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m5kwatts
04-05-2010, 07:19 PM
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Filed to ESPN: Former Cardinals kicker Neil Rackers reached agreement Monday night with the Houston Texans on a two-year contract.

Texans keeping Kris Brown and will have an open competition this summer. Brown vs. Neil Rackers. Best kicker gets job.

gary
04-05-2010, 07:21 PM
At least its a start.

Goldensilence
04-05-2010, 07:21 PM
Wow.

Kubiak was actually serious about bringing in competition this year for kicker.

Thank the football gods.

Allstar
04-05-2010, 07:22 PM
:cool:

At the very least, they're admitting that Brown has issues.

stingray
04-05-2010, 07:23 PM
Good move. I think Kris is gone...

Section516
04-05-2010, 07:23 PM
Hmm. Cool. But didn't he choke pretty big?

stingray
04-05-2010, 07:26 PM
He made 94% of his field goals last year. Kris made 77%.

kiwitexansfan
04-05-2010, 07:27 PM
Has at times been one of the best in the business.

Great competition for Brown.

Kaiser Toro
04-05-2010, 07:27 PM
Quality signing, about time we have some competition at PK.

stingray
04-05-2010, 07:27 PM
You can take fg kicker off the draft list now.

thunderkyss
04-05-2010, 07:28 PM
Two years? Brown better get his shiznitz together, or he's gone.

I'll be pissed if we go in to 2010 with 2 kickers.

Fred
04-05-2010, 07:30 PM
He made 94% of his field goals last year. Kris made 77%.

Less than 100%? Not good enough for most of the posters on this board.

Mailman
04-05-2010, 07:30 PM
And all you Kubiak bashers can stfu now about him not holding players accountable.

JB
04-05-2010, 07:31 PM
He made 94% of his field goals last year. Kris made 77%.

Yep only missed one last year during the regular season... from between 40-49 yards.

Missed 2 of 3 in post-season. 1 from 30-39 yards against GB. One from over 50 against NO.

Dude has pretty much been money for the last couple of years.


But, he only has a career % of 78.2

Compared to KB's career % of 77.3

Goatcheese
04-05-2010, 07:32 PM
Good signing IMO.

Rackers is 41 of 45(91.1%) with 1 block in his last two seasons
Brown is 50 of 65(76.9%) with 4 blocks in his last two seasons

kiwitexansfan
04-05-2010, 07:33 PM
Schefter on his twitter feed called them both Shank-a-holics.

I think that is a bit rough on Rackers.

Heath Shuler
04-05-2010, 07:34 PM
great news

JB
04-05-2010, 07:36 PM
Schefter on his twitter feed called them both Shank-a-holics.

I think that is a bit rough on Rackers.

that did not show up on my twitter

kiwitexansfan
04-05-2010, 07:37 PM
Just checked in on the Cardinals message board.

There are those who are definitely Pro-Rackers, some who are glad to see him go because of his lack of clutch. However there is much more love for him there than for Kris Brown here.

One thing I did notice is that he gets a decent amount of touchbacks on his kick offs too which is nice to have.

stingray
04-05-2010, 07:38 PM
Schefter on his twitter feed called them both Shank-a-holics.

I think that is a bit rough on Rackers.

He got that line from the E-trade baby, but the baby used "shankapottamus." Anyway, not original.

JB
04-05-2010, 07:38 PM
Texans gave Neil Rackers a two-year, $4.1 million deal that includes $350,000 guaranteed. But he'll have to win job to earn his money.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

kiwitexansfan
04-05-2010, 07:39 PM
that did not show up on my twitter

It was on the twitter google feed.... maybe it was someone responding to the Schefter. Sorry if I misled, trying to get a good feel for exactly what we've got in Rackers.

stingray
04-05-2010, 07:39 PM
Just checked in on the Cardinals message board.

There are those who are definitely Pro-Rackers, some who are glad to see him go because of his lack of clutch. However there is much more love for him there than for Kris Brown here.

One thing I did notice is that he gets a decent amount of touchbacks on his kick offs too which is nice to have.

They got Jay Feely now from the Jets. Pretty good kicker in his own right.

gary
04-05-2010, 07:42 PM
I do not recall many clutch kickers in the NFL anymore. Is it just me?

Mailman
04-05-2010, 07:48 PM
I do not recall many clutch kickers in the NFL anymore. Is it just me?

Vinatieri?

eriadoc
04-05-2010, 07:50 PM
I am a happy Texans fan now. Not because Rackers is necessarily better than Brown, as they are both very up or down, but because the Texans recognized a problem and made a quality move to address it. No matter who wins the job in camp, I'm behind the team for meaningfully addressing the problem.

gary
04-05-2010, 07:51 PM
Vinatieri?There are a couple but not a lot these days.

JB
04-05-2010, 07:52 PM
I am a happy Texans fan now. Not because Rackers is necessarily better than Brown, as they are both very up or down, but because the Texans recognized a problem and made a quality move to address it. No matter who wins the job in camp, I'm behind the team for meaningfully addressing the problem.

Damn well said. There ain't no sitting on maybe's and past accomplishments.
Do it right or get!

awtysst
04-05-2010, 07:53 PM
Rackers stats for his career:
2000:12/21=57.1%
2001: 17/28=60.7%
2002:15/18=83.3%
2003: 9/12=75%
2004: 22/29=75.9%
2005:40/42=95.2%
2006:28/37=75.7%
2007:21/30=70.0%
2008:25/28=89.3%
2009:16/17=94.1%
Career: 205/262=78.2%

5/10 years he was above 80%

Now compare to Scapegoat Brown.
1999:25/29=86.2%
2000:25/30=83.3%
2001: 30/44=68.2%
2002:17/24=70.8%
2003: 18/22=81.8%
2004: 17/24=70.8%
2005:26/34=76.5%
2006:19/25=76.0%
2007:25/29=86.2%
2008:29/33=87.9%
2009:21/32=65.6%
Career=252/326=77.3%
5/11 years above 80%

Clearly we do not know the distances they made/ missed from and I am not gonna look into it across their careers. Also we see that Rackers has attempted a lot fewer kicks. Still over their careers they are pretty similar in career kicking % (78.2% vs 77.3%). You can also say that Rackers may have gotten better as his career progressed whereas Brown goes through hot/cold seasons.

Overall the two seem pretty similar on paper. I am all for giving Kris Brown competition, but lets not get our hopes too high here. Games are won and lost on fgs. If Rackers was REALLY good, why wouldn't Arizona want to keep him?

eriadoc
04-05-2010, 07:55 PM
Overall the two seem pretty similar on paper. I am all for giving Kris Brown competition, but lets not get our hopes too high here. Games are won and lost on fgs. If Rackers was REALLY good, why wouldn't Arizona want to keep him?

The same reason Pittsburgh let Kris Brown go in the expansion draft?

Runner
04-05-2010, 07:56 PM
Finally. This problem needed to be addressed since about the 3/4 mark of last season. This signifies we will see a real competition for the spot.

Mailman
04-05-2010, 07:58 PM
If Rackers was REALLY good, why wouldn't Arizona want to keep him?

Bernard Pollard, anyone?

JB
04-05-2010, 07:58 PM
Rackers stats for his career:
2000:12/21=57.1%
2001: 17/28=60.7%
2002:15/18=83.3%
2003: 9/12=75%
2004: 22/29=75.9%
2005:40/42=95.2%
2006:28/37=75.7%
2007:21/30=70.0%
2008:25/28=89.3%
2009:16/17=94.1%
Career: 205/262=78.2%

5/10 years he was above 80%

Now compare to Scapegoat Brown.
1999:25/29=86.2%
2000:25/30=83.3%
2001: 30/44=68.2%
2002:17/24=70.8%
2003: 18/22=81.8%
2004: 17/24=70.8%
2005:26/34=76.5%
2006:19/25=76.0%
2007:25/29=86.2%
2008:29/33=87.9%
2009:21/32=65.6%
Career=252/326=77.3%
5/11 years above 80%

Clearly we do not know the distances they made/ missed from and I am not gonna look into it across their careers. Also we see that Rackers has attempted a lot fewer kicks. Still over their careers they are pretty similar in career kicking % (78.2% vs 77.3%). You can also say that Rackers may have gotten better as his career progressed whereas Brown goes through hot/cold seasons.

Overall the two seem pretty similar on paper. I am all for giving Kris Brown competition, but lets not get our hopes too high here. Games are won and lost on fgs. If Rackers was REALLY good, why wouldn't Arizona want to keep him?

Because they needed a scapegoat. His two missed attempts against NO had no bearing on that game at all. But, they were misses.

stingray
04-05-2010, 07:59 PM
I just looked up his range. Rackers is dreadful from 50 yards or longer but deadly from 49 or shorter.

HoustonFrog
04-05-2010, 08:02 PM
Quality signing, about time we have some competition at PK.

Now THAT is a move I like. About time they bring in some comp. I like Rackers to fight for it too.

JB
04-05-2010, 08:03 PM
I just looked up his range. Rackers is dreadful from 50 yards or longer but deadly from 49 or shorter.

Yep, 19 of 39 of 50+

Career under 50 yds is 83%

NitroGSXR
04-05-2010, 08:03 PM
Hmm. Ok?

I was kinda hoping we'd bring in somebody in the draft. I'm ready to solidify the K position on the cheap. 2 million per is a lot of money for a 78% career kicker.

It's like the Matrix. Take the red or blue but in this case, they're both the same color.

