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ArlingtonTexan
04-24-2010, 03:10 PM
Guessing this one won't go over well, but he is probably a true best athlete available. Note: Kibiak at his pree conference said that Dickerson is a WR for the Texans

c10x
04-24-2010, 03:10 PM
Wow. Another TE.

c10x
04-24-2010, 03:10 PM
Definitely don't like that pick.

gtexan02
04-24-2010, 03:11 PM
lol, another TE.

Totally a BPA pick. This guy was rated as a 2-3 round grade.

I guess OD better work hard this season, or he's gone

stingray
04-24-2010, 03:12 PM
Good pick, he was supposed to go in the second round.

Esoom
04-24-2010, 03:12 PM
He's a good TE, but I just don't even know what's going on anymore...

valleytexfan
04-24-2010, 03:12 PM
I knew a lot of people would hate, but this was strictly a BPA pick...with Hill's status uncertain, who knows?

sometexansfan
04-24-2010, 03:12 PM
We now have 7 TE's. Guess we will unleash our new 5 TE set upon the NFL this season.

bckey
04-24-2010, 03:13 PM
It is evident that the Texans are concerned about their te situation. With all the injuries and the way nobody really stepped up after Owen Daniels went down I think they want to be sure they are covered. No way we draft 2 tight ends and sign a te free agent if there wasn't a major concern. I think more information will be coming post draft about the te situation.

Dutchrudder
04-24-2010, 03:13 PM
Yay another Tight End! Maybe this year we will move to a two TE set.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 03:14 PM
We have become the Detroit Lions of TEs. Great athlete, and may be BPA, but how the hell are we going to stash OD, Leach, Dresson, Hill, Casey, Graham and Dickerson on the roster? That is 7 guys that are TE/FB. Can we really devote that many roster spots to those two positions? Most teams go with one FB, 2 TE, and one guy that is a mix (if I am thinking correctly. Correct me if I am wrong). Where are we going to cut people?

Wolf
04-24-2010, 03:15 PM
I thought it was funny

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 03:15 PM
THIS KID IS A WEAPON and is more of an H-back, he's too small for the line of schrimmage. Consider him a FB not a TE, so the "not another TE" crowd can go back to their Mel Kiper Draft Guide.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 03:15 PM
We may deal someone.

OR.

Our coaching staff things one or two of our guys are not going to play any more.

mariowillshine15
04-24-2010, 03:15 PM
I like the pick from a talent standpoint.

I think he plays FB/H-back.

texasguy346
04-24-2010, 03:15 PM
Good value for a 7th round pick, but it certainly seems like a BPA pick. I have a hard time seeing how he'll fit on this team since he's undersized for a TE, but I guess we'll see how it plays out.

Wolf
04-24-2010, 03:19 PM
We may deal someone.

OR.

Our coaching staff things one or two of our guys are not going to play any more.

I was thinking that too

gtexan02
04-24-2010, 03:20 PM
THIS KID IS A WEAPON and is more of an H-back, he's too small for the line of schrimmage. Consider him a FB not a TE, so the "not another TE" crowd can go back to their Mel Kiper Draft Guide.

Actually, Kiper was the one who said that he didn't even list a position for DIckerson because he doesn't know where he'll fit in

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 03:20 PM
Should make for a spirited training camp battle....

I think we're trying to figure out a way to score in the redzone this year.

Thinking out loud: Our personnel allows us to split TEs out at WR if we would like which gives us favorable run blocking matchups. Plus we still have the ability to throw the ball around because all our TEs (except for Hill) are exceptional WRs.

Throw in Tate and I think we're gonna be finishing a lot more drives with tds this season.

I'm not upset with these picks because these guys are clearly good players. I'm just interested to see how we use these weapons.

I am intrigued with this TE situation to say the least!!!*

*If we even have him playing TE!!!

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 03:20 PM
The Texans carry 2 full backs, consider Dickerson the 2nd FB. This kid is has freak measurables for an h-back. Can't wait to see how the offense utilizes him.

bckey
04-24-2010, 03:21 PM
THIS KID IS A WEAPON and is more of an H-back, he's too small for the line of schrimmage. Consider him a FB not a TE, so the "not another TE" crowd can go back to their Mel Kiper Draft Guide.

You sure like to hurl insults. Get over yourself already.

valleytexfan
04-24-2010, 03:25 PM
Last year we had four TEs (OD, Dreesen, Casey, Hill)

Next year, we'll have four TEs (OD, Dreesen, Casey, Graham/Dickerson)

Perhaps Dickerson at H-back/fullback type like mentioned above. Just because we have 6-7 TEs now doesn't mean they'll all be there come Sept. JMO

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 03:26 PM
awesome value. people will ***** cos hes a TE but he can be anything we want him to be with his athleticism and should be a RZ threat based on last yr

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 03:27 PM
Last year we had four TEs (OD, Dreesen, Casey, Hill)

Next year, we'll have four TEs (OD, Dreesen, Casey, Graham/Dickerson)

Perhaps Dickerson at H-back/fullback type like mentioned above. Just because we have 6-7 TEs now doesn't mean they'll all be there come Sept. JMO

So one of the players we drafted this year gets cut? Waste of a pick. And I hope you are putting Hill on the IR, because he is the best blocking TE out of the bunch.

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 03:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9fZQpuoJ_Q

JCTexan
04-24-2010, 03:29 PM
We have become the Detroit Lions of TEs. Great athlete, and may be BPA, but how the hell are we going to stash OD, Leach, Dresson, Hill, Casey, Graham and Dickerson on the roster? That is 7 guys that are TE/FB. Can we really devote that many roster spots to those two positions? Most teams go with one FB, 2 TE, and one guy that is a mix (if I am thinking correctly. Correct me if I am wrong). Where are we going to cut people?

I don't know how they are going to put 7 TE's on the roster. That is going to be one hell of a battle for those TE spots. Is paying OD top money even an option with that many TE's on the roster?

The Texans carry 2 full backs, consider Dickerson the 2nd FB. This kid is has freak measurables for an h-back. Can't wait to see how the offense utilizes him.

Wasn't Casey considered to be the 2nd FB? Somebody out of that group is definitely getting cut or traded.

valleytexfan
04-24-2010, 03:30 PM
So one of the players we drafted this year gets cut? Waste of a pick. And I hope you are putting Hill on the IR, because he is the best blocking TE out of the bunch.

If Dickerson's the second FB, then perhaps Graham stays.

And yes, I'm not sure about Hill's injury sitch, so I'm guessing IR or PUP.

rollinstone18
04-24-2010, 03:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9fZQpuoJ_Q

definitely does not look like a tight end. looks more like david anderson will have some competition.

texasguy346
04-24-2010, 03:31 PM
The more I think about it the more I think Dickerson might be used as a slot WR. If that is the way the Texans envision using him then I can see him making this team.

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 03:33 PM
Maddict beat me to it.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 03:33 PM
Dickerson tried out as a WR at the Senior Bowl.

He becomes a WR who plays ST and takes Glenn Martinez' spot.

Our TE's are: OD, Dreessen, Hill, and Graham. With HILL possibly on IR.

FB: Leach and Casey.

WR: AJ, KW, DA, JJ, Dorin Dickerson, TH, and possibly AD. TH becomes a KR/WR.

checo446
04-24-2010, 03:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9fZQpuoJ_Q

Watching that video, he kind of reminds me of a poor man's Dustin Keller.

TexanBacker93
04-24-2010, 03:35 PM
If Hill's frame is big enough (he is 6' 6") maybe he can put on 25 pounds and move to tackle.

Mr. White
04-24-2010, 03:36 PM
Tight End....Fullback....H-Back......BPA. It all sounds familiar.

Did we just draft James Casey again?

LikeMike
04-24-2010, 03:39 PM
It really sounds like Dickerson will be a slot receiver for us...

