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Thorn
04-24-2010, 11:44 AM
NFL draft tracker blurb:

Pick Analysis: The Texans select Garrett Graham to serve as insurance against Owen Daniels' health situation. Graham is an athletic pass catcher with outstanding hands, and his ability to make big catches in the red zone will help the Texans remain among the league's most explosive offenses.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 11:44 AM
We picked up the Chiefs 5th

which means we effectively moved up several spots in the 5th
don't overlook that

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 11:45 AM
I know, but he was there at the LB pick

Oh i see, I have no idea then

Porky
04-24-2010, 11:46 AM
Jonathan Dwyer is the Rashad Jennings of this draft!

That's what I have been wondering. I was thinking he would go no later than the 3rd and he is still sitting there. Is there a medical or drug issue we don't know about? Or is he just overrated by the fans and draftniks?

If he is there in the 5th, I'm not opposed to taking him at all even though we already took Tate. That is great value. Have Tate, Slaton and Dwyer on the roster as your banger and RB is fixed for a long time (barring injury of course)

awtysst
04-24-2010, 11:46 AM
The thing is...

No one else is taking these guys, either. So all of us who had all these guys graded in the 2nd - 4th rounds were wrong.

There it is. THIS is the key. NOBODY is taking these guys. As much as we love the draft, I am pretty sure that the 32 team offices have spent more time, resources, etc in the process. Does not mean they are right, but it does mean they have inside info we don't.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 11:47 AM
That's what I have been wondering. I was thinking he would go no later than the 3rd and he is still sitting there. Is there a medical or drug issue we don't know about? Or is he just overrated by the fans and draftniks?

If he is there in the 5th, I'm not opposed to taking him at all even though we already took Tate. That is great value. Have Tate, Slaton and Dwyer on the roster as your banger and RB is fixed for a long time (barring injury of course)

Tate, Slaton, Dwyer and Foster would be a nice foursome for a RB crew.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 11:50 AM
There it is. THIS is the key. NOBODY is taking these guys. As much as we love the draft, I am pretty sure that the 32 team offices have spent more time, resources, etc in the process. Does not mean they are right, but it does mean they have inside info we don't.

Stop that.
Stop it right now!!

The time for Logic has passed.
Now is the time for senseless bickering
http://site.despair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/timeforaction.jpg

gary
04-24-2010, 11:51 AM
I have heard both good and bad things about Dwyer.

Wolf
04-24-2010, 11:51 AM
maybe this


Georgia Tech running back Jonathan Dwyer tested positive at the NFL scouting combine for amphetamines, FoxSports.com reported Sunday, but Dwyer's agent said teams were aware of his client's medical history.

"All 32 teams received notification prior to the combine that a medication he's taken since childhood would likely result in a positive result at the combine," Adisa Bakari told ESPN's Joe Schad. "We provided the necessary medical documentation."

Dwyer told Schad the medication is for an attention deficit disorder. The NFL calls Dwyer's situation a "therapeutic use exemption," a source told Schad.

"I have had it since I was in the fifth grade," Dwyer said. "Georgia Tech knew about it when I went there. The NCAA knew about it before every drug test I took there. And the league knew about it before the combine as they got several letters from my doctor who prescribed me the medication."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=5111130&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 11:52 AM
I have heard both good and bad things about Dwyer.


Triple option RB

Little NFL RB skills

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 11:52 AM
That McClendon pick by the Colts was rated on average as the 454th best player in this draft according to the draft spreadsheet Keyser put together.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 11:52 AM
I have heard both good and bad things about Dwyer.
go on...
and start with the bad
:)

phantom17
04-24-2010, 11:53 AM
NFL draft tracker blurb:

Pick Analysis: The Texans select Garrett Graham to serve as insurance against Owen Daniels' health situation. Graham is an athletic pass catcher with outstanding hands, and his ability to make big catches in the red zone will help the Texans remain among the league's most explosive offenses.

I'm starting to like this pick, PLUS, I knew they would pick another TE!

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 11:55 AM
That McClendon pick by the Colts was rated on average as the 454th best player in this draft according to the draft spreadsheet Keyser put together.

A lot of teams have made similar picks.

People on this board are complaining about the picks that the Texans have been making but other teams are picking guys that we didn't ahve on our board, either. There are 32 boards out there that count and we don't have the luxury of seeing any of them.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 11:55 AM
I'm starting to like this pick, PLUS, I knew they would pick another TE!

The evil person inside me wants them to pick another TE in the 5th just to watch this board explode.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 11:56 AM
Calming down again...

Good pick

The LB selection still fries my brain though

awtysst
04-24-2010, 11:56 AM
Stop that.
Stop it right now!!

The time for Logic has passed.
Now is the time for senseless bickering
http://site.despair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/timeforaction.jpg

Sorry. I am fairly logical by nature:)

Um, "Yeah the Texans front office has screwed up on every pick and we should pencil ourselves in for the first pick in the draft for the rest of the decade"

Better?:)

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 11:59 AM
The evil person inside me wants them to pick another TE in the 5th just to watch this board explode.

I'd be happy if the get McCoy from USC.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 11:59 AM
Sorry. I am fairly logical by nature:)

Um, "Yeah the Texans front office has screwed up on every pick and we should pencil ourselves in for the first pick in the draft for the rest of the decade"

Better?:)

Remember, the Texan's fanbase is 50% stuck in the 1980s (we want Toby!) and the other 50% leans more modern

Couple that with a team that drafts like its the 1990s and you are bound to get plenty of draft day entertainment

phantom17
04-24-2010, 12:00 PM
The evil person inside me wants them to pick another TE in the 5th just to watch this board explode.

