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El Tejano
04-23-2010, 10:49 PM
Who's left and who do we take?

I would like Matt Tenant C Boston College, or Reshad Jones FS/SS George with our first 4th rounder.

Then we can go with Marshall Newhouse G TCU, Lagarrett Blount RB Oregon, the Hernandez kid TE from Florida, or even Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB IPA with our late 4th rounder.

Brandon Deaderick DT Alabama, Justin Woodall S Alabama, David Pender CB Purdue, Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin in the 5th

Lamarcus Coker RB Hampton, Myron Rolle S Florida St. with our first 6th

John Skelton QB Fordham, with our last 6th or 7th pick.

JB
04-23-2010, 10:53 PM
I would like to spend our two 4th's on Haynesworth

awtysst
04-23-2010, 10:58 PM
I would like to spend our two 4th's on Haynesworth

I don't get the fascination with Haynesworth. He does not play full seasons, takes plays off, and unless he is playing for a 1 year contract he is not that special. Do we really want a guy who may give us 12 games a year?

The Pencil Neck
04-23-2010, 11:23 PM
I'd love for us to pick up some interior OL here. I'd like to get either Reshad Jones or Robert Johnson but I wonder if we need to nab the FS with our 1st or 2nd pick in the 4th.

There're just so many options still available.

stingray
04-23-2010, 11:30 PM
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah FTW!!!

steelbtexan
04-23-2010, 11:43 PM
I don't get the fascination with Haynesworth. He does not play full seasons, takes plays off, and unless he is playing for a 1 year contract he is not that special. Do we really want a guy who may give us 12 games a year?

Agreed

Even with his warts Big Al would still be the best DT in Texans history.

That tells you the Texans cant pick a DT to save their lives. Give me a proven Big Al over a Smithiak DT draft pick any day and twice on Sunday.

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2010, 12:07 AM
AOA, Tennant, Petrus, Campbell, Rolle, R. Jones, R. Johnson...lots of guys. We will get players in the next three picks that will make the roster IMO.

Pocky
04-24-2010, 12:15 AM
Scott Wright's BPA list: (http://www.draftcountdown.com/Results/Best-Day-Three.php)

1. Everson Griffen, DE, Southern Cal
2. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
3. Corey Wootton, DE, Northwestern
4. Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
5. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati
6. Eric Norwood, OLB, South Carolina
7. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana (PA)
8. Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida
9. Joe McKnight, RB, Southern Cal
10. Jamar Chaney, ILB, Mississippi State
11. Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma State
12. Dennis Pitta, TE, Brigham Young
13. Cam Thomas, DT, North Carolina
14. Riley Cooper, WR, Florida
15. Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh
16. Dominique Franks, CB, Oklahoma
17. Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia
18. Carlton Mitchell, WR, South Florida
19. Al Woods, DT, Louisiana State
20. Reshad Jones, S, Georgia
21. Arthur Jones, DT, Syracuse
22. Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss
23. Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson
24. Geno Atkins, DT, Georgia
25. Thaddeus Gibson, OLB, Ohio State
26. Tony Pike, QB, Cincinnati
27. Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian
28. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech
29. Marcus Easley, WR, Connecticut
30. C.J. Wilson, DE, East Carolina
31. Jason Fox, OT, Miami (FL)
32. Mike Williams, WR, Syracuse

Pocky
04-24-2010, 12:26 AM
Like the write on Miami's OT, John Fox (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OT/Jason-Fox.php):

Strengths:
A large frame with long arms --- Very Athletic --- Nimble Feet --- Able to slide and mirror --- Good balance and agility --- Technically sound and understands positioning, angles and leverage --- Mobile with the ability to work in space and get to the second level --- Flashes a nasty temperament --- Smart with nice awareness and instincts --- Offers some versatility --- Hard Worker --- Has a lot of high-quality experience.

Weaknesses:
Just average bulk --- Must get stronger --- Is not real powerful --- Not overly stout at the point of attack --- Won't get a huge push in the run game --- Lacks a violent initial punch --- Some health / durability issues.

Notes:
Was a four-year starter for the Hurricanes --- Named 1st Team All-ACC in 2009 --- Served as a team captain --- Also played tight end in high school --- Missed one game in 2006 with a dislocated elbow --- Missed one game in 2008 with a sprained ankle --- 2009 season was cut short by an irregular heartbeat and a knee injury that required surgery --- Is capable of playing tackle, guard or perhaps even center --- Profiles as a potential starter at the next level and best fit will likely come in a zone blocking scheme --- Similar in many ways to former 'Cane Eric Winston.

sounds like a Smith/Kubiak type of pick. Seems like he should've gone higher. Health concerns making him fall?

BattleRedToro
04-24-2010, 12:32 AM
Greg Hardy is intriguing to me as a later pick. He has 1st or 2nd Round talent but has had some injury problems. If he can stay healthy he could be a steal. Of course, I know that is a big IF.

threetoedpete
04-24-2010, 05:57 AM
Scott Wright's BPA list: (http://www.draftcountdown.com/Results/Best-Day-Three.php)

1. Everson Griffen, DE, Southern Cal
2. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
3. Corey Wootton, DE, Northwestern
4. Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
5. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati
6. Eric Norwood, OLB, South Carolina
7. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana (PA)
8. Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida
9. Joe McKnight, RB, Southern Cal
10. Jamar Chaney, ILB, Mississippi State
11. Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma State
12. Dennis Pitta, TE, Brigham Young
13. Cam Thomas, DT, North Carolina
14. Riley Cooper, WR, Florida
15. Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh
16. Dominique Franks, CB, Oklahoma
17. Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia
18. Carlton Mitchell, WR, South Florida
19. Al Woods, DT, Louisiana State
20. Reshad Jones, S, Georgia
21. Arthur Jones, DT, Syracuse
22. Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss
23. Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson
24. Geno Atkins, DT, Georgia
25. Thaddeus Gibson, OLB, Ohio State
26. Tony Pike, QB, Cincinnati
27. Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian
28. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech
29. Marcus Easley, WR, Connecticut
30. C.J. Wilson, DE, East Carolina
31. Jason Fox, OT, Miami (FL)
32. Mike Williams, WR, Syracuse

Round Four

1 (99) St. Louis
2 (100) Minnesota (from Detroit)
3 (101) Tampa Bay
4 (102) Houston (from Kansas City)
5 (103) Washington
6 (104) Seattle
7 (105) Philadelphia (from Cleveland)
8 (106) Oakland
9 (107) Buffalo
10 (108) Jacksonville
11 (109) Chicago
12 (110) San Diego (from Miami)
13 (111) Tennessee
14 (112) Carolina
15 (113) New England (from San Francisco through Denver)
16 (114) Baltimore (from Denver)
17 (115) New York Giants
18 (116) Pittsburgh
19 (117) Atlanta
20 (118) Houston
21 (119) Dallas (from New England)
22 (120) Cincinnati
23 (121) Philadelphia
24 (122) Philadelphia (from Green Bay)
25 (123) Arizona (from Baltimore)
26 (124) New York Jets (from Arizona)
27 (125) Philadelphia (from Dallas)
28 (126) Miami (from San Diego)
29 (127) Seattle (from New York Jets through Philadelphia)
30 (128) Detroit (from Minnesota)
31 (129) Indianapolis
32 (130) New Orleans
33 (131) Cincinnati (compensatory selection)

threetoedpete
04-24-2010, 05:58 AM
7. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana (PA)
8. Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida

great value picks there

threetoedpete
04-24-2010, 05:59 AM
18. Carlton Mitchell, WR, South Florida

two year groomer for the # 1 or #2 wr slot.

13. Cam Thomas, DT, North Carolina

a road block

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2010, 06:04 AM
7. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana (PA)
8. Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida

great value picks there

18. Carlton Mitchell, WR, South Florida

two year groomer for the # 1 or #2 wr slot.

13. Cam Thomas, DT, North Carolina

a road block

I am aboard with those.

threetoedpete
04-24-2010, 06:43 AM
I'd love for us to pick up some interior OL here. I'd like to get either Reshad Jones or Robert Johnson but I wonder if we need to nab the FS with our 1st or 2nd pick in the 4th.

There're just so many options still available.

well more than one way to skin a cat fish.

