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JWarren14
04-26-2010, 06:13 PM
I remember last year Andre was pretty sub-par at KR last year, the year before he had a solid year. With Holiday being brought in, I could see Andre losing out that battle. Holiday presents more of a threat, at least compared to last year's version of AD.

At WR, Jacoby is progressing, Walter battled some injury issues last year but will be back to 100% this year, and I think Dickerson will win a roster spot. Dorin is fast, physical, and should be hungry to make a name for himself after dropping to 7th in a draft where a large number of TEs were taken, even though he isn't a true TE.

So what do you think Andre's odds are at making the squad? If Andre makes it who is the odd man out? What's your order of WRs?

gary
04-26-2010, 06:26 PM
Just like anyone else if he has better camp than any of the others listed above he will make the team. That being said, here is my 2010 WR outlook.
1. A.J.
2. K.W.
3. J.J.
4. Dickerson
5. D.A.

IBleedTexans
04-26-2010, 06:42 PM
Just like anyone else if he has better camp than any of the others listed above he will make the team. That being said, here is my 2010 WR outlook.
1. A.J.
2. K.W.
3. J.J.
4. Dickerson
5. D.A.

I tend to think jj will beat out K W for number two WR . If he cant do it in training camp then , i guess ill have to eat crow for thinking K W, walking was a good thing.

gary
04-26-2010, 06:46 PM
I tend to think jj will beat out K W for number two WR . If he cant do it in training camp then , i guess ill have to eat crow for thinking K W, walking was a good thing.Maybe you're right but that was not in any certain order.

Carr Bombed
04-26-2010, 06:48 PM
Just like anyone else if he has better camp than any of the others listed above he will make the team. That being said, here is my 2010 WR outlook.
1. A.J.
2. K.W.
3. J.J.
4. Dickerson
5. D.A.

Where does this leave Holliday or are we going to carry 6 WRs?

JB
04-26-2010, 06:50 PM
Where does this leave Holliday or are we going to carry 6 WRs?

Holliday will be a specialist KR/PR

Carr Bombed
04-26-2010, 06:59 PM
Holliday will be a specialist KR/PR

But what is he going to be labeled on the depth chart as? Even JJ Moses was listed as a WR.

JWarren14
04-26-2010, 07:00 PM
Let's put him as OT just for the hell of it

eriadoc
04-26-2010, 07:03 PM
but what is he going to be labeled on the depth chart as? Even jj moses was listed as a wr.

Tight End!!

And seriously, kill the caps filter, mods. It freakin' sucks. Some of us would like to type a capital T adjacent to a capital E.

gary
04-26-2010, 07:04 PM
Where does this leave Holliday or are we going to carry 6 WRs?Maybe they will.

JB
04-26-2010, 07:31 PM
But what is he going to be labeled on the depth chart as? Even JJ Moses was listed as a WR.

I think this year they will have him listed on the depth chart first string KOR and first string PR. On the roster this may be the first year we see KR/PR

gtexan02
04-26-2010, 09:35 PM
TE testing :)

El Tejano
04-27-2010, 09:52 AM
I believe the drafting of Dorin Dickerson and Holliday it really puts Andre Davis and David Anderson on the bubble. Holliday to me is the interesting one in all this. Kubiak stated that this is a player who can help us in the return game, line up in the slot or even line up in the backfield as a tailback. This means he provides more versatility than Davis and Anderson. Having a true PR/KR also helps the Jacoby Jones project as now Jacoby gets to concentrate on being a WR and we all saw what he can do to our offense if he's concentrating on being a WR. It also means we can not have to worry about going to cardiac arrest when Jacoby goes back to catch a punt.

The fact that Dickerson is a bigger WR also puts Davis and Anderson on the bubble too because Dickerson is going to be one of those guys we use in the redzone. Anderson doesn't help us a whole lot in the redzone and Davis hasn't been that great there either.

I'd hate to lose guys like Davis and Anderson because they've proven to be helpful. Davis did great when Andre went down, and Anderson did too. Anderson is also a great locker room kind of guy. However, if our strength is going to be our passing game, our WR outside of Andre Johnson have got to be challenged all the time.

JB
04-27-2010, 09:57 AM
I believe the drafting of Dorin Dickerson and Holliday it really puts Andre Davis and David Anderson on the bubble. Holliday to me is the interesting one in all this. Kubiak stated that this is a player who can help us in the return game, line up in the slot or even line up in the backfield as a tailback. This means he provides more versatility than Davis and Anderson. Having a true PR/KR also helps the Jacoby Jones project as now Jacoby gets to concentrate on being a WR and we all saw what he can do to our offense if he's concentrating on being a WR. It also means we can not have to worry about going to cardiac arrest when Jacoby goes back to catch a punt.