It sure shows that our management loves guys that play multiple positions. I don`t know how many of them will make it through training camp, and where they will end up in the end, but it sure looks crowded right now at TE and FB...

texasguy346
04-24-2010, 03:41 PM
The Post Draft press conference is getting ready to start.

link (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv/index.asp?mm_file_id=4067&play_clip=y)

Nawzer
04-24-2010, 03:42 PM
I'm kind of surprised with the tightend picks. I think the Texans want insurance in case OD is not back for whatever reasons. Dressen and Hill were injured and so that leaves Casey as a tightend on the roster. I hope OD will be healthy and will sign a long term deal before the season starts, but it kind of makes me a bit worried.

JWarren14
04-24-2010, 03:43 PM
Good value pick, at first I was like shit another TE, but after watching the highlights that were previously posted he is not your traditional TE. I could see David Anderson/Andre Davis or Hill getting cut.

Im all about adding more speed and athleticism, will allow us to be more unpredictable and add more wrinkles to the offense.

I am not going to start hating on the picks until we see the guys on the field.

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 03:44 PM
Texans REALLY don't want to carry a LS specialist. Slot Dreesen as LS. Shift Dickerson to WR. Casey is slotted at FB and voila, you've found your roster spots.

Now that we have such great depth we don't have to worry about Dreesen being overworked (let Graham take some of his reps at TE).

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 03:45 PM
Tight End....Fullback....H-Back......BPA. It all sounds familiar.

Did we just draft James Casey again?

wr is his main alternate position. i see him being a possible RZ threat whether he lines up tight to the line or outside. great mismatch weapon

valleytexfan
04-24-2010, 03:46 PM
Kubes just announced Dickerson is gonna play WR

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 03:46 PM
Kubes just said he was a receiver

Ryan
04-24-2010, 03:46 PM
Kubes just said this kid will be used as a WR.

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 03:46 PM
Good value pick, at first I was like shit another TE, but after watching the highlights that were previously posted he is not your traditional TE. I could see David Anderson/Andre Davis or Hill getting cut.

Im all about adding more speed and athleticism, will allow us to be more unpredictable and add more wrinkles to the offense.

I am not going to start hating on the picks until we see the guys on the field.

David Anderson isn't going anywhere as long as he has superglue for hands and a knack for getting open on 3rd downs... Andre Davis and Glenn Martinez are the ones on the bubble with the additions of Holliday and Dickerson. Martinez has to show he's THAT much better than Dickerson at route running to warrant a roster spot over that athleticism.

TexanBacker93
04-24-2010, 03:46 PM
In the press conference, Kubiak just said he's planning on putting Dickerson at WR.

Looks like I'm a little late.

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 03:47 PM
Kubes just said he is going to play WR

valleytexfan
04-24-2010, 03:47 PM
In the press conference, Kubiak just said he's planning on putting Dickerson at WR.

Looks like I'm a little late.

Nice, 1,000th post! :splits:

JCTexan
04-24-2010, 03:49 PM
Good. I wasn't liking the idea of having 7 TE's on the roster.

eriadoc
04-24-2010, 03:49 PM
This pick made me happy. I am beyond any stage of "WTF?" I may have had and I'm on to truly enjoying the draft now. This is comedy gold.

We really need to figure out a way to get Connor Barwin to go back to TE.

EDIT: Scratch that! I missed this post:

Kubes just said he is going to play WR

Now I'm just sad. 7 or 8 TEs on the roster was going to be the best media coverage ever.

texasguy346
04-24-2010, 03:50 PM
We really need to figure out a way to get Connor Barwin to go back to TE.

Don't give away the goal line package secret weapon!

TimeKiller
04-24-2010, 04:16 PM
Whatever. Safety isn't even a position on this team.

Lucky
04-24-2010, 04:21 PM
Kubes just announced Dickerson is gonna play WR
Damn! Just when I thought the Texans were ready to shock the world with their new 5 TE offense.

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 04:22 PM
Via Mike Mayock NFL.com

http://chat.nfl.com/front/index/883


After Selvie, the Texans took TE Dorin Dickerson, who I had given a second-round grade to. He's an undersized H-back with explosive skills. He caught 49 passes for Pitt this season, 10 of which went for TDs. I knew my evaluation of him was too optimistic, but I don't understand why he fell all the way to the seventh round. He's an athletic mismatch, and I think the Texans got a steal.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 04:31 PM
THIS KID IS A WEAPON and is more of an H-back, he's too small for the line of schrimmage. Consider him a FB not a TE, so the "not another TE" crowd can go back to their Mel Kiper Draft Guide.

Sounds like a Shannon Sharpe-type guy.
...hopefully without all the lip

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 04:33 PM
Yep, the fact that he is a receiver instead of a tight end makes all the difference. He should be a weapon, and went from being pissed at the pick, to very excited. I swear I feel bi-polar on draft days.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 04:33 PM
Damn! Just when I thought the Texans were ready to shock the world with their new 5 TE offense.

LOL
that'll happen the day A.J. becomes a TE

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 04:41 PM
I'm thinking/hoping that he becomes our version of M. Colston.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 04:42 PM
I'm thinking/hoping that he becomes our version of M. Colston.

I could see it, actually. However, I dont think he sees the field enough to have that kind of an impact. And athletically, Dickerson is at another level.

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 04:43 PM
I'm thinking/hoping that he becomes our version of M. Colston.

I thought Hines Ward because his blocking was actually pretty decent for a tight end which means its great for a wideout....strong 6 foot compact fast WR...

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 04:49 PM
Yep, the fact that he is a receiver instead of a tight end makes all the difference. He should be a weapon, and went from being pissed at the pick, to very excited. I swear I feel bi-polar on draft days.

That's why I take Zoloft
http://www.squarefootagefilms.com/smith/images/commercial_zoloft_hill.jpg

Jackie Chiles
04-24-2010, 05:24 PM
Look forward to seeing this guy destroy some people on special teams. With his athleticism he should make a lot of tackles, potentially have an impact blocking kicks/punts, and be a nice blocker on some long returns courtesy of Holliday.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 05:30 PM
Look forward to seeing this guy destroy some people on special teams. With his athleticism he should make a lot of tackles, potentially have an impact blocking kicks/punts, and be a nice blocker on some long returns courtesy of Holliday.

We just got a bunch faster .

Holliday 4.21
Tate 4.39 @ 220
Dickerson 4.4 @ 226
Jackson 4.44
Northwestern DB 4.5
Mitchell 4.76 @ 295
Sharpton 4.74
Smith 5.03 @ 300

DerekLee1
04-24-2010, 06:58 PM
McClain says he'll line up behind AJ as his backup. I feel a lot more relieved now at this pick.

Sounds like Andre Davis' days as a Texan may be numbered.

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 07:11 PM
McClain says he'll line up behind AJ as his backup. I feel a lot more relieved now at this pick.

Sounds like Andre Davis' days as a Texan may be numbered.

Exactly... that sounds like the coaches have just put AD on the bubble and they have the needle ready. Heck of a gunner but he hasn't been producing enough at KR and WR to warrant his salary these days unfortunately.

And if Molden comes back healthy we should be okay at gunner. If not, maybe McMannis can pick up the slack or Brice Mccain.... Or Dickerson!!!

hot pickle
04-24-2010, 07:29 PM
i love this pick. im excited, and i actually like the TE pick to, i love the texans, i support every pick they make

mexican_texan
04-24-2010, 11:20 PM
Methinks Andre Davis won't be here in 2011.

The Pencil Neck
04-25-2010, 12:04 AM
Has this been posted yet?


10/10/09: As Pittsburgh's goal-line back, Dorin Dickerson has six touchdowns on 20 carries through five games.


That's from Walter Football's TE Prospect page. (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2010TE.php)

I personally found that intriguing.

Jackie Chiles
04-25-2010, 12:10 AM
Has this been posted yet?



That's from Walter Football's TE Prospect page. (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2010TE.php)

I personally found that intriguing.

If we didn't draft Tate in the 2nd that would be much more relevant. Impressive nonetheless. From the few highlights he looks physical after the catch. Man, I really liked this pick the second it was made.

Porky
04-25-2010, 06:39 AM
A few notes on Dickerson: (http://walterfootball.com/draft2010TE.php)

Dorin Dickerson, Pittsburgh
Height: 6-1. Weight: 226.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Combine 40 Time: 4.40.
Benchx225: 24. Vertical: 43. Arm: 34.
Projected Round (2010): 3-4.
3/20/10: Dorin Dickerson didn't run at his Pro Day; he performed in the drills and looked very solid.