With Alan Faneca being shopped and likely to be cut, Ducasse could be plugged in readily at the left guard position and help establish a more powerful ground attack. Ducasse has long arms, good feet and power in his body and can move defenders off the line of scrimmage. He could be groomed inside for a year and eventually replace Damien Woody.

threetoedpete
04-24-2010, 06:48 AM
I am aboard with those.

there's got to be something medical on Hernandez for him to last this long. Several interesting TE prospects. We don't really need them but they are out there.



comprehensive list via Pro football Weekley:
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/04/22/highest-rated-players-remaining

Thorn
04-24-2010, 07:54 AM
What time does this begin? I'm going to be on the road today.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 07:55 AM
I'm wondering why Campbell is still available....?

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 07:55 AM
What time does this begin? I'm going to be on the road today.

9:00 am CDT

Thorn
04-24-2010, 07:58 AM
9:00 am CDT

I'll still be around for the 1st pick in the 4th then. Unless they trade again. LOL

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 08:14 AM
Round Four

1 (99) St. Louis
2 (100) Minnesota (from Detroit)
3 (101) Tampa Bay
4 (102) Houston (from Kansas City)
5 (103) Washington
6 (104) Seattle
7 (105) Philadelphia (from Cleveland)
8 (106) Oakland
9 (107) Buffalo
10 (108) Jacksonville
11 (109) Chicago
12 (110) San Diego (from Miami)
13 (111) Tennessee
14 (112) Carolina
15 (113) New England (from San Francisco through Denver)
16 (114) Baltimore (from Denver)
17 (115) New York Giants
18 (116) Pittsburgh
19 (117) Atlanta
20 (118) Houston
21 (119) Dallas (from New England)
22 (120) Cincinnati
23 (121) Philadelphia
24 (122) Philadelphia (from Green Bay)
25 (123) Arizona (from Baltimore)
26 (124) New York Jets (from Arizona)
27 (125) Philadelphia (from Dallas)
28 (126) Miami (from San Diego)
29 (127) Seattle (from New York Jets through Philadelphia)
30 (128) Detroit (from Minnesota)
31 (129) Indianapolis
32 (130) New Orleans
33 (131) Cincinnati (compensatory selection)

St. Louis has already snagged an OT
Minnesota's line is solid already
Tampa might grab him, but if not....

...do we take Campbell??

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 08:16 AM
Dominique Franks
Perrish Cox
Arthur Jones
Geno Atkins
Jonathon Dwyer
AOA
Matt Tennant
Kam Chancellor
Donovan Warren
Mitch Petrus

Here is my list of players to go get this round.

I know we'd be doubling up in some areas but you know, throw it at the wall and see if it sticks.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 08:17 AM
Well 4th round you can start looking at projects, so Campbell comes into the equation.

If we can get a S who can play in this round and then get a upside pick to develop I think we'd have done good.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 08:18 AM
I'd like to add debth to the O-line and FS or CB positions if the right guys are avaliable.

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 08:21 AM
we should be getting our safety next. then go BPA

IBleedTexans
04-24-2010, 08:21 AM
Dominique Franks
Perrish Cox
Arthur Jones
Geno Atkins
Jonathon Dwyer
AOA
Matt Tennant
Kam Chancellor
Donovan Warren
Mitch Petrus

Here is my list of players to go get this round.

I know we'd be doubling up in some areas but you know, throw it at the wall and see if it sticks.


I'm really hoping we pick up either perrish or Warren with our first pick then trade our 5th and 6th for a mid 4th . If we do that to me our draft will be a well played draft by me. But what do u know I'm no draft expert.

LikeMike
04-24-2010, 08:26 AM
IŽd be really fine with Campbell! That dude is an atheltic freak and was projected as a potential first round pick... I guess he has some issues, and might be a project, but I think you can take a little gamble with a 4th.

DB would be another position IŽd adress here. A lot of CBs are said to be potential safeties, so IŽd just take the best DB available here... several interesting guys like Franks, AOA or Warren are still on the board.

Perhaps a Center like Tennant later?

Thorn
04-24-2010, 08:29 AM
Man, every time someone mentions Bruce Campbell all I can think of is the Evil Dead movies. LOL

Maybe if we can tie a chain saw to his arm he'd clear a nice hole for Slate 'n Tate.

Lucky
04-24-2010, 08:30 AM
Some guys who have been linked to the Texans:

Robert Johnson - FS - Utah
Robert McClain - CB - UConn
Erik Cook - C- New Mexico
LaMarcus Coker - RB - Hampton

Cook (whose brother Ryan in a NFL lineman) is an interesting prospect in that he has played all 3 o-line spots. At 6'6", Erik might be too tall to play Center in the NFL. But, he would be valuable backup, with his versatility.

One guy I like later in the draft is Oklahoma's Brian Jackson. Like Eugene Wilson, he is a college CB who's lack of top speed will likely force a move to FS. I think Jackson is another guy who's versatility would serve well on a 53 man roster.

BattleRedToro
04-24-2010, 08:32 AM
Man, every time someone mentions Bruce Campbell all I can think of is the Evil Dead movies. LOL

Maybe if we can tie a chain saw to his arm he'd clear a nice hole for Slate 'n Tate.

Shop smart, shop S-Mart! Got that?

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 08:36 AM
Dominique Franks. . .CB, Okla. (7.4)
Perrish Cox . . . . .CB, Okla.St. (6.9)
Arthur Jones. . . . .DT, Syracuse (6.7)
Geno Atkins . . . . .DT, Georgia (5.6)
Jonathon Dwyer. . . .RB, Ga. Tech (7.1)
AOA
Matt Tennant. . . . .OC, Boston College (2.6)
Kam Chancellor. . . .FS, Va. Tech (6.0)
Donovan Warren. . . .CB, Michigan (7.0)
Mitch Petrus. . . . .OG, Arkansas (2.9)

Here is my list of players to go get this round.

I know we'd be doubling up in some areas but you know, throw it at the wall and see if it sticks.

not being familiar with college guys I had to go look these dudes up
nlf.com rating in parenthesis but I'm still not sure that rating means

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 08:38 AM
Am I the only one who thinks the NFLN has become the Mack Brown show..??
LOL

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 08:59 AM
not being familiar with college guys I had to go look these dudes up
nlf.com rating in parenthesis but I'm still not sure that rating means

The higher the number the better I am assuming....

Although not sure what is up with Tennant getting such a low number.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:03 AM
It's back!

I love the draft... 4 round of goodness coming up.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 09:05 AM
Cool. NFL.com is back to live coverage this morning on their web site.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 09:05 AM
It's back!

I love the draft... 4 round of goodness coming up.

I just need somewhere to send the wife .

hot pickle
04-24-2010, 09:06 AM
wow mike mayok is earning his pay check lol

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 09:06 AM
http://media.filmschoolrejects.com/images/ledger-joker1.jpg
and
here
we
GO

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:06 AM
I'm wife free here at the hospital with Aria.... thank goodness for free wi-fi at hospital.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 09:07 AM
wow mike mayok is earning his pay check lol

man he sounds like hell

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:07 AM
Gilyard is good value here in the 4th.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:11 AM
Griffen finally off the boards.... biggest loser of the draft.

keyser
04-24-2010, 09:12 AM
Griffen finally goes. I feel kind of bad for these guys who thought they might go on day 1 and drop into the 4th...

Ole Miss Texan
04-24-2010, 09:13 AM
Jason Fox, Adam Ulatoski, Mitch Petrus
Jonathan Dwyer, Charles Scott
Jay Ross, Geno Atkins
AOA, Brian Jackson
Aaron Hernandez, Kerry Meier

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:13 AM
I'm starting to feel Bruce Campbell here as a project.

hot pickle
04-24-2010, 09:14 AM
myron rolle!!!!! no? lol

Thorn
04-24-2010, 09:15 AM
We're up!!!!

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:16 AM
myron rolle!!!!! no? lol

I'd take him.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 09:16 AM
Lets see what the Texans do here. That 3rd round pick really shook me (and the second thing was just ok), they need to have a good day to make up for it.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:17 AM
Pick is in

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 09:18 AM
Meh. unimpressed.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 09:18 AM
a linebacker?????

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:18 AM
What!|?!?!?!

Do not like

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 09:19 AM
Yep. Small, slow. Rated by most to be a 6th or 7th round player. This draft is painful for me to watch.

TexanBacker93
04-24-2010, 09:20 AM
Interesting pick considering LB seems to be an area of strength. I guess they weren't all that impressed with the top interior linemen or safeties available right now.

Porky
04-24-2010, 09:20 AM
Ok that's two picks in a row I don't get. I at least got the position, if not the player, in round 3 but why pick an ILB who didn't present over-whelming value? In these rounds, we need to be all about the value. Maybe he will suprise and do well, but it isn't like he is unseating Ryans anytime soon, and Bently is a competent backup.