Carr Bombed
04-05-2010, 08:03 PM
I just looked up his range. Rackers is dreadful from 50 yards or longer but deadly from 49 or shorter.

Well since most of our drives stall out inside the 20......give me the guy who's better from 45 on in.

JB
04-05-2010, 08:04 PM
Hmm. Ok?

I was kinda hoping we'd bring in somebody in the draft. I'm ready to solidify the K position on the cheap. 2 million per is a lot of money for a 78% career kicker.

It's like the Matrix. Take the red or blue but in this case, they're both the same color.

Is that the Matrix or Soylent Green?

stingray
04-05-2010, 08:06 PM
Yep, 19 of 39 of 50+

Career under 50 yds is 83%

And 1 of his last 8 past 50. He hit many from earlier in his career but he couldn't hit them lately and the Cards hardly ever gave him than chance anymore.

eriadoc
04-05-2010, 08:06 PM
I just looked up his range. Rackers is dreadful from 50 yards or longer but deadly from 49 or shorter.

Which is funny, because I had him on my fantasy team one year and he won a bunch of games for me with his 50+ kicks. Then the next year, he sucked.

Texanmike02
04-05-2010, 08:09 PM
And all you Kubiak bashers can stfu now about him not holding players accountable.

Does someone who's chosen the name MAILMAN get a say in anything Houston?

Mike

Texan_Bill
04-05-2010, 08:13 PM
I just looked up his range. Rackers is dreadful from 50 yards or longer but deadly from 49 or shorter.

Well yeah, except for that 32 yarder he missed in OT v. SF. :spin:

JB
04-05-2010, 08:16 PM
Well yeah, except for that 32 yarder he missed in OT v. SF. :spin:

You must be thinking against GB in the playoffs. He did not miss against SF this year.

Texan_Bill
04-05-2010, 08:20 PM
You must be thinking against GB in the playoffs. He did not miss against SF this year.

Nope... Different choke job. The 32 yard, OT choke I was referring to was against SF a couple of years ago.

BSofA04
04-05-2010, 08:20 PM
I'm pulling for Kris to get out of his funk and get back to his 2008 form. Let's hope that 2009 was just a bad season and in 2010 he'll revert to his old form. He needs to gain his teammates confidence back.

JB
04-05-2010, 08:21 PM
Nope... Different choke job. The 32 yard, OT choke I was referring to was against SF a couple of years ago.

Ok, I misunderstood. Just goes to show ya, we all f**ck up now & then

Errant Hothy
04-05-2010, 08:21 PM
At least its a start.

This, and I really don't care about Rackers accuracy past 50 yards. Kris is not being challenged becasue he lacks range, he's going through another Knoblauch moment.

redwhiteANDblue
04-05-2010, 08:21 PM
We shouldnt mark off picking a kicker in the draft though

HoustonFrog
04-05-2010, 08:26 PM
And all you Kubiak bashers can stfu now about him not holding players accountable.

Pretty much unncecessary but typical. Also a 1/4 season late... and it would have been completely a Fail not to bring in competition. Not a tough decision. Those are made during the season. Love the move though.

kiwitexansfan
04-05-2010, 08:26 PM
Kicking is about 95% mental in the NFL, especially inside 50.

If either of these guys is mentally solid they will provide a good weapon for the team.

Bad part of this is that you will probably not see the mental cracks till the regular season kicks in.

Mailman
04-05-2010, 08:29 PM
Does someone who's chosen the name MAILMAN get a say in anything Houston?

Mike

Considering that I'm older than you and have been a Houston diehard for longer than you, yes. FYI my moniker has nothing to do with Karl Malone. In fact, it's completely random. The accompanying photo came well after my registration here. Don't draw any conclusions from it.

NitroGSXR
04-05-2010, 08:31 PM
Is that the Matrix or Soylent Green?

Soylent Green's wayyyyy before my time. I've never seen it mainly because I've not seen a version that's closed captioned.

Do I have the pill colors mixed up?

Fine, let's go the Lethal Weapon method...

I thought you were gonna cut the red wire!
Well I did. Didn't I?
No! You cut the blue wire!
Well I meant the red wire.
7 days to retirement, and I'm busted down to patrolman.
I should have cut the red wire.
You did cut the red wire!
No I didn't, I cut the blue wire.

Classic. Anyway... this is Rackers and Brown. You're f'ed either way.

ArlingtonTexan
04-05-2010, 08:37 PM
We shouldnt mark off picking a kicker in the draft though

That is exactly what the Texans did, so why would any one else not do the same?

GP
04-05-2010, 08:40 PM
Considering that I'm older than you and have been a Houston diehard for longer than you, yes. FYI my moniker has nothing to do with Karl Malone. In fact, it's completely random. The accompanying photo came well after my registration here. Don't draw any conclusions from it.

Don't draw any conclusions from it?

Umm...OK. Your name was Mailman, then you add an avatar of (drum roll, please) Karl Malone. I'd say you might want to put up an avatar of the mailman from Mr. Rogers Neighborhood if you don't want to get ragged by Houston pro sports fans on here. I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin....

Back on topic:

This is really frustrating. We are now the team that makes moves way past due. All this tells me is that they wanted to add competition back when Kris was bombing out in the regular season, solidifying our exit out of playoff contention.

But they didn't want to (a) crush poor Kris Brown's spirit, and/or (b) didn't want to add a kicker until the off-season due to several reasons.

I'm very reactionary. If I see something going wrong, I tend to try and address it quickly instead of waiting. If I were a GM or coach, I would have cut Chris Brown (the running back) and added another kicker (even if it was some dude off the street). Because Chris Brown the RB sucked, and adding a kicker would force one of them to clutch up and win the job.

Without competition, you're going to begin to slide. It's natural.

Having said all that, I am glad we nabbed Rackers. Didn't he and Kris have a fake duel on one of the Fantasy Football Draft File commercials?

FirstTexansFan
04-05-2010, 08:41 PM
Considering that I'm older than you and have been a Houston diehard for longer than you, yes. FYI my moniker has nothing to do with Karl Malone. In fact, it's completely random. The accompanying photo came well after my registration here. Don't draw any conclusions from it.

Dad? Least that's what the guy that raised me said.. :)

Mailman
04-05-2010, 08:49 PM
Don't draw any conclusions from it?

Umm...OK. Your name was Mailman, then you add an avatar of (drum roll, please) Karl Malone.

Um, as if the ridiculous photo shouldn't clue you in, surely you'd be able to figure it out by the text beneath my username. Or do I give you too much credit?

Texan_Bill
04-05-2010, 08:57 PM
Um, as if the ridiculous photo shouldn't clue you in, surely you'd be able to figure it out by the text beneath my username. Or do I give you too much credit?

I think some people miss the "Pwned by Hakeem" right under your user name.

NitroGSXR
04-05-2010, 09:00 PM
Um, as if the ridiculous photo shouldn't clue you in, surely you'd be able to figure it out by the text beneath my username. Or do I give you too much credit?

I realize you're responding to GP but you're definitely giving me too much credit. I'm not big on reading fine print myself. I thought you were a big Malone fan. Especially because of the strange picture. I just figgured you as a... each to their own... kinda guy.

Just sayin'...

CloakNNNdagger
04-05-2010, 09:00 PM
Funny how the Texans opening preseason game is against Arizona.:pop:

Thorn
04-05-2010, 09:07 PM
Awesome. Letís bring in some competition. To bad the competition isnít much better than what we already have. Rackers, on paper, looks pretty much like what we already got.

But it is a step in the right direction, have to give them credit for that. And Rackers is a cool name. Think of the fun we can have with that name. LOL

JB
04-05-2010, 09:12 PM
Don't draw any conclusions from it?

Umm...OK. Your name was Mailman, then you add an avatar of (drum roll, please) Karl Malone. I'd say you might want to put up an avatar of the mailman from Mr. Rogers Neighborhood if you don't want to get ragged by Houston pro sports fans on here. I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin....

Back on topic:

This is really frustrating. We are now the team that makes moves way past due. All this tells me is that they wanted to add competition back when Kris was bombing out in the regular season, solidifying our exit out of playoff contention.

But they didn't want to (a) crush poor Kris Brown's spirit, and/or (b) didn't want to add a kicker until the off-season due to several reasons.

I'm very reactionary. If I see something going wrong, I tend to try and address it quickly instead of waiting. If I were a GM or coach, I would have cut Chris Brown (the running back) and added another kicker (even if it was some dude off the street). Because Chris Brown the RB sucked, and adding a kicker would force one of them to clutch up and win the job.
Without competition, you're going to begin to slide. It's natural.

Having said all that, I am glad we nabbed Rackers. Didn't he and Kris have a fake duel on one of the Fantasy Football Draft File commercials?


I'm sorry dude, but this makes absolutely no sense to me! You would cut a Rb to force a kicker to do w better job? WTF?

NitroGSXR
04-05-2010, 09:20 PM
I'm sorry dude, but this makes absolutely no sense to me! You would cut a Rb to force a kicker to do w better job? WTF?

Chris Brown was a waste of roster space. Yeah, I agree with GP. Push somebody. There's competition at RB but none at kicker.

Norg
04-05-2010, 09:22 PM
Good sign IMO get some compention for brown but when it's all said a done let's just cut brown and at least let someone else have q chance to be clutch or fail for us

JB
04-05-2010, 09:23 PM
Chris Brown was a waste of roster space. Yeah, I agree with GP. Push somebody. There's competition at RB but none at kicker.

