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ArlingtonTexan
04-23-2010, 09:21 PM
still

New_Texans
04-23-2010, 09:21 PM
now...this pick is perplexing...hes a tiny DT. 6'3 213 pounds...on the bright side it fills a need :fingergun:

ArlingtonTexan
04-23-2010, 09:22 PM
now...this pick is perplexing...hes a tiny DT. 6'3 213 pounds...

sure that's a miss type

stingray
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
now...this pick is perplexing...hes a tiny dt. 6'3 213 pounds...

wtf?

pbat488
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
now...this pick is perplexing...hes a tiny DT. 6'3 213 pounds...

Haha, you got wrong info from somewhere... he's listed as 6' 1 1/4 and 294 on nfldraftscout..

pbat488
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
From http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/archive/1113447?tag=pageRow;pageContainer
Quick hit: 02/19/2010 - PRO POTENTIAL: DT Earl Mitchell - Spent his first two seasons as an underused H-back/fullback before switching to defense. His relative inexperience at the position is a plus because scouts can project a bigger upside. He's strong and chiseled but doesn't have the raw size to necessarily be an NFL run-plugger. His speed and mobility helped him to 6.5 sacks and 12.5 tackles for loss as a senior. Mitchell, who performed well at the East-West Shrine Game, projects to be a mid-round pick. He'll be at the NFL scouting combine.

From http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/earl-mitchell?id=496822
Mitchell was a productive two-year starter for the Wildcats. He is a short, athletic interior defender who is best when in a stunting mode. His best asset is his initial quickness, which enables him to gain leverage on larger blockers to penetrate the line of scrimmage. He lacks great power to anchor versus double teams but understands angles and plays with good pad level to be effective in most one-on-one situations. He flashes good initial punch, but needs to become more active with his hands to disengage to the ball. Mitchell flashes as a pass rusher but needs to expand his initial moves and counters to be a consistent contributor at the next level. Mitchell is a bit of a project with only two years' experience as a defensive tackle after converting from tight end. He could be a versatile player as an interior lineman in an even front while having added value as a possible lead blocker in short-yardage and goal-line situations.

GP
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
sure that's a miss type

Has to be.

If it isn't, I need a baseball bat and a few stray cats.

stingray
04-23-2010, 09:24 PM
He's 296 LBS

Texan4Ever
04-23-2010, 09:24 PM
NFL.com has him listed as 6'3" 215-lbs, he is actually 315-lbs. Great pick IMO, had a solid season last year and can be that BIG DT we've been looking for. Excellent choice, a bit of a reach but a solid football player here.

New_Texans
04-23-2010, 09:25 PM
Phew! I was a bit worried, now i feel a lot better.

LikeMike
04-23-2010, 09:26 PM
Pass rush: At least moderate initial quickness and can get skinny to slide through the gap and disrupt the play immediately. Quick, active hands to battle inside. Flashes a good swim and rip move, but needs to use each more often. Relies too much on a marginally effective bull rush. Has a second burst to close when he has a lane, but tires quickly. Struggles to change direction and too often can be eluded for a defensive tackle with his size and relative athleticism.

Run defense: Flashes a quick burst laterally to penetrate. Good balance in tight quarters and feel to handle the trap block. Plays stouter than his frame would indicate due to good use of leverage and leg drive, but is never going to be a true run-stuffer. Hustles laterally in pursuit.

Explosion: Can surprise the guard with his initial burst to slip through the gap. Quick, active hands and good upper body strength to knock the offensive lineman back off the snap.

Strength: Good leg drive to lock out and anchor, though he lacks the bulk to hold up to double-teams. Can push offensive guards into the pocket to create a disruption in the running game. Good strength for the drag-down tackle while still engaged with the blocker.

Tackling: Classic catch and drag-down tackler. Has a burst to close and flashes some pop when given space to gain momentum. Provides good effort laterally, but isnít able to stalk the ball-carrier, showing only marginal body control.

Intangibles: Caught 13 passes for 174 yards and two touchdowns in 2006-07 as a part-time starting H-back. Missed the 2009 game against Washington due to a freak injury to his eye after it was hit by the corner of a door. Highly respected by fans, teammates and the coaching staff. Voted a 2009 team captain. Struggled with academics early in his career, but was named a winner of the National Academic Momentum Award which is presented by the Scholar-Baller Program in conjunction with the National Consortium for Academics and Sports. High-effort player with some legitimate upside as a relative neophyte at the position.

stingray
04-23-2010, 09:26 PM
Here's his resume..

Overview
Mitchell signed with Arizona as a 250-pound fullback and tight end. Facing the option of not seeing the field much with the Wildcats' switch to a spread offense in 2008, Mitchell trusted the coaching staff that asked him to make the move to defensive tackle. It proved to be a wise career move.

Mitchell impressed in his first season at defensive tackle, leading the Wildcats' defensive line with 40 tackles, as well as posting 5.5 tackles for loss and 1.5 sacks. Despite extra focus from opponents as a senior, Mitchell improved his totals, racking up 48 stops, 12.5 tackles for loss and 5.5 sacks despite missing a start against Washington due to an eye injury.

A strong performance during the week of practice at the East-West Shrine Game helped Mitchell develop some momentum heading into the final months before the draft. NFL scouts love Mitchell's athleticism and work ethic, but may struggle to find a spot for him at his size. Some even feel his future position in the NFL might lie back on the offensive side of the ball as a fullback.

Analysis
Pass rush: At least moderate initial quickness and can get skinny to slide through the gap and disrupt the play immediately. Quick, active hands to battle inside. Flashes a good swim and rip move, but needs to use each more often. Relies too much on a marginally effective bull rush. Has a second burst to close when he has a lane, but tires quickly. Struggles to change direction and too often can be eluded for a defensive tackle with his size and relative athleticism.

Run defense: Flashes a quick burst laterally to penetrate. Good balance in tight quarters and feel to handle the trap block. Plays stouter than his frame would indicate due to good use of leverage and leg drive, but is never going to be a true run-stuffer. Hustles laterally in pursuit.

Explosion: Can surprise the guard with his initial burst to slip through the gap. Quick, active hands and good upper body strength to knock the offensive lineman back off the snap.

Strength: Good leg drive to lock out and anchor, though he lacks the bulk to hold up to double-teams. Can push offensive guards into the pocket to create a disruption in the running game. Good strength for the drag-down tackle while still engaged with the blocker.

Tackling: Classic catch and drag-down tackler. Has a burst to close and flashes some pop when given space to gain momentum. Provides good effort laterally, but isn't able to stalk the ball-carrier, showing only marginal body control.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1113447

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 09:26 PM
I'm surprised that they passed over the other available DTs. Then again, I'm not surprised because Smithiak always does the unexpected. Welcome to the team Earl!

Jackie Chiles
04-23-2010, 09:26 PM
Wow, 4.73 forty.

maddogmrb
04-23-2010, 09:27 PM
Perhaps we drafted him as a short-yardage back!

I would've rather drafted Colt McCoy to groom than another under-sized DL.

stingray
04-23-2010, 09:28 PM
Apparently, he is a very fast undersized DT. Came to Arizona as fullback.

Texan4Ever
04-23-2010, 09:29 PM
Not much here but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV9GETdslAw&feature=fvw


During a scrimmiage, Houston guy who can control opposing linemen. Might be a bit better then what you see, you never know.

Austrian
04-23-2010, 09:30 PM
At least they showed some highlights of him on ESPN.

JB
04-23-2010, 09:31 PM
I think Smithiak may see him as another Antonio Smith

nero THE zero
04-23-2010, 09:34 PM
Amobi Okoye, you are officially on the hot seat.

imatexan
04-23-2010, 09:34 PM
Hmm not sure what I think about this one but I love the Tate pick!!!

New_Texans
04-23-2010, 09:36 PM
Amobi Okoye, you are officially on the hot seat.

I dont think so, its just more depth to keep all the linemen fresh. Also, now you have two quick DT on 3rd down situations...thats really dangerous and awesome.

