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buddyboy
04-23-2010, 09:38 PM
That's it, I'm going back to my sig line.

It's amusing how people freak out about third rounders like they know for sure that they know better than the front office. The entire draft is a crapshoot.

Loving the picks so far, filling positions of need.

JB
04-23-2010, 09:39 PM
Is Brandon Ghee still on the board?

Austrian
04-23-2010, 09:39 PM
Eric Decker to the Broncos. I like that guy.

awtysst
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
Is Brandon Ghee still on the board?

Yes

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
Maybe we are trading a 4th for Glenn Dorsey

Thorn
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
From WalterFootball.com:

Earl Mitchell, Arizona
Height: 6-1. Weight: 294.
Projected 40 Time: 4.88.
Combine 40 Time: 4.70.
Benchx225: 25. Vertical: 33.
Projected Round (2010): 5-6.
1/24/10: A 4-3 under tackle only, Earl Mitchell had 48 tackles, 12.5 TFL and 6.5 sacks in 2009. A converted H-back.

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
Ok, who is there for us...

Arthur Jones
Geno Atkins
Mike Johnson
Max Tennant
Kam Chancellor
Myron Rolle
Mitch Petrus

LonerATO
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
Mike Johnson at OG or Matt Tennant to OC would be solid choices if available.

I would love to get Jeff Byers, USC

Nawzer
04-23-2010, 09:41 PM
Mayock's voice is in full meltdown mode.

JB
04-23-2010, 09:41 PM
Yes

Might be our pick if he is there. Or AOA

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
I would love to get Jeff Byers, USC

Another versatile guy, he has his fans on this board.

Texan_Bill
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
Earl Mitchell......heading off to google land now..

You mean the "Drunk Thread"... :specnatz:

nut
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
colt mccoy might have been a decent pick for us instead of that 215 lb 2nd team all pac-10 dt. i like schaub but he hasn't been real durable.

awtysst
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
Might be our pick if he is there. Or AOA

Moving him to FS?

GP
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
OK so we make a pick, and they are still talking about Denver? :bat:

The NFL Network still hasn't mentioned the pick.

That's because we are drafting well and Josh McDaniels is being goofy, and it's earning them face-time on the networks.

McDaniels is creating an ever-evolving train wreck with each move he makes, and it's driving the media to follow it and try to understand it (and to try and figure it out, and then tell us what they think about it). People slow down and stare at a wreck as they drive by it--And McDaniels is creating a wreck for everyone to gawk at. That's my official stance on this. He's into getting people to put their eyeballs and ears onto his team. Period. It's modern-day Magic Elixir & Hair Tonic marketing.

Business as usual for the sports media.

Marcus
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
Which is why the playoffs are just a dream for Smithiak.

ahhh . . . here we go. :rolleyes:

digitalswim
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
From SI's draft coverage:

Biography: Two-year starter at defensive tackle after beginning his college career at tight end. All-Conference selection as a senior after posting 48/12.5/6.5. Junior totals included 40/5.5/1.5.

Positives: Athletic defensive tackle who showed steady progress in his game the past two seasons. Plays with good lean, focused on by opponents in the middle of the line and flashes power. Keeps his pads low to the ground, has a compact build, and is rarely off his feet. Fluid moving about the field, quickly changes direction, and strings plays laterally.

Negatives: Must do a better job protecting himself. Easily ridden from his angle of attack at times. Displays minimal moves with his hands.

Analysis: Since moving to the defensive tackle position as a junior, Mitchell has shown flashes of tremendous ability. He offers a good degree of upside potential, and he should only get better as he improves his playing strength and develops the details of his new position.

Projection: 2-3

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/players/56294.html#ixzz0lygNfGOK

Blake
04-23-2010, 09:43 PM
atlanta just took another nobody at DT. our guy got a 5.9 rating off nfl.coms scouting service which is decent. atlantas guy was 2.5 :choke:

Our guy ran a 4.73 40. Theirs ran a 5.05.

JB
04-23-2010, 09:43 PM
You mean the "Drunk Thread"... :specnatz:

I'm almost there

Blake
04-23-2010, 09:44 PM
colt mccoy might have been a decent pick for us instead of that 215 lb 2nd team all pac-10 dt. i like schaub but he hasn't been real durable.

215 lbs? He is 6'2" 296 lbs.

awtysst
04-23-2010, 09:44 PM
colt mccoy might have been a decent pick for us instead of that 215 lb 2nd team all pac-10 dt. i like schaub but he hasn't been real durable.

295. He is 295lbs!

Spled
04-23-2010, 09:45 PM
I kind of wish we had taken Shipley, but Mitchell may just need some time in the weight room.

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 09:45 PM
Robert Johnson is still there as a FS too.

I think at this point in the draft, big boards get very divergent.

Except that NO-ONE likes Everson Griffen.

mariowillshine15
04-23-2010, 09:45 PM
From SI's draft coverage:

Biography: Two-year starter at defensive tackle after beginning his college career at tight end. All-Conference selection as a senior after posting 48/12.5/6.5. Junior totals included 40/5.5/1.5.

Positives: Athletic defensive tackle who showed steady progress in his game the past two seasons. Plays with good lean, focused on by opponents in the middle of the line and flashes power. Keeps his pads low to the ground, has a compact build, and is rarely off his feet. Fluid moving about the field, quickly changes direction, and strings plays laterally.

Negatives: Must do a better job protecting himself. Easily ridden from his angle of attack at times. Displays minimal moves with his hands.

Analysis: Since moving to the defensive tackle position as a junior, Mitchell has shown flashes of tremendous ability. He offers a good degree of upside potential, and he should only get better as he improves his playing strength and develops the details of his new position.

Projection: 2-3

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/players/56294.html#ixzz0lygNfGOK

Great find. Rep added.

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 09:46 PM
I think Armanti Edwards will be a better QB than Clausen.

One of my favourite guys in the draft.

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 09:46 PM
Robert Johnson is still there as a FS too.

I think at this point in the draft, big boards get very divergent.

Except that NO-ONE likes Everson Griffen.

Only me:kitten:

I'd like Bowman better. Or Byers

Thorn
04-23-2010, 09:46 PM
Panthers just drafted another QB.

OrdinaryAvgGuy
04-23-2010, 09:46 PM
I kind of wish we had taken Shipley, but Mitchell may just need some time in the weight room.

I would be rather agitated if we now took a WR with our other 3rd round pick, when we could have taken Shipley and still gotten Mitchell. But I don't see us taking a WR... Shipley is just a unique player.

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 09:47 PM
Panthers just drafted another QB.

Edwards is an offensive weapon, can do it all!

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 09:47 PM
Our guy ran a 4.73 40. Theirs ran a 5.05.

http://inpraiseof.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/draft_lens1513858module8197113photo_tigerwoods_fis t_pump.jpg

Blake
04-23-2010, 09:47 PM
Some very good guards and tackles still on the board.

Mike Johnson
Bruce Campbell
Petrus
Newhouse
Lauavo
Fox
Washington
Calloway

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 09:47 PM
Panthers just drafted another QB.

