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J_R
04-16-2010, 01:04 PM
Jay_Glazer Ted ginn just traded to 49ers for a late-round pick in this year's draft!

eriadoc
04-16-2010, 01:14 PM
I'm not sure I get this. OK, Ginn hasn't turned out to be what they'd hoped for (foolishly hoped for, IMO), but why not give the guy a shot at lining up opposite Brandon Marshall? He might be the perfect complementary WR.

bah007
04-16-2010, 01:18 PM
I'm not sure I get this. OK, Ginn hasn't turned out to be what they'd hoped for (foolishly hoped for, IMO), but why not give the guy a shot at lining up opposite Brandon Marshall? He might be the perfect complementary WR.

I agree. In my eyes Ginn is basically the same player as Jacoby Jones. Putting a true threat on the opposite side of the field might help him. He will never be a #1 (which is what he was drafted to be), but that doesn't mean you have to give up on him completely.

Txn_in_FL
04-16-2010, 01:39 PM
So now he lines up with Crabtree?

drewmar74
04-16-2010, 01:40 PM
So now he lines up with Crabtree?

Yes sir. 'Sho do.

They had a need because, IIRC, Isaac Bruce hung 'em up last year and I think the cupboard was pretty bare outside of Crabtree.

Errant Hothy
04-16-2010, 01:50 PM
Yes sir. 'Sho do.

They had a need because, IIRC, Isaac Bruce hung 'em up last year and I think the cupboard was pretty bare outside of Crabtree.

Carbtree and Ginn have the potential to be a great pair at WR, but...um...who gets them the ball? Alex Smith? Carr?

J_R
04-16-2010, 01:53 PM
Jimmy Clausen!

drewmar74
04-16-2010, 01:53 PM
Carbtree and Ginn have the potential to be a great pair at WR, but...um...who gets them the ball? Alex Smith? Carr?

Yeah. IMO, they have one of the more "non-good" QB situations in the league.

J_R
04-16-2010, 02:03 PM
5th round pick for Ginn.

BIG TORO
04-16-2010, 02:06 PM
5th round pick for Ginn.

If he is there!

JB
04-16-2010, 02:07 PM
If he is there!

no, the 49ers traded a fifth for Ted Ginn

Blake
04-16-2010, 02:10 PM
This offseason proves why you should never draft a WR with a high draft pick. They can be had from other teams for dirt cheap.

Focus on QB's, QB protectors, and QB attackers.

Jackie Chiles
04-16-2010, 02:11 PM
This offseason proves why you should never draft a WR with a high draft pick. They can be had from other teams for dirt cheap.

Focus on QB's, QB protectors, and QB attackers.

So that makes Andre what, the exception that proves the rule?

BIG TORO
04-16-2010, 02:14 PM
Jimmy Clausen!

If he is there!

J_R
04-16-2010, 02:15 PM
That's true. Buffalo may take him.

GuerillaBlack
04-16-2010, 02:15 PM
Carbtree and Ginn have the potential to be a great pair at WR, but...um...who gets them the ball? Alex Smith? Carr?

Tebow? If the 49ers were smart...

Don't know how Tebow and San Francisco would work though. ;)

Section516
04-16-2010, 02:16 PM
So that makes Andre what, the exception that proves the rule?

That makes us lucky as *******

Charles Rodgers was the one detroit picked, right? The one repaying, jail, etc?

BIG TORO
04-16-2010, 02:16 PM
no, the 49ers traded a fifth for Ted Ginn

Sorry, I replied to the wrong quote.

b0ng
04-16-2010, 02:17 PM
That makes us lucky as *******

Charles Rodgers was the one detroit picked, right? The one repaying, jail, etc?

Calvin Johnson

drewmar74
04-16-2010, 02:18 PM
Sorry, I replied to the wrong quote.

Yeah - you were talking about Clausen making it down to the Niners.

I doubt it happens either.

Section516
04-16-2010, 02:19 PM
Calvin Johnson

1 Cincinnati Bengals Carson Palmer [5] Quarterback University of Southern California
2 Detroit Lions Charles Rogers Wide Receiver Michigan State
3 Houston Texans Andre Johnson Wide Receiver Miami (FL)

HOU-TEX
04-16-2010, 02:21 PM
A 5th rounder?! Gee whiz, talkin about taking a kick to the junk pouch. I guess they really didn't like him

Texan_Bill
04-16-2010, 02:24 PM
A 5th rounder?! Gee whiz, talkin about taking a kick to the junk pouch. I guess they really didn't like him

I'm just really upset that we didn't go after him since Bob was too cheap to go after Marshall. But then again, Bob is only interested in the bottom line and increasing his profits...