OK. I can understand that. I just did not understand what he was saying I guess.

wagonhed
04-05-2010, 09:32 PM
Am I the only one that couldn't care less about FGs of less than about, oh, 42 yards? I really don't care if he is 50% past that, as long as he makes the short kicks.

Hoss
04-05-2010, 09:38 PM
Hell yeah i like Rackers when he was on the Cards squad...

Texan_Bill
04-05-2010, 09:43 PM
Awesome. Letís bring in some competition. To bad the competition isnít much better than what we already have. Rackers, on paper, looks pretty much like what we already got.

But it is a step in the right direction, have to give them credit for that. And Rackers is a cool name. Think of the fun we can have with that name. LOL

Spot on, you drunk sumbitch.. :kitten:

Dash
04-05-2010, 09:43 PM
Good move by the front office. My faith in them is somewhat restored for the time being.

Texan_Bill
04-05-2010, 09:44 PM
Chris Brown was a waste of roster space. Yeah, I agree with GP. Push somebody. There's competition at RB but none at kicker.

No one is arguing about Chris Brown, we're talking about Kris Brown... ;)

Hoss
04-05-2010, 09:56 PM
Good move by the front office. My faith in them is somewhat restored for the time being.
Welcome Dash good to have you here you here....

Hoss
04-05-2010, 09:58 PM
and rackers is a cool name. Think of the fun we can have with that name. Lol

rack em!

JB
04-05-2010, 10:06 PM
rack em!

This is where I need a smiley of Lurch slowly shaking his head saying nuhh

Dash
04-05-2010, 10:10 PM
Welcome Dash good to have you here you here....

Thanks for the welcome. Glad to be on board. :)

NitroGSXR
04-05-2010, 10:11 PM
No one is arguing about Chris Brown, we're talking about Kris Brown... ;)

Re-read GP's post. Post #55. 6th GP-style paragraph.

Cutting Chris Brown the RB and using his roster spot to sign a kicker to push Kris Brown.

;) backatcha.

El Tejano
04-05-2010, 10:17 PM
And Rackers is a cool name. Think of the fun we can have with that name. LOL

Oh I'm sure many will spell his name Raccers or Rakkers.

GP
04-05-2010, 10:35 PM
Um, as if the ridiculous photo shouldn't clue you in, surely you'd be able to figure it out by the text beneath my username. Or do I give you too much credit?

Yeah, I think people tend to look at the user name, then the avatar, and the little text beneath all of it is an afterthought. Heck, a lot of times we're looking strictly at the avatar picture and know right away who it is.

I don't know people by the little text that's third on the list of identifier.

Why didn't you use something less Karl Malone'ish, like this:

http://www.greenandcleanmom.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mcfeely.jpg

I would immediately know it is Mailman, and there would be no uncomfortable Karl Malone, Utah Jazz imagery floating around in my head. Plus, I would have to say that the Jazz pwned us about 98% of the time. We could never solve the Malone-Stockton puzzle. I don't think Hakeem pwned Malone.

I know a few guys on here who would rep you BIG TIME if you used this one:

http://www.thewb.com/blog/files/2008/10/mail.jpg

GP
04-05-2010, 10:44 PM
Re-read GP's post. Post #55. 6th GP-style paragraph.

Cutting Chris Brown the RB and using his roster spot to sign a kicker to push Kris Brown.

;) backatcha.

My thought was that we could cut someone and open up a roster spot for an additional kicker. Bench Kris Brown for the next game or two, to help him get over the shell shock, and see what someone else can do.

This does several things:

1. Forces Kris to cool his jets, sit down and chill out for awhile

2. Gives someone a chance to come in and nail some kicks, possibly setting up a training camp showdown in 2010

3. Pushes Kris to be ready if-and-when the new guy shanks one. In comes Kris, and he now has something to fight for. He now HAS to make kicks in order to win the spot back.

I think this would have worked in our favor. Either way, you're signaling that you have grace for the occasional botched kick, but too many of them will open it up for competition. I could see Kris possibly getting back on track even before the end of this past season if we had brought someone in.

Oh well. Better late than never.

JB
04-05-2010, 10:46 PM
My thought was that we could cut someone and open up a roster spot for an additional kicker. Bench Kris Brown for the next game or two, to help him get over the shell shock, and see what someone else can do.

This does several things:

1. Forces Kris to cool his jets, sit down and chill out for awhile

2. Gives someone a chance to come in and nail some kicks, possibly setting up a training camp showdown in 2010

3. Pushes Kris to be ready if-and-when the new guy shanks one. In comes Kris, and he now has something to fight for. He now HAS to make kicks in order to win the spot back.

I think this would have worked in our favor. Either way, you're signaling that you have grace for the occasional botched kick, but too many of them will open it up for competition. I could see Kris possibly getting back on track even before the end of this past season if we had brought someone in.

Oh well. Better late than never.

Plus, it also gets CB off the roster!

TheRealJoker
04-05-2010, 10:50 PM
I'm no expert on kickers but it seems like Rackers problem is he doesn't have the leg to boot the 50+ yard FGs, but he has the mental makeup to make the FGs inside 50 yards consistently.

Kris Brown on the other hand, can boot 3 54+ yard FGs in a single game including the 57 yard gamewinner (remember the game we barely squeaked out against the 1-15 07 Dolophins?) but he can't consistently hit FGs inside the 50 (looking at you Colts/Tacks back to back chokejobs inside 50 yards).

Good signing and may the best man win. I'm leaning towards Rackers just because I think the clutch kicks we'll need to be making will be between 35-40 yards given our ability to get yards with the quickness. I think Rackers is the better fit for what we need. We don't need a kicker that can boot the 57 yarder (although its nice), but we need someone who can clean up after our finesse offense after we stall out in the redzone.

GP
04-05-2010, 10:54 PM
I'm no expert on kickers but it seems like Rackers problem is he doesn't have the leg to boot the 50+ yard FGs, but he has the mental makeup to make the FGs inside 50 yards consistently.

Kris Brown on the other hand, can boot 3 54+ yard FGs in a single game including the 57 yard gamewinner (remember the game we barely squeaked out against the 1-15 07 Dolophins?) but he can't consistently hit FGs inside the 50 (looking at you Colts/Tacks back to back chokejobs inside 50 yards).

Good signing and may the best man win. I'm leaning towards Rackers just because I think the clutch kicks we'll need to be making will be between 35-40 yards given our ability to get yards with the quickness. I think Rackers is the better fit for what we need. We don't need a kicker that can boot the 57 yarder (although its nice), but we need someone who can clean up after our finesse offense after we stall out in the redzone.

I noticed at the end of this past season, that Kris Brown seemed to be trying to swerve his kicks around, in an attempt to weave the football around the out-stretched arms/hands of the other team's special team guys.

It was coming off the ground VERY funky, and often was never drawing or fading back to where I think he had intended it to end up. In short: He was getting cute and trying to avoid getting it blocked.

I have a feeling Rackers is going to win the battle.

Jackie Chiles
04-05-2010, 10:56 PM
Good signing, at least Rackers has the decency to choke after a team makes the playoffs.

Light hearted jab aside I do believe this is an upgrade and I'm mildly pumped about this signing. I still have a hole in my wall courtesy of a Kris Brown kick (and my temper).

Ole Miss Texan
04-05-2010, 11:36 PM
Pretty much unncecessary but typical. Also a 1/4 season late... and it would have been completely a Fail not to bring in competition. Not a tough decision. Those are made during the season. Love the move though.
Maybe its a fine line, maybe there's a gray area.... but when will the moves the FO makes be acceptable to some? For example, this one with bringing in a veteran kicker and the one re-signing Demeco to a long term contract. I would say most of us fans wanted both to happen. And because of that do we just dismiss it from what the FO is doing? "FAIL" if they didn't and "Okay whatever, what's next?" if the do? I really feel like sometimes there are some posters on here that are so doom and gloom that if Kubiak & Smith made every single offseason move that they wanted the FO to make, it wouldn't be enough. We'd be hearing, so what... that's their job, they'd be epic failures if they didn't do this.

Not trying to put this on you Frog, it just brought up something I've been thinking about. Anyways back on topic, I like the move too. Veteran kicker to push Brown. Don't know who wins, I think it's open to who does the best.

Back off topic, I love the pictures I've seen of the TCU guys in the draft, like the one below:
Daryl Washington (http://www.themtn.tv/images/48766.jpg)

MannyFresh
04-06-2010, 12:43 AM
Good signing, that's using your dipstick Kubiak.

MannyFresh
04-06-2010, 12:47 AM
And all you Kubiak bashers can stfu now about him not holding players accountable.

'stfu'? Easy there tiger.

Brisco_County
04-06-2010, 01:35 AM
I'm wondering how competition on a quiet practice field reveals the mental toughness necessary to make game-deciding kicks in a rowdy stadium. I'm thinking that it doesn't.

JayCee
04-06-2010, 01:52 AM
I'm wondering how competition on a quiet practice field reveals the mental toughness necessary to make game-deciding kicks in a rowdy stadium. I'm thinking that it doesn't.
pressure will come from the potential loss of job

pbat488
04-06-2010, 01:55 AM
I'm wondering how competition on a quiet practice field reveals the mental toughness necessary to make game-deciding kicks in a rowdy stadium. I'm thinking that it doesn't.

whoever loses gets the piss knocked outta em by cushing and pollard...