LOL! Man I hope they don't pick a QB.........oh wait!:choke:

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 12:01 PM
LOL! Man I hope they don't pick a QB.........oh wait!:choke:

I would love to get Lefevre at this point.

Seriously.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:03 PM
That Rams TE that just went, has the best name in the draft.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 12:03 PM
At this point, without looking at need or anything, my board goes like this:

1. Ricky Sapp, Rush End
2. Cam Thomas, NT
3. Jonathon Dwyer, RB
4. Dominique Franks, CB
5. Perrish Cox, CB
6. Matt Tenant, C
7. Kam Chancellor, S
8. George Selvie, Rush End
9. Reshad Jones, S
10. Riley Cooper, WR

These are not necessarily guys I want us to pick but those are all guys I had going MUCH earlier than this.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:05 PM
Thomas or Sapp would be great

Can't believe hom far Selvie has plummeted in one year

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:05 PM
At this point, without looking at need or anything, my board goes like this:

1. Ricky Sapp, Rush End
2. Cam Thomas, NT
3. Jonathon Dwyer, RB
4. Dominique Franks, CB
5. Perrish Cox, CB
6. Matt Tenant, C
7. Kam Chancellor, S
8. George Selvie, Rush End
9. Reshad Jones, S
10. Riley Cooper, WR

These are not necessarily guys I want us to pick but those are all guys I had going MUCH earlier than this.

I'm past predicting or asking for picks, I'm moving into pure read and react mode.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 12:05 PM
At this point, without looking at need or anything, my board goes like this:

1. Ricky Sapp, Rush End
2. Cam Thomas, NT
3. Jonathon Dwyer, RB
4. Dominique Franks, CB
5. Perrish Cox, CB
6. Matt Tenant, C
7. Kam Chancellor, S
8. George Selvie, Rush End
9. Reshad Jones, S
10. Riley Cooper, WR

These are not necessarily guys I want us to pick but those are all guys I had going MUCH earlier than this.

I would love to see us grab one of those CBs

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:05 PM
At this point, without looking at need or anything, my board goes like this:

1. Ricky Sapp, Rush End
2. Cam Thomas, NT
3. Jonathon Dwyer, RB
4. Dominique Franks, CB
5. Perrish Cox, CB
6. Matt Tenant, C
7. Kam Chancellor, S
8. George Selvie, Rush End
9. Reshad Jones, S
10. Riley Cooper, WR

These are not necessarily guys I want us to pick but those are all guys I had going MUCH earlier than this.


Looks like you can take Chancellor off your list.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 12:06 PM
go on...
and start with the bad
:)

It's not just the Texans .

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 12:06 PM
I'm past predicting or asking for picks, I'm moving into pure read and react mode.

Yeah, I'm not asking for anyone at this point. :)

And Chancellor just went off the board.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 12:06 PM
At this point, without looking at need or anything, my board goes like this:

1. Ricky Sapp, Rush End
2. Cam Thomas, NT
3. Jonathon Dwyer, RB
4. Dominique Franks, CB
5. Perrish Cox, CB
6. Matt Tenant, C
7. Kam Chancellor, S
8. George Selvie, Rush End
9. Reshad Jones, S
10. Riley Cooper, WR

These are not necessarily guys I want us to pick but those are all guys I had going MUCH earlier than this.

Anyone remember when Selvie was considered a high first rounder in LAST year's draft?!

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 12:06 PM
Looks like you can take Chancellor off your list.

And Sapp

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:06 PM
And Sapp. LOL

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:06 PM
Yeah, I'm not asking for anyone at this point. :)

And Chancellor just went off the board.

Followed by Sapp.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:08 PM
I'd roll the dice on Selvie

gary
04-24-2010, 12:09 PM
I think we should draft secondary at this point.

Xcellerator
04-24-2010, 12:09 PM
Franks gone. Wasn't Greg Hardy highly touted too?

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 12:09 PM
Now Franks is off the board.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:09 PM
At this point, without looking at need or anything, my board goes like this:

1. Ricky Sapp, Rush End
2. Cam Thomas, NT
3. Jonathon Dwyer, RB
4. Dominique Franks, CB
5. Perrish Cox, CB
6. Matt Tenant, C
7. Kam Chancellor, S
8. George Selvie, Rush End
9. Reshad Jones, S
10. Riley Cooper, WR

These are not necessarily guys I want us to pick but those are all guys I had going MUCH earlier than this.

I think someone saw your list.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 12:10 PM
Well ... the main stream players are not what they want . Let's go for the highly athletic projects .

Joe Webb
Deji Karim
Quentin Scott
Levi Brown ... you gotta have a QB named Levi .

awtysst
04-24-2010, 12:10 PM
Franks gone. Wasn't Greg Hardy highly touted too?

Yup. He was a borderline first last year too.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:11 PM
Teams did not put a premium on pass rushers this year

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 12:12 PM
Yup. He was a borderline first last year too.

He's got Yao's disease

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 12:12 PM
time to draft a punter
:hides:

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:13 PM
He's got Yao's disease

He's a giant communist?

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:13 PM
He's got Yao's disease

I didn't realise being Chinese was a disease?

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:14 PM
time to draft a punter
:hides:

I wouldn't be upset with the Zoltan kid out of Michigan.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:15 PM
time to draft a punter
:hides:

Already done that, that TE we got was a punter in high school. What we need now is another kicker. LOL

gary
04-24-2010, 12:15 PM
What numer is the next pick for the Texans?

Grams
04-24-2010, 12:16 PM
144

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:16 PM
What numer is the next pick for the Texans?

we pick 13th in this round.

