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yaboycm
03-09-2005, 06:29 PM
Has anyone heard anything about retaining Corey SADford? I hope that Casserly has the sense not to retain this sad sack. He has constantly underachieved while he has been with the Texans.

Year 1 - Terrible #1 Receiver
Year 2 - Lost starting spot to Gaffney
Year 3 - Ranked fourth on the team in WR catches. Armstrong, the 4th receiver on the depth chart, had more catches and yards than Bradford.
Year 4 - ADIOS Corey. Go somewhere else and steal money.

ALL SADFORD DID WAS DROP EASY BALLS and make 1 or 2 catches a year where you said, "was that really Bradford who caught that ball?"

The guy is terrible, get him off the team.

In my ideal situation we would trade up to take Mike Williams. I think he is a very special player and would compliment Johnson very well. They are both deep threats who can also run crossing routes, posts, and outs. Then you have Miller going across the middle, Davis up the middle and in the flat, and Gaffney running short possession routes. Our offense would be scary. Not only would we rack up yards like early in the year last year, but assuming Palmer calls the right plays, which is a BIG assumption, we would put it in the end zone. Did people forget what Mike Williams did in college? The guy dominated. Week after week he was one of the best WRs in college football. In an era where cornerbacks are dominated by 5'11" speed guys, it would be sacry throwing jump balls and deep balls to a 6'3" Johnson and 6'5" Williams who would be covered by 5'11" corners. The Colts could no longer focus on taking Johnson out of the game and making the rest of the receivers beat them. If they want to continue to roll a safety over to help the corner on Johnson, I'll take Williams one on one all day and Gaffney one on one on the 3rd corner all day. Then go hit Miller or Davis if a linebacker covers them.

Casserly - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT GO AFTER ANOTHER TIGHT END THIS OFFSEASON EITHER VIA THE DRAFT OR FREE AGENCY OR WHATEVER WAY YOU CAN THINK OF TO PICK UP A TIGHT END LIKE OFF THE STREETS A LA THE EAGLES.

ALSO, GET BILLY MILLER THE BALL. ALL HE DOES IS MAKE PLAYS. WE NEED TO GET HIM IN THE GAME, CALL PLAYS FOR HIM AND THROW HIM THE BALL.

Hervoyel
03-09-2005, 10:18 PM
Corey Bradford is what he is, I don't see any reason to mock him over this. He did well here within the limits of his talent and made some big plays which is what you get with Corey Bradford. Some big plays along with a few heartbreaking drops every year. You make out like he's the Matt Stevens of the offense or something and signing him was a bad idea. That's just not the case.

It's not like there was a line of free agent HOF recievers a mile long trying to get on the Texans roster in 2002 and they wanted to come here so bad they'd play for the minimum just to be on that new team in Houston. Right now the Texans look pretty good at WR but put it in context man. In 2002 Bradford was the best WR we had. I think the only one left from that year now is Gaffney (could be wrong about that) and he was a rookie. We were so hard up for WR talent that we even tried to get Jermaine Lewis to catch a pass and he was terrible.

Ease up on Bradford. No I don't think the Texans need to re-sign him but show some respect for the plays he made here and his contribution to getting the Texans off the ground. Say goodbye to him and wish him well, unless he's playing the Texans.

Fiddy
03-09-2005, 10:28 PM
ALL SADFORD DID WAS DROP EASY BALLS and make 1 or 2 catches a year where you said, "was that really Bradford who caught that ball?"Cak posted this is another thread and I am going to steal it: Bradford had 1, yes ONE, drop last year.

This "Bradford drops everything" isnt correct.

infantrycak
03-09-2005, 10:45 PM
Cak posted this is another thread and I am going to steal it: Bradford had 1, yes ONE, drop last year.

This "Bradford drops everything" isnt correct.

Thanks Fiddy. To be specific, Bradford had 4 drops in 106 targets in the last 2 years. Look around the league at the top guys and you will find 6-8% drops is good.