Pocky
04-23-2010, 09:37 PM
LZ's take:

Earl Mitchell has terrific 3 technique skills motor and quickness. You are on notice okoye

Bill Kollars kind of guy. Pass rushing penetrator inside

I had Mitchell in my texans defensive draft board for texans on my blog - just not this high but not a huge surprise he is a texan

http://twitter.com/LanceZierlein

Also, Mitchell grew up in Houston. He played at North Shore HS. Nobody on this board ever heard of him??

maddogmrb
04-23-2010, 09:38 PM
If we're going to draft projects, why not Bruce Campbell of Maryland .... at least he has the physical characteristics to work with?

GP
04-23-2010, 09:38 PM
I think Smithiak may see him as another Antonio Smith

I think they see him as the guy on 3rd and short who eats up two blockers at the snap, and might even squeeze by them and get into the backfield.

We needed a human planet on that DL, and we just got one.

This tells us how much Smithiak wants our DL to put some lead in their asses and be a bit more forceful at the snap.

ArlingtonTexan
04-23-2010, 09:38 PM
I think Smithiak may see him as another Antonio Smith

Amobi Okoye, you are officially on the hot seat.

Seems to project as a rotational DT who is a pass-rush specialist versus a guy who looks like a starter.

eriadoc
04-23-2010, 09:38 PM
He's strong and chiseled but doesn't have the raw size to necessarily be an NFL run-plugger.

Run defense: Flashes a quick burst laterally to penetrate. Good balance in tight quarters and feel to handle the trap block. Plays stouter than his frame would indicate due to good use of leverage and leg drive, but is never going to be a true run-stuffer. Hustles laterally in pursuit.

I guess that settles that. I think the "pass rushing DT" position would be a bit more effective on this team if they had a true big guy to eat up space. JMO.

New_Texans
04-23-2010, 09:38 PM
Earl is also a Houstonian!! Welcome back home, Earl!

nero THE zero
04-23-2010, 09:38 PM
I dont think so, its just more depth to keep all the linemen fresh. Also, now you have two quick DT on 3rd down situations...thats really dangerous and awesome.

They already had that with Antonio Smith. Amobi hasn't lived up to expectations, he needs someone to push/replace him. The Texans obviously agree.

nero THE zero
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
Seems to project as a rotational DT who is a pass-rush specialist versus a guy who looks like a starter.

Do you think Amobi is evolving into more of a 2 down player?

maddogmrb
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
Or this guy .... http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/draft/prospect?prospectId=301580

ArlingtonTexan
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
Do you think Amobi is evolving into more of a 2 down player?

I don't think he ever going to be a star Dt, so he will need to be rotated

Texan4Ever
04-23-2010, 09:43 PM
BTW, not to take away from the thread, but why not put all the Texans picks in one thread and discuss the players there?

drewmar74
04-23-2010, 09:44 PM
Has to be.

If it isn't, I need a baseball bat and a few stray cats.

:spit:

Post of the night.

pbat488
04-23-2010, 09:45 PM
BTW, not to take away from the thread, but why not put all the Texans picks in one thread and discuss the players there?

I think it's much better the way it is. Able to go in to each players thread and read/add whatever I like instead of sifting through 50 pages of mixed posts. Maybe once the draft is complete then have a single thread, but not during the draft.

nero THE zero
04-23-2010, 09:45 PM
Not anymore.

I guess I'm confused then. If you don't think Mitchell could be someone to push/replace Amobi, and think he's (Mitchell) only a specialist, where does that leave Amobi/our 3-tech position?

New_Texans
04-23-2010, 09:45 PM
They already had that with Antonio Smith. Amobi hasn't lived up to expectations, he needs someone to push/replace him. The Texans obviously agree.

Wait, we went into this draft looking for a DT to play alongside Okoye, Mario, and Smith to replace Cody and relieve Okoye. Drafting at DT doesn't mean that they are particularly targeting Okoye; this pick is there to add another speed rusher on the inside to add to overall defensive line depth. Which makes the entire line better as a whole if Mitchell pans out.

stingray
04-23-2010, 09:46 PM
Earl had 6 sacks lat year. Not bad at all.

ArlingtonTexan
04-23-2010, 09:47 PM
BTW, not to take away from the thread, but why not put all the Texans picks in one thread and discuss the players there?

Think some of the guys would get Lost in a big thread. I mean the kareem thread is already gazillion pages long, much of it hogwash where Earl Mitchell would barely be noticed.

nero THE zero
04-23-2010, 09:47 PM
Wait, we went into this draft looking for a DT to play alongside Okoye, Mario, and Smith to replace Cody and relieve Okoye. Drafting at DT doesn't mean that they are particularly targeting Okoye; this pick is there to add another speed rusher on the inside to add to overall defensive line depth. Which makes the entire line better as a whole if Mitchell pans out.

I guess some clarity on the strengths of Mitchell are due, but from the short amount of info posted here, he seems to be the quintessential 3-tech (re: Amobi's position.)

GP
04-23-2010, 09:48 PM
:spit:

Post of the night.

Thank you. I have endured a lot this week, and tonight I was in no mood for us to spend a 3rd rounder on a 6'3" 215 lb. DT.

I would have potentially needed an overnight room in the local psychiatric ward.

alphajoker
04-23-2010, 09:49 PM
Amobi Okoye, you are officially on the hot seat.

I think if anyone is on the hot seat it's Okam.

pbat488
04-23-2010, 09:49 PM
I guess I'm confused then. If you don't think Mitchell could be someone to push/replace Amobi, and think he's (Mitchell) only a specialist, where does that leave Amobi/our 3-tech position?

We don't really have a 1-Technique in the classical sense of the word. Sure, our DT plays the 1-Technique, but he isn't just a run stuffer. Our defensive line seems to be patterned after the 2006-07 Giants, where it was essentially 4 DEs lined up who just tried to get upfield to the QB. In regards to most other DTs, we look for smaller, quick, penetrating tackles who can get into the pocket and terrorize the QB.

This is exactly what Mitchell sounds to be.

TheDrifter
04-23-2010, 09:50 PM
As a North Shore alumni I am THRILLED about this one. Always great to see one of our guys make it to the pros, and playing for US??? Im over the moon.

New_Texans
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
I guess some clarity on the strengths of Mitchell are due, but from the short amount of info posted here, he seems to be the quintessential 3-tech (re: Amobi's position.)

Dude, look...basically imagine this on a 3rd and long. Barwin, Mitchell, Amobi, Williams thats all speed rushing at all 4 DL positions. Then you can pull Barwin, Amobi, and Mitchell out for Smith on 3rd downs (and of course for the other down linemen as well) to have the DLmen constantly fresh and constantly rotating...this is a good thing.

GP
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
Wait, we went into this draft looking for a DT to play alongside Okoye, Mario, and Smith to replace Cody and relieve Okoye. Drafting at DT doesn't mean that they are particularly targeting Okoye; this pick is there to add another speed rusher on the inside to add to overall defensive line depth. Which makes the entire line better as a whole if Mitchell pans out.

We also saw that Okam and Cody were likely a way the Texans coaches could try and sort out Amobi's long-term value at DT for us.

Well, here we go and draft a DT in the 3rd round. Granted, it's not a 1st round DT. Not even a 2nd round DT. But with our THIRD pick, we take a DT.

We didn't grab a TE, or a WR, or a FS, or a LB, or an OG, or OT, or C.

We took a DT. That speaks volumes to me, but I also am angry that I wa sin such huge support of the Okoye pick and it's on the verge of busting. So I have some bad intentions as it relates to my theories about what we might do with the DT position.

stingray
04-23-2010, 09:52 PM
Delete

threetoedpete
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
Cam Thomas is still on the board. 20 seconds

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah


trade back to the chiefs

gwallaia
04-23-2010, 10:19 PM
Alabama
Auburn
Arizona

Interesting strategy only drafting players from schools that start with the letter "A".
What is Smith and Kubiak up to?

triplethreat
04-23-2010, 10:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FgzV4MRXcU&feature=related

nero THE zero
04-23-2010, 10:22 PM
Dude, look...basically imagine this on a 3rd and long. Barwin, Mitchell, Amobi, Williams thats all speed rushing at all 4 DL positions. Then you can pull Barwin, Amobi, and Mitchell out for Smith on 3rd downs (and of course for the other down linemen as well) to have the DLmen constantly fresh and constantly rotating...this is a good thing.