2/28/10: Mike Mayock gushed over Dorin Dickerson throughout the Saturday workouts, stating that Dickerson "can't drop below the second round." Dickerson is a 225-pound tight end, but he's a dynamic athlete (4.40 40, 43-inch vertical) and an underrated blocker. He'll probably be in the Round 3-4 range.

10/10/09: As Pittsburgh's goal-line back, Dorin Dickerson has six touchdowns on 20 carries through five games.

2/6/09: In his college career, Dorin Dickerson has played wide receiver, fullback, tight end and linebacker. They talked about having him as hot dog salesman, but that didn't pan out. Dickerson caught 13 balls for 174 yards and two touchdowns as a junior.

LonerATO
04-25-2010, 06:44 AM
I'm thinking/hoping that he becomes our version of M. Colston.

I agree with you that he reminds me of Colston and I could see him taking KW place in a year or two.

Oz Texan
04-25-2010, 07:27 AM
So one of the players we drafted this year gets cut? Waste of a pick. And I hope you are putting Hill on the IR, because he is the best blocking TE out of the bunch.



If you think that everyone of these kids drafted makes the team they are drafted by you are sorely mistaken.

I love this pick, he brings a ton of athleticism to the team. Think of a high round AJ he could have a lot of impact.(one day)

Brandon420tx
04-25-2010, 09:37 AM
Aww I was hoping for a new formation with Tate taking a direct snap, 3TE's and Andre out wide.

ToxicButt
04-25-2010, 09:48 AM
i love this pick. Production at college level. Plus, his measurables are off the charts, even in comparison to WR's.

In comparison to Dez bryant, he is:

1/4 inch shorter
7 pounds heavier
faster in the 40 (4.4 compared to 4.5_)
Better vertical by 3 inches
Same length arms and size hands
much stronger in bench

I know he doesn't have the experience at WR and the direct comparison is insane, but getting this in the 7th? Are you kidding me.

Brandon420tx
04-25-2010, 09:56 AM
He's also played linebacker a bit. SPECIAL TEAMS BABY

Thorn
04-25-2010, 12:25 PM
For a 7th round pick, this is some serious value the Texans got. But it has to make you wonder why he fell to the 7th round. Still, glad he was avaliable to be picked up.

Wolf
04-25-2010, 12:28 PM
Most of Saturday was not much fun for Dorin Dickerson.

The wait was excruciating, the uncertainty unbearable and as name by name was called in the 2010 NFL Draft -- 226 before Dickerson's -- it all, admittedly, got to him.

"It started to be frustrating, it was such a long process," the tight end from Pitt said. "But, then my phone rang, and it was this weird number calling me."

It was, in some regard, his future calling and, with it, the disappointment was left behind.

That phone call was from the Houston Texans' front office, which was notifying Dickerson -- a 6-foot-4, 226-pound prospect from West Allegheny High School -- that they were selecting him with their final pick; a seventh-round selection and the 227th overall pick.

All of this was a remarkable development after some draft experts had tabbed Dickerson worthy of selection as early as late in the second round.

Instead, he sat through the three-day event where 17 tight ends were taken before him, where three punters were taken before him, where two players each from Montana and West Texas A&M were selected before him.

All of that, though, is in the past.

"Just because of my size, because they think I'm small to play tight end, a lot of teams were scared to pick me," said Dickerson, who played tight end, wide receiver, kick-returner, linebacker and also took a direct snap on offense at Pitt.

"I just have to go prove myself now, I just have to go make the team. Houston wants me to play H-back, and I am comfortable doing that. I realize just getting drafted is an accomplishment and I am moving forward, I am happy with this opportunity."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10115/1053195-66.stm#ixzz0m8MoCfQQ

rmartin65
04-25-2010, 12:29 PM
For a 7th round pick, this is some serious value the Texans got. But it has to make you wonder why he fell to the 7th round. Still, glad he was avaliable to be picked up.

I think he fell for the same reason I initially freaked out; He is a small tight end. Fast, yes, but small. Then again, who knows. Maybe he came off wrong during interviews.

Wolf
04-25-2010, 12:32 PM
another article that basically says the same thing except this one has this
So, while most draft experts had the West Allegheny High School graduate ranked among the top five tight ends, he endured a three-day slide into the seventh round. Sixteen tight ends were picked ahead of Dickerson, including Byham and two from Penn State, Andrew Quarless and Mickey Shuler.

But Texans coach Gary Kubiak saw promise. He plans to let Dickerson learn the craft from Pro Bowl receiver Andre Johnson.

"I just think he has a great deal of ability," Kubiak said of Dickerson. "I see him having a future as a wide receiver in this league. We've got a long way to come with him, but he's going to be a great project for us."

Dickerson, who played wide receiver at Pitt as a freshman, also plans to contribute on special teams for the Texans. He will use any draft disappointment as motivation.

"I'm ready for the competition," Dickerson said.


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_678076.html

GuerillaBlack
04-25-2010, 12:39 PM
Yeah, I think he's going to be legit for us. He's only going to be learning from the best. Dickerson also has good size for a receiver. I think he'll be surprising a lot of people come OTAs.

Porky
04-25-2010, 12:53 PM
From a measurables standpoint, he kind of reminds me of David Boston and to a lesser extent AJ himself. Boston was about 10lbs heavier as I recall, but Dickerson actually had a higher vertical. Boston was 37, Dickerson 43. Height is identical, and speed right in the same ballpark.

Granted, Boston was a much more polished guy coming out. That's why he was a top 10 pick, but given a year or two and if the guy is dedicated and works his butt off, I think the upside is tremendous. Of course, he could also flame out and be gone in a yr or two just as easily. It's a boom or bust pick, but in the 7th rd, I'll take that gamble every time.

Jackie Chiles
04-25-2010, 01:00 PM
From a measurables standpoint, he kind of reminds me of David Boston and to a lesser extent AJ himself. Boston was about 10lbs heavier as I recall, but Dickerson actually had a higher vertical. Boston was 37, Dickerson 43. Height is identical, and speed right in the same ballpark.

Granted, Boston was a much more polished guy coming out. That's why he was a top 10 pick, but given a year or two and if the guy is dedicated and works his butt off, I think the upside is tremendous. Of course, he could also flame out and be gone in a yr or two just as easily. It's a boom or bust pick, but in the 7th rd, I'll take that gamble every time.

Oh man, David Boston, beast for a few years then got waaaay too focused on weight lifting (had to be a steroid freak). After he tore his ACL he ballooned up to like 270lbs and before hanging up his spikes I believe he gave DT a try. Not knocking the comparison at all, its a good one, just brought back some memories.

threetoedpete
04-25-2010, 01:36 PM
McClain says he'll line up behind AJ as his backup. I feel a lot more relieved now at this pick.

Sounds like Andre Davis' days as a Texan may be numbered.

the Key word in here is groomed behind A.J. . And why AJ and Not KW ? Or J.J. ?
What we know for a fact about McClain is our suspicions are true. McClain writes only what the Texans want him to know. And that isn't very much. Dickerson will have to make it on special teams first. It is an opportunity, not a lock. Be awhile before he is running off a veteran off the squad. Remember with Kubes it is always: Can I count on you ? Dorin is going to have to earn that trust this summer. I can't remeber the last time Andre Davis put a ball on the ground ? Can You ?

Allstar
04-25-2010, 01:55 PM
the Key word in here is groomed behind A.J. . And why AJ and Not KW ? Or J.J. ?
What we know for a fact about McClain is our suspicions are true. McClain writes only what the Texans want him to know. And that isn't very much. Dickerson will have to make it on special teams first. It is an opportunity, not a lock. Be awhile before he is running off a veteran off the squad. Remember with Kubes it is always: Can I count on you ? Dorin is going to have to earn that trust this summer. I can't remeber the last time Andre Davis put a ball on the ground ? Can You ?