Ole Miss Texan
04-06-2010, 01:59 AM
whoever loses gets the piss knocked outta em by cushing and pollard...
I think if Cushing just looked at me angrily I would unintentionally pee in my pants. In fact, I know I would.

buddyboy
04-06-2010, 02:08 AM
Maybe its a fine line, maybe there's a gray area.... but when will the moves the FO makes be acceptable to some? For example, this one with bringing in a veteran kicker and the one re-signing Demeco to a long term contract. I would say most of us fans wanted both to happen. And because of that do we just dismiss it from what the FO is doing? "FAIL" if they didn't and "Okay whatever, what's next?" if the do? I really feel like sometimes there are some posters on here that are so doom and gloom that if Kubiak & Smith made every single offseason move that they wanted the FO to make, it wouldn't be enough. We'd be hearing, so what... that's their job, they'd be epic failures if they didn't do this.

Not trying to put this on you Frog, it just brought up something I've been thinking about. Anyways back on topic, I like the move too. Veteran kicker to push Brown. Don't know who wins, I think it's open to who does the best.

Back off topic, I love the pictures I've seen of the TCU guys in the draft, like the one below:
Daryl Washington (http://www.themtn.tv/images/48766.jpg)

This.

People whine and moan about how incompetent the front office is. How McNair is too cheap to re-sign players who have earned the cash. We re-sign Demeco. People say "took em long enough".

People whine and moan about the Kicker position. People want the front office to sign competition for Kris Brown. The front office delivers. People say "should have been done mid-season" and "should have been through the draft".

C'mon guys. This offseason has been pretty good. Sure. We didn't go out and sign the biggest free agents. We lost Robinson. We re-signed the captain of the defense, a solid starting safety, and brought in competition for a weak point of our offense. If you nitpick at every tiny thing, obviously you'll find something to complain about.

Course, maybe that's all you want.

CloakNNNdagger
04-06-2010, 06:59 AM
This.

People whine and moan about how incompetent the front office is. How McNair is too cheap to re-sign players who have earned the cash. We re-sign Demeco. People say "took em long enough".

People whine and moan about the Kicker position. People want the front office to sign competition for Kris Brown. The front office delivers. People say "should have been done mid-season" and "should have been through the draft".

C'mon guys. This offseason has been pretty good. Sure. We didn't go out and sign the biggest free agents. We lost Robinson. We re-signed the captain of the defense, a solid starting safety, and brought in competition for a weak point of our offense. If you nitpick at every tiny thing, obviously you'll find something to complain about.

Course, maybe that's all you want.

All the re-signings should have been done. And the kicking problem should have been addressed, probably last year. These were not "genius" moves by any means. But our relative inactivity in the FA market (and even though the talent was somewhat lesser this year than past years, and certainly could have helped us), now leaves the heavy portion of the burden to find immediate team improvement through obtaining true starters virtually solely on the shoulders of the draft......a phenomenon which seldom occurs.

The front office has hit on some things. But it would be hard bent to say that many of the positives could not have been affected sooner, and the negatives also recognized and acted upon sooner.

TEXANS84
04-06-2010, 07:18 AM
I'm personally a little bit dissapointed.
I was hoping for Ochocinco as the kicking competition.

El Tejano
04-06-2010, 07:38 AM
What noone is speaking of is how in the world our FO got a veteran (former Pro Bowler) kicker to sign on the dotted line when there was a kicker already on the roster. That's pretty hard to do at any position.

Either Niel took a look at Kris and said 'Oh this is going to be easy' or the team convinced him that he could actually win the job.

I was hoping for some comp in camp for Kris and to me this says alot about Niel Rackers. He was a guy that made the Pro Bowl, had a struggling year and is going into a camp with a decent kicker already on the roster so that he can apply the pressure on himself and try to get better.

TimeKiller
04-06-2010, 07:45 AM
What can I say that hasn't already been said?

Here's to a season of no missed PATs!!!!!!!!!!!

HoustonFrog
04-06-2010, 08:06 AM
Maybe its a fine line, maybe there's a gray area.... but when will the moves the FO makes be acceptable to some? For example, this one with bringing in a veteran kicker and the one re-signing Demeco to a long term contract. I would say most of us fans wanted both to happen. And because of that do we just dismiss it from what the FO is doing? "FAIL" if they didn't and "Okay whatever, what's next?" if the do? I really feel like sometimes there are some posters on here that are so doom and gloom that if Kubiak & Smith made every single offseason move that they wanted the FO to make, it wouldn't be enough. We'd be hearing, so what... that's their job, they'd be epic failures if they didn't do this.

Not trying to put this on you Frog, it just brought up something I've been thinking about. Anyways back on topic, I like the move too. Veteran kicker to push Brown. Don't know who wins, I think it's open to who does the best.

Back off topic, I love the pictures I've seen of the TCU guys in the draft, like the one below:
Daryl Washington (http://www.themtn.tv/images/48766.jpg)

Nice pic. Love it!!Maybe a new avatar..but that would screw up the balance here..lol

Don't get me wrong on my comments. I didn't mean it as a slap at the team. I just hate when a move like this ends up being an affirmation of a position. I thought Mailman's comment was unnecessary and showed nothing since we needed a kicker last season. As I said, I like this move alot. I give them full credit. I just think it is a move that most teams would make after they witnessed last season's performance so it isn't an indictment or affirmation of a position. I think alot of people brought up last season because we didn't get a few posts into the thread without a "see Kubes is the man" taunt. My first post was excitement and then I saw response to Mailman. Honsetly, I'd still bring in a FA rookie of draft one on the 7th. Maybe Brown and Rackers have both lost it. Who knows. The more competition the better.

hobie
04-06-2010, 08:15 AM
Cannot and will not ever get stoked about a kicker.. period. Good for competition, but I can't get up on talk over a kicker.

No More 8-8's
04-06-2010, 08:20 AM
Good signing, at least Rackers has the decency to choke after a team makes the playoffs.

Light hearted jab aside I do believe this is an upgrade and I'm mildly pumped about this signing. I still have a hole in my wall courtesy of a Kris Brown kick (and my temper).

Man, I bet your house now looks like Swiss Cheese.

Goldensilence
04-06-2010, 09:11 AM
I'm no expert on kickers but it seems like Rackers problem is he doesn't have the leg to boot the 50+ yard FGs, but he has the mental makeup to make the FGs inside 50 yards consistently.

Kris Brown on the other hand, can boot 3 54+ yard FGs in a single game including the 57 yard gamewinner (remember the game we barely squeaked out against the 1-15 07 Dolophins?) but he can't consistently hit FGs inside the 50 (looking at you Colts/Tacks back to back chokejobs inside 50 yards).

Good signing and may the best man win. I'm leaning towards Rackers just because I think the clutch kicks we'll need to be making will be between 35-40 yards given our ability to get yards with the quickness. I think Rackers is the better fit for what we need. We don't need a kicker that can boot the 57 yarder (although its nice), but we need someone who can clean up after our finesse offense after we stall out in the redzone.

Excellent post. I agree.

All the re-signings should have been done. And the kicking problem should have been addressed, probably last year. These were not "genius" moves by any means. But our relative inactivity in the FA market (and even though the talent was somewhat lesser this year than past years, and certainly could have helped us), now leaves the heavy portion of the burden to find immediate team improvement through obtaining true starters virtually solely on the shoulders of the draft......a phenomenon which seldom occurs.

The front office has hit on some things. But it would be hard bent to say that many of the positives could not have been affected sooner, and the negatives also recognized and acted upon sooner.

Bingo.

To one guy it might be "bitching" to another it's a call to fix a problem that needs to be addressed.

At the rate we're going I guess we'll baby step our way into the playoffs, which I guess is better than not at all and I think some people have accepted this as a reality.

badboy
04-06-2010, 09:22 AM
Yep only missed one last year during the regular season... from between 40-49 yards.

Missed 2 of 3 in post-season. 1 from 30-39 yards against GB. One from over 50 against NO.

Dude has pretty much been money for the last couple of years.


But, he only has a career % of 78.2

Compared to KB's career % of 77.3My answer may be later in this thread but why is he a "former" Cardinal kicker? I am not getting too excited yet.

steelbtexan
04-06-2010, 09:41 AM
Pretty much unncecessary but typical. Also a 1/4 season late... and it would have been completely a Fail not to bring in competition. Not a tough decision. Those are made during the season. Love the move though.

This

disaacks3
04-06-2010, 09:42 AM
Awesome. Letís bring in some competition. To bad the competition isnít much better than what we already have. Rackers, on paper, looks pretty much like what we already got.

But it is a step in the right direction, have to give them credit for that. And Rackers is a cool name. Think of the fun we can have with that name. LOL

One kicker is coming of a career-BEST year, the other a career-WORST. Since the NFL is a "What have you done for me lately?" kind of league, how do they look the same on paper exactly? :thinking:

dalemurphy
04-06-2010, 09:52 AM
My answer may be later in this thread but why is he a "former" Cardinal kicker? I am not getting too excited yet.

Rackers is of similar age and has had a marginally better career. So, under normal circumstances he would be a slight improvement or maybe just a push. But, Kris Brown has lost the confidence of the team. There is nothing he can do before the season starts to repair that. It's simply impossible to have confidence that his yips won't reappear in a big game next year. So, he has to be replaced. Rackers is a good kicker. So, this is a monstrous upgrade!

CloakNNNdagger
04-06-2010, 10:00 AM
My answer may be later in this thread but why is he a "former" Cardinal kicker? I am not getting too excited yet.

Yes, he missed 2 important playoff Fgs. But, what most people don't realize is that late in the season, Rackers sustained and was playing with a strained hamstring/groin.

