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Wolf
04-06-2010, 08:47 PM
this was on his facebook

Joe Texan I am ok but I am in the hospital and need your prayers


he should be out on monday I hear

Prayers sent and enough time to get his strength back for the draft

:texans:

Texan_Bill
04-06-2010, 08:53 PM
I just got off the phone with him a couple of minutes ago. He sounded tired, but okay. He really appreciates the prayers.

JB
04-06-2010, 08:55 PM
All my prayers to Joe Texan. Get well bud, we need more like you!

GlassHalfFull
04-06-2010, 09:10 PM
Love to Joe. Prayers sent.

Tedc
04-06-2010, 09:17 PM
I put "you can't keep a Texan down" on his FB.

I hope you are feeling better, Joe!

NitroGSXR
04-06-2010, 09:50 PM
Gettupaouttathere! You our hall of famer! Get well!

texasguy346
04-06-2010, 09:55 PM
Here's hoping you get well soon JT.

Kaiser Toro
04-06-2010, 10:35 PM
Get well soon JT, we have too many good days ahead at Reliant. :texflag:

Showtime100
04-06-2010, 10:54 PM
Best wishes and prayers sent Joe. I mean it.

MannyFresh
04-06-2010, 11:10 PM
Prayers for sure....get well soon.

Hoss
04-06-2010, 11:26 PM
My prayers to you man...

Esoom
04-06-2010, 11:28 PM
Hope he gets well soon. He is far and away the most entertaining poster on the entire board.

Hoss
04-06-2010, 11:30 PM
Can somone give me his FB link?

steelbtexan
04-06-2010, 11:32 PM
Get well soon

Thoughts and prayers

wagonhed
04-07-2010, 12:38 AM
Best wishes dude.

Texanmike02
04-07-2010, 12:44 AM
Joe,

Get your ASS better.

//signed//
Texan Nation

Texan4Ever
04-07-2010, 12:56 AM
Get well soon man, hope everything is alright!

BIG TORO
04-07-2010, 06:55 AM
Joe hope your feeling better soon, my prayers are with you.

Thorn
04-07-2010, 07:06 AM
Get well Joe Texan!

Corrosion
04-07-2010, 07:08 AM
Get well Joe Texan

Texan_Bill
04-07-2010, 07:42 AM
Can somone give me his FB link?

Try this (but I probably screwed it up)

http://www.facebook.com/joe.texan?v=wall&story_fbid=112525448766191

Hardcore Texan
04-07-2010, 07:51 AM
I saw that on his FB and left my well wished there, I hope he is back on his feet very soon.

infantrycak
04-07-2010, 08:34 AM
Best wishes JT!!!!

Cjeremy635
04-07-2010, 08:48 AM
Hope you get better Joe! Get well soon and get back here talkin' smack. I'll keep you in my prayers and hope you have a speedy recovery.

Jeremy

False Start
04-07-2010, 09:32 AM
Get well soon Joe. :texflag:

powerfuldragon
04-07-2010, 09:34 AM
i don't always agree with you, but nobody wants to be in the hospital. get well, man.

Txn_in_Oki
04-07-2010, 11:10 AM
Get well soon!!! :fans:

Hoss
04-07-2010, 11:46 AM
Try this (but I probably screwed it up)

http://www.facebook.com/joe.texan?v=wall&story_fbid=112525448766191

thanks bill it worked...

Dread-Head
04-07-2010, 11:49 AM
You know how hard it is to find a loud, incomprehensible, big, fat, party animal? It would be too hard to replace you. You BETTER get better! Just kiddin' man. You're in our prayers brother.

Porky
04-07-2010, 01:00 PM
Get well soon Joe. Thoughts and prayers your way.

Double Barrel
04-07-2010, 02:21 PM
I hope for your quick recovery, Joe Texan!

gary
04-07-2010, 05:14 PM
Get well soon my friend.

Texan_Bill
04-07-2010, 08:11 PM
Well I called Joe's cell phone (as did Tedc) and it went straight through to his voicemail. I then called the hospital directly and asked for Joe's room. I was told he was in ICU. Ted and Kathryn called shortly thereafter and got as far as the ICU nursing station at which time they were told to leave a message.

Short story, Joe must've went from a regular room (where I talked to him on his cell last night) to Intensive Care... Let's please elevate the prayer level a notch.

Esoom
04-07-2010, 08:12 PM
Well I called Joe's cell phone (as did Tedc) and it went straight through to his voicemail. I then called the hospital directly and asked for Joe's room. I was told he was in ICU. Ted and Kathryn called shortly thereafter and got as far as the ICU nursing station at which time they were told to leave a message.

Short story, Joe must've went from a regular room (where I talked to him on his cell last night) to Intensive Care... Let's please elevate the prayer level a notch.

Well I don't like where this is going at all. =\

Wolf
04-07-2010, 08:13 PM
thanks for the update TB ... you bet the prayers will be increased

GuerillaBlack
04-07-2010, 09:15 PM
Feel better Joe Texan!!

JB
04-07-2010, 09:56 PM
Well I called Joe's cell phone (as did Tedc) and it went straight through to his voicemail. I then called the hospital directly and asked for Joe's room. I was told he was in ICU. Ted and Kathryn called shortly thereafter and got as far as the ICU nursing station at which time they were told to leave a message.

Short story, Joe must've went from a regular room (where I talked to him on his cell last night) to Intensive Care... Let's please elevate the prayer level a notch.

One thousand fold. All our prayers for you Joe!Get well buddy, we are pulling for you!

SheTexan
04-07-2010, 10:16 PM
Hard as hell to get info from a hospital these days. You guys better keep me posted!!

Ted and Bill. Please PM me your cell numbers. I have a new phone and didn't save the numbers from my old sims card. Having to start over. I need Joe's also.

Sending up lots of prayers for Joe. I just know he'll be ok, we gotta have faith.

Shaft75
04-07-2010, 10:32 PM
Prayers to you Joe.

TB, I know you said he's in ICU. What happened? Any info for us?

Texan_Bill
04-07-2010, 10:38 PM
Hard as hell to get info from a hospital these days. You guys better keep me posted!!

Ted and Bill. Please PM me your cell numbers. I have a new phone and didn't save the numbers from my old sims card. Having to start over. I need Joe's also.

Sending up lots of prayers for Joe. I just know he'll be ok, we gotta have faith.

Momma, I tried to call you the other night... figured you were at work.. Pm'mming you now.

Texan_Bill
04-07-2010, 10:46 PM
Hard as hell to get info from a hospital these days. You guys better keep me posted!!

Ted and Bill. Please PM me your cell numbers. I have a new phone and didn't save the numbers from my old sims card. Having to start over. I need Joe's also.

Sending up lots of prayers for Joe. I just know he'll be ok, we gotta have faith.

I just sent it via PM


Prayers to you Joe.

TB, I know you said he's in ICU. What happened? Any info for us?

No... No real info at this point, other than he said it was a stroke. I talked to him on his cell phone last night from his hotel, errrrrrrrr hospital room. Tonight I called his cell phone (as well as Ted/Kathryn) and it went straight to his cell phone's voice mail . I called the hospital.... (and so later Kathryn/ Ted did too). They got basically the same answer.. Joe was in ICU.

Hookem Horns
04-07-2010, 11:07 PM
Wow, this is tough to hear. Joe's still young, 47? The good news is because of that he can pull out of this OK and recover. Get out Joe and start taking care of yourself.

I honestly need to do the same. I am 41 and I know I should be working out more, eating better, etc. Strokes and heart attacks don't just happen to older folks. They can happen to even the young, especially those that neglect their health which is probably the norm in our fast paced culture of stress and poor quality food.

JB
04-07-2010, 11:12 PM
Wow, this is tough to hear. Joe's still young, 47? The good news is because of that he can pull out of this OK and recover. Get out Joe and start taking care of yourself.

I honestly need to do the same. I am 41 and I know I should be working out more, eating better, etc. Strokes and heart attacks don't just happen to older folks. They can happen to even the young, especially those that neglect their health which is probably the norm in our fast paced culture of stress and poor quality food.

That's the key right there

Texan_Bill
04-07-2010, 11:23 PM
There's a reason I've dropped 40(ish) pounds in the 10/11(ish) months.

Showtime100
04-07-2010, 11:28 PM
Joe is in my thoughts tonight as I go to sleep. I hope nothing but the best for Joe.

CloakNNNdagger
04-08-2010, 10:08 AM
Joe called me this morning to tell me that Monday he was rushed to the hospital for symptoms consistent with stroke. A diagnostic CT scan confirmed a bleed into the brain. The bleed has since stopped and Joe is now stable. If there are no further complications, we expect the bleed to resorb without surgical burr hole drainage. He is still somewhat "woozie" from his experience and medications. He gave me permission to share this with the MB.

I know we all will want to join in wishing Joe a quick and complete recovery from this very scary occurence.

gwallaia
04-08-2010, 10:10 AM
We are thinking about you Joe!

Malloy
04-08-2010, 10:12 AM
Get well soon mate!

steelbtexan
04-08-2010, 10:14 AM
Get well soon

Thoughts and Prayers

BigWig
04-08-2010, 10:31 AM
Joe, My father had the same issue I can relate. I am sending you my prayers and hoping for a speedy recovery!

Hardcore Texan
04-08-2010, 10:31 AM
I saw he was in the hospital but this is the first details I have seen of his condition. Glad he's doing better, thoughts and prayers headed his way. Get well soon Joe.

Yankee_In_TX
04-08-2010, 10:31 AM
Yikes, I heard he was sick but nothing like that! Get well soon!

TEXANS84
04-08-2010, 10:35 AM
I knew he was in the hospital but didn't know what for.
Scary stuff, good to hear that things are getting better. Hope that he makes a full recovery and is back on his feet shortly.

It's crazy to think about how much we take good health for granted until we have a complication. So thank every day we feel good, because you don't know when that "day" will happen.

drewmar74
04-08-2010, 10:40 AM
Thank God that it wasn't more serious than what it was. Prayers for a speedy and complete recovery.....

Dr2bKay
04-08-2010, 10:58 AM
I am glad that he gave permission for this to be on the board because I know that the prayers from us will help a lot. I talked with him yesterday and he seemed to be in good spirits despite his condition. Since I don't have family here, my "Texans family" mean a lot to me and I don't want to lose any of them.

:heart: Get well Joe and rest up for the draft party!! Can't wait to see you.

Double Barrel
04-08-2010, 11:01 AM
Well I called Joe's cell phone (as did Tedc) and it went straight through to his voicemail. I then called the hospital directly and asked for Joe's room. I was told he was in ICU. Ted and Kathryn called shortly thereafter and got as far as the ICU nursing station at which time they were told to leave a message.

Short story, Joe must've went from a regular room (where I talked to him on his cell last night) to Intensive Care... Let's please elevate the prayer level a notch.

Thanks for the update, man. I really hate to hear this news, but I will keep him in my thoughts and prayers.

I think Joe Texan is a tough ol' bird, and it is my opinion that he's got a strong will to live. He'll recover and be better than ever, with a renewed sense of life and taking care of his health. I look forward to seeing his fanatic self rooting for the hometown team in a matter of months.

Hang in there, Joe Texan!! :texflag:

badboy
04-08-2010, 11:03 AM
Just found this. Prayers to you Joe and your family. Keep us updated CND and thanks for notifying us.

Double Barrel
04-08-2010, 11:04 AM
You're in my thoughts and prayers, Joe Texan! Get well soon, because the 2010 season is going to be our best yet!!! :texflag:

BIG TORO
04-08-2010, 11:05 AM
JOE get well soon buddy, and when the doctor clears you I will have your Crown Royal ready.

Drew_Smoke
04-08-2010, 11:05 AM
Prayers sent...heal up soon, hoss.

Texan_Bill
04-08-2010, 11:24 AM
Another thread already started for those who want to catch up: Prayers to Joe Texan...... (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70909)

GP
04-08-2010, 11:26 AM
OK, I am getting too attached to you people on here.

When I saw the news, I got a knot in my stomach and was relieved when I heard he appears to be getting better.

Gosh, I can't believe I have this strong of an emotional connection to people I have never personally met before. This really IS a family, I suppose.

Get better, Joe. I know I give you a hard time, and so do others, but you should know that all of us wish you a speedy recovery.