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:16 PM
And there goes Cox.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:16 PM
Damn. Looks like a run on CBs and safties so far this round.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 12:17 PM
Damn no more Cox...thats what she said

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:18 PM
Damn. Looks like a run on CBs and safties so far this round.

And the Raiders continue it.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:19 PM
I knew I said I wouldn't but Newhouse looks good here.

gary
04-24-2010, 12:21 PM
The Texans are four picks away.

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:21 PM
The Jets go with Conner. Conner lead blocking for Greene will be a punishing running game.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:21 PM
Shouldn't that Jets pick be out looking for a Terminator or something?

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 12:21 PM
I knew I said I wouldn't but Newhouse looks good here.

I said that last round lol, I was very wrong

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:22 PM
And the Bills get a Wang. LOL

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:22 PM
Buffalo picks up a Wang.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 12:22 PM
Damn no more Cox...thats what she said
where's that rimshot smiley
lol

awtysst
04-24-2010, 12:23 PM
And the Bills get a Wang. LOL

Can you picture the Buffalo crowd cheering for him!
"We want Wang! We Want Wang! We want Wang!"

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 12:23 PM
If the Texans go Newhouse here I think the whole board will be happy again

awtysst
04-24-2010, 12:23 PM
Looks like texans fans wont be getting Cox or Wang!

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 12:23 PM
Man, Seattle is really getting a serious makeover

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:23 PM
Cox, John Conner, Wang..

Looks like we have entered the silly name portion of the draft.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 12:23 PM
Looks like texans fans wont be getting Cox or Wang!

All hope is lost!

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:24 PM
Can you picture the Buffalo crowd cheering for him!
"We want Wang! We Want Wang! We want Wang!"

Only if they're dressed in pink.

stingray
04-24-2010, 12:24 PM
Wang and Cox drafted!!!

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:24 PM
If the Texans go Newhouse here I think the whole board will be happy again

Can't have that

stingray
04-24-2010, 12:25 PM
I want Matt Tennant...

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 12:25 PM
Can't have that

haha nope. If they were in the business of people pleasing then they would have picked Kyle Wilson and Toby Gerhart

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 12:25 PM
Can you picture the Buffalo crowd cheering for him!
"We want Wang! We Want Wang! We want Wang!"

their cheerleaders should chant it
LOL

Oz Texan
04-24-2010, 12:26 PM
I am hoping for Robert Johnson S/Utah

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:26 PM
Only if they're dressed in pink.

No more yankie my wangie. The Donger need food.

False Start
04-24-2010, 12:26 PM
Can you picture the Buffalo crowd cheering for him!
"We want Wang! We Want Wang! We want Wang!"

:lol:

alphajoker
04-24-2010, 12:27 PM
I'd like to see the Texans pick up Myron Rolle with their next pick - smart kid and it would address the safety need.

LikeMike
04-24-2010, 12:27 PM
Johnson, Newhouse, Rolle or Tennant would be fine here... but Im sure they`ll go bpa on their list again. Ide be pissed if we select another LB or TE, other than that Im hopeful.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 12:28 PM
I know....
a long snapper

JB
04-24-2010, 12:29 PM
Leon Washington & 7th traded for Seattle's 5th

Xcellerator
04-24-2010, 12:29 PM
Reshad Jones here, please!

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 12:29 PM
Man, Seattle is really getting a serious makeover

I was about to comment on how good their draft is right now. I think they have a chance at being a contender in the NFC West right away now that the Cardinals do not have a proven QB.

Lucky
04-24-2010, 12:29 PM
I know....
a long snapper
The Texans need a long snapper. Maybe not in the 5th round. But they need a long snapper.

False Start
04-24-2010, 12:30 PM
Boooooooooooo!

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 12:31 PM
I bet this team ends up with a QB in the 7th

brakos82
04-24-2010, 12:31 PM
Boooooooooooo!

:tomato:

Porky
04-24-2010, 12:31 PM
How about a G/C. Nah, it's probably be a punter from Northwest Dakota State. :slapfight:

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 12:32 PM
Everyone look away
there's about to be a Tony Bocelli sighting


....ugh too late

Oz Texan
04-24-2010, 12:32 PM
BOOOOOOOOsceli

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:32 PM
Those crazy Jags sure do draft to the beat of their own drum.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:32 PM
OK, well we're up now.

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 12:32 PM
NFLN needs to STFU about the Jets/Broncos draft and talk about some of the other teams picks.

dalemurphy
04-24-2010, 12:32 PM
commercial!

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 12:33 PM
Jags go with another D line

Oz Texan
04-24-2010, 12:33 PM
pick is in

brakos82
04-24-2010, 12:34 PM
NFLN needs to STFU about the Jets/Broncos draft and talk about some of the other teams picks.

Don't forget Seattle.

OrdinaryAvgGuy
04-24-2010, 12:34 PM
No more yankie my wangie. The Donger need food.

Au-to-mo-bile?

awtysst
04-24-2010, 12:34 PM
Cornerback

Oz Texan
04-24-2010, 12:34 PM
At least its a CB

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 12:34 PM
with their fifth pick, the Houston Texans select an accountant from the University of Phoenix On-Line

:backsout:

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:35 PM
got a CB. Off to google. back in a minute. LOL

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 12:35 PM
Im ok with another CB pick

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:35 PM
Sherrick McManis from Northwestern

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:35 PM
Now this guy must be Irish!

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1112/ncf_g_smcmanis1_400.jpg

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:36 PM
I wouldn't be upset with the Zoltan kid out of Michigan.

