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m5kwatts
04-01-2010, 02:03 PM
Daniel Jeremiah former NFL scout for the Browns and Ravens also famous for his twitter page http://www.twitter.com/MoveTheSticks & www.movethesticks.com did his weekly podcast and a surprising tidbit came out.

When asked if there's one team & draft prospect who, if still on the board would automatically be their pick, he chose Ryan Matthews to be picked by the Texans.

I can't say I disagree unless Earl Thomas is on the board. I don't think they'd take one of the DTs (Price, Odrick) or CBs (Wilson, McCourty, Jackson) over Ryan Matthews.

Corrosion
04-01-2010, 02:14 PM
Daniel Jeremiah former NFL scout for the Browns and Ravens also famous for his twitter page http://www.twitter.com/MoveTheSticks & www.movethesticks.com did his weekly podcast and a surprising tidbit came out.

When asked if there's one team & draft prospect who, if still on the board would automatically be their pick, he chose Ryan Matthews to be picked by the Texans.

I can't say I disagree unless Earl Thomas is on the board. I don't think they'd take one of the DTs (Price, Odrick) or CBs (Wilson, McCourty, Jackson) over Ryan Matthews.

I would take one of the CB's over Matthews .... but only one.

And if Earl Thomas is on the board I'd take him too.

Im not real high on any of the second tier DT's so if both Wilson and Thomas were both gone I'd probably take Matthews over one of the DT's.

But I think that Ben Tate could be had in the third round and would fit in just as well as Matthews - More value for the picks imo.

m5kwatts
04-01-2010, 02:34 PM
I would take one of the CB's over Matthews .... but only one.

And if Earl Thomas is on the board I'd take him too.

Im not real high on any of the second tier DT's so if both Wilson and Thomas were both gone I'd probably take Matthews over one of the DT's.

But I think that Ben Tate could be had in the third round and would fit in just as well as Matthews - More value for the picks imo.

I'm hearing Ben Tate's value is much higher in the eyes of NFL people than the media draftniks and their mock drafts... He won't last past the 2nd round

DiehardChris
04-01-2010, 02:36 PM
Tate or Hardesty in the 2nd >>>>>> Mathews in the 1st.

barrett
04-01-2010, 02:44 PM
I agree with the previous comment from Chris. Value specifically.

Corrosion
04-01-2010, 02:46 PM
I'm hearing Ben Tate's value is much higher in the eyes of NFL people than the media draftniks and their mock drafts... He won't last past the 2nd round

If thats the case - its still a better value to me to take him in round 2 and get either Wilson or Thomas - pending one of them is available. If neither was there @ 20 .... I might take Mays before Matthews.

Blake
04-01-2010, 02:48 PM
Tate or Hardesty in the 2nd >>>>>> Mathews in the 1st.

Hate to disagree, but Tate in my eyes is worth a 3rd rounder. Hardesty as well due to his injury history.

I will conceed that they are probably high round 3 selections which means either take them in round 2, or trade up in round 3.

Mathews is a legit starting RB in my book.

beerlover
04-01-2010, 02:48 PM
I would be happy with Mathews :)

Ole Miss Texan
04-01-2010, 02:55 PM
I'm not against the Matthews pick, I think he would be really good on our team and help us - but I'm still just not fond of taking a RB in the 1st (20 overall) when we have holes at Interior OL, DT, CB, FS. I just don't like the value of the RB unless he is Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson 2.0

I'd love to trade down, maybe we could intice San Diego and pick up more selections because this draft is just full of talent. But hell, if we stand pat and take Matthews at 20, make sure our OL is up to par and run with this kid from Fresno St. all the way through the playoffs... you won't see me complaining.

Insideop
04-01-2010, 03:02 PM
It's looking a lot more likely we will draft Mathews at #20, unless of course, the "Bolts" jump ahead of us. I guess the question is, do they value Mathews enough to give up at least a 3rd round pick and another pick/picks to get him?

JB
04-01-2010, 03:08 PM
It's looking a lot more likely we will draft Mathews at #20, unless of course, the "Bolts" jump ahead of us. I guess the question is, do they value Mathews enough to give up at least a 3rd round pick and another pick/picks to get him?

I'm thinking maybe McCourty in the first and Tate in the 2nd.

m5kwatts
04-01-2010, 03:34 PM
If thats the case - its still a better value to me to take him in round 2 and get either Wilson or Thomas - pending one of them is available. If neither was there @ 20 .... I might take Mays before Matthews.

Pollard already plays his position and he could be there in the 2nd round

Rey
04-01-2010, 03:34 PM
I wouldn't be upset with that pick...Earl Thomas would be ideal though...

m5kwatts
04-01-2010, 03:35 PM
It's looking a lot more likely we will draft Mathews at #20, unless of course, the "Bolts" jump ahead of us. I guess the question is, do they value Mathews enough to give up at least a 3rd round pick and another pick/picks to get him?