I see where you're coming from. I just don't see Smith coming off the field. Assuming that's true, you have Mario-Smith-______-Barwin on third downs. Assuming/hoping that missing piece is Mitchell, he's by default pushing Amobi to a two down player, at least. And, if he does that successfully, you'd think he'd be pushing Amobi for his spot on the team, seeing as how pass rush is supposed to be Amobi's game.

False Start
04-23-2010, 10:25 PM
We have another HWWNBN, (;)) Mitchell said hes never been to an NFL game before. Hes on 610 right now.

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 10:30 PM
I see where you're coming from. I just don't see Smith coming off the field. Assuming that's true, you have Mario-Smith-______-Barwin on third downs. Assuming/hoping that missing piece is Mitchell, he's by default pushing Amobi to a two down player, at least. And, if he does that successfully, you'd think he'd be pushing Amobi for his spot on the team, seeing as how pass rush is supposed to be Amobi's game.

they can rotate all different guys. thats what the best d-lines do. and if amobi doesnt deserve to be on the field then why keep him out there just cos hes a first rounder to the detriment of the team. it forces him to step up or sit down

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 10:40 PM
At this point, Okoye may be keeping his spot in the rotation due to the Travis Johnson effect

El Tejano
04-23-2010, 11:07 PM
He's a pretty athletic dude because he also used to be a TE in highschool, then Halfback in college and now DT. He may be a Henry Melton kind of guy. I had him as the eight best DT on my draft board as the 51st player on my board. Alot of people projected him in the 3rd or 4th.

I think we are going to learn to like this pick.

nero THE zero
04-23-2010, 11:34 PM
I see where you're coming from. I just don't see Smith coming off the field. Assuming that's true, you have Mario-Smith-______-Barwin on third downs. Assuming/hoping that missing piece is Mitchell, he's by default pushing Amobi to a two down player, at least. And, if he does that successfully, you'd think he'd be pushing Amobi for his spot on the team, seeing as how pass rush is supposed to be Amobi's game.

Not to toot my own horn, but:

Earl Mitchell has terrific 3 technique skills motor and quickness. You are on notice okoye

At 6-2, 296, Mitchell is a smallish defensive tackle and his selection in the third round seems like a message to Amobi Okoye that the Texans are not satisfied with his production at the 3-technique.

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 11:38 PM
Wasn't Okoye being used more as a big run-stuffing DT last season? I'm not very knowledgeable on DTs, but I thought that even though Okoye was drafted as a penetrator he started to develop more into a guy who can anchor and stop the run. It would make sense if that is the case since they could put Mitchell out beside him as a penetrator. It is also possible that I just completely fabricated that out of nothing.

hookinreds
04-23-2010, 11:39 PM
Alabama
Auburn
Arizona

Interesting strategy only drafting players from schools that start with the letter "A".
What is Smith and Kubiak up to?

I made that same comment to my buddy too.

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 11:41 PM
I made that same comment to my buddy too.

It gets tiring looking through pages and pages of prospects, its a real time saver to pick from the first page of schools.

Honoring Earl 34
04-23-2010, 11:41 PM
The dude was also a captain . :fingergun:

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 11:44 PM
Alabama
Auburn
Arizona

Interesting strategy only drafting players from schools that start with the letter "A".
What is Smith and Kubiak up to?

Appalachia state here we come...

Ole Miss Texan
04-23-2010, 11:48 PM
Alabama
Auburn
Arizona

Interesting strategy only drafting players from schools that start with the letter "A".
What is Smith and Kubiak up to?

I was hoping we were going with an SEC theme and would grab Mike Johnson or Geno Atkins! lol

Honoring Earl 34
04-23-2010, 11:56 PM
Who had the faster 10 yd split Earl or Dwyer ?

TheIronDuke
04-24-2010, 12:03 AM
Hate to ask but I was on a date, what happened with the 3rd rounder we got from the Vikings from the 2nd round trade down?

Jackie Chiles
04-24-2010, 12:06 AM
Hate to ask but I was on a date, what happened with the 3rd rounder we got from the Vikings from the 2nd round trade down?

Traded to KC for their early 4 and a 5th.

keyser
04-24-2010, 12:07 AM
Who had the faster 10 yd split Earl or Dwyer ?

The data I have for 40/20/10:
Earl: 4.75 / 2.69 / 1.56
Dwyer: 4.64 / 2.69 / 1.6

If that's correct, then that's pretty impressive, to have a faster 10 yd. split than a RB!

TheIronDuke
04-24-2010, 12:08 AM
Traded to KC for their early 4 and a 5th.

Thanks! Stock-piling those picks, good thing I guess.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 12:09 AM
The data I have for 40/20/10:
Earl: 4.75 / 2.69 / 1.56
Dwyer: 4.64 / 2.69 / 1.6

If that's correct, then that's pretty impressive, to have a faster 10 yd. split than a RB!

Yep ... that's why they picked Mitchell and didn't look at Dwyer .

threetoedpete
04-24-2010, 12:25 AM
now...this pick is perplexing...hes a tiny DT. 6'3 213 pounds...on the bright side it fills a need :fingergun:

He's a local beast from the east. North Shore HS.

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mitchell_earl00.html

Arizona: 3L... Team co-captain in 2009... One of Arizona's true freshmen offensive regulars in 2006, Mitchell has progressed to become a key in the defensive front... Big athlete and one of the top 11 players on offense or defense throughout his career... Moved to defensive tackle in spring '08 after two years as a tight end and H-back in the program, and the move was effective... Clearly the consistent factor up front for the No. 24-rated Wildcat total defense, leading all linemen with 40 hits... Career-high eight tackles against Toledo... Strong down the stretch with 16 hits in the final four games... Coaches' citation for defensive player of the week against UCLA and ASU... Had a good two years as a big man in the backfield on offense... Caught five passes for 38 yards, (including the first `spread offense' receiving touchdown at BYU) in 2007... Had a kickoff return for eight yards vs. UCLA from a wing position... Five starts as a tight end or H-back... Caught nine passes for 136 yards in 2006... First touchdown catch was a game-igniting play at Oregon... Career-best two grabs in LSU, Cal and Oregon games... Seven starts as the big back or tight end... Rushed four times for seven yards in short-yardage situations... Had UA's lone blocked kick of the year, a tipped punt at LSU... One of the Cats' early commitments in '06 class... Helped continue the program's recruiting focus in the greater Houston area...

High School: North Shore Senior High School, Galena Park, Texas, 2006... 2005 first-team All-District 23-5A honors for coach David Aymond... 5A All-Region III second-team... No. 9 tight end on Texas HS Football.com top 200 ... Houston Chronicle top 5 area receivers recruit... Dave Campbell's Texas Football Top 10 tight end... Dallas Morning News State 100... Rivals.com postseason Texas 100 honors... SuperPrep All-Midlands... SuperPrep All-Southwest in 2005... Mustangs were 11-1 under coach Dave Aymond in 2005, their lone loss in area playoffs... San Antonio Express Texas 100, No. 82... Port Arthur News area top prospects list as tight end...

Personal: Academic major is interdisciplinary studies... Follows some North Shore products that were UA starters - Sean Jones, Chris Johnson, Michael Jolivette and Reggie Sampay... Date of birth: Sept. 25, 1987.

threetoedpete
04-24-2010, 12:27 AM
I'm taking this selection as a personnel little love letter to Amobi Okoye. Do it or get off the pot.

Blake
04-24-2010, 12:29 AM
I'm taking this selection as a personnel little love letter to Amobi Okoye. Do it or get off the pot.

Agree 100%. Okoye has officially been put on notice. Lets home he gets the message.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 12:35 AM
Agree 100%. Okoye has officially been put on notice. Lets home he gets the message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-7Qf2xzbfM&feature=related

CloakNNNdagger
04-24-2010, 12:52 AM
Earl Mitchell - Arizona (HT: 6-1ĺ - WT: 315 - 40: 4.73)
Projection: 5th Round

This site analyzes all the decent DTs in the draft LINK (http://www.sidelinescouting.net/rankings/dt.shtml)

They projected him as a 5th Rounder:

Positives: Has a very complete skill set, great speed/quickness (best 40-time among DT at combine) and ball location skills... Very active in the backfield, good instincts, does a nice job anticipating the snap count and gets good initial quickness off the snap... Run-stuffer, does a nice job clogging the middle... Bulked up 30 lbs. prior to this season and did not lose quickness or explosiveness... Humble, will do whatever is needed to help the team win... Versatile, is a converted H-Back, keeps improving and gains confidence each game at DT.

