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ArlingtonTexan
04-23-2010, 08:06 PM
trade a 5th rounder to move back up

gtexan02
04-23-2010, 08:06 PM
Traded up with NE, gave up pick 150 to move up 4 spots

alphajoker
04-23-2010, 08:07 PM
Awesome! This is the back I wanted the whole time.

LonerATO
04-23-2010, 08:07 PM
I like the pick, but I hate giving up the 5th for it.

gtexan02
04-23-2010, 08:08 PM
So we trade 51 for 62 + 93 (3rd rounder)

Vikes select Toby Gerhart

Then we trade 62 + 150 for 58 and grab Tate

We had to do this in order to keep Tate out of Cleveland and Seattle (Said to be looking for him. Cleveland just took the last big back right after us)

So we end up Getting Tate + a 3rd and only give up a 5th. Nice job Smith

Scooter
04-23-2010, 08:09 PM
great pick and great move by smith/kubiak ... added a 3rd, lost a 5th, and got our RB in the second. jumped back up ahead of cleveland who probably would've gone tate instead of hardesty.

maddogmrb
04-23-2010, 08:09 PM
May be good, but Jonathan Dwyer still on board and more highly rated.

Tate seems to have durability and speed and hits the line hard.

Errant Hothy
04-23-2010, 08:09 PM
I love the pick and don't mind giving up a fifth for him. Gooselin has repeadtedly stated that the talent in this draft was only about three rounds deep.

brakos82
04-23-2010, 08:09 PM
He was my second choice after Toby, and after +3 and -5, can't complain too much.

stingray
04-23-2010, 08:09 PM
Check him out here. Love the freaking pick!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY

rmartin65
04-23-2010, 08:10 PM
A- in my opinion. We need a back, but I dislike the trade back. But you know what, I am not going to cry over spilt milk anymore. Tate is the new back, Gerhart is a Viking.

Ben Tate, good luck, and welcome to Houston!

gtexan02
04-23-2010, 08:12 PM
Smith really got pretty lucky finding a trade partner in NE.

If we hadn't traded up, Seatle and or Cleveland would have taken the backs, and left us with nothing.

I also can't believe the Vikings gave up a 3rd to move 12 spots ahead in the 2nd round.

Steal for us


Doubt we'll go DT in the 3rd though. Theres been like 20 drafted already

brakos82
04-23-2010, 08:13 PM
Doubt we'll go DT in the 3rd though. Theres been like 20 drafted already

Same here. Wouldn't be surprised to maybe look safety/OL next.

nero THE zero
04-23-2010, 08:13 PM
Rashad Jones next to carry on the SEC trend?

I like the Tate pick, even though I am a Dwyer guy, myself. I hope we grab another CB and RB later in this draft.

Mailman
04-23-2010, 08:14 PM
So we trade 51 for 62 + 93 (3rd rounder)

Vikes select Toby Gerhart

Then we trade 62 + 150 for 58 and grab Tate

We had to do this in order to keep Tate out of Cleveland and Seattle (Said to be looking for him. Cleveland just took the last big back right after us)

So we end up Getting Tate + a 3rd and only give up a 5th. Nice job Smith

Yep. Slick maneuvering by Rick Smith.

Mr teX
04-23-2010, 08:14 PM
Love the pick..

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 08:15 PM
Better than Toby I guess

He'll fall over for three yards like nobody's business.

Mr teX
04-23-2010, 08:15 PM
Same here. Wouldn't be surprised to maybe look safety/OL next.

chad jones?

Mailman
04-23-2010, 08:19 PM
chad jones?

Go get Morgan Burnett next.

GermanTexan
04-23-2010, 08:21 PM
I like that trade moves and the pick... nice job...

Austrian
04-23-2010, 08:22 PM
I like that pick. He should be a great fit for our offense.

bo orlando
04-23-2010, 08:22 PM
awesome pick! shows awesome cut & go instincts and has the size to run all the **** over the colts d-line. plus, kubiak has earned trust and then some when it comes to offensive draft picks.

rmartin65
04-23-2010, 08:23 PM
awesome pick! shows awesome cut & go instincts and has the size to run all the **** over the colts d-line. plus, kubiak has earned trust and then some when it comes to offensive draft picks.

Except that he is not a power runner. He has a big body, but he does not go out and break tackles. He does not run soft, he just does not run mean.

disaacks3
04-23-2010, 08:23 PM
Check him out here. Love the freaking pick!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY That run against Northwestern was simply awesome.

Except that he is not a power runner. He has a big body, but he does not go out and break tackles. He does not run soft, he just does not run mean. Not evidenced by his "highlight reel", where he's breaking tackles every game.

Texecutioner
04-23-2010, 08:23 PM
Would have rather have had Gerhart where we were, but I can live with Tate. It will depend on what we do with the extra 3rd rounder as well I guess. Keep stacking the defense and the O line.

Kulluminatii
04-23-2010, 08:24 PM
Great pick guys, just looked him up on youtube. Looks like he will compliment Slaton very well. Just hope that Slaton gets healthy again and back to his 08 form.

mattieuk
04-23-2010, 08:25 PM
He looks like a fighter, so welcome to the Texans Ben! Hopefully this is what our short yardage run game needed, and Stevie can concentrate on his quick darts to the outside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CbWMzJQSks

TexansBlood
04-23-2010, 08:26 PM
Love the pick!

eriadoc
04-23-2010, 08:26 PM
Tate was my 2nd choice, so I'm happy. Unfortunately, my 1st choice was right there for us and we traded back. If the extra 3rd yields a starter, I'll be very happy with it.

The wheeling and dealing gave me flashbacks of Casserly, though.

False Start
04-23-2010, 08:27 PM
I wanted Toby, but after watching some YouTube on him and reading up om him I'm happy. The extra early round pick isn't bad either.

stingray
04-23-2010, 08:28 PM
Except that he is not a power runner. He has a big body, but he does not go out and break tackles. He does not run soft, he just does not run mean.

Really?

Breaking tackles: Arguably his best skill. Though a bit upright in the open field, he squares his shoulders and runs with good pad level when in traffic, presenting little other than shoulders and thigh pads for defenders to target. Keeps his legs churning after contact and will spin through tackles to generate extra yardage. Runs with good forward lean, almost always falling forward for extra yardage.



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1113529

bo orlando
04-23-2010, 08:30 PM
Except that he is not a power runner. He has a big body, but he does not go out and break tackles. He does not run soft, he just does not run mean.


a mean power runner is not what this offensive system looks for. we need a guy who can make that cut and shoot to/through the hole, not a 3 yards and a cloud of dust guy.

rmartin65
04-23-2010, 08:30 PM
Really?



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1113529

Eh, I saw something different. He breaks some tackles, but gets stopped by a single person too easily. I just dont see the same nastiness while running that I saw/see in power backs.

Here's hoping I am wrong though.

TexansBull
04-23-2010, 08:31 PM
I read some reports that his hands are small and can be prone to fumbling. Is that true and is that a concern or an over critical analysis?

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 08:32 PM
Would have rather have had Gerhart where we were, but I can live with Tate. It will depend on what we do with the extra 3rd rounder as well I guess. Keep stacking the defense and the O line.

let's seee... in 06 we got Chas. Spencer and Eric Winston with two 3rd rd picks
in 08 we got Molden and Slaton with our two 3rd rd picks.

We've been batting .500 with double 3rd rounders.

I'll take one starter out of those two 3rd rounders

The Pencil Neck
04-23-2010, 08:32 PM
I am happy.

LikeMike
04-23-2010, 08:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tK-ttHGJRU&feature=related

Nice!

checo446
04-23-2010, 08:36 PM
Eh, I saw something different. He breaks some tackles, but gets stopped by a single person too easily. I just dont see the same nastiness while running that I saw/see in power backs.

Here's hoping I am wrong though.

Eric Berry thinks you are wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tK-ttHGJRU&NR=1

Texecutioner
04-23-2010, 08:36 PM
let's seee... in 06 we got Chas. Spencer and Eric Winston with two 3rd rd picks
in 08 we got Molden and Slaton with our two 3rd rd picks.

We've been batting .500 with double 3rd rounders.

I'll take one starter out of those two 3rd rounders

I'm not tripping off of it or anything. I'm just more high on Gerhard personally. Hopefully I'm wrong about that. Other people I've talked to like Tate more, so we'll wait and see what happens. If we can get an extra starter that ends up being a good player for us in the 3rd, then this was the better way to go. I'm okay with it regardless.

checo446
04-23-2010, 08:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tK-ttHGJRU&feature=related

Nice!

you beat me to it...

Ha

NitroGSXR
04-23-2010, 08:42 PM
Eric Berry leveled Tate in one of those videos. Caused him to lose his helmet. I'd say they're even.

New_Texans
04-23-2010, 08:42 PM
Eric Berry thinks you are wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tK-ttHGJRU&NR=1

Berry Gets him too...but wow, this is why i love football, tate gets berry berry gets him back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmYUfVkp7UI&NR=1

Texecutioner
04-23-2010, 08:44 PM
When is HOuston's next pick in the 3rd? I don't think Shipley will be there. Wouldn't mind trading up for him, but I doubt that would happen.

At this point, get the BPA at O line and anywhere on the D line or the secondary.

JB
04-23-2010, 08:44 PM
Berry Gets him too...but wow, this is why i love football, tate gets berry berry gets him back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmYUfVkp7UI&NR=1

Vice-Versa actually

New_Texans
04-23-2010, 08:45 PM
When is HOuston's next pick in the 3rd? I don't think Shipley will be there. Wouldn't mind trading up for him, but I doubt that would happen.

At this point, get the BPA at O line and anywhere on the D line or the secondary.

we have a lot of choices with these 2 thirds......i really like that safety out of Utah. but i've heard 4th round too for him.

stingray
04-23-2010, 08:45 PM
When is HOuston's next pick in the 3rd? I don't think Shipley will be there. Wouldn't mind trading up for him, but I doubt that would happen.

At this point, get the BPA at O line and anywhere on the D line or the secondary.

I think he will be there. He wasn't rated real high. He should go late third early fourth. But Texans need another corner or an OG.

stingray
04-23-2010, 08:47 PM
Damn!!! Asamoah just got picked. I wanted him.

Cjeremy635
04-23-2010, 08:49 PM
What # are our third round picks?

New_Texans
04-23-2010, 08:51 PM
What # are our third round picks?

81 and 93

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 08:51 PM
Alright, had a cigarette, got over having to go into the office on Saturday, I'm calm...

Good pick. Let Slaton be the playmaker, let Tate get the tough yards

Cjeremy635
04-23-2010, 08:51 PM
81 and 93

thanks man.

steelbtexan
04-23-2010, 08:52 PM
Damn!!! Asamoah just got picked. I wanted him.

Yep

3rd rd picks Cam Thomas/Marshall Newhouse

4th rd pick Robert Johnson

Me very happy LOL

Texecutioner
04-23-2010, 08:53 PM
I think he will be there. He wasn't rated real high. He should go late third early fourth. But Texans need another corner or an OG.

Agreed on what are needs are. I've got no problem steadily stacking the D or getting more and more bodies on the O line. If Ship is there I want him though for the future. He's Mr. Efficient. Is the 3rd round tonight?

Norg
04-23-2010, 08:53 PM
We need a guard and dt let's get the lines pat Down

The Pencil Neck
04-23-2010, 08:54 PM
Agreed on what are needs are. I've got no problem steadily stacking the D or getting more and more bodies on the O line. If Ship is there I want him though for the future. He's Mr. Efficient. Is the 3rd round tonight?

Third round is right now.

Allstar
04-23-2010, 08:54 PM
Ben Tate's Twitter:1 hr!! Who wants me to start Ustreaming now?? http://bit.ly/cYUIXo about 4 hours ago via Facebook

apparently he is streaming his draft party here:
http://www.ustream.tv/BenTate

http://twitter.com/BenTateRB

bo orlando
04-23-2010, 08:54 PM
Berry Gets him too...but wow, this is why i love football, tate gets berry berry gets him back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmYUfVkp7UI&NR=1


one incidentally cool thing about that clip is that you see why tate is perfect for this system. he makes one cut and goes all out into the hole. he was met by three tennessee guys, but he didn't dance and didn't try to just bull over the closest guy in front of him.