Thorn
04-06-2010, 10:10 AM
One kicker is coming of a career-BEST year, the other a career-WORST. Since the NFL is a "What have you done for me lately?" kind of league, how do they look the same on paper exactly? :thinking:

There's not a whole lot of difference in their over all records in the NFL. What either of them do this year will probably have nothing to do with their previous year, they both have had up and down years in their history. I see nothing to get either exicited or distressed about here.

badboy
04-06-2010, 10:46 AM
Yes, he missed 2 important playoff Fgs. But, what most people don't realize is that late in the season, Rackers sustained and was playing with a strained hamstring/groin.Thanks to you and DaleMurphy as i am unfamiliar with most kickers and punters in NFL. I really like Brown and hopes he comes out of this funk or whatever. How old is Rackers?

ArlingtonTexan
04-06-2010, 11:02 AM
Thanks to you and DaleMurphy as i am unfamiliar with most kickers and punters in NFL. I really like Brown and hopes he comes out of this funk or whatever. How old is Rackers?

31 years old

NitroGSXR
04-06-2010, 11:24 AM
What noone is speaking of is how in the world our FO got a veteran (former Pro Bowler) kicker to sign on the dotted line when there was a kicker already on the roster. That's pretty hard to do at any position.

Either Niel took a look at Kris and said 'Oh this is going to be easy' or the team convinced him that he could actually win the job.

I was hoping for some comp in camp for Kris and to me this says alot about Niel Rackers. He was a guy that made the Pro Bowl, had a struggling year and is going into a camp with a decent kicker already on the roster so that he can apply the pressure on himself and try to get better.

$350,000 just to come to training camp? This late in FA too... Doesn't seem that hard to sign on the dotted line, competition or not.

JWarren14
04-06-2010, 11:42 AM
Aaron Schatz of Football Insiders weighs in:

"The Houston kicker battle is pretty simple. It shouldn't be a battle, it should be a doctor's appointment. Research has shown that field goal percentage is almost entirely random from year to year; it's idiocy to pick a kicker based on what his field goal percentage was the year before. On the other hand, kickoff distance is one of the most consistent skills in football. Rackers has been one of the top kickoff men in the league for years, except for last year. Because of health issues, he was below average for the first time in 2009. Brown is a little above average on kickoffs, and always has been. If the Texans feel Rackers is fully healthy, he should be the choice. If he still has injury issues, then Brown should be the choice." - Aaron Schatz

Im glad there will be competition at this position where Kris has pretty much been da man. You either love kickers, or you hate them, but at the end of the day we need them.

HoustonFrog
04-06-2010, 11:43 AM
The reality here is that one guy wasn't getting paid and is coming in to prove himself. He gets paid and gets a shot(Rackers). Brown is coming off a horrible year and will have every missed kick and lost game from last year swirling in his head. It's human nature. I think from that standpoint it is advantage Rackers.

TexCanada
04-06-2010, 11:47 AM
Even if Kris Brown wins the job back then it is still an improvement. It will give him some confidence going into next season, along with some pressure to imoprove. I don't really care who wins the job, as long as they perform well next year.

GuerillaBlack
04-06-2010, 12:08 PM
Less than 100%? Not good enough for most of the posters on this board.

Well, at least it isn't as bad as Kris Brown's 77%. That was brutal this season.

Dutchrudder
04-06-2010, 12:59 PM
This is from the ESPN rumor page if anyone is interested:

Kicker fight in Houston
11:32AM ET
Neil Rackers | Cardinals


Recently, we considered the future of Neil Rackers, and we're not talking about flying around on hoverboards and wearing cool sunglasses, either. Rather, we meant the immediate future, kicking extra points and field goals in the NFL. Previous reports has the New York Jets and Baltimore Ravens interested.

But out of the blue, the Houston Texans -- themselves in the market for an upgrade over Kris Brown -- came in and snatched him off the shelf. According to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, Rackers is getting a deal for two years and $4.1 million, with $350,000 guaranteed. But, Schefter tweeted, he's going to have to win the position battle against Brown to get all that money.

Brown had some issues in 2009, converting just 65.6 percent of his field goals, down more than 20 percentage points from 2008. Rackers converted 94.1 percent of his field goal tries in 2009, but had health issues and missed an extra point (!!!) against the 49ers in Week 14, a devastating blow to his fantasy owners. Football Outsiders' main man Aaron Schatz e-mailed in with his take on the battle:


Football Outsiders
Health a bigger concern

"The Houston kicker battle is pretty simple. It shouldn't be a battle, it should be a doctor's appointment. Research has shown that field goal percentage is almost entirely random from year to year; it's idiocy to pick a kicker based on what his field goal percentage was the year before. On the other hand, kickoff distance is one of the most consistent skills in football. Rackers has been one of the top kickoff men in the league for years, except for last year. Because of health issues, he was below average for the first time in 2009. Brown is a little above average on kickoffs, and always has been. If the Texans feel Rackers is fully healthy, he should be the choice. If he still has injury issues, then Brown should be the choice." - Aaron Schatz



I have to agree with Aaron Schatz and say that Rackers is definitely the best option between the two, if he can stay healthy. Suppose Rackers does win the position outright during camp, what will the team do with Kris Brown? If they cut Brown they owe him ~6 million in an uncapped year, which isn't so bad, but if they could trade him... well that would be super! :D

TD
04-06-2010, 01:32 PM
Anybody know the last time Rackers even ATTEMPTED a 50 yard field goal? Made one? Made one before that?

Accurate yes, but giving up a TON of distance. Feely would have been much better.

HoustonFrog
04-06-2010, 01:43 PM
Anybody know the last time Rackers even ATTEMPTED a 50 yard field goal? Made one? Made one before that?

Accurate yes, but giving up a TON of distance. Feely would have been much better.

I'm not sure where Rackers not having a leg comes from. It isn't great but he has nice kickoffs...stronger than Brown..and before last season his stats looked like below on 50 yarders made. Last year he had injury issues. Career he is 19-39. So just below 50%. Percentage wise it isn't great. I mean it's seviceable from that distance, just loses some accuracy....but 55 is not exactly weak.

2004--9 made, long of 55
2005--7 made, long of 54
2006--7 made, long of 54
2007--9 made, long of 52
2008--2 made, long of 54
2009--0 made

Again, great for competition. Maybe the Texans brass feels that the offense moves the ball well enough that most attempts will be around the redzone so in that 37 in yardage.

TD
04-06-2010, 01:52 PM
I'm not sure where Rackers not having a leg comes from. It isn't great but he has nice kickoffs...stronger than Brown..and before last season his stats looked like below on 50 yarders made. Last year he had injury issues. Career he is 19-39. So just below 50%. I mean he is seviceable from that distance, just loses some accuracy....but 55 is not exactly weak.

2004--9 made, long of 55
2005--7 made, long of 54
2006--7 made, long of 54
2007--9 made, long of 52
2008--2 made, long of 54
2009--0 made

You don't know where it comes from?!?!?

From 50+ yards

2009 0-0
2008 1-2
2007 3-9
2006 1-7

Since Week 6 2007 he is 1 of 6 at 50+ yards. He hasn't even attempted a 50 yarder since Week 12 2008.

The field is at least 5 yards longer with him kicking, so he better be deadly accurate short to compensate.

eriadoc
04-06-2010, 01:56 PM
Well, at least it isn't as bad as Kris Brown's 77%. That was brutal this season.

KB did not hit 77% of his kicks this past season - he hit 65%.

Texan_Bill
04-06-2010, 01:58 PM
Cannot and will not ever get stoked about a kicker.. period. Good for competition, but I can't get up on talk over a kicker.

C'mon man!!!


http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0709/life_g_fritsch_576.jpg

El Tejano
04-06-2010, 02:05 PM
$350,000 just to come to training camp? This late in FA too... Doesn't seem that hard to sign on the dotted line, competition or not.

He met with The Jets before he met with us. They are a playoff team with a vacancy at kicker. How come he didn't sign with them?

TD
04-06-2010, 02:09 PM
C'mon man!!!

You C'mon...if you're going to pick a #16 kicker.

http://i38.tinypic.com/epheg7.gif

Texan_Bill
04-06-2010, 02:14 PM
You C'mon...if you're going to pick a #16 kicker.

http://i38.tinypic.com/epheg7.gif

Touche'!!! *bows head*

GP
04-06-2010, 02:23 PM
He met with The Jets before he met with us. They are a playoff team with a vacancy at kicker. How come he didn't sign with them?

I think we stole him when he was ON HIS WAY to meet with the Jets.

For one time, we hosed someone else in stealth-like fashion. For a kicker. LOL.

McNair is lethal like that.

hobie
04-06-2010, 02:30 PM
C'mon man!!!


http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0709/life_g_fritsch_576.jpg

Bro- that looks a lot like you did before you decided to drop the extra weight !! :texanbill:

Texan_Bill
04-06-2010, 02:30 PM
Well, for a kicker it's an easy decision.

Do I want to kick out in the elements, especially New York (or Baltimore which he had already visited) during the winter months or do I want to kick in the comfort of an indoor stadium with the smooth stylings of Clay Walker in the background. :thinking:

SheTexan
04-06-2010, 02:32 PM
Until our original Texan becomes an EX, I'll stick with my sig pic. We'll see what TC has to bring, but, if Kris still has IT he'll come out ahead in August. He had a bad year, and yes, we are all PO'd at him for the MNF miss especially, but, I'm not quiet ready to give up on him, esp for Rackers.

infantrycak
04-06-2010, 03:07 PM
but, I'm not quiet ready to give up on him, esp for Rackers.