It is two years past 2002 now folks. Drops are not the reason to cap on Bradford. Running good routes, getting open, winning Carr's trust--we can talk about those, but *****ing about his drops as any kind of recent news is ignorant.

TexansTrueFan
03-09-2005, 11:19 PM
ya know if not for bradford in 02 we wouldnt of had any kind of passing game. I dont see why you people like to hate on him so much ! And they ^^ are correct he dont drop near as many passes as some claim !

rittenhouserobz
03-10-2005, 06:31 AM
Remember Bradford was on the recieving end of a football that beat the Cowboys. I will always have a little place in my heart for that player.

dirty steve
03-10-2005, 06:57 PM
no reason to hate, maybe it is just a situation where he can sign with a team that is OK with him running straight lines.

Joebert
03-10-2005, 10:29 PM
Aren't we going to miss him?

Anishin
03-10-2005, 11:17 PM
Year 3 - Ranked fourth on the team in WR catches. Armstrong, the 4th receiver on the depth chart, had more catches and yards than Bradford.


Was it just me, or did Armstrong impress the hell out of anybody else last year. Good hands, attacks the ball instead of just letting it get to him. I'm not sure he's a #2, or at least our #2, but I do want to see the ball in his hands some more.

EDIT: Sorry Mooney, didn't read through all the posts like I should have.

TexansTrueFan
03-11-2005, 12:15 AM
does armstrong really have the speed we need to be our number 2 guy ?? He looks kinda slow to me !

Holden135
03-11-2005, 12:29 AM
Armstrong had a decent year but i look for gaffney to have a bit of a break through year. He had his best season as a texan last year. It seemed like he had at least 2 or 3 catches a game in the 10-20 yard range which is big because we dont really have anyone who makes plays in that area. Don't get me wrong im not taking anything away from Dre but the way he has been used is by going deep with him or throwing those short passes to him and letting him run a few guys over. With Gaffney in there he tends to spread the field a little more.

If we can get another wr through the draft(like our second round pick which is still a good time to get a solid wr) along with our utilization of davis out of the back feild i think we can have a big year through the air. That is of course if Carr isnt on his back all game long.

Dionysus22
03-11-2005, 12:54 AM
Has anyone heard anything about retaining Corey SADford? I hope that Casserly has the sense not to retain this sad sack. He has constantly underachieved while he has been with the Texans.

Year 1 - Terrible #1 Receiver
Year 2 - Lost starting spot to Gaffney
Year 3 - Ranked fourth on the team in WR catches. Armstrong, the 4th receiver on the depth chart, had more catches and yards than Bradford.
Year 4 - ADIOS Corey. Go somewhere else and steal money.

ALL SADFORD DID WAS DROP EASY BALLS and make 1 or 2 catches a year where you said, "was that really Bradford who caught that ball?"

The guy is terrible, get him off the team.

In my ideal situation we would trade up to take Mike Williams. I think he is a very special player and would compliment Johnson very well. They are both deep threats who can also run crossing routes, posts, and outs. Then you have Miller going across the middle, Davis up the middle and in the flat, and Gaffney running short possession routes. Our offense would be scary. Not only would we rack up yards like early in the year last year, but assuming Palmer calls the right plays, which is a BIG assumption, we would put it in the end zone. Did people forget what Mike Williams did in college? The guy dominated. Week after week he was one of the best WRs in college football. In an era where cornerbacks are dominated by 5'11" speed guys, it would be sacry throwing jump balls and deep balls to a 6'3" Johnson and 6'5" Williams who would be covered by 5'11" corners. The Colts could no longer focus on taking Johnson out of the game and making the rest of the receivers beat them. If they want to continue to roll a safety over to help the corner on Johnson, I'll take Williams one on one all day and Gaffney one on one on the 3rd corner all day. Then go hit Miller or Davis if a linebacker covers them.

