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ArlingtonTexan
04-24-2010, 11:38 AM
more defensive help

Austrian
04-24-2010, 11:39 AM
Mayock says he will likely be moved to FS.

edit: he said he could be moved.

Ryan
04-24-2010, 11:39 AM
Don't know much about him, but hopefully we can be a better DB than Bennett at least.

nytexan
04-24-2010, 11:42 AM
Conference: Big TenHT: 5-11 WT: 195 40 Time: 4.50
Biography: Three-year starter at cornerback and productive as a return specialist. All-Conference selection as a senior after totaling 37/5/7. Junior totals included 67 tackles and two interceptions. Averaged 23.2 yards on 31 kick returns as a sophomore in 2000 seven.

Positives: Adequately sized cornerback with a solid game. Fluid pedaling in reverse, smooth turning his hips and very quick transitioning to run downfield opponents. Shows ability backed off the line of scrimmage and possesses a good break to the ball out of his plant. Displays solid hands for the interception. Physical and will mix it up throughout routes. Wraps up tackling.

Negatives: Struggles getting off blocks and loses out in battles. Marginal top end speed and really does not show the ability to recover.

Analysis: McManis has been a solid player for Northwestern the past three seasons and offers possibilities as a dime back/return specialist at the next level. Lacks the great upside yet does enough things well to make an NFL team.

Projection: 6-7

With Tennant still on the board, C out of Boston College, I'm just confused with these picks. This looks like another reach

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 11:42 AM
http://twitter.com/DraftScout/status/12771732976

144 HOU CB Sherrick McManis, injury issues but a solid player for Northwestern, aggressive press corner

nytexan
04-24-2010, 11:44 AM
Conference: Big TenHT: 5-11 WT: 195 40 Time: 4.50
Biography: Three-year starter at cornerback and productive as a return specialist. All-Conference selection as a senior after totaling 37/5/7. Junior totals included 67 tackles and two interceptions. Averaged 23.2 yards on 31 kick returns as a sophomore in 2000 seven.

Positives: Adequately sized cornerback with a solid game. Fluid pedaling in reverse, smooth turning his hips and very quick transitioning to run downfield opponents. Shows ability backed off the line of scrimmage and possesses a good break to the ball out of his plant. Displays solid hands for the interception. Physical and will mix it up throughout routes. Wraps up tackling.

Negatives: Struggles getting off blocks and loses out in battles. Marginal top end speed and really does not show the ability to recover.

Analysis: McManis has been a solid player for Northwestern the past three seasons and offers possibilities as a dime back/return specialist at the next level. Lacks the great upside yet does enough things well to make an NFL team.

Projection: 6-7

With the center out of Boston College, Tennant still on the board, I'm confused again by this pick.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 11:47 AM
It won't matter if they don't generate a pass rush

bckey
04-24-2010, 11:49 AM
I'm not going to knock the players the Texans are taking but all of them after Ben Tate except for Garrett Graham seem to be a reach for the round we are picking in. They must have some ol and dl guys that they feel are going to be there in rounds 6 & 7 or go undrafted.

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 11:53 AM
I'm not going to knock the players the Texans are taking but all of them after Ben Tate except for Garrett Graham seem to be a reach for the round we are picking in. They must have some ol and dl guys that they feel are going to be there in rounds 6 & 7 or go undrafted.

A reach according to who?

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 11:54 AM
With Tennant still on the board, C out of Boston College, I'm just confused with these picks. This looks like another reach

"Reach" is defined in terms of comparing a professional draft board to the boards of a bunch of amateurs. Every board you're looking at that tells you where someone is projected is a non-professional board. Remember that.

All the boards that are on the internet projecting picks are boards where people are trying to figure out where guys will be drafted. If guys are not drafted there, it's because of failings in the boards that you're reading on the internet not necessarily failings in the 32 boards that really count.

The fact that Tennant is dropping this far tells you that NO ONE has liked him so far. So he's not as good (or as prized) as the amateurs thought.

drewmar74
04-24-2010, 11:58 AM
They must have some ol and dl guys that they feel are going to be there in rounds 6 & 7 or go undrafted.

I'm hoping this is the case.

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 12:04 PM
"Reach" is defined in terms of comparing a professional draft board to the boards of a bunch of amateurs. Every board you're looking at that tells you where someone is projected is a non-professional board. Remember that.

All the boards that are on the internet projecting picks are boards where people are trying to figure out where guys will be drafted. If guys are not drafted there, it's because of failings in the boards that you're reading on the internet not necessarily failings in the 32 boards that really count.