Texecutioner
04-23-2010, 08:55 PM
We need a guard and dt let's get the lines pat Down

Agreed!!!

Stack the trenches :kingkong:

Cjeremy635
04-23-2010, 08:55 PM
Agreed on what are needs are. I've got no problem steadily stacking the D or getting more and more bodies on the O line. If Ship is there I want him though for the future. He's Mr. Efficient. Is the 3rd round tonight?

It's on right now. GB on the clock with pick # 71.

Xcellerator
04-23-2010, 09:02 PM
Bruce Campbell is still on board. Would love Chad Jones/Reshad Jones with one our 3rd.

stingray
04-23-2010, 09:03 PM
Agreed on what are needs are. I've got no problem steadily stacking the D or getting more and more bodies on the O line. If Ship is there I want him though for the future. He's Mr. Efficient. Is the 3rd round tonight?

They are already in the third. Middle of the third.

Cjeremy635
04-23-2010, 09:08 PM
Bruce Campbell is still on board. Would love Chad Jones/Reshad Jones with one our 3rd.

Chand Jones just got picked by the Giants.

Xcellerator
04-23-2010, 09:11 PM
Chand Jones just got picked by the Giants.

Darn. Well I wonder why Everson Griffen is still on board. We could use another pass rusher.

TheRealJoker
04-23-2010, 09:12 PM
Love the pick.

infantrycak
04-23-2010, 09:50 PM
Tate was my favorite behind Mathews. Good deal. Didn't want Gerhart and really really didn't want Dwyer.

threetoedpete
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
Tate was my favorite behind Mathews. Good deal. Didn't want Gerhart and really really didn't want Dwyer.

We got Beenie Wells on the cheap.

imatexan
04-23-2010, 10:00 PM
So we traded another pick...?

Never mind, just found the draft day thread.

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 10:11 PM
love the pick. really love the way the FO manouevred to get their guy

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 10:37 PM
Will we take another runner late or will we stick with Slaton?

JB
04-23-2010, 10:38 PM
Will we take another runner late or will we stick with Slaton?

I think they go BPA from here...

steelbtexan
04-23-2010, 10:41 PM
Yeah they interviewed Miller and Blount at the Sr.Bowl. they also sent someone to Coker's pro day workout. I think it's safe to assume that Smithiak will take a RB in the 4/5 th rd.

drs23
04-23-2010, 10:50 PM
I think they go BPA from here...

At any position or our targeted needs BPA?

Ole Miss Texan
04-23-2010, 10:58 PM
I think we'll for sure take another DB (maybe a CB and FS) and we might take another RB. We have, what, 6 picks left!?!? I wouldn't mind packaging some of the later ones to move up and get another couple starters.

Woops, this is the Ben Tate thread. I love it!!!!!!! He and Mathews were the two best pure ZBS RB's in the draft.

Pocky
04-23-2010, 11:03 PM
Eh, I saw something different. He breaks some tackles, but gets stopped by a single person too easily. I just dont see the same nastiness while running that I saw/see in power backs.

Here's hoping I am wrong though.
I don't know how you think anyone would take you seriously. You just got a thoughtless accusation debunked and followed through with another one. I'm willing to bet actual money that you never watched neither Toby Gearhart, nor Ben Tate, or for that matter any other RB/draft prospects played in an actual collegiate game.

You're coming off a person that just listen to whatever the draftniks say and let them form your mind on the prospects. And in this case, you let a draftnik sweet talk you into falling in love with Gearhart, to the point where it's Gearhart or bust. Now that the Texans past on your manlove Gearhart, you're trying to pin Tate with some false flaws. Not crying over spill milk? Who're you trying to kid?

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 11:04 PM
I think they go BPA from here...

The USC homer in me really wants McKnight, Byers, or Griffin tomorrow

Though, realistically, Byers is the only possibility

JB
04-23-2010, 11:05 PM
At any position or our targeted needs BPA?

I think they go strictly by their board, but look for more trades. As deep as this draft is, I would not be surprised if they used their fifth and one sixth to get another 4th.

JCTexan
04-23-2010, 11:12 PM
I love the Tate pick.

Honoring Earl 34
04-23-2010, 11:16 PM
Tate was my favorite behind Mathews. Good deal. Didn't want Gerhart and really really didn't want Dwyer.

I think we'll for sure take another DB (maybe a CB and FS) and we might take another RB. We have, what, 6 picks left!?!? I wouldn't mind packaging some of the later ones to move up and get another couple starters.

Woops, this is the Ben Tate thread. I love it!!!!!!! He and Mathews were the two best pure ZBS RB's in the draft.

Tate and Mathews had very similar numbers at the combine with Tate being a little faster . Tate also played in the SEC , so he had to run pretty hard . Tate is faster in the 10 and 40 than Slaton , Slaton's more shifty .

I think Dwyer was never in the running . His 10 yard split was the same as Mario's which I don't think works in the ZBS .

Gerhart , I might see the Texans having interest but they had traded with the Vikings either wanting Tate or Gerhart or be assured the Vikes were taking Gerhart .

JB
04-23-2010, 11:19 PM
Tate and Mathews had very similar numbers at the combine with Tate being a little faster . Tate also played in the SEC , so he had to run pretty hard . Tate is faster in the 10 and 40 than Slaton , Slaton's more shifty .

I think Dwyer was never in the running . His 10 yard split was the same as Mario's which I don't think works in the ZBS .

Gerhart , I might see the Texans having interest but they had traded with the Vikings either wanting Tate or Gerhart or be assured the Vikes were taking Gerhart .

According to Dennison they had the two rated equally. hat is why they were comfortable in trading down

Pocky
04-23-2010, 11:20 PM
Check him out here. Love the freaking pick!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY

****ing sick. I love the opening run where Tate basically did a 360 choke slam on a defensive player. Oh and 2:40, I bet he must've felt dizzy as hell after that play. LOL.

Looking forward to seeing this guy break loose for us on Sundays.

Honoring Earl 34
04-23-2010, 11:21 PM
According to Dennison they had the two rated equally. hat is why they were comfortable in trading down

I was at a school function for #2 son . I spent the night texting #1 son for info . I'm just now reviewing the evening .

Heath Shuler
04-23-2010, 11:22 PM
from the other thread

in four years, 678 attempts: zero fumbles, zero fumbles lost

EXCELLENT
:texflag:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/stats?playerId=183482

El Tejano
04-23-2010, 11:23 PM
I wasn't to big on Matthews. Since he was a first round back and it seemed like we were ready to pick him I had Matthews as my number one but Tate quickly became my favorite back in this draft, although Gerhart was making me think again. In the end Tate was my favorite RB and was my 12th best player on the draft. By the time we picked, he was the BPA.

I'm glad we got him. I also don't think we are done with RB in this draft.

Stemp
04-23-2010, 11:46 PM
from the other thread

in four years, 678 attempts: zero fumbles, zero fumbles lost

EXCELLENT
:texflag:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/stats?playerId=183482

Put this on the other thread. ESPN doesn't track fumbles at the collegiate level. Here is video of one fumble from a game in 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq87ma0fHro)

stingray
04-24-2010, 12:00 AM
Fumbles
Season TEAM G FUMB FUMBLOST
2007-08 Auburn 13 2 1
2008-09 Auburn 12 3 2
2009-10 Auburn 13 4 3
TOTAL 47 9 6

Ben had 9 fumbles and 6 fumbles lost in his career at Auburn.



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1113529

Ryan
04-24-2010, 12:29 AM
I didn't know much about the guy, but after watching several videos, he looks like a very solid pickup. He could be a franchise back for us. :fans:

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 01:31 AM
If anyone cares Ben Tate has already reached out to (via Twitter) & talked with several Texans including Cushing, OD, Barber and Slaton actually welcomed him first, Tate already coined their name - Slate & Tate

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 01:37 AM
If anyone cares Ben Tate has already reached out to (via Twitter) & talked with several Texans including Cushing, OD, Barber and Slaton actually welcomed him first, Tate already coined their name - Slate & Tate

Slate and Tate with a little side dish of Foster sounds like a pretty good combo to me. I'm hoping we can grab an OG in the 4th and our run game will be a lot better then it was last year.

Corrosion
04-24-2010, 01:38 AM
From Dale Robertson's article (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6973846.html)-

“If you can't make ' em miss,” he said, “make ' em pay.”

TexanBacker93
04-24-2010, 01:47 AM
I like the pick. I hoped he'd be the guy they'd be looking towards. With the other trades we ended up moving back 7, getting the guy we wanted, and swapped the 150st pick for the 102nd and the 144th. Nice maneuvering.

Esoom
04-24-2010, 02:00 AM
“If you can't make ' em miss,” he said, “make ' em pay.” - Ben Tate

How early is too early to get a guy's jersey?

Also, he posted this on Twitter earlier, "@briancushing56 ppreciate it man!! just happy i dont have to go against u lol"

Made me laugh.

Allstar
04-24-2010, 03:03 AM
vid of Tate at home getting drafted:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=896515962718&ref=mf

Heath Shuler
04-24-2010, 06:46 AM
Put this on the other thread. ESPN doesn't track fumbles at the collegiate level. Here is video of one fumble from a game in 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq87ma0fHro)

Fumbles
Season TEAM G FUMB FUMBLOST
2007-08 Auburn 13 2 1
2008-09 Auburn 12 3 2
2009-10 Auburn 13 4 3
TOTAL 47 9 6

Ben had 9 fumbles and 6 fumbles lost in his career at Auburn.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1113529


Too good to be true. Damn you espn, lol

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2010, 09:22 AM
Am liking this pick too.

If Slaton is close to 2008 form we have a potentially dynamic pairing in Slate and Tate.

If Slaton is 100% I'd still start him, but if he's not. Tate it is with Slate and Foster providing the breathers.

GuerillaBlack
04-24-2010, 09:36 AM
****ing sick. I love the opening run where Tate basically did a 360 choke slam on a defensive player. Oh and 2:40, I bet he must've felt dizzy as hell after that play. LOL.

Looking forward to seeing this guy break loose for us on Sundays.

I think we have a faster version of Marion Barber on our team now...without the durability issues. I like. :) Hopefully we run some two back sets with Slaton and Tate back there.

b0ng
04-24-2010, 09:37 AM
Feel great about this one. I think he can really elevate the running game.

GuerillaBlack
04-24-2010, 09:49 AM
I have an even better feeling for Ben Tate than I did with Steve Slaton when he was drafted. I just knew Slaton would be golden that year. Even picked him up in my last rounds of fantasy football that year ;). I think Tate will be even better.

Fox
04-24-2010, 09:51 AM
I'm happy with this. When you watch him run, he has patience but when he see's the hole he hits it like a mack truck. Very north-south, no nonsense or dancing type of guy. He should be very productive and a great complement to Slaton.

thunderkyss
04-24-2010, 09:58 AM
If anyone cares Ben Tate has already reached out to (via Twitter) & talked with several Texans including Cushing, OD, Barber and Slaton actually welcomed him first, Tate already coined their name - Slate & Tate

Has Slaton ever mentioned if he'll be at TC?

Mike Kerns
04-24-2010, 01:54 PM
I've been busy as hell writing and covering the draft, but I was absolutely ecstatic with the Ben Tate pick. I wanted him on the team even before I interviewed him last week. I even wrote about it last night on Battle Red Blog. Humor me and read it?

http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/4/23/1440655/i-apologize-if-this-is-biased-but

Jackie Chiles
04-24-2010, 02:01 PM
I've been busy as hell writing and covering the draft, but I was absolutely ecstatic with the Ben Tate pick. I wanted him on the team even before I interviewed him last week. I even wrote about it last night on Battle Red Blog. Humor me and read it?

http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/4/23/1440655/i-apologize-if-this-is-biased-but

Mathews said what about Houston?! What a tool, I wanted him too, ugh.

Mike Kerns
04-24-2010, 02:02 PM
Mathews said what about Houston?! What a tool, I wanted him too, ugh.

Yeah. What a dickbag.

TheRealJoker
04-24-2010, 02:04 PM
I can think of a few Texans who are looking forward to knocking the piss out of that rookie Mathews when we play the Chargers for talking like that :)

I WAS a huge fan of Mathews, but now he is the enemy!!! Don't mess with Texas rookie!!!