You're welcome SH. I just saved you some typing and about 4 or 5 posts...



:gun:

b0ng
04-16-2010, 02:26 PM
1 Cincinnati Bengals Carson Palmer [5] Quarterback University of Southern California
2 Detroit Lions Charles Rogers Wide Receiver Michigan State
3 Houston Texans Andre Johnson Wide Receiver Miami (FL)

Sorry, I had read it as "the last one detroit picked". However if you put a list together of who the top WR's in the NFL are, I'm willing to bet you see a lot of 1st round success stories (Moss, Fitzgerald, Johnson, Johnson, Wayne, Holt). It's not totally out of your mind to draft a WR high if you think he's got the goods.

I mean, if you see a guy who's 6'3" 220lbs and can run a 40 in 4.4 who can catch, he's gonna go high because somebody will want to take that risk every time.

HOU-TEX
04-16-2010, 02:26 PM
I'm just really upset that we didn't go after him since Bob was too cheap to go after Marshall. But then again, Bob is only interested in the bottom line and increasing his profits...




You're welcome SH. I just saved you some typing and about 4 or 5 posts...



:gun:

:lol:

:secret:

BigBull17
04-16-2010, 02:33 PM
I'm just really upset that we didn't go after him since Bob was too cheap to go after Marshall. But then again, Bob is only interested in the bottom line and increasing his profits...




You're welcome SH. I just saved you some typing and about 4 or 5 posts...



:gun:

I had to scroll up to make sure it wasn't SH. Funny. I would have brought him in for a 5th though, truth be told. He is a damn good return man. Could have replaced Davis.

BIG TORO
04-16-2010, 02:33 PM
5th rounder seems like the going rate for WR now a days!

HOU-TEX
04-16-2010, 02:41 PM
I had to scroll up to make sure it wasn't SH. Funny. I would have brought him in for a 5th though, truth be told. He is a damn good return man. Could have replaced Davis.

He was good in College, but really hasn't done much in the NFL as a return man. Comparing to JJ:

Ginn - KR - 23.0 yds, PR - 8.7 yds

JJ - KR - 24.3 yds, PR - 10.9 yds

drewmar74
04-16-2010, 02:43 PM
He was good in College, but really hasn't done much in the NFL as a return man. Comparing to JJ:

Ginn - KR - 23.0 yds, PR - 8.7 yds

JJ - KR - 24.3 yds, PR - 10.9 yds

Didn't see that coming!

HOU-TEX
04-16-2010, 02:46 PM
Didn't see that coming!

In their 3 season's, they both have accounted for 7 fumbles in the return game.

drewmar74
04-16-2010, 02:47 PM
In their 3 season's, they both have accounted for 7 fumbles in the return game.

Yes, our fumber is more explosive!

IDEXAN
04-16-2010, 02:53 PM
Fifth rounder for a guy who was went what, 9th overall, what 2 years ago. Wow what a bust !
But that did pick did provide some excitement as that Draft as I recall - they almost went nuts in Miami when they passed on QB Quin for this guy.

J_R
04-16-2010, 02:54 PM
Think we could fetch a 5th for Amobi?!

BIG TORO
04-16-2010, 02:57 PM
Think we could fetch a 5th for Amobi?!

Nobody's that stupid!

Dutchrudder
04-16-2010, 03:24 PM
Think we could fetch a 5th for Amobi?!

There's no need to trade him. Keep him around for depth and just draft or acquire someone better.

BigBull17
04-16-2010, 03:43 PM
He was good in College, but really hasn't done much in the NFL as a return man. Comparing to JJ:

Ginn - KR - 23.0 yds, PR - 8.7 yds

JJ - KR - 24.3 yds, PR - 10.9 yds

He is a better kick returner than Andre Davis. He is a deepo threat, though he will drop a few balls, he stretches the field. Im ok with not getting him, but a 5th isnt too much for him.

kastofsna
04-16-2010, 04:16 PM
oh my glorious god what a week this has been for the Dolphins. love it, love it a LOT. Ginn is not worth a 5th rounder, so i'm perfectly content with the trade.

aside from 2 ridiculous returns (give him credit for those), he's a pretty miserable returnman, too. worthless on punts for sure, and serviceable on kickoffs at best.

and to those who say getting Marshall would've made him a good complimentary receiver: no. no no no no no. he's a soft, weak, terrible receiver and he'll never do anything in the NFL. the Dolphins are fine with Marshall and a slew of awesome possession receivers.