The fact that Tennant is dropping this far tells you that NO ONE has liked him so far. So he's not as good (or as prized) as the amateurs thought.

Thank you for having the patience to explain what I've been (poorly and angrily) trying to explain in my past 5 posts, ignorance is something that really grinds my gears.

Lucky
04-24-2010, 12:08 PM
The fact that Tennant is dropping this far tells you that NO ONE has liked him so far. So he's not as good (or as prized) as the amateurs thought.
Or has injury or character concerns that fans aren't privileged to. There's a lot of information out there. But, not all. And NFL teams have it all.

TexansFight
04-24-2010, 12:13 PM
The complete neglect of the S position with the Simithiak regime just pisses me off. It's frigging ridiculous. We were gifted Bernie Pollard last year otherwise we would have had the worst Safeties in the NFL. My God, Busing was forced to start after Eugene Wilson got hurt. That guy couldn't cover a paper bag.

gtexan02
04-24-2010, 12:19 PM
How do you know this guy isn't going to be a converted safety?

JimC
04-24-2010, 12:21 PM
The complete neglect of the S position with the Simithiak regime just pisses me off. It's frigging ridiculous. We were gifted Bernie Pollard last year otherwise we would have had the worst Safeties in the NFL. My God, Busing was forced to start after Eugene Wilson got hurt. That guy couldn't cover a paper bag.

I'm convinced we'll take a FS in the first two rounds next year. This year, all of the quality FS prospects were gone by the end of the 3rd round, and no one available in the 4th would be "the answer" at FS. None of them would be likely to beat out Wilson.

If you have to choose between weakness at CB, RB, DT or FS I think FS is the position that gets put off.

Next year, I think they'll draft FS in the first two rounds and C, G and/or OT in the first 3 rounds, depending upon available talent. Next year will be their first opportunity to draft upgrades instead of filling holes.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 12:25 PM
I'm convinced we'll take a FS in the first two rounds next year. This year, all of the quality FS prospects were gone by the end of the 3rd round, and no one available in the 4th would be "the answer" at FS. None of them would be likely to beat out Wilson.

If you have to choose between weakness at CB, RB, DT or FS I think FS is the position that gets put off.

Next year, I think they'll draft FS in the first two rounds and C, G and/or OT in the first 3 rounds, depending upon available talent. Next year will be their first opportunity to draft upgrades instead of filling holes.

I think we have to wait and see what develops before we talk about what we're drafting next year.

With Wilson, we've got some time to try to develop someone. That someone may already be on the squad (or at least picked.) McMannis could be our FS of the future, or it could be Troy Nolan or Brice McCain. We need to wait and see how this falls out.

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 01:02 PM
I'm convinced we'll take a FS in the first two rounds next year. This year, all of the quality FS prospects were gone by the end of the 3rd round, and no one available in the 4th would be "the answer" at FS. None of them would be likely to beat out Wilson.

If you have to choose between weakness at CB, RB, DT or FS I think FS is the position that gets put off.

Next year, I think they'll draft FS in the first two rounds and C, G and/or OT in the first 3 rounds, depending upon available talent. Next year will be their first opportunity to draft upgrades instead of filling holes.

People said this last year also... methinks this organization is not willing to spend a premium pick on the safety position. They are confident in their ability to find players on the street and in late rounds. The top 3 safeties on the roster: Bernard Pollard and Eugene Wilson (street), Domonique Barber (6th round pick).

They will draft CBs like nobodies business but feel they can find capable players at safety without spending premium draft capital.

GP
04-24-2010, 01:08 PM
Take THAT, Cortland Finnegan!

Now we have our very own fake Irishman. :goodluck:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nw/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/3327903.jpeg

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 01:11 PM
People said this last year also... methinks this organization is not willing to spend a premium pick on the safety position. They are confident in their ability to find players on the street and in late rounds. The top 3 safeties on the roster: Bernard Pollard and Eugene Wilson (street), Domonique Barber (6th round pick).

They will draft CBs like nobodies business but feel they can find capable players at safety without spending premium draft capital.

Everybody also said that this organization is unwilling to take a RB with a high pick. I don't think there is any position that this organization is willing to look at, I just think that they aren't willing to pick players that simply play in the position of need. They have proven that they will skip over players that are the more popular pick to go with guys that have character and fit into their system.