I admit it, if I was running a war room and I saw a guy named "Zoltan" in the 7th round, I would draft that son-of-a-*****

stingray
04-24-2010, 12:37 PM
He had five picks last year.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 12:38 PM
here's some stuff on him

Talented cornerback who earned an postseason all-star invite to the 2010 East-West Shrine Game (was unable to participate in the game due to injury) ... Invited to the NFL's 2010 Scouting Combine in Indianapolis ... Has tremendous football instincts ... Possesses skills that "you can't coach" ... Positioned sixth (tied with Willie Lindsey) on NU's career interceptions list with nine ... Ranks third on NU's career pass breakups list with 30 ... Despite being hampered with leg injuries his senior season, played in 10 of 13 games and was named team's 2009 Defensive MVP ... An outstanding special teams player.


from another site...

McManis, a tall, well-built corner, displays a physical element to his game against the run. He shows a willingness to take on blocks and is more than just a cover man. Looking comfortable when asked to sit into his back-pedal, he displays good flexibility and bend for his size. But he has a tendency to open his hips too early in the pass game and lacks ideal footwork to remain balanced. Allowing his footwork to get too overextended, McManis frequently turns his back to the play to gather himself. Possesses good straight-line speed when asked to turn and attack the football. Displays the ability to get up to full speed quickly. Has a tendency to bite on an initial shimmy and doesn't consistently keep his feet under him. He needs to learn to be more patient in his drop. Possesses a good physical skill set, can close on the football and isn't afraid to tackle. But he will struggle in man coverage at the next level until he improves his instincts and learns to keep his feet under him.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 12:38 PM
got a CB. Off to google. back in a minute. LOL

NFLN
McManis was a productive, three-year starter for Northwestern. He has a good combination of size and strength but lacks elite athleticism for the position. He runs well but lacks great quickness in transition and lateral agility. McManis has solid instincts in zone coverage but can lose leverage when in man schemes. He is limited at times in opening his hips to turn and run deep with top receivers. He isn't an explosive athlete but shows range once he gets going. He is a willing run-support defender but isn't physical and misses too often in space. McManis has some tools to build on, with decent return skills, but he lacks talent to contribute much as a rookie.

P-r-o-j-e-c-t

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 12:38 PM
Mike Mayock, NFL Network
144 -- Texans -- Sherrick McManis

McManis is a three-year starter from Northwestern with average speed that may project him inside to free safety. He had nine career INTs and adds value in the kick return game. Houston needs depth on the back end of their defense, and McManis is versitle enough to answer several needs.

Oz Texan
04-24-2010, 12:38 PM
From NFL.com

McManis was a productive, three-year starter for Northwestern. He has a good combination of size and strength but lacks elite athleticism for the position. He runs well but lacks great quickness in transition and lateral agility. McManis has solid instincts in zone coverage but can lose leverage when in man schemes. He is limited at times in opening his hips to turn and run deep with top receivers. He isn't an explosive athlete but shows range once he gets going. He is a willing run-support defender but isn't physical and misses too often in space. McManis has some tools to build on, with decent return skills, but he lacks talent to contribute much as a rookie.


Some downside here.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:39 PM
Seems like a Texans fit. Intelligent, work ethic, physical.

Played all 4 years of college so has experience

LINK (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1117294)

Overview
The all-state pick stayed home to play for the Wildcats, and four years later he leaves NU as one of the program's best ever cornerbacks. Garnering second-team All-Big Ten honors as a senior (37 tackles, five interceptions, seven pass breakups) cemented his status as one of the better senior cornerbacks in the country.

A four-year contributor, McManis started four games at NU as a true freshman and was a force on special teams. He returned kickoffs in his first two seasons, averaging 22.0 yards an attempt for his career. Earning the full-time starting corner spot in 2007, he made 75 tackles, 6.5 for loss, one interception and six pass breakups. He then popped onto scouts' radars with an honorable mention all-Big Ten season (65 tackles, interception, 13 pass breakups) as a junior.

McManis has the athleticism and aggressive nature to be an effective cornerback in a zone system at the next level. But the hamstring injury that caused him to leave the East-West Shrine Game early and leg injury forcing him to miss time in the 2009 season, in addition to his general lack of bulk, may cause durability concerns among scouts.

Analysis
Read & React: Zone corner, able to collapse on plays in front of him and read the quarterback to break on the ball. Does not watch receiver closely to identify runs, allowing himself to be taken out of the play.

Man Coverage: Plays some press-bail, rarely getting a hand on his receiver at the line. A bit rough coming out of his transition. Struggles to mirror on deep out routes. Has trouble staying with quick receivers downfield on double or hesitation moves. Good hands for the interception, can leap high or wide to bring in throws.

Zone Coverage: Smooth backpedal, can be a bit high but generally effective maintaining cushion. Not special coming back to the ball after opening his hips. Deal with rub routes well, identifies them and gets to new man quickly while keeping his eye in the backfield.

Closing/Recovery: Recovery speed is lacking, once beat it is hard for him to get back into the play against better quarterbacks and receivers. Has a burst and good hand-eye coordination when attacking short throws in front of him but too often has troubles finding the ball in the air when running downfield.

Run Support: Brings good effort against the run and quick screens on the edge. Receivers get a hold of him too easily outside, however, to keep him from supporting the run. Ducks his head when attacking plays, stopping the ballcarrier's progress from preventing him from wrapping effectively.

Tackling: Not contact-shy, likes to cut tackle and has the length to wrap up in the open field. Mostly a catch-and-drag tackler, though, without a lot of pop because of a lack of strength. Can be eluded or his arm tackles simply run through in space. Will get a shot on special teams because of his speed and length.