Negatives: Occasionally runs past the play and opens up big holes inside... Inexperienced at DT, came to Arizona as a TE and H-Back and was moved to DT in 2008... Projects only as a 4-3 under tackle... Freak injury forced him to miss a game this season.

mariowillshine15
04-24-2010, 01:05 AM
Earl Mitchell - Arizona (HT: 6-1ĺ - WT: 315 - 40: 4.73)
Projection: 5th Round

This site analyzes all the decent DTs in the draft LINK (http://www.sidelinescouting.net/rankings/dt.shtml)

They projected him as a 5th Rounder:

Someone here posted a scouting report where he was projected 2-3.

It's all in the eyes of the beholder and obviously they thought he was worth it.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 01:08 AM
I think that if you can't get the QB in college , you have no chance in the NFL . Mitchell had more sacks last year than alot of prospects had in their careers .

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2010, 01:17 AM
This is a pick that the scouting department put their badge on the table for IMO. Hopefully the player scales. If this is what the FO needed to serve a wake up call to Okoye, I hope it would have been someone that Okoye would have taken notice to.

Smith has been active, I like it, but I do not trust our scouting department, never have.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 01:25 AM
This is a pick that the scouting department put their badge on the table for IMO. Hopefully the player scales. If this is what the FO needed to serve a wake up call to Okoye, I hope it would have been someone that Okoye would have taken notice to.

Smith has been active, I like it, bur I do not trust our scouting department, never have.

Badge on the table , like if he ain't guilty , take my badge .

I think with big guys , the number #1 thing is ... do they have a motor . I think that sacks are like rebounds , you have to hustle . He had 6.5 sacks as a DT his sr. year ... not bad .

Esoom
04-24-2010, 02:04 AM
He's a local beast from the east. North Shore HS.

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mitchell_earl00.html



Northshore dominated us every year we played, until I think we finally got out of their division or whatever.

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 03:31 AM
I think that if you can't get the QB in college , you have no chance in the NFL . Mitchell had more sacks last year than alot of prospects had in their careers .

He plays really low and gets under pads, being under 6'2" is almost an advantage for him. I just hope his speed translates.

Brisco_County
04-24-2010, 04:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FgzV4MRXcU&feature=related

What stands out in these highlights is how fast he shoots the gap. That's what they've been trying to get out of Okoye but haven't.

threetoedpete
04-24-2010, 07:13 AM
Agree 100%. Okoye has officially been put on notice. Lets hope he gets the message.
PFW's Nolan Nawrocki

17 (81) Houston: DT Earl Mitchell, Arizona

The Texans have not received the consistent production that was expected out of first-round pick Amobi Okoye. Earl Mitchell really opened some eyes at the Combine when he clocked sub-4.9 40-times and has physical talent to be molded. He could provide an immediate return as an inside nickel rusher and develop into an every-down contributor in time.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/04/22/pick-by-pick-analysis-round-three

thunderkyss
04-24-2010, 07:35 AM
We took a DT. That speaks volumes to me, but I also am angry that I wa sin such huge support of the Okoye pick and it's on the verge of busting. So I have some bad intentions as it relates to my theories about what we might do with the DT position.

I don't think Amobi is on the verge of busting. I know/remember why so many wanted him on this board... He was projected to be solid, up until now, when he would be dominant. Remember how young he is, and the coaching he's had since he's been here, couldn't have been easy for him.

With Frank Bush's attitude, and Bill Kollar's tuteledge for two straight years, I think Amobi is going to be just fine.

I do believe the Texans are telling us what they want to see on the DL. 3 techs. Of all the DTs that have come to Houston, Okam is the only one that wasn't a 3 tech. Amobi is the only one that looked like a traditional 3 (IMHO), a shorter, stouter DE. The others are threes, that looked like they should be run stoppers. TJ, DelJuan, etc... Antonio Smith, & even Weaver played well when moved inside.

I'm hoping this confusion about Mitchell's weight, is just some typo error, and not signs of a weight problem.

http://www.wildcatsportsreport.com/images/stories/FootballOffense/SMUEarl1.jpg


http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000SHLiMuWHvdM/s

Porky
04-24-2010, 07:44 AM
I'm warming up to Mitchell some. This was a guy not really on my radar. I generally prefer to get players that are more proven in rounds 1-3. We did that in spades in roudn 1 and 2. This guy seems like a project. Granted, his upside looks tremendous, so it could pay off handsomely down the road but I wonder what kind of contribution he makes in 2010? Was it a reach? This guy seems like a guy you pick between rounds 4-6, but apparently Smithiak seems something they really like. I'm on board, because Smithiak has proven themselves to me, but for no other real reason.

I also wonder if we couldn't be thinking of using this guy on offense in goal-line or short yardage situations. He has plenty of experience at TE and HB. Use him at TE or FB, and get creative.

thunderkyss
04-24-2010, 07:52 AM
I also wonder if we couldn't be thinking of using this guy on offense in goal-line or short yardage situations. He has plenty of experience at TE and HB. Use him at TE or FB, and get creative.

I would think we'd use the FB & TEs we've got with plenty of experience for all that.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:19 AM
I'm totally on board with the Mitchell pick. DT is a position where he will get some playing time right away, he will get some penetration, cause some disruption and when he learns to play the position the sky is the limit.

Lucky
04-24-2010, 09:42 AM
I'm good with the Mitchell pick, too. I was thinking Georgia's Geno Atkins, who has similar size/speed numbers to Mitchell. I wouldn't mind the Texans double dipping at DT, and looking at a larger NT type. Atkins' teammate, Kade Weston, fits that profile.

rmartin65
04-24-2010, 11:15 AM
I am beginning to come around to accept this too. DT is a need. And it is becoming quite apparent that the Texans wont draft a big run stuffer. Still, I dont like it. Too much of a project for my liking. Oh well, it was better than our second 4th round pick.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:03 PM
Haven't been on this board in months, so I have to ask:

Are we still pretending that Amobi Okoye isn't a huge bust?

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2010, 12:12 PM
Haven't been on this board in months, so I have to ask:

Are we still pretending that Amobi Okoye isn't a huge bust?

Yes.

So ZIP it.

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 12:20 PM
We needed to address the pass rush this season yet again. Most people think that means take DE but we've got plenty of capable DEs who can get pressure from the outside. What we don't have is someone who can collapse the pocet.

Earl Mitchell has the talent to do just that. He's an athletic DT with a quick first step. Hopefully this year when Mario and Barwin come screaming from the edge the QB won't be able to step up in a perfectly formed pocket.

We get push up the middle and our sack numbers improve exponentially. IF Earl Mitchell can push that pocket then he's an excellent pick in the 3rd round.

The1ApplePie
04-24-2010, 12:38 PM
Yes.

So ZIP it.

Good to know

Revolution
04-24-2010, 12:40 PM
We needed to address the pass rush this season yet again. Most people think that means take DE but we've got plenty of capable DEs who can get pressure from the outside. What we don't have is someone who can collapse the pocet.

Earl Mitchell has the talent to do just that. He's an athletic DT with a quick first step. Hopefully this year when Mario and Barwin come screaming from the edge the QB won't be able to step up in a perfectly formed pocket.

We get push up the middle and our sack numbers improve exponentially. IF Earl Mitchell can push that pocket then he's an excellent pick in the 3rd round.

Agreed. Excellent pick. He will provide the pressure up the middle that we have been lacking.

Number19
04-24-2010, 01:31 PM
I'm on board with this pick. My big question is how long will it take for him to supplant Okoye, not just on passing downs, but full time.

Going back and reviewing the analysis for Okoye, two things jumped right out which have proven true: "...lacks pass rush moves despite eight sacks as a senior" and "...most effective when utilized to clog the inside rush lanes rather than pursue the passer...".

The same draft site, in addition to Mitchell's explosion and quickness off the snap, describes Mitchell as having "quick, active hands to battle inside" and "flashes a good swim and rip move".

I think the big question is whether he will develope into an effective run stopper on first and second downs.