:cowboy1:

rush2112mn
04-08-2010, 11:28 AM
get well soon joe.......

The Pencil Neck
04-08-2010, 11:30 AM
Get well soon, Joe!

WWJD
04-08-2010, 11:33 AM
Praying for your complete recovery. Get well soon.

valleytexfan
04-08-2010, 11:39 AM
Get well soon, Joe!

SheTexan
04-08-2010, 11:40 AM
Thanks for posting Jean!! I knew about Joe's condition, but, I won't post reasons for someone's illness without permission either. Here's hoping for a speedy recovery! Lot's of prayers being sent up for our fellow Texan!!

Mr. White
04-08-2010, 11:43 AM
Looking forward to seeing you and your soap-on-a-rope around here again soon. Get well, buddy.

CloakNNNdagger
04-08-2010, 11:47 AM
Another thread already started for those who want to catch up: Prayers to Joe Texan...... (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70909)

Sorry, Bill, I didn't see that thread.

Texan_Bill
04-08-2010, 11:56 AM
Sorry, Bill, I didn't see that thread.

No worries Doc Jean. I just posted the link so some people could get caught up from the other day.

hookinreds
04-08-2010, 12:12 PM
Prayers and Texans cheers coming your way from me, the mrs and the kiddos Joe.

Revolution
04-08-2010, 12:30 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with you Joe!

Hardcore Texan
04-08-2010, 01:23 PM
Well I called Joe's cell phone (as did Tedc) and it went straight through to his voicemail. I then called the hospital directly and asked for Joe's room. I was told he was in ICU. Ted and Kathryn called shortly thereafter and got as far as the ICU nursing station at which time they were told to leave a message.

Short story, Joe must've went from a regular room (where I talked to him on his cell last night) to Intensive Care... Let's please elevate the prayer level a notch.

Damn I hate to hear this. I thought it was going to be okay at first just going by his facebook update that he felt he was doing well. And then I read the update by CND and now this.

Hang in there Joe, we are pulling for you. More prayers sent. Thanks for the update TB please keep passing along the info.

Kaiser Toro
04-08-2010, 01:32 PM
Here is to a speedy recovery.

http://www.adamsfootballtrip.com/photos/large/compact%20post%20london%20551.jpg

Reliant will not be the same without you. :texflag:

disaacks3
04-08-2010, 01:56 PM
Get well soon Joe!! You & I need to get healthy this offseason. :handshake:

Dr2bKay
04-08-2010, 03:01 PM
I just sent it via PM




No... No real info at this point, other than he said it was a stroke. I talked to him on his cell phone last night from his hotel, errrrrrrrr hospital room. Tonight I called his cell phone (as well as Ted/Kathryn) and it went straight to his cell phone's voice mail . I called the hospital.... (and so later Kathryn/ Ted did too). They got basically the same answer.. Joe was in ICU.

Check your PM.

Texan_Bill
04-08-2010, 03:34 PM
Check your PM.

Done and replied to... ;)

SAMURAITEXAN
04-08-2010, 03:36 PM
Get well soon Joe.

Texan_Bill
04-08-2010, 03:49 PM
Greg, thanks for merging the two threads!! I'll pay you when I see you.

Honoring Earl 34
04-08-2010, 04:10 PM
Dang ... Get well soon Joe Texan .

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0910/nfl.fans.week4/images/texans.opm5-36194-mid.jpg

gary
04-08-2010, 06:09 PM
You are one of my best friends Joe get well soon buddy love ya much.

Texan_Bill
04-08-2010, 08:07 PM
Just got off the phone with Joe. He's still in ICU, but was able to take the call. Right now, they're working on getting his blood pressure down. He's at 154/82 which is, I think a lot better then it had bee..

He wanted to express how much he appreciates the prayers and support Texan Nation has offered up. Hopefully, in just a couple of days, he relay that to all y'all himself..

Thanks.

Tedc
04-08-2010, 08:08 PM
Walking up to Joe's room, I noticed that he was surrounded by beautiful women who were taking care of his every need. He was wearing these Titan colored socks so I gave him some new Texans socks with the non-slip Texans logo on the bottom.

Joe is doing OK, but he is scared of his condition. He is hoping the test on Monday prove to be consistent with the good doctors scenario above.

He wants to thank everyone for the calls, thoughts, prayers but keep them coming.

imatexan
04-08-2010, 08:24 PM
Prayers sent, get well soon Joe Texans!!!

DocBar
04-08-2010, 08:28 PM
Thoughts and prayers are with you, Joe. May you get the best of a bad situation.

Kimmy
04-08-2010, 10:16 PM
Thoughts and prayers are with you, Joe. May you get the best of a bad situation.

Can we know the Hospital? I'd love to send something to him ... PM me if you don't want it all over the boards

Lucky
04-08-2010, 10:25 PM
I know we all will want to join in wishing Joe a quick and complete recovery from this very scary occurence.
Indeed, and thanks for the update.

Live strong and stay strong, Joe Texan. All us Texan fans need our HOFer back.

Texan_Bill
04-08-2010, 10:30 PM
Can we know the Hospital? I'd love to send something to him ... PM me if you don't want it all over the boards

Yes ma'am... St. Luke's Downtown. 832.355.1000. -or-
6624 Fannin Street

Kimmy
04-08-2010, 10:38 PM
Yes ma'am... St. Luke's Downtown. 832.355.1000. -or-
6624 Fannin Street

I only know his last name is TEXAN! Anyone else know the real last name?

And REP for letting us know :)

Texan_Bill
04-08-2010, 10:46 PM
I only know his last name is TEXAN! Anyone else know the real last name?

And REP for letting us know :)

PM sent....

Topher
04-08-2010, 11:11 PM
Get Well soon Joe! :heart:

Texans_Chick
04-09-2010, 06:21 AM
I can't believe I didn't see this.

Get well Joe. Prayers heading your way.

Brando
04-09-2010, 07:14 AM
I hope you feel better Joe! Prayers headed your way.:texflag:

texansdrummer
04-09-2010, 10:29 AM
Best wishes Joe!!!!! My thoughts are with you.

MojoMan
04-09-2010, 10:38 AM
I have been praying for you, Joe. Get well soon.

BSofA04
04-09-2010, 12:00 PM
Get well Joe, prayers for you!

BigWig
04-09-2010, 12:33 PM
Thanks for the updates, keep em comin!
Joe, You one of the toughest guys when it comes to adversity I know you can do it, get better soon Joe!

CloakNNNdagger
04-09-2010, 02:53 PM
Just came back from checking on Joe in the ICU. He has the expected severe headaches from the blood clot irritating and pressing on the brain. As long as there is no further bleed, these should taper off over the next month. Meanwhile, pretty heavy medication is needed to keep him half way comfortable, so he feels pretty sleepy most of the time. But that’s OK. Blood pressure is a little brittle, so meds to control it are being monitored closely. All in all, he is in good spirits. Under the circumstances, I’ve explained to him that he is a very lucky man.........with the type of stroke he sustained, approximately don’t make it to the hospital alive. With all of your prayers, he will be in the of the group that not only makes it to the hospital alive, but also makes it out of the hospital without permanent lingering disability.

He wanted me to again relate to the MB, that he is moved by all of the well-wishers, including some which have not always seen eye to eye with him.

Gotta let you know, he’s making great progress.......no pooping the bed.........he’s traveling on his own to the PortaPot just fine..............Oops, Joe, I hope I didn’t give out too much information. :bomb:

Honoring Earl 34
04-09-2010, 03:19 PM
Just came back from checking on Joe in the ICU. He has the expected severe headaches from the blood clot irritating and pressing on the brain. As long as there is no further bleed, these should taper off over the next month. Meanwhile, pretty heavy medication is needed to keep him half way comfortable, so he feels pretty sleepy most of the time. But that’s OK. Blood pressure is a little brittle, so meds to control it are being monitored closely. All in all, he is in good spirits. Under the circumstances, I’ve explained to him that he is a very lucky man.........with the type of stroke he sustained, approximately don’t make it to the hospital alive. With all of your prayers, he will be in the of the group that not only makes it to the hospital alive, but also makes it out of the hospital without permanent lingering disability.

He wanted me to again relate to the MB, that he is moved by all of the well-wishers, including some which have not always seen eye to eye with him.

Gotta let you know, he’s making great progress.......no pooping the bed.........he’s traveling on his own to the PortaPot just fine..............Oops, Joe, I hope I didn’t give out too much information. :bomb:

Wow ... thanks for the info .

All tailgating will consist of grilled Salmon and zuchini from now on .

NitroGSXR
04-09-2010, 03:29 PM
Wow ... thanks for the info .

All tailgating will consist of grilled Salmon and zuchini from now on .

Fresh squeezed beet juice will be the drink of choice.

Double Barrel
04-09-2010, 03:35 PM
Thanks for the continued updates. Fortunately, it's the off-season, so if one of our fanatics has to be on IR, this is the time.

We're playing the Cowboys in our house this season. I know this alone will focus Joe Texan to not only heal, but go above and beyond in his recovery.

Make sure all those doctors and nurses are Texans fans, ya' hear! :texflag:

Texan_Bill
04-09-2010, 03:43 PM
Just came back from checking on Joe in the ICU. He has the expected severe headaches from the blood clot irritating and pressing on the brain. As long as there is no further bleed, these should taper off over the next month. Meanwhile, pretty heavy medication is needed to keep him half way comfortable, so he feels pretty sleepy most of the time. But that’s OK. Blood pressure is a little brittle, so meds to control it are being monitored closely. All in all, he is in good spirits. Under the circumstances, I’ve explained to him that he is a very lucky man.........with the type of stroke he sustained, approximately don’t make it to the hospital alive. With all of your prayers, he will be in the of the group that not only makes it to the hospital alive, but also makes it out of the hospital without permanent lingering disability.

He wanted me to again relate to the MB, that he is moved by all of the well-wishers, including some which have not always seen eye to eye with him.

Gotta let you know, he’s making great progress.......no pooping the bed.........he’s traveling on his own to the PortaPot just fine..............Oops, Joe, I hope I didn’t give out too much information. :bomb:

Thanks for the update Doc Jean!! I'm going to visit him some time tomorrow. I'll update as well, although it won't be as eloquent or detailed as the "no pooping" part... ;)

*EDIT*
How's his throat doing?? I know it's been extremely sore.

Grams
04-09-2010, 03:52 PM
Get well soon Joe Texan. All our thoughts and prayers are with you.

False Start
04-09-2010, 04:45 PM
John McClain just mentioned Joe on 610. He said Joe is the only fan that can sit in the middle of the Black Hole in Oakland wearing the opposing teams gear and get away with it. Get well soon Joe, we need our #1 fan back. :texflag:

SheTexan
04-09-2010, 05:31 PM
Well, looks like GMA's gonna have to play tough with my "boys" this next year! Whack um with my ugly stick if I see um hittin the booze a little to hard!:pop: Since over half the Blue Crew needs to knock off a few pounds, I LEAD THE LIST, maybe we can get together and come up with some yummy grillin that won't kill our hearts and broaden our booty's!! I know of FOUR of our BC pals who have had wake-up calls this off season. We need to get serious about taking care of ourselves, and our fellow Texans!!

I LOVE ya all way to much to lose someone!!

Honoring Earl 34
04-09-2010, 05:49 PM
Thanks for the update Doc Jean!! I'm going to visit him some time tomorrow. I'll update as well, although it won't be as eloquent or detailed as the "no pooping" part... ;)

*EDIT*
How's his throat doing?? I know it's been extremely sore.

Can you tailgate in the lobby ?

When you going Bill ?

Both of my son's were born at St. Lukes .

NitroGSXR
04-09-2010, 05:50 PM
John McClain just mentioned Joe on 610. He said Joe is the only fan that can sit in the middle of the Black Hole in Oakland wearing the opposing teams gear and get away with it. Get well soon Joe, we need our #1 fan back. :texflag:

Woah...

McClain reported something accurate. Mad respect to John McClain for the kind words about Joe Texan. I'm really happy news has gotten out that shows Joe Texan is loved in Houston and Austin and across the nation. He has been right about one thing this whole time, people...

He IS the #1 Texans fan...

Dr2bKay
04-09-2010, 05:52 PM
Woah...

McClain reported something accurate. Mad respect to John McClain for the kind words about Joe Texan. I'm really happy news has gotten out that shows Joe Texan is loved in Houston and Austin and across the nation. He has been right about one thing this whole time, people...