ArlingtonTexan
04-24-2010, 01:21 PM
Everybody also said that this organization is unwilling to take a RB with a high pick. I don't think there is any position that this organization is willing to look at, I just think that they aren't willing to pick players that simply play in the position of need. They have proven that they will skip over players that are the more popular pick to go with guys that have character and fit into their system.

And a lot of this is the difference between building a roster and fixing a roster. We fans get caught into fixing problems and often can't see the puzzle parts the team is working on.

bckey
04-24-2010, 01:26 PM
And a lot of this is the difference between building a roster and fixing a roster. We fans get caught into fixing problems and often can't see the puzzle parts the team is working on.

I'm not so sure Smith and Kubiak can either. Seems like they keep trying to put square pegs into round holes.

ArlingtonTexan
04-24-2010, 01:35 PM
I'm not so sure Smith and Kubiak can either. Seems like they keep trying to put square pegs into round holes.

Actually I don't think so. I think their issue more the opposite being extremely locked into systems and prototypes for that system.

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 01:36 PM
Everybody also said that this organization is unwilling to take a RB with a high pick. I don't think there is any position that this organization is willing to look at, I just think that they aren't willing to pick players that simply play in the position of need. They have proven that they will skip over players that are the more popular pick to go with guys that have character and fit into their system.

Who said that? Kubiak's first year he tried to trade back into the 1st round for Deangelo Williams. 2008 spend a 3rd on Slaton, 2010 2nd on Tate (which was no secret they would target RB early).

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 03:47 PM
Dang it, they said he is a corner. FS is nothing now.

Spled
04-24-2010, 03:52 PM
He's another guy who's got a lot of experience against quality teams.

TimeKiller
04-24-2010, 03:52 PM
Just shy of the Smithiak CB mold of 6' 200 lbs. guys. Mid-late round guy. Smaller school. Yup.

Bennett can open up his very own toast shop now. Maybe he'll hire Molden.

If we're moving anyone to FS I want to see it be McCain. That guy is fast, fast, fast and seems to cover well already.

CB depth now?
Jackson
Quin
Reeves
McCain
McMannis
Bennett/Molden

Reeves and Quin start until Jackson is deemed ready to start...likely Quin/Jackson CB with reeves the nickel? I like that. McCain the dime, nice. Ben(ch)nett and Mo(sucks haha)lden don't even care what happens to 'em.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 03:56 PM
Just shy of the Smithiak CB mold of 6' 200 lbs. guys. Mid-late round guy. Smaller school. Yup.

Bennett can open up his very own toast shop now. Maybe he'll hire Molden.

If we're moving anyone to FS I want to see it be McCain. That guy is fast, fast, fast and seems to cover well already.

CB depth now?
Jackson
Quin
Reeves
McCain
McMannis
Bennett/Molden

Reeves and Quin start until Jackson is deemed ready to start...likely Quin/Jackson CB with reeves the nickel? I like that. McCain the dime, nice. Ben(ch)nett and Mo(sucks haha)lden don't even care what happens to 'em.

On the Nickel it will be Reeves and Jackson outside with the physical Quin inside.

JCTexan
04-24-2010, 04:00 PM
"Reach" is defined in terms of comparing a professional draft board to the boards of a bunch of amateurs. Every board you're looking at that tells you where someone is projected is a non-professional board. Remember that.

All the boards that are on the internet projecting picks are boards where people are trying to figure out where guys will be drafted. If guys are not drafted there, it's because of failings in the boards that you're reading on the internet not necessarily failings in the 32 boards that really count.

The fact that Tennant is dropping this far tells you that NO ONE has liked him so far. So he's not as good (or as prized) as the amateurs thought.

Exactly. Which is why I try not to make such a huge deal when I disagree with one of the Texans picks. They have spent months evaluating each and every player, while I form my opinion based on what I read over the internet. Rep to you.

dalemurphy
04-24-2010, 04:20 PM
Dang it, they said he is a corner. FS is nothing now.

We had better keep Bret Favre away from Eugene Wilson's knees!

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 04:24 PM
Via Mike Mayock NFL.com

http://chat.nfl.com/front/index/883


McManis is a three-year starter from Northwestern with average speed that may project him inside to free safety. He had nine career INTs and adds value in the kick return game. Houston needs depth on the back end of their defense, and McManis is versitle enough to answer several needs.

TheRealJoker
04-25-2010, 12:46 AM
Nice hands!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__9xggS5LE0&feature=related

Goldensilence
04-25-2010, 11:41 AM
Just shy of the Smithiak CB mold of 6' 200 lbs. guys. Mid-late round guy. Smaller school. Yup.