I did notice that he improved some of his combine numbers at his pro day. His final numbers are:

40 time:..........4.75
bench press:...25 reps
vert jump:........33"
twenty yd:.......2.69
ten yd:............1.56
broad jump:.....9'-6"
shuttle:............4.55
cone:...............7.31

These numbers are what drove him up the boards and are right there with Suh and McCoy. The only thing these two have on Mitchell is two more inches in height and a lot more experience. It's frustrating to have the team draft these "projects" but the upside and potential is there. He may prove to be an upgrade for the pass rush this next season, but by 2011 Okoye may be out and we may have a full time player.

(edit) 40 time.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 01:33 PM
I'm on board with this pick. My big question is how long will it take for him to supplant Okoye, not just on passing downs, but full time.

Going back and reviewing the analysis for Okoye, two things jumped right out which have proven true: "...lacks pass rush moves despite eight sacks as a senior" and "...most effective when utilized to clog the inside rush lanes rather than pursue the passer...".

The same draft sight, in addition to Mitchell's explosion and quickness off the snap, describes Mitchell as having "quick, active hands to battle inside" and "flashes a good swim and rip move".

I think the big question is whether he will develope into an effective run stopper on first and second downs.

I did notice that he improved some of his combine numbers at his pro day. His final numbers are:

40 time:..........5.75
bench press:...25 reps
vert jump:........33"
twenty yd:.......2.69
ten yd:............1.56
broad jump:.....9'-6"
shuttle:............4.55
cone:...............7.31

These numbers are what drove him up the boards and are right there with Suh and McCoy. The only thing these two have on Mitchell is two more inches in height and a lot more experience. It's frustrating to have the team draft these "projects" but the upside and potential is there. He may prove to be an upgrade for the pass rush this next season, but by 2011 Okoye may be out and we may have a full time player.

It's a 4.75 .

CloakNNNdagger
04-24-2010, 04:07 PM
Someone here posted a scouting report where he was projected 2-3.

It's all in the eyes of the beholder and obviously they thought he was worth it.

Don't kill the messenger. I totally agree. I just posted this profile to present contrasting opinions out there. I just hope that the DL is not being one-dimensionally directed to the QB while forgetting to even wave "Bye bye" to designated rusher.

TimeKiller
04-24-2010, 04:10 PM
I like the pick even if I'm not up on the player. Definite need and reading the scouting report he sounds like a guy with some tools that needs coaching. Love the quickness, a DT should never be running more than 10 yards to tackle the QB/RB anyway. This is a definite message to ALL of the DTs as none of them stand out. I think Okoye already sees the writing on the wall. He is the least contributing 1st round pick this regime has made and it's not really close. Cody and Zgonina are stop gaps so they feel the pressure too. Okam...well...

76Texan
04-24-2010, 06:04 PM
Mitchell is a player who had come on latety.
I have him on my wish list (as an option in the 4th rd), but IMO he still has a lot to learn and to adjust to.
He's still very inconsistent. I like his potential and all, but I think he will struggle for awhile if they put him on the field too early.

Either we will say a fond farewell to Zgonina or bid adieu to Okam as we embrace the concept of penetrating DT and forget about that ellusive NT many of us wish for.

Now if all they want for Mitchell to do is to penetrate the gap then he can join the rotation soon. But if they ask him to do too much (like all the things they ask of our other DTs) he will struggle, IMHO.

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 10:02 PM
I went to north shore hs with earl. Hes a good guy, hoping he does well. Can't do any worse than bust-obi okoye

With a big guy , the first thing you ask is , does he have a motor . I think Earl is a football player first and foremost . He had those sacks against USC and was player of the week , they were timely sacks at that .

thunderkyss
04-24-2010, 11:43 PM
I'm on board with this pick. My big question is how long will it take for him to supplant Okoye, not just on passing downs, but full time.


I seriously doubt the plan is to supplant Okoye. I would bet the Texans will use him the way we use Antonio Smith on passing downs, as a DT next to Okoye.

I understand we aren't seeing the numbers from Okoye, but this defense is pretty good with him. We ended the season 13th overall, and that's with a ridiculous September. Over the last 13 weeks of the season, we were as good as any defense in the league. With Okoye playing a large number of those snaps.

If Mitchell pans out, I think he's just going to allow Smith to take some plays off, and tighten up the Barwin/Smith rotation.

The Pencil Neck
04-25-2010, 01:12 AM
Strangely, Sports Illustrated gives Earl Mitchell a 2-3 round grade and according to their scoring system is the 2nd best player we drafted. They've got Ben Tate ranked lower. According to their scoring system, they expect Earl to be an immediate contributor.

WalterFootball does not share this opinion on Mitchell.

I'm starting to warm to this pick.

(Sports Illustrated sees Dorin Dickerson as the 4th best player we picked and Walter Football agrees that Dorin Dickerson was a 3rd-4th round talent.)

threetoedpete
04-25-2010, 03:12 PM
We needed to address the pass rush this season yet again. Most people think that means take DE but we've got plenty of capable DEs who can get pressure from the outside. What we don't have is someone who can collapse the pocet.

Earl Mitchell has the talent to do just that. He's an athletic DT with a quick first step. Hopefully this year when Mario and Barwin come screaming from the edge the QB won't be able to step up in a perfectly formed pocket.

We get push up the middle and our sack numbers improve exponentially. IF Earl Mitchell can push that pocket then he's an excellent pick in the 3rd round.

Earl Mitchell isn't here to push anything. this guy was drafted to slip between the center and the guard at the snap of the ball and end up in the face of the QB in under two seconds. Read: a weapon of mass destruction aimed straight at Payton Manning's nose.

Kaiser Toro
04-25-2010, 03:51 PM
Upon further review, dude looks explosive, seems like a sound fella, and is a Houston native - can't really dog this one, since I did not do my homework.

Honoring Earl 34
04-25-2010, 03:56 PM
Upon further review, dude looks explosive, seems like a sound fella, and is a Houston native - can't really dog this one, since I did not do my homework.

Ya know , I was expecting better of you since your a GM of three teams .

Kaiser Toro
04-25-2010, 04:13 PM
Ya know , I was expecting better of you since your a GM of three teams .

You should know better, pimping ain't easy.

Wolf
04-25-2010, 04:16 PM
You should know better, pimping ain't easy.

now we know why you were late to the draft war room
http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/p/pimpin_aint_easy-12630.jpg

otisbean
04-25-2010, 04:40 PM
I'm excited to see what this guy can do. I believe he had the fastest 10yd split of any DT (1.56 I believe, sorry if this has been posted). I think he helps the pass rush get better in a hurry.

BigBull17
04-25-2010, 04:50 PM
If we're going to draft projects, why not Bruce Campbell of Maryland .... at least he has the physical characteristics to work with?

And hasn't really shown it as a football player. No one knew him till he ran a 40 and jumped high. This guys has great tape, is just limited.

beerlover
04-26-2010, 12:56 AM
I'm happy as hell with this selection, although a little high it would seem, he has great upside & personally will enjoy hanging out with his family @ Texans games.

Carr Bombed
04-26-2010, 01:02 AM
And hasn't really shown it as a football player. No one knew him till he ran a 40 and jumped high. This guys has great tape, is just limited.



Plus you can never go wrong with a guy named EARL. I like this guy alot.

maddogmrb
04-26-2010, 10:12 AM
Hey, just what we needed was another under-sized DT to let the OLine thru to block our under-sized MLB.

Blake
04-26-2010, 11:01 AM
Hey, just what we needed was another under-sized DT to let the OLine thru to block our under-sized MLB.

6'3" 295 is undersized?

maddogmrb
04-26-2010, 11:33 AM
6'3" 295 is undersized?

Yes, see Amobi Okoye.....

Also, with an undersized MLB, we need someone to keep the OLine off him.

Blake
04-26-2010, 11:47 AM
Yes, see Amobi Okoye.....

Also, with an undersized MLB, we need someone to keep the OLine off him.

This just shows your lack of knowledge. I dont think you understand our defensive scheme. I dont think you know about any other teams besides the Texans roster, which is why you used Okoye above.

The Texans want a penitrating DT. A disrupter. A QB sacker. Someone who can get in the backfield and create havok. So far Okoye hasnt gotten that done which is why we drafted Mitchell.