Intangibles: Quiet player off the field but willing to be mix it up and be vocal with his teammates. Intelligent player. Coaches love his athleticism and respect his work ethic.

Career Notes
Talented cornerback who earned an postseason all-star invite to the 2010 East-West Shrine Game (was unable to participate in the game due to injury) Invited to the NFL's 2010 Scouting Combine in Indianapolis Has tremendous football instincts Possesses skills that "you can't coach" Positioned sixth (tied with Willie Lindsey) on NU's career interceptions list with nine Ranks third on NU's career pass breakups list with 30 Despite being hampered with leg injuries his senior season, played in 10 of 13 games and was named team's 2009 Defensive MVP An outstanding special teams player.

awtysst
04-24-2010, 12:39 PM
McManus pick just put a lot of heat on Molden.

HouSportsWriter
04-24-2010, 12:39 PM
I admit it, if I was running a war room and I saw a guy named "Zoltan" in the 7th round, I would draft that son-of-a-*****

that is why you do not run a war room:kitten:

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 12:39 PM
NFLN


P-r-o-j-e-c-t

Or convert the guy to a FS

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 12:39 PM
Mike Mayock, NFL Network
144 -- Texans -- Sherrick McManis

McManis is a three-year starter from Northwestern with average speed that may project him inside to free safety. He had nine career INTs and adds value in the kick return game. Houston needs depth on the back end of their defense, and McManis is versitle enough to answer several needs.

There's your free safety!

Xcellerator
04-24-2010, 12:42 PM
We could have picked Donovan Warren instead of McManis. :/

Cam Thomas now off the board.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:42 PM
Mike Mayock, NFL Network
144 -- Texans -- Sherrick McManis

McManis is a three-year starter from Northwestern with average speed that may project him inside to free safety. He had nine career INTs and adds value in the kick return game. Houston needs depth on the back end of their defense, and McManis is versitle enough to answer several needs.

Mike Mayock and his practical knowledge:kitten:

How does he expect to compete with Mel Kiper's hair and love for Jimmy Clausen?

awtysst
04-24-2010, 12:43 PM
When the Texans were on the clock, my cell phone started ringing. I was hoping it was the Texans FO calling to inform me that I was drafted.

Sadly it wasn't!

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 12:43 PM
I admit it, if I was running a war room and I saw a guy named "Zoltan" in the 7th round, I would draft that son-of-a-*****

http://lgo.mit.edu/blog/drewhill/files/voltron.jpg

oh wait... you said Zoltan, not Voltron
my bad

Oz Texan
04-24-2010, 12:45 PM
There goes Johnson....to the titans...

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:45 PM
Cue board implosion!

Robert Johnson just went to the Tacks.

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 12:45 PM
Looks like Titans just took Robert Johnson, damn!

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:45 PM
After looking over the draft, I'm not sure if the Phil Eagles have enough pass rushers

New_Texans
04-24-2010, 12:46 PM
Johnson to the Tacks....


well...he does bite on play fakes :D Andre will have a field day with the kid...


but i wanted him to be a Texan too...McManis is a potential FS though.

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 12:46 PM
damn titans

awtysst
04-24-2010, 12:47 PM
Where are all the whiners complaining about RJ going to the Tacks?!
I can't hear you?!

Porky
04-24-2010, 12:47 PM
I actually like this pick quite a bit. Yes a bit of a project, but I think you convert this guy to FS and he might prove to be a quite capable back-up and spot starter and ST guy. He can also line up at CB if neccessary, although from all accounts is better in a zone style d as opposed to man.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 12:47 PM
So we got our FS project.

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 12:47 PM
Mesko to the Pats

Xcellerator
04-24-2010, 12:47 PM
Zoltan the punter drafted by the Patriots! xD

brakos82
04-24-2010, 12:47 PM
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/569/dudemeet020nc.jpg

Zoltan!

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:47 PM
Zoltan Mesko goes to the Pats.

Dammit, I really wanted this guy to replace Turk.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 12:48 PM
I am cool with this. Not the guy I was targeting, but I like what I see here.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 12:48 PM
There goes Zoltan.

WITH OUR PICK!?!

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 12:48 PM
I admit it, if I was running a war room and I saw a guy named "Zoltan" in the 7th round, I would draft that son-of-a-*****

our belichick

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 12:48 PM
I am cool with this. Not the guy I was targeting, but I like what I see here.

thought you werent watching anymore ;)

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 12:49 PM
McClain on 610 was saying that Texans should have gone Robert Johnson

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:49 PM
our belichick

Bellicheat does have a love for Eastern European ethnic names

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 12:51 PM
Is Al Davis even drafting for the Raiders now and they just got Jason Campbell

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 12:51 PM
McClain on 610 was saying that Texans should have gone Robert Johnson

Oddly, this makes me feel better that we passed on him.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 12:54 PM
thought you werent watching anymore ;)

Not watching, but I got the draft tracker going. I cant pull completely away after spending so much time scouting all these guys.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:54 PM
Is Al Davis even drafting for the Raiders now and they just got Jason Campbell

I really wanted Consentlessberger to go to Oakland and get destroyed behind that offensive line

The Raiders have been on fire this draft, so my boy Pistol Pete in Seattle may have won the draft

Lucky
04-24-2010, 12:54 PM
McClain on 610 was saying that Texans should have gone Robert Johnson
McClain knew nothing about Robert Johnson until the Texans brought him in for a visit. In fact, he still knows nothing about Robert Johnson. Or anyone else, for that matter.

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 12:55 PM
Oddly, this makes me feel better that we passed on him.