Again, I don't get it.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:21 AM
Versatile LB, good character guy like the Texans like but still what about FS and OL!

Thorn
04-24-2010, 09:21 AM
found this on him:

Darryl Sharpton is one of those guys who doesn't look very good on paper, but when you watch him on the field, it's hard not to be impressed with the guy. Sharpton is undersized, and doesn't have ideal straight line speed (4.78). He also needs some coaching, he needs to better recognize offensive sets, and be more confident with his reads, as he is often late to the play. Also needs to be coached on wrapping up on his tackles better. As mentioned he looks much better on the field than he does on paper, he is quicker than he is fast, is very physical, and does a very good job in coverage. Sharpton's best fit could be in a cover 2 defense, where he will play a lot of zone coverage, and take on fewer blockers, but has experience playing all 3 linebacker positions in a 4-3 defense. Part of the reason why I like Sharpton is because most of his flaws are things that can be fixed with N.F.L level coaching. At the very least, Sharpton will be an effective special teamer. He is a mid round prospect, should go about round 4.

keyser
04-24-2010, 09:21 AM
Really??? Of all the positions we could use, we get an inside linebacker?

I really hope the Texans' front office knows something that all of the scouting sites don't. Again. I'm serious here - they seem to be picking folks that were "ranked" quite a bit below the spot the Texans took them at. In some cases, you can justify it based on need, but I really don't see how this was one of our needs.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 09:21 AM
Mike LB depth? Maybe special teams player? This is the first Texans pick, I don't quite get this year.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 09:22 AM
special teamer

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 09:22 AM
Mike LB depth? Maybe special teams player? This is the first Texans pick, I don't quite get this year.

You understood the Mitchell pick? I understand the position, but not the player.

For me, this is two bad picks in a row.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 09:23 AM
Versatile LB, good character guy like the Texans like but still what about FS and OL!

Really. We're good at LB. There must be something they like about him.

TexanBacker93
04-24-2010, 09:23 AM
Yep. Small, slow. Rated by most to be a 6th or 7th round player. This draft is painful for me to watch.

The ones I have seen list him as a 4th or 5th rounder. I don't think he's a reach in this round. I just didn't see him as a need. At this point, though, you pick BPA. He's obviously the top guy on their board.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 09:24 AM
wow... Lendale White for a 4th

stingray
04-24-2010, 09:25 AM
Lendale White just got traded to the Seahawks.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:26 AM
Nephew of Rev. Al Sharpton.

phantom17
04-24-2010, 09:26 AM
Nephew of the Rev. Al Sharpton

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 09:28 AM
The ones I have seen list him as a 4th or 5th rounder. I don't think he's a reach in this round. I just didn't see him as a need. At this point, though, you pick BPA. He's obviously the top guy on their board.

He is a reach when you see the players on the board at positions of need. This was a bad, bad pick. This is the first year where I am negative on the draft, and I dont like the feeling.

This guy is a special teamer. That is it. Too slow to move outside. Wont beat Ryans to start in the middle. We could have taken a backup later in the draft, and taken a FS here.

Lucky
04-24-2010, 09:28 AM
Sharpton has started at every linebacker position for the Canes. The Texans needed some depth at LB, and Sharpton looks like a Diles clone. 4th round? Maybe there were few LBs the Texans liked, so the felt they had to take Sharpton now. Still a lot of FS types left, as well as interior linemen. I'm not going to get bent out of shape over this pick.

Porky
04-24-2010, 09:28 AM
FWIW, Prisco gives the pick a solid B and says:

Analysis: Sharpton is on the smaller size but he has speed and heart. He has experience at a few different linebacker spots. He can contribute right away on special teams.

Still not liking it. Too many other need areas, and while he might slot as a 4th or 5th rounder, he doesn't present an overwhelming value.

I'm with rmartin. I get the position in round 3, but the guy is raw so not getting the player too well, and now a guy that will rarely see the field outside of ST at a position with decent depth as is.

Scratches head :foottap:

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:29 AM
He is a reach when you see the players on the board at positions of need. This was a bad, bad pick. This is the first year where I am negative on the draft, and I dont like the feeling.

This guy is a special teamer. That is it. Too slow to move outside. Wont beat Ryans to start in the middle. We could have taken a backup later in the draft, and taken a FS here.

I disagree that this has been a bad draft I really like the first three picks.

This pick I feel is not a good one, but if the guys I want them to get for OL and FS are there later then this might be a value pick.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 09:31 AM
You understood the Mitchell pick? I understand the position, but not the player.

For me, this is two bad picks in a row.

Yeah. He is a rotational 3 gap DT that is built for shooting the gaps and being disruptive on the Dline.

CoastalTexan
04-24-2010, 09:32 AM
They just picked up the guy in the 4th, not the 2nd or 1st. He's a Linebacker from Miami, that's not a bad thing. Who knows he might push Diles.

I am still itching for Robert Johnson or a couple C/G's though.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 09:34 AM
I'm a tad mystified by the LB pick, but so far in the draft we've gotten two starters and two decent debth players. Overall I'm still good with things so far, but I really wish they'd have gone with O-line or FS with that 1st 4th round pick.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 09:34 AM
I disagree that this has been a bad draft I really like the first three picks.

This pick I feel is not a good one, but if the guys I want them to get for OL and FS are there later then this might be a value pick.

I am torn on the draft. I liked Jackson, and have accepted Tate. Not wild about it, but I am satisfied.

However, I dislike the Mitchell pick, and I dislike this pick. Back to back dislikes gives me a bad feeling. We still have 5 picks though, so I am not freaking out yet.

stingray
04-24-2010, 09:34 AM
Bruce Campbell finally to the Raiders.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 09:36 AM
I am torn on the draft. I liked Jackson, and have accepted Tate. Not wild about it, but I am satisfied.

However, I dislike the Mitchell pick, and I dislike this pick. Back to back dislikes gives me a bad feeling. We still have 5 picks though, so I am not freaking out yet.

Ya I'm starting to lean towards dislike as well, but I really like the first two picks so..

TexanBacker93
04-24-2010, 09:36 AM
He is a reach when you see the players on the board at positions of need. This was a bad, bad pick. This is the first year where I am negative on the draft, and I dont like the feeling.

This guy is a special teamer. That is it. Too slow to move outside. Wont beat Ryans to start in the middle. We could have taken a backup later in the draft, and taken a FS here.

I think taking a player at a position of need that isn't very good is a reach. I really don't know the players at this point in the draft well enough to know if any are worth picking here. The best teams draft the best players and don't worry about needs. We're not there, but right now I have to trust in the front office. They know more about the players and what they can bring to the team than anyone on this board.

hot pickle
04-24-2010, 09:37 AM
i think sharpton will be a good player, hes been a starter since day 1 at the U, he will push diles and be a good ST player, remember... all the coaches are in the draft room and joe M might have said i really want this guy, please please please. and so they gave him his player, its not always about the offense and defense

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 09:37 AM
I just can't understand the LB pick when guys like Marshall Newhouse are still on the board

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 09:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rne2YpK-6cM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4MAGA1xn4

Tailgate
04-24-2010, 09:38 AM
Yeah. He is a rotational 3 gap DT that is built for shooting the gaps and being disruptive on the Dline.

Yep.... and believe it or not McClain has been saying this is the type of DT we are going to be targeting for a while now, not the big fat guy. The purpose is to improve the interior pass rush on 3rd downs.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 09:38 AM
They can't afford to make stupid picks like that in this deep of a draft

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 09:39 AM
Bruce Campbell finally to the Raiders.

seems fitting...

guy with the B-movie sci-fi star name goes to the home of the NFL's blackhole and all it's associated weirdos

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:40 AM
Bruce Campbell finally to the Raiders.

They got their first rounder in the 4th, Raiders win the draft.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:40 AM
I just can't understand the LB pick when guys like Marshall Newhouse are still on the board

If Newhouse is still on the board when we pick next it was the right move.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 09:41 AM
And the Raiders just picked up Jacoby Ford, Al will be pleased

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 09:41 AM
I think the lack of LBs in preseason scared them. Thankfully for us Cushing played through the pain of various injuries during the season or we would've been in a bad way depth wise with Chaun Thompson having gone to IR.

I want OL or DB like the rest of y'all but the Texans FO values positions differently.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 09:42 AM
If Newhouse is still on the board when we pick next it was the right move.