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 02:17 PM
Yeah. What a dickbag.

Does Mr. Mathews know the only team actually worse than us running the ball was San Diego?

Goatcheese
04-24-2010, 03:24 PM
Does Mr. Mathews know the only team actually worse than us running the ball was San Diego?

Probably, but he can't exactly take a huge steaming dump on the team that just made him a millionaire.

Personally if I were a highly touted RB prospect I wouldn't want to go to a team with a poor run blocking O-line and a pass happy offense. That isn't even counting the Houston RB injury curse.

Wolf
04-24-2010, 03:26 PM
http://twitter.com/bentaterb


# @briancushing56 ppreciate it man!! just happy i dont have to go against u lol about 15 hours ago via web in reply to briancushing56
# RT @briancushing56: I want to welcome @bentaterb to the texans.. Hearing he is a beast!! about 15 hours ago via web
# @cbarwin thx man!! my boy told me ure a beast and can hoop too!! about 15 hours ago via web in reply to cbarwin
# @34dombarber ppreciate it man!!! about 15 hours ago via web in reply to 34dombarber
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# RT @owendaniels: Congrats and welcome aboard man, lets...go...RT @Steve20Slaton everyone give @BenTateRB a big welcome

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 03:27 PM
http://twitter.com/bentaterb

Did you see how he was asked what his number will be and he said 44? Someone reminded him it was Leach's # and he seemed disappointed.

Wolf
04-24-2010, 03:31 PM
checking it out

here is his facebook .. he has a video of when he got drafted
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=896515962718&ref=mf

theanswer000
04-24-2010, 03:31 PM
Legarrette Blount at 227?

Wolf
04-24-2010, 03:32 PM
Lol

@Steve20Slaton thx man slate & tate all day!!!

TexCanada
04-24-2010, 03:32 PM
Did you see how he was asked what his number will be and he said 44? Someone reminded him it was Leach's # and he seemed disappointed.

And Leach is probably not a good guy to pick a fight with lol

m5kwatts
04-24-2010, 03:33 PM
And Leach is probably not a good guy to pick a fight with lol

Thats what I thought lol

Why hasn't Tate picked his # yet? Kareem got his the day he was drafted. Is Tate on a flight to Houston? I remember last year they got Barwin to Houston within hours of drafting him.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-24-2010, 03:37 PM
Best back in the state of Alabama. :this:

gtexan02
04-24-2010, 03:42 PM
I think Matthews comment about Houston was referring to he thought he would get drafted earlier. He was scared he would last until 20, which would cost him millions of dollars. I doubt it had anything to do with the city

Wolf
04-24-2010, 03:43 PM
I think Matthews comment about Houston was referring to he thought he would get drafted earlier. He was scared he would last until 20, which would cost him millions of dollars. I doubt it had anything to do with the city

he will have to same thoughts come the week before(and on the day) NOV 7th

:evil:

JB
04-24-2010, 03:46 PM
Thats what I thought lol

Why hasn't Tate picked his # yet? Kareem got his the day he was drafted. Is Tate on a flight to Houston? I remember last year they got Barwin to Houston within hours of drafting him.

Tate came in last night. He is probably trying to buy the number from Leach

JCTexan
04-24-2010, 04:03 PM
I think Matthews comment about Houston was referring to he thought he would get drafted earlier. He was scared he would last until 20, which would cost him millions of dollars. I doubt it had anything to do with the city

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/23/trading-up-for-rb-ryan-mathews-right-move-for-chargers/
A Chargers fan, Mathews had heard that the Texans would draft him 20th. Then came the happy jolt from the Bolts.

"All the talk about Houston and stuff, it really started to scare me and everything," Mathews said. "I'm lucky and blessed that (the Chargers) traded up and picked me. I'm super-excited. It's mind-blowing that they did that."

It just sounds like he wanted to be a Charger. He grew up rooting for them, so it makes sense. It doesn't sound like he had anything against Houston.

TimeKiller
04-24-2010, 04:32 PM
Excellent. Size and speed = power runner, if not aggressive. Maybe he's not seeking contact but he runs with force. Don't know how I feel about the chance to have Gerhart but I think he needs a little more of the power blocking than the Texans do.

Slate and Tate. Nice.

A hopefully healthy Slaton with a hungry Foster and what seems like a good pick in Tate and I'd say the RB situation looks waaaaay better than last year. Did they just address RB with a high round pick?

JB
04-24-2010, 05:18 PM
Excellent. Size and speed = power runner, if not aggressive. Maybe he's not seeking contact but he runs with force. Don't know how I feel about the chance to have Gerhart but I think he needs a little more of the power blocking than the Texans do.

Slate and Tate. Nice.

A hopefully healthy Slaton with a hungry Foster and what seems like a good pick in Tate and I'd say the RB situation looks waaaaay better than last year. Did they just address RB with a high round pick?

Yep! Shocking News! Couldn't be done they said. Kubiak will never spend a high draft pick on a RB they said. Wtf?

TimeKiller
04-24-2010, 08:16 PM
Yep! Shocking News! Couldn't be done they said. Kubiak will never spend a high draft pick on a RB they said. Wtf?

What's next? The Texans spending a high pick on a safety? Ha!


Nope.

New_Texans
04-24-2010, 08:46 PM
What's next? The Texans spending a high pick on a safety? Ha!


Nope.

well....pollard was a 2nd rounder.

hot pickle
04-24-2010, 08:50 PM
man when i watched the video of him getting drafted i could feel the emotions coming from this guy, hes gonna be an awesome player, cant wait

GP
04-24-2010, 09:11 PM
Yep! Shocking News! Couldn't be done they said. Kubiak will never spend a high draft pick on a RB they said. Wtf?

Well, Kubiak's ass is on the line THIS season. When your back is to the wall, you tend to deviate from the standard operating procedure a bit.

This was a no-nonsense draft by Smithiak.

Cornerback in round 1, and he actually fits the bill IMO. Kicked Dunta to the curb (a year too late, but hey...what's $9.6 million for one year juuuust to make sure? LOL.) and established that we WILL put out better CBs than what we did in the past.

A running back in round 2? Hey, that's not a knock on us guys who ragged the old late-rounder or UDFA diamond-in-the-rough system that had been employed for the past four years. It's a knock on Kubiak.

A mammoth gap-shooting DT in round 3? Yep, because they all know that Amobi has to reach a new level this year or plug in someone to do the job. Let's face it, we don't give a damn about how Amobi is "just now the age of someone who is coming out of college." At this point, he's had s-e-v-e-r-a-l seasons in the NFL and annual NFL experience is not helping him. Maybe a 3rd round draft choice pushing him for playing time will.

Took some TEs (in draft AND in free agency), took a TE converted to a WR, and took a return specialist. Grabbed a backup LB who can also be a destroyer on special teams. All guys look like they could perform Day 1 for us.

And just to let off some steam, and regain some of his old self...we nabbed a CSU player! For Kubiak, that must have been like smoking a cigarette after sex.

Kubiak and Smith had a really good draft, IMO. And they gonna' need it!

TimeKiller
04-24-2010, 09:43 PM
well....pollard was a 2nd rounder.

For the Chiefs. That clearly doesn't count....


Face it. At some point a valuable resource is going to need to be spent to address the gigantic damn hole at FS. Wilson is the starter? I guess by default but not for any other reason. They didn't even TRY to draft a safety. I guess Troy Nolan is coming back...Dominque Barber :fart noise: Busing :juicy fart noise: Ferguson :old fart noise:

New_Texans
04-24-2010, 10:05 PM
For the Chiefs. That clearly doesn't count....


Face it. At some point a valuable resource is going to need to be spent to address the gigantic damn hole at FS. Wilson is the starter? I guess by default but not for any other reason. They didn't even TRY to draft a safety. I guess Troy Nolan is coming back...Dominque Barber :fart noise: Busing :juicy fart noise: Ferguson :old fart noise:

Its not a gigantic hole, Wilson--when healthy--is very serviceable. I wanted Johnson from Utah but oh well we didn't get him, we did get a CB in the first that looks good and additional defensive depth. Also, what if none of the FS available aren't any better than the current people there. Barber is going into his 3rd season, he should have his feet under him and he should be able to make more plays now. Don't get too upset about it...then again, i am an optimist.

GuerillaBlack
04-24-2010, 10:25 PM
Well, Kubiak's ass is on the line THIS season. When your back is to the wall, you tend to deviate from the standard operating procedure a bit.

This was a no-nonsense draft by Smithiak.

Cornerback in round 1, and he actually fits the bill IMO. Kicked Dunta to the curb (a year too late, but hey...what's $9.6 million for one year juuuust to make sure? LOL.) and established that we WILL put out better CBs than what we did in the past.

A running back in round 2? Hey, that's not a knock on us guys who ragged the old late-rounder or UDFA diamond-in-the-rough system that had been employed for the past four years. It's a knock on Kubiak.

A mammoth gap-shooting DT in round 3? Yep, because they all know that Amobi has to reach a new level this year or plug in someone to do the job. Let's face it, we don't give a damn about how Amobi is "just now the age of someone who is coming out of college." At this point, he's had s-e-v-e-r-a-l seasons in the NFL and annual NFL experience is not helping him. Maybe a 3rd round draft choice pushing him for playing time will.

Took some TEs (in draft AND in free agency), took a TE converted to a WR, and took a return specialist. Grabbed a backup LB who can also be a destroyer on special teams. All guys look like they could perform Day 1 for us.

And just to let off some steam, and regain some of his old self...we nabbed a CSU player! For Kubiak, that must have been like smoking a cigarette after sex.

Kubiak and Smith had a really good draft, IMO. And they gonna' need it!

Maybe this is exactly what Kubiak and Smith needed. A "back against the wall" type of year. Hopefully, after our success this season, they don't revert back to mediocrity and keep that same intensity year in and year out.

GP
04-24-2010, 10:35 PM
For the Chiefs. That clearly doesn't count....


Face it. At some point a valuable resource is going to need to be spent to address the gigantic damn hole at FS. Wilson is the starter? I guess by default but not for any other reason. They didn't even TRY to draft a safety. I guess Troy Nolan is coming back...Dominque Barber :fart noise: Busing :juicy fart noise: Ferguson :old fart noise:

I think they feel Pollard is enough of a stabilizing force that they could put off FS until next year's draft.

In fairness to Smithiak, whom I have dealt out a whole lot of criticism for in the recent past, they couldn't address every single need we have.

We chose a CB in round 1 and RB in round 2. Round 3 was the swing round, where after we took the mammoth DT. I know people say this draft was deep, but after two rounds...you've seen approximately 64 of the top players go off the board. "Value" is now relative to what's left to be had in rounds 3-7.

I see Jackson and Tate as being the two no-miss guys who have skills and will be helping out in big ways. Mitchell the DT is a guy who comes in on a rotational basis and has fresh legs on big downs when we need him most.

Past that, IMO, no matter what position we draft...it's hit or miss for the most part. Anything productive after round 3 is gravy. Gonna' be a few hits; gonna' be a few misses. That's how it rolls.

I think our CBs, our LBs, and our SS can mask the weakness of our FS. And that DL better step it up and contribute more than they have. To me, they just had a wake-up call. As in "Next year we just might start drafting YOUR replacements..."

JB
04-25-2010, 01:09 AM
vid of Tate at home getting drafted:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=896515962718&ref=mf

Just watched this video. The emotion that Ben has is moving. I was actually in tears myself with happiness at his joy for being a Texan. That young man has worked very hard and had a lot of criticism. The draft pundits were calling him a 4th round JAG.

But this kid fits what the Texans want to a tee.

Maddict5
04-25-2010, 06:20 AM
For the Chiefs. That clearly doesn't count....


Face it. At some point a valuable resource is going to need to be spent to address the gigantic damn hole at FS. Wilson is the starter? I guess by default but not for any other reason. They didn't even TRY to draft a safety. I guess Troy Nolan is coming back...Dominque Barber :fart noise: Busing :juicy fart noise: Ferguson :old fart noise:

barber played pretty well at the end of last season imo. the rest i agree on.plus i have high hopes for troy nolan

RipTraxx
04-25-2010, 01:43 PM
I know im probably way late but did anyone here rate Tate higher than Gerhart?