The fact that Dickerson is a bigger WR also puts Davis and Anderson on the bubble too because Dickerson is going to be one of those guys we use in the redzone. Anderson doesn't help us a whole lot in the redzone and Davis hasn't been that great there either.

I'd hate to lose guys like Davis and Anderson because they've proven to be helpful. Davis did great when Andre went down, and Anderson did too. Anderson is also a great locker room kind of guy. However, if our strength is going to be our passing game, our WR outside of Andre Johnson have got to be challenged all the time.


I don't think Anderson is on the bubble at all. Davis yes, but he was on the bubble anyway. But neither of these guys will be in Anderson's role.

HOU-TEX
04-27-2010, 10:02 AM
But what is he going to be labeled on the depth chart as? Even JJ Moses was listed as a WR.

Kubiak mentioned him at RB....and certain WR positions. So who knows at this point. I reckon he'll be listed as a back, but might play the slot a time or few. I just hope he works out, the dude's like one of those waterbugs when he has the ball in his hands.

(on what fit RS Trindon Holliday will be for the Texans) "We think we have a returner that can change the field for us. As punt and kick returner we think he could do wonders for our football team. I think we could teach him the back position and certain wide out positions."

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6133

I think Davis is a goner. He looked skittish on kick returns last season. He was afraid to take the big hit!

El Tejano
04-27-2010, 12:04 PM
I don't think Anderson is on the bubble at all. Davis yes, but he was on the bubble anyway. But neither of these guys will be in Anderson's role.

Short receiver lined up in the slot?:thinking: That sounds like Anderson's role to me.

I guess if they are going to make him a RB he will not threaten Anderson but I'm thinking they are going to put him at WR.

He could be like this guy which wouldn't be too bad:

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JB
04-27-2010, 12:15 PM
Short receiver lined up in the slot?:thinking: That sounds like Anderson's role to me.

I guess if they are going to make him a RB he will not threaten Anderson but I'm thinking they are going to put him at WR.

He could be like this guy which wouldn't be too bad:

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Sorry, pic not work...

He may very well get a few snaps at slot. I just don't think he will get a lot this year. DA will be the primary slot reciever, but just like last year occasionally AJ or KW or a back will be there.

I am trying to say that DA's roster spot is not in jeopardy for this year unless something dramatic happens. Long term...?

Corrosion
04-27-2010, 12:17 PM
I don't think Anderson is on the bubble at all. Davis yes, but he was on the bubble anyway. But neither of these guys will be in Anderson's role.

Andersen is a first down machine (between the 20's). I dont see him as being on the bubble at all - Although I do see Andre' Davis and Glenn Martinez being behind the 8ball.

Jackie Chiles
04-27-2010, 01:03 PM
I think Davis is a goner. He looked skittish on kick returns last season. He was afraid to take the big hit!

That is exactly what I saw last season as well. He decelerated when he saw contact coming and by the time it got there he was well on his way down. This is a spot where we can easily upgrade our physicality/toughness just by removing a player. If you go back and watch the games again it seems like his weak returns set the tone early in some of our games. That's on the offense too, but getting rid of him is a no brainer for me.

Ole Miss Texan
04-27-2010, 01:08 PM
Andre Davis was the first on my list to get cut this offseason. His salary compared to what we're getting in return is awful and there will be no effect to the salary cap (non existent). I suspect he'll be part of the team over the next few months and through camp but will get released fairly early. Kubiak tends to let veterans go early out of respect so they have a better chance of landing on another team. Davis seems to be a quality guy and I wish him the best.... just know if he plays against us this season, Kareem Jackson will shut him down.

Rey
04-27-2010, 01:16 PM
If we lose Davis I would not be upset at all...It's about that time...

TimeKiller
04-27-2010, 01:38 PM
Davis' 2010 Outlook? Not pretty. It'll take about a 30 yard return complete with one juke attempt to unseat him. I'm guessing Holliday is up for it.

Dickerson as a WR and Holliday returning all kicks pretty well sing the song. Holliday can be listed at back but that probably means the end of Foster or more likely: Moats.

Don't know if Anderson is on the bubble. There was talk of trading him before, maybe Dickerson is also insurance for that. DA is a solid player and guy but he's maxed out. A guy like Dickerson has more upside on size/speed alone. Heaven help me with a TE moving to WR and KW on the roster if I see DA in the slot motion toward the line and end up as a blocker anymore. Not even cutting just trying to stand up a Dend. Ugh I should stop talking about that before I start setting fires...

JWarren14
04-27-2010, 02:59 PM
Any trade value for AD or DA? Maybe get a young player at a need position, or at least get a pick in next year's draft.