That is true, except that we will likely pass over him again lol

eriadoc
04-24-2010, 09:43 AM
At this point, though, you pick BPA. He's obviously the top guy on their board.

I want OL or DB like the rest of y'all but the Texans FO values positions differently.


And if they go through the draft and get the guys they had highest on their board, it's a good draft, as far as they're concerned. Personally, I'm beginning to wonder who made up their draft board.

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Tailgate
04-24-2010, 09:43 AM
They can't afford to make stupid picks like that in this deep of a draft

Owen Daniels, Adibi, Glover Quin, Fred Bennett, and Anthony Hill. All 4th round guys. Not saying they are all great or going to be.... but cmon now, thats still a good haul. And thats not even hitting on other late round picks like Zach Diles in the 7th. Lets cut the Texans some slack here, it seems to me they know how to work a draft board.... especially in the later rounds.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 09:43 AM
I think the lack of LBs in preseason scared them. Thankfully for us Cushing played through the pain of various injuries during the season or we would've been in a bad way depth wise with Chaun Thompson having gone to IR.

I want OL or DB like the rest of y'all but the Texans FO values positions differently.

Bentley and Adibi are both quality backups aren't they?

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 09:43 AM
FWIW, Prisco gives the pick a solid B and says:

Analysis: Sharpton is on the smaller size but he has speed and heart. He has experience at a few different linebacker spots. He can contribute right away on special teams.

Still not liking it. Too many other need areas, and while he might slot as a 4th or 5th rounder, he doesn't present an overwhelming value.

I'm with rmartin. I get the position in round 3, but the guy is raw so not getting the player too well, and now a guy that will rarely see the field outside of ST at a position with decent depth as is.

Scratches head :foottap:

The Mitchell pick was easy to figure out . They need someone to get a pass rush up the middle . Mario , Smith , Mitchell ( hopefully ) Barwin . Think about the Giants when they won the SB . They have to get to the QB up the middle so he can't step up .

Why Mitchell ... the dude ran the same 10 yd and 20 yard split as Dwyer . Plus he had 6.5 sacks last year , if you look at some names that y'all know that are there ... they didn't have 6.5 in their career .

awtysst
04-24-2010, 09:44 AM
They can't afford to make stupid picks like that in this deep of a draft

Please explain to me why exactly this is a "stupid pick." I have yet to see anything about this guy that causes me to think that way.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 09:46 AM
Please explain to me why exactly this is a "stupid pick." I have yet to see anything about this guy that causes me to think that way.

They need safety before a linebacker, and they took one of the smallest linebackers available. That was supposed to be a value pick, and there was no value in it

Thorn
04-24-2010, 09:47 AM
Please explain to me why exactly this is a "stupid pick." I have yet to see anything about this guy that causes me to think that way.

Yeah, I agree. I think we have other areas of need, but it's not like he wasn't worth a 4th round pick. From what I've been reading about him, he's good for the 4th round, I just wanted another position is all.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:48 AM
They need safety before a linebacker, and they took one of the smallest linebackers available. That was supposed to be a value pick, and there was no value in it

The player is a very versatile player who can back up all 3 LB spots and play special teams.

That is a useful player to have on a 45 man roster.

There was no FS who were value picks at that spot, would you rather reach?

JB
04-24-2010, 09:48 AM
They need safety before a linebacker, and they took one of the smallest linebackers available. That was supposed to be a value pick, and there was no value in it

Obviously the pros don't agree with you

El Tejano
04-24-2010, 09:48 AM
Please explain to me why exactly this is a "stupid pick." I have yet to see anything about this guy that causes me to think that way.

Yeah exactly. I mean, after all there were people like me that wanted us to spend one of our 3rds on WR Jordan Shipley and that's not a position of need either.

I guess noone remembers when Diles went down and we had to go with Bentley and Thompson for the rest of the season. This Mike LB gives an opportunity to move guys around if need be.

keyser
04-24-2010, 09:49 AM
I think the thing that really bugs me here is that the team does not seem to view OL as a major need of ours. There's no way our last pick beats out Ryans or Cushing, and I find it hard to believe he'll beat out Diles. In fact, I'm guessing he could end up behind Adibi and Bentley in the depth chart. Meanwhile, we have what (to me) is a clear problem on our OL. Could they not find anyone they felt would improve our OL?

Even if not OL, how about Safety, or another DT (I am not convinced that Mitchell solves all of our problems there), or maybe another RB. I'd even take a TE (in case we lose Daniels), or depth at DE.

I could see the first 3 picks (though the only one I really liked was Tate), but this one is just really puzzling to me.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 09:49 AM
They need safety before a linebacker, and they took one of the smallest linebackers available. That was supposed to be a value pick, and there was no value in it

Are you sure they "need" safetys? Why do you say they "need" safetys? Pollard is an excellent SS and Wilson is good at FS. If you want saftey depth, I can understand that, but you can only play 2 safetys at a time. You can play 3 lbs. If this guy can back up all three and be a special teamer, he presents additional potential value.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 09:49 AM
NFL draft tracker blurb on Sharpton:

Pick Analysis: The Texans add an instinctive linebacker with the selection of Darryl Sharpton. As a hard-hitting plugger with good awareness, he should be a solid backup early in his career, who makes most of his contributions on special teams.

Number19
04-24-2010, 09:49 AM
You understood the Mitchell pick? I understand the position, but not the player.

For me, this is two bad picks in a row.Mitchell is an Okoye clone with both at 6'-2" and just under 300 lbs. But Mitchell's explosion and quickness off the snap, hopefully, will provide more penetration and QB pressure than Okoye has been providing. Mitchell also is said to have a good swim and rip move. If this proves out and if he is as capable at stopping the run, he will be an upgrade at the position.

We need more sacks and pressure from the middle of the line.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 09:51 AM
Are you sure they "need" safetys? Why do you say they "need" safetys? Pollard is an excellent SS and Wilson is good at FS. If you want saftey depth, I can understand that, but you can only play 2 safetys at a time. You can play 3 lbs. If this guy can back up all three and be a special teamer, he presents additional potential value.


Wilson is always hurt, nobody can deny that. Linebacker is one of the strongest areas, wasted pick

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:52 AM
Remember our OL was hit by injuries last year and we have already added OL depth in the form of Wade and Caldwell is ready to step it up as a second year player.

Tailgate
04-24-2010, 09:52 AM
I think the thing that really bugs me here is that the team does not seem to view OL as a major need of ours. There's no way our last pick beats out Ryans or Cushing, and I find it hard to believe he'll beat out Diles. In fact, I'm guessing he could end up behind Adibi and Bentley in the depth chart. Meanwhile, we have what (to me) is a clear problem on our OL. Could they not find anyone they felt would improve our OL?

Even if not OL, how about Safety, or another DT (I am not convinced that Mitchell solves all of our problems there), or maybe another RB. I'd even take a TE (in case we lose Daniels), or depth at DE.

I could see the first 3 picks (though the only one I really liked was Tate), but this one is just really puzzling to me.


Because its all about their draft board at this point and who is at the top of it vs. where are the need players at on the board.... way down it? Then no thanks, lets take the best guy on our board who can back up 3 positions and hopefully excel on special teams.

JB
04-24-2010, 09:53 AM
Wow- Jets add another RB- McNight

CoastalTexan
04-24-2010, 09:53 AM
Some of you act if the Texan's don't pick your man crush then they are stupid and having a horrible draft.

Texan's have met with these guys, and worked them out personally. Not just read an internet blogger's (who have never met these players) opinion and form your own based on that.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 09:54 AM
The player is a very versatile player who can back up all 3 LB spots and play special teams.

That is a useful player to have on a 45 man roster.

There was no FS who were value picks at that spot, would you rather reach?

This is how I read this pick.
Special teamer, back-up LB (read that: Adibi replacement), plays with heart.
I would have rather had an O-line guy but he'll do.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:55 AM
Wow- Jets add another RB- McNight

Because they don't trust Sanchize.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 09:55 AM
Wilson is always hurt, nobody can deny that. Linebacker is one of the strongest areas, wasted pick

Ok. Wilson could get on the field more, sure. Ok, so go ahead and propose who you would have taken. Which Saftey would you have taken at that pick?

Our starting Linebackers are strong and Adibi is great depth. Outside of that we are ok.

b0ng
04-24-2010, 09:55 AM
Wilson is always hurt, nobody can deny that. Linebacker is one of the strongest areas, wasted pick

How hard is it to understand that the front office could feel that FS prospects at this point of the draft may be more of a "wasted pick" than a depth LB player who will do a lot of special teams work as well?