Now that is a strange pick

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 09:48 PM
bye-bye Bowman

Another awesome year of Zach Diles upcomming

JB
04-23-2010, 09:48 PM
Now that is a strange pick

And gave up a lot to get him

TheRealJoker
04-23-2010, 09:48 PM
Lets add some competition in the interior OL or get a safety here. What do you say board?

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 09:49 PM
Robert Johnson is still there as a FS too.



i strongly feel we're gonna take this guy possibly at our next pick

Nawzer
04-23-2010, 09:49 PM
Someone please get Mayock a glass of water!

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 09:49 PM
And gave up a lot to get him

Ya it doesn't make any sense.

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 09:49 PM
Damn... somebody get Mayock some lemon tea or something
sheeeesh!

Mr teX
04-23-2010, 09:50 PM
paging mr. dominique franks.......

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 09:50 PM
Almost our turn...

Allstar
04-23-2010, 09:50 PM
Let's get Dwyer to completely revamp the run game :)

All seriousness, I have no knowledge of any of these remaining player besides Dwyer.

Spled
04-23-2010, 09:50 PM
Who do we want now?

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 09:50 PM
Armanti can play QB, WR, RB, PR....

He would be amazing in the Wildcat and still be a in the pocket QB too.

Thorn
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
Well, we're up now.

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
Luavoa off the board

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
bye-bye Bowman

Another awesome year of Zach Diles upcomming

im sensing sarcasm yet i dont know why?

zach is a good player

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
On the clock

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
We are up!

C'mon down Mike Johnson

brakos82
04-23-2010, 09:52 PM
:francis:

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 09:53 PM
We are using the whole clock here

Mailman
04-23-2010, 09:53 PM
Bruce Campbell anyone?

Spled
04-23-2010, 09:53 PM
How about some Bruce Campbell? Lol, I'm with you Mailman.

stingray
04-23-2010, 09:53 PM
The pats just got the Panthers second round pick next year for a late third. They will select Amanti Edwards.

Blake
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
trade

Errant Hothy
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
How about a repeat of the NE deal. A 2011 2nd rounder would be huge.

Yankee_In_TX
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
Trade

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
The pats just got the Panthers second round pick next year for a late third. They will select Amanti Edwards.

GONE to the Panthers

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
I think we just traded again

LikeMike
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
Trade! I guess Bruce Campbell goes here...

Blake
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
Kc.

mariowillshine15
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
trade

Thorn
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
Wtf?

Yankee_In_TX
04-23-2010, 09:54 PM
Trade

Now we wait 10 minutes for nfl.com to update, lol? Anyone listening to 610?

Spled
04-23-2010, 09:55 PM
Trade?

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 09:55 PM
Down or for a next year pick?

If we moved down to the 4th I'm happy... still plenty of guys there.

Blake
04-23-2010, 09:56 PM
Tony Moeaki TE Iowa

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 09:56 PM
nfl.com says chiefs kept their 4th rounder. possible future second?

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 09:56 PM
Those late-round TEs aren't going to draft themselves

Mailman
04-23-2010, 09:56 PM
I'm assuming we got their fourth round pick at 102?

buddyboy
04-23-2010, 09:56 PM
wtf? thought it was a trade, looks like we picked up another TE =.='

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 09:56 PM
A TE? Is that us or KCC?

Errant Hothy
04-23-2010, 09:56 PM
Trade! I guess Bruce Campbell goes here...

Nope.

Jackie Chiles
04-23-2010, 09:56 PM
Glen Dorsey wishful thinking?

Blake
04-23-2010, 09:57 PM
Down or for a next year pick?

If we moved down to the 4th I'm happy... still plenty of guys there.

I hope we took a 2nd next year.

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 09:57 PM
nfl.com says chiefs kept their 4th rounder. possible future second?

It is slow to update

GP
04-23-2010, 09:57 PM
Wtf?

(Sigh)

I hear ya'....

This is getting tiresome.

It means the guys we are targeting are rated as 4th rounders, still there, and so we're trying to get extra picks and still grab our "diamonds in the rough"

I liked picks 1 and 2, but beginning to get a bit testy with the developments since then.

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 09:58 PM
Glen Dorsey wishful thinking?

Please!

Or Derrick Johnson

nut
04-23-2010, 09:58 PM
who is the front office going to pick next or are we going to trade down for a couple of late 7th rounders. the brain trust is definitely bargain shopping.

i thought i was kidding

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 09:58 PM
did we get the Chef's two 4th rounders for our 3rd??

Thorn
04-23-2010, 09:58 PM
we draft 4th in the 4th

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 09:58 PM
I think it said we got KCs 4th and 5th

Yankee_In_TX
04-23-2010, 09:58 PM
just announced it - all I could hear was something about the 4th round.

buddyboy
04-23-2010, 09:58 PM
ESPN has the TE drafted to us. For a moment it said traded to KC, then switched right back to Houston...

Pocky
04-23-2010, 09:58 PM
4th(4th overall) and 5th(13th overall) from KC

Blake
04-23-2010, 09:59 PM
I would assume we got their 2nd rounder next year.

LikeMike
04-23-2010, 09:59 PM
I guess we got there 4th and 5th... Dorsey would be nice though, as would a 2nd next year.

Hervoyel
04-23-2010, 09:59 PM
I'm getting that sick feeling that my team is screwing up this draft. I didn't care for the 1 (Wilson is right there guys, just pull the damn trigger), don't understand the 2 (Gerhardt is right there guys....), and the three was just another classic Texans reach for the project player. Now they send their second 3 to KC in a draft that's about 3 rounds deep in real quality.

I'm pissed about this draft and not far off how pissed I was in 2005.

Thorn
04-23-2010, 09:59 PM
and 13th in the 5th

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 09:59 PM
updated now. we got #102 & 5th rounder #144

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 09:59 PM
NFLN too busy talking about Clausen...

Mailman
04-23-2010, 09:59 PM
yeah we got pick 102

brakos82
04-23-2010, 09:59 PM
Yep, 4-4 and 5-13

Yankee_In_TX
04-23-2010, 10:00 PM
just announced it - all I could hear was something about the 4th round.

We got 102 and 144.

stingray
04-23-2010, 10:02 PM
Colt Mcoy looks like Mack browns son.

Thorn
04-23-2010, 10:02 PM
I guess that's it for us tonight.

stingray
04-23-2010, 10:03 PM
NFLN too busy talking about Clausen...

More like Colt McCoy. haven't stopped talking about him. He's like Tebow JR.

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 10:03 PM
An extra 5th...

Wow

LikeMike
04-23-2010, 10:04 PM
Well, plenty of guys still on the board, so Im alright with this trade. Id prefered taking Campbell or Johnson though...

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 10:04 PM
More like Colt McCoy. haven't stopped talking about him. He's like Tebow JR.

They broke away from McCoy to talk about Clausen, and then broke away to talk about McCoy

Pocky
04-23-2010, 10:04 PM
Not a bad trade. TE run.. and we get to pick 4th overall tomorrow. Unless, that is, we were in the market for a TE. LOL.