Jackie Chiles
04-27-2010, 03:03 PM
Any trade value for AD or DA? Maybe get a young player at a need position, or at least get a pick in next year's draft.

DA isn't going anywhere and we couldn't give AD away with his contract.

ObsiWan
04-27-2010, 09:18 PM
Baring injury, Dickerson is the the #2 WR by 2011.
Write it down.

ObsiWan
04-27-2010, 09:24 PM
DA isn't going anywhere and we couldn't give AD away with his contract.

AD signed for $16 Mil (8 guaranteed) in Feb, 2008. Anyone know if that was front-end or back-end loaded? Basically, how much of the guaranteed part is left to pay?

gary
04-28-2010, 05:18 PM
Was Davis used much last season? I do not remember.

The Pencil Neck
04-28-2010, 05:36 PM
Was Davis used much last season? I do not remember.

He only caught 6 passes for 59 yards. That's 11th on our team in receptions and 13th in yards. Foster had more yards and catches. Casey had more yards and the same number of catches.

gary
04-28-2010, 06:22 PM
Why do you think that was?

dtran04
04-28-2010, 07:31 PM
Why do you think that was?

None of the WRs were injured last year. He also plays AJs spot in the offense, which means he has no shot unless AJ takes a breather for a play or two.

gary
04-28-2010, 07:36 PM
Oh, so by having AJ on the team we really have not seen Davis much recently I am just saying.

The Pencil Neck
04-28-2010, 10:47 PM
Why do you think that was?

It used to be that AD would come in and play opposite AJ when they wanted speed on both sides. But last year, it seemed to me that spot started going to JJ. I don't know if AD was injured or not but he just didn't get the looks.

BUT... the previous year, he only got 13 receptions. So it's not like it's a huge drop off. But even with 13 receptions he finished 6th in receptions. We completed 367 passes that year.

We completed 399 passes this year. 13 receptions this year would only have landed him at the 10 spot this year (tied with Ryan Moats).

So, I think we're just seeing other guys develop and grow. And with Owen's injury, Dreessen got a lot more receptions.

JB
04-28-2010, 11:15 PM
It used to be that AD would come in and play opposite AJ when they wanted speed on both sides. But last year, it seemed to me that spot started going to JJ. I don't know if AD was injured or not but he just didn't get the looks.

BUT... the previous year, he only got 13 receptions. So it's not like it's a huge drop off. But even with 13 receptions he finished 6th in receptions. We completed 367 passes that year.

We completed 399 passes this year. 13 receptions this year would only have landed him at the 10 spot this year (tied with Ryan Moats).

So, I think we're just seeing other guys develop and grow. And with Owen's injury, Dreessen got a lot more receptions.

And AD just cannot run a route other than a GO or maybe a deep post

Mari-OWNED!
04-29-2010, 01:12 AM
AD signed for $16 Mil (8 guaranteed) in Feb, 2008. Anyone know if that was front-end or back-end loaded? Basically, how much of the guaranteed part is left to pay?

He is due $2.55 million in 2010, and then $4.7 million in 2011.

Source: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2605

TimeKiller
04-29-2010, 09:15 AM
I don't know if AD was injured or not but he just didn't get the looks.
.

He had the thumb issue, I remember.

He also got cracked pretty hard one time and I think that's where his timidness on returns came from. Can't remember, I don't think he had a concussion from it but he was shaken from it.

rush2112mn
04-29-2010, 09:22 AM
I think Andre Davis is on the hot seat.
I think Andre Davis did not have a good year last year returning kicks......
I see Jacoby having another good year this year and hopefully he has grown out of his maturity issues...(cross my fingers).

David Anderson and Martinez are two others who could be close to the hotseat too.....

badboy
04-29-2010, 01:39 PM
AJ is a lock, everyone else has to make the team. If Andre goes down Davis was the back up but JJ should get that role this season.

ObsiWan
04-29-2010, 02:16 PM
It used to be that AD would come in and play opposite AJ when they wanted speed on both sides. But last year, it seemed to me that spot started going to JJ. I don't know if AD was injured or not but he just didn't get the looks.

BUT... the previous year, he only got 13 receptions. So it's not like it's a huge drop off. But even with 13 receptions he finished 6th in receptions. We completed 367 passes that year.

We completed 399 passes this year. 13 receptions this year would only have landed him at the 10 spot this year (tied with Ryan Moats).

So, I think we're just seeing other guys develop and grow. And with Owen's injury, Dreessen got a lot more receptions.
But those instances were few and far between. If Walter is healthy he's always the #2 guy. Kubiak said as much in an presser last year, that A.D. just doesn't get game reps because The Beast just won't come off the field.