Wait, have you ever been quiet?

NitroGSXR
04-06-2010, 03:22 PM
Wait, have you ever been quiet?

I've never heard a peep out of her...

*shruggs*

Texan_Bill
04-06-2010, 03:26 PM
I've never heard a peep out of her...

*shruggs*

:spit:

Nitro, you caught me waaaay off guard with that one.

HoustonFrog
04-06-2010, 03:40 PM
You don't know where it comes from?!?!?

From 50+ yards

2009 0-0
2008 1-2
2007 3-9
2006 1-7

Since Week 6 2007 he is 1 of 6 at 50+ yards. He hasn't even attempted a 50 yarder since Week 12 2008.

The field is at least 5 yards longer with him kicking, so he better be deadly accurate short to compensate.

Weak leg, opportunities(Cards offense puts up TDs) and accuracy are all different things.

Also the ESPN stats weirdly had attempts and not made under each season. So my mistake before.

If you go back he was 6 of 7 in 05 and 5 of 9 in 04. To me it isn't a true indictment on his distance as much as maybe his injuries last season, their offense and distance control. It isn't like he can't get a 55 yarder there. That was my point. Now accuracy outside 50 is different.

Either way, I think with the Texans O, you are going to need accuracy over distance. We will see how it shapes up.

drewmar74
04-06-2010, 03:40 PM
I think we stole him when he was ON HIS WAY to meet with the Jets.

For one time, we hosed someone else in stealth-like fashion. For a kicker. LOL.

McNair is lethal like that.

Nice to see the Texans FO pitching instead of catching.

Seems like kickers have a shelf life at any given location. For whatever reason, they seem to need a change of scenery every now and then to keep their heads on straight.

I'm glad to see Rackers coming in for a handful of reasons. Heck, I'm mainly just glad to see the FO working to upgrade an area that was obviously one of need last year.

Goldensilence
04-06-2010, 04:05 PM
Weak leg, opportunities(Cards offense puts up TDs) and accuracy are all different things.

Also the ESPN stats weirdly had attempts and not made under each season. So my mistake before.

If you go back he was 6 of 7 in 05 and 5 of 9 in 04. To me it isn't a true indictment on his distance as much as maybe his injuries last season, their offense and distance control. It isn't like he can't get a 55 yarder there. That was my point. Now accuracy outside 50 is different.

Either way, I think with the Texans O, you are going to need accuracy over distance. We will see how it shapes up.

Agree. I think that's what it should come down to.

We'll see how it shapes up the current staff seems to find it hard to let go of "their guys".

Battle Red Flash
04-06-2010, 04:07 PM
Good move. I think Kris is gone...

I agree fully. Brownie has his day, but Rackers is very good. A nice upgrade. Now about that punter.....

False Start
04-06-2010, 04:19 PM
This was a big surprise, but a welcome one. Lets see who can get it done.

CloakNNNdagger
04-06-2010, 04:22 PM
He met with The Jets before he met with us. They are a playoff team with a vacancy at kicker. How come he didn't sign with them?

The jets talked to him over the phone last week, and he was to fly to meet with them TODAY............obviously, for whatever reason, he never made it.:)

Goldensilence
04-06-2010, 04:32 PM
We just signed a kicker.....Jets need a kicker.....just sayin.

m5kwatts
04-06-2010, 05:40 PM
I agree fully. Brownie has his day, but Rackers is very good. A nice upgrade. Now about that punter.....

Didn't Turk have a really good year last year?

infantrycak
04-06-2010, 05:47 PM
Didn't Turk have a really good year last year?

Depends on how you define things. The Texans appear to like coverage over leg. Turk was around 30th on gross distance but top 10 on net. Same thing with Brown. Marciano doesn't want them over kicking the coverage teams. I like the philosophy for punts and Turk has a great high long hang time kick but I don't like it for kickoffs. My preference is 4-5 yards deep to make the returner either think or come out of a hole. KB kicks for the 2-4 yard line. But he has the leg so I think it is coaching.

Texan_Bill
04-06-2010, 06:03 PM
Bro- that looks a lot like you did before you decided to drop the extra weight !! :texanbill:

WTF??? Bastage!!

(BTW, I've kinda leveled out at around 165)

Kaiser Toro
04-06-2010, 07:10 PM
Seven pages on Kickers? The ghost of Allen Iverson is stirring.

FirstTexansFan
04-06-2010, 07:28 PM
Seven pages on Kickers? The ghost of Allen Iverson is stirring.

Go with it KT... it's the offseason, it's either kickers, or we start a VY or HWWNBN thread... nevermind, I'm going back to Porky's confession, it's better than Viagra :)

dtran04
04-06-2010, 08:01 PM
You mean the Texans signed someone who didn't play for Denver or Colorado State? Oh wait, he was probably there when Frank Bush was in ARI. Same ol Texans.....:)

Texan_Bill
04-06-2010, 08:18 PM
We're now the Houston Cardinals.

Antonio Smith and now Neil Rackers.

:facepalm:

JB
04-06-2010, 08:28 PM
We're now the Houston Cardinals.

Antonio Smith and now Neil Rackers.

:facepalm:


Led by Bush!



:facepalm:Bill!

Texan_Bill
04-06-2010, 09:30 PM
Led by Bush!



:facepalm:Bill!

:user: But he as an Oiler. :D

JB
04-06-2010, 09:33 PM
:user: But he as an Oiler. :D

He as an Oiler, yes. But also an arizona card desert prick!

Texan_Bill
04-06-2010, 09:35 PM
:user: But he as an Oiler. :D

He as an Oiler, yes. But also an arizona card desert prick!

What the hell is wrong with my "w" button, anyway? :pissed:

JB
04-06-2010, 09:40 PM
What the hell is wrong with my "w" button, anyway? :pissed:

I thought that was the way your drunk board was configured!:barman:

El Tejano
04-07-2010, 07:57 AM
Alright, so when I left work I turn on Sirius NFL Radio and Moving The Chains was on and they were talking about our Texans picking up Niel Rackers. Pat Kirwain was a fan of it.

1)He first mentioned that if he is going to have a comp for FG duties on his team, Niel Rackers would make the ultimate replacement noting that the only reason he had a subpar season last year was because he was injured (and was pretty upbeat about the fact he was still pretty accurate while being injured.

2) He talked about the fact that only 350K is guaranteed. A veteran, former Pro Bowl kicker for 350k doesn't break your bank, if he doesn't beat your guy out you aren't paying alot to improve your kicker. If he does beat your guy out you know he's earned that contract.

3) After all is said and done, you probably have a player to trade in August.

The third topic struck me kind of funny because it's very true but he didn't expand on it. Dallas is one of those teams that really don't trust their kicker either, there could be a deal done for one of these guys.

Ole Miss Texan
04-07-2010, 04:43 PM
Interesting thought about a possible trade closer to the regular season, either Rackers or Brown I guess.

One way to look at it is the $350K guaranteed to Rackers. So if you cut him, it's virtually nothing. Well worth bringing him in for that to see if he could win the battle.

The other way to look at it is if he does win the battle and becomes our Kicker. That most likely means Brown is off the team. Last year KB signed a 4 year, $10MM deal with $2.5MM guaranteed. If we assume the guaranteed portion is spread out evenly, that's $625K a year in gtd pay, so there would be $1,875,000 left over for the remaining three years. Rackers contract is a 2 year $4.1MM deal or roughtly $2MM per year. Tack on the remaining guaranteed portion due to Brown and we would be paying roughly $2.7MM per year for our Kicker. That'd be for 2 year with $650K still due a year later. Brown was earning $2.5MM per year.

So basically, if Rackers wins the job the $'s going towards filling the Kicker position would be about the same as it is now. Roughly $200K more per year with an extra $650K due in a 3rd year (assumption though is Rackers would be re-signed to a similar contract).

Lucky
04-07-2010, 06:48 PM
Seems like kickers have a shelf life at any given location. For whatever reason, they seem to need a change of scenery every now and then to keep their heads on straight.
Sort of like closers not named Mariano Rivera.


3) After all is said and done, you probably have a player to trade in August.
Who trades for kickers? Who would trade for Kris Brown? Did Casserly get a GM gig and I missed it?

I don't get the training camp competition thing. What can be learned there? Dump Brown now, and be done with it. I can't understand how his teammates have any faith in him. I can't understand how his coach has any faith in him. And can you imagine the boos he will hear when he lines up for a field goal attempt at Reliant? Why Brown just doesn't ask for a release is beyond me.

CloakNNNdagger
04-07-2010, 07:37 PM
Rackers (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6100)

In his 10-year career, Rackers has made 83.4 percent (186-of-223) of his field goal attempts from inside 50 yards and 78.2 percent (205-of-262) overall.

"My goals are just to come in and do the best job that I can and go ahead and let the Texans make the decision. I have a lot of respect of Kris Brown."

K Neil RackersThe veteran kicker also has a couple of other skillsets that endeared him to fans in Arizona.

Rackers (6-1, 206) is known as a tenacious tackler in kick coverage. He has 37 special teams tackles in his career, including 15 over the past two seasons in Arizona.

"There is some logic behind it, believe it or not," he said. "The guy with the football, the returner, is the best athlete on the field, so if I stay back and he gets through the hole, odds are I'm not catching him. If I plug the hole and force him to one of the safeties, we've got better odds of keeping him inside the 30-yard line, so that's how we play ball."