Bennett can open up his very own toast shop now. Maybe he'll hire Molden.

If we're moving anyone to FS I want to see it be McCain. That guy is fast, fast, fast and seems to cover well already.

CB depth now?
Jackson
Quin
Reeves
McCain
McMannis
Bennett/Molden

Reeves and Quin start until Jackson is deemed ready to start...likely Quin/Jackson CB with reeves the nickel? I like that. McCain the dime, nice. Ben(ch)nett and Mo(sucks haha)lden don't even care what happens to 'em.

Just not sure McCain has the size you typically want in a FS. Certainly has the speed and can cover decently.

I think they'll likely ask Molden or Bennett to try and move to FS. Didn't like the Molden pick from day one. At least Gary and Rick didn't go after another small school project high.

Pocky
04-25-2010, 11:52 AM
Just not sure McCain has the size you typically want in a FS. Certainly has the speed and can cover decently.

I think they'll likely ask Molden or Bennett to try and move to FS. Didn't like the Molden pick from day one. At least Gary and Rick didn't go after another small school project high.

Not small school the last two draft, but they're still going after project players.

2007 3rd round- Jacoby Jones - Took him 2 year, but he broke out last year.

2008 3rd round - Antwaun Molden - Was a special team ace rookie year, freak injuries last two years. Can't blame Kubiak or Smith nor Molden for it.

2009 2nd round - Connor Barwin - Explosive player. Looks real promising as DE.

2010 3rd round - Earl Mitchell - Have only played DT in college for two years. We'll see how this works out.

threetoedpete
04-25-2010, 01:45 PM
I'm not going to knock the players the Texans are taking but all of them after Ben Tate except for Garrett Graham seem to be a reach for the round we are picking in. They must have some ol and dl guys that they feel are going to be there in rounds 6 & 7 or go undrafted.

Or, our scouts have done an incredible job of finding players who fit what they want. Only guy I remember being talked up in here is Holiday by beerlover. But Earl Mitchell appears to have all the attributes of what they want in a DT. We'll get hammered by the guru's this week on the draft grades. However if they contribute and get us off to a five and one start, WTF does it matter ? Earl Mitchell is a weapon of mass destruction aimed straight at Payton Manning.

Jackie Chiles
04-25-2010, 01:59 PM
I like this guys production the past two years. 19 passes defensed and 7 picks. Missed some games his senior year battling injuries but still the defensive MVP. Co-captain. Looks like hes not afraid to hit. A lot of similarities to Glover.

BigBull17
04-25-2010, 04:06 PM
People said this last year also... methinks this organization is not willing to spend a premium pick on the safety position. They are confident in their ability to find players on the street and in late rounds. The top 3 safeties on the roster: Bernard Pollard and Eugene Wilson (street), Domonique Barber (6th round pick).

They will draft CBs like nobodies business but feel they can find capable players at safety without spending premium draft capital.

They don't feel Fs is a true blue need on this team.

beerlover
04-25-2010, 11:54 PM
they still have a need to backfill in the secondary. not sure excatly about Sherrick but trust the dollars spent by this scouting department warrented.

maddogmrb
04-26-2010, 09:17 AM
Okay pick, although we already addressed the CB need. But we're such an awesome NFL defense that we can afford to draft a project that "might" work in a move to FS, instead of just drafting a FS.

steelbtexan
04-26-2010, 09:36 AM
I'm convinced we'll take a FS in the first two rounds next year. This year, all of the quality FS prospects were gone by the end of the 3rd round, and no one available in the 4th would be "the answer" at FS. None of them would be likely to beat out Wilson.

If you have to choose between weakness at CB, RB, DT or FS I think FS is the position that gets put off.

Next year, I think they'll draft FS in the first two rounds and C, G and/or OT in the first 3 rounds, depending upon available talent. Next year will be their first opportunity to draft upgrades instead of filling holes.

Which is why I advocated trading back into the 3rd rd again by using the two 4th rd picks (Graham,Sharpton) and taking either Burnett or Wright.

That way there might be less depth at LB (Where the depth is already decent) or TE. (Same) If Wilson or Pollard go down are you really looking forward to watching a Busing type S get major PT?

The thought of that happening again makes me nervous.

Blake
04-26-2010, 09:44 AM
Okay pick, although we already addressed the CB need. But we're such an awesome NFL defense that we can afford to draft a project that "might" work in a move to FS, instead of just drafting a FS.