Goldensilence
04-25-2010, 01:56 PM
Well, Kubiak's ass is on the line THIS season. When your back is to the wall, you tend to deviate from the standard operating procedure a bit.

This was a no-nonsense draft by Smithiak.

Cornerback in round 1, and he actually fits the bill IMO. Kicked Dunta to the curb (a year too late, but hey...what's $9.6 million for one year juuuust to make sure? LOL.) and established that we WILL put out better CBs than what we did in the past.

A running back in round 2? Hey, that's not a knock on us guys who ragged the old late-rounder or UDFA diamond-in-the-rough system that had been employed for the past four years. It's a knock on Kubiak.

A mammoth gap-shooting DT in round 3? Yep, because they all know that Amobi has to reach a new level this year or plug in someone to do the job. Let's face it, we don't give a damn about how Amobi is "just now the age of someone who is coming out of college." At this point, he's had s-e-v-e-r-a-l seasons in the NFL and annual NFL experience is not helping him. Maybe a 3rd round draft choice pushing him for playing time will.

Took some TEs (in draft AND in free agency), took a TE converted to a WR, and took a return specialist. Grabbed a backup LB who can also be a destroyer on special teams. All guys look like they could perform Day 1 for us.

And just to let off some steam, and regain some of his old self...we nabbed a CSU player! For Kubiak, that must have been like smoking a cigarette after sex.

Kubiak and Smith had a really good draft, IMO. And they gonna' need it!

Mammoth tackle? I dunno about that. From the film looks like a gap shooting DT not sure I'd call him mammoth though. I reserve terms like that for the T. Cody's of the world.

Its not a gigantic hole, Wilson--when healthy--is very serviceable. I wanted Johnson from Utah but oh well we didn't get him, we did get a CB in the first that looks good and additional defensive depth. Also, what if none of the FS available aren't any better than the current people there. Barber is going into his 3rd season, he should have his feet under him and he should be able to make more plays now. Don't get too upset about it...then again, i am an optimist.

Key phrase: when healthy. He hasn't seen a full healthy season in a while and even then I don't get the calls for VERY serviceable or above average. He's serviceable at best.

Guess we're left to hoping something gets made out of Troy Nolan and Barber turns it up a notch if called on. :kitten:

I know im probably way late but did anyone here rate Tate higher than Gerhart?

I did. But, the board seems split on who is going to be the better pro.

IMO Tate fits what the Texas are looking for in a back better.

Mike Kerns
04-25-2010, 02:52 PM
I did. But, the board seems split on who is going to be the better pro.

IMO Tate fits what the Texas are looking for in a back better.

Exactly. Gerhart will get the pub because he will be playing for a surefire Super Bowl contender (maybe the favorite in 2010) and if Brett comes back. Plus, they have a stud line up there for him to run behind.

But Tate is certainly the better fit here. Don't listen to Richard Justice (who thinks VY would make a great RB here) or John McClain (who says we should have taken Gerhart because it would give us "national attention") or the casual ESPN watcher who thinks Gerhart is better because that's what they were told to think. He runs too upright (like Chris Brown) and is going to be hurt a lot in his NFL career, IMO.

Tate is going to fit here like a glove in this system.

drs23
04-25-2010, 04:26 PM
Exactly. Gerhart will get the pub because he will be playing for a surefire Super Bowl contender (maybe the favorite in 2010) and if Brett comes back. Plus, they have a stud line up there for him to run behind.

But Tate is certainly the better fit here. Don't listen to Richard Justice (who thinks VY would make a great RB here) or John McClain (who says we should have taken Gerhart because it would give us "national attention") or the casual ESPN watcher who thinks Gerhart is better because that's what they were told to think. He runs too upright (like Chris Brown) and is going to be hurt a lot in his NFL career, IMO.

Tate is going to fit here like a glove in this system.

I had Gerhart #1 in the 2nd and Ben #1 if we waited until the 3rd. Glad we didn't, he wouldn't have been there. With the present and possible future additions to the OL I think we're where GK wants this team to be. Capable of running when we need/want to. With all the other additions, I'm excited.

The Pencil Neck
04-25-2010, 04:32 PM
I know im probably way late but did anyone here rate Tate higher than Gerhart?

Yes. Several people.

WalterFootball had Tate as the 5th best running back and Gerhart as the 9th best. There were other sites that had similar rankings but there were other sites that had Tate much further back and Gerhart higher.

Personally, I wanted Tate in the 2nd round or Gerhart in the 3rd.

So. I'm happy.

dalemurphy
04-25-2010, 05:42 PM
Yes. Several people.

WalterFootball had Tate as the 5th best running back and Gerhart as the 9th best. There were other sites that had similar rankings but there were other sites that had Tate much further back and Gerhart higher.

Personally, I wanted Tate in the 2nd round or Gerhart in the 3rd.

So. I'm happy.


Gerhart and Hardesty were the two RBs I wanted absolutely nothing to do with! Like Frak said earlier, Gerhart runs way too upright. Also, it looks to me that he really struggles to run laterally. He's fine for a team that will run lots of power stuff and some traps, but for us, he was a horrible fit.

JCTexan
04-25-2010, 07:03 PM
I know im probably way late but did anyone here rate Tate higher than Gerhart?

Let's just say when Houston was on the clock with the 51st pick I was wanting Tate.

Jackie Chiles
04-25-2010, 08:15 PM
During NFL Total Access just now Michael Lombardi just picked Ben Tate as his offensive rookie of the year and predicted he would gain 1500 yards. Had to rewind and listen again to confirm that number. Clinton Portis the sequel if thats the case.

TheRealJoker
04-25-2010, 08:23 PM
With Tate/Slaton/Foster at RB I am confident that Kubiak will get his wish... a running game he can rely on.*

*Especially if we end up signing Faneca to solidify the interior OL.

Honoring Earl 34
04-25-2010, 08:25 PM
During NFL Total Access just now Michael Lombardi just picked Ben Tate as his offensive rookie of the year and predicted he would gain 1500 yards. Had to rewind and listen again to confirm that number. Clinton Portis the sequel if thats the case.

Does that mean Gerhart would have gained 2500 ... jk ...:evil:

JB
04-25-2010, 08:26 PM
During NFL Total Access just now Michael Lombardi just picked Ben Tate as his offensive rookie of the year and predicted he would gain 1500 yards. Had to rewind and listen again to confirm that number. Clinton Portis the sequel if thats the case.

Michael Lombardi said this? The Houston Texan bashing Michael Lombardi said this?

http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/shocking.gif

ObsiWan
04-25-2010, 08:30 PM
uh oh... we must have picked the wrong guy. Michael Lombardi in NFLN just predicted that Tate would be the offensive RotY.

and Jason La Flora (sp?) just said that Tate would be one of the better fantasy pickup among this year's rookies

:facepalm:

I'm beginning to think that I liked it better when everyone ignored us

GuerillaBlack
04-25-2010, 08:42 PM
Michael Lombardi said this? The Houston Texan bashing Michael Lombardi said this?

http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/shocking.gif

It must be true then. Ben Tate will be a stud.

Have to say, the attention is weird.

dalemurphy
04-25-2010, 09:15 PM
uh oh... we must have picked the wrong guy. Michael Lombardi in NFLN just predicted that Tate would be the offensive RotY.

and Jason La Flora (sp?) just said that Tate would be one of the better fantasy pickup among this year's rookies

:facepalm:

I'm beginning to think that I liked it better when everyone ignored us

Easy predictions to make, based almost entirely on the round he was drafted in and the situation he's coming into.

ChampionTexan
04-25-2010, 09:17 PM
Easy predictions to make, based almost entirely on the round he was drafted in and the situation he's coming into.

I tend to agree as it relates to the ORotY part, but when he went further and predicted 1500 yards, that's sticking your neck out a little bit.

ObsiWan
04-25-2010, 09:55 PM
I tend to agree as it relates to the ORotY part, but when he went further and predicted 1500 yards, that's sticking your neck out a little bit.

yeah, that basically says he thinks that Steve Slaton has lost his starting job
...and maybe, with the fumbling issue, he has

Mike Kerns
04-25-2010, 10:50 PM
I tend to agree as it relates to the ORotY part, but when he went further and predicted 1500 yards, that's sticking your neck out a little bit.

I don't think so. Slaton had 1,282 yards rushing his rookie season and he wasn't the starter out of camp. Whereas I believe Tate might be.

That said, I don't see it. If Steve is healthy, I see them splitting carries quite evenly.

ChampionTexan
04-25-2010, 10:57 PM
I don't think so. Slaton had 1,282 yards rushing his rookie season and he wasn't the starter out of camp. Whereas I believe Tate might be.

That said, I don't see it. If Steve is healthy, I see them splitting carries quite evenly.

1500 yards rushing would have made him the #2 rusher in the NFL last year. I consider that sort of prediction sticking your neck out.

And I agree with you, between what will hopefully be a RBBC situation (Slate and Tate), and the fact that we're still gonna be a passing team, I think it's possible for him to have a very good rookie year and still not come all that close.

If he can get us a yard or three when we need a yard or two, I'll be pretty happy with that alone.

JB
04-25-2010, 10:58 PM
I don't think so. Slaton had 1,282 yards rushing his rookie season and he wasn't the starter out of camp. Whereas I believe Tate might be.

That said, I don't see it. If Steve is healthy, I see them splitting carries quite evenly.

I think that Ben will be the primary back out of TC and Slaton will the be the attack back.

Mike Kerns
04-25-2010, 11:04 PM
1500 yards rushing would have made him the #2 rusher in the NFL last year. I consider that sort of prediction sticking your neck out.

And I agree with you, between what will hopefully be a RBBC situation (Slate and Tate), and the fact that we're still gonna be a passing team, I think it's possible for him to have a very good rookie year and still not come all that close.

If he can get us a yard or three when we need a yard or two, I'll be pretty happy with that alone.

I agree. He won't be getting as many opportunities at Slaton did in 2008.

JB
04-25-2010, 11:15 PM
I agree. He won't be getting as many opportunities at Slaton did in 2008.

I disagree, unless Foster shows really strong, I expect Ben to get most of the work early. I think they will be very cautious with Slaton. No neck surgery is minor, and I think they would prefer to use him at his best which is catching the ball out of the backfield.

Mike Kerns
04-25-2010, 11:18 PM
I disagree, unless Foster shows really strong, I expect Ben to get most of the work early. I think they will be very cautious with Slaton. No neck surgery is minor, and I think they would prefer to use him at his best which is catching the ball out of the backfield.

I could see it either way, really. If Slaton turns out to be done, yes. Tate will be 20-25 carries per game, easy.

TheRealJoker
04-25-2010, 11:22 PM
We need to use Slaton every game like we used him against the Bengals this past season.

Crimson14Tide
04-25-2010, 11:35 PM
I don't know how you think anyone would take you seriously. You just got a thoughtless accusation debunked and followed through with another one. I'm willing to bet actual money that you never watched neither Toby Gearhart, nor Ben Tate, or for that matter any other RB/draft prospects played in an actual collegiate game.

You're coming off a person that just listen to whatever the draftniks say and let them form your mind on the prospects. And in this case, you let a draftnik sweet talk you into falling in love with Gearhart, to the point where it's Gearhart or bust. Now that the Texans past on your manlove Gearhart, you're trying to pin Tate with some false flaws. Not crying over spill milk? Who're you trying to kid?

As someone who has watched Ben Tate his entire career, I'd say his analysis of Tate was spot-on.

Your opinion of Tate's ability to break tackles - 9/10 (seems to me)
His opinion of Tate's ability to break tackles - 6/10 (seems to me)
MOHO of Ben Tate's ability to break tackles - 7/10

Ben's got a big body & he'll certainly break some tackles & will have a deserved reputation as a balanced/power RB in the NFL. But pretending he's the second coming of Christian Okoye is absurd.

JB
04-25-2010, 11:40 PM
We need to use Slaton every game like we used him against the Bengals this past season.

Exactly! He was dynomite on screens & flares. I think we will see alternating series, where Tate is in on 1st & 2nd and Slaton on 3rd and sometimes Slaton on 1st & 2nd and Tate on 3rd & short. If Slaton is healthy, we have a ton of versatility.