Looks like a very smart trade back. Recover a 5th, a higher one then our previous 5th, and get a 4th in the top of the 4th.

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 10:04 PM
I'm getting that sick feeling that my team is screwing up this draft. I didn't care for the 1 (Wilson is right there guys, just pull the damn trigger), don't understand the 2 (Gerhardt is right there guys....), and the three was just another classic Texans reach for the project player. Now they send their second 3 to KC in a draft that's about 3 rounds deep in real quality.

I'm pissed about this draft and not far off how pissed I was in 2005.

oh noes

Blake
04-23-2010, 10:04 PM
Well, I guess we will have to see what happens tomorrow.

eriadoc
04-23-2010, 10:05 PM
I'm getting that sick feeling that my team is screwing up this draft. I didn't care for the 1 (Wilson is right there guys, just pull the damn trigger), don't understand the 2 (Gerhardt is right there guys....), and the three was just another classic Texans reach for the project player. Now they send their second 3 to KC in a draft that's about 3 rounds deep in real quality.

I'm pissed about this draft and not far off how pissed I was in 2005.

I agree. The draft is an inexact science, so I hope like hell I'm wrong, and hey, these guys get paid to do this, so it's likely that I am wrong. But right now, I sure as hell don't feel good about what we've done. And I don't like that Gerhart trade-down now at all. Tate was my 2nd choice, but with Gerhart right there, they essentially traded down for a few third day guys. Yay team. :(

Blake
04-23-2010, 10:06 PM
oh noes

http://thumbnails.truveo.com/0009/B3/B0/B3B00BF80978F408337069_Large.jpg

brakos82
04-23-2010, 10:06 PM
Not a bad trade. TE run.. and we get to pick 4th overall tomorrow. Unless, that is, we were in the market for a TE. LOL.

Looks like a very smart trade back. Recover a 5th, a higher one then our previous 5th, and get a 4th in the top of the 4th.

http://blogs.bet.com/entertainment/spotlight/bet-blog/assets/2009/02/xzibit.jpg

Yo dawg I hears you like fifths so we put a fifth with your fifth so you can drink a fifth with your fifth!

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 10:08 PM
Smithiak would like everyone to know that Amobi Okoye is not a bust, and because of this fact, they can stick anyone next to him to take the pressure off Mario Williams

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 10:08 PM
i think this is a stellar draft by us so far. good players that'll fill needs so far. just cos their not the bigger name players some guys are freaking out. its ok happens EVERY year

stingray
04-23-2010, 10:08 PM
Good for Brandon Ghee. Just got picked. Was the last guy in the green room.

SAMURAITEXAN
04-23-2010, 10:09 PM
By moving back 7 spots in the 2nd rd, resulting an extra pick in the early 4th and improving TJ's 5th rd deal to 13th in the 5th rd. Not bad.

Go Texans!!!

awtysst
04-23-2010, 10:09 PM
Good for Brandon Ghee. Just got picked. Was the last guy in the green room.

How do they pick who will be in the Green Room? I hope he wasnt there yesterday too or this would have been really tough to sit through.

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 10:09 PM
updated now. we got #102 & 5th rounder #144

Good move, went back a few spots because there was no value here, and got another extra pick.

I'm liking the draft.

Porky
04-23-2010, 10:10 PM
They had Tate rated above Gerhart. They only had Spiller and Mathews higher. I think Tate turns into the better pro, especially in this offense. Minnesota is better suited to Gerhart. It's like women. If you get the blond, Herv gets the red head, and I take the brunett, then we are all happy. :kitten:

I didn't care for the Mitchell pick BUT I have to say it's mainly because it was a Who? type pick. However, I'm just a guy who watches a game here or there, picks up a draft magazine and follows what the so-called experts say. In other words, compared to Smithiak I know Jack diddly squat. I'm smart enough to recognize that perhaps that Smithiak might just be smarter than some guy with an internet site that probably is just mimicking what some pimply faced teenager with a DVR said.

All in all, loved round 1 and 2, liked all of the trades made, but in a wait and see mode on Mitchell. Until he plays, nobody knows so quit acting like you're the smartest guy in the room.

Errant Hothy
04-23-2010, 10:10 PM
I'm getting that sick feeling that my team is screwing up this draft. I didn't care for the 1 (Wilson is right there guys, just pull the damn trigger), don't understand the 2 (Gerhardt is right there guys....), and the three was just another classic Texans reach for the project player. Now they send their second 3 to KC in a draft that's about 3 rounds deep in real quality.

I'm pissed about this draft and not far off how pissed I was in 2005.

I have no problems with passing on Wilson and Gerhardt, none at all.

As for the DT, as sad it may sound we still need something at the spot. Another athlete added to the D-line has to be a good thing.

My biggest concern is with the lack of anymore talent added to the O-line, but maybe in the fourth.

And this draft may only have 3 rounds worth of talent, but that does not mean that all rounds worth of talent has been drafted yet.

Comparing this draft to the 05 draft reeks of knee-jerk. The 05 draft has been acknowledged as one of the worst draft pools in recent memory.

stingray
04-23-2010, 10:11 PM
How do they pick who will be in the Green Room? I hope he wasnt there yesterday too or this would have been really tough to sit through.

Nahh. They mixed it up this year since it was a three day event. He was one of the day two green room guys.

Blake
04-23-2010, 10:11 PM
I like having one of the top 4 picks in round 4. Give some teams the night to think about players they wanna trade up for and hopefully make a draft pick or 2 in 2011.

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 10:11 PM
I agree. The draft is an inexact science, so I hope like hell I'm wrong, and hey, these guys get paid to do this, so it's likely that I am wrong. But right now, I sure as hell don't feel good about what we've done. And I don't like that Gerhart trade-down now at all. Tate was my 2nd choice, but with Gerhart right there, they essentially traded down for a few third day guys. Yay team. :(

Rather have Tate's speed in the 2nd than Gerhart supposed power. I heard, early in "draft season" he isn't very good at catching out of the backfield. That's crucial in our offense.

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 10:11 PM
Now missing out on Mike Johnson is a bit disappointing.

stingray
04-23-2010, 10:12 PM
Mike Johnson.. last pick of the third round.

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 10:12 PM
Rather have Tate's speed in the 2nd than Gerhart supposed power. I heard, early in "draft season" he isn't very good at catching out of the backfield. That's crucial in our offense.

Thank you

Biggins can't block either

Marcus
04-23-2010, 10:12 PM
I'm getting that sick feeling that my team is screwing up this draft. I didn't care for the 1 (Wilson is right there guys, just pull the damn trigger), don't understand the 2 (Gerhardt is right there guys....), and the three was just another classic Texans reach for the project player. Now they send their second 3 to KC in a draft that's about 3 rounds deep in real quality.

I'm pissed about this draft and not far off how pissed I was in 2005.

Typical.

I knew there was a reason why I don't come around here much anymore.