He isnt a FS project. He is a corner who is going to compete for the nickel spot. Swing and a miss.

TimeKiller
04-26-2010, 12:29 PM
Just not sure McCain has the size you typically want in a FS. Certainly has the speed and can cover decently.

I think they'll likely ask Molden or Bennett to try and move to FS. Didn't like the Molden pick from day one. At least Gary and Rick didn't go after another small school project high.

After Mario, Smith, Ryans, Cushing, Diles, Quin and Pollard I'm not too worried about him having to make all kinds of tackles. What I see is a guy who can possibly take away the deep field from opposing offenses, protect CBs when they get beat.

If I had a pick it would be Molden. It's not like he's learned anything as a corner budum pssshhhh!!! Whatever, he'll have to do something because special teams gunner isn't a position, it's a title.

Rey
04-27-2010, 01:17 PM
Sherrick McManis, CB, Northwestern
Fifth round (144th overall)

Strahm: "5-11, 190, 4.5. Richmond High School in Peoria, Ill. Captain. 3.0 GPA. Has his degree. Three-year starter. He's got excellent measureables. Had some injury issues this season, which knocked him down in the draft, but we see a tremendous upside with his potential and his ability. Is very tough in his style of play. He's got very good ball skills. We see him as having nickel back potential for us. He loves contact. Very versatile player. We see a big upside with this kid."


http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6136

beerlover
04-27-2010, 09:23 PM
Northwestern is not that well covered in these parts so I'm guessing this is at least one for the scouting department. key word I keep reading when it comes to corners is versatility, the ability to play multiple positions adds value to a prospects draft grade. doesn't hurt he is built & looks a little like Asomugha either. the fact he is first & foremost a press corner makes alot of sense to select him in the 5th rd. I knew there had to be someone out there to grade this high but didn't have the time or resources to locate, could really develop into a quality player for the Texans.

TheRealJoker
04-28-2010, 12:00 AM
Northwestern had a good team this past season. They were similar to the Texans in that they let a few games slip away due to their own mental mistakes but when they're on top of their game they were as good as anyone in the Big 10. As evidenced by their victory over Iowa.

Sherrick has to be a good player if he was one of their captains and a three year starter.

Honoring Earl 34
04-30-2010, 09:47 AM
Northwestern had a good team this past season. They were similar to the Texans in that they let a few games slip away due to their own mental mistakes but when they're on top of their game they were as good as anyone in the Big 10. As evidenced by their victory over Iowa.

Sherrick has to be a good player if he was one of their captains and a three year starter.

I've been reading a little on him and have come to the conclusion that he didn't have a chance to audition his talents . He pulled a hammy early in the east/west practices , then pulled a quad at his pro day . The only thing he did was the bench press at the combine . What happens if he hit a 4.39 at the combine with a 39 inch vertical ?

To me the Texans took a chance on a guy with some credentials . Reading the Texans method to madness , they took chances on players with high ceilings as opposed to drafting a need guy with a much lower ceiling .

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79226&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB

HOU-TEX
04-30-2010, 10:13 AM
A HOU-TEX random comment: At least we got players with cool names......well....except Shelley.

Ben Tate
Kareem
Sherrick
Dorin Dickerson = DD
Garrett Graham = GG
Sharpton
Trindon
Earl "Tha Mitch" Mitchell

then there's

Shelley Smith? The dude's gotta be a tough SOB having grown up with that name

infantrycak
04-30-2010, 12:16 PM
A HOU-TEX random comment: At least we got players with cool names......well....except Shelley.

Except Kareem's nickname is Coco. When I hear that I expect to look over and see Bill reflexively pulling a dollar bill out.

HOU-TEX
04-30-2010, 12:36 PM
Except Kareem's nickname is Coco. When I hear that I expect to look over and see Bill reflexively pulling a dollar bill out.

:lol: Definitely!

*edit* I was going to Rep ya, but for the love of Pete!! I'm jealous of the Rep you've aquired. lol. jk

GP
05-02-2010, 09:24 AM
Shelley Smith? The dude's gotta be a tough SOB having grown up with that name

LOL. So true.

dalemurphy
05-05-2010, 09:10 AM
Frank Bush sounds very high on Sherrick McManis. He's going to immediately compete for playing time on the defense... at least, that's what they think right now.

Shaft75
05-07-2010, 03:08 PM
You have gotta watch his INT at the 3:15 mark. What a play that was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbrKvJ8Kx-Q