Crimson14Tide
04-25-2010, 11:53 PM
Meant to put this in my previous post.

Tate n' Slate will be a good combo out of the backfield. Especially if Slate can get a better grip on the ball.

GP
04-26-2010, 12:10 AM
I think Steve Slaton is done.

He couldn't get it together from day 1 last year, and then the injury bug hit him. So where does he go from here?

Last draft, we didn't even draft a RB at all. By the time the dust settled on the 2009 season, Arian Foster (an undrafted free agent) was the guy capping off the year for us.

1. Slaton was fumbling, hesitant in his running style once he got the ball, and then became too injured to finish.

2. Moats was fumbling, and had been banged up a bit.

3. Chris Brown was busy nailing his own coffin shut, as well.

4. Arian Foster, an UDFA, was toting the rock.

But I don't think Gary Kubiak is willing to tempt fate AGAIN. And that's why Ben Tate was wrapped up by the Texans in round 2 of the 2010 draft. That's quite a leap, for Kubiak to not even draft a RB in 2009 and to grab one in round 2 the very next draft.

I don't think Kubiak has given up on Slaton, but I think he knows he can't fully depend on Steve Slaton in 2010. And I have to wonder what this does to Steve's confidence which was already shaky throughout all of the 2009 season.

It's going to be a dog-eat-dog world for Texans running backs this summer.

thunderkyss
04-26-2010, 12:32 AM
I think our CBs, our LBs, and our SS can mask the weakness of our FS. And that DL better step it up and contribute more than they have. To me, they just had a wake-up call. As in "Next year we just might start drafting YOUR replacements..."

Help me out here, what weaknesses do we have at FS? I need someone to spell it out for me.

The only issue I know of is Eugene's health & age. He's not over the hill, but I know he is not the future, the only reason we have to draft a FS, IMHO, is if we don't believe Barber is the future. To me, that doesn't mean we need to draft a FS now.

GP
04-26-2010, 12:45 AM
Help me out here, what weaknesses do we have at FS? I need someone to spell it out for me.

The only issue I know of is Eugene's health & age. He's not over the hill, but I know he is not the future, the only reason we have to draft a FS, IMHO, is if we don't believe Barber is the future. To me, that doesn't mean we need to draft a FS now.

Uh...prior to the 2009 draft, the Texans were not exactly drafting or acquiring "quality" secondary players. In my opinion, at least. Lots of patches, but nothing new off the factory floor.

Glover and McCain represent a better direction taken.

Jackson represents a MUCH better direction taken.

Pollard's strength is not in coverage. It's in roaming the field and looking for someone to knock the piss out of. And for run support.

We need a true FS who is a ballhawk and has great coverage skills. Do we possess that guy on our roster? Not yet.

Having said that, I think our CBs, our SS, and our LBs can pool their efforts in 2010 and compensate a bit. Just my feeling.

beerlover
04-26-2010, 12:45 AM
Ben Tate will start. He is a willing blocker, can run after the catch & is a downhill runner with surprising speed/power.

maddogmrb
04-26-2010, 10:23 AM
Could be a solid pick. I'm glad we picked up the extra draft choice to fill one of our other needs at G, C, DT, FS, or backup QB ..... oh wait, who did they draft?

Blake
04-26-2010, 10:36 AM
Could be a solid pick. I'm glad we picked up the extra draft choice to fill one of our other needs at G, C, DT, FS, or backup QB ..... oh wait, who did they draft?

I love how your analysis of some of our draft picks is "could be a solid pick." Thanks for that bit of info Mr. Insightful.

And I am not sure if you noticed but we are pretty full at guard and still drafted a guard. And we drafted a defensive tackle as well. So why are you acting like we didnt hit our needs?

And what is with you listing backup QB as a need? Do you even know who is on our roster? I dont think you do.

BigBull17
04-26-2010, 10:49 AM
I think that Ben will be the primary back out of TC and Slaton will the be the attack back.

This. Perfect for Slaton. He needs to carry the ball 8 ish times, and catch 4-6 passes. He is dangerous that way.

maddogmrb
04-26-2010, 11:55 AM
I love how your analysis of some of our draft picks is "could be a solid pick." Thanks for that bit of info Mr. Insightful.

And I am not sure if you noticed but we are pretty full at guard and still drafted a guard. And we drafted a defensive tackle as well. So why are you acting like we didnt hit our needs?

And what is with you listing backup QB as a need? Do you even know who is on our roster? I dont think you do.

Okay, let's see which of our guards or centers was pushing the DL back on short yardage last year? Which of Meyer, Pitts, Brisell, or Studdard are considered anything close to top 25 at their positions? Oh, and the great free-agent guard we signed .... I know teams were lining up for his services and we pulled off a huge coup to steal him out from under them .... right? At DT EVERYBODY but Super Mario seems to know that we need a BIG RUN STUFFING DT and not another under-sized pass rushing DT specialist. Demeco Ryans is an excellent MLB, but it would be really good to see him tackling at or behind the LOS instead of 5-7 yards downfield because his DT's can't come close to controlling the LOS.

Backup QB, ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Do YOU know that we have Dan Orlovsky (sp?) and somebody named Booty as backups??? I mean they both were so solid as backup QB's last year, weren't they? If Schaub goes down we all know that these guys will be able to step up and move the team, right .... right .... WRONG!

HOU-TEX
04-26-2010, 12:03 PM
I must say, Ben Tate has been my guy for quite some time now and I'm pumped we traded back away from Gerhart and traded back up in front of Seattle to get him. Awesome maneuvering in the 2nd by our staff, IMO. I can't wait to see this dude in our system. He's big, tough, durable and, oh yeah, he can take it to the house any given play.

infantrycak
04-26-2010, 12:06 PM
I must say, Ben Tate has been my guy for quite some time now and I'm pumped we traded back away from Gerhart and traded back up in front of Seattle to get him. Awesome maneuvering in the 2nd by our staff, IMO. I can't wait to see this dude in our system. He's big, tough, durable and, oh yeah, he can take it to the house any given play.

Well you and I will be cheering for him at least. I like Mathews and after him wanted Tate. I despised the idea of Dwyer and disliked Gerhart (not as people but as players). Now we'll see but I like this better than having Dwyer and watching Tate..

Blake
04-26-2010, 12:07 PM
Backup QB, ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Do YOU know that we have Dan Orlovsky (sp?) and somebody named Booty as backups??? I mean they both were so solid as backup QB's last year, weren't they? If Schaub goes down we all know that these guys will be able to step up and move the team, right .... right .... WRONG!

You are right. I bet we could trade a couple of 7th rounders next year for Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers. Those would be some good backups huh?

Its John David Booty from USC. They are BACKUPS for a reason. And trust me, the Texans will bring in someone to help at QB like they did with Grossman.

HOU-TEX
04-26-2010, 12:10 PM
Well you and I will be cheering for him at least. I like Mathews and after him wanted Tate. I despised the idea of Dwyer and disliked Gerhart (not as people but as players). Now we'll see but I like this better than having Dwyer and watching Tate..

Me too, and it appears the entire NFL felt the same way about Dwyer. Gerhart's good, but I think he's going to take a beating with the way he runs. Tate lead the SEC, arguably the best defensive conference in the NCAA, in rushing this past season.

Honoring Earl 34
04-26-2010, 12:16 PM
Me too, and it appears the entire NFL felt the same way about Dwyer. Gerhart's good, but I think he's going to take a beating with the way he runs. Tate lead the SEC, arguably the best defensive conference in the NCAA, in rushing this past season.

I liked Tate , in fact I dabbled in a draft scenario before the combine and had him picked in the 3rd or 4th . Why ... size speed ratio plus he was a productive SEC back .

Earl Mitchell is faster for 10 yards than Dwyer ... nuff said .

TexCanada
04-26-2010, 12:18 PM
Okay, let's see which of our guards or centers was pushing the DL back on short yardage last year? Which of Meyer, Pitts, Brisell, or Studdard are considered anything close to top 25 at their positions? Oh, and the great free-agent guard we signed .... I know teams were lining up for his services and we pulled off a huge coup to steal him out from under them .... right? At DT EVERYBODY but Super Mario seems to know that we need a BIG RUN STUFFING DT and not another under-sized pass rushing DT specialist. Demeco Ryans is an excellent MLB, but it would be really good to see him tackling at or behind the LOS instead of 5-7 yards downfield because his DT's can't come close to controlling the LOS.

Backup QB, ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Do YOU know that we have Dan Orlovsky (sp?) and somebody named Booty as backups??? I mean they both were so solid as backup QB's last year, weren't they? If Schaub goes down we all know that these guys will be able to step up and move the team, right .... right .... WRONG!

So instead of complaining why don't you give us a list of things you would have done if you were GM? You make it sound like its possible to fix all of our needs in one off-season.

Honoring Earl 34
04-26-2010, 12:21 PM
So instead of complaining why don't you give us a list of things you would have done if you were GM? You make it sound like its possible to fix all of our needs in one off-season.

Or better yet , where was the dude when we did all these mock drafts ? A guy with this kinda superior knowledge would have come in handy . Heck ... next year he can pick for the Texans .

TexCanada
04-26-2010, 12:23 PM
Or better yet , where was the dude when we did all these mock drafts ? A guy with this kinda superior knowledge would have come in handy . Heck ... next year he can pick for the Texans .

I wouldn't mind that actually, it seems like he knows the secret formula for getting 10 picks in each round. Bring on the Superbowl!

Blake
04-26-2010, 12:24 PM
So instead of complaining why don't you give us a list of things you would have done if you were GM? You make it sound like its possible to fix all of our needs in one off-season.

Or better yet , where was the dude when we did all these mock drafts ? A guy with this kinda superior knowledge would have come in handy . Heck ... next year he can pick for the Texans .

He doesnt do that kinda stuff. He is a MMQB.

BigBull17
04-26-2010, 12:34 PM
Okay, let's see which of our guards or centers was pushing the DL back on short yardage last year? Which of Meyer, Pitts, Brisell, or Studdard are considered anything close to top 25 at their positions? Oh, and the great free-agent guard we signed .... I know teams were lining up for his services and we pulled off a huge coup to steal him out from under them .... right? At DT EVERYBODY but Super Mario seems to know that we need a BIG RUN STUFFING DT and not another under-sized pass rushing DT specialist. Demeco Ryans is an excellent MLB, but it would be really good to see him tackling at or behind the LOS instead of 5-7 yards downfield because his DT's can't come close to controlling the LOS.

Backup QB, ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Do YOU know that we have Dan Orlovsky (sp?) and somebody named Booty as backups??? I mean they both were so solid as backup QB's last year, weren't they? If Schaub goes down we all know that these guys will be able to step up and move the team, right .... right .... WRONG!


Everyone but SuperMArio and the guys who call the shots on Defense. They don't put a fat **** as a need. Our run d last year was actually pretty good, though they got off to a bad start. I'm gonna let them do it their way, and not worry about the fat guy any more.

steelbtexan
04-26-2010, 12:48 PM
I must say, Ben Tate has been my guy for quite some time now and I'm pumped we traded back away from Gerhart and traded back up in front of Seattle to get him. Awesome maneuvering in the 2nd by our staff, IMO. I can't wait to see this dude in our system. He's big, tough, durable and, oh yeah, he can take it to the house any given play.

For the 1st time in franchise history the Texans have a RB that can run strong between the tackles (DDW) and take it to the house. (Slaton) Wrapped up in one RB. (Tate) Plus Tate can pass pro and catch the ball out of the backfield.

I'm feeling very good about the selection of Tate. I wish they could've gotten him some more help on the OL. Maybe S.Smith is a player.

Ole Miss Texan
04-26-2010, 12:50 PM
Yep! Shocking News! Couldn't be done they said. Kubiak will never spend a high draft pick on a RB they said. Wtf?