I don't think it's so much Dorin booting AD off, as much as it is the emergence of Jacoby makes Davis expendable. We drafted a big wideout to groom behind AJ, and a return specialist in Holliday. Seems to me that Andre Davis has become extra baggage.

ObsiWan
04-25-2010, 02:06 PM
IF, as many are postulating, Andre Davis will bite the dust this season because of J.J.'s evolution (which still needs to be demonstrated as permanent) and the drafting of Holliday (I still need to see if he's tough enough for this level) I would hope the front office is shopping him around for a second day (well, what used to be second day) draft pick. He's still fast, he doesn't do anything stupid as a return guy, and could be of some use as a slot guy to a team light in the WR dept. He's still fast and still has decent hands. If Travis Johnson was sellable, A.D. ought to be sellable.

ChampionTexan
04-25-2010, 02:11 PM
I don't think it's so much Dorin booting AD off, as much as it is the emergence of Jacoby makes Davis expendable. We drafted a big wideout to groom behind AJ, and a return specialist in Holliday. Seems to me that Andre Davis has become extra baggage.

Last year, Andre Davis was 48th in the NFL in Kick-off returns (avg. yds), did not return a single punt, and he caught 6 passes for 59 yards. He's scheduled to make slightly more than $2.5 Million in 2010, and because of the uncapped year, his unamortized bonus doesn't impact anything.

Whether it's Holliday, Dickinson, or something that may have happened regardless, I think he's as good as gone.

ObsiWan
04-25-2010, 02:16 PM
Last year, Andre Davis was 48th in the NFL in Kick-off returns (avg. yds), did not return a single punt, and he caught 6 passes for 59 yards. He's scheduled to make slightly more than $2.5 Million in 2010, and because of the uncapped year, his unamortized bonus doesn't impact anything.

Whether it's Holliday, Dickinson, or something that may have happened regardless, I think he's as good as gone.

Davis's problem on offense, at least last year, was that he's behind The Beast. And we all know that the Beast hardly EVER comes off the field. Anyone behind A.J. is gonna be stat-poor as long as A.J. stays healthy.

GuerillaBlack
04-25-2010, 02:18 PM
Davis's problem on offense, at least last year, was that he's behind The Beast. And we all know that the Beast hardly EVER comes off the field. Anyone behind A.J. is gonna be stat-poor as long as A.J. stays healthy.

Not to mention Jacoby DID start taking Davis' place last season.

ChampionTexan
04-25-2010, 02:20 PM
Davis's problem on offense, at least last year, was that he's behind The Beast. And we all know that the Beast hardly EVER comes off the field. Anyone behind A.J. is gonna be stat-poor as long as A.J. stays healthy.

Which is a really really good reason for not having someone who makes $2.5+ million a year at that spot.

ObsiWan
04-25-2010, 02:24 PM
Which is a really really good reason for not having someone who makes $2.5+ million a year at that spot.

...unless something happens to A.J. again - perish the thought.
would you be comfortable with J.J. as our #1??
Makes me nervous.
Let J.J. show us this year that last year wasn't a fluke, then A.D. is expendable.

ChampionTexan
04-25-2010, 02:28 PM
...unless something happens to A.J. again - perish the thought.
would you be comfortable with J.J. as our #1??
Makes me nervous.
Let J.J. show us this year that last year wasn't a fluke, then A.D. is expendable.

I'm not saying what I would be comfortable with - I'm saying what I believe will happen. So I guess I'm saying I believe Kubes and the F.O. will be comfortable with it.

But yeah, I'm actually pretty comfortable with forcing JJ to step up and show us how he performs as the man if (god forbid) something happens to A.J.

JCTexan
04-25-2010, 02:33 PM
Houston kept six WR's last year, so someone isn't going to make the roster. It's either going to be Martinez, Davis or Dickerson. A seventh round pick who can push Davis or Martinez for that final WR spot isn't a bad pick IMO. Dickerson could also be placed on the practice squad this year.

...unless something happens to A.J. again - perish the thought.
would you be comfortable with J.J. as our #1??
Makes me nervous.
Let J.J. show us this year that last year wasn't a fluke, then A.D. is expendable.

I doubt Davis would even be starting if AJ wasn't in the line-up. Walter would easily be the #1 WR if anything happened to AJ. Jacoby I believe would be placed as the #2, Anderson would be #3. Davis is easily replaceable with the cash he's making.

ObsiWan
04-25-2010, 03:20 PM
Houston kept six WR's last year, so someone isn't going to make the roster. It's either going to be Martinez, Davis or Dickerson. A seventh round pick who can push Davis or Martinez for that final WR spot isn't a bad pick IMO. Dickerson could also be placed on the practice squad this year.



I doubt Davis would even be starting if AJ wasn't in the line-up. Walter would easily be the #1 WR if anything happened to AJ. Jacoby I believe would be placed as the #2, Anderson would be #3. Davis is easily replaceable with the cash he's making.

First, I like the Dickerson pick. If we can polish him up - and it shouldn't be hard since he was versatile enough to play multiple positions at Pitt - then I like his size and the redzone posibilities he presents. And if Kubiak's plan is to let A.J. be a guru to Dickerson, I'm totally down with that.

Second, I'd rather have Davis's speed on the field than Anderson's ...whatever it is he has... any day. Let's think about it, there's no A.J. on the field and Davis is gone (according to this line of thinking), so now Jones is the only speed threat. Neither Walter nor Anderson can stretch the field like Davis can. We all know that having a legit deep threat makes all the underneath routes more effective. And the last time A.J. went down, Davis showed he could step up.

Now like I said before, when Jones shows he's ready to be a CONSISTENT #2, then Davis is trade bait. But I wouldn't give up proven insurance for a "maybe".

Jackie Chiles
04-25-2010, 03:26 PM
...unless something happens to A.J. again - perish the thought.
would you be comfortable with J.J. as our #1??
Makes me nervous.
Let J.J. show us this year that last year wasn't a fluke, then A.D. is expendable.

KW would be the 1 by default and JJ would be a solid 2. Davis has been gift-wrapped a roster spot the last couple of years because of his contract and the fact that we did not have legit competition in the return game.

The Pencil Neck
04-25-2010, 03:27 PM
I look at it like this:

If Dickerson shows any promise on ST, then Martinez is gone. If Dickerson develops as a WR, that's just gravy. If Dickerson doesn't develop and doesn't seem to get it, then they'll try to stuff him onto PS. Try.

We're only going with 2 QBs this year: Schaub and Orlavsky. We should bring in a camp body or two but unless something bad happens, those two are our QBs. That opens up a spot and that spot goes to Holliday.

AD loses his spot only if some of these peripheral WRs (Dickerson, Martinez, or one of thse UDFAs) develop and take the spot from him.

BigBull17
04-25-2010, 04:00 PM
It is evident that the Texans are concerned about their te situation. With all the injuries and the way nobody really stepped up after Owen Daniels went down I think they want to be sure they are covered. No way we draft 2 tight ends and sign a te free agent if there wasn't a major concern. I think more information will be coming post draft about the te situation.

Great point. Our TE position was more of a weakness than a strength post OD. Like BPA. Dickerson may play WR, FWIW.

Allstar
04-25-2010, 04:07 PM
Great point. Our TE position was more of a weakness than a strength post OD. Like BPA. Dickerson may play WR, FWIW.

Read the rest of the thread. Dickerson will be a WR, this doesn't have anything to do with the TE position.

BigBull17
04-25-2010, 04:18 PM
We put alot of stock on three things:
1. Character and football knowledge
2. Combine numbers
3. Physicallity

For WR's, willing blockers. As a converted TE, he is ahead of the game as a blocker. They even said it when talking about our draft, that he was a good blocker, just undersized for the position.

Fred
04-25-2010, 05:27 PM
We now have 7 TE's. Guess we will unleash our new 5 TE set upon the NFL this season...

Owen Daniels can play QB and James Casey can play Long Snapper, so think 7 TE set...

We have become the Detroit Lions of TEs...