I forgot some of you guys get paid to do this because you all are so good at it.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 09:55 AM
Bentley and Adibi are both quality backups aren't they?

This may be more an indictment on Bentley than anything else.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 09:56 AM
How hard is it to understand that the front office could feel that FS prospects at this point of the draft may be more of a "wasted pick" than a depth LB player who will do a lot of special teams work as well?

I forgot some of you guys get paid to do this because you all are so good at it.

And not everyone on the board is a Draft Guru!

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 09:57 AM
Ok. Wilson could get on the field more, sure. Ok, so go ahead and propose who you would have taken. Which Saftey would you have taken at that pick?

Our starting Linebackers are strong and Adibi is great depth. Outside of that we are ok.


Robert Johnson....and Morgan Burnett would have been picked if he were there back in the third, so either way, the position should have been filled

awtysst
04-24-2010, 09:58 AM
Robert Johnson....and Morgan Burnett would have been picked if he were there back in the third, so either way, the position should have been filled

Why Robert Johnson?

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 09:58 AM
Bentley and Adibi are both quality backups aren't they?

Agree on Bentley... Adibi hasn't shown enough to warrant being called a "quality" backup.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 09:58 AM
Wilson is always hurt, nobody can deny that. Linebacker is one of the strongest areas, wasted pick

Another way to look at is that the only FS selected since we picked was Stuckey. So Chancellor (who is rated higher) is still available. No harm - no foul

...at least not yet

Porky
04-24-2010, 09:59 AM
The Mitchell pick was easy to figure out . They need someone to get a pass rush up the middle . Mario , Smith , Mitchell ( hopefully ) Barwin . Think about the Giants when they won the SB . They have to get to the QB up the middle so he can't step up .

Why Mitchell ... the dude ran the same 10 yd and 20 yard split as Dwyer . Plus he had 6.5 sacks last year , if you look at some names that y'all know that are there ... they didn't have 6.5 in their career .

I get that, but Mitchell is still raw. He is a developmental guy. I would like him better here in the 4th. It's just my philosphy that I want guys that can play and be starters in the first 3 rds, then I go after depth and guys who your coaches can develop into good role players or potential starters. I know it's a fine line because in truth you are talking what 15 picks or something, but Jordan Shipley was out there to be had, and he's a guy who can be the 3rd WR on our team this year and we play a lot of 3 wides, so to me that is a starters position. He would add talent and depth to the WR corp. He is polished and ready to go and adds an intriguing option for Schaub. Then here at this pick, you take Mitchell and maybe a S or Guard here at 4.20 coming up and I am a much happier camper.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 09:59 AM
How hard is it to understand that the front office could feel that FS prospects at this point of the draft may be more of a "wasted pick" than a depth LB player who will do a lot of special teams work as well?

I forgot some of you guys get paid to do this because you all are so good at it.

Wait till we pick a QB in the 7th and folks scream we should have taken a guard .

Thorn
04-24-2010, 09:59 AM
Only two more picks in front of us now.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 10:01 AM
Why Robert Johnson?

Great instincts, seems to be a ballhawk, what the Texans need, remember? Pollard is good, but Wilson? Really? Backup Linebackers is not what they need, they have enough of those

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:02 AM
Is Gibson the first Ohio State player drafted?

keyser
04-24-2010, 10:02 AM
Because its all about their draft board at this point and who is at the top of it vs. where are the need players at on the board.... way down it? Then no thanks, lets take the best guy on our board who can back up 3 positions and hopefully excel on special teams.

So you're saying you don't think they had anyone close on their draft board on the OL, or at S, or at one of the other positions that was a greater need than LB?

You're right - I don't want them reaching for someone just for need, but I find it difficulty to believe they didn't have anyone ranked close at a position of much greater need.

Plus, others have said they see Sharpton rated as a 4th rounder - I saw several ratings that had him much lower. So far in the 4th round, Sharpton was the lowest rated of any of the players taken (according to the places I've looked at), and it seems most other teams have been going for value (players that have dropped) here.

I really hope I'm wrong and the Texans have found one of the gems of the 4th round, but I'm not feeling good about it right now.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 10:03 AM
Lets trade down for additional picks!!!!

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 10:03 AM
Is Gibson the first Ohio State player drafted?

Yep.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 10:04 AM
Almost all the guys everyone wanted with our last pick are still there for our next pick.

The bottom line is that you've got to leave your wants behind at this point. Just face it that we don't know these guys as well as we wish we did.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:04 AM
Yep.

How the mighty have fallen.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 10:04 AM
Great instincts, seems to be a ballhawk, what the Texans need, remember? Pollard is good, but Wilson? Really? Backup Linebackers is not what they need, they have enough of those

What would you say if Johnson was available at our pick? If he is there and we take him, then we would have overdrafted him if we took him in your spot.

Point: You cannot call a pick stupid until you see the whole draft and get an understanding of who went where.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 10:05 AM
Trade down!
Trade down!
Trade down!

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 10:05 AM
Almost all the guys everyone wanted with our last pick are still there for our next pick.

The bottom line is that you've got to leave your wants behind at this point. Just face it that we don't know these guys as well as we wish we did.

Very true sir

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:05 AM
Oh and Go Big Red!!

Dillard is the 2nd Nebraskan to go, Asante Samuel should be next.

New_Texans
04-24-2010, 10:05 AM
Great instincts, seems to be a ballhawk, what the Texans need, remember? Pollard is good, but Wilson? Really? Backup Linebackers is not what they need, they have enough of those

Wilson is good...when hes not hurt.

but yeah Johnson is one im hoping we pick up, hes kinda small for a FS physically but his ball skills are great for a safety. hope we get him in this next pick or in the 5th.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:06 AM
we're up!!

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 10:06 AM
OK guys, here we go again

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:07 AM
[prepares fire extinguishers to put out the flamers who are about to post]

El Tejano
04-24-2010, 10:07 AM
Is it me or does NFL Network always go to commercial when The Texans are on the clock?

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:07 AM
[prepares fire extinguishers to put out the flamers who are about to post]

:spit:

might need several.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 10:07 AM
OT here, probably

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 10:08 AM
Is it me or does NFL Network always go to commercial when The Texans are on the clock?

It's not you.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:08 AM
Is it me or does NFL Network always go to commercial when The Texans are on the clock?

They do, and never talk about our picks either.

They are anti-Texans

J/K sort of

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:08 AM
Is it me or does NFL Network always go to commercial when The Texans are on the clock?

I've already turned them off, I'm just following the draft tracker now.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 10:08 AM
No ****ing way... Another TE!?

Brandon420tx
04-24-2010, 10:08 AM
and this one... I'm totally lost on

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 10:08 AM
Bwahahahahahahahah!!!!

Te!?

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 10:08 AM
Ok, another TE

stingray
04-24-2010, 10:08 AM
Texans just picked another TE. WTF!!

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:08 AM
another TE?

on to google again.....

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:09 AM
OK, now I am unimpressed.

This says something about Daniels, Hill or both.

Austrian
04-24-2010, 10:09 AM
A TE? Seriously?

TexansMVP
04-24-2010, 10:09 AM
Bye bye OD?

JB
04-24-2010, 10:09 AM
wtf???

Lucky
04-24-2010, 10:09 AM
You can never have enough finesse TEs. I guess.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 10:09 AM
No Robert Johnson, morons:strangle:

El Tejano
04-24-2010, 10:09 AM
Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin. Awesome pick. And yes it was a need. OD is coming off injury and we don't want to be in the spot we were in last year if he gets hurt again.

Possibly the best TE in the draft.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:09 AM
To be honest if we had taken TE Anthony McCoy here I would of been giddy so I can't knock it too much.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 10:10 AM
This draft has gone all to hell

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 10:10 AM
Almost all the guys everyone wanted with our last pick are still there for our next pick.

The bottom line is that you've got to leave your wants behind at this point. Just face it that we don't know these guys as well as we wish we did.