If you think a 6'4" 350 DT is going to burst off the ball and split the guard/center then you are off your rocker.

And why are you calling DeMeco Ryans undersized? Let me guess, you are just talking out your ass again.

DeMeco Ryans 6'1" 250
Ray Lewis 6'1" 250
Patrick Willis 6'1" 240

Source: NFL.COM

HOU-TEX
04-26-2010, 11:57 AM
This just shows your lack of knowledge. I dont think you understand our defensive scheme. I dont think you know about any other teams besides the Texans roster, which is why you used Okoye above.

The Texans want a penitrating DT. A disrupter. A QB sacker. Someone who can get in the backfield and create havok. So far Okoye hasnt gotten that done which is why we drafted Mitchell.

If you think a 6'4" 350 DT is going to burst off the ball and split the guard/center then you are off your rocker.

And why are you calling DeMeco Ryans undersized? Let me guess, you are just talking out your ass again.

DeMeco Ryans 6'1" 250
Ray Lewis 6'1" 250
Patrick Willis 6'1" 240

Source: NFL.COM

Let's not forget our other "undersized" LB's. Cushing - 6'3", 260 lbs and Diles - 6'2", 240 lbs

Blake
04-26-2010, 12:04 PM
Let's not forget our other "undersized" LB's. Cushing - 6'3", 260 lbs and Diles - 6'2", 240 lbs

lol yeah. How did I forget about Smalls and Tiny.

maddogmrb
04-26-2010, 12:05 PM
This just shows your lack of knowledge. I dont think you understand our defensive scheme. I dont think you know about any other teams besides the Texans roster, which is why you used Okoye above.

The Texans want a penitrating DT. A disrupter. A QB sacker. Someone who can get in the backfield and create havok. So far Okoye hasnt gotten that done which is why we drafted Mitchell.

If you think a 6'4" 350 DT is going to burst off the ball and split the guard/center then you are off your rocker.

And why are you calling DeMeco Ryans undersized? Let me guess, you are just talking out your ass again.

DeMeco Ryans 6'1" 250
Ray Lewis 6'1" 250
Patrick Willis 6'1" 240

Source: NFL.COM


Well excellent, let's just keep watching our talented MLB forced to make tackles 5-7 yards downfield because we have NO strength at the LOS in front of him.

Blake
04-26-2010, 12:09 PM
Well excellent, let's just keep watching our talented MLB forced to make tackles 5-7 yards downfield because we have NO strength at the LOS in front of him.

Ok I am done here. You obviously dont have a damn clue. Just talkin to hear yourself talk at this point.

thunderkyss
04-26-2010, 12:27 PM
Earl Mitchell isn't here to push anything. this guy was drafted to slip between the center and the guard at the snap of the ball and end up in the face of the QB in under two seconds. Read: a weapon of mass destruction aimed straight at Payton Manning's nose.

Just to clarify, because I think you are right... we're talking about the A gap here, not the 3.

Jackie Chiles
04-26-2010, 01:22 PM
Well excellent, let's just keep watching our talented MLB forced to make tackles 5-7 yards downfield because we have NO strength at the LOS in front of him.

Did you watch the last 13 games of the season last year? We were stopping the run cold. Personally that was one of the most exciting things I've seen since day 1 of the franchise. This team could be a top 5 rush defense next season. I fully expect them to give up less than 90 yards rushing per game.

bckey
04-26-2010, 02:34 PM
Did you watch the last 13 games of the season last year? We were stopping the run cold. Personally that was one of the most exciting things I've seen since day 1 of the franchise. This team could be a top 5 rush defense next season. I fully expect them to give up less than 90 yards rushing per game.

They couldn't stop Jones Drew when they needed to get the ball back. The Jags just ran out the clock.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2010, 02:45 PM
Well excellent, let's just keep watching our talented MLB forced to make tackles 5-7 yards downfield because we have NO strength at the LOS in front of him.

What team were you watching last season? Because our LBs were getting penetration and making TFLs.

A couple of years ago, I wanted a big planetsized DT to soak up blockers like a Siragusa. But that's not the defense we play. And after the first 3 games of last season, our defense was pretty good.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2010, 02:46 PM
They couldn't stop Jones Drew when they needed to get the ball back. The Jags just ran out the clock.

And in a bunch of other instances, this defense DID get the ball back.

Nobody wins them all.

GuerillaBlack
04-26-2010, 03:14 PM
They couldn't stop Jones Drew when they needed to get the ball back. The Jags just ran out the clock.

That's probably why Jackie Chiles said the last 13 games of the season. The Jags game where MJD ran all over us was in Week 3. But, the defense definitely got the ball back and effectively stopped the run in plenty of other games. Hell, we were tops in the league in 3-and-outs.

WolverineFan
04-26-2010, 03:31 PM
What team were you watching last season? Because our LBs were getting penetration and making TFLs.

A couple of years ago, I wanted a big planetsized DT to soak up blockers like a Siragusa. But that's not the defense we play. And after the first 3 games of last season, our defense was pretty good.

Impossible!! We don't have a 340 lb NT!! :strangle:

bckey
04-26-2010, 03:56 PM
That's probably why Jackie Chiles said the last 13 games of the season. The Jags game where MJD ran all over us was in Week 3. But, the defense definitely got the ball back and effectively stopped the run in plenty of other games. Hell, we were tops in the league in 3-and-outs.


No it was a critical game on Dec. 6 when we had already lost 3 division games in a row. It was the same game that Chris Brown threw stagger lee II. The defense needed to stop Jacksonville so that they could get the ball back before time ran out. Jones Drew picked up like 3 first downs in a row and put the game away.

During that critical 4 game division run the Texans gave up 72, 228, 114, and 107 yards. The one game with 72 yards Peyton threw for 306 yards. The other 2 games against division opponents were early on in the season before they got a handle on stopping all those long runs. Those 2 games the Titans got 240 yards and the Jags got 185 yards. So in our 6 division games the Texans gave up 946 rushing yards for an average of 157.6 yards rushing per game.

Now if you take out the Texans division games it leaves a total of 765 rushing yards by non division opponents for a whopping average of 76.5 per game. You could say we did even better than that if you throw out the opener against the Jets. It brings the avg down to 63.8 per game.

It looks like the Texans have trouble in their own division which is no suprise to most. It has been one of the arguments against Kubiak that he can't win against teams in his own division.

I do like the progress the defense made last year under Frank Bush. If they improve to top 10 this year on defense then I believe the Texans will make the playoffs.

Blake
04-26-2010, 03:59 PM
That's probably why Jackie Chiles said the last 13 games of the season. The Jags game where MJD ran all over us was in Week 3. But, the defense definitely got the ball back and effectively stopped the run in plenty of other games. Hell, we were tops in the league in 3-and-outs.

Here is what I have. 4.0 YPC was middle of the pack last year. So we werent awful. We had some good streches where we kept teams under 3 YPC and some bad streches where teams were over 5.0 YPC.

Week 1 vs. NYJ - 42 attempts - 190 yards - 4.52 YPC.
Week 2 @ TEN - 25 attempts - 240 yards - 9.6 YPC.
Week 3 vs. JAX - 32 attempts - 185 yards - 5.78 YPC.
Week 4 vs. OAK - 21 attempts - 45 yards - 2.14 YPC.
Week 5 @ ARI - 16 attempts - 44 yards - 2.75 YPC.
Week 6 @ CIN - 17 attempts - 46 yards - 2.70 YPC.
Week 7 vs. SF - 19 attempts - 59 yards - 3.10 YPC.
Week 8 @BUF - 20 attempts - 97 yards - 4.85 YPC.
Week 9 @ IND - 18 attempts - 72 yards - 4.0 YPC.
Week 10 BYE
Week 11 vs. TEN - 42 attempts - 228 yards - 5.4 YPC.
Week 12 vs. IND - 23 attempts - 114 yards - 4.95 YPC.
Week 13 @ JAX - 36 attempts - 107 yards - 2.97 YPC.
Week 14 vs. SEA - 24 attempts - 62 yards - 2.58 YPC.
Week 15 @ STL - 27 attempts - 88 yards - 3.38 YPC.
Week 16 @ MIA - 16 attempts - 60 yards - 3.75 YPC.
Week 17 vs. NE - 19 attempts - 74 yards - 3.89 YPC.