To be fair (which goes against my nature):
Det 2003 1st round 2nd pick: Charles Rogers
Det 2004 1st round 7th pick: Roy Williams
Det 2005 1st round 10th pick: Mike Williams
Det 2007 1st round 2nd pick: Calvin Johnson

In five years that is 4 1st round top 10 picks, including 2 2nd overall picks on WR.

Hou 2006 4th round 98th pick: Owen Daniels
Hou 2009 4th round 122 pick: Anthony Hill
Hou 2009 5th round 152 pick: James Casey
Hou 2010 4th round 118 pick: Garrett Graham
Hou 2010 7th round 227 pick: Dorin Dickerson

In five years that is no one picked in the first 3 rounds. And Dickerson will be a WR. And Hill has only been Joppru so far. And Casey can play Long Snapper, Holder, and Kicker - all on the same play. So, not exactly equal to spending 2 #2 overall picks and 2 more top 10 picks on the position.

THIS KID IS A WEAPON and is more of an H-back, he's too small for the line of schrimmage. Consider him a FB not a TE, so the "not another TE" crowd can go back to their Mel Kiper Draft Guide.

OUCH OUCH OUCH !!!

Wolf
04-25-2010, 05:39 PM
what is really good about this... he is getting a lot of attention by the fans esp for a 7th rounder .

Honoring Earl 34
04-25-2010, 05:43 PM
what is really good about this... he is getting a lot of attention by the fans esp for a 7th rounder .

Don't know

Wolf
04-25-2010, 05:48 PM
just saying , whether he makes it or not... it is a good sign that the team is gaining depth and getting better and a 7th rounder is being talked about



I figure our WR crew is above average (overall) in the NFL(dre brings it up a big notch) and well based on POV ... if we got a steal in the 7th and he can push our team, great ...

Honoring Earl 34
04-25-2010, 06:01 PM
just saying , whether he makes it or not... it is a good sign that the team is gaining depth and getting better and a 7th rounder is being talked about



I figure our WR crew is above average (overall) in the NFL(dre brings it up a big notch) and well based on POV ... if we got a steal in the 7th and he can push our team, great ...

I'm sure they weren't looking his way at first but he was rated a 7.7 . The guys around him were 3.0s , you gotta take him .

Part of the WCO is the slants with the big strong guys who break tackles . Think Rice and Taylor , now you have AJ , JJ , and DD . Walter is reliable buy he's not a game breaker .

LikeMike
04-25-2010, 06:18 PM
It´s a 7th round pick, and we get a guy with great potential, that many viewed as a 3d round talent. I don`t think you can see something negative in that. If he can learn behind AJ and really become a dangerous WR we got ourself a steal here!

rmartin65
04-25-2010, 06:26 PM
Owen Daniels can play QB and James Casey can play Long Snapper, so think 7 TE set...



To be fair (which goes against my nature):
Det 2003 1st round 2nd pick: Charles Rogers
Det 2004 1st round 7th pick: Roy Williams
Det 2005 1st round 10th pick: Mike Williams
Det 2007 1st round 2nd pick: Calvin Johnson

In five years that is 4 1st round top 10 picks, including 2 2nd overall picks on WR.

Hou 2006 4th round 98th pick: Owen Daniels
Hou 2009 4th round 122 pick: Anthony Hill
Hou 2009 5th round 152 pick: James Casey
Hou 2010 4th round 118 pick: Garrett Graham
Hou 2010 7th round 227 pick: Dorin Dickerson

In five years that is no one picked in the first 3 rounds. And Dickerson will be a WR. And Hill has only been Joppru so far. And Casey can play Long Snapper, Holder, and Kicker - all on the same play. So, not exactly equal to spending 2 #2 overall picks and 2 more top 10 picks on the position.


To be fair, I meant that mostly as a joke. I know the Lions draft history. I was just trying to make a point about just how many tight ends the Texans have.

And I also know that Dickerson will be a receiver. My comment was made before that bit of information came into light.

WolverineFan
04-25-2010, 06:34 PM
The fact that we got a guy like Dickerson in the 7th and guys still complain about it only goes to show the hypocrisy of the average Houston Texans fan.

Many complain for the sake of complaining.

TheRealJoker
04-25-2010, 07:11 PM
Somehow we managed to strengthen the league's strongest WR/TE core. The competition is gonna be intense during training camp!!! We're gonna be light at some positions imo because we are going to be forced to keep more WRs/TEs in order to make sure we picked the best 53 players for the active roster.

I think we go back to 2 QBs this year and do not carry a LS specialist to help make up for it. Dreesen is LS and Graham/Casey help reduce his reps to lessen the risk of injury to our LS.

GuerillaBlack
04-25-2010, 07:21 PM
We will also onle have one kicker. His name shall not be Kris Brown.

theanswer000
04-25-2010, 08:28 PM
I bet this guy becomes the next AJ.

Jackie Chiles
04-25-2010, 08:30 PM
I bet this guy becomes the next AJ.

Hey, I love the pick too but that's beyond highly unlikely.

theanswer000
04-25-2010, 08:39 PM
Hey, I love the pick too but that's beyond highly unlikely.

You never know. It took AJ a few years to get to all-star level. I think he ends up better than KW for sure though. We all will see.
:texflag:

Fred
04-25-2010, 08:41 PM
To be fair, I meant that mostly as a joke. I know the Lions draft history. I was just trying to make a point about just how many tight ends the Texans have.

And I also know that Dickerson will be a receiver. My comment was made before that bit of information came into light.

Yeah, I could see the joking - I still think the Texans Defensive Line is closer to Detroit's WR:

2002: 3rd: Charles Hill, DT (who?)
6th: Howard Green, DT (who?)
7th: Ahmad Miller, DT (who?)
2003: 6th: Keith Wright, DT (who?)
2004: 1st: Jason Babin, OLB/DE (ouch)
2005: 1st: Travis Johnson, DT (ouch)
2006: 1st: Mario Williams, DE (yeah!)
2007: 1st: Amobi Okoye, DT (err, hmmm...)
2008: 5th: Frank Okam, DT (don't sign any long term leases...)
2009: 2nd: Connor Barwin, DE (bring it dude!)
2010: 3rd: Earl Mitchell, DT (welcome to Houston)

4 first round D Linemen in 4 years. 5 D Tackles in the 3rd round or earlier, and the next one of those who pans out will be the first one.

GuerillaBlack
04-25-2010, 08:53 PM
I bet this guy becomes the next AJ.

Nah, but I can definitely see the next Hines Ward.

You never know. It took AJ a few years to get to all-star level. I think he ends up better than KW for sure though. We all will see.
:texflag:

Which AJ you talking about? Andre Johnson became Andre Johnson his rookie year.

theanswer000
04-25-2010, 09:04 PM
Being behind Jabar Gaffeny and Corey Bradford really did not help him evolve as fast as he should have, David Carr did not help either. AJ is a lot more powerful and can really go against the best DB on any team and hold his own or embarass them. Just saying looking at Dorin he reminds me of AJ I know thats not a fair comparison to him bc he isnt. But AJ is getting older and I'm looking to the future.

Number19
04-25-2010, 09:27 PM
For a 7th round pick, this is some serious value the Texans got. But it has to make you wonder why he fell to the 7th round. Still, glad he was avaliable to be picked up.From what I've heard, coaches and scouts and GM's just didn't know what position he would play at the next level. He was moved so often from position to position, there just wasn't much tape of him at any one position for them to make a decision. What I noticed, he was rated as an undersized TE who might would be best suited as a FB and H-back. I'm not sure I ever saw him analyzed as a WR. Lucky for us.

GuerillaBlack
04-25-2010, 09:37 PM
Being behind Jabar Gaffeny and Corey Bradford really did not help him evolve as fast as he should have, David Carr did not help either. AJ is a lot more powerful and can really go against the best DB on any team and hold his own or embarass them. Just saying looking at Dorin he reminds me of AJ I know thats not a fair comparison to him bc he isnt. But AJ is getting older and I'm looking to the future.

Why was AJ a Rookie of the Year candidate then? And AJ is just now getting into his prime. Without any major injuries, we have a long time before AJ is gone.