That was my point earlier. The only FS taken after our pick was Stuckey. Chancellor is still available. Reshad Johnson is still there (who is Robert Johnson???) Dwyer is still there (for those of you who want yet another RB)

I still say no harm/no foul. ...yet

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:10 AM
found this:

2010 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

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Garrett Graham, FB, Wisconsin
Garrett Graham isn't as flashy as many of the other tight end prospects for 2010, but he is one of the most complete players. Graham doesn't have the same type of straight line speed as Aaron Hernandez or Jermaine Gresham, but he always seems to find a way to get open. He saw his first major action as a sophomore, catching 30 passes for 328 yards and 4 touchdowns in 2007. He took over as the main target last year for the injured Travis Beckum and caught 40 passes for 540 yards and 5 touchdowns. He again surpassed those numbers as a senior. Graham has caught 51 passes for 624 yards and 7 touchdowns. These aren't eye popping statistics, but he plays for one of the most run heavy offenses of the last decade. Graham makes an excellent safety valve for his quarterback. He finds holes in zone coverage and sits down to provide an easy target. Because of Wisconsin's preference to run the ball, he has become an excellent run blocker. He has the size and upper body strength to take on defensive ends in the run game as well as linebackers. He may become an H-back in the NFL. Graham will likely be picked up in the late fourth or early fifth round of the 2010 draft.

LikeMike
04-24-2010, 10:11 AM
Might be better suited as an HB or FB... natural receiver... interesting. Our next Casey...

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 10:11 AM
Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin. Awesome pick. And yes it was a need. OD is coming off injury and we don't want to be in the spot we were in last year if he gets hurt again.

Possibly the best TE in the draft.

For real? OD, Dreeson, Casey, Hill, and now Graham? Stupid pick.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 10:11 AM
No Robert Johnson, morons:strangle:

Relax man! don't get hung up on one individual player. Our FS depth may already be on our team. His name may be Troy Nolan.

SteveSlaton20
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
3rd tight end in the last two year.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
Don't we have 30 TEs already?

JB
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
From NickScurfield

Daniels and Anthony Hill are coming off of ACL injuries, and TE Joel Dreessen had shoulder surgery after the season


http://twitter.com/NickScurfield

New_Texans
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
Hey look we got Owen Daniels!

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
Is it me or does NFL Network always go to commercial when The Texans are on the clock?

nope... it's not just you

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
Good work Thorn.

Ok, I'm buying.

Daniels is coming of a MAJOR injury, Hill is too, Casey is not a TE.

We needed this guy. (Still would of taken McCoy but this guy will do)

TexanBacker93
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
Ok. I have to change my BPA opinion. If it's a spot where you have a young pro-bowl player, you have a young backup, and you spent 2 draft picks on the position last year, maybe you should go to the 2nd BPA.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
But why another TE?

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 10:12 AM
Might be better suited as an HB or FB... natural receiver... interesting. Our next Casey...

We dont need a next Casey. Casey is only a second year pro, this is ridiculous to draft the exact same player two years in a row. Add in that Casey did not even play that much, and damn this is stupid. And didnt the Texans sign a TE the other day?

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:13 AM
Might be better suited as an HB or FB... natural receiver... interesting. Our next Casey...

Comes from a very run heavy program, he can run block as well as catch the ball.

Far more complete TE than Casey.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 10:13 AM
Don't we have 30 TEs already?

yeah but 25 of them have injury questions

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 10:14 AM
That was my point earlier. The only FS taken after our pick was Stuckey. Chancellor is still available. Reshad Johnson is still there (who is Robert Johnson???) Dwyer is still there (for those of you who want yet another RB)

I still say no harm/no foul. ...yet

how dare you?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ourKzKOnY

gary
04-24-2010, 10:14 AM
If they lose O.D. this pick might come in handy.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 10:14 AM
Using the 4th round for career backups

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 10:14 AM
Hey look we got Owen Daniels!

well.... it worked before
LOL

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:14 AM
yeah but 25 of them have injury questions

:lol:

dalemurphy
04-24-2010, 10:15 AM
Ok. I have to change my BPA opinion. If it's a spot where you have a young pro-bowl player, you have a young backup, and you spent 2 draft picks on the position last year, maybe you should go to the 2nd BPA.

We have 1 FB on the roster... TEs = FBs on this team. So, not only do the TEs tend to be very envolved in special teams play, they also account for two positions on the offensive field. With Anthony Hill's injury, OD's contract situation, they are going to take some of these guys... If he was a highly rated FB, would you be okay with it? That's essentially what we just took.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 10:16 AM
Using the 4th round for career backups

I have to ask you, how much time did you invest in draft preparation? How much film did you watch? How many hours did you spend researching various choices?

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 10:16 AM
I can only think they plan on trading OD with this last pick when this team needs OL and Safety help. Texans only have 3 picks left to address these issues

Porky
04-24-2010, 10:16 AM
I think this says FAR more about Anthony Hill that it does OD. I'm actually OK with this pick. I'm not falling out of my chair excited, but I can see the thinking behind it. First, OD insurance, and second Hill insurance. And it's not like Mr. everything Rice really stood out last year either. Sooooo, I'm not saying I would go this way, but it's perfectly defensible. Assuming he sticks and/or the health of the others prove out, I say let's skip a TE next year shall we?

spurstexanstros
04-24-2010, 10:17 AM
why another d-lineman, why another linebacker, why another TE,,,,why did we trade down in the second to get an extra third and a rb was selected in our spot? Why trade back up and draft rb in the second, why trade the extra third round pick?

Too many whys in this draft...I grade it now a Y.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:17 AM
I have to ask you, how much time did you invest in draft preparation? How much film did you watch? How many hours did you spend researching various choices?

It's not worth it, save your energy...

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:17 AM
also found this:

Although he was a tight end in three years at Wisconsin, Graham may lack the prototypical size and strength to play the position in the NFL and instead projects as one of the top fullbacks in this draft. There is no doubt he possesses the necessary receiving skills to succeed at the next level, finishing his career tied for fifth in school history with 16 receiving touchdowns and tied for sixth with 121 catches. He had his most productive season in 2009, leading the Badgers in touchdown receptions (seven) while ranking second in catches (51) and receiving yards (624). The best game of his career came in a 33-31 loss to Northwestern on Nov. 21, when he had six receptions for 98 yards and two TDs. A first-team All-Big Ten selection by the media and second-team All-Big Ten by the coaches, Graham is a very good athlete who played tight end, defensive end, punter and kicker in high school. He caught one pass for 10 yards at the Senior Bowl and performed well at the NFL combine, ranking sixth among tight ends in the vertical jump, eighth in the bench press and fourth in the 20-yard shuttle. Graham is tough and durable, playing through several injuries in college while still maintaining a high level of play against top-notch competition in the Big Ten. Although a willing blocker who never shies away from bigger defenders, he lacks the size to blow opponents off the line and will need to get stronger. A strong final year at Wisconsin and good performances in the postseason workouts have helped Graham move up many draft boards, and he could go as high as the fourth or fifth round.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 10:17 AM
I have to ask you, how much time did you invest in draft preparation? How much film did you watch? How many hours did you spend researching various choices?


How much do the Texans spend? It doesn't seem like much

awtysst
04-24-2010, 10:18 AM
We took Casey and Hill last year. We had some decent TE injuries and Hill may not be back for awhile. Perhpas this is redraft to get that blocking TE we wanted last year. A blocking TE is like an extra OG.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:18 AM
Your on FIRE thorn!

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:19 AM
Again, I think we good a good athletic, just not at the postion I wanted.

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 10:20 AM
Good to see the Texans draft room has a sense of humor given the "Draft TE" jokes people make on here...

Graham looks like a player, it seems the Texans FO go strictly BPA at this point. Lets just hope it doesn't hurt us like last year (drafting 2 TEs when we had a need for another RB).

This organization does not seem to value the safety position very highly. It seems they are confident in going through the srap heap to find their safeties. They picked up both starters on the street afterall....

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 10:20 AM
How much do the Texans spend? It doesn't seem like much

:rolleyes:

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 10:20 AM
But why another TE?

We have 3 injured TE's on the squad. I expect this says a lot about Hill.

People are calling this a finesse TE pick but this guy is supposed to be a good in-line blocker.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:20 AM
Safeties and Guards are late round picks.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 10:21 AM
How much do the Texans spend? It doesn't seem like much

Well you are sitting here criticizing these draft picks left and right, calling them stupid, and referring to the front office as morons. I figured you had come to your conclusions on these picks based on a hours of meticulous film study, reading numerous sites, making mock drafts, and thinking about these picks in great depth.

Or, perhaps did you read a couple of websites, look at a few mocks, and parrot some name you really do not know becuase you read it somewhere?

SteveSlaton20
04-24-2010, 10:21 AM
For real? OD, Dreeson, Casey, Hill, and now Graham? Stupid pick.

didnt we just signed another tight end to a 1 year deal too?

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 10:21 AM
Thanks Thorn, good stuff

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:21 AM
We have 3 injured TE's on the squad. I expect this says a lot about Hill.