He IS the #1 Texans fan...

I also respect John McClain for mentioning Joe. That was kind.

Honoring Earl 34
04-09-2010, 05:55 PM
I also respect John McClain for mentioning Joe. That was kind.

He said Joe's buddy Glen , alerted him .

SheTexan
04-09-2010, 05:56 PM
Sorry Nitro, and no disrespect to JT,(he already knows how I feel about the #1 thing) BUT, NO ONE IS A #1 fan!!!!!!!!!!! It takes ALL Texan fans to make a fantastic fan base!! We have fantastic fans who are behind the scenes, not front and center, that do as much for us as all the rest of us put together. Anyone want to tell us who owns this message board??

Honoring Earl 34
04-09-2010, 05:59 PM
Sorry Nitro, and no disrespect to JT,(he already knows how I feel about the #1 thing) BUT, NO ONE IS A #1 fan!!!!!!!!!!! It takes ALL Texan fans to make a fantastic fan base!! We have fantastic fans who are behind the scenes, not front and center, that do as much for us as all the rest of us put together. Anyone want to tell us who owns this message board??

Can there be a tie ?

NitroGSXR
04-09-2010, 06:13 PM
Sorry Nitro, and no disrespect to JT,(he already knows how I feel about the #1 thing) BUT, NO ONE IS A #1 fan!!!!!!!!!!! It takes ALL Texan fans to make a fantastic fan base!! We have fantastic fans who are behind the scenes, not front and center, that do as much for us as all the rest of us put together. Anyone want to tell us who owns this message board??

Did you sit in the middle of the black hole and get out alive?

C'mon now, grandma... For now Joe's our number one fan. We are all rooting for him right now, are we not? How about we resume the bickering of who's the #1 fan after Joe gets out of the hospital? Maybe?

Texan_Bill
04-09-2010, 06:20 PM
He said Joe's buddy Glen , alerted him .

I emailed McClain this morning..


Not sure what time I'm going yet, and yes I did think about firing up the pit in the lobby. :fingergun:

Malloy
04-10-2010, 04:38 AM
Wow ... thanks for the info .

All tailgating will consist of grilled Salmon and zuchini from now on .

Time for me to plan my trip to the other side of the pond then, since the tailgating just went vegetarian :)

Hardcore Texan
04-10-2010, 10:03 AM
Thanks for the updates everyone, please keep them coming.

Much respect to McClain for mentioning Joe.

Texan_Bill
04-10-2010, 05:31 PM
I went to visit Joe today. He's suffering from terrible headaches and at one point his blood pressure was at 174/(didn't see the bottom number). During the time I was there though it did drop to 136/??? He is super tired. In fact he was sleeping when I got there and nodded off while I was in the room. He didn't touch his lunch the entire time I was there.

Doctor Jean is gonna keep tabs on Joe, Joe's charts and speak with Joe's doctor, which is awesome!!! Thanks Doc!!!!

Texan_Bill
04-10-2010, 05:47 PM
Sorry, I had to take a phone call.......

Anyway, he is extremely gratefull for all the prayers and support y'all have given and shown. He understands just how lucky he is - not only to make it through this relatively unscaved and how lucky he is having all the support of the greatest fans ever.

JB
04-10-2010, 06:55 PM
Thanks for the update TB! We are all pulling for Joe.

Second Honeymoon
04-10-2010, 08:56 PM
Get well soon, JT. God Bless You.

Texan_Bill
04-10-2010, 09:39 PM
Get well soon, JT. God Bless You.

Right on!!!!! Thanks, he really appreciates it.

NitroGSXR
04-10-2010, 09:51 PM
Bill and Jean,
How long do either one of you think Joe will be there? We'd like to send flowers or mail him a card or something but we know that you can't send them to ICU. PM me hospital information as well as Joe's room number and last name.

Cage, my 8 year old, is very upset about Joe. He understands that Joe is very sick. They clicked for one game with Joe's pinata antics. Cage adores Joe for that. He also belives that Joe Texan's last name is Texan as per the jersey Joe wears. He thinks that's the greatest thing he's ever seen... that alone makes him a super Texans fan. He was meant to be!

Lol. Rock on, Joe.

gary
04-10-2010, 09:53 PM
We are all number one Texans fans in my book.

Texan_Bill
04-10-2010, 10:32 PM
Bill and Jean,
How long do either one of you think Joe will be there? We'd like to send flowers or mail him a card or something but we know that you can't send them to ICU. PM me hospital information as well as Joe's room number and last name.

Cage, my 8 year old, is very upset about Joe. He understands that Joe is very sick. They clicked for one game with Joe's pinata antics. Cage adores Joe for that. He also belives that Joe Texan's last name is Texan as per the jersey Joe wears. He thinks that's the greatest thing he's ever seen... that alone makes him a super Texans fan. He was meant to be!
Lol. Rock on, Joe.

Not sure, but I'm hoping he can get his BP down enough to get out of ICU within the next 2 to 3 days. (((Actually Doc Jean should chime in here- and trust me, he has waaaaay better inside info than me....))) That's hopeful and not based on any medical knowledge (again Doc Jean has so much more to offer from a knowledge base). Once that happens, I imagine another day or so after that....

My guess, Monday - optimistically. Wednesday - realistically.


Let's remember, and thank G*d that Joe will more than likely come out of this A-okay!! :thumbup


That said, let's not quit our prayers.



PS.... Tell Cage, Joe is gonna make it....... just fine!

CloakNNNdagger
04-10-2010, 10:48 PM
Joe will be undergoing a cerebral arteriogram on Monday. Depending if this test shows no further adverse findings.......and his blood pressure becomes well-controlled, we expect to be able to see him out of the ICU by Tuesday. His neurologic status remains stable, and I expect his arteriogram to be favorable.

gary
04-10-2010, 10:52 PM
Thanks Cloak.

texanfan2002114
04-10-2010, 11:56 PM
Joe our prayers from TLT are with you. Because of you, you have taught us all how to be true Texans fan. Get well soon brother.

Andrew6
04-11-2010, 02:16 AM
get better soon

Dr2bKay
04-11-2010, 11:33 AM
I would love to go visit JT, but I am such a girl and would be crying the whole time. I suck at things like that. I could barely have a phone conversation. :-( So I will stick to prayers.

We love you dearly Joe and we want you back at 100% You are #1 in my book.

Also if any Blue Crew'er is going to visit this week, make sure to contact Holly.

SheTexan
04-11-2010, 09:45 PM
I would love to go visit JT, but I am such a girl and would be crying the whole time. I suck at things like that. I could barely have a phone conversation. :-( So I will stick to prayers.

We love you dearly Joe and we want you back at 100% You are #1 in my book.

Also if any Blue Crew'er is going to visit this week, make sure to contact Holly.

I'm going as soon as Jean gives me the ok. Rest is vital at this point, and I pray Joe will recup fast so we can see him in his natural habitat, the Platinum lot! :doot: I know there is an e-mail site through St Lukes to send him a note. I got several last year when I was in St Lukes. I just don't know the link. Maybe one of you pc guru's can find it and post it. It is a wonderful way to let someone know you are thinking about them, and still give them the time to recup without a lot of visitation. It was something that made me smile everyday, just knowing my friends were thinking about me. The nice volunteers bring them by your room. Joe would LOVE it!!

CloakNNNdagger
04-12-2010, 12:12 AM
I'm going as soon as Jean gives me the ok. Rest is vital at this point, and I pray Joe will recup fast so we can see him in his natural habitat, the Platinum lot! :doot: I know there is an e-mail site through St Lukes to send him a note. I got several last year when I was in St Lukes. I just don't know the link. Maybe one of you pc guru's can find it and post it. It is a wonderful way to let someone know you are thinking about them, and still give them the time to recup without a lot of visitation. It was something that made me smile everyday, just knowing my friends were thinking about me. The nice volunteers bring them by your room. Joe would LOVE it!!

Sandy,

Here's the LINK (http://www.stlukeshouston.com/Forms/egreeting.cfm) for you or anyone else for the hand delivered e-Greeting service at St. Luke's.

Texans_Chick
04-12-2010, 07:35 AM
Sandy,

Here's the LINK (http://www.stlukeshouston.com/Forms/egreeting.cfm) for you or anyone else for the hand delivered e-Greeting service at St. Luke's.

I strongly suggest people send the elink greetings.

The hardest part about the hospital is the lack of meaningful sleep. The ICU makes it worse. All the beeping and booping of the machines. Doctors and nurses coming into the room when it is convenient to them. Getting your vitals taking manually at all hours or being given medications.

If you are in the ICU long enough, you can get what they call ICU-induced psychosis. Just being in a tight space with frequent interruptions and little sustained, restful sleep.

Really, being in a hospital is a form of torture. You are just about to go to sleep and some new person wakes you up. Or some machine goes nuts and beeps for no reason.

Hopefully, Joe gets better soon.

JB
04-12-2010, 07:36 AM
Sandy,

Here's the LINK (http://www.stlukeshouston.com/Forms/egreeting.cfm) for you or anyone else for the hand delivered e-Greeting service at St. Luke's.

could you provide the room # and can we just send it to " Joe Texan"?

BigWig
04-12-2010, 07:49 AM
I am sure that may work but I think his last name in Banowsky or Bankowsky, not sure.

Texan_Bill
04-12-2010, 08:30 AM
I am sure that may work but I think his last name in Banowsky or Bankowsky, not sure.

Banowsky is correct.

Texan_Bill
04-12-2010, 08:32 AM
could you provide the room # and can we just send it to " Joe Texan"?

7 South, room 7, I believe.

JB
04-12-2010, 09:07 AM
Thanks TB, greeting sent.

CloakNNNdagger
04-12-2010, 09:09 AM
I strongly suggest people send the elink greetings.

The hardest part about the hospital is the lack of meaningful sleep. The ICU makes it worse. All the beeping and booping of the machines. Doctors and nurses coming into the room when it is convenient to them. Getting your vitals taking manually at all hours or being given medications.

If you are in the ICU long enough, you can get what they call ICU-induced psychosis. Just being in a tight space with frequent interruptions and little sustained, restful sleep.

Really, being in a hospital is a form of torture. You are just about to go to sleep and some new person wakes you up. Or some machine goes nuts and beeps for no reason.

Hopefully, Joe gets better soon.


TC,

A truer recap of the "ICU experience" could not have been presented. It can, indeed, be just like continuous drip water torture.

BTW, for those who wish to e-Greet, JOE BANOWSKY can be addressed to "Neuro ICU 7 South 4 bed 7." Joe is 3rd in line for an arteriogram, hopefully later this morning or early afternoon. Findings and postprocedural recovery will determine if he is moved out of the ICU late this afternoon or tomorrow.

Texans_Chick
04-12-2010, 09:32 AM
TC,

A truer recap of the "ICU experience" could not have been presented. It can, indeed, be just like continuous drip water torture.

BTW, for those who wish to e-Greet, JOE BANOWSKY can be addressed to "Neuro ICU 7 South 4 bed 7." Joe is 3rd in line for an arteriogram, hopefully later this morning or early afternoon. Findings and postprocedural recovery will determine if he is moved out of the ICU late this afternoon or tomorrow.

Unfortunately, my knowledge of the ICU comes from my sister being in one for 7 (!) months from complications of her leukemia treatment. It was a brutality, and I will never be quite right about medical stuff ever again.

I think hospitals are a violation of the Geneva Convention, and the way they give treatment is only a few steps removed from witchcraft. Patients are human beings, but to care for so many people means that they are treated as meat. Docs, nurses, technicians, food prep folks and house cleaning staff all come into your room at whatever time suits them. Rest is impossible in a hospital. (My sister use to want to kill housekeeping people who decided that 5:00 am was a good time to mop up the room).

This is one of the reasons I am committed to eating well and exercising regularly and sensibly. You can do all the "right" things and still have to go to the hospital with a serious injury or illness, but that is no excuse for the fatalism that some have about their own health. You don't just want a long life, you want a quality life.

I just feel so bad for Joe. :fans:

BIG TORO
04-12-2010, 09:35 AM
I just want to thank everyone for the updates and information!

Texan_Bill
04-12-2010, 09:58 AM
I hear you, Steph!! Hospitals are "Da Devil"....