MojoMan
04-26-2010, 03:59 PM
Impossible!! We don't have a 340 lb NT!! :strangle:

Big Frank Okam (http://www.nfl.com/players/frankokam/profile?id=OKA415291)
Ht: 6'5"
Wt: 340

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Houston+Texans+v+Kansas+City+Chiefs+8Q57pY0fPgml.j pg

El Tejano
04-26-2010, 04:37 PM
They couldn't stop Jones Drew when they needed to get the ball back. The Jags just ran out the clock.

If you are talking about our first game against them after we had the fumble in the endzone, you would be incorrect. Go back and look at the tape. We did stop him, Mario makes a great shirt tackel from behind (after the inside rush forced MJD outside and stops him from getting the first down, but the ref called it a horse collar tackle when clearly Mario grabbed only shirt and not the pads. That was on a 3rd down and the penalty helped seal our fate.

bckey
04-26-2010, 05:05 PM
If you are talking about our first game against them after we had the fumble in the endzone, you would be incorrect. Go back and look at the tape. We did stop him, Mario makes a great shirt tackel from behind (after the inside rush forced MJD outside and stops him from getting the first down, but the ref called it a horse collar tackle when clearly Mario grabbed only shirt and not the pads. That was on a 3rd down and the penalty helped seal our fate.

No I was talking the 2nd Jags game.


No it was a critical game on Dec. 6 when we had already lost 3 division games in a row. It was the same game that Chris Brown threw stagger lee II. The defense needed to stop Jacksonville so that they could get the ball back before time ran out. Jones Drew picked up like 3 first downs in a row and put the game away.

During that critical 4 game division run the Texans gave up 72, 228, 114, and 107 yards. The one game with 72 yards Peyton threw for 306 yards. The other 2 games against division opponents were early on in the season before they got a handle on stopping all those long runs. Those 2 games the Titans got 240 yards and the Jags got 185 yards. So in our 6 division games the Texans gave up 946 rushing yards for an average of 157.6 yards rushing per game.

Now if you take out the Texans division games it leaves a total of 765 rushing yards by non division opponents for a whopping average of 76.5 per game. You could say we did even better than that if you throw out the opener against the Jets. It brings the avg down to 63.8 per game.

It looks like the Texans have trouble in their own division which is no suprise to most. It has been one of the arguments against Kubiak that he can't win against teams in his own division.

I do like the progress the defense made last year under Frank Bush. If they improve to top 10 this year on defense then I believe the Texans will make the playoffs.

m5kwatts
04-26-2010, 06:07 PM
Big Frank Okam (http://www.nfl.com/players/frankokam/profile?id=OKA415291)
Ht: 6'5"
Wt: 340

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Houston+Texans+v+Kansas+City+Chiefs+8Q57pY0fPgml.j pg

Seeing Okam with his hands on a quarterback is like spotting bigfoot or the loch ness monster

threetoedpete
04-27-2010, 11:03 AM
The first three games.....Chushing was dinged with a camp foot and Pollard was walking the streets. Once those two pieces were added, they made a pretty fair unit against the run. The only questions for next year is can we get everyone out of camp healthy and will Pollard become a liability in coverage ? Even year I'm assuming will have a health Mario for most of the sixteen games.

I'm also wondering if Okoye has gotten the message he's about to good will himself out of a NFL pay check ?

dalemurphy
04-27-2010, 11:11 AM
No I was talking the 2nd Jags game.

I remember that. It was a very unfortunate situation where MJD made some very nice runs to ice the game. That is the difference between good and great. We were good against the run. We were able to shutdown a couple of good running team: Cincinnati, Miami and stopped all the bad ones. However, Jacksonville and Tennessee were able to have some success against us. If we want to be great, then we definitely have some improving to do. No doubt about that!

BullNation4Life
04-27-2010, 11:56 AM
If you want to know why the Texans drafted Earl Mitchell, watch this video. this is the guy who Mitchell has been linked to as being just like coming off the line of scrimmage. If Mitchell is ANYTHING like #93, chubbies will ensue...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QERsU3dsDYE&feature=related

Pretty much same size, speed and energy, it is said Mitchell has a very high motor...

Rey
04-27-2010, 01:19 PM
I guess everybody has got to be compared to somebody

Jackie Chiles
04-27-2010, 02:02 PM
Would love to see a piece in the Chron soon about this guy. Shouldn't be too tough to get some great insight from his HS coach.

Rey
04-27-2010, 02:11 PM
Earl Mitchell, DT, Arizona
Third round (81st overall)

Strahm: "What we were looking for inside. 6-2, 300 pounds. North Shore High School in Houston. Interesting guy. Very versatile. In '06, he was a tight end and fullback and started six games. '07, they moved him to tight end – H-back kind of guy. They needed some girth, they needed some power in the middle on defense because they couldn't stop anybody, so they asked Earl to come over and play defense and he was a two-year starter at tackle. He's got great quickness. Very powerful. Love his motor. He's a team leader – co-captain. He needs to refine his pass rush skills. He started there 37 out of 49 games, so he's an excellent prospect inside. Big upside because he's so versatile."


http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6136

BigBull17
05-03-2010, 12:02 PM
This just shows your lack of knowledge. I dont think you understand our defensive scheme. I dont think you know about any other teams besides the Texans roster, which is why you used Okoye above.

The Texans want a penitrating DT. A disrupter. A QB sacker. Someone who can get in the backfield and create havok. So far Okoye hasnt gotten that done which is why we drafted Mitchell.

If you think a 6'4" 350 DT is going to burst off the ball and split the guard/center then you are off your rocker.

And why are you calling DeMeco Ryans undersized? Let me guess, you are just talking out your ass again.

DeMeco Ryans 6'1" 250
Ray Lewis 6'1" 250
Patrick Willis 6'1" 240

Source: NFL.COM

Yeah, we built out Lb Corp that way. Our Dline disrupts, the LB's clean up. I have given up talking to him as well, its like talking to my dog. As nicly as I ask him and as many times as I explain it to him, he still gets into my trash.

badboy
05-03-2010, 12:14 PM
Seeing Okam with his hands on a quarterback is like spotting bigfoot or the loch ness monsterYou want to believe it but there is minimal factual evidence.

thunderkyss
05-03-2010, 12:34 PM
You want to believe it but there is minimal factual evidence.

True it is minimal... but it's good to see when you see it
http://images.chron.com/photos/2009/08/15/17897022/600xPopupGallery.jpg

Ole Miss Texan
05-03-2010, 02:12 PM
True it is minimal... but it's good to see when you see it
http://images.chron.com/photos/2009/08/15/17897022/600xPopupGallery.jpg

That was preseason... :lol:

maddogmrb
05-03-2010, 06:36 PM
Here is what I have. 4.0 YPC was middle of the pack last year. So we werent awful. We had some good streches where we kept teams under 3 YPC and some bad streches where teams were over 5.0 YPC.

Week 1 vs. NYJ - 42 attempts - 190 yards - 4.52 YPC.
Week 2 @ TEN - 25 attempts - 240 yards - 9.6 YPC.
Week 3 vs. JAX - 32 attempts - 185 yards - 5.78 YPC.
Week 4 vs. OAK - 21 attempts - 45 yards - 2.14 YPC.
Week 5 @ ARI - 16 attempts - 44 yards - 2.75 YPC.
Week 6 @ CIN - 17 attempts - 46 yards - 2.70 YPC.
Week 7 vs. SF - 19 attempts - 59 yards - 3.10 YPC.
Week 8 @BUF - 20 attempts - 97 yards - 4.85 YPC.
Week 9 @ IND - 18 attempts - 72 yards - 4.0 YPC.
Week 10 BYE
Week 11 vs. TEN - 42 attempts - 228 yards - 5.4 YPC.
Week 12 vs. IND - 23 attempts - 114 yards - 4.95 YPC.
Week 13 @ JAX - 36 attempts - 107 yards - 2.97 YPC.
Week 14 vs. SEA - 24 attempts - 62 yards - 2.58 YPC.
Week 15 @ STL - 27 attempts - 88 yards - 3.38 YPC.
Week 16 @ MIA - 16 attempts - 60 yards - 3.75 YPC.
Week 17 vs. NE - 19 attempts - 74 yards - 3.89 YPC.