People are calling this a finesse TE pick but this guy is supposed to be a good in-line blocker.

People who have never heard or seen this guy play, are calling him a finesse TE.

Just because your 250lbs doesn't mean you can't block.

steelbtexan
04-24-2010, 10:22 AM
I hope Kubes snoring problem is better. Because sending Smith to the Combine by himself doesn't seem to be working out to well.

Hello 6-10

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:22 AM
didnt we just signed another tight end to a 1 year deal too?

You've never heard of camp fodder.

OD, Dressen, Hill may not be ready for camp.

keyser
04-24-2010, 10:22 AM
I'm not as upset about this one as I was the last pick - we do have a lot of question marks at TE, and he was picked at a reasonable spot relative to the grades that most places give him. But, I can't say I'm happy about it, either.

I still really feel that we've missed out - big - on getting OL help in this draft. I think what bugs me about that most is not that we haven't drafted some particular player (I really don't have anyone I'm targeting), but just that the front office can't find anyone that they felt could improve, significantly, over what we already have on the OL. I do not see our OL as good - we need depth and starters there. They already showed in their first three picks that they are considering need, and yet they don't seem to see our OL (or safety?) as one of those needs.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 10:22 AM
Remember the name Troy Nolan. Her was our 7th rounder last year: A FS. Perhaps the Texans have bigger plans for him than we know. He could be a very good depth FS.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 10:23 AM
Well you are sitting here criticizing these draft picks left and right, calling them stupid, and referring to the front office as morons. I figured you had come to your conclusions on these picks based on a hours of meticulous film study, reading numerous sites, making mock drafts, and thinking about these picks in great depth.

Or, perhaps did you read a couple of websites, look at a few mocks, and parrot some name you really do not know becuase you read it somewhere?

Hey thats what I did!

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:23 AM
How much do the Texans spend? It doesn't seem like much

Texans have one of if not the biggest scouting organisation in the NFL.

They know all, see all and then pick based on their super secret formula.-

steelbtexan
04-24-2010, 10:23 AM
People who have never heard or seen this guy play, are calling him a finesse TE.

Just because your 250lbs doesn't mean you can't block.

Finesse TE should fit in well with the finesse team that is the Texans

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 10:24 AM
Well you are sitting here criticizing these draft picks left and right, calling them stupid, and referring to the front office as morons. I figured you had come to your conclusions on these picks based on a hours of meticulous film study, reading numerous sites, making mock drafts, and thinking about these picks in great depth.

Or, perhaps did you read a couple of websites, look at a few mocks, and parrot some name you really do not know becuase you read it somewhere?


You don't draft players to be 4th or 5th string when you have other needs, you get players through free agency

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:24 AM
Good to see the Texans draft room has a sense of humor given the "Draft TE" jokes people make on here...

Graham looks like a player, it seems the Texans FO go strictly BPA at this point. Lets just hope it doesn't hurt us like last year (drafting 2 TEs when we had a need for another RB).

This organization does not seem to value the safety position very highly. It seems they are confident in going through the srap heap to find their safeties. They picked up both starters on the street afterall....

To the bolded part, that does look like what's happening. Apparently they just aren't seeing what they want in these late rounds for the O-line and FS.

phantom17
04-24-2010, 10:24 AM
I think this says FAR more about Anthony Hill that it does OD. I'm actually OK with this pick. I'm not falling out of my chair excited, but I can see the thinking behind it. First, OD insurance, and second Hill insurance. And it's not like Mr. everything Rice really stood out last year either. Sooooo, I'm not saying I would go this way, but it's perfectly defensible. Assuming he sticks and/or the health of the others prove out, I say let's skip a TE next year shall we?



LOL! Sorry Porky, they will probably pick 2 TE next year!:voodoo:

gary
04-24-2010, 10:24 AM
If Troy works out as a D.B. then this pick will be foregotten about.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 10:25 AM
I'm not as upset about this one as I was the last pick - we do have a lot of question marks at TE, and he was picked at a reasonable spot relative to the grades that most places give him. But, I can't say I'm happy about it, either.

I still really feel that we've missed out - big - on getting OL help in this draft. I think what bugs me about that most is not that we haven't drafted some particular player (I really don't have anyone I'm targeting), but just that the front office can't find anyone that they felt could improve, significantly, over what we already have on the OL. I do not see our OL as good - we need depth and starters there. They already showed in their first three picks that they are considering need, and yet they don't seem to see our OL (or safety?) as one of those needs.

Here is my thinking. The Texans have Brown and Winston as the OT. We have Briesel who was a very solid OG and Caldwell, our 3rd last year, and the newly signed Smith. I would not be surprised if Caldwell and Briesel were the OGs and Smith the Center. Are there any current draft picks who could push these interior 3? Probably not. I would like to see Tennant the BC Center taken to be our C of the future, but he would not push Smith right now.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 10:25 AM
Remember the name Troy Nolan. Her was our 7th rounder last year: A FS. Perhaps the Texans have bigger plans for him than we know. He could be a very good depth FS.

Yeah, I had said before the draft that I don't think that the Texans see the FS as a position of need.

I think they're banging on what THEY see as their positions of needs, not what outsiders see as their positions of need.

With Nolan, Barber, and Wilson, they don't see FS as a glaring weakness.

With 3 injured TE's on the squad and probably only Casey being ready for TC, they saw TE as a position of need and they banged it.

I was initially discombobulated by this pick but it makes alot of sense if you think about it.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 10:27 AM
I'm not really upset about the pick, clearly they don't believe that any of the O-line guys on the board could come in and make a difference for this team. I prefer BPA anyway because who knows what players will be on this team 2-3 years down the road. If this TE works out and our guys come back from injury then we can trade one of them and get a higher draft pick back.

dalemurphy
04-24-2010, 10:28 AM
I have no problem with the pick but I can understand fans freaking out about the safety position as it goes unaddressed. After all, they ignored the position last off-season and it almost ruined our season. If Pollard doesn't fall into our laps, we win 6-7 games last year. We still have 4 picks, though, and I'm counting on some movement.

steelbtexan
04-24-2010, 10:30 AM
I wonder which TE Smithiak will pick in the 5th rd.

Hello 6-10, Hope your snoring problem is better Kubes.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 10:31 AM
There were also talks about Darren Sharper right? Maybe he is our main target. Or maybe they just really feel safe with Eugene Wilson back there

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:32 AM
If we get another TE later in the draft, this board will melt down. LOL

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 10:32 AM
how dare you?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ourKzKOnY

Well, I didn't see him listed in the NFL.com "Prospects" listing at safety.
wassup wit dat??

utahmark
04-24-2010, 10:32 AM
Good to see the Texans draft room has a sense of humor given the "Draft TE" jokes people make on here...

Graham looks like a player, it seems the Texans FO go strictly BPA at this point. Lets just hope it doesn't hurt us like last year (drafting 2 TEs when we had a need for another RB).

This organization does not seem to value the safety position very highly. It seems they are confident in going through the srap heap to find their safeties. They picked up both starters on the street afterall....

if they would'nt of got lucky and picked up pollard last year that might of cost them their jobs.

djohn2oo8
04-24-2010, 10:32 AM
Clear need at DT, shame they are too dumb to take a chance on Haynesworth

gary
04-24-2010, 10:32 AM
Remember the name Troy Nolan. Her was our 7th rounder last year: A FS. Perhaps the Texans have bigger plans for him than we know. He could be a very good depth FS.Bingo.

eriadoc
04-24-2010, 10:33 AM
LOL, it's pretty comical at this point. It's obvious that we fans don't have a feel for how Smithiak wants to build this team. So as a public service announcement, I'll summarize:

DT: They do NOT want big, run stuffing DTS. Only guys that (allegedly) penetrate and put pressure on the QB need apply. I mean, that hasn't worked out yet, but all you fans who want a big DT are clearly off your rocker.

DB: The Texans clearly do not want a rangy CF-type with ballhawking skills. They want players like Brandon Harrison, Dominique Barber, and John Busing. And if Pollard hadn't come along and screwed things up, they wouldn't have gotten a box safety, either. Any of you fans that want a rangy ball hawk best get it out of your minds.

OL: The Texans clearly do not want guys with a strong base that can push the big DTs around. They want smaller, more nimble Cs and Gs that can back up Chris Myers. Banish thy dreams of a power OL!

TE: OK, I'll give this one to you. The Texans do want your kind of TE - whatever it is. They want all the TEs. If they could field a team of 54 TEs, they might.