I dunno why but when I was visiting Joe the other day, I was nervous and on edge the entire time I was there. I don't like hospitals. I also don't like seeing Joe suffering from a terrible headache only to have the nurse say he can't take anything for 45 minutes... BTW, 45 minutes later there was no nurse to give him 'something'...

Evil, evil people..

SheTexan
04-12-2010, 10:28 AM
I hear you, Steph!! Hospitals are "Da Devil"....

I dunno why but when I was visiting Joe the other day, I was nervous and on edge the entire time I was there. I don't like hospitals. I also don't like seeing Joe suffering from a terrible headache only to have the nurse say he can't take anything for 45 minutes... BTW, 45 minutes later there was no nurse to give him 'something'...

Evil, evil people..

As usual nurses get the blame!! hohum, whats new!! Little do people know, who are not in the medical profession, how tedious our jobs really are. Not gonna adlib, just not worth it!

As for Joe! THANKS Jean for posting the link!! As much as you might care for someone, sometimes the best thing is to allow them time to heal. SOOOO many times I have seen patients FiNALLY get into a much needed state of SLEEP, just to be awakened by well meaning visitors. On the flip side, a patient can get very lonely and depressed when they have nothing to do but sit around and think about things. Call ahead, that's the best thing to do.

Texan_Bill
04-12-2010, 10:30 AM
As usual nurses get the blame!! hohum, whats new!! Little do people know, who are not in the medical profession, how tedious our jobs really are.

But you're the greatest in the world. That staff at St. Luke's can only aspire to be you!!! :)

Chance_C
04-12-2010, 10:50 AM
Get well soon Joe...e greeting sent.

drewmar74
04-12-2010, 10:55 AM
Yeah, sent him one myself.

Dr2bKay
04-12-2010, 11:17 AM
Just sent my e-greeting :-)

SheTexan
04-12-2010, 11:28 AM
But you're the greatest in the world. That staff at St. Luke's can only aspire to be you!!! :)


:smooch:up!! Is that what you're tryin to do! lol

I can assure you, and everyone else who seems to think that nurses are EVIL, that we understand you needs, and complaints, much better than any of you know. I belong to a THANKLESS profession, and that's really sad. I can assure you, I will go to work tonight, work my butt off for 12 solid hours, give 100% of myself to my profession, and not have ONE patient or family member say "thank you!" Just about the most unappreciated profession out there! JMO!

NitroGSXR
04-12-2010, 11:51 AM
Double post.

NitroGSXR
04-12-2010, 11:57 AM
:smooch:up!! Is that what you're tryin to do! lol

I can assure you, and everyone else who seems to think that nurses are EVIL, that we understand you needs, and complaints, much better than any of you know. I belong to a THANKLESS profession, and that's really sad. I can assure you, I will go to work tonight, work my butt off for 12 solid hours, give 100% of myself to my profession, and not have ONE patient or family member say "thank you!" Just about the most unappreciated profession out there! JMO!

Well if you were our nurse, we would have thanked you as we always do. Manners and respect still has meaning in our household.

I've spent a lot of time in hospitals. I've never had any major issues with nurses. If anything, it's the disconnect that I feel from doctors. Sometimes I feel like my nurses are my only link to reaching out for my doctor's humanity. There are some good and some bad.

True story. I once had a nurse set at St Joesph's named Hope and the other was named Mercy. Guess which one we liked... Mercy was brutal!

CloakNNNdagger
04-12-2010, 12:05 PM
I hear you, Steph!! Hospitals are "Da Devil"....

I dunno why but when I was visiting Joe the other day, I was nervous and on edge the entire time I was there. I don't like hospitals. I also don't like seeing Joe suffering from a terrible headache only to have the nurse say he can't take anything for 45 minutes... BTW, 45 minutes later there was no nurse to give him 'something'...

Evil, evil people..


Unfortunately, the type of headache Joe is experiencing is not the typical headache you can take something for and it's gone. His headache will be unrelenting until the blood clot irritating and putting pressure on his brain resorbs. Minimally, this will occur gradually over weeks. It is the type of headache that even with the strongest of pain medications will at best "take the edge off." Also, the apparent "requests" for such medications needs to be balanced with overdose and toxicity concerns associated with these not so benign medications. Although ICU nurses are charged with very demanding responsibilities, I, too, have had to counsel some concerning the timely delivery of "comfort" orders.

As an aside, I, myself, have been accused by some patients of withholding pain medications at times. However, as a physician, it is also important to remember that you can "kill a patient with kindness." Accordingly, I feel that there is no better example in medicine than the indiscriminate delivery or distribution of pain medication without regard to its "evils."

CloakNNNdagger
04-12-2010, 12:38 PM
:smooch:up!! Is that what you're tryin to do! lol

I can assure you, and everyone else who seems to think that nurses are EVIL, that we understand you needs, and complaints, much better than any of you know. I belong to a THANKLESS profession, and that's really sad. I can assure you, I will go to work tonight, work my butt off for 12 solid hours, give 100% of myself to my profession, and not have ONE patient or family member say "thank you!" Just about the most unappreciated profession out there! JMO!

Sandy,

Good nurses like you and also specifically ICU nurses are underappreciated for the amount they do, for so many, in such a short period of time. Patients, their family and friends need to step back sometimes and understand that they or their loved ones have not been checked into a hotel primarily for comfort, they've been admitted to a hospital primarily for care. Most all good nurses do indeed try to deliver the latter with as much attention to the former as possible. Thank G-d for nurses........specifically ones like you.

Honoring Earl 34
04-12-2010, 01:04 PM
Sandy,

Good nurses like you and also specifically ICU nurses are underappreciated for the amount they do, for so many, in such a short period of time. Patients, their family and friends need to step back sometimes and understand that they or their loved ones have not been checked into a hotel primarily for comfort, they've been admitted to a hospital primarily for care. Most all good nurses do indeed try to deliver the latter with as much attention to the former as possible. Thank G-d for nurses........specifically ones like you.

I spent a great deal of time on the 8th floor of the Methodist hospital in the 90's and I couldn't do what they do . They had a nurse named Audrey who was great . I asked her a question that the Doctor didn't want to answer and my Dad didn't want to hear , in a way that was innocent enough but she got what I was asking and because of her answer I started calling my Mom's family out of state .

badboy
04-12-2010, 01:14 PM
The profession of nursing is like most others, some good, some need to be kicked into another job. My brother was in a Pasadena hospital with doctor orders for morphine "as needed". A nurse refused because he might become addicted. Mike replied, hope I am here long enough to get addicted. Two hours later another nurse whom I had worked with at another hospital came on duty and gave it to him.

Hookem Horns
04-12-2010, 01:20 PM
However, as a physician, it is also important to remember that you can "kill a patient with kindness."

Michael Jackson agrees.

dalemurphy
04-12-2010, 01:42 PM
Sandy,

Good nurses like you and also specifically ICU nurses are underappreciated for the amount they do, for so many, in such a short period of time. Patients, their family and friends need to step back sometimes and understand that they or their loved ones have not been checked into a hotel primarily for comfort, they've been admitted to a hospital primarily for care. Most all good nurses do indeed try to deliver the latter with as much attention to the former as possible. Thank G-d for nurses........specifically ones like you.

I've spent a lot of time in hospital ICUs with various loved ones the past few years. The reality is that most nurses are wonderful. Unfortunately, many hospital doctor's are absolutely terds! They treat the nurses disrespectfully and they underutilize them as a resource out of some sort of superiority complex. Many of those doctors also can't be bothered with being paged or actually taking time for a thorough diagnosis. So, when a nurse refuses to give medication to a patient it is usually because they spend the entire day trying to plead with a doctor to spend two minutes to write a script. My grandmother was in ICU two weeks ago for an obvious stroke but it took those doctors 4 days to diagnosis it. The nursed paged the doctor one day at 3pm about a serious situation (multiple times) and we waited for 6 hours for a doctor to show up. When he did, he was irritated and dismissive.

And, let's not even talk about what it's like in ICU on the weekends!

Unfortunately for nurses, they are the patients and family members only representative for the hospital care. The only way to get anything done, sometimes, is to hound and pressure the nurses. Then, just maybe, they will risk dealing with those f+++in' doctors in order to get the family off their backs.

Hardcore Texan
04-12-2010, 02:08 PM
Let's keep the e-greetings going for Joe and help him forget about those headaches a few minutes at a time. :texflag:

BIG TORO
04-12-2010, 02:17 PM
:goodpost:

Dr2bKay
04-12-2010, 02:39 PM
: I can assure you, I will go to work tonight, work my butt off for 12 solid hours, give 100% of myself to my profession, and not have ONE patient or family member say "thank you!" Just about the most unappreciated profession out there! JMO!

Nope, I think that educators have you beat on being the most unappreciated...lol...but it is all good. We all chose our professions because of our love for it and not to be recognized daily.

TexansBlood
04-12-2010, 03:12 PM
Just sent Joe Texan and e-gretting wishing him a speedy recovery even though I dont know him or met him but were all family in this board and im here to support my fellow Texans fans.

FILO_girl
04-12-2010, 03:32 PM
Unfortunately, the type of headache Joe is experiencing is not the typical headache you can take something for and it's gone. His headache will be unrelenting until the blood clot irritating and putting pressure on his brain resorbs. Minimally, this will occur gradually over weeks. It is the type of headache that even with the strongest of pain medications will at best "take the edge off." Also, the apparent "requests" for such medications needs to be balanced with overdose and toxicity concerns associated with these not so benign medications. Although ICU nurses are charged with very demanding responsibilities, I, too, have had to counsel some concerning the timely delivery of "comfort" orders.

As an aside, I, myself, have been accused by some patients of withholding pain medications at times. However, as a physician, it is also important to remember that you can "kill a patient with kindness." Accordingly, I feel that there is no better example in medicine than the indiscriminate delivery or distribution of pain medication without regard to its "evils."


I wish you were my Mom's Dr., Cloak!

JMO, as a person who has experienced similar to what Joe is going through not that long ago...he really needs the love and support of those around him, I bet he is scared to death. BUT, when I was going through mine...I did not want anyone to see me in my situation, I was not 'me' for sometime. Everyone has their own way of dealing with stuff, just putting this scenario out there as I am not sure he is thinking the same way. This is some heavy duty chit to deal with. Just some food for thought...

Take care Joe, I can sympathize with you...

HoustonFrog
04-12-2010, 03:34 PM
After two extended hospital stays, I know what a pain they can be. Hang in there. Joe, get better!

CloakNNNdagger
04-12-2010, 04:16 PM
Joe went down for the arteriogram at 11:30 and came back around 2:30. He's doing well and sleeping now. It appears that there are no signs of further bleed and actually quicker than usual signs of resorption of the blood clot. But, the final report by the neuroradiologist has not been released. Further good news, is blood pressure has remained very stable on his medication regimen.

It appears that everyone's prayers have been heard. Pending the final report, I feel we will be able to transfer Joe out of the ICU later this evening or early morning. And, because of his stabilized blood pressure, excluding any unforeseen problems cropping up, within the next day or two, he may be laying in his own bed at home with dancing girls surrounding him, fanning him while they drop grapes in his mouth one by one. We're looking for volunteers.

Honoring Earl 34
04-12-2010, 04:22 PM
Joe went down for the arteriogram at 11:30 and came back around 2:30. He's doing well and sleeping now. It appears that there are no signs of further bleed and actually quicker than usual signs of resorption of the blood clot. But, the final report by the neuroradiologist has not been released. Further good news, is blood pressure has remained very stable on his medication regimen.

It appears that everyone's prayers have been heard. Pending the final report, I feel we will be able to transfer Joe out of the ICU later this evening or early morning. And, because of his stabilized blood pressure, excluding any unforeseen problems cropping up, within the next day or two, he may be laying in his own bed at home with dancing girls surrounding him, fanning him while they drop grapes in his mouth one by one. We're looking for volunteers.

I think Bill can help if someone volunteers to install a bunch of poles . Of course that won't help his blood pressure .