A sixth-round draft pick of the Cincinnati Bengals in 2000, Rackers also has a reputation for being one of the best at onside kicks in the league. "I take a lot of pride in that," he said. "Obviously, if you're kicking it, your team needs the ball back. It's important to give them that opportunity, so that's something we work on. It's just as important as any other part of our game."

kiwitexansfan
04-07-2010, 07:42 PM
Who trades for kickers? Who would trade for Kris Brown?

You can't even trade kickers...




Oh sorry, thats on Madden. :runaway:

infantrycak
04-08-2010, 10:56 AM
I can't understand how his teammates have any faith in him. I can't understand how his coach has any faith in him. And can you imagine the boos he will hear when he lines up for a field goal attempt at Reliant? Why Brown just doesn't ask for a release is beyond me.

It was sad last year. Kris stands real close to our seats and normally over the years he has been the fired up cheerleader on the sidelines. Towards the end of last season he was just sitting, something I hadn't seen him do in any of the prior seasons. Not real sure why he wouldn't want a change of scenery.

TD
04-08-2010, 11:30 AM
Missing from all of this is that none of us has any idea if Kris has some kind of personal crisis unrelated to football last year. While not an excuse, it could be a reason.

I don't see anyone (hardly) booing him until he misses.

As far as change of scenery, its my understanding he LOVES Houston...Mosquito fetish I guess. I wonder if he calls it quits if he doesn't make the team.

El Tejano
04-08-2010, 11:54 AM
Sort of like closers not named Mariano Rivera.


Who trades for kickers? Who would trade for Kris Brown? Did Casserly get a GM gig and I missed it?

I don't get the training camp competition thing. What can be learned there? Dump Brown now, and be done with it. I can't understand how his teammates have any faith in him. I can't understand how his coach has any faith in him. And can you imagine the boos he will hear when he lines up for a field goal attempt at Reliant? Why Brown just doesn't ask for a release is beyond me.

Nobody trades for kickers but they sure do include them in trades. Ask Dallas if they aren't the slight bit interested in Niel Rackers or Kris Brown after both have gone into a position battle compared to the guy they got now.

NitroGSXR
04-08-2010, 12:35 PM
It was sad last year. Kris stands real close to our seats and normally over the years he has been the fired up cheerleader on the sidelines. Towards the end of last season he was just sitting, something I hadn't seen him do in any of the prior seasons. Not real sure why he wouldn't want a change of scenery.

Absolutely. I sit up high over you. We wave to you every game. Look up! Ha! I wanted to cry when I saw him sitting down near the end of the season. It was a sad sorry sight to see. He's always pumping up the team no matter what. Rock bottom's a rough place to be. He's lost his mojo.

My wife has vehemently rejected Neil Rackers and she blasts me for thinking he needs to go.

He LOVES Houston.

BullNation4Life
04-08-2010, 02:34 PM
I'm gonna laugh my arse off when Brown beats out Rackers in the pre-season then continues to blow games. some of your dam heads are going to explode.

They should have out right released Brown and let Rackers have the job....

Disaster is about to ensue.....

GP
04-08-2010, 07:24 PM
I'm gonna laugh my arse off when Brown beats out Rackers in the pre-season then continues to blow games. some of your dam heads are going to explode.

They should have out right released Brown and let Rackers have the job....

Disaster is about to ensue.....

I am going choose to believe that this is actually the easy way of letting Kris go without having to let him go.

If he loses a "camp battle," it's better than being unceremoniously cut one day out of the blue. There's at least SOME semblance of pride that a fellow veteran beat him out of the spot.

I see what you're saying though. If McNair or Kubiak go soft and hand him the starting role...well, I will be disappointed.

My hope is that they want Rackers, but have to make sure he has healed all the way back before just dumping Kris Brown outright and then not have a guy because Rackers re-injures in camp or pre-season games.

:wishuponastar:

TexCanada
04-08-2010, 07:26 PM
I am going choose to believe that this is actually the easy way of letting Kris go without having to let him go.

If he loses a "camp battle," it's better than being unceremoniously cut one day out of the blue. There's at least SOME semblance of pride that a fellow veteran beat him out of the spot.

I see what you're saying though. If McNair or Kubiak go soft and hand him the starting role...well, I will be disappointed.

My hope is that they want Rackers, but have to make sure he has healed all the way back before just dumping Kris Brown outright and then not have a guy because Rackers re-injures in camp or pre-season games.

:wishuponastar:

What if Brown actually just out-performs Rackers in camp?

Lucky
04-08-2010, 07:33 PM
Nobody trades for kickers but they sure do include them in trades. Ask Dallas if they aren't the slight bit interested in Niel Rackers or Kris Brown after both have gone into a position battle compared to the guy they got now.
When did anyone "include" a kicker in a trade? And if Dallas wanted Rackers, they had every opportunity to sign him during free agency.

In a side note, if Rackers makes the team, the Texans will lose the possible 3rd round compensatory pick in the 2011 draft for losing Dunta Robinson (assuming Grossman makes the Skins team and is a qualifying free agent).

Free Agents Lost:
Robinson - ATL
Grossman - Washington

Free Agents Gained:
Wade Smith
Neil Rackers

That would give the Texans a net zero in unrestricted free agents lost, and the the Texans would receive only a 7th round net value compensatory pick in the 2011 draft. Essentially, the Texans have traded a conditional late 3rd round pick in 2011 for Rackers. So I guess the answer to "Who trades for a kicker?" is:

The Houston Texans.

threetoedpete
04-08-2010, 08:04 PM
Missing from all of this is that none of us has any idea if Kris has some kind of personal crisis unrelated to football last year. While not an excuse, it could be a reason.

I don't see anyone (hardly) booing him until he misses.

As far as change of scenery, its my understanding he LOVES Houston...Mosquito fetish I guess. I wonder if he calls it quits if he doesn't make the team.

"He got the shanks". Tin cup.

JB
04-08-2010, 08:15 PM
Essentially, the Texans have traded a conditional late 3rd round pick in 2011 for Rackers.

That is peurely hypothetical at this point.

Thorn
04-08-2010, 09:13 PM
What if Brown actually just out-performs Rackers in camp?

Kind of like drafting a highly touted RB in the 2nd round and Moats out performs him in camp. Heads explode everywhere. LOL

Runner
04-08-2010, 10:34 PM
That is peurely hypothetical at this point.

But the dots are easy to connect.

JB
04-08-2010, 10:37 PM
But the dots are easy to connect.

Only if your chart is tilted in that direction.

Runner
04-09-2010, 07:46 AM
Only if your chart is tilted in that direction.

I don't consider looking at the compensatory pick rules and applying them to the Texans off-season moves tilted.

Perhaps I'll just hope the Texans get a better deal than the rules appear to indicate.

BullNation4Life
04-09-2010, 08:45 AM
What if Brown actually just out-performs Rackers in camp?

That is my point. Brown has beat out other kickers before, none like Rackers, but if he out right beats Rackers for the job, are fans STILL gonna ***** and moan about KB being on this team? Hell yes they will even though they brought in comp at the kicker spot.

So why not outright say "Thanks but not this year, Kris" give the job to Rackers and move on. Otherwise you are setting yourself up for another disappointing year in the kicking game....

SheTexan
04-09-2010, 11:20 AM
That is my point. Brown has beat out other kickers before, none like Rackers, but if he out right beats Rackers for the job, are fans STILL gonna ***** and moan about KB being on this team? Hell yes they will even though they brought in comp at the kicker spot.

So why not outright say "Thanks but not this year, Kris" give the job to Rackers and move on. Otherwise you are setting yourself up for another disappointing year in the kicking game....

BS!!! Who cares what the fans think in the long term?!!! They're gonna ***** regardless, just wait and see. Give the job to the man who proves himself in TC. Who's to say Rackers will be any better when push comes to shove? It's a toss up! Let the best man kick the ball! JMO!

BullNation4Life
04-09-2010, 12:21 PM
BS!!! Who cares what the fans think in the long term?!!! They're gonna ***** regardless, just wait and see. Give the job to the man who proves himself in TC. Who's to say Rackers will be any better when push comes to shove? It's a toss up! Let the best man kick the ball! JMO!

right, but what if, and this is a possibility, what if the best man, as you say, that wins the job in TC is the same man that cost the Texans games and a chance to the playoffs....

Are you as a fan gonna be satisfied with the that decision by the FO? What if Brown goes back out there next season and tanks, Rackers succeeds for another team BUT because Brown beat him out in TC, Texans are sitting at home once again...

That is why I say release Brown out right or stand by the man and move on....

Mr. White
04-09-2010, 03:54 PM
right, but what if, and this is a possibility, what if the best man, as you say, that wins the job in TC is the same man that cost the Texans games and a chance to the playoffs....

Are you as a fan gonna be satisfied with the that decision by the FO? What if Brown goes back out there next season and tanks, Rackers succeeds for another team BUT because Brown beat him out in TC, Texans are sitting at home once again...

That is why I say release Brown out right or stand by the man and move on....

The Texans want to take the easy way out when it comes to Kris Brown. His problem last year was that he couldn't make the kicks when the heat was on.

Well, the heat's really on now. If he can handle the pressure of having a top 10 kicker gunning for his job, then there's a good chance he can handle the pressure of a 40+ yard kick when the game is on the line next year.

I think we all know how this is really gonna end up though.

GP
04-09-2010, 05:44 PM
right, but what if, and this is a possibility, what if the best man, as you say, that wins the job in TC is the same man that cost the Texans games and a chance to the playoffs....