This is one time I agree with McClain and would rather have had Johnson instead of the guy from NW

Wolf
04-24-2010, 12:56 PM
McClain knew nothing about Robert Johnson until the Texans brought him in for a visit. In fact, he still knows nothing about Robert Johnson. Or anyone else, for that matter.

I wonder which one McClain thought he was?
http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=robert+johnson

:texanbill:

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:56 PM
McClain knew nothing about Robert Johnson until the Texans brought him in for a visit. In fact, he still knows nothing about Robert Johnson. Or anyone else, for that matter.


Would you draft a guy that sold his soul to hell for some crazy good guitar picking?

Or I am thinking of the wrong Robert Johnson?

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 12:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kbInOFqoLc

i just wtached this as a pick me up after the tacks took RJ. it worked!

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 12:59 PM
Ok so Jags just picked yet another D lineman

LikeMike
04-24-2010, 12:59 PM
Lol @Jags 1 DT and 3 DEs... aint anyone worth a damn playing in their D-Line?

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 12:59 PM
hey, what happened to our Travis Johnson pick?

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:00 PM
hey, what happened to our Travis Johnson pick?

We got a 6th for him.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 01:00 PM
hey, what happened to our Travis Johnson pick?

Patience my friend, the 6th round is on its way

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kbInOFqoLc

i just wtached this as a pick me up after the tacks took RJ. it worked!

Thanks for that.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 01:02 PM
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/569/dudemeet020nc.jpg

Zoltan!

Hey!! how did you get a picture of the Sunshine Club's super-secret member wave?
:bat:

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 01:04 PM
We got a 6th for him.
for some unknown reason I thought it was a 5th

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:05 PM
Thought Pike would of gone by now.

I'd be ok us picking him up

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:09 PM
There goes my man Jones.

Lucky
04-24-2010, 01:10 PM
Hey!! how did you get a picture of the Sunshine Club's super-secret member wave?
:bat:
There are women in the Sunshine Club? Who knew?

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 01:10 PM
now see, when I said draft a punter in the fifth, you guys snickered at me. now that Belichick has done just that (not to mention the cool name), it ain't such a weird idea now is it?

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:11 PM
for some unknown reason I thought it was a 5th

If he had gotten about 3 more snaps, it would have been.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 01:11 PM
There are women in the Sunshine Club? Who knew?
that's the super-secret part
:D

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:12 PM
now see, when I said draft a punter in the fifth, you guys snickered at me. now that Belichick has done just that (not to mention the cool name), it ain't such a weird idea now is it?

It just means y'all are doing the same drugs.

Xcellerator
04-24-2010, 01:13 PM
Matt Tennant off the board

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 01:13 PM
Saints trade up for Tennet.

Grams
04-24-2010, 01:15 PM
Fanaca just got let go by the Jets

Dash
04-24-2010, 01:15 PM
I want us to take a backup QB project, Pike would be decent value in this round.

ObsiWan
04-24-2010, 01:17 PM
Fanaca just got let go by the Jets

So what happens to his $5M in guaranteed money. Will his new team (if any) be stuck with that?

LikeMike
04-24-2010, 01:17 PM
Id be very happy with Faneca... Im sure he has some good years left in him.

Right now I think they should just go with bpa available, or most potential. I wouldn`t be against drafting a punter or even a kicker, or perhaps a backup QB like Pike or Lefevere.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:19 PM
So what happens to his $5M in guaranteed money. Will his new team (if any) be stuck with that?

The Jets have to pay him that if he doesn't get picked up.

If he does get picked up, then the Jets still have to pay the difference between his new contract and the guaranteed money.

Xcellerator
04-24-2010, 01:20 PM
Would still like Reshad Jones, Donovan Warren, Anthony McCoy, Myron Rolle, Johnathan Dwyer, or an OL. Preferably a S/CB/OL.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:20 PM
Big red!

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 01:23 PM
Would still like Reshad Jones, Donovan Warren, Anthony McCoy, Myron Rolle, Johnathan Dwyer, or an OL. Preferably a S/CB/OL.

I thoguth McCoy would have been gone by now, but at least Rolle and Jones are still on the board.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:24 PM
I thoguth McCoy would have been gone by now, but at least Rolle and Jones are still on the board.

McCoy has character concerns, one being mary jane.

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 01:25 PM
Would still like Reshad Jones, Donovan Warren, Anthony McCoy, Myron Rolle, Johnathan Dwyer, or an OL. Preferably a S/CB/OL.

Reshad is now a Phin.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 01:27 PM
I'm really pissed the Texans haven't picked my secret weapons .

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:27 PM
I'm really pissed the Texans haven't picked my secret weapons .

They were too secret. You should have promoted them more.

rollinstone18
04-24-2010, 01:28 PM
how about taking a chance on jevon snead with one of our 6ths?

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 01:29 PM
They were too secret. You should have promoted them more.

Then the other 31 teams would have found out .

http://www.paulsop.com/images/articles/20050102212214516_1.jpg

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:29 PM
how about taking a chance on jevon snead with one of our 6ths?

I wouldn't mind a QB but I like Lefevour. I wouldn't mind Pike.

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 01:30 PM
how about taking a chance on jevon snead with one of our 6ths?

Lefevour or Pike before Sneed.

steelbtexan
04-24-2010, 01:30 PM
Appartently the RB's were the problem with the run game. LOL

Maybe Busing is improving this offseason.

LOL

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:31 PM
Seems like every second pick the Steelers or Ravens take is an OLB

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:32 PM
Then the other 31 teams would have found out .

True dat.

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 01:33 PM
Lefevour or Pike before Sneed.