GP
04-12-2010, 04:25 PM
Left my message a few minutes ago:

"Hey Joe, This is GP from the TexansTalk message board. I sure hope they let you use the pink soap I sent you. Remember what you always told us soapers "Don't drop the soap!" Anyways, I sure hope you get better. Everybody on the message board keeps checking in on the updates we get from Cloaknnndagger, trying to make sure we know you're doing OK. There hasn't been any big news with the Texans the past few days. So you ain't missing anything. The Astros are sucking extremely bad right now. Haven't won a game yet. Looks like Drayton McLane might sell them this summer, too. Probably will be a good thing for the jam that team is in. Got to go, and I hope you get rested up for the draft."

GP
04-12-2010, 04:30 PM
Joe went down for the arteriogram at 11:30 and came back around 2:30. He's doing well and sleeping now. It appears that there are no signs of further bleed and actually quicker than usual signs of resorption of the blood clot. But, the final report by the neuroradiologist has not been released. Further good news, is blood pressure has remained very stable on his medication regimen.

It appears that everyone's prayers have been heard. Pending the final report, I feel we will be able to transfer Joe out of the ICU later this evening or early morning. And, because of his stabilized blood pressure, excluding any unforeseen problems cropping up, within the next day or two, he may be laying in his own bed at home with dancing girls surrounding him, fanning him while they drop grapes in his mouth one by one. We're looking for volunteers.

Oh that's really great news. Thanks for updating us, Cloak. Means a lot.

My wife sells Tekturna, Diovan, and the new Tekturna/Diovan combination called "Valturna." So I have gained a lot of knowledge about BP control just from hearing her talk about it. That's some good news that his BP is staying controlled. I suspect Joe is on some blood thinners, too, to help as the clot resolves itself.

Thanks again for the news.

CloakNNNdagger
04-12-2010, 04:52 PM
Oh that's really great news. Thanks for updating us, Cloak. Means a lot.

My wife sells Tekturna, Diovan, and the new Tekturna/Diovan combination called "Valturna." So I have gained a lot of knowledge about BP control just from hearing her talk about it. That's some good news that his BP is staying controlled. I suspect Joe is on some blood thinners, too, to help as the clot resolves itself.
Thanks again for the news.

GP,

You're welcome. But blood clots in the legs are approached differently than those in the brain. Clots in the legs are not caused by bleeding. They are caused by stagnant blood flow through the veins and inflammation of the vein walls. Since he had an active bleed (wet) stroke, we have avoided any blood thinning agents, in that they would encourage further bleed. Resolution of his clot has had to be totally spontaneous. Usually, when there is a prolonged period of relative immobility in the ICU, we try to initiate blood clot prevention in the legs with the use of low dose blood thinners. But, for the above reason, this couldn't be done in Joe's case. Therefore, we have had to rely on encouraging him to move his feet and legs often, trying to get him up as much as possible, and placing continuous mechanical massagers on both of his legs. These measures were all done to promote good circulation to the legs, since sluggish flow there leads to the type of blood clots in the legs or pelvis which then can travel to the lungs and lead to a high incidence of death.

Double Barrel
04-12-2010, 04:57 PM
Thanks for the updates, CnD! We'll keep Joe Texan in our thoughts and prayers. Between the miracle of modern medicine and the powers of spiritual healing, he'll be up and cursing the ICOU in just a matter of time. The way it should be!

GP
04-12-2010, 05:00 PM
GP,

You're welcome. But blood clots in the legs are approached differently than those in the brain. Since he had an active bleed (wet) stroke, we have avoided any blood thinning agents, in that they would encourage further bleed. Resolution of his clot has had to be totally spontaneous. Usually, when there is a prolonged period of relative immobility in the ICU, we try to initiate blood clot prevention in the legs with the use of low dose blood thinners. But, for the above reason, this couldn't be done in Joe's case. Therefore, we had to rely on encouraging him to move his feet and legs often, trying to get him up as much as possible, and placing continuous mechanical massagers on both of his legs. These measures were all done to promote good circulation to the legs, since sluggish flow there leads to the type of blood clots in the legs or pelvis which then can travel to the lungs and lead to a high incidence of death.

Oh I see, so he didn't throw the clot from somewhere in the lower extremities. His clot originated in the brain? Yikes.

Texan_Bill
04-12-2010, 07:07 PM
Joe went down for the arteriogram at 11:30 and came back around 2:30. He's doing well and sleeping now. It appears that there are no signs of further bleed and actually quicker than usual signs of resorption of the blood clot. But, the final report by the neuroradiologist has not been released. Further good news, is blood pressure has remained very stable on his medication regimen.

It appears that everyone's prayers have been heard. Pending the final report, I feel we will be able to transfer Joe out of the ICU later this evening or early morning. And, because of his stabilized blood pressure, excluding any unforeseen problems cropping up, within the next day or two, he may be laying in his own bed at home with dancing girls surrounding him, fanning him while they drop grapes in his mouth one by one. We're looking for volunteers.

I just got off the phone with him. Sounds much better and relayed everything that you posted. He also mentioned that he had a catheter inserted in the artery in his leg (or something to that effect). Anywho, he was all excited because it's now been 7 hours and he can get it taken out. Says he should be in a regular room...

Wooohoooooo!! Lemme know when the girls get there, I'm partying with Joe!!!

JB
04-12-2010, 07:11 PM
I just got off the phone with him. Sounds much better and relayed everything that you posted. He also mentioned that he had a catheter inserted in the artery in his leg (or something to that effect). Anywho, he was all excited because it's now been 7 hours and he can get it taken out. Says he should be in a regular room...

Wooohoooooo!! Lemme know when the girls get there, I'm partying with Joe!!!


Thank for the update TB! Let him know we are all thinking about him. And let me know when the party starts!

Texan_Bill
04-12-2010, 07:20 PM
Thank for the update TB! Let him know we are all thinking about him. And let me know when the party starts!

Make sure you read Doc Jean's post too. Much more detailed and eloguently stated than my posts.

Hell no we won't let you know. The more girls and less guys, the better! ;)

JB
04-12-2010, 07:22 PM
Make sure you read Doc Jean's post too. Much more detailed and eloguently stated than my posts.

Always
Hell no we won't let you know. The more girls and less guys, the better! ;)

Dude!

Texan_Bill
04-12-2010, 07:24 PM
:smooch:up!! Is that what you're tryin to do! lol

I can assure you, and everyone else who seems to think that nurses are EVIL, that we understand you needs, and complaints, much better than any of you know. I belong to a THANKLESS profession, and that's really sad. I can assure you, I will go to work tonight, work my butt off for 12 solid hours, give 100% of myself to my profession, and not have ONE patient or family member say "thank you!" Just about the most unappreciated profession out there! JMO!

Yes you do belong to a THANKLESS profession. My Aunt was a nurse (and beleive it or not a birthin' nurse too) for over 30 years. Unfortunately she left this world to be with God, but Lord knows that she was overworked, underpaid and under appreciated.

Understand where I was coming from. Sitting watching a friend, miserable, uncomfortable and in a lot of pain. She said he couldnt take any meds for another 45 minutes. I get that, what I don't get is why she wasn't back in 45 minutes, 50 mintutes or even an hour.

CloakNNNdagger
04-12-2010, 07:56 PM
As TB reported, Joe's transfer orders have been written. He's third in line for being transfered. No bed is available yet. We hope to get it done this evening, but tomorrow morning at latest.

His headache has taken a turn for the better........still hurts a good bit, but much, much more bearable. He had a "last meal" in the ICU tonight. Included an entre of McDonald's fish sandwich special with an ice cream smoothie. He says it's like one last fling. When he gets home, he will be getting on and sticking to a good healthy diet (with an occasional reward every once in awhile:)). When he gets to the floor, we will be changing his blood pressure meds from IV to oral. He's getting rid of all of his lines and continous body monitoring hook ups. He will be discharged home once his oral blood pressure meds are titrated to maintain the same stability as the IV-delivered one. Hopefully, he will respond to this within 24-48 hours.

ChampionTexan
04-12-2010, 08:03 PM
Yes you do belong to a THANKLESS profession. My Aunt was a nurse (and beleive it or not a birthin' nurse too) for over 30 years.

Is she the one that taught you about good birthin' hips?

And great news about Joe!

Dr2bKay
04-12-2010, 08:04 PM
As TB reported, Joe's transfer orders have been written. He's third in line for being transfered. No bed is available yet. We hope to get it done this evening, but tomorrow morning at latest.

His headache has taken a turn for the better........still hurts a good bit, but much, much more bearable. He had a "last meal" in the ICU tonight. Included an entre of McDonald's fish sandwich special with an ice cream smoothie. He says it's like one last fling. When he gets home, he will be getting on and sticking to a good healthy diet (with an occasional reward every once in awhile:)). When he gets to the floor, we will be changing his blood pressure meds from IV to oral. He's getting rid of all of his lines and continous body monitoring hook ups. He will be discharged home once his oral blood pressure meds are titrated to maintain the same stability as the IV-delivered one. Hopefully, he will respond to this within 24-48 hours.

We will have to be more creative with food during tailgates now. You guys can feed me all of the fatting foods...I will take it for the team.

Texan_Bill
04-12-2010, 08:08 PM
As TB reported, Joe's transfer orders have been written. He's third in line for being transfered. No bed is available yet. We hope to get it done this evening, but tomorrow morning at latest.

His headache has taken a turn for the better........still hurts a good bit, but much, much more bearable. He had a "last meal" in the ICU tonight. Included an entre of McDonald's fish sandwich special with an ice cream smoothie. He says it's like one last fling. When he gets home, he will be getting on and sticking to a good healthy diet (with an occasional reward every once in awhile:)). When he gets to the floor, we will be changing his blood pressure meds from IV to oral. He's getting rid of all of his lines and continous body monitoring hook ups. He will be discharged home once his oral blood pressure meds are titrated to maintain the same stability as the IV-delivered one. Hopefully, he will respond to this within 24-48 hours.

That's good news, because I posted Saturday he didn't even touch his lunch, which I was concerned about. He barely lifted the lid and looked at it. BTW, it looked pretty damn good..... for chicken. :cool:

Is she the one that taught you about good birthin' hips?

And great news about Joe!

:spit: but no.. I came up with that dandy all on my own..... unfortunately. :gun:

texasguy346
04-12-2010, 09:21 PM
Thanks to everyone for the updates. I'm relieved to hear that Joe appears to be doing much better. I'll continue to keep him in my thoughts and prayers though as he works his way back to 100%. :fans:

JB
04-12-2010, 09:57 PM
As TB reported, Joe's transfer orders have been written. He's third in line for being transfered. No bed is available yet. We hope to get it done this evening, but tomorrow morning at latest.

His headache has taken a turn for the better........still hurts a good bit, but much, much more bearable. He had a "last meal" in the ICU tonight. Included an entre of McDonald's fish sandwich special with an ice cream smoothie. He says it's like one last fling. When he gets home, he will be getting on and sticking to a good healthy diet (with an occasional reward every once in awhile:)). When he gets to the floor, we will be changing his blood pressure meds from IV to oral. He's getting rid of all of his lines and continous body monitoring hook ups. He will be discharged home once his oral blood pressure meds are titrated to maintain the same stability as the IV-delivered one. Hopefully, he will respond to this within 24-48 hours.

Thank you so very much for the updates. I feel a little mor at ease now. I have never met Joe, but he has been a hero for so many that I feel that I know him. There used to be a lot of hero's like Joe. Lately...not so much.

All our prayers Joe! Just keep keepin on!

Texan_Bill
04-12-2010, 10:03 PM
Thank you so very much for the updates. I feel a little mor at ease now. I have never met Joe, but
he has been a hero for so many that I feel that I know him. There used to be a lot of hero's like Joe. Lately...not so much.

All our prayers Joe! Just keep keepin on!

:spit: More like our Court Jester.


I keed, Joe, I keed.... ;)

ledzeppelin229
04-13-2010, 12:59 AM
Was out of town when the thread got started - just finished reading through all the updates and very happy to see that Joe is doing better and appears to be well on the road to a full recovery! The place really wouldn't be the same.

Joe's going to have to be extremely careful considering his buddy Obama still has another two years in office...

CloakNNNdagger
04-13-2010, 11:41 AM
We're still waiting for a room to open up on the floor to transfer Joe out of the ICU. No time has been wasted waiting though. He is now solely on oral blood pressure medicine and holding well.............~115/70 (true throw down numbers). If he does any better, we'll be treating him for shock. Hospital protocol does allow discharge directly from the ICU. However, looks like, at this point, transfer to the floors will only be a formality to the road leading to discharge.