Casserly - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT GO AFTER ANOTHER TIGHT END THIS OFFSEASON EITHER VIA THE DRAFT OR FREE AGENCY OR WHATEVER WAY YOU CAN THINK OF TO PICK UP A TIGHT END LIKE OFF THE STREETS A LA THE EAGLES.

ALSO, GET BILLY MILLER THE BALL. ALL HE DOES IS MAKE PLAYS. WE NEED TO GET HIM IN THE GAME, CALL PLAYS FOR HIM AND THROW HIM THE BALL.
All of this would be great but how can you get the ball to all of these people when Carr only has 2.5 seconds to throw the ball. It's a nice thought but we gotta beef up the front line first.

THEFUTURE
03-11-2005, 01:06 AM
it has been said numerous times, armstrong and gaffney are slot receivers, they both are good route runners and know how to pick apart zones, but being a #2 is diff. they need above avg speed, need to seperate themselves from the corners when they are covered in man to man, they are simply just a classic #3 slot receiver, with a lot of smarts, and knows how to take what the defense gives, sit in holes in zones... so its really either starling comes out of no where to be a number 2, or we sign a number 2, or we draft a number 2... i say we draft Mike Williams, i think he has more talent then anyone we could sign, and starling does have talent, but Williams was a top 5 pick if he was allowed to enter the draft last year

THEFUTURE
03-11-2005, 01:08 AM
but we wont need to trade up to get mike, he will be there at 13

rittenhouserobz
03-11-2005, 06:32 AM
Mike is going to be picked in the top 5. Did you read about his workout in Tampa? The Bucs, Bears, and Vikings are interested and have the leverage to get him. So quit thinking that the Texans will get him I just hope that by a miracle DJ drops to us so losing Sharper is not so bad.

Joebert
03-11-2005, 03:35 PM
He was the deep threat.

texan279
03-11-2005, 04:20 PM
I am not trying to defend Bradford here, but a lot of people have been talking about how he did not produce last season, it seems a lot of people forget what David Carr's pattern was last season. It went something like this, option #1 was AJ, AJ's not open look to Domanick, Domanick's not open scramble until sacked with a few passes to Gaff mixed in.

powda
03-11-2005, 04:29 PM
not to be confused with bradford's pattern:

step 1
run route (bad route)

step 2
get absolutley no seperation.

step 3
on the rare occasion you do get seperation and the ball is thrown your way : drop the freaking pass!

step 4
complain to the media about a lack of oppurtunities.

(repeat the process all while being severly overpaid...)

dont let the door hit you on your way out.

texan279
03-11-2005, 04:31 PM
Bradford had one drop last season....and another interesting stat about Bradford, in the threee seasons he has been with us he has never fumbled once...

nunusguy
03-11-2005, 04:39 PM
Bradford is a Burner - he can fly and because of that was a big time playmaker for us in some games. Besides the Cowboys game, he hit a big Home Run in the season opener last year against Miami. But he was very
inconsistant and certainly dropped far too many balls.
I feel comfortable with out wide receivers - with or without Bradford. Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to upgrade #2 to someone like this Williamson kid from S.Carolina, but the thing I'm anxious about in out passing game is TE. Hope Joppru gets it done this year, but if he can't they need a plan B.
That's the big ? mark in our passing game, that and the pass protection for
DC.

powda
03-11-2005, 04:40 PM
Bradford had one drop last season.....


righttttttttt.....(heavy on the "dr evil" acccent)


you cant possibly be arguing bradford has good hands.

TEXANS84
03-11-2005, 04:41 PM
-- Bradford to Visit Giants --
Fri Mar 11, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com

The Star Ledger reports free-agent WR Corey Bradford (Texans) is scheduled to visit the Giants this weekend.

texan279
03-11-2005, 04:43 PM
you cant possibly be arguing bradford has good hands.