Were most of our good numbers against teams without much of a rushing offense?

Ole Miss Texan
05-03-2010, 08:43 PM
Were most of our good numbers against teams without much of a rushing offense?

10 teams (games) had 4.0 YPC against us 6 teams (games) had over 4.0 YPC.

4 of the teams (games) that had over 4.0 YPC against us were a Top 10 rushing team. The other two were 16th and 32nd in the league at rushing.

3 of the teams we limited to 4.0 YPC or under were Top 10 rushing teams. 5 of them were in the top half.

BigBull17
05-05-2010, 12:52 AM
10 teams (games) had 4.0 YPC against us 6 teams (games) had over 4.0 YPC.

4 of the teams (games) that had over 4.0 YPC against us were a Top 10 rushing team. The other two were 16th and 32nd in the league at rushing.

3 of the teams we limited to 4.0 YPC or under were Top 10 rushing teams. 5 of them were in the top half.

Benson was the top rusher in the NFL when we shut him down, if I remember correctly.

Hooston Texan
05-05-2010, 10:48 AM
Were most of our good numbers against teams without much of a rushing offense?

Best way to compare apples to apples is ask how the teams did against us compared to how they did overall. Here's how it stacks up on a yards-per-carry basis (note that I'm using Super Mario's numbers for the game average and ESPN's final stats for the season average).

Games we allowed a team to significantly beat its own average:
at Tennessee (9.6 ypc game versus a 5.2 season average)
Jacksonville (5.78 game; 4.5 season)
at Buffalo (4.85 game; 4.4 season)
at Indy (4.0 game; 3.5 season)
Indy (4.95 game; 3.5 season)

Games where opponents basically hit their average:
NYJets (4.52 game; 4.5 season)

Games where we held team well below its average:
Oakland (2.14 game; 4.1 season)
at Arizona (2.75 game; 4.1 season)
at Cincy (2.7 game; 4.1 season)
SF (3.1 game; 4.3 season)
Tennessee (4.95 game; 5.2 season)
at Jax (2.97 game; 4.5 season)
Seattle (2.58 game; 4.0 season)
at St. Louis (2.58 game; 4.3 season)
at Miami (3.75 game; 4.4 season)
New England (3.89 game; 4.1 season)

As has been noted ad nauseum, our defense in weeks 4-17 was radically different than the sad-sacks that took the field in the first three games. Of the six games where we allowed an opponent to match or beat its yearly ypc average, three were the first three weeks. After that, the only teams that had more than their usual success running the ball against us were Indy and Buffalo. Buffalo's total was bolstered by TO's 30 yard TD run on a reverse that Dunta was just too sexy to defend. And Indy was one of the worst rushing offense in the league, but I'll ascribe our struggles against them to Peyton's hex over us.

Everybody else found the going on the ground tougher than usual when they played the Texans (and, in most cases, it was seriously tougher). Of the 10 teams that we held well under their season average, 6 were in the NFL's top 12 in terms of overall yards per carry (Tenn #1, Jax #6, Buffalo #9, Miami #10, St. Louis #11, San Francisco #12). So we were putting the clamps on all comers after week 3 unless they were QB'd by Peyton Manning.

dalemurphy
05-05-2010, 11:00 AM
Best way to compare apples to apples is ask how the teams did against us compared to how they did overall. Here's how it stacks up on a yards-per-carry basis (note that I'm using Super Mario's numbers for the game average and ESPN's final stats for the season average).

Games we allowed a team to significantly beat its own average:
at Tennessee (9.6 ypc game versus a 5.2 season average)
Jacksonville (5.78 game; 4.5 season)
at Buffalo (4.85 game; 4.4 season)
at Indy (4.0 game; 3.5 season)
Indy (4.95 game; 3.5 season)

Games where opponents basically hit their average:
NYJets (4.52 game; 4.5 season)

Games where we held team well below its average:
Oakland (2.14 game; 4.1 season)
at Arizona (2.75 game; 4.1 season)
at Cincy (2.7 game; 4.1 season)
SF (3.1 game; 4.3 season)
Tennessee (4.95 game; 5.2 season)
at Jax (2.97 game; 4.5 season)
Seattle (2.58 game; 4.0 season)
at St. Louis (2.58 game; 4.3 season)
at Miami (3.75 game; 4.4 season)
New England (3.89 game; 4.1 season)

As has been noted ad nauseum, our defense in weeks 4-17 was radically different than the sad-sacks that took the field in the first three games. Of the six games where we allowed an opponent to match or beat its yearly ypc average, three were the first three weeks. After that, the only teams that had more than their usual success running the ball against us were Indy and Buffalo. Buffalo's total was bolstered by TO's 30 yard TD run on a reverse that Dunta was just too sexy to defend. And Indy was one of the worst rushing offense in the league, but I'll ascribe our struggles against them to Peyton's hex over us.

Everybody else found the going on the ground tougher than usual when they played the Texans (and, in most cases, it was seriously tougher). Of the 10 teams that we held well under their season average, 6 were in the NFL's top 12 in terms of overall yards per carry (Tenn #1, Jax #6, Buffalo #9, Miami #10, St. Louis #11, San Francisco #12). So we were putting the clamps on all comers after week 3 unless they were QB'd by Peyton Manning.

We can argue about stats all we want. What I remember about last season is being very optimistic on defense when it was 3rd and 1. That was a new experience for me.

thunderkyss
05-05-2010, 12:50 PM
Games where we held team well below its average:
Oakland (2.14 game; 4.1 season)
at Arizona (2.75 game; 4.1 season)
at Cincy (2.7 game; 4.1 season)
SF (3.1 game; 4.3 season)
Tennessee (4.95 game; 5.2 season)
at Jax (2.97 game; 4.5 season)
Seattle (2.58 game; 4.0 season)
at St. Louis (2.58 game; 4.3 season)
at Miami (3.75 game; 4.4 season)
New England (3.89 game; 4.1 season)

Everybody else found the going on the ground tougher than usual when they played the Texans (and, in most cases, it was seriously tougher). Of the 10 teams that we held well under their season average, 6 were in the NFL's top 12 in terms of overall yards per carry (Tenn #1, Jax #6, Buffalo #9, Miami #10, St. Louis #11, San Francisco #12). So we were putting the clamps on all comers after week 3 unless they were QB'd by Peyton Manning.

This is a good way to present the numbers. Everyone of those teams ran the ball at over 4.0 yards per carry, which is better than the league average. As been said before, we held all but two significantly below their average, and New England & Tennessee were held respectfully below their average.

I'll recant my earlier argument, that our defense wasn't as good as we thought. We are who we thought we were.

When you think about it, we pretty much nullified the Jets running game on all but 3 plays.

BigBull17
05-05-2010, 01:46 PM
When you think about it, we pretty much nullified the Jets running game on all but 3 plays.

I get killed when I say it, but even CJ's game where he went apeshit his yards were on three plays.

b0ng
05-05-2010, 04:10 PM
You gotta stop those 3 plays though. Giving up like 180 yards on 3 plays is downright terrible.

awtysst
05-05-2010, 04:18 PM
True it is minimal... but it's good to see when you see it
http://images.chron.com/photos/2009/08/15/17897022/600xPopupGallery.jpg

Is that a 15 yard personal foul facemask penalty?! I would hate to think the only time big Frank ever got to a QB resulted in a 15 yard penalty against him!!!

GuerillaBlack
05-05-2010, 05:05 PM
You gotta stop those 3 plays though. Giving up like 180 yards on 3 plays is downright terrible.

We stop those, and the Texans run defense is in beast mode.

The Pencil Neck
05-05-2010, 05:57 PM
Is that a 15 yard personal foul facemask penalty?! I would hate to think the only time big Frank ever got to a QB resulted in a 15 yard penalty against him!!!

It should be at least a blow to the head call.

BigBull17
05-05-2010, 11:22 PM
Is that a 15 yard personal foul facemask penalty?! I would hate to think the only time big Frank ever got to a QB resulted in a 15 yard penalty against him!!!

The ref was so stunned Okam got there he forgot it was a penalty.