I like Jarrett Brown if this team is going to snag a developmental QB

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:35 PM
Seems like Pike and LeFevour have some strange disease only NFL teams know about.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 01:37 PM
3 more picks. Right now I think our draft is a C, for all the fuss I have put up. Jackson was a good pick, Tate was a good pick (not a Gerhart, but still a good pick), Mitchell I am coming around to (too much of a project for my liking, but we will see), I still dislike the LB, and The Pencil Neck is forcing me to at least accept the TE. The CB/FS is interesting, I did not have him ranked too highly, but I am glad they addressing an area of need.

3 more picks to improve the grade. I want an OL or two, and maybe an offensive weapon.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:37 PM
My top 10 right now:

1. Jonathon Dwyer, RB
2. George Selvie, Rush End
3. Donovan Warren, CB
4. Kurt Coleman, S
5. Blair White, WR
6. Marshall Newhouse, OG
7. Tony Pike, QB
8. Tony Washington, OT
9. Jeff Byers, OG
10. Kyle Calloway, OT

Not that anyone cares...

Errant Hothy
04-24-2010, 01:38 PM
Newhouse is a Packer

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:38 PM
Oops. There goes Newhouse.

So Dekoda Watson is next up on my list.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:39 PM
Tony Washington is worth a look.

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 01:39 PM
My top 10 right now:

1. Jonathon Dwyer, RB
2. George Selvie, Rush End
3. Donovan Warren, CB
4. Kurt Coleman, S
5. Blair White, WR
6. Marshall Newhouse, OG
7. Tony Pike, QB
8. Tony Washington, OT
9. Jeff Byers, OG
10. Kyle Calloway, OT

Not that anyone cares...

Newhouse off the board. I would be interested in Dwyer or White or an OG

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:41 PM
That TE from Houston the Rams just took was not one of the 2500 or so people Keyser had on his draft spreadsheet.

Does that make that pick a reach?

awtysst
04-24-2010, 01:41 PM
3 more picks. Right now I think our draft is a C, for all the fuss I have put up. Jackson was a good pick, Tate was a good pick (not a Gerhart, but still a good pick), Mitchell I am coming around to (too much of a project for my liking, but we will see), I still dislike the LB, and The Pencil Neck is forcing me to at least accept the TE. The CB/FS is interesting, I did not have him ranked too highly, but I am glad they addressing an area of need.

3 more picks to improve the grade. I want an OL or two, and maybe an offensive weapon.

Remember though, you have to give higher weight to higher picks. A 1st is expected to be a playmaker and a second is expected to be a key rotational guy. We got 2 starters. Our third is a guy who can become a key rotational guy. That right there is an A-.

The next three are a B-/C+ area for me. But considering the top 3 are much higher weighted, I am in the B+ area right now. Conversely if the bottom 3 become superstars and the top 3 flame out, the grade goes to about a D.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 01:41 PM
Newhouse is a Packer

Well ... they're not going to pick a Packer . :peek:

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:44 PM
That TE from Houston the Rams just took was not one of the 2500 or so people Keyser had on his draft spreadsheet.

Does that make that pick a reach?

Is Shann Schillinger in Keyser's list? He's not in mine. This is the 3rd guy so far not on my list.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 01:45 PM
Is Shann Schillinger in Keyser's list? He's not in mine. This is the 3rd guy so far not on my list.

He is my number 1 small school FS. Solid pick here.

Hardcore Texan
04-24-2010, 01:46 PM
3 more picks. Right now I think our draft is a C, for all the fuss I have put up. Jackson was a good pick, Tate was a good pick (not a Gerhart, but still a good pick), Mitchell I am coming around to (too much of a project for my liking, but we will see), I still dislike the LB, and The Pencil Neck is forcing me to at least accept the TE. The CB/FS is interesting, I did not have him ranked too highly, but I am glad they addressing an area of need.

3 more picks to improve the grade. I want an OL or two, and maybe an offensive weapon.

We have 2 in the 6th and 1 in the 7th right? Do you know what numbers the picks are?

I bet dollars to donuts that we grab another late round QB, I think Kubiak wants to try and coach one up to be at least a solid back up if not more. Who's out there at QB that might go?

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 01:47 PM
Byers would be nice

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 01:48 PM
He is my number 1 small school FS. Solid pick here.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/SLEEPERS.php

Wolf
04-24-2010, 01:48 PM
we have 2 in the 6th and 1 in the 7th right? Do you know what numbers the picks are?

I bet dollars to donuts that we grab another late round qb, i think kubiak wants to try and coach one up to be at least a solid back up if not more. Who's out there at qb that might go?

187,197, 227

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 01:49 PM
http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/SLEEPERS.php

And ?

Grams
04-24-2010, 01:49 PM
we have 2 in the 6th and 1 in the 7th right? Do you know what numbers the picks are?

I bet dollars to donuts that we grab another late round qb, i think kubiak wants to try and coach one up to be at least a solid back up if not more. Who's out there at qb that might go?

187, 197, 227

JB
04-24-2010, 01:51 PM
Anthony Dixon to the niners...

Dwyer still sitting

Thorn
04-24-2010, 01:52 PM
I need to go to the grocery store for food and beer. I can't believe I'm sitting here watching the 6th round. LOL

rollinstone18
04-24-2010, 01:52 PM
still some decent d-line prospects in jeff owens, greg hardy, george selvie, boo robinson and vince oghobaase

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:54 PM
Lucky Dwyer didn't go to the draft... he'd be a lonely, lonely man by now.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 01:54 PM
Greg Hardy gone

Jackie Chiles
04-24-2010, 01:55 PM
Tony Washington is worth a look.

Is that the guy that had..... relations with his sister? Registered sex offender I think.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:55 PM
ESPN still has us down as having Tony Moeaki TE.