Read up near the top of this post, Infantrycak and Fiddy posted that Bradford had 1 drop last season and 3 drops the season before that, that is 4 drops in the last 2 seasons...

powda
03-11-2005, 04:58 PM
provide a link on the number of drops or dont....but who determines what is a drop? some judge makes a ruling somewhere from across the field and decides what was catchable and what isnt? youve gotta be kidding me. perhaps if bradford ran better routes he'd be in a postion to have more drops. perhaps if he got enough seperation to keep a cb from knocking down a pass he'd have more drops. perhaps. but dont tell me bradford has good hands. recite whatever stat you like ,but you and i both know thats a load of ****.

furthermore.....dave ragone is a great quarterback because he didnt throw a single interception last year...and i'd like to brag just a bit because....i can say the same. yup! you guessed it...i didnt throw one. and for the record....i didnt have a drop either.

:heh:

TEXANS84
03-11-2005, 05:01 PM
Read up near the top of this post, Infantrycak and Fiddy posted that Bradford had 1 drop last season and 3 drops the season before that, that is 4 drops in the last 2 seasons...

And, never fumbled.

texan279
03-11-2005, 05:04 PM
I told you where I got the info on the drops. Like I said earlier, I wasn't defending Bradford, I am just saying most of the people here are trying to make it out like Bradford is such a horrible WR, but the fact is the ball did not get thrown his way much at all last season for 2 reasons, AJ and Carr not having enough time.

powda
03-11-2005, 05:11 PM
I am just saying most of the people here are trying to make it out like Bradford is such a horrible WR, but the fact is the ball did not get thrown his way much at all last season for 2 reasons, AJ and Carr not having enough time.

ahhhhh but there are more reasons. you dont get open, you dont get the ball thrown your way...and that has 2 very diffrent results wich can be skewed however you like.

result 1 : very few drops.

result 2 : very few catches, very few yards, very few touchdowns, very little chance of signing a contract like the one he was on.

bradford was overpaid and under productive. for having only "1 drop" last season and such great hands you'd think all 32 teams would be in a hurry to get him. but theyre not. i wonder why.

texan279
03-11-2005, 05:14 PM
Well he has visited with 3 teams in the last 2 days and like I posted earlier in this post, Carr looked to Aj first, then Domanick and by the time he got through looking for Domanick he was out of time/sacked. And you think Bradford was overpaid last season, you do realize that Gary Walker made $7.7 million last season, which is more than 3 times more than what Bradofrd made at $2.2 million and what did Walker do last season, he had 18 tackles and 0.5 sacks...

infantrycak
03-11-2005, 05:18 PM
provide a link on the number of drops or dont....but who determines what is a drop?

The stats come from the Stats, Inc. web-site. They have an explanation for the review process. Whatever the review process is is almost irrelevant so long as it is consistantly applied to all WR's. Using their standards the last two years Bradford has had a very low drop rate--4 drops on 116 targets or about 3%. Most of the "top" WR's in the NFL have drop rates of 7-9% of targets. People see what they want to see. Bradford dropped some critical passes in 2002 so he became known as having miserable hands. The past two years should have earned his way out of that description--still doesn't make him a great WR--just a WR with other primary failings.

AJ by the way also went from a little higher than average to significantly lower than average drop rate from 2003 to 2004.

Here is the Link (http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/index.asp) to Stats, Inc. They also have stats on sacks given up, penalties by OLmen and a breakdown for QB incompletions by things such as bad throw, batted down, pass defended, etc.

powda
03-11-2005, 05:22 PM
279 i dont mean to rag on ya...and i do think under diffrent circumstances bradford couldve put up better numbers then he did. but when i think of recievers around the league who have good hands....bradford isnt remotely close. ive watched him long enough....and im not impressed.

in addition to being unproductive hes also taken playing time and oppurtunities away from players like gaffney and armstrong. when you consider what his cap numbers were bradford's had a very negative impact on this team after the first season (when out of desperation we had no choice).

i have no sympathy for him and im glad to see him go.

and bringing up walker isnt relevant. i think hes over paid and underperforming as well. there are ample post previous to this one wich record me with the same sentiment.