Are you as a fan gonna be satisfied with the that decision by the FO? What if Brown goes back out there next season and tanks, Rackers succeeds for another team BUT because Brown beat him out in TC, Texans are sitting at home once again...

That is why I say release Brown out right or stand by the man and move on....

This is how McNair treats guys he likes.

If Kris Brown wasn't booted out during the regular season, there isn't any way he's getting booted out in off-season.

So the only way to do this, and save face, is to provide a fake battle during camp and pre-season.

I can see it now:

Media: "Talk to us about the Kris Brown situation."

Kubiak and/or McNair: "Well, you know Kris has been a Texan since this team started. He's been a part of this thing for a long time. But gosh darn it, we just had to create some sort of situation where we felt the kicking game was going to be the best it can be. Kris did that for a long time for us. We hated to have to let him go, and we wish him the best of luck. He'll always be a Texans guy in our hearts and in our minds."

This job is Rackers' to lose. 100%.

The script is written. This team is so well-tuned when it comes to this sort of stuff. It's easy for them. Now all that's left is for it to play out.

Thorn
04-09-2010, 05:48 PM
I know nothing about Rackers except from what I've read here. But if it's true he can kick deeper on special teams kick-offs and come even close to makeing the same amout of FGs in pre-season, he'll be our kicker. Kicking into the end zone and making them down it there is a huge thing.

CloakNNNdagger
04-09-2010, 06:37 PM
I know nothing about Rackers except from what I've read here. But if it's true he can kick deeper on special teams kick-offs and come even close to makeing the same amout of FGs in pre-season, he'll be our kicker. Kicking into the end zone and making them down it there is a huge thing.


Last year when I remarked how Brown wasn't able to kickoff into the endzone, someone (I don't remember who) on the board stated that he was coached to do so because the STs were expected to consistently pounce on the returner BEHIND the 20. Our STs, though, evidently were not up to the task most of the time. I don't know if the aforementioned was true. But, if so, the coaches involved in that decision didn't assess their talent very well.

Lucky
04-09-2010, 07:01 PM
That is peurely hypothetical at this point.
That's easy for you to say.

Actually, my scenario involving Rackers and the compensatory pick is theoretical, not hypothetical. If Rackers is the Texans opening day kicker, that's exactly how it would play out. Circumstances could change from now to the season opener which could alter this outcome. That's why it's a theory and not fact. A hypothetical situation would be if I had described the possibilities of a Rackers signing...before he actually signed with the team.

In no way am I coming out against this signing. If the Texans felt Rackers is the best option, inking Rackers is the right thing to do. My point was that if the competition between the 2 is close (in the eyes of Kubiak and Marciano), that 3rd round compensatory pick could swing the decision to Brown.

Maddict5
04-09-2010, 07:22 PM
That's easy for you to say.

Actually, my scenario involving Rackers and the compensatory pick is theoretical, not hypothetical. If Rackers is the Texans opening day kicker, that's exactly how it would play out. Circumstances could change from now to the season opener which could alter this outcome. That's why it's a theory and not fact. A hypothetical situation would be if I had described the possibilities of a Rackers signing...before he actually signed with the team.

In no way am I coming out against this signing. If the Texans felt Rackers is the best option, inking Rackers is the right thing to do. My point was that if the competition between the 2 is close (in the eyes of Kubiak and Marciano), that 3rd round compensatory pick could swing the decision to Brown.

ya its a fair point but chester pitts and other issues have to be resolved too

JB
04-09-2010, 09:43 PM
That's easy for you to say.

Actually, my scenario involving Rackers and the compensatory pick is theoretical, not hypothetical. If Rackers is the Texans opening day kicker, that's exactly how it would play out. Circumstances could change from now to the season opener which could alter this outcome. That's why it's a theory and not fact. A hypothetical situation would be if I had described the possibilities of a Rackers signing...before he actually signed with the team.

In no way am I coming out against this signing. If the Texans felt Rackers is the best option, inking Rackers is the right thing to do. My point was that if the competition between the 2 is close (in the eyes of Kubiak and Marciano), that 3rd round compensatory pick could swing the decision to Brown.

The bolded part is what I was saying is hypothetical. There is no guarantee that we would have been given a 3rd next year if we had not signed Rackers.

TEXANS84
06-10-2010, 06:37 PM
Looks like Kris still has some of the jitters kicking....last 4 kicks missed.

Kicker watch
Kickers Kris Brown and Neil Rackers continued their competition on Thursday. They kicked in front of the entire team with piped-in crowd noise coming from speakers on the sidelines.

Both kickers had seven or eight attempts. Rackers missed one, while Brown was off on his final four attempts.

LINK (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6200)

Runner
06-10-2010, 07:43 PM
Looks like Kris still has some of the jitters kicking....last 4 kicks missed.



LINK (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6200)

But last season I thought they said that he just had a small mechanical problem they weren't bothering to address until the off-season. Weird he's still missing kicks.

:sarcasm:

CloakNNNdagger
06-10-2010, 08:11 PM
But last season I thought they said that he just had a small mechanical problem they weren't bothering to address until the off-season. Weird he's still missing kicks.

:sarcasm:

It was the wind.................The Ghost of Heinz Field.:thinking::choke:

GP
06-10-2010, 08:33 PM
How do you miss four-straight field goals? When it's not even in a real game?

I'm going to come seriously unglued if Rackers isn't given the job that Kris Brown spent the last half of the 2009 season shanking away.

This competition is just McNair's way of letting Kris Brown go away with at least an effort to retain the job, instead of cutting him. McNair has his poster boys, and they essentially get treated like royalty the whole way out the door.

b0ng
06-10-2010, 09:32 PM
Not that I'm defending Kris Brown, but I'm willing to bet that Rackers stays through TC and pre-season to see who can actually nail kicks. I don't see this competition as "Kris Brown retains his job automatically".

drs23
06-10-2010, 10:44 PM
Not that I'm defending Kris Brown, but I'm willing to bet that Rackers stays through TC and pre-season to see who can actually nail kicks. I don't see this competition as "Kris Brown retains his job automatically".

We'll see. I hope you're right.

El Tejano
06-11-2010, 07:58 AM
If I'm not mistaken Rackers had an off year because he was coming off injury. If healed he could really be an asset to this team.

CloakNNNdagger
06-11-2010, 08:37 AM
If I'm not mistaken Rackers had an off year because he was coming off injury. If healed he could really be an asset to this team.

He was dealing with a right groin injury from the beginning of the 2009 season. In late season, he severely aggravated the injury, missing 2 games. The unpredictable nature of the injury is probably why the Cards decided not to bring him back.

Even though the 2 kickers have a similar FG % , it seems that Rackers is actually trending upwards (his numbers certainly weren't helped by his 1st 2 NFL seasons......57.1% and 60.7%) while Brown downwards.

Still, a groin injury in a kicker is nothing to discount. And, in the end, it will have to be factored in that a Kicker with a sometimes mentally unreliable track record may be better than a kicker that can't make it onto the field at all. Tough choice which will probably only come down just prior to the regular season.

ChampionTexan
06-11-2010, 09:08 AM
He was dealing with a right groin injury from the beginning of the 2009 season. In late season, he severely aggravated the injury, missing 2 games. The unpredictable nature of the injury is probably why the Cards decided not to bring him back.

Even though the 2 kickers have a similar FG % , it seems that Rackers is actually trending upwards (his numbers certainly weren't helped by his 1st 2 NFL seasons......57.1% and 60.7%) while Brown downwards.

Still, a groin injury in a kicker is nothing to discount. And, in the end, it will have to be factored in that a Kicker with a sometimes mentally unreliable track record may be better than a kicker that can't make it onto the field at all. Tough choice which will probably only come down just prior to the regular season.

I don't care if we keep Brown, keep Rackers, or waive them both and bring Al Del Greco back, I just want a season where the kicker is not the subject of a weekly thread calling for his replacement.

HOU-TEX
06-11-2010, 09:29 AM
I don't care if we keep Brown, keep Rackers, or waive them both and bring Al Del Greco back, I just want a season where the kicker is not the subject of a weekly thread calling for his replacement.

QFT, bro, QFT!

drewmar74
06-11-2010, 09:33 AM
Competition still kicking

Veteran kickers Kris Brown and Neil Rackers competed again on the final day of OTAs. After about 10 kicks, Rackers missed only one and Brown missed five, including each of his final four. Kubiak stressed why creating competition prior to camp is so important.

“You're never going to be able to go into training camp and say that Kris is going to get 10 kicks and Neil is going to get 10,” Kubiak said. “So we have to create competition here in practice.”

per the Chronic (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7047304.html)

Sounds like the yips continue....

TheRealJoker
06-11-2010, 03:31 PM
Competition still kicking

Veteran kickers Kris Brown and Neil Rackers competed again on the final day of OTAs. After about 10 kicks, Rackers missed only one and Brown missed five, including each of his final four. Kubiak stressed why creating competition prior to camp is so important.

ďYou're never going to be able to go into training camp and say that Kris is going to get 10 kicks and Neil is going to get 10,Ē Kubiak said. ďSo we have to create competition here in practice.Ē

per the Chronic (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7047304.html)

Sounds like the yips continue....

Does anyone know why they can't control kickers reps? Why not have them out there before or after practice to get the necessary reps if that's the case? I can understand preseason reps, but training camp?

gary
06-11-2010, 03:46 PM
I say Rackers has the inside track already.