Number19
04-25-2010, 09:37 PM
"...Anderson's ...whatever it is he has... Neither Walter nor Anderson can stretch the field..."Anderson runs precision routes and has dependable hands. Whether practice or a game, he always runs the route exactly the same. When you absolutely need a first down, go to Anderson. From the old school, think Unitas to Berry. Always dependable.

ChampionTexan
04-25-2010, 09:42 PM
I bet this guy becomes the next AJ.

[Runs to put second, third and fourth mortgage on house!]

Honoring Earl 34
04-25-2010, 10:01 PM
Anderson runs precision routes and has dependable hands. Whether practice or a game, he always runs the route exactly the same. When you absolutely need a first down, go to Anderson. From the old school, think Unitas to Berry. Always dependable.

Anderson has his place there's no arguing . I think Dickerson brings ... at least on paper ... the same element that Marshall , Colston , Jackson , and the other big wrs that can run bring . To big to cover with a CB and to fast to cover with a lb .

JB
04-25-2010, 10:02 PM
[Runs to put second, third and fourth mortgage on house!]

:lol:

That was an awful bold statement

Carr Bombed
04-25-2010, 11:20 PM
Being behind Jabar Gaffeny and Corey Bradford really did not help him evolve as fast as he should have,

Andre was never behind Gaffney or Bradford. From the moment he was drafted he was handed the #1 spot on this team.

GP
04-25-2010, 11:34 PM
Andre was never behind Gaffney or Bradford. From the moment he was drafted he was handed the #1 spot on this team.

Every draft we get a whole slew of newbies in here who don't think before they type.

And if they keep on "not thinking before they type" do you know what they turn into?

Me.

LOL.

The Pencil Neck
04-25-2010, 11:42 PM
From what I've heard, coaches and scouts and GM's just didn't know what position he would play at the next level. He was moved so often from position to position, there just wasn't much tape of him at any one position for them to make a decision. What I noticed, he was rated as an undersized TE who might would be best suited as a FB and H-back. I'm not sure I ever saw him analyzed as a WR. Lucky for us.

I believe he was actually playing WR in the senior bowl or something. And he looked raw.

beerlover
04-25-2010, 11:43 PM
Dickerson is going to play special teams & play in the slot. I get the sense that they want to be physical in the offensive secondary too. Dickerson has the NFL body to play significant minutes & athletic enough to give some teams fits, maybe the steal of the Texans draft?

Carr Bombed
04-25-2010, 11:52 PM
If he has good soft hands he could be our Rod Smith. A physical receiver that everybody passed on who went on to have a great career under Gary Kubiak. I love the pick....he's got plenty of people to learn from (I actually think he'll learn more from Kevin Walter than Andre Johnson, because Walter has been in his shoes before...a late round pick/long shot who was able to scratch out a very productive career) and I think he has a good chance to be a very good player for us.

rmartin65
04-26-2010, 07:09 AM
Every draft we get a whole slew of newbies in here who don't think before they type.


Thats the truth. But for some reason, it seems like there are more this year.

HuttoKarl
04-26-2010, 08:05 AM
Thats the truth. But for some reason, it seems like there are more this year.

Nothing will top the Mario Williams Draft newb crop.

maddogmrb
04-26-2010, 09:10 AM
We can field the all-NFL TE team! Yeah! Let's see we needed another TE like Vick needs another dog.

Oh, but Kubes says we "might" be able to convert him to a WR ... another position of desperate need.

I just didn't realize we were the Colts or Saints and didn't really have any specific position needs and could afford to take on a project.

BigTimeTexanFan
04-26-2010, 09:44 AM
It's the 7th round. You aren't drafting starters in the 7th round. He was the best available on their board, so they took him. Who else was there that was so much better that warranted a selection?

In the 7th round, even if he just stayed at tight end and has a good career, it's still a good selection.

Blake
04-26-2010, 09:48 AM
We can field the all-NFL TE team! Yeah! Let's see we needed another TE like Vick needs another dog.

Oh, but Kubes says we "might" be able to convert him to a WR ... another position of desperate need.

I just didn't realize we were the Colts or Saints and didn't really have any specific position needs and could afford to take on a project.

Boy, you are just not getting it. He is NOT A TE!

We got a football player who was projected to go in the 3rd round and you are pissed? Give me a break.

BigBull17
04-26-2010, 10:00 AM
We can field the all-NFL TE team! Yeah! Let's see we needed another TE like Vick needs another dog.

Oh, but Kubes says we "might" be able to convert him to a WR ... another position of desperate need.

I just didn't realize we were the Colts or Saints and didn't really have any specific position needs and could afford to take on a project.

Well, we cant cover tight ends anyway, we may as well draft them all.

maddogmrb
04-26-2010, 10:38 AM
Boy, you are just not getting it. He is NOT A TE!

We got a football player who was projected to go in the 3rd round and you are pissed? Give me a break.

No son, you're not getting it. He is too small to be a TE (hence no 3rd round) and "might" become a WR???? How often does that work? And we have such need for WR's right??? I'm sure there was no FS, G, C, DT, or backup QB that could have been drafted here with the possibility of actually filling a need on our team.

Blake
04-26-2010, 10:51 AM
No son, you're not getting it. He is too small to be a TE (hence no 3rd round) and "might" become a WR???? How often does that work? And we have such need for WR's right??? I'm sure there was no FS, G, C, DT, or backup QB that could have been drafted here with the possibility of actually filling a need on our team.

He was a 7th round pick. This is where you take projects. This is where you take the uber athletic player who slips due to size but might project as a better player at another position.

We already drafted a guard and DT. They like Myers/Caldwell/White so center is out. And I am assuming that they didnt like any FS's left and were fine with Eugene Wilson.

Let me ask you a question. Who would you have had them draft in the 7th round instead?

dalemurphy
04-26-2010, 10:52 AM
No son, you're not getting it. He is too small to be a TE (hence no 3rd round) and "might" become a WR???? How often does that work? And we have such need for WR's right??? I'm sure there was no FS, G, C, DT, or backup QB that could have been drafted here with the possibility of actually filling a need on our team.

this is unbelievable! He's a project that has the potential to pay major dividends. I'd be interested in know what 7th rounder you think would make this year's team better at the positions you mentioned. By the way, they have signed two FS in UDFA and at least three OL in UDFA. Oh yeah, and they signed a QB also. But, I'm sure you knew that already?

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2010, 10:55 AM
Nothing will top the Mario Williams Draft newb crop.

Hey. I was one of those guys.

Honoring Earl 34
04-26-2010, 11:10 AM
No son, you're not getting it. He is too small to be a TE (hence no 3rd round) and "might" become a WR???? How often does that work? And we have such need for WR's right??? I'm sure there was no FS, G, C, DT, or backup QB that could have been drafted here with the possibility of actually filling a need on our team.

He was a 7th round pick. This is where you take projects. This is where you take the uber athletic player who slips due to size but might project as a better player at another position.

We already drafted a guard and DT. They like Myers/Caldwell/White so center is out. And I am assuming that they didnt like any FS's left and were fine with Eugene Wilson.

Let me ask you a question. Who would you have had them draft in the 7th round instead?

That's your Pa SM ? :ant:

It's funny how folks complain about a 7th round pick . I'm betting Dickerson is still in the league in 3 years where most 7th rounders won't make it past camp .

rmartin65
04-26-2010, 12:17 PM
Hey. I was one of those guys.

But you have stuck around, and have become a great contributor on the board. So you are cool.

GuerillaBlack
04-26-2010, 12:53 PM
Nothing will top the Mario Williams Draft newb crop.

That's when I arrived! :mad:

;)

And there are probably more newbs because the Texans are a rising team. The bandwagon is being built.

Beer and Metal
04-26-2010, 01:14 PM
Just a thought, but I seem to remember (TV announcer? radio comment?) someone saying the Texans had plans for some three-tight end sets, but couldn't employ them after OD went down.

If so, it would make sense for a pick like this because of his multi-role ability.

Carr Bombed
04-26-2010, 01:59 PM
No son, you're not getting it. He is too small to be a TE (hence no 3rd round) and "might" become a WR???? How often does that work? And we have such need for WR's right??? I'm sure there was no FS, G, C, DT, or backup QB that could have been drafted here with the possibility of actually filling a need on our team.