Useless.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 01:55 PM
Is that the guy that had..... relations with his sister? Registered sex offender I think.

I thought... "that guy"... went to the Titans.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:56 PM
Is that the guy that had..... relations with his sister? Registered sex offender I think.

Absolutely.

I wonder how he and the nephew of Al Sharpton would get on.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:57 PM
I thought... "that guy"... went to the Titans.

He did.

In one of our mock drafts.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 01:58 PM
Damn, Smith was a player that I was hoping the Texans would grab.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 01:59 PM
I genuinely like Tony Pike as a QB prospect.

What has he done to take him from 5th best QB, 3rd round pick, to 6th rounder?

gary
04-24-2010, 02:00 PM
Any good wideouts anyone has their eyes on?

texasguy346
04-24-2010, 02:01 PM
I genuinely like Tony Pike as a QB prospect.

What has he done to take him from 5th best QB, 3rd round pick, to 6th rounder?

I like him too. I think with some development he could be a solid QB.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 02:05 PM
Any good wideouts anyone has their eyes on?

My wideout list goes like this:

1. Blair White
2. Dezmon Briscoe
3. Danario Alexander
4. David Gettis
5. Antonio Brown

LonerATO
04-24-2010, 02:05 PM
Byers would be nice

I agree sir

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 02:06 PM
My wideout list goes like this:

1. Blair White
2. Dezmon Briscoe
3. Danario Alexander
4. David Gettis
5. Antonio Brown

Trindon Holliday, LSU?

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 02:07 PM
There goes everyones favourite sleeper back to the Jags.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 02:08 PM
Trindon Holliday, LSU?

That is who I am looking at. Let JJ work on becoming a full time receiver.

Lucky
04-24-2010, 02:09 PM
I genuinely like Tony Pike as a QB prospect.

Dan LeFevour would be another QB I'd like the Texans to bring in. Orlovsky is not the answer.

Lucky
04-24-2010, 02:10 PM
Dan LeFevour would be another QB I'd like the Texans to bring in. Orlovsky is not the answer.
Never mind.

Porky
04-24-2010, 02:11 PM
I genuinely like Tony Pike as a QB prospect.

What has he done to take him from 5th best QB, 3rd round pick, to 6th rounder?

At least we didnt take Rusty Smith from some tiny School in Floirda. Kirwin just gave them a D- for that pick. LOL.

No. 176: Titans select: Rusty Smith, QB, FAU Grade D-

Analysis: Rusty Smith has injury concerns and may not make the team. There are better QBs out there.

Dash
04-24-2010, 02:12 PM
Lefevour is off the board dammit. Please take Pike Texans.

gary
04-24-2010, 02:15 PM
About three more picks to go.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 02:15 PM
Blount is still there right?

Could be a late steal

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 02:17 PM
Eric Olsen, there is another guy I thought would go earlier.
Blount is still there.

Xcellerator
04-24-2010, 02:17 PM
Pike, Dwyer, Warren, Selvie, Rolle, Briscoe, or Alexander here would do.

texasguy346
04-24-2010, 02:18 PM
Eric Olsen, there is another guy I thought would go earlier.
Blount is still there.

I don't know if the Texans FO would take a guy like Blount. I think he'd be a great value here though.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 02:19 PM
Well ... it seems the Jags have read my secret weapon list and took Deji Karim .

I fear if we don't take Joe Webb , Quentin Scott , and Levi Brown ... we'll lose every game next year . :rake:

texasguy346
04-24-2010, 02:20 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans take Kyle McCarthy late or even Myron Rolle.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 02:20 PM
Pike, Warren, Calloway, Black, Larsen, Smith, Rolle, McGivens....

texasguy346
04-24-2010, 02:22 PM
No CSU guys thus far. I bet we take at least one. Looked at NFL.com and they show OG Shelley Smith available.

Mailman
04-24-2010, 02:23 PM
This is a great spot to pick up a QB.

Mike Kerns
04-24-2010, 02:23 PM
If we don't take an OG here, I wonder if we've reached out to Faneca.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 02:23 PM
There's my boy McCoy.

Seattle is going to win it all this year!!!



(and by it all I mean the NFC West)

Dan B.
04-24-2010, 02:23 PM
No CSU guys thus far. I bet we take at least one. Looked at NFL.com and they show OG Shelley Smith available.

Also Render, and it seems we like VTech guys.

texasguy346
04-24-2010, 02:24 PM
Eric Cook is still available as well. He would be a nice value pick.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 02:24 PM
Here we go, here we go, here we go.

Grams
04-24-2010, 02:25 PM
Texans pick - commercial

Maddict5
04-24-2010, 02:26 PM
Also Render, and it seems we like VTech guys.

duane and adibi havent exactly lit it up since arriving. might be a bit offputting

pbat488
04-24-2010, 02:27 PM
No CSU guys thus far. I bet we take at least one. Looked at NFL.com and they show OG Shelley Smith available.

Hahahaha winner, winner, chicken dinner!

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 02:27 PM
And the winner is....

The Colorado State guy obviously!

Wolf
04-24-2010, 02:27 PM
Texans pick - commercial

kinda the norm it seems lol
:kitten:

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 02:27 PM
No CSU guys thus far. I bet we take at least one. Looked at NFL.com and they show OG Shelley Smith available.

good call

awtysst
04-24-2010, 02:27 PM
Colorado State's Shelly SMith. There you go!

texasguy346
04-24-2010, 02:27 PM
I knew we'd take a CSU player.

Thorn
04-24-2010, 02:27 PM
and Shelly Smith it is.