texan279
03-11-2005, 05:24 PM
I think if he was only here here "out of desperation because we had no choice" in the first season, why was he not unloaded after the 2002 season? And I know you don't mean to rag on me, we are discussing a topic which is what the MB is for.

powda
03-11-2005, 05:53 PM
"out of desperation" was we had no alternative. i think that was the only year he did any real good for our team. since then as i said hes had a negative impact on our team in a number of ways. he wasnt dumped because of depth and the hope that he might actually earn some of his check. he didnt earn it and now its time to "re-up" his contract. i find it amazing that a texan fan defend him from another texans fan. (if a cowboys fan told me he sucked i'd probably do my best to prove him wrong :) ).

like i said im glad hes done here. i think the three teams u mention waited till now to invite bradford for a couple of reasons...

1. they were after other recievers who have signed with other teams.

2. maybe it took bradford this long to realize his value and stop asking for so much money.

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intresting site cak nodoubt. but many of those arent exactly offical stats ,and i guarantee when the negotiating starts teams will not be going by that drop stat. (by the way what i saw showed him having 3 drops this season at the bottom of the page.)

texan279
03-11-2005, 06:06 PM
Like I said when I started posting in this thread, I AM NOT defending Bradford, I just do not think we can blame him 100% for his lack of production.

powda
03-11-2005, 06:22 PM
I AM NOT defending Bradford, I just do not think we can blame him 100% for his lack of production.

i'll agree to that. compromise reached.

texan279
03-11-2005, 06:24 PM
i'll agree to that. compromise reached

Sounds good to me... :thumbup

powda
03-11-2005, 06:32 PM
how bout 98% ? :D

Anishin
03-11-2005, 06:45 PM
I really like what Mike Williams can do, but I'll be happy with Gaffney and Armstrong if he's not there. Once the O line gets a little better I think we'll really see the affects AJ has, Jabar and Derrick always seeing single coverage will have a big payoff.

I know just cause somebody was good in college doesn't mean they will even make it in the pros. Being here in Cali I got to see Williams play a bit, he was so difficult to cover he reminds me of Herman Moore(in his prime, I got no idea WTF went wrong with him). He catches the ball away from his body almost every single time too. :thumbup

Texan Gal 312
03-11-2005, 10:20 PM
Saw Bradford at the airport this evening coming back from somewhere (?) -
The kids heard him make the comment he probably would not be a Texan much longer.
Should be on the news tonight.

sboydr
03-15-2005, 08:42 AM
Starling will see alot of playing time this year. I think he will prove himself and take that #2 or #3 spot. He has absolutely blazing speed and good hands but I think was just a little overwhelmed in his rookie season. Now with a year under his belt I predict that he will surprise some people.

Vinny
03-15-2005, 11:27 AM
I think Starling is a real sleeper as our outside speed guy in the next two years. Gaffney and Armstrong are ideal in the slot and Starling has ideal tools to strech the field on the outside opposite of AJ.

texansfan88
03-15-2005, 07:16 PM
any more news on bradford?

TEXANS84
03-18-2005, 05:52 PM
-- Lions Waiting on Bradford --
Fri Mar 18, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com

Mlive.com reports only one spot remains on Detroit's free-agent wish list: the No. 3 wide receiver position. That's where free-agent WR Corey Bradford (Texans) comes in. After four years in primarily a backup role with the Green Bay Packers, Bradford started 32 games for the Houston Texans over the last three years. His best season was his first one in Houston when he had 45 catches for 697 yards and six touchdowns. He visited the Lions, but the team has been unable to sign him.

BigDTexansFan
03-19-2005, 03:29 PM
Remember Bradford was on the recieving end of a football that beat the Cowboys. I will always have a little place in my heart for that player.


HEAR HEAR!!!!!!!!! But truthfully Dallas will have as much chance with players they are signing as you will of getting FREE Girl Scout cookies.

I think Bradford was never meant to be #1 but was a slot receiver who if noit main focus of offense can make things happen