JB
04-13-2010, 11:53 AM
Fantastic news! Thanks for keeping us informed. I am sure Joe understands that he will need to make some lifestyle changes, and that will be hard but I am sure he will get plenty of help.

Joe will be hanging pinata's before long...

CloakNNNdagger
04-13-2010, 12:10 PM
While I was speaking to Joe, his floor room opened up in 22 Tower bed 6..............after all the preliminary excitement, pointed out that's a female room. [Not a joke!] Joe didn't have a problem with that (does that surprise anyone?) But unfortunately, we have to start all over and find another MALE room now for transfer............hospital protocol, you know.:)

He may remain in the hospital an extra day or so for a relatively minor issue unrelated to the stroke. Sort of "while in the neighborhood," should take care of it type of thing.

Texans_Chick
04-13-2010, 12:22 PM
:smooch:up!! Is that what you're tryin to do! lol

I can assure you, and everyone else who seems to think that nurses are EVIL, that we understand you needs, and complaints, much better than any of you know. I belong to a THANKLESS profession, and that's really sad. I can assure you, I will go to work tonight, work my butt off for 12 solid hours, give 100% of myself to my profession, and not have ONE patient or family member say "thank you!" Just about the most unappreciated profession out there! JMO!

I'd be the last person in the world to suggest that nurses are evil. The professionals who work in the ICU area in particular have a terribly difficult job. It's the nature of hospitals caring for so many people that makes bad things happen--not so much through malice but because there's a lot of stuff going on, and the docs/nurses may not know the patient's needs. It's helpful to have a sensible family member to help with the small things that the patient may not be able to do for themselves or even request from the hospital staff.

I am still messed up from the hospital experience I saw. I don't think I can ever be right about medical stuff again. Caring for a loved one in the ICU for 7 months will get you seeing things you can never unsee, because if you are in a hospital long enough, you will see really really bad, almost unfathomable stuff. I'm sure doctors and nurses see much worse. It was just hard for me because my sister was my oldest friend in the world, and it was bad to see her be in almost constant fear and pain.

I appreciate doctors and nurses more than most, but I dearly hope I don't need their services.

CloakNNNdagger
04-13-2010, 05:13 PM
Joe finally made it to the floor..........Y2211-1.

Texan_Bill
04-13-2010, 08:12 PM
Joe finally made it to the floor..........Y2211-1.

Sweet. He was supposed to call me sometime today to tell me where he got moved to, so I could visit. Anyway, I guess I'll visit tomorrow.

JB
04-13-2010, 08:17 PM
Sweet. He was supposed to call me sometime today to tell me where he got moved to, so I could visit. Anyway, I guess I'll visit tomorrow.

Bill, I am sure you will anyways, but please give Joe all our get well wishes and prayers. And tell him God Bless, and is it time to sneak him a shot?

Texan_Bill
04-13-2010, 08:21 PM
Bill, I am sure you will anyways, but please give Joe all our get well wishes and prayers. And tell him God Bless, and is it time to sneak him a shot?

Probably so and I always do send well wishes and prayers from Texan's Nation.

As far as the shot, Dr. Jean would have my azzzzzz!!! :eek:

JB
04-13-2010, 08:47 PM
[QUOTE=Texan_Bill;1405204As far as the shot, Dr. Jean would have my azzzzzz!!! :eek:[/QUOTE]

Better yours than mine! :lol:

Texan_Bill
04-13-2010, 08:54 PM
Better yours than mine! :lol:

Dude, if anything happens, I'm taking down as many people as I can...... JB included. :fingergun:

JB
04-13-2010, 09:09 PM
Dude, if anything happens, I'm taking down as many people as I can...... JB included. :fingergun:

Wha?! Who me? I will deny it to the end! Everyone knows how innocent I am! Truly!




damn, even my keyboard knew I was lying!

Grams
04-14-2010, 06:34 AM
Joe finally made it to the floor..........Y2211-1.

Yay! Keep on getting better Joe. Our thoughts and prayers continue for a speedy and full recovery.


I don't personally know anyone on this board except throught the posts, but
everyone is, in a way part of an extended family. When something happends, the uncertainty in not knowing is what causes the most grief.

Thanks CloakNNNdagger for keeping us updated on a regular basis. Your constant updates have helped a lot of us. Props to you if I could. Thanks!!

CloakNNNdagger
04-14-2010, 07:55 AM
Bill, I am sure you will anyways, but please give Joe all our get well wishes and prayers. And tell him God Bless, and is it time to sneak him a shot?

Probably so and I always do send well wishes and prayers from Texan's Nation.

As far as the shot, Dr. Jean would have my azzzzzz!!! :eek:

Better yours than mine! :lol:

Wha?! Who me? I will deny it to the end! Everyone knows how innocent I am! Truly!

JUST TRY IT. GO AHEAD, BOTH OF YOU.........MAKE MY DAY!!!!!!!!

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/scary-surgeon.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
04-14-2010, 08:15 AM
Joe had a little setback last night. He put out an anxious call to me at 1:45 a.m. He was again experiencing another episode of extreme headache accompanied this time with some chest pains. His blood pressure shot up to 180/100. I spoke to the nurse and we checked his oxygen levels which were satisfactory, and cardiac monitoring that showed no unusual event, and gave him an IV blood pressure med along with an oral strong pain medicantion. By 5 a.m. Joe was again well blood pressure-controlled and was sleeping. It appears that he will ultimately need a combination of longer acting blood pressure medications or a regimen of a.m. and p.m. split dosing to maintain 24hour stability. This sometimes bumpy period of transition from ICU continous IV blood pressure meds to oral med regulation is not terribly unusual. It varies from patient-to-patient and situation-to-situation. And that is why we have to leave an open-ended period of time for a time of discharge.

Earlier last night, Joe told me that he was being "BOMBARDED" with wonderful e-Greetings, and that it has really served to keep him busy and keep his spirits high.

badboy
04-14-2010, 08:49 AM
Joe had a little setback last night. He put out an anxious call to me at 1:45 a.m. He was again experiencing another episode of extreme headache accompanied this time with some chest pains. His blood pressure shot up to 180/100. I spoke to the nurse and we checked his oxygen levels which were satisfactory, and cardiac monitoring that showed no unusual event, and gave him an IV blood pressure med along with an oral strong pain medicantion. By 5 a.m. Joe was again well blood pressure-controlled and was sleeping. It appears that he will ultimately need a combination of longer acting blood pressure medications or a regimen of a.m. and p.m. split dosing to maintain 24hour stability. This sometimes bumpy period of transition from ICU continous IV blood pressure meds to oral med regulation is not terribly unusual. It varies from patient-to-patient and situation-to-situation. And that is why we have to leave an open-ended period of time for a time of discharge.

Earlier last night, Joe told me that he was being "BOMBARDED" with wonderful e-Greetings, and that it has really served to keep him busy and keep his spirits high.Thanks again CND for updates! Something that I have not seen mentioned is how grateful each of us should be for our health. Yes, each of us have some minor issues & some maybe major but I am thankful for how well I have it healthwise and in this economy, I am thankful or my job.

SheTexan
04-14-2010, 09:28 AM
Still praying for you Joe! You're in good hands with Doc Jean keeping an eye on you, and with so many friends sending up prayers to the Almighty! Hang in there!!

BigWig
04-14-2010, 09:50 AM
Yes, I echo the thanks for the updates, Its very comforting to know he is in good hands and that he will get through this. I live in Austin and I am grateful for you info Claok, I met you once along time ago and hope to see you again so I can thanks you in person.
Joe, keep on trucking my man!

No More 8-8's
04-14-2010, 10:32 AM
You know I am pretty new to this board, so i dont know all of you on a personal level, but my thoughts and prayers are with Joe and his family. I have never met him, but believe i sure have seen him on TV (I mean you can't miss the guy!).
Hoping for the best, I am glad that he is out of ICU. From reading the thread, it appears that he had a heart attack? Is that true?

CloakNNNdagger
04-14-2010, 11:11 AM
You know I am pretty new to this board, so i dont know all of you on a personal level, but my thoughts and prayers are with Joe and his family. I have never met him, but believe i sure have seen him on TV (I mean you can't miss the guy!).
Hoping for the best, I am glad that he is out of ICU. From reading the thread, it appears that he had a heart attack? Is that true?

His original presentation was stroke with high blood pressure. With this most recent episode, for reasons of thoroughness, we're having Cardiology check him out to rule out either "heart attack" or blod clot traveling from the legs to the lungs. At this point in time, I would venture the opinion that he has incurrred neither, and that finer control of his blood pressure meds should prevent a recurrent episode. But we will wait until all data is in later today.

He just woke up and his blood pressure remains at desireable levels. I spoke to him and he reports that his headache is back to the expected dull ache level and he is feeling MUCH better.

Texan_Bill
04-14-2010, 11:39 AM
JUST TRY IT. GO AHEAD, BOTH OF YOU.........MAKE MY DAY!!!!!!!!

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/scary-surgeon.jpg

:eek: That's scary..

However, we already had this conversation ;).. Tough love... Tough love!



Joe had a little setback last night. He put out an anxious call to me at 1:45 a.m. He was again experiencing another episode of extreme headache accompanied this time with some chest pains. His blood pressure shot up to 180/100. I spoke to the nurse and we checked his oxygen levels which were satisfactory, and cardiac monitoring that showed no unusual event, and gave him an IV blood pressure med along with an oral strong pain medicantion. By 5 a.m. Joe was again well blood pressure-controlled and was sleeping. It appears that he will ultimately need a combination of longer acting blood pressure medications or a regimen of a.m. and p.m. split dosing to maintain 24hour stability. This sometimes bumpy period of transition from ICU continous IV blood pressure meds to oral med regulation is not terribly unusual. It varies from patient-to-patient and situation-to-situation. And that is why we have to leave an open-ended period of time for a time of discharge.

Earlier last night, Joe told me that he was being "BOMBARDED" with wonderful e-Greetings, and that it has really served to keep him busy and keep his spirits high.

Dang!! I'm just catching up and saw this. That sucks, but it probably explains why he never called me...

Section516
04-14-2010, 11:54 AM
Message sent to accompany the many prayers.

Double Barrel
04-14-2010, 02:15 PM
Thanks for the updates and education, CnD!

I shall continue thinking good thoughts and prayers for Joe Texan.

Texan_Bill
04-14-2010, 08:04 PM
I just spoke with Joe. After last night's episode, (as Doc Jean reported - it was a minor set-back) and is feeling better. He goes for a stress test tomorrow. If all goes well, he could go home soon... What that means by "soon", I have no idea. I will defer to Doc Jean...

CloakNNNdagger
04-14-2010, 09:09 PM
I just spoke with Joe. After last night's episode, (as Doc Jean reported - it was a minor set-back) and is feeling better. He goes for a stress test tomorrow. If all goes well, he could go home soon... What that means by "soon", I have no idea. I will defer to Doc Jean...

Joe underwent blood tests and a chest CT scan all of which showed no significant unexpected changes. Because Joe has never had a stress test, and has had a long history of mostly unattended high blood pressure, it was felt to be prudent to check if there are any significant cardiac compromises that have occured over time. Many such changes cannot be appreciated unless the heart is put through controlled challenge while simultaneously being monitored. If this test turns out satisfactorily and Joe's blood pressure avoids any unusual spikes, late tomorrow may be THE day.

Texan_Bill
04-14-2010, 09:13 PM
Joe underwent blood tests and a chest CT scan all of which showed no significant unexpected changes. Because Joe has never had a stress test, and has had a long history of mostly unattended high blood pressure, it was felt to be prudent to check if there are any significant cardiac compromises that have occured over time. Many such changes cannot be appreciated unless the heart is put through controlled challenge while simultaneously being monitored. If this test turns out satisfactory, and Joe's blood pressure avoids any unusual spikes, late tomorrow may be THE day.

Ya know Doc, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Sometimes it would help if you call me and explain in layman's terms... :)

gwallaia
04-14-2010, 09:27 PM
I wonder how much the Texans have contributed to Joe's high blood pressure?

Texan_Bill
04-14-2010, 09:45 PM
I wonder how much the Texans have contributed to Joe's high blood pressure?

All of ours for that matter. :cool:

NitroGSXR
04-14-2010, 09:54 PM
Ya know Doc, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Sometimes it would help if you call me and explain in layman's terms... :)

I do realize that speaking in tounges is a prerequisite of being a doctor but that was pretty layman for me but let me dumb it down a notch...