BIG TORO
04-16-2010, 04:25 PM
oh my glorious god what a week this has been for the Dolphins. love it, love it a LOT. Ginn is not worth a 5th rounder, so i'm perfectly content with the trade.

aside from 2 ridiculous returns (give him credit for those), he's a pretty miserable returnman, too. worthless on punts for sure, and serviceable on kickoffs at best.

and to those who say getting Marshall would've made him a good complimentary receiver: no. no no no no no. he's a soft, weak, terrible receiver and he'll never do anything in the NFL. the Dolphins are fine with Marshall and a slew of awesome possession receivers.

Whats funny is no matter what they do, they still can't beat the TEXANS! lol

Blake
04-16-2010, 04:26 PM
So that makes Andre what, the exception that proves the rule?

That makes us lucky as *******

Charles Rodgers was the one detroit picked, right? The one repaying, jail, etc?

Calvin Johnson

This is all you need to read to understand why drafting a WR in the first round is a bad idea in general.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/22/AR2008042203256.html

b0ng
04-16-2010, 04:58 PM
This is all you need to read to understand why drafting a WR in the first round is a bad idea in general.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/22/AR2008042203256.html

So what you're saying is most of the best WR's playing the game were drafted in the 1st round. Got it.

J_R
04-16-2010, 05:05 PM
Nobody's that stupid!

Hah, you may be right

There's no need to trade him. Keep him around for depth and just draft or acquire someone better.

I wasn't asking should we trade him, was just asking about his "value" just for the sake of asking.

Dutchrudder
04-16-2010, 05:17 PM
This is all you need to read to understand why drafting a WR in the first round is a bad idea in general.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/22/AR2008042203256.html

I can count about 6-8 truly outstanding #1 WR's from those drafts over the past 10 drafts. (AJ, Calvin, Fitz, White, Wayne, Moss, Gonzalez and/or Burress) That's out of about 43 selections, which amounts to a 13-16% chance of getting an awesome WR depending on how you grade those top 8.

I see the point you and others are trying to make, and I agree to some extent, but I would like to see a contrast with other positions being picked in the first round. I really wonder if QB is a more precarious position to pick given all the high profile busts and the frequency of 1st round QB selections. Defensive tackle may be another position to consider, but that may just be my inner-Texan's fan talking.

Dutchrudder
04-16-2010, 05:21 PM
Hah, you may be right



I wasn't asking should we trade him, was just asking about his "value" just for the sake of asking.

Ah, well it sounded like you were implying it. In all honesty I think the Texans could get a 5th for Amobi. I'm sure some D-line coach out there would look at his tape and say, "I know I could turn him into a real DT!" It's not too much of a stretch considering his age and potential, but molding him for another year is not a luxury the Texans have.

J_R
04-16-2010, 05:32 PM
I'm sorry sir, my fault for not being clear. :o

Lucky
04-16-2010, 07:10 PM
This offseason proves why you should never draft a WR with a high draft pick.

This quote is why you should never make sweeping generalizations.

So that makes Andre what, the exception that proves the rule?

Calvin Johnson

What about me?

Draft mistakes in the top 10 occur at every position, including QBs, QB protectors, and QB attackers. Ted Ginn proves nothing, other than stopwatch speed is overrated.

gary
04-16-2010, 07:27 PM
I am willing to see how he does with the Niners before I call him a bust.

kastofsna
04-17-2010, 08:55 AM
I am willing to see how he does with the Niners before I call him a bust.

a top 10 pick being traded 3 years later for a 5th rounder doesn't already give you a pretty good idea?

gary
04-17-2010, 11:56 AM
a top 10 pick being traded 3 years later for a 5th rounder doesn't already give you a pretty good idea?Maybe so but I still would like to see how he does this season. If he plays like crap I'll call him out and say what a bad trade it was for the Niners. I just have seen too many times when a player sucks in one system but does alright in another.

SF49erFaithful
04-17-2010, 11:00 PM
Fair trade.