JB
04-23-2010, 10:13 PM
They had Tate rated above Gerhart. They only had Spiller and Mathews higher. I think Tate turns into the better pro, especially in this offense. Minnesota is better suited to Gerhart. It's like women. If you get the blond, Herv gets the red head, and I take the brunett, then we are all happy. :kitten:

I didn't care for the Mitchell pick BUT I have to say it's mainly because it was a Who? type pick. However, I'm just a guy who watches a game here or there, picks up a draft magazine and follows what the so-called experts say. In other words, compared to Smithiak I know Jack diddly squat. I'm smart enough to recognize that perhaps that Smithiak might just be smarter than some guy with an internet site that probably is just mimicking what some pimply faced teenager with a DVR said.
All in all, loved round 1 and 2, liked all of the trades made, but in a wait and see mode on Mitchell. Until he plays, nobody knows so quit acting like you're the smartest guy in the room.


What? Blasphemy!

kiwitexansfan
04-23-2010, 10:14 PM
OK, one of these guys will be there tomorrow with that first 4th rounder.

Dominique Franks
Perrish Cox
Arthur Jones
Geno Atkins
Jonathon Dwyer
AOA
Matt Tennant
Kam Chancellor
Donovan Warren
Mitch Petrus.

Everyone there is still talent there to be had.

eriadoc
04-23-2010, 10:14 PM
i think this is a stellar draft by us so far. good players that'll fill needs so far. just cos their not the bigger name players some guys are freaking out. its ok happens EVERY year

Nah, I don't care about the names. First, it feels like they don't have a good feel for the draft board. They're trading because they don't have anyone they really value that high. It feels like Charley Casserley riverboat gambling. Second, we didn't get a rangy, ball-hawking secondary guy. We got a press corner that is good in coverage but doesn't really have a knack for taking the ball away. We passed on Gerhart, ok fine, but traded down then back up? That tells me they didn't have a good feel for the draft board. They essentially traded down 7 spots to pick up a 4th rounder, after the subsequent trades pan out. Finally, we didn't go after a space eating, multiple block taking, run stuffing big guy. We took another pass rushing DT.

Now, they might know what they want (maybe, given the trades), and it's obviously different from what I think they ought to do. OK, what the hell do I know, right? So the draft is a crap shoot anyway, and I'm probably wrong.

But I don't have a good feeling about it right now, and it's not because of the "big names" or lack thereof. It's their style.

Thorn
04-23-2010, 10:14 PM
So, basically, after all that's happened, we got an extra pick in the 4th in the end.

Well, I like the first two picks, am still unsure about the 3rd one though.

Pocky
04-23-2010, 10:15 PM
I didn't care for the Mitchell pick BUT I have to say it's mainly because it was a Who? type pick. However, I'm just a guy who watches a game here or there, picks up a draft magazine and follows what the so-called experts say. In other words, compared to Smithiak I know Jack diddly squat. I'm smart enough to recognize that perhaps that Smithiak might just be smarter than some guy with an internet site that probably is just mimicking what some pimply faced teenager with a DVR said.


True. Remember though, not to long ago, we drafted a CB in the 4th that no one knew at all. A CB prospect that was ranked mid-teens for overall CB in many analyst's ranking of prospects. That unknown player from New Mexico turned out to be a pretty good player for us so far.

Blake
04-23-2010, 10:15 PM
OK, one of these guys will be there tomorrow with that first 4th rounder.

Dominique Franks
Perrish Cox
Arthur Jones
Geno Atkins
Jonathon Dwyer
AOA
Matt Tennant
Kam Chancellor
Donovan Warren
Mitch Petrus.

Everyone there is still talent there to be had.

Good stuff. Our mock drafts showed that there were still good players in the 4th and 5th rounds. Now lets go get them!

bo orlando
04-23-2010, 10:16 PM
By moving back 7 spots in the 2nd rd, resulting an extra pick in the early 4th and improving TJ's 5th rd deal to 13th in the 5th rd. Not bad.

Go Texans!!!

with the way the draft is structured this year, early 4th round is almost more valuable than late 3rd given the extra day teams have to consider who got overlooked. the fact they threw in other picks just cements it. if the texans really had nobody definite in their sights then this is a very good move.

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 10:17 PM
I don't blame them from trading out of the 3rd round. Is there anyone left worthy of 3rd round money?

And IF we get Campbell in the 4th, does that mean Winston moves inside?

eriadoc
04-23-2010, 10:17 PM
Rather have Tate's speed in the 2nd than Gerhart supposed power. I heard, early in "draft season" he isn't very good at catching out of the backfield. That's crucial in our offense.

Maybe a fair argument, but Gerhart ran a 4.5 flat, and Tate ran a 4.what? 4.48, I believe?

Again, Tate was my 2nd choice, and in a vacuum, I like Tate.

mariowillshine15
04-23-2010, 10:19 PM
Maybe a fair argument, but Gerhart ran a 4.5 flat, and Tate ran a 4.what? 4.48, I believe?

Again, Tate was my 2nd choice, and in a vacuum, I like Tate.

Kiper said Tate ran in the 4.3s

PapaL
04-23-2010, 10:19 PM
Reggie Reggie Reggie...

I'm just glad we didn't draft another damn TE.

eriadoc
04-23-2010, 10:20 PM
Kiper said Tate ran in the 4.3s

Woohoo! Good. Sincerely. But if I want a fast guy, I already have Slaton. I wanted a guy that grind the yards when the other team knows we're going to grind yards. Tate might be able to do that - you don't have to be 6"1" and 231 to do that. Again, I like Tate.

keyser
04-23-2010, 10:21 PM
Now missing out on Mike Johnson is a bit disappointing.

Yes - that was one of the players I was looking at. I hope the Texans really didn't have anyone they particularly liked at this point. Overall, I don't think this is a year we have that many holes to fill. In other words, I'd rather make sure I get the player I want at the end of the third, than get some extra player in the 5th. If they really didn't have someone they wanted, then that's OK, I guess, but I sure hope they weren't gambling that their favorite would last...

JB
04-23-2010, 10:21 PM
with the way the draft is structured this year, early 4th round is almost more valuable than late 3rd given the extra day teams have to consider who got overlooked. the fact they threw in other picks just cements it. if the texans really had nobody definite in their sights then this is a very good move.

I think that what 5th rounders brought in trades earlier just makes the 4th much more valuable

LikeMike
04-23-2010, 10:21 PM
Nah, I don't care about the names. First, it feels like they don't have a good feel for the draft board. They're trading because they don't have anyone they really value that high. It feels like Charley Casserley riverboat gambling. Second, we didn't get a rangy, ball-hawking secondary guy. We got a press corner that is good in coverage but doesn't really have a knack for taking the ball away. We passed on Gerhart, ok fine, but traded down then back up? That tells me they didn't have a good feel for the draft board. They essentially traded down 7 spots to pick up a 4th rounder, after the subsequent trades pan out. Finally, we didn't go after a space eating, multiple block taking, run stuffing big guy. We took another pass rushing DT.

Now, they might know what they want (maybe, given the trades), and it's obviously different from what I think they ought to do. OK, what the hell do I know, right? So the draft is a crap shoot anyway, and I'm probably wrong.

But I don't have a good feeling about it right now, and it's not because of the "big names" or lack thereof. It's their style.


Actually we got a pretty early 4th rounder and basically moved up 6 spots in the 5th...