So true. Sounds like Mathews was their guy at #20... not from McClain's mouth but from Frank Bush's:

(on if they were set on a defensive player as the time got close) "We were set on defense. Of course you know there's two sides to the board as you look at the draft board and the offense had their guys that they really wanted and we had the guys that we wanted and as the things start to shake out, you know some things happened that we didn't forsee and then we had an opportunity to basically go back in and discuss the defensive players and this was a guy that we really wanted. He was a guy that we had really high on our draft board as far as defense is concerned and so that gave us an opportunity to go get him. We had a need in a lot of different positions as you guys understand and we were looking at running back but we also had a need at corner. We felt like this was a player that we had to go get."
This screams runningback at #20: CJ SPiller or Ryan Mathews. Probably Mathews but in either case.... RUNNINGBACK IN THE 1ST!

Also it has been rumored that Kubiak was trying to trade up to #26 in the 1st to get Deangelo Williams during 2006 but Buffalo offered a better package. Havn't found a quote from Kubiak saying this.

Denver selected Clinton Portis in the 2nd and now the Texans have selected Ben Tate in the 2nd with Kubiak being involved.

steelbtexan
04-26-2010, 12:51 PM
Or better yet , where was the dude when we did all these mock drafts ? A guy with this kinda superior knowledge would have come in handy . Heck ... next year he can pick for the Texans .

With his vast knowledge the Texans will have the greatest mock draft in their history. Probably the greatest mock draft in NFL history. LOL

Ole Miss Texan
04-26-2010, 01:20 PM
Alright guys cut him some slack. Everyone wants all our needs addressed but there's only so much you could do during the draft. Let's get back to how badass Tate is going to be as a Texan!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPUd0fHbTIw

I can see us running the 1st play with him, that was cool.

My favorite is the 3rd play (starts at 21 second mark). Not overly spectacular, but a great solid run with great cuts... these are the type of runs I hope to see from Slate & Tate next season. GREAT replay of it starts at 32 sec mark.

GuerillaBlack
04-26-2010, 01:26 PM
According to Ben Tate's Twitter (http://twitter.com/bentaterb), he'll be wearing #43.

Jackie Chiles
04-26-2010, 01:32 PM
With his vast knowledge the Texans will have the greatest mock draft in their history. Probably the greatest mock draft in NFL history. LOL

Hes the Jack Black of mock drafting, he actually did create the greatest mock draft of all time but it was during a dream and he forgot it. All this whining is his tribute.

TimeKiller
04-26-2010, 01:33 PM
Its not a gigantic hole, Wilson--when healthy--is very serviceable. I wanted Johnson from Utah but oh well we didn't get him, we did get a CB in the first that looks good and additional defensive depth. Also, what if none of the FS available aren't any better than the current people there. Barber is going into his 3rd season, he should have his feet under him and he should be able to make more plays now. Don't get too upset about it...then again, i am an optimist.
Wilson-journeyman, older guy, decent and "serviceable" at best oh and returning from injury. Sweeeeeet starter there. Depth? Barber? If he's so good why can't he unseat Wilson? Oh, because he's not that good maybe?

At least you didn't mention Busing.

plus i have high hopes for troy nolan

Really? What is it that he PLAYS this year? Come on....

Honoring Earl 34
04-26-2010, 01:42 PM
Alright guys cut him some slack. Everyone wants all our needs addressed but there's only so much you could do during the draft. Let's get back to how badass Tate is going to be as a Texan!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPUd0fHbTIw

I can see us running the 1st play with him, that was cool.

My favorite is the 3rd play (starts at 21 second mark). Not overly spectacular, but a great solid run with great cuts... these are the type of runs I hope to see from Slate & Tate next season. GREAT replay of it starts at 32 sec mark.

Oh geez Wally .... we were just giving him the business . Besides even doing a mock , you calculate need , fit , and talent . The better you are , the more you can zero in on a position . Of course the flip side is this is how good teams end up with good players who fall and they have the luxury of picking whoever .

I think Tate was the best fit at the best value . In other words Jackson and Tate over Matthews and another CB who was picked after Tate .

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2010, 01:51 PM
Or better yet , where was the dude when we did all these mock drafts ? A guy with this kinda superior knowledge would have come in handy . Heck ... next year he can pick for the Texans .

Come on, guys.

Let's not make this about calling each other names and keep this on the topic.

GuerillaBlack
04-26-2010, 01:55 PM
Come on, guys.

Let's not make this about calling each other names and keep this on the topic.

Please visit the Dorin Dickerson thread.

This guy deserves it. ;)

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2010, 01:56 PM
Wilson-journeyman, older guy, decent and "serviceable" at best oh and returning from injury. Sweeeeeet starter there. Depth? Barber? If he's so good why can't he unseat Wilson? Oh, because he's not that good maybe?

Wilson is a good starter.

Dominique Barber is younger and is learning the ropes from Wilson. Although he has looked bad over the years, Barber looked much better at the end of last season when he came in for Wilson.

And, yes, Troy Nolan could be good depth at FS. The coaching staff seem to like him a lot.

And, this coaching staff has done pretty well with 7th rounders (Anderson, Diles.)

AND, the season hasn't started, yet. There's no guarantee that this is the group we'll be starting the season with.

Ole Miss Texan
04-26-2010, 02:00 PM
Oh geez Wally .... we were just giving him the business . Besides even doing a mock , you calculate need , fit , and talent . The better you are , the more you can zero in on a position . Of course the flip side is this is how good teams end up with good players who fall and they have the luxury of picking whoever .

I think Tate was the best fit at the best value . In other words Jackson and Tate over Matthews and another CB who was picked after Tate .

Fully on board! I think, maybe a better term would be hope, we're like a young Patriots team in the way they draft. They draft for players that fit their scheme, that as a whole, will improve the team. Their players are asked to to perform their role and if they do that correctly, the team will see success. Their drafts are usually fairly ho-hum, in my opinion, but the do well. I see the Texans pretty similar - a lot of the guys they pick or the way they've been picking makes us scratch our head. But looking back the who and the why, it actually makes a lot of sense. With this draft I see us filling needs early, and then going after the best players available during the 3rd day. I love that approach. Especially when the needs and best players on your board align as in the case with Jackson and Tate!

badboy
04-26-2010, 02:12 PM
Better than Toby I guess

He'll fall over for three yards like nobody's business.What do you based this on? Gerhart ran for almost 1900 yards for a 5.5 average last season. Voice your thoughts but try to support them.

Honoring Earl 34
04-26-2010, 03:03 PM
Fully on board! I think, maybe a better term would be hope, we're like a young Patriots team in the way they draft. They draft for players that fit their scheme, that as a whole, will improve the team. Their players are asked to to perform their role and if they do that correctly, the team will see success. Their drafts are usually fairly ho-hum, in my opinion, but the do well. I see the Texans pretty similar - a lot of the guys they pick or the way they've been picking makes us scratch our head. But looking back the who and the why, it actually makes a lot of sense. With this draft I see us filling needs early, and then going after the best players available during the 3rd day. I love that approach. Especially when the needs and best players on your board align as in the case with Jackson and Tate!

Have you gone back and seen where the guys you picked were drafted ? I think it's interesting who got what and the method to their madness .

TimeKiller
04-26-2010, 03:04 PM
Wilson is a good starter.

Dominique Barber is younger and is learning the ropes from Wilson. Although he has looked bad over the years, Barber looked much better at the end of last season when he came in for Wilson.
Something about being in his 3rd year and finally rounding into an okay safety doesn't inspire much confidence from me to Barber. It's not like he's rounding into a contributing force.

Wilson is a good starter....k...so who is the good finisher? budum pshhh....

And, yes, Troy Nolan could be good depth at FS. The coaching staff seem to like him a lot.
Opinion with no base. Not enough of a reason to flat out ignore a team weakness.

And, this coaching staff has done pretty well with 7th rounders (Anderson, Diles.)
K but that has almost no relevance to whether or not Nolan can contribute other than they were picked in the same round.

AND, the season hasn't started, yet. There's no guarantee that this is the group we'll be starting the season with.
Um...it's safety. So it's pretty well garaunteed unless we do the pick-up-a-safety-a-few-games-into-the-season thing again...

Ole Miss Texan
04-26-2010, 03:30 PM
Have you gone back and seen where the guys you picked were drafted ? I think it's interesting who got what and the method to their madness .

I'll have to do that... but for some reason Oakland decided to actually draft sensibly this year. They usually took my late round guys like Michael Mitchell pretty early and really help my batting average!

DerekLee1
04-26-2010, 04:14 PM
What do you based this on? Gerhart ran for almost 1900 yards for a 5.5 average last season. Voice your thoughts but try to support them.

Gerheart played in a no-defense Pac-10 conference for a team that HAD nobody else to give the rock to. It's like sandlot ball - get it to Bennie the Jet!

Tate played in a pro-style SEC conference. And oh, early on he played behind college stud Kenny Irons and didn't get the ball much.

There's no question that they're both good; but we need a one-cut starter that can go NOW. Gerheart is a backup and ideal for what Minnesota needed. Ben Tate is the guy that WE needed to complement Slaton and/or Foster. Tate is like an offensive version of Bernard Pollard - he likes contact.

He also had the best quote of the draft, "If I can't make them miss, I'll make them pay". Ain't no "Pay Me Rick" in that kid.

Honoring Earl 34
04-26-2010, 04:32 PM
What do you based this on? Gerhart ran for almost 1900 yards for a 5.5 average last season. Voice your thoughts but try to support them.

On 610 sports they stated Gerhart had 80 more carries than Tate . Tate averaged 5.2 yds a carry ( in the SEC ) so multiply 80 x 5.2 and you get 416 . Add that to Tates numbers and what ya get .

76Texan
04-26-2010, 06:51 PM
Just to clarify things; Tate did not play in a pro-style offense.
He will have to adjust to the I-formation.

thunderkyss
04-26-2010, 08:03 PM
Something about being in his 3rd year and finally rounding into an okay safety doesn't inspire much confidence from me to Barber. It's not like he's rounding into a contributing force.
...

I think part of the problem with Barber, and every other safety we've had here, is that we've been asking/looking for a hybrid SS/FS, and picking in the bottom rounds, we just couldn't find that guy.

With Pollard, & Frank Bush, we abandoned that philosophy, and allowed Pollard to Play SS, & Eugene to play FS. Barber didn't look bad at all since then.

He didn't look like the play-maker we all want, no one is saying different. Same with Eugene, not a play-maker, but will get the job done.

JB
04-26-2010, 08:11 PM
I think part of the problem with Barber, and every other safety we've had here, is that we've been asking/looking for a hybrid SS/FS, and picking in the bottom rounds, we just couldn't find that guy.

With Pollard, & Frank Bush, we abandoned that philosophy, and allowed Pollard to Play SS, & Eugene to play FS. Barber didn't look bad at all since then.

He didn't look like the play-maker we all want, no one is saying different. Same with Eugene, not a play-maker, but will get the job done.

Eugene will force an occasional fumble and will come up with an occasional interception... just he is likely to fumble the interception...lol

Esoom
04-26-2010, 08:45 PM
I sent him a message on Twitter and he responded. I'm loving his attitude towards the fans and the game.


Me: @BenTateRB Loving the background. I'll be wearing that jersey to the Colts game on opening day, so you better put up at least 200 yds.

Ben Tate: @kbpell lol i dont care if i have 200 or 10 as long as we get that W

GuerillaBlack
04-26-2010, 08:50 PM
When is he suppose to arrive? Do most rookies just wait until OTAs to come into town (besides first round choices and those close by)?

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2010, 10:01 PM
Just to clarify things; Tate did not play in a pro-style offense.
He will have to adjust to the I-formation.

That's true... but..

Didn't Tate play in a different offense every year he was in college? I recall him saying that the reason he went to Auburn was because they were a ZBS team and he thought he fit that style well. Then his sophomore year, they switched OCs and changed offensive systems.

In his highlights, he looks like he spent some time in some option/wildcat sort of thing. (I don't keep up with all the college offenses.)

GuerillaBlack
04-26-2010, 10:22 PM
Went to Auburn for their ZBS? He'll fit right in here in Houston.

Mike Kerns
04-26-2010, 10:53 PM
Hey guys, I'll be conducting another interview with Ben Tate, for Battle Red Blog this time, in the next couple of days. If there are any questions you would recommend or like to know the answers to, submit them here or jump over to Battle Red Blog (register if you haven't. It take 20 seconds) and submit them in the original thread.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/4/26/1444655/got-a-question-for-new-running

Thanks!