I reserve the right to eat crow later, but so far their W-L record has not inspired me to buy into their style of team building. But hey, I keep hope alive because I'm a fan.

eriadoc
04-24-2010, 10:34 AM
If we get another TE later in the draft, this board will melt down. LOL

I'm praying for it at this point, LOL.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 10:34 AM
Yeah, I had said before the draft that I don't think that the Texans see the FS as a position of need.

I think they're banging on what THEY see as their positions of needs, not what outsiders see as their positions of need.

With Nolan, Barber, and Wilson, they don't see FS as a glaring weakness.

With 3 injured TE's on the squad and probably only Casey being ready for TC, they saw TE as a position of need and they banged it.

I was initially discombobulated by this pick but it makes alot of sense if you think about it.

Think about it??
Well, where's the fun in that?
:D

steelbtexan
04-24-2010, 10:34 AM
I have no problem with the pick but I can understand fans freaking out about the safety position as it goes unaddressed. After all, they ignored the position last off-season and it almost ruined our season. If Pollard doesn't fall into our laps, we win 6-7 games last year. We still have 4 picks, though, and I'm counting on some movement.

When you're boy Studdard is getting major PT next year and they still cant run the ball how are you going to feel DM.

Are you ready for another year of Busing and Barber DM?

Oh well

Xcellerator
04-24-2010, 10:36 AM
Reshad Jones, Dominique Franks, AOA, Donovan Warren, Perrish Cox, Dezmon Briscoe, & Jonathan Dwyer still on board. Would like any of them with our 5th.

gary
04-24-2010, 10:36 AM
I wonder which TE Smithiak will pick in the 5th rd.

Hello 6-10, Hope your snoring problem is better Kubes.Don't want Gary to be fired anyway? Then your wish will be granted. LOL.

eriadoc
04-24-2010, 10:36 AM
Reshad Jones, Dominique Franks, AOA, Donovan Warren, Perrish Cox, Dezmon Briscoe, & Jonathan Dwyer still on board. Would like any of them with our 5th.

LOL, so now we've established who they won't take ....

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 10:37 AM
if they would'nt of got lucky and picked up pollard last year that might of cost them their jobs.

I wouldn't call them "lucky". They also found Wilson on the street the year before that. And Demps was a one year wonder in 07. It seems they are content plucking in safeties on the street instead of banging the whole for good with a premium draft pick.

Almost reminds me of how their old team (Broncos) used to treat RBs. They're so confident that they can put just about anyone in that position they will not spend a premium pick.

New_Texans
04-24-2010, 10:37 AM
LOL, it's pretty comical at this point. It's obvious that we fans don't have a feel for how Smithiak wants to build this team. So as a public service announcement, I'll summarize:

DT: They do NOT want big, run stuffing DTS. Only guys that (allegedly) penetrate and put pressure on the QB need apply. I mean, that hasn't worked out yet, but all you fans who want a big DT are clearly off your rocker.

DB: The Texans clearly do not want a rangy CF-type with ballhawking skills. They want players like Brandon Harrison and Dominique Barber. And if Pollard hadn't come along and screwed things up, they wouldn't have gotten a box safety, either. Any of you fans that want a rangy ball hawk best get it out of your minds.

OL: The Texans clearly do not want guys with a strong base that can push the big DTs around. They want smaller, more nimble Cs and Gs that can back up Chris Myers. Banish thy dreams of a power OL!

TE: OK, I'll give this one to you. The Texans do want your kind of TE - whatever it is. They want all the TEs. If they could field a team of 54 TEs, they might.

I reserve the right to eat crow later, but so far their W-L record has not inspired me to buy into their style of team building. But hey, I keep hope alive because I'm a fan.

But i don't like those...:choke:

awtysst
04-24-2010, 10:38 AM
Reshad Jones, Dominique Franks, AOA, Donovan Warren, Perrish Cox, Dezmon Briscoe, & Jonathan Dwyer still on board. Would like any of them with our 5th.

Jonathan Dwyer is the Rashad Jennings of this draft!

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 10:39 AM
AOA off the board

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 10:40 AM
Reshad Jones, Dominique Franks, AOA, Donovan Warren, Perrish Cox, Dezmon Briscoe, & Jonathan Dwyer still on board. Would like any of them with our 5th.

AOA has knee issuses.

And he just went to the Cowboys.

gary
04-24-2010, 10:40 AM
Reshad Jones, Dominique Franks, AOA, Donovan Warren, Perrish Cox, Dezmon Briscoe, & Jonathan Dwyer still on board. Would like any of them with our 5th.I do not think they have a 5th round pick anymore.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:40 AM
Will be intersting to see if he ever amounts to anything.

AOA that is

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 10:40 AM
Any idea why we took Graham instead of Hernandez?

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 10:41 AM
I do not think they have a 5th round pick anymore.

We picked up the Chiefs 5th

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 10:41 AM
Clear need at DT, shame they are too dumb to take a chance on Haynesworth

you keep ignoring the Texan's defensive philosophy -speed to the ball - and persist on substituting your own reality - Strength > Speed.

I fear that you are doomed to be perpetually disappointed.

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 10:41 AM
I do not think they have a 5th round pick anymore.

144, 13th pick in the fifth is still ours.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 10:41 AM
Any idea why we took Graham instead of Hernandez?

Hernandez was off the board already

Thorn
04-24-2010, 10:41 AM
I do not think they have a 5th round pick anymore.

It's still showing on the board at the 13th pick in the 5th for the Texans.

steelbtexan
04-24-2010, 10:41 AM
LOL, it's pretty comical at this point. It's obvious that we fans don't have a feel for how Smithiak wants to build this team. So as a public service announcement, I'll summarize:

DT: They do NOT want big, run stuffing DTS. Only guys that (allegedly) penetrate and put pressure on the QB need apply. I mean, that hasn't worked out yet, but all you fans who want a big DT are clearly off your rocker.

DB: The Texans clearly do not want a rangy CF-type with ballhawking skills. They want players like Brandon Harrison, Dominique Barber, and John Busing. And if Pollard hadn't come along and screwed things up, they wouldn't have gotten a box safety, either. Any of you fans that want a rangy ball hawk best get it out of your minds.

OL: The Texans clearly do not want guys with a strong base that can push the big DTs around. They want smaller, more nimble Cs and Gs that can back up Chris Myers. Banish thy dreams of a power OL!

TE: OK, I'll give this one to you. The Texans do want your kind of TE - whatever it is. They want all the TEs. If they could field a team of 54 TEs, they might.

I reserve the right to eat crow later, but so far their W-L record has not inspired me to buy into their style of team building. But hey, I keep hope alive because I'm a fan.

This

Repped

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 10:42 AM
just aheads up guys. mayock is doing instant analysis of each pick of nfl.com. im glad he lost his voice so they had to take him off air and he could do this!

http://chat.nfl.com/front/index/883


Mike Mayock, NFL Network
118 -- Texans -- TE Garrett Graham

The Texans get a really solid player here in Graham. He can line up in-line and compete as a blocker, but probably more effective as an H-Back. He had 51 catches as a senior, and was a three-year starter in one of the most competitive conferences in the country. He has average speed, but a strong, tough kid who will compete.

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 10:42 AM
Any idea why we took Graham instead of Hernandez?

Hernandez is reported to have some character issuses and was already picked.

gary
04-24-2010, 10:42 AM
We picked up the Chiefs 5thOh. Thanks.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 10:42 AM
Any idea why we took Graham instead of Hernandez?

Hernandez is a Billy Miller clone, a slow WR.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 10:42 AM
LOL, so now we've established who they won't take ....

The thing is...

No one else is taking these guys, either. So all of us who had all these guys graded in the 2nd - 4th rounds were wrong.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 10:42 AM
Hernandez was off the board already

I know, but he was there at the LB pick

dtran04
04-24-2010, 10:43 AM
Hernandez is reported to have some character issuses.

You guys realize he went before the Texans right?

Xcellerator
04-24-2010, 10:43 AM
LOL, so now we've established who they won't take ....

Unfortunately true. :(

dalemurphy
04-24-2010, 10:43 AM
When you're boy Studdard is getting major PT next year and they still cant run the ball how are you going to feel DM.

Are you ready for another year of Busing and Barber DM?

Oh well

I'm going to be sick if Studdard sees the field and I'm going to be homicidal is Busing is on the roster!

We still have 4 picks, UDFAs, FAs like Chester Pitts, trades, and 4 months of off-season... So, I'm not going to freak out just yet.