And although most guys on here want a big ugly NT, it really seems like the FO doesnt. And when you look at our run defense last year, it was actually alright after the first weeks. But we just couldn`t get any pressure on the QB from the inside. So a pass rushing DT does make sense, and he seems to have a lot of upside - although he seems to still have a lot to learn.

Im fine with this draft so far. We picked up an extra pick, we drafted 3 guys on 3 need positions, and it seems like 1 of them will start day 1, the other one will split duties at HB, and the 3d will rotate in and out at DT. So that should make us a better football team.

Now let`s get a G or C next (perhaps Tennant?), and then grab Myron Rolle and Id be ecstatic.

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 10:22 PM
I didn't care for the Mitchell pick BUT I have to say it's mainly because it was a Who? type pick. However, I'm just a guy who watches a game here or there, picks up a draft magazine and follows what the so-called experts say. In other words, compared to Smithiak I know Jack diddly squat. I'm smart enough to recognize that perhaps that Smithiak might just be smarter than some guy with an internet site that probably is just mimicking what some pimply faced teenager with a DVR said.

All in all, loved round 1 and 2, liked all of the trades made, but in a wait and see mode on Mitchell. Until he plays, nobody knows so quit acting like you're the smartest guy in the room.

rep. thats how i look at the picks every yr. reposted for some guys round here

LikeMike
04-23-2010, 10:24 PM
Woohoo! Good. Sincerely. But if I want a fast guy, I already have Slaton. I wanted a guy that grind the yards when the other team knows we're going to grind yards. Tate might be able to do that - you don't have to be 6"1" and 231 to do that. Again, I like Tate.

Good thing that Tate was also the HB with the most reps at bench press...

Spled
04-23-2010, 10:25 PM
If you're questioning his power, check out Tate vs Eric Berry - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tK-ttHGJRU&feature=related

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 10:25 PM
So what time do the "festivities" begin tomorrow?

eriadoc
04-23-2010, 10:25 PM
And although most guys on here want a big ugly NT, it really seems like the FO doesnt.

And that's pretty much where the fan critique on the draft diverges. The DT pick is just a microcosm of that fan sentiment on a number of positions. Some people want a power back to complement Slaton, some don't. Some want a run stuffer at DT, some want pass rush. Some want a rangy ball-hawking guy in the secondary, others don't. Some want a strong base guy at Center, others want a nimble ZBS guy. Etc., etc., etc. It has nothing to do with name for me. I just don't buy their style of game yet. Now if they win in the playoffs, they'll win me over. Until then, I see holes that can be filled with a different philosophy than the team seems to have.

rollinstone18
04-23-2010, 10:26 PM
nobody liked the glover quinn pick last year. so take it easy on earl mitchell.

Maddict5
04-23-2010, 10:26 PM
Nah, I don't care about the names. First, it feels like they don't have a good feel for the draft board. They're trading because they don't have anyone they really value that high. It feels like Charley Casserley riverboat gambling. Second, we didn't get a rangy, ball-hawking secondary guy. We got a press corner that is good in coverage but doesn't really have a knack for taking the ball away. We passed on Gerhart, ok fine, but traded down then back up? That tells me they didn't have a good feel for the draft board. They essentially traded down 7 spots to pick up a 4th rounder, after the subsequent trades pan out. Finally, we didn't go after a space eating, multiple block taking, run stuffing big guy. We took another pass rushing DT.

Now, they might know what they want (maybe, given the trades), and it's obviously different from what I think they ought to do. OK, what the hell do I know, right? So the draft is a crap shoot anyway, and I'm probably wrong.

But I don't have a good feeling about it right now, and it's not because of the "big names" or lack thereof. It's their style.

:mcnugget:

as other have said the net gain of their trades is a 3rd rounder and still got the guy they wanted. how can that be a negative?

and they dont really do big NT's with kollar around. we got smaller last year and had a decent run defence when they settled down

The Pencil Neck
04-23-2010, 10:27 PM
I agree. The draft is an inexact science, so I hope like hell I'm wrong, and hey, these guys get paid to do this, so it's likely that I am wrong. But right now, I sure as hell don't feel good about what we've done. And I don't like that Gerhart trade-down now at all. Tate was my 2nd choice, but with Gerhart right there, they essentially traded down for a few third day guys. Yay team. :(

We all have our opinions but we all mock this stuff out and read the analysis and some of us look at tape and highlights and whatever. But. Ultimately, that's all just mental masturbation. It's fun but kinda pointless.

The "real" boards do not synch up with ours. Just because I hadn't heard about Earl Mitchell... so what? I hadn't heard about Corey Peters and the Falcons took him a couple of picks after we took Mitchell. The professionals have different boards than we do.

In our mock we had Everson Griffen going 16th and Bruce Campbell has been a 1st round pick in just about every mock I've looked at. For these guys dropping past the 3rd doesn't mean that the professionals are stupid. It means that the amateurs are amateurs.

I had Tate above Gerhart. I expected Tate to go in the 2nd round and Gerhart to go in the 3rd. I would have been fine with Gerhart but if we had picked him, I would have felt that we reached for him. (And obviously, it wouldn't have been, but I would have felt like it was.)

So, to get ticked off at our FO because their picks are different than ours, like they've got entirely different grades on the players than WalterFootball or NFL Draft Scout, isn't something to get ticked off about. It's something that you should expect.

eriadoc
04-23-2010, 10:28 PM
Good thing that Tate was also the HB with the most reps at bench press...

Too bad bench press reps mean next to nothing for RBs. I'd rather see tree trunk legs.

If you're questioning his power, check out Tate vs Eric Berry - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tK-ttHGJRU&feature=related

Again, I like Tate. I think y'all are missing that. I just don't like the trade down in conjunction with passing on Gerhart. But if they were going to pass on Gerhart, Tate is the guy I wanted. I think he'll be very good in our system.

The Pencil Neck
04-23-2010, 10:29 PM
Good stuff. Our mock drafts showed that there were still good players in the 4th and 5th rounds. Now lets go get them!

AND, there are guys that have been picked that we didn't even draft in our mocks. So that means even more guys that we think are good are available.

Nawzer
04-23-2010, 10:31 PM
So far it's been a solid but unspectacular draft. With the picks we made yesterday and today, the Texans are a more physical team then they were. Physicality and toughness are the attributes the Texans are paying more attention to this year, look for those players with those qualities to be drafted by the Texans tomorrow. I like the Kareem Jackson pick but I think Ben Tate (and a healthy Slaton) can be our best defense against Peyton Manning and some of these offenses we will face this year. Keep the likes of Peyton off the field and our chances of winning go up higher.

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 10:31 PM
Power backs aren't worth jack in the modern NFL, which is why I wanted no part of Toby

Tate has size and good speed. Not sure about his hands, but that's what Slaton's for

TheRealJoker
04-23-2010, 10:32 PM
We added a pass rusher. It's better than going DE again. At least now we attempted to fix the problem with our pass rush (no inside push). If we're content to have Mario run the arc instead of using more inside moves then we need a DT that can collapse the pocket or the QB will just step right up outside of Mario's grasp.