MK

Señor Stan
04-27-2010, 10:41 AM
Totally non football related reason I like this pick.

My 6 year old son's name is Benjamin Tate. He was pretty stoked to find out the Texans picked a guy with his name.

HOU-TEX
04-27-2010, 10:46 AM
Totally non football related reason I like this pick.

My 6 year old son's name is Benjamin Tate. He was pretty stoked to find out the Texans picked a guy with his name.

Ha, that's pretty cool. You getting the jersey too?

threetoedpete
04-27-2010, 11:16 AM
I know im probably way late but did anyone here rate Tate higher than Gerhart?

Several of us had Tate as the second best fit for our offense, "one cut and go" after Ryan Mathews. others had the man love for Gerhart. Others want Dywer's stats. I think Tate is a perfect fit complementing Steve Slaton. One guy will get twelve carries. One guy will get six carries. Leach will get his one or two swing passes per game. One guy will be trying to climb out of the dog house with one or two touches each game. That's the way it's always been done here. and nothing is going to change. Hot hand during the weeks practice gets the start. Competition.

Save their legs for the December run.

WolverineFan
04-27-2010, 11:26 AM
Several of us had Tate as the second best fit for our offense, "one cut and go" after Ryan Mathews. others had the man love for Gerhart. Others want Dywer's stats. I think Tate is a perfect fit complementing Steve Slaton. One guy will get twelve carries. One guy will get six carries. Leach will get his one or two swing passes per game. One guy will be trying to climb out of the dog house with one or two touches each game. That's the way it's always been done here. and nothing is going to change. Hot hand during the weeks practice gets the start. Competition.

I would expect Casey's workload to increase this year as well. Line up at FB and get some passes thrown his way, maybe get some carries, and maybe line up at RB in the shotgun. I like his versatility.

El Tejano
04-27-2010, 11:53 AM
I would expect Casey's workload to increase this year as well. Line up at FB and get some passes thrown his way, maybe get some carries, and maybe line up at RB in the shotgun. I like his versatility.

I think the selection of the new TE Garret Graham had much to do with this assumption both on your part and the coaches. IIRC the coaches stated that they did select Casey because of his versatility to play RB,FB, and long snapper as well but they were going to let him learn the TE position first so that he doesn't fall behind in learning the offense that way and he doesn't lose snaps at the TE position in practice.

Now that Graham is here and Casey has a season under his belt, Casey can go and practice at FB while the team doesn't lack the TE necessary to run for practice.

BTW, do any of you old Oiler fans like me think Ben Tate reminds you of a faster Lorenzo White? Just realized who he reminded me of when I realized his college number is 44.

WolverineFan
04-27-2010, 11:58 AM
I think the selection of the new TE Garret Graham had much to do with this assumption both on your part and the coaches. IIRC the coaches stated that they did select Casey because of his versatility to play RB,FB, and long snapper as well but they were going to let him learn the TE position first so that he doesn't fall behind in learning the offense that way and he doesn't lose snaps at the TE position in practice.

Now that Graham is here and Casey has a season under his belt, Casey can go and practice at FB while the team doesn't lack the TE necessary to run for practice.

BTW, do any of you old Oiler fans like me think Ben Tate reminds you of a faster Lorenzo White? Just realized who he reminded me of when I realized his college number is 44.

Whenever we drafted him it was under the impression that he would be an H-Back type player, but he was forced into TE last year because of injuries. I think this year with more depth at the TE position we will get to see his real role in the offense.

GP
04-27-2010, 12:33 PM
Whenever we drafted him it was under the impression that he would be an H-Back type player, but he was forced into TE last year because of injuries. I think this year with more depth at the TE position we will get to see his real role in the offense.

I actually don't have a good feeling about the long-term viability of James Casey. Not after the draft we just had. With the exception of the 7th round pick of Dickerson, the other picks were 100% on-task in terms of drafting a RB who has been a full-time college RB; a cornerback who has been a full-time college CB, a defensive tackle who has been a full-time college DT, etc., etc.

Dickerson is going to be what James Casey was supposed to be: The guy you can shift around all over the line and be a hybrid form of TE/WR. Granted, it's a 7th round pick...the guy is raw...he is starting out low man on the totem pole. But we didn't make this pick in round 3 or 4 or 5. It was the last pick when nothing else is really there.

James Casey is a tweener, to me. He's not a full-fledged TE. He's not a true WR. He's awkward looking as a running back. I just don't think he's going to fit on the offense unless a lot of people get hurt. Dickerson is a guy they think can potentinally take a season or two and grow into the role of a true WR, supplanting any of the other WRs should they lose their mind (Jacoby) or get hurt (KW or DA) or leave (AJ).

James Casey just seems out of place. A very physical guy? Yes. But him and Connor Barwin represent, to me, perhaps the last Kubiak-Texans draft where we take lower round projects and try to adapt them to our system/style.

Dickerson (the 7th round choice) is the very last gasp for such a ploy to unearth a tweener and to somehow find him a home for his talents on this team. One last hurrah, so to say.

I was very surprised by the overall practicality of the draft choices. Did we get every need? No. In a draft, you might not get the guy(s) you really wanted...and thus you have to adjust and go get others that fill another need.

WolverineFan
04-27-2010, 02:27 PM
I actually don't have a good feeling about the long-term viability of James Casey. Not after the draft we just had. With the exception of the 7th round pick of Dickerson, the other picks were 100% on-task in terms of drafting a RB who has been a full-time college RB; a cornerback who has been a full-time college CB, a defensive tackle who has been a full-time college DT, etc., etc.

Dickerson is going to be what James Casey was supposed to be: The guy you can shift around all over the line and be a hybrid form of TE/WR. Granted, it's a 7th round pick...the guy is raw...he is starting out low man on the totem pole. But we didn't make this pick in round 3 or 4 or 5. It was the last pick when nothing else is really there.

James Casey is a tweener, to me. He's not a full-fledged TE. He's not a true WR. He's awkward looking as a running back. I just don't think he's going to fit on the offense unless a lot of people get hurt. Dickerson is a guy they think can potentinally take a season or two and grow into the role of a true WR, supplanting any of the other WRs should they lose their mind (Jacoby) or get hurt (KW or DA) or leave (AJ).

James Casey just seems out of place. A very physical guy? Yes. But him and Connor Barwin represent, to me, perhaps the last Kubiak-Texans draft where we take lower round projects and try to adapt them to our system/style.

Dickerson (the 7th round choice) is the very last gasp for such a ploy to unearth a tweener and to somehow find him a home for his talents on this team. One last hurrah, so to say.

I was very surprised by the overall practicality of the draft choices. Did we get every need? No. In a draft, you might not get the guy(s) you really wanted...and thus you have to adjust and go get others that fill another need.

This is a very well thought out post and I agree. I think Casey might just be a temporary fix until Dickerson is ready, which will take some time. Dickerson has a ton of athletic ability but he's very raw. Casey should be able to hold down that position for a year or two.

After that? Maybe Daniels gets traded and he becomes a backup TE or maybe he replaces Leach at FB. Maybe he makes big strides and becomes a starting TE. I don't really know. What I do know is this offense is very versatile and very dangerous. As long as Matt Schaub stays healthy the sky is the limit.

As for Barwin, I honestly think he will be a mainstay. He needs coaching and he needs time. If he can get bigger and stronger and learn the DE position then I think he might be able to replace Smith across from Mario. He needs work though, he is a project.

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2010, 02:33 PM
I actually don't have a good feeling about the long-term viability of James Casey. Not after the draft we just had. With the exception of the 7th round pick of Dickerson, the other picks were 100% on-task in terms of drafting a RB who has been a full-time college RB; a cornerback who has been a full-time college CB, a defensive tackle who has been a full-time college DT, etc., etc.

Dickerson is going to be what James Casey was supposed to be: The guy you can shift around all over the line and be a hybrid form of TE/WR. Granted, it's a 7th round pick...the guy is raw...he is starting out low man on the totem pole. But we didn't make this pick in round 3 or 4 or 5. It was the last pick when nothing else is really there.

James Casey is a tweener, to me. He's not a full-fledged TE. He's not a true WR. He's awkward looking as a running back. I just don't think he's going to fit on the offense unless a lot of people get hurt. Dickerson is a guy they think can potentinally take a season or two and grow into the role of a true WR, supplanting any of the other WRs should they lose their mind (Jacoby) or get hurt (KW or DA) or leave (AJ).

James Casey just seems out of place. A very physical guy? Yes. But him and Connor Barwin represent, to me, perhaps the last Kubiak-Texans draft where we take lower round projects and try to adapt them to our system/style.

Dickerson (the 7th round choice) is the very last gasp for such a ploy to unearth a tweener and to somehow find him a home for his talents on this team. One last hurrah, so to say.

I was very surprised by the overall practicality of the draft choices. Did we get every need? No. In a draft, you might not get the guy(s) you really wanted...and thus you have to adjust and go get others that fill another need.

To me, Casey is Dallas Clark and Dickerson is Colston. I don't see one as invalidating the other. They're both tools that will be used in different (although similar) ways. Dickerson is a big WR who can come down and block just like they do with KW. Casey is more of a second TE/FB coming out of the backfield guy.

They're both tweeners and they both could be useful slot guys but they're tweeners in different directions. Dickerson is between a WR and a TE while Casey is between a TE and a FB. Both of them are attempts to create special packages that create matchup problems; especially when you add Holliday into the mix.

At least, that's how it looks to me.

El Tejano
04-28-2010, 11:36 AM
Eugene will force an occasional fumble and will come up with an occasional interception... just he is likely to fumble the interception...lol

You are trying to get my blood pressure up just like that game did huh?

krocket
04-28-2010, 11:58 AM
Several of us had Tate as the second best fit for our offense, "one cut and go" after Ryan Mathews. others had the man love for Gerhart. Others want Dywer's stats. I think Tate is a perfect fit complementing Steve Slaton. One guy will get twelve carries. One guy will get six carries. Leach will get his one or two swing passes per game. One guy will be trying to climb out of the dog house with one or two touches each game. That's the way it's always been done here. and nothing is going to change. Hot hand during the weeks practice gets the start. Competition.

Save their legs for the December run.My compliments for using and spelling complementing correctly. It is refreshing to find someone on any board that can spell and use proper grammar. Props to you.

dalemurphy
04-28-2010, 01:59 PM
My compliments for using and spelling complementing correctly. It is refreshing to find someone on any board that can spell and use proper grammar. Props to you.

Do you go to grammar message boards and talk football?

krocket
04-30-2010, 03:34 AM
Do you go to grammar message boards and talk football?Excuse me. Are you against using proper grammar and word usage? I was just complimenting the guy, not bitching at other people. Not many folks know the difference between compliment and complement.

barrett
04-30-2010, 04:41 AM
Excuse me. Are you against using proper grammar and word usage? I was just complimenting the guy, not bitching at other people. Not many folks know the difference between compliment and complement.

Originally these two spellings were used interchangeably, but they have come to be distinguished from each other in modern times. Most of the time the word people intend is “compliment": nice things said about someone ("She paid me the compliment of admiring the way I shined my shoes.”). “Complement,” much less common, has a number of meanings associated with matching or completing. Complements supplement each other, each adding something the others lack, so we can say that “Alice’s love for entertaining and Mike’s love for washing dishes complement each other.” Remember, if you’re not making nice to someone, the word is “complement.”

A complement can also be the full number of something needed to make it complete: “my computer has a full complement of video-editing programs.” If it is preceded by “full” the word you want is almost certainly “complement.” (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:grtJX82Ruh0J:www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/complement.html+compliment+complement&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

It says here that the spellings were used interchangeably until sombody decided it was wrong. I guess they must have thought that having two words that are interchangeable was very complementary and in an effort to create a more competitive spirit they pitted the words against each other.

Seems like semanticis to me.


Oh, and when you say: Are you against using proper grammar and word usage? I was just complimenting the guy, not bitching at other people.

Are you being ironic because this suggests that you might want to rethink this whole grammer complimenting thing you've got going on. Bitching isn't a word. Well, I suppose it is a "modern" word, but then again so is differentiating between compliment and complement.

krocket
04-30-2010, 05:55 AM
It says here that the spellings were used interchangeably until sombody(sic) decided it was wrong. I guess they must have thought that having two words that are interchangeable was very complementary and in an effort to create a more competitive spirit they pitted the words against each other.