In today's passing league you can never have enough quality WRs. I wanted them to draft one. If Johnson goes down our WR core isn't as strong as people make it out to be. Andre Davis needs to go......your last WR spot should be filled by a young guy who has a HUGE upside (or hell any upside at all will do), not a older player who has already maxed out his potential...Dickerson is the exact type of player that should be filling that spot.

El Tejano
04-26-2010, 03:21 PM
Everyone that looks at our draft of course speaks of Kareem and The sweet Tate of victory, but they typically say positive things about our picks. Then they get to Dorin Dickerson and say "now here is the special part of this draft. This kid was supposed to go in the 2nd and somehow fell in this draft. Texans got a steal here."

I'll take that in the 7th round everytime.

keyser
04-26-2010, 03:53 PM
I posted this elsewhere, but at the point he was picked, Dickerson was the absolute top pick remaining on my chart (which was just an average of ratings from 5 different places).

I'm annoyed that we didn't pick up a FS, or more OL, and do both earlier, but you can't complain about taking the best player available when you're in round 7, even if it's not at a position of need. Besides, unless it's one of the players that got picked at the end of the round, you've got a chance to get anyone else you want in free agency. If it's a need area for your team, you should have a good case to make to any free agent you want to target, since you can promise them a real shot at a roster spot.

Ole Miss Texan
04-27-2010, 12:35 PM
I'm hoping Dorin Dickerson can develop into a similar player as Marques Colston. Both were TE/WR tweeners that pro scouts didn't feel could make it as TE's. Both have similar size at apprx. 6'4 225lbs, both went in the 7th round to a pass happy team wanting to use them as WRs, only Dickerson appears to be more refined and more explosive/faster. That would be huge!

Rey
04-27-2010, 01:19 PM
Dorin Dickerson, WR, Pittsburgh
Seventh round (227th overall)

Strahm: "This guy is really interesting. For him to be sitting there in the seventh round was unbelievable. Some people had him in the late third, early fourth. We couldn't wait to get him. He's 6-1, 220, and he's not a tight end; we're going to put him as a wide receiver. He's from West Allegheny High School in Pittsburgh, Pa. Extremely versatile athlete. There's nothing that this kid can't do. I'll give you an example: His senior year in high school, he ran for over 1,400 yards and 30 TDs. So his running skills after the catch or anything else are exceptional. Played wide receiver, running back, outside linebacker and tight end. Excellent worker. He's a dynamic athlete and a diverse talent. He needs time on the job at the wide receiver position, but he will come in and make all of our special teams. He's going to be a great contributor on special teams. Has very good playing speed, natural quickness. A hybrid-type player at this stage with a terrific upside. He had a 43½-inch vertical and a long jump of over 10½ feet. I mean, that is exceptional."

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6136

buddyboy
04-28-2010, 04:28 PM
No son, you're not getting it. He is too small to be a TE (hence no 3rd round) and "might" become a WR???? How often does that work? And we have such need for WR's right??? I'm sure there was no FS, G, C, DT, or backup QB that could have been drafted here with the possibility of actually filling a need on our team.

You keep popping into every single thread, spouting your nonsense about "WE NEEDED A FS, G, C, DT, BACKUP QB IN THE SEVENTH ROUND". Then, people give logical reason why, well, the seventh round isn't exactly the place to be drafting a starting FS.

Then you go to another thread to whine and moan. It's getting repetitive.

TheRealJoker
04-29-2010, 02:02 AM
I would've liked Blair White in the 7th but after analyzing Dickerson he gives us much more options. In the 7th round you're looking for a special teams player first and an athlete like Dickerson gives us so many more options than any other player left on the board. He even played OLB at one point at Pittsburgh so we know he's physical enough to go out there and tackle somebody.

Plus, a player like White, although a heck of a WR would only fit a David Anderson role on our team. While Dickerson has the capability to be the next Marques Colston.

Biggest upside of all the players left on the board and at worst he's a beast on special teams given his athleticism and versatility. That there thingy is called a steal in the 7th round.

Señor Stan
04-29-2010, 05:10 AM
Listened to an interview with Dorin on the drive home yesterday on the Sean and John show on 1560.

http://www.1560thegame.com/media/?page_id=196

He interviewed really well and sounds like he has a great attitude about coming to Houston.

gtexan02
04-29-2010, 11:38 AM
I'm hoping Dorin Dickerson can develop into a similar player as Marques Colston. Both were TE/WR tweeners that pro scouts didn't feel could make it as TE's. Both have similar size at apprx. 6'4 225lbs, both went in the 7th round to a pass happy team wanting to use them as WRs, only Dickerson appears to be more refined and more explosive/faster. That would be huge!

Did the Saints know they got a steal in Colston in the 7th? Everyone seems to be very positive about this guy

GuerillaBlack
04-29-2010, 12:34 PM
Did the Saints know they got a steal in Colston in the 7th? Everyone seems to be very positive about this guy

They knew at OTAs and then it was confirmed at training camp. I remember hearing the rumors that Colston was really good.

mexican_texan
05-01-2010, 08:57 AM
Nah, but I can definitely see the next Hines Ward.



Which AJ you talking about? Andre Johnson became Andre Johnson his rookie year.

Andre Johnson didn't become a beast until...2004/2005. I'll never forget his catches against the Vikings in 2004.

infantrycak
05-01-2010, 09:53 AM
Andre Johnson didn't become a beast until...2004/2005. I'll never forget his catches against the Vikings in 2004.

He was just shy of 1000 yds as a rookie with a nothing as a QB. Everyone knew he was a beast if thrown to properly.

Honoring Earl 34
05-01-2010, 10:15 AM
He was just shy of 1000 yds as a rookie with a nothing as a QB. Everyone knew he was a beast if thrown to properly.

For your information the 2 yard slant can be deadly if the routes run correctly . :cutthroat:

JB
05-01-2010, 10:37 AM
He was just shy of 1000 yds as a rookie with a nothing as a QB. Everyone knew he was a beast if thrown to properly.

Yep! 66 for 976 with HWSNBN throwing to him. That's pretty beastly

qman_tx
05-02-2010, 08:38 AM
Andre Johnson didn't become a beast until...2004/2005. I'll never forget his catches against the Vikings in 2004.

IMO he was beast since his rookie year.

50yd TD against the Bills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8_JaLhQONQ

maddogmrb
05-02-2010, 09:05 AM
You keep popping into every single thread, spouting your nonsense about "WE NEEDED A FS, G, C, DT, BACKUP QB IN THE SEVENTH ROUND". Then, people give logical reason why, well, the seventh round isn't exactly the place to be drafting a starting FS.

Then you go to another thread to whine and moan. It's getting repetitive.

Buddyboy, you're so right. The 7th round IS the place to draft our 7th TE for the roster. I apologize for being so stupid!

Perhaps a LOGICAL reason to draft the BPA in a NEED position is that they might surprise and become a contributor. Drafting the teams 6th or 7th TE in the 7th round is a waste.

Revolution
05-02-2010, 09:08 AM
Buddyboy, you're so right. The 7th round IS the place to draft our 7th TE for the roster. I apologize for being so stupid!

Perhaps a LOGICAL reason to draft the BPA in a NEED position is that they might surprise and become a contributor. Drafting the teams 6th or 7th TE in the 7th round is a waste.

If you actually paid attention, Dickerson was drafted as a WR, not a TE...

Lucky
05-02-2010, 09:13 AM
I haven't seen this much discussion regarding a 7th round pick since the Alex Brink selection in 2008.

Alex Who? Exactly.

rmartin65
05-02-2010, 09:15 AM
I haven't seen this much discussion regarding a 7th round pick since the Alex Brink selection in 2008.

Alex Who? Exactly.

Well, I think about 75% are really excited about the pick. The other 25% still does not realize that he is a receiver, not a TE.

buddyboy
05-02-2010, 03:13 PM
Buddyboy, you're so right. The 7th round IS the place to draft our 7th TE for the roster. I apologize for being so stupid!