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 10:32 PM
And that's pretty much where the fan critique on the draft diverges. The DT pick is just a microcosm of that fan sentiment on a number of positions. Some people want a power back to complement Slaton, some don't. Some want a run stuffer at DT, some want pass rush. Some want a rangy ball-hawking guy in the secondary, others don't. Some want a strong base guy at Center, others want a nimble ZBS guy. Etc., etc., etc. It has nothing to do with name for me. I just don't buy their style of game yet. Now if they win in the playoffs, they'll win me over. Until then, I see holes that can be filled with a different philosophy than the team seems to have.

Excellent summary.
For better or worse, our defensive philosophy is more speed oriented than power oriented. So our DL picks are more likely to be smaller, quick-off-the-ball guys than immovable object road-graders. And honestly, the only guys, in this draft, who could do both went #2 and #3 overall.

Hervoyel
04-23-2010, 10:33 PM
Typical.

I knew there was a reason why I don't come around here much anymore.

An aversion to other people speaking their mind tends to do that. You might suffer from one. I get it though, I'm not thrilled with the draft so I'm "freaking out" and being a "knee jerk".

:rolleyes:

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 10:33 PM
An extra 5th does mean we can take a flyer on a guy. Could even be another runner like McKnight, Dwyer, Blount, or Stefan Johnson

JB
04-23-2010, 10:34 PM
Power backs aren't worth jack in the modern NFL, which is why I wanted no part of Toby

Tate has size and good speed. Not sure about his hands, but that's what Slaton's for

Tate has very good hands. At least as good as Slaton IMO. And he is a better pass blocker.

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 10:37 PM
Ummm the kool-aid is starting to kick in. Go TEXANS!

JB
04-23-2010, 10:40 PM
Ummm the kool-aid is starting to kick in. Go TEXANS!

hope youe have some everclear mixed in! :fans:

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 10:42 PM
hope youe have some everclear mixed in! :fans:

I haven't needed the everclear sense Kubes got here. I have to admit that I played a drinking game where I had a bud light everytime Tebow's name was mentiond tonight. I'm glad I'm still able to type

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 10:43 PM
hope youe have some everclear mixed in! :fans:

BTW, you have the best avatar on this site

Giant Tiger
04-23-2010, 10:44 PM
OK, one of these guys will be there tomorrow with that first 4th rounder.

Dominique Franks
Perrish Cox
Arthur Jones
Geno Atkins
Jonathon Dwyer
AOA
Matt Tennant
Kam Chancellor
Donovan Warren
Mitch Petrus.

Everyone there is still talent there to be had.

I'd like Petrus & AOA :yes:

HoustonFrog
04-23-2010, 10:46 PM
I just got to Dallas for a bros bday. Did the texans take a TE with a second 3rd rounder?

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 10:46 PM
I'd like Petrus & AOA :yes:

Most of the UT guys have Lance armstrong and willie nelson on the top of our boards now that McCoy's gone

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 10:46 PM
I haven't needed the everclear sense Kubes got here. I have to admit that I played a drinking game where I had a bud light everytime Tebow's name was mentiond tonight. I'm glad I'm still able to type

Lawd... you must have drank two kegs worth
lol

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 10:48 PM
I just got to Dallas for s bras bday. Did the texans take a TE with a second 3rd rounder?

We traded that pick to KC but they took a TE - no really, Tony Moeaki, Iowa [Twilight Zone theme plays in the background]

...does that count??
:D

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 10:49 PM
Lawd... you must have drank two kegs worth
lol

Tomorrow I'm drinking one everytime Mel Kiper disagrees with a pic

HouSportsWriter
04-23-2010, 10:49 PM
wow im shocked we traded 3 times... and none of my mocks are right...lol....
typical

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 10:50 PM
OK, one of these guys will be there tomorrow with that first 4th rounder.

Dominique Franks
Perrish Cox
Arthur Jones
Geno Atkins
Jonathon Dwyer
AOA
Matt Tennant
Kam Chancellor
Donovan Warren
Mitch Petrus.

Everyone there is still talent there to be had.

Add 2009 "Future 1st round picks" that time forgot, like Selvie and Greg Hardy

I remember when Geno Atkins and DeMarcus Granger were "sure fire" top 20 picks

Marcus
04-23-2010, 10:51 PM
We all have our opinions but we all mock this stuff out and read the analysis and some of us look at tape and highlights and whatever. But. Ultimately, that's all just mental masturbation. It's fun but kinda pointless.

The "real" boards do not synch up with ours. Just because I hadn't heard about Earl Mitchell... so what? I hadn't heard about Corey Peters and the Falcons took him a couple of picks after we took Mitchell. The professionals have different boards than we do.

In our mock we had Everson Griffen going 16th and Bruce Campbell has been a 1st round pick in just about every mock I've looked at. For these guys dropping past the 3rd doesn't mean that the professionals are stupid. It means that the amateurs are amateurs.

I had Tate above Gerhart. I expected Tate to go in the 2nd round and Gerhart to go in the 3rd. I would have been fine with Gerhart but if we had picked him, I would have felt that we reached for him. (And obviously, it wouldn't have been, but I would have felt like it was.)

So, to get ticked off at our FO because their picks are different than ours, like they've got entirely different grades on the players than WalterFootball or NFL Draft Scout, isn't something to get ticked off about. It's something that you should expect.

Well halleluyah. Good post. Might be hope for this place yet.

I say might.

Ole Miss Texan
04-23-2010, 10:51 PM
BTW, you have the best avatar on this site

But yours is the most interesting avatar in the world.

texasguy346
04-23-2010, 10:51 PM
I just got to Dallas for a bros bday. Did the texans take a TE with a second 3rd rounder?

No they traded the pick to KC who took a TE.

nut
04-23-2010, 10:53 PM
From NFL Fanhouse about gerhard's hands:

Gerhart, who played outfielder on Stanford's 2008 College World Series team, had to convince NFL teams he would not pursue a career in Major League Baseball.

Even his race was questioned -- Gerhart is a rare breed, a white running back -- and he conceded he had been questioned by numerous NFL teams about how he felt about that.

"Teams have asked me about everything like that," Gerhart said in an interview with FanHouse. "They've said, 'We know you're a big, strong guy, but we have a question about your hands.' I'd tell them I think I have good hands. I just wasn't asked to catch the ball a whole lot in our system this past year. They would ask about my outside running.


This guy might end up stinking but I saw him take over games. he was an oufielder so he could probably learn to catch a pigskin.

From NFL.com:

Round 2, Pick 26 (58) (From Cardinals through Patriots) Ben Tate RB 5'11" 220 Auburn 6.9 --
Pick Analysis: The Texans add a hard-nosed runner with exceptional skills. Tate is ideally suited to play in Gary Kubiak's zone-based running game. As a "one-cut" back with good speed and power, he excels at running between the tackles and is an aggressive finisher. With Steve Slaton unable to carry the load, Tate could be a vital contributor in the Texans' running game this season.

He's faster than Toby. Hopefully, he works out better.