Seems like semanticis(sic) to me.


Oh, and when you say:

Are you being ironic because this suggests that you might want to rethink this whole grammer(sic) complimenting thing you've got going on. Bitching isn't a word. Well, I suppose it is a "modern" word, but then again so is differentiating between compliment and complement.

I am sure you must have had a point to this post. I seems rather vague to me. Could you site your source on the difference in the two words. BTW mine was dictionary.com.

Oh, and bitching is a word, maybe slang but a word never-the-less: –verb (used without object) 5. Slang . to complain; gripe: They bitched about the service, then about the bill. (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/%E2%80%93verb%20%20%28used%20%20without%20%20objec t%29%205.%20Slang%20.%20to%20complain;%20gripe:%20 They%20bitched%20about%20the%20service,%20then%20a bout%20the%20bill.)

Whatever your reason for this post and dalemurphy's is I can't figure it out. You are chewing me out for complimenting someone?

Haven't you got your values somewhat skewed out of place? I don't particularly care for people that go around criticizing other people's grammar and I don't do it myself. BTW we have a built-in spell checker, you ought to use it :)

GP
04-30-2010, 09:22 AM
I am sure you must have had a point to this post. I seems rather vague to me. Could you site your source on the difference in the two words. BTW mine was dictionary.com.

Oh, and bitching is a word, maybe slang but a word never-the-less: –verb (used without object) 5. Slang . to complain; gripe: They bitched about the service, then about the bill. (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/%E2%80%93verb%20%20%28used%20%20without%20%20objec t%29%205.%20Slang%20.%20to%20complain;%20gripe:%20 They%20bitched%20about%20the%20service,%20then%20a bout%20the%20bill.)

Whatever your reason for this post and dalemurphy's is I can't figure it out. You are chewing me out for complimenting someone?

Haven't you got your values somewhat skewed out of place? I don't particularly care for people that go around criticizing other people's grammar and I don't do it myself. BTW we have a built-in spell checker, you ought to use it :)

Oh look, the Grammar & Definition Police typed "site" when he should have typed "cite".....LOL, doofus. :photos:

link: It's "cite", troll boy, not "site" (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cite)

I wish you would just talk in your native tongue, which is Troll.

We really need a TexansTalk Message Board Etiquette 101 class before people are allowed to post on here.

BTW, Troll Face...here's what "etiquette" means:

et·i·quette 

–noun

1.conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion.

I got this off dictionary.com (since you love to go there so much). Perhaps you should talk football instead of trying to trash people out over misspellings or grammatical errors. This ain't English class, homey.

infantrycak
04-30-2010, 09:39 AM
OK folks let's not go overboard. He didn't insult anyone and hasn't earned being called a troll.

Ole Miss Texan
04-30-2010, 09:44 AM
So Ben Tate should be good....

HOU-TEX
04-30-2010, 09:48 AM
So Ben Tate should be good....

Yes.

I just hope there aren't any favors played up front. I don't think there will be, but I just want the best 5 up front no matter their previous role. Especially the interior!

GP
04-30-2010, 09:52 AM
OK folks let's not go overboard. He didn't insult anyone and hasn't earned being called a troll.

Ben Tate is going to be the main running back. No doubts about it.

Tate and Foster, with Slaton and Moats on the outside looking in.

buddyboy
04-30-2010, 10:05 AM
Oh look, the Grammar & Definition Police typed "site" when he should have typed "cite".....LOL, doofus. :photos:

link: It's "cite", troll boy, not "site" (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cite)

I wish you would just talk in your native tongue, which is Troll.

We really need a TexansTalk Message Board Etiquette 101 class before people are allowed to post on here.

BTW, Troll Face...here's what "etiquette" means:

et·i·quette 

–noun

1.conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion.

I got this off dictionary.com (since you love to go there so much). Perhaps you should talk football instead of trying to trash people out over misspellings or grammatical errors. This ain't English class, homey.

Geez, this guy got jumped on reaaaaaaal quick...

Beer and Metal
04-30-2010, 10:24 AM
Geez, this guy got jumped on reaaaaaaal quick...

Yes, but to ensure no one gets offended, the moderators must insure the rules are followed.

Hey! Looky there! another two words that mean the same thing and sound alike but ar spelled differently! Hope I didn't offend you!

Señor Stan
04-30-2010, 10:35 AM
Yes, but to ensure no one gets offended, the moderators must insure the rules are followed.

Hey! Looky there! another two words that mean the same thing and sound alike but ar spelled differently! Hope I didn't offend you!

It's all cause and affect....errrr....effect...errr...yeah.

BigBull17
04-30-2010, 10:51 AM
So Ben Tate should be good....

You mean Ben Tate should do well....I kid, I kid.

:facepalm::deadhorse:sarcasm:

I agree though, I like how he plays and the swager he has.

drs23
04-30-2010, 12:06 PM
Geez, this guy got jumped on reaaaaaaal quick...

Really! Remind me to not say anything nice about anyone:worldpeace:

SheTexan
04-30-2010, 12:55 PM
There are times I log on to TT and wonder WHY I bothered!! Even the most educated members of this board have made grammatical errors!! What happened to the day when we could just post for FUN, be casual, and not have to worry about proof reading every sentence we write, or making sure we make good use of spell check! Those of you who feel it is your resp to critique every post that is written need to back off a little, and remember, NO ONE IS PERFECT!! This is a FOOTBALL MB, and should be fun!! People should be able to post their opinions without worrying about the grammar police!! JMO!!

Honoring Earl 34
04-30-2010, 01:02 PM
There are times I log on to TT and wonder WHY I bothered!! Even the most educated members of this board have made grammatical errors!! What happened to the day when we could just post for FUN, be casual, and not have to worry about proof reading every sentence we write, or making sure we make good use of spell check! Those of you who feel it is your resp to critique every post that is written need to back off a little, and remember, NO ONE IS PERFECT!! This is a FOOTBALL MB, and should be fun!! People should be able to post their opinions without worrying about the grammar police!! JMO!!

dam strate :choke:

FirstTexansFan
04-30-2010, 01:06 PM
So Ben Tate should be good....

I didn't see a gooder one out there myself :)

Section516
04-30-2010, 01:08 PM
I didn't see a gooder one out there myself :)

Hes definitely going to be more better than TG..in are system at least.

infantrycak
04-30-2010, 01:18 PM
There are times I log on to TT and wonder WHY I bothered!! Even the most educated members of this board have made grammatical errors!! What happened to the day when we could just post for FUN, be casual, and not have to worry about proof reading every sentence we write, or making sure we make good use of spell check! Those of you who feel it is your resp to critique every post that is written need to back off a little, and remember, NO ONE IS PERFECT!! This is a FOOTBALL MB, and should be fun!! People should be able to post their opinions without worrying about the grammar police!! JMO!!

That would be great and all except this was grammar applause. Seems to me the anti-grammar police are the ones with their knickers bunched.

El Tejano
04-30-2010, 01:25 PM
I'm cool with errors except for getting the names of the players incorrect. ie Daniel Owens, Steve Slayton etc...

buddyboy
04-30-2010, 01:42 PM
That would be great and all except this was grammar applause. Seems to me the anti-grammar police are the ones with their knickers bunched.

Exactly. Nothing more annoying than a guy who thinks he's smarter than the rest of the world and points out their mistakes.

This guy was simply commending someone for their good grammar, I don't see how that should make him the target of abuse and being called "troll".

Blake
04-30-2010, 01:46 PM
I'm cool with errors except for getting the names of the players incorrect. ie Daniel Owens, Steve Slayton etc...

+1.

Kevin Walters gets old too.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0812/nfl.players.who.delivered.week14/images/kevin-walter.jpg

Brisco_County
04-30-2010, 03:07 PM
I am sure you must have had a point to this post. I seems rather vague to me. Could you site your source on the difference in the two words. BTW mine was dictionary.com.

Oh, and bitching is a word, maybe slang but a word never-the-less: –verb (used without object) 5. Slang . to complain; gripe: They bitched about the service, then about the bill. (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/%E2%80%93verb%20%20%28used%20%20without%20%20objec t%29%205.%20Slang%20.%20to%20complain;%20gripe:%20 They%20bitched%20about%20the%20service,%20then%20a bout%20the%20bill.)

Whatever your reason for this post and dalemurphy's is I can't figure it out. You are chewing me out for complimenting someone?

Haven't you got your values somewhat skewed out of place? I don't particularly care for people that go around criticizing other people's grammar and I don't do it myself. BTW we have a built-in spell checker, you ought to use it :)

No, let's beat a dead horse. This post was rediculous.

I think using Ben Tate to ware down defenses for three courters would create bigger lanes in the forth so we can stick in Trindon Holliday for big ganes. It would be benifishal for our aneemic rushing numbers.

Honoring Earl 34
04-30-2010, 03:14 PM
I believe this is all proper English according to the Thorn book of grammar .

HOU-TEX
04-30-2010, 03:21 PM
I believe this is all proper English according to the Thorn book of grammar .

Thorn's book of grammar varies everyday depending on what time he begins his binge's.

infantrycak
04-30-2010, 03:26 PM
Thorn's book of grammar varies everyday depending on what time he begins his binge's.

:challenge 5 yards - improper apostrophe usage.

SheTexan
04-30-2010, 03:26 PM
No, let's beat a dead horse. This post was rediculous.

I think using Ben Tate to ware down defenses for three courters would create bigger lanes in the forth so we can stick in Trindon Holliday for big ganes. It would be benifishal for our aneemic rushing numbers.


LOL!! BTW: Lub da DOG in ur abitar!!:nicedog::winky:

Señor Stan
04-30-2010, 03:31 PM
:challenge 5 yards - improper apostrophe usage.

What are ya'll talking about?

Ole Miss Texan
04-30-2010, 03:34 PM
I think using Ben Tate to ware down defenses for three courters would create bigger lanes in the forth so we can stick in Trindon Holliday for big ganes. It would be benifishal for our aneemic rushing numbers.

Is this a quote from slatonisabeast or somethin'!? :headhurts:

Hardcore Texan
04-30-2010, 03:36 PM
What are ya'll talking about?

Oh no you di-int!

Ole Miss Texan
04-30-2010, 03:37 PM
Oh no you di-int!

I wish this thread were a song... I'd put it on repeat and listen to it all day. This is cracking me up.

Honoring Earl 34
04-30-2010, 03:38 PM
http://mr.n.antithesisgames.com/Epiclulz/grammar-nazi%5B1%5D.jpg

BigBull17
04-30-2010, 03:52 PM
Is this a quote from slatonisabeast or somethin'!? :headhurts:

I don't mind his grammer, its his sentence structure. It gets really old to read a hodge podge of information i like when people know how to form sentences and paragraphs one time i got a severe migrain trying to shuffle through his work do you know what i mean glad you understand this rant back to your regularly scheduled topic

HOU-TEX
04-30-2010, 03:52 PM
:challenge 5 yards - improper apostrophe usage.

Dang! I had it right the first time then. Admittedly, I do suck at punctuation

Honoring Earl 34
04-30-2010, 04:00 PM
Dang! I had it right the first time then. Admittedly, I do suck at punctuation

Would anyone correct this guys English ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK4umRMJlrs

HOU-TEX
04-30-2010, 04:03 PM
Would anyone correct this guys English ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK4umRMJlrs

:spit: Must be johnsonfan's Dad

Honoring Earl 34
04-30-2010, 04:03 PM
:spit: Must be johnsonfan's Dad

Boo !

Brisco_County
04-30-2010, 04:11 PM
LOL!! BTW: Lub da DOG in ur abitar!!:nicedog::winky:

He's my cocker spaniel. I used to give him a red mohawk, but he's too old for that now.

More mohawk pictures here (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=53393331&blogId=206145862).

The Pencil Neck
04-30-2010, 04:22 PM
Thorn's book of grammar varies everyday depending on what time he begins his binge's.

Is it really a binge if it happens every day? Multiple times per day?

HOU-TEX
04-30-2010, 04:50 PM
Is it really a binge if it happens every day? Multiple times per day?

:thinking: You might be on to something there..