Don't ignore your blood pressure readings. Too high=bad. Drugs or vegetables are better than nothing.

Texan_Bill
04-14-2010, 10:15 PM
Doc Jean rocks!!!! He is both schooling me and scolding me at that same time! He rocks!!!!!

NitroGSXR
04-14-2010, 10:38 PM
Doc Jean rocks!!!! He is both schooling me and scolding me at that same time! He rocks!!!!!

He does. He's had a pretty profound impact on my recovery himself. His bedside manner should be used as examples in required teaching for the medical profession. I'm just slightly injured but what cloaknndagger did... His time. His patience. His kindness. Just makes me want to cry. The hills on my road to recovery just got flatter because of him. He pushed mountains aside in my path just by merely talking to me and my doctor. Knowledge is power. Thank you, cloak.

I fricking love this board and its people. Be good and do good...

NitroGSXR
04-14-2010, 11:40 PM
JUST TRY IT. GO AHEAD, BOTH OF YOU.........MAKE MY DAY!!!!!!!!

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/scary-surgeon.jpg

You should be neg repped repeatedly.

Me and the wife are arguing about the night light. I want it on tonight.

*angrily mumbles under breath*

Hookem Horns
04-15-2010, 01:12 AM
Joe underwent blood tests and a chest CT scan all of which showed no significant unexpected changes. Because Joe has never had a stress test, and has had a long history of mostly unattended high blood pressure, it was felt to be prudent to check if there are any significant cardiac compromises that have occured over time. Many such changes cannot be appreciated unless the heart is put through controlled challenge while simultaneously being monitored. If this test turns out satisfactorily and Joe's blood pressure avoids any unusual spikes, late tomorrow may be THE day.

Just curious. You mentioned that he has had a long history of unattended hight BP? How is that known? Was Joe diagnosed with it years ago and just never took his meds? Or was it never detected and it is just assumed that his BP has been high for a good period of time because of what happened to him?

Also as a side question at what point do you recommend someone being on meds for BP? I am asking for myself because I tend to be borderline. I don't see my numbers over 140/90 too often however if I slack off on working out or eating the best I can (drinking my water, eating lots of raw veggies) my numbers do get close. I can often be around the mid 130s over mid 80s. I had one doctor recommend that I get on meds and another said not yet.

I often think some docs really are pill pushers and prescibe things when they are not necessary. However I know BP is nothing to fool around with as is evident in Joe's case.

TexansFight
04-15-2010, 02:17 AM
I just found this thread and wish Joe Texan the best in a speedy recovery. I have had my issues with him and his attitude; nevertheless, I hope he makes a speedy recovery.

My father is a cardiologist and practices at St. Luke's. I have been in that hospital countless times, most recently for my father who was a patient there for a few days. He is in excellent hands at St. Luke's as they have some of the best doctors and nurses that you can find.

CloakNNNdagger
04-15-2010, 09:28 AM
Just curious. You mentioned that he has had a long history of unattended hight BP? How is that known? Was Joe diagnosed with it years ago and just never took his meds? Or was it never detected and it is just assumed that his BP has been high for a good period of time because of what happened to him?

Also as a side question at what point do you recommend someone being on meds for BP? I am asking for myself because I tend to be borderline. I don't see my numbers over 140/90 too often however if I slack off on working out or eating the best I can (drinking my water, eating lots of raw veggies) my numbers do get close. I can often be around the mid 130s over mid 80s. I had one doctor recommend that I get on meds and another said not yet.

I often think some docs really are pill pushers and prescibe things when they are not necessary. However I know BP is nothing to fool around with as is evident in Joe's case.


Several years ago, I was concerned about Joe because of some observations I made. His blood pressure was very high and he was placed meds to control it. He was very good about taking his blood pressures regularly. Unfortunately, one day, he went for a follow up to his physician......and found that he had closed up shop and disappeared. Joe, at that point, because of “many things going on in my life,” unbeknownst to me, did not pursue continued treatment.

To your other question, I will try to answer it as simply as I can. It is important, though, for you to understand, that each patient’s situation is unique, and not all patients fit into a nicely package algorithm. Any type of information that I ever relate on this MB is not meant as “G-d’s word.” It is meant to be a generalized “hang your hat” information guide, with definitive diagnosis and treatment only to be determined by one’s personal physician.

For years, the 120/80 “normal” figure was the target range. But, about 5 or 6 years ago the acceptable standards were redefined. Anything between 120/80 and 139/89 is now considered "prehypertensive. Any reading between 139/89 and 159/99 is considered to be "stage 1 hypertension." And anything topping 160/100 is "stage 2 hypertension."

Patients with stage 1 blood pressures of between 140-159/90-99 mm Hg who have no other risk factors should try lifestyle modifications for a year before drug therapy is used. But if these patients have one additional risk factor such as diabetes or clinical heart disease, their lifestyle modification should be tried for only 6 months before initiation therapy.

For patients with blood pressure above 150/100 mm Hg, drug therapy is recommended, no matter what the patients' risk factors.

Today, physicians have trended to treat even the upper level (= or >130/90) “prehypertensive” group in younger patient groups much like they do the “stage 1" group in order to minimize the end point effects of creeping chronic elevated blood pressure.

Unfortunately, most patients with diagnosed hypertension do not make lifestyle changes or take enough medication to achieve control. The lifestyle modifications involve diet, weight reduction, moderation in alcohol and sodium intake (most recently, with attention to adequate calcium and potassium intake), and regular exercise for people with high blood pressure. The aforementioned are encouraged for those who are working to reduce pressure without medications as well as those taking medications.

I’ve always personally tended to view all “medications” as having potentially “poisonous” effects one way or another. In placing a patient on any medication, the physician should consider the good it can create, balanced with the potential bad it creates. In any condition, it is always smart for a patient to take seriously addressing lifestyle changes that can eliminate the need for medication or lessen the dosage of the “poison” they must take in to help control their condition.

BTW, as many people are truly totally unaware of what there blood pressures actually normally runs, it is always a good idea for one to take their own blood pressures occasionally with a home cuff or at your local pharmacy if you trust their accuracy. As they always say, "Knowledge is power."

Hardcore Texan
04-15-2010, 09:56 AM
Thanks for the info CND. You affirmed what I thought. I was pre-hypertensive and was put on a low dose of bp meds and was told to take it for a month and come back to be checked again. I was also a little high with cholesterol. Unfortunately, I didn't follow the advice or stay on the meds, I don't really like taking any meds unless I absolutely have to. There is no history of heart disease in my family, whatsoever.......just tons of cancer unfortunately.

I began having other things going on health wise a little later, probably 8 months or so. I finally decided it was time to get healthy and kind of woke up from the old way of thinking. I attributed much of my issues of being overweight, way more than I should be. So I have made those lifestyle changes you are talking about. I got strict on myself after the new year and have sinced dropped 20lbs. My longer term goal is to be much lighter by Thanksgiving. Of course, I am now married to the idea I will always excercise regularly and eat right. I am looking forward to taking my bp and see where it's at now.

What does alcohol do to your bp or why does it raise it I guess is what I mean? I have noticed with me, if I overdo my drink it really elevates my bp the next day. I don't like that feeling so I try not to let that happen. Truth be told, I like beer way too much and used to drink heavily often in my younger/single days. I have dialed it way down and realize how important "moderation" is for not only that but to help with the weight loss. I feel like I have good, healthy balance now.

Another thing that annoys me about going to the doctor is, it is so damn hard to get any of my doctor's time, it feels like I am going by on a conveyor belt. I just want a physician that will hear what I am saying and listen to my concerns. I am not a hypochondriac but I do have concerns. If I go in because I am sick, I just pay a co-pay to get weighed, tell the nurse my symptoms and get a 5 minute or less "quick inspection" by the doc and always get the same answer. But you're right, knowledge is power, I have learned enough to know how to monitor my health, understand risk factors, and to a point self-diagnose what I think it could be so I can at least relate to my doc what I think is going on.

Texan_Bill
04-15-2010, 11:51 AM
BTW, as many people are truly totally unaware of what there blood pressures actually normally runs, it is always a good idea for one to take their own blood pressures occasionally with a home cuff or at your local pharmacy if you trust their accuracy. As they always say, "Knowledge is power."

Every Saturday at my grocery store. ;) I know those machines aren't 100% accurate, but good enough to somewhat gauge your BP.

GP
04-15-2010, 12:08 PM
Thanks for the info CND. You affirmed what I thought. I was pre-hypertensive and was put on a low dose of bp meds and was told to take it for a month and come back to be checked again. I was also a little high with cholesterol. Unfortunately, I didn't follow the advice or stay on the meds, I don't really like taking any meds unless I absolutely have to. There is no history of heart disease in my family, whatsoever.......just tons of cancer unfortunately.

I began having other things going on health wise a little later, probably 8 months or so. I finally decided it was time to get healthy and kind of woke up from the old way of thinking. I attributed much of my issues of being overweight, way more than I should be. So I have made those lifestyle changes you are talking about. I got strict on myself after the new year and have sinced dropped 20lbs. My longer term goal is to be much lighter by Thanksgiving. Of course, I am now married to the idea I will always excercise regularly and eat right. I am looking forward to taking my bp and see where it's at now.

What does alcohol do to your bp or why does it raise it I guess is what I mean? I have noticed with me, if I overdo my drink it really elevates my bp the next day. I don't like that feeling so I try not to let that happen. Truth be told, I like beer way too much and used to drink heavily often in my younger/single days. I have dialed it way down and realize how important "moderation" is for not only that but to help with the weight loss. I feel like I have good, healthy balance now.

Another thing that annoys me about going to the doctor is, it is so damn hard to get any of my doctor's time, it feels like I am going by on a conveyor belt. I just want a physician that will hear what I am saying and listen to my concerns. I am not a hypochondriac but I do have concerns. If I go in because I am sick, I just pay a co-pay to get weighed, tell the nurse my symptoms and get a 5 minute or less "quick inspection" by the doc and always get the same answer. But you're right, knowledge is power, I have learned enough to know how to monitor my health, understand risk factors, and to a point self-diagnose what I think it could be so I can at least relate to my doc what I think is going on.

Alcohol starves your body of oxygen, IIRC. It also dehydrates you. It causes things to happen with your blood vessels, too.

On Mythbusters, they sat in a walk-in freezer until they were extremely chilled. Then they drank Brandy, like what you did back in the old days when a St. Bernard would bring you that little alcohol in a wooden cask tied around his dog collar.

They had an instant sensation of warmth. The scientific explanation, if I am repeating this properly, is that it opened up the small blood vessels (the capillaries sp?) which is why your face becomes flushed with redness...but it re-directs some blood flow from your vital organs, and thusly onto your smaller blood vessels. In short: drinking alcohol when almost frostbitten is a way to give more blood flow to the fingers and skin, but it might cause damage to the vital organs.

I hope I am not completely wrong. It's what they said on Mythbusters, so it has to be accurate. Right? LOL.

Texan_Bill
04-15-2010, 12:26 PM
Alcohol starves your body of oxygen, IIRC. It also dehydrates you. It causes things to happen with your blood vessels, too.

On Mythbusters, they sat in a walk-in freezer until they were extremely chilled. Then they drank Brandy, like what you did back in the old days when a St. Bernard would bring you that little alcohol in a wooden cask tied around his dog collar.

They had an instant sensation of warmth. The scientific explanation, if I am repeating this properly, is that it opened up the small blood vessels (the capillaries sp?) which is why your face becomes flushed with redness...but it re-directs some blood flow from your vital organs, and thusly onto your smaller blood vessels. In short: drinking alcohol when almost frostbitten is a way to give more blood flow to the fingers and skin, but it might cause damage to the vital organs.

I hope I am not completely wrong. It's what they said on Mythbusters, so it has to be accurate. Right? LOL.

:toast2: Here's to you hopefully being completely wrong. ;)

TexanDave
04-15-2010, 02:15 PM
Get well Joe

SheTexan
04-15-2010, 02:59 PM
I'll be happy to take all you guys BP, but, not after a night out with Bill and Hobie!!:)

CloakNNNdagger
04-15-2010, 03:11 PM
Hookem and Hardcore (and anyone else interested in the relationship between blood pressure and alcohol intake), this LINK (http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbpt.html) will summarize a significant portion of the relevant medical literature in fairly simple terms. It should answer many of your questions.