The last guy (the 215 pounder) i know, know, typo (also from nfl.com:

Round 3, Pick 17 (81) Earl Mitchell DT 6'3" 215 Arizona 5.9 --
Pick Analysis: The Texans pick up an unheralded interior defender in Earl Mitchell. The Arizona standout is a high-motor player with a quick first step. Though he lacks ideal size for the position, his athleticism and toughness give him a chance to make an impact as a rotational player for the Texans.

another amobi long-term project?

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 10:53 PM
But yours is the most interesting avatar in the world.

My mother has a tatoo that says "son"

HoustonFrog
04-23-2010, 10:53 PM
We traded that pick to KC but they took a TE - no really, Tony Moeaki, Iowa [Twilight Zone theme plays in the background]

...does that count??
:D
Thanks. I'm getting all info on my phone from ESPN draft tracker and they still have texans

Texans34Life
04-23-2010, 10:54 PM
The thing about Tate, from everything I've read, he has some issues with fumbling. You can really get in Kubiak's doghouse not holding onto the ball, so I'm a little surprised with the pick.

From the Texans Draft Day thread on Clutch BBS, here's rezdawg's post:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=185561&page=38&pp=20

If Slaton can come back healthy, we'll have a nice combo of runningbacks.

You guys ready for my statistic of the day??

Ben Tate had 678 carries in his 4 years at Auburn.

He fumbled the ball ZERO times.

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 10:55 PM
Tomorrow I'm drinking one everytime Mel Kiper disagrees with a pic

you'll end up sober.

they'll most likely spend the day STILL rambling about Tim, Jimmy, and Colt and where they were drafted.

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 10:55 PM
I trust the FO, Had I been the GM, I would have given up out 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 6th to trade with detroit for ndomikon sue (?) yesterday

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 10:57 PM
I trust the FO, Had I been the GM, I would have given up out 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 6th to trade with detroit for ndomikon sue (?) yesterday

who let Mike Ditka in here?
LOL

JB
04-23-2010, 10:57 PM
BTW, you have the best avatar on this site

Thank Ya, Thank Ya Very Much!...


available to all from TTMB

The1ApplePie
04-23-2010, 10:58 PM
you'll end up sober.

they'll most likely spend the day STILL rambling about Tim, Jimmy, and Colt and where they were drafted.

90% will be Jimmy

Got to get those Golden Domer ratings

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 10:58 PM
From the Texans Draft Day thread on Clutch BBS, here's rezdawg's post:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=185561&page=38&pp=20

WOW! zero fumbles alone had our FO drooling. I wasn't happy at first, well right after the Vikngs took my guy, but I'm coming around, even as a Bama fan.

Cjeremy635
04-23-2010, 10:59 PM
wow im shocked we traded 3 times... and none of my mocks are right...lol....
typical

I'm shocked you used spell check......:handshake:


J/K bro....it's Friday night and I'm just trying to break up the seriousness of the thread.

Thorn
04-23-2010, 11:01 PM
Now that I think about it, the Texans did exactly what I wanted them to do today. They took a DB in the 1st, RB in the 2nd, and a D-lineman in the 3rd.

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 11:02 PM
I'm shocked you used spell check......:handshake:


J/K bro....it's Friday night and I'm just trying to break up the seriousness of the thread.

Cut throat. I love it!

Marcus
04-23-2010, 11:04 PM
An aversion to other people speaking their mind tends to do that. You might suffer from one. I get it though, I'm not thrilled with the draft so I'm "freaking out" and being a "knee jerk".

:rolleyes:

No Herv, you DON'T get it. You're "freaking out" and being a "knee-jerk" because they didn't do what YOU wanted them to do, because for some reason you happen to think you know more than they do.

It's not the opinion. It's the attitude. And your attitude is ******ed up.

nut
04-23-2010, 11:06 PM
from cbssports.com

04/13/2010 - TOP RATED NFL DRAFT SCOUT RUNNING BACKS: Ben Tate, Auburn, 5-11, 220, 2-3: Tate is a physical runner who many thought flashed surprising bursts of speed during his college career. The real surprise was that he does have excellent speed, as he showed at the combine when he shocked scouts with a 40 time of 4.34 seconds despite his 220-pound frame. He has been compared to Marion Barber III of the Dallas Cowboys in terms of being a tough, inside runner. Some scouts think Tate might have the combination of toughness and speed that will make him productive in the NFL, which shouldn't be that surprising when his college career is put into perspective. Although many think Tate was inconsistent at Auburn, his career total of 3,321 yards rushing was fifth in school history, behind the likes of Bo Jackson, Carnell Williams, James Brooks and Joe Cribbs. - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com/CBS Sports/USA TODAY

ObsiWan
04-23-2010, 11:07 PM
Gonna be an interesting training camp battle at RB this year.
Slaton, Tate, Johnson, Foster, Moats, Chris Henry...
yep, looking fwd to T/C

Heath Shuler
04-23-2010, 11:12 PM
zero fumbles in four years EXCELLENT
:logo:

Honoring Earl 34
04-23-2010, 11:17 PM
zero fumbles in four years EXCELLENT
:logo:

Don't give him Chris Brown's locker .

Ole Miss Texan
04-23-2010, 11:18 PM
So I just did a quick analysis/recap of our draft day trades and the ending result. Here's what it boils down to.

Texans move down 7 spots in the 2nd round to select RB Ben Tate and received the 4th pick in the 4th round (#102) and moved up 6 spots in the 5th round.

Now for you Trade Value Chart junkies out there (like myself) let's look at the math. #51 = 390 pts, #58 = 320 pts... a difference/loss of 70 pts we 'should' make up with the other picks. #102 = 100 pts... that puts us at a 30 point advantage. Plus moving up from #150 (31.4 pts) to #144 (34 pts) gives us an extra 2.6 pts for a grand total point advantage of 32.6 pts which is equivalent to the 19th pick in the 5th round.

That's what I call a success! Now we just gotta fill them with some really good players.

nut
04-23-2010, 11:21 PM
how could a guy have zero fumbles in 4 years? if he did, he wouldn't be trying hard enough

JB
04-23-2010, 11:23 PM
So I just did a quick analysis/recap of our draft day trades and the ending result. Here's what it boils down to.

Texans move down 7 spots in the 2nd round to select RB Ben Tate and received the 4th pick in the 4th round (#102) and moved up 6 spots in the 5th round.

Now for you Trade Value Chart junkies out there (like myself) let's look at the math. #51 = 390 pts, #58 = 320 pts... a difference/loss of 70 pts we 'should' make up with the other picks. #102 = 100 pts... that puts us at a 30 point advantage. Plus moving up from #150 (31.4 pts) to #144 (34 pts) gives us an extra 2.6 pts for a grand total point advantage of 32.6 pts which is equivalent to the 19th pick in the 5th round.

That's what I call a success! Now we just gotta fill them with some really good players.

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx307/TexanJB/duck-1.jpg?t=1272079354

eriadoc
04-23-2010, 11:24 PM
Don't give him Chris Brown's locker .

Don't give him Mr. Fumbles' locker, either (Slaton).