Perhaps a LOGICAL reason to draft the BPA in a NEED position is that they might surprise and become a contributor. Drafting the teams 6th or 7th TE in the 7th round is a waste.

Really? Because I think the seventh round is EXACTLY when you want to draft the best player available, because Dickerson had a near 3rd round draft tag by some and he fell to us in the seventh. If you're going to draft a project player in a position that you don't necessarily need, but they could develop into a good player in a few years, the seventh round is the place to do it.

AND HE'S GOING TO BE PLAYING WIDE RECEIVER.

mexican_texan
05-02-2010, 11:50 PM
He was just shy of 1000 yds as a rookie with a nothing as a QB. Everyone knew he was a beast if thrown to properly.

I think he separated himself from the Michael Clayton's and Roy Williams' of the world after that.

infantrycak
05-03-2010, 09:23 AM
I think he separated himself from the Michael Clayton's and Roy Williams' of the world after that.

Nope. AJ was drafted in 2003. They were drafted in 2004, a year AJ went to the pro-bowl. DC's have been planning for AJ since his rookie year.

Honoring Earl 34
05-03-2010, 09:31 AM
Nope. AJ was drafted in 2003. They were drafted in 2004, a year AJ went to the pro-bowl. DC's have been planning for AJ since his rookie year.

I remember watching AJ come in 2nd in the NFL's fastest man contest in 2004 ( I thought he really won ) and thinking ... wow ... a guy that big can run like that .

Of course the battle cry from the Fresno mob was HWNSNBM needs weapons . At that point and time folks started asking how a guy who's 6'2 and 220 lbs and comes in 2nd in the NFL's fastest man not be considered a weapon .

maddogmrb
05-03-2010, 05:22 PM
Really? Because I think the seventh round is EXACTLY when you want to draft the best player available, because Dickerson had a near 3rd round draft tag by some and he fell to us in the seventh. If you're going to draft a project player in a position that you don't necessarily need, but they could develop into a good player in a few years, the seventh round is the place to do it.

AND HE'S GOING TO BE PLAYING WIDE RECEIVER.

He will play WR IF HE CAN MAKE THE TRANSITION!! How many 7th round TEs can transition successfully to WR??? I hope he does make it. But again, WR was not a weakness on this team and so it is basically a wasted pick.

Carr Bombed
05-03-2010, 05:32 PM
He will play WR IF HE CAN MAKE THE TRANSITION!! How many 7th round TEs can transition successfully to WR??? I hope he does make it. But again, WR was not a weakness on this team and so it is basically a wasted pick.

:rolleyes: He has the body type and athleticism to translate to a NFL WR. My god, do you actually think someone who weighs 220 pounds and runs a 4.4 is going to play TE in the NFL?

Also taking the best available player in the 7th round is NOT A WASTED PICK, drafting a player who isn't the best available player in the 7th round is a wasted pick, because when you get that deep in the draft if you aren't drafting the best available talent you're likely picking up a player who doesn't even have enough talent to make it in this league. Drafting the best available talent gives your team a better chance of actually finding a NFL FOOTBALL PLAYER in the 7th round of the draft. Also as far as how we shouldn't of drafted him, because "WR was not a weakness", well if the Saints did that, they wouldn't of had Maquies Colston who was also listed as a TE.

stingray
05-04-2010, 04:03 AM
He will play WR IF HE CAN MAKE THE TRANSITION!! How many 7th round TEs can transition successfully to WR??? I hope he does make it. But again, WR was not a weakness on this team and so it is basically a wasted pick.

Umm.. Marques Colston...

And you are arguing about a seventh round pick, dude... A SEVENTH ROUND PICK!!!!:gun:

HOU-TEX
05-04-2010, 08:41 AM
He will play WR IF HE CAN MAKE THE TRANSITION!! How many 7th round TEs can transition successfully to WR??? I hope he does make it. But again, WR was not a weakness on this team and so it is basically a wasted pick.

Dude, your logic is so jacked up here I'm not even sure why I'm responding. How many 7th rounders in general can make the transition to the NFL? This cat probably has just as much upside, if not more, than most players taken on the entire 3rd day.

They call it the "best player available" for a reason and from the looks of the Texans 3rd day that's what it was based on.

Honoring Earl 34
05-04-2010, 08:42 AM
Dude, your logic is so jacked up here I'm not even sure why I'm responding. How many 7th rounders in general can make the transition to the NFL? This cat probably has just as much upside, if not more, than most players taken on the entire 3rd day.

They call it the "best player available" for a reason and from the looks of the Texans 3rd day that's what it was based on.

It's like going to the dollar store looking for a nice gift to make a good impression .

At the very least , a guy with that size/speed should be hell on special teams .

HOU-TEX
05-04-2010, 08:44 AM
It's like going to the dollar store looking for a nice gift to make a good impression .

Heh, heh, nice analogy

BigBull17
05-04-2010, 02:43 PM
He will play WR IF HE CAN MAKE THE TRANSITION!! How many 7th round TEs can transition successfully to WR??? I hope he does make it. But again, WR was not a weakness on this team and so it is basically a wasted pick.

Drafting for need alone can really burn you. If you reach on a guy, and he isn't able to stick, you basically wasted that pick and have to burn another pick the next year. You cant ignore need, but you also cant ignore BPA and draft only for need. It is a balancing act.

buddyboy
05-04-2010, 02:56 PM
Drafting for need alone can really burn you. If you reach on a guy, and he isn't able to stick, you basically wasted that pick and have to burn another pick the next year. You cant ignore need, but you also cant ignore BPA and draft only for need. It is a balancing act.

I agree with you, but I also feel like as the rounds get higher (5th, 6th, 7th), BPA becomes more of the criteria since there's just less of a pool of legit NFL players out there.

I imagine in the 7th round you have a...let's say 1-100 shot that the player will start for you one day. If you're drafting for need, you might just ignore the best player available if he's at a position that you don't particularly need, and you'll miss out on that one player out of the pool of 100 that will actually make an impact. In early rounds, yes, the talent is there and need is a huge factor. In later rounds, BPA all the way please. I'd rather have a contributer from the 7th round at a position we don't particularly need than a complete wash-out at a position of need.

Carr Bombed
05-04-2010, 02:57 PM
Drafting for need alone can really burn you. If you reach on a guy, and he isn't able to stick, you basically wasted that pick and have to burn another pick the next year. You cant ignore need, but you also cant ignore BPA and draft only for need. It is a balancing act.

Drafting for need gave up a project teenage DT in the 1st round over studs like Patrick Willis and Darrelle Revis.

The Pencil Neck
05-04-2010, 02:59 PM
Drafting for need gave up a project teenage DT in the 1st round over studs like Patrick Willis and Darrelle Revis.

That's a bad example because on most boards, Amobi was BPA. He wasn't a "need" pick, he was a BPA pick who just happened to be at a position of need.

BigBull17
05-04-2010, 03:05 PM
Drafting for need gave up a project teenage DT in the 1st round over studs like Patrick Willis and Darrelle Revis.

God, we would be pretty sick huh? I was all over Wilis. Makes me sad.

GuerillaBlack
05-04-2010, 03:18 PM
We probably wouldn't have Cushing if we had Willis.

BigBull17
05-04-2010, 11:55 PM
We probably wouldn't have Cushing if we had Willis.

I know. I just really liked Wilis in that draft. Especially when he fell to us.

BigBull17
05-04-2010, 11:57 PM
I agree with you, but I also feel like as the rounds get higher (5th, 6th, 7th), BPA becomes more of the criteria since there's just less of a pool of legit NFL players out there.

I imagine in the 7th round you have a...let's say 1-100 shot that the player will start for you one day. If you're drafting for need, you might just ignore the best player available if he's at a position that you don't particularly need, and you'll miss out on that one player out of the pool of 100 that will actually make an impact. In early rounds, yes, the talent is there and need is a huge factor. In later rounds, BPA all the way please. I'd rather have a contributer from the 7th round at a position we don't particularly need than a complete wash-out at a position of need.

I agree. 6th and 7th round should never be anything but BPA