CloakNNNdagger
04-15-2010, 03:39 PM
Alcohol starves your body of oxygen, IIRC. It also dehydrates you. It causes things to happen with your blood vessels, too.

On Mythbusters, they sat in a walk-in freezer until they were extremely chilled. Then they drank Brandy, like what you did back in the old days when a St. Bernard would bring you that little alcohol in a wooden cask tied around his dog collar.

They had an instant sensation of warmth. The scientific explanation, if I am repeating this properly, is that it opened up the small blood vessels (the capillaries sp?) which is why your face becomes flushed with redness...but it re-directs some blood flow from your vital organs, and thusly onto your smaller blood vessels. In short: drinking alcohol when almost frostbitten is a way to give more blood flow to the fingers and skin, but it might cause damage to the vital organs.

I hope I am not completely wrong. It's what they said on Mythbusters, so it has to be accurate. Right? LOL.

Did you ever wonder, why insulated hunting vests were sleeveless?? Well, when it is freezing cold, the body tries to conserve heat by restricting the blood flow to the areas most externalized, i.e., the extremities (arms and legs). This is a protective reflex that the body accomplishes by constricting the extremity blood vessels, and thus detours the blood to circulate where it's warmest, internally, to preserve the body's heat. The preserved heat then confines itself to recirculating within the warmest core of the body. It basically shuts off the tendency to loose heat by stopping the convection-like transfer of the cold environment to the blood.

A person that drinks alcohol "to stay warm" in such a freezing cold scenario, indeed, feels the flush of warmth, as you explained by the dilation of ALL of the blood vessels in the body, including the extremity vessels that would normally reflexly constrict to preserve body warmth. It essentially over-rides the protective heat-loss preservative mechanism...........and, the happless person actually unwittingly contributes to his own hastened demise.

Hope that makes sense.:)

NitroGSXR
04-15-2010, 03:57 PM
Did you ever wonder, why insulated hunting vests were sleeveless?? Well, when it is freezing cold, the body tries to conserve heat by restricting the blood flow to the areas most externalized, i.e., the extremities (arms and legs). This is a protective reflex that the body accomplishes by constricting the extremity blood vessels, and thus detours the blood to circulate where it's warmest, internally, to preserve the body's heat. The preserved heat then confines itself to recirculating within the warmest core of the body. It basically shuts off the tendency to loose heat by stopping the convection-like transfer of the cold environment to the blood.

A person that drinks alcohol "to stay warm" in such a freezing cold scenario, indeed, feels the flush of warmth, as you explained by the dilation of ALL of the blood vessels in the body, including the extremity vessels that would normally reflexly constrict to preserve body warmth. It essentially over-rides the protective heat-loss preservative mechanism...........and, the happless person actually unwittingly contributes to his own hastened demise.

Hope that makes sense.:)

So... a St. Benard coming to my rescue isn't necessarily a good thing?

Hardcore Texan
04-15-2010, 04:06 PM
Hookem and Hardcore (and anyone else interested in the relationship between blood pressure and alcohol intake), this LINK (http://www.jrussellshealth.org/alcbpt.html) will summarize a significant portion of the relevant medical literature in fairly simple terms. It should answer many of your questions.


From the link:

Chronic (regular) alcohol consumption can lead to high blood pressure/hypertension. In fact, it is the third largest cause of high blood pressure, even more than smoking!
{“What are some of the impacts of alcohol on society?” www.fact-index.com, 2004}


Hypertension increases the risk and severity of impotence.
{Journal of Urology, Oct. 2000, in Washington Post Health, Oct. 10, 2000}

:yikes:

But back to being serious, that is a lot of good info CND and some I didn't want to hear like moderate consumption can still jack you up, thanks for the link.

disaacks3
04-15-2010, 05:40 PM
So... a St. Benard coming to my rescue isn't necessarily a good thing? Depends if he is well-fed or not. You can get 10 good meals if he's full grown! mmmmmm

CloakNNNdagger
04-15-2010, 07:03 PM
The saga continues. This morning, due to Joe's scheduled 1st phase stress test, his morning blood pressure med was delayed, resulting in an acute pressure spike to ~180/100. Understandably, that didn't help his headache any. Subsequently, during the day, he had a couple of readings around 145-150. Just a while ago, he returned from the 2nd phase stress test. Results will not be formally be interpretted until tomorrow. There is also a possible groin local bleed that occured during his spikes. This is at the previous site of insertion of the line used to perform the angiogram. This may require, prior to discharge, a minor procedure to repair the "leak." Obviously, more time is needed to fully control Joe's blood pressure. Meanwhile, after his long day, he is now sleeping.

JB
04-15-2010, 07:17 PM
Thanks for the update! Will continue the prayers for Joe and his family. Is this somewhat unusual? An effect of having high blood pressure for to long? I have not heard of this happening before, even though I know quite of people that have had angiograms and stent implants.

Tedc
04-15-2010, 07:24 PM
I'll be happy to take all you guys BP, but, not after a night out with Bill and Hobie!!:)

Yeah, the last time that happened they were flying and VY had to hide his sausage.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Tedc/billandHobieflying.jpg

Hardcore Texan
04-15-2010, 07:33 PM
Thanks for the update! Will continue the prayers for Joe and his family. Is this somewhat unusual? An effect of having high blood pressure for to long? I have not heard of this happening before, even though I know quite of people that have had angiograms and stent implants.

I think, going by the link CND provided above, that hypertension in general can be BIG contributing factor to strokes and cardiovasculuar disease. The more prolonged, the higher the risk I believe......at least from what I have read and recall.


Thanks for the updates! Keep progressing Joe!

JB
04-15-2010, 07:39 PM
Yeah, the last time that happened they were flying and VY had to hide his sausage.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Tedc/billandHobieflying.jpg

That is Hilarious! Rep

CloakNNNdagger
04-15-2010, 09:00 PM
Thanks for the update! Will continue the prayers for Joe and his family. Is this somewhat unusual? An effect of having high blood pressure for to long? I have not heard of this happening before, even though I know quite of people that have had angiograms and stent implants.

When angiograms or other arteriograms are performed or stents are placed, it requires an entry puncture of a large artery. It takes a certain amount of time to securely self-seal. If during that time, there is a spike in blood pressure, it can break the weak seal, and blood will escape creating a blood pocket around the artery. Sometimes the pocket needsto be drained, and sometimes, the puncture wound requires formal suture repair to try to avoid a rebleed. Unfortunately, this problem is not that unusual if the blood pressure significantly spikes close to the time of the procedure.

JB
04-15-2010, 09:12 PM
When angiograms or other arteriograms are performed or stents are placed, it requires an entry puncture of a large artery. It takes a certain amount of time to securely self-seal. If during that time, there is a spike in blood pressure, it can break the weak seal, and blood will escape creating a blood pocket around the artery. Sometimes the pocket needsto be drained, and sometimes, the puncture wound requires formal suture repair to try to avoid a rebleed. Unfortunately, this problem is not that unusual if the blood pressure significantly spikes close to the time of the procedure.

Ok, I can understand this. Does this happen frequently? It sems awfully scary to me.

Texan_Bill
04-15-2010, 09:20 PM
I'll be happy to take all you guys BP, but, not after a night out with Bill and Hobie!!:)

:foottap: That's when I'm at best.... 172/111. That's awesome! :gun:

Actually Gma, I check myself every Saturday at my grocery store. I've gotten the BP down to (on average) 117/77... The lost 40+/- lbs. have helped. :)

Texan_Bill
04-15-2010, 09:22 PM
When angiograms or other arteriograms are performed or stents are placed, it requires an entry puncture of a large artery. It takes a certain amount of time to securely self-seal. If during that time, there is a spike in blood pressure, it can break the weak seal, and blood will escape creating a blood pocket around the artery. Sometimes the pocket needsto be drained, and sometimes, the puncture wound requires formal suture repair to try to avoid a rebleed. Unfortunately, this problem is not that unusual if the blood pressure significantly spikes close to the time of the procedure.

I lived this a few years ago with my mother. Not many people here knew, cause I kept it relatively quiet.

JB
04-15-2010, 09:24 PM
I lived this a few years ago with my mother. Not many people here knew, cause I kept it relatively quiet.

I feel for ya! How did you cope?

I always tend to freak out and assume it is worse than it really is.

Texan_Bill
04-15-2010, 09:34 PM
Yeah, the last time that happened they were flying and VY had to hide his sausage.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Tedc/billandHobieflying.jpg

Bastard!!!!!

Texan_Bill
04-15-2010, 09:37 PM
I feel for ya! How did you cope?

I always tend to freak out and assume it is worse than it really is.

My advice to myself was to start drinking heavily... :cool:

CloakNNNdagger
04-15-2010, 09:40 PM
I lived this a few years ago with my mother. Not many people here knew, cause I kept it relatively quiet.

Ok, I can understand this. Does this happen frequently? It sems awfully scary to me.

It can be reported anywhere from 2-5% of these type of procedures.

CloakNNNdagger
04-15-2010, 09:42 PM
My advice to myself was to start drinking heavily... :cool:

My advice to you is fire your doctor.:winky:

Texan_Bill
04-15-2010, 09:46 PM
My advice to you is fire your doctor.:winky:

You're FIRED!!!! ;) J/K

Okay, so trying to set my broken hand - myself didn't work out so well.... I fire me.

JB
04-15-2010, 09:58 PM
My advice to myself was to start drinking heavily... :cool:

I followed this advice and it seems to work admirably well. My wife may disagree though. **** it!

Texan_Bill
04-15-2010, 10:21 PM
I followed this advice and it seems to work admirably well. My wife may disagree though. **** it!

My ex wasn't real fond of this approach either. :cool:

JB
04-15-2010, 10:33 PM
My ex wasn't real fond of this approach either. :cool:

And if it wasn't for A-1. could the relationship continue in a cordial manner?

****, I think I'm drunk!

Texan_Bill
04-15-2010, 10:36 PM
And if it wasn't for A-1. could the relationship continue in a cordial manner?

****, I think I'm drunk!

I'm sorta there after the crawfish boil, but yeah, it would've been relatively cool between us if not for the A-1.

CloakNNNdagger
04-16-2010, 12:16 PM
It is good to report JOE IS GOING HOME TODAY!

His stress test results came out satisfactorily. His blood pressure has remained stable. The groin bleed has not extended and will most probably resolve on its own. Yesterday's excruciating pain in the head has returned to being more of a pain in the butt.

As Joe has found out, a hospital may be a nice place to "visit" (when you need it), but you certainly don't want to permanently pitch tent there...............or visit too often. [A message for all of us to take care of ourselves, and to never take our health for granted.]

GuerillaBlack
04-16-2010, 12:18 PM
:D

Good to hear.

Honoring Earl 34
04-16-2010, 12:33 PM
It is good to report JOE IS GOING HOME TODAY!

His stress test results came out satisfactorily. His blood pressure has remained stable. The groin bleed has not extended and will most probably resolve on its own. Yesterday's excruciating pain in the head has returned to being more of a pain in the butt.

As Joe has found out, a hospital may be a nice place to "visit" (when you need it), but you certainly don't want to permanently pitch tent there...............or visit too often. [A message for all of us to take care of ourselves, and to never take our health for granted.]

Yep ... Joe's really paid a price to make us realize we aren't bullet proof ( not that we ever were ) anymore . So if something good comes out of Joe's ordeal , it's that we need to heed the warnings so that way we can all grow old .

Take care Joe .

JB
04-16-2010, 12:38 PM
It is good to report JOE IS GOING HOME TODAY!

His stress test results came out satisfactorily. His blood pressure has remained stable. The groin bleed has not extended and will most probably resolve on its own. Yesterday's excruciating pain in the head has returned to being more of a pain in the butt.

As Joe has found out, a hospital may be a nice place to "visit" (when you need it), but you certainly don't want to permanently pitch tent there...............or visit too often. [A message for all of us to take care of ourselves, and to never take our health for granted.]

That is great news! Thanks for all your updates and info.

disaacks3
04-16-2010, 01:20 PM
GREAT News!! I just don't want to see him partying too hard at the draft party.

Hardcore Texan
04-16-2010, 01:32 PM
Great news.