Stemp
04-23-2010, 11:29 PM
how could a guy have zero fumbles in 4 years? if he did, he wouldn't be trying hard enough

If they are tracking stats on ESPN, ALL running backs have zero fumbles because they don't track that stat even though they list it.

Stemp
04-23-2010, 11:30 PM
Auburn had a 35-21 lead with 7:32 to play in regulation and appeared to be cruising to a win. But the Tigers turned the ball over twice in a span of two minutes. Ben Tate lost a fumble at the Northwestern 31, and Demond Washington lost a fumble at midfield after a long kickoff return. The Wildcats were able to score a pair of touchdowns in the final three and a half minutes of regulation to force overtime.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/tag/_/name/ben-tate

Analysis
Inside: At his best as a downhill runner. Thick build with good musculature throughout. Attacks the line of scrimmage and takes what the defense gives him. Lowers his shoulder and will take on the defender in the hole. Good toughness to run through arm tackles and get to and through the second level and into the open field. Keeps his eyes up and has enough lateral agility and acceleration to take advantage of cut-back lanes. Good balance, but is not special in this area. Protects the ball with both hands in traffic, but has had some issues with fumbles over his career. Good short-yardage who runs with competitive fire and seems to have a legitimate nose for the end zone.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1113529

TexCanada
04-23-2010, 11:33 PM
No Herv, you DON'T get it. You're "freaking out" and being a "knee-jerk" because they didn't do what YOU wanted them to do, because for some reason you happen to think you know more than they do.

It's not the opinion. It's the attitude. And your attitude is ******ed up.

And you're mad at people for not thinking how YOU want them to think? Maybe calm down and talk some football.

I'm very happy with what we did today. People think that trading our third round pick for the 4th and 5th was a bad idea, but in reality it was a bottom 3rd round and a top of the 4th round, so it really wasn't that far back. We got a CB, RB and a DT so far, I would like to see us get another DB and an OL before we are done.

awtysst
04-23-2010, 11:33 PM
So I just did a quick analysis/recap of our draft day trades and the ending result. Here's what it boils down to.

Texans move down 7 spots in the 2nd round to select RB Ben Tate and received the 4th pick in the 4th round (#102) and moved up 6 spots in the 5th round.

Now for you Trade Value Chart junkies out there (like myself) let's look at the math. #51 = 390 pts, #58 = 320 pts... a difference/loss of 70 pts we 'should' make up with the other picks. #102 = 100 pts... that puts us at a 30 point advantage. Plus moving up from #150 (31.4 pts) to #144 (34 pts) gives us an extra 2.6 pts for a grand total point advantage of 32.6 pts which is equivalent to the 19th pick in the 5th round.

That's what I call a success! Now we just gotta fill them with some really good players.

YES! I love these kind of posts where people use stats, numbers, and math to backup their posts. Excellent work!

Corrosion
04-23-2010, 11:35 PM
how could a guy have zero fumbles in 4 years? if he did, he wouldn't be trying hard enough

No , he wasnt tryin hard enough to hang onto the ball ..... But lets compare him to one of the most physical backs in the league in Marion Barber ....

Tate was my choice of backs .... Im thrilled they were able to get him and add a pick later.

Tate is a 220lb back who runs a 4.43 40. The fact that he averages better than 5 yards per carry in the SEC and didnt put the ball on the ground in 731 touches should make Texans fans feel pretty good.

YES! I love these kind of posts where people use stats, numbers, and math to backup their posts. Excellent work!

OMT's been around here longer than .... well since yesterday :lol:

euro-Texan
04-23-2010, 11:37 PM
If they are tracking stats on ESPN, ALL running backs have zero fumbles because they don't track that stat even though they list it.

Damn, I bet Rick Smith is gonna be pissed when he reads this.:pissed::pissed:

Texans34Life
04-23-2010, 11:38 PM
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183482

More proof:

http://i44.tinypic.com/24ce44o.jpg

JB
04-23-2010, 11:43 PM
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183482
More proof:

http://i44.tinypic.com/24ce44o.jpg

Every rb you check will have the same when it comes to fumbles at the collegiate level

Stemp
04-23-2010, 11:43 PM
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183482

More proof:



How about video proof he does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq87ma0fHro

Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but don't get excited just because of the flawed ESPN stat sheet.

Thorn
04-23-2010, 11:49 PM
All RBs fumble, it's just a matter of how much.

JB
04-23-2010, 11:50 PM
I am happier than a pig in mud about this draft so far!

Corrosion
04-23-2010, 11:51 PM
Here's Tate sending #5 pick Eric Berry flyin .... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tK-ttHGJRU&feature=related)

nut
04-23-2010, 11:51 PM
I am happier than a pig in mud about this draft so far!

why?

Texan4Ever
04-23-2010, 11:56 PM
All RBs fumble, it's just a matter of how much.

Mike Hart, former Michigan RB and current Colt, never fumbled as far as I know.

stingray
04-23-2010, 11:57 PM
Fumbles
Season TEAM G FUMB FUMBLOST
2007-08 Auburn 13 2 1
2008-09 Auburn 12 3 2
2009-10 Auburn 13 4 3
TOTAL 47 9 6

Ben had 9 fumbles and 6 fumbles lost in his career at Auburn.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1113529

Honoring Earl 34
04-23-2010, 11:57 PM
why?

Why not ?

Corrosion
04-23-2010, 11:59 PM
why?

Three of the four biggest needs on this team addressed with solid players and two picks in the 4th round that should net players who can contribute ?

Still some good interior OL and FS prospects on the board.

Honoring Earl 34
04-23-2010, 11:59 PM
Here's Tate sending #5 pick Eric Berry flyin .... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tK-ttHGJRU&feature=related)

This is the best evah .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uaPTIkiYSM&feature=related

Stemp
04-24-2010, 12:02 AM
Mike Hart, former Michigan RB and current Colt, never fumbled as far as I know.

Actually, he had 3 fumbles in college.

Corrosion
04-24-2010, 12:03 AM
This is the best evah .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uaPTIkiYSM&feature=related

Earl was a bad ass ..... :aggressive:

Blake
04-24-2010, 12:04 AM
Got this from Ben Tate's twitter page. Sounds like a good combo name.

@Steve20Slaton thx man slate & tate all day!!!
about 1 hour ago via web

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2010, 12:04 AM
[QUOTE=Corrosion;1416175]Earl was a bad ass ..... :aggressive:[/QUOT

Yep ... a safeties nightmare .

DocBar
04-24-2010, 12:18 AM
I'd love to throw punches with him. Just see what he's got. He looks like he'd be fun to trade blows with. That's one lucky golfing buddy there. I'd be honored to have the Brown train steamroll me. JIM FREAKIN' BROWN! I'm stupid like that.

That reminds me of David Arquette in that wrestling comedy where they kept wanting some rassler to hit them on the head.

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2010, 12:51 AM
No Herv, you DON'T get it. You're "freaking out" and being a "knee-jerk" because they didn't do what YOU wanted them to do, because for some reason you happen to think you know more than they do.

It's not the opinion. It's the attitude. And your attitude is ******ed up.

Let's keep the posts to the draft, not the member.