They have two 2nd rounders I believe, they may feel comfortable giving up that 3rd

ArlingtonTexan
04-01-2010, 03:40 PM
IMO, as we saw last year getting a player who you think perfectly fits you system in an above average manner is getting the most value for your pick. That is how you get instant impact at an area of need.

El Tejano
04-01-2010, 03:56 PM
Matthew's circumstance for some reason reminds me of when Eddie George was drafted by The HOUSTON Oilers.

When EG was drafted by Houston, he wasn't really supposed to be drafted by them (at least noone thought they'd draft him). They had a RB #20 by the name of Rodney Thomas who had showed potential to be a starting RB in the league and EG wasn't the most coveted RB in that draft, he was just the BPA at the time Oilers selected.

Well we have a RB #20 who pretty much possesses the same skill set that Rodney Thomas did and he's shown to be a capable starter in the league. Ryan Matthews is also not the most coveted RB in this draft either but he just may be there as the BPA when Houston picks.

I know it's not to the tee exact but it just reminds me of the same situation for those reasons above.

Wolf6151
04-01-2010, 04:29 PM
I like Mathews, he's a good player, but his extensive injury history and the fact that he played in a subpar conference lead me to believe that Tate is much greater value in the 2nd round.

m5kwatts
04-01-2010, 05:46 PM
I like Mathews, he's a good player, but his extensive injury history and the fact that he played in a subpar conference lead me to believe that Tate is much greater value in the 2nd round.

It'll also come down to 4 great years from Matthews or 8-10 years from a Kyle Wilson or Earl Thomas...shelf life has an impact here

LonerATO
04-01-2010, 05:56 PM
I just dont see Earl Thomas being available at 20

m5kwatts
04-01-2010, 06:05 PM
I just dont see Earl Thomas being available at 20

Me neither. I HATE when people are like "the Cowboys should draft Earl Thomas!" first off he won't be there and if the Texans had a shot at him it'd be a no brainer

bckey
04-01-2010, 08:45 PM
Mark me down for the I don't want Mathews at the #20 pick. I don't want a rb in the 1st round period. No real studs this year.

Insideop
04-01-2010, 10:48 PM
They have two 2nd rounders I believe, they may feel comfortable giving up that 3rd

They only have one pick in the 2nd round (#40, swap with the Seahawks). The only round they have more than one pick is the 5th. I don't think they will part with that 3rd so easy, but it depends how much they value Mathews.

Texan4Ever
04-01-2010, 10:52 PM
No running back in this draft class is worth a first round pick...nuff' said.

JB
04-01-2010, 10:55 PM
They only have one pick in the 2nd round (#40, swap with the Seahawks). The only round they have more than one pick is the 5th. I don't think they will part with that 3rd so easy, but it depends how much they value Mathews.

Yeah, but they do not have near as may holes as other teams. I have heard talk that they are in a position to move up if they so wish. Having #40 allows them to give up the 3rd if they can get 2 players they have that high.

NitroGSXR
04-02-2010, 06:59 AM
Since his spelling is slightly different, does this change the pronouncation of his name?

I'm thinking May-thews since there's one only T. Or is it still the normal pronouncatuion of Matthews?

Rep for your help. Thanks.

Mike Kerns
04-03-2010, 12:36 AM
Tate or Hardesty in the 2nd >>>>>> Mathews in the 1st.

Just like we discussed, I'd take Wilson OR McCourty over Mathews in the 1st.

barrett
04-03-2010, 01:39 AM
Since his spelling is slightly different, does this change the pronouncation of his name?

I'm thinking May-thews since there's one only T. Or is it still the normal pronouncatuion of Matthews?

Rep for your help. Thanks.

Nitro,

Everytime I've heard it spoken it's the same. Math-yous.

dalemurphy
04-03-2010, 10:43 AM
I really think Johnathan Dwyer is going to be special. So, if he's available in the second as has been projected, I would really like them to take him. I am aware of the concerns but the guy strikes me as a special back. His lack of instincts from the HB position could actually benefit him with the Texans because of what they ask of their HBs. Instead of breaking him of years of habits, they just teach him his primary read and when to make his one cut.

stingray
04-03-2010, 10:46 AM
I really think Johnathan Dwyer is going to be special. So, if he's available in the second as has been projected, I would really like them to take him. I am aware of the concerns but the guy strikes me as a special back. His lack of instincts from the HB position could actually benefit him with the Texans because of what they ask of their HBs. Instead of breaking him of years of habits, they just teach him his primary read and when to make his one cut.

Agreed...

CoastalTexan
04-03-2010, 10:57 AM
I like Dwyer too, he breaks tackles and reminds me of Shonn Greene, remember the Texans were targeting him last year.

eriadoc
04-03-2010, 11:08 AM
Since his spelling is slightly different, does this change the pronouncation of his name?

I'm thinking May-thews since there's one only T. Or is it still the normal pronouncatuion of Matthews?

Rep for your help. Thanks.

I think the one thing we should have all learned from Dunta Robinson is that not all parents can spell.

JB
04-03-2010, 11:08 AM
I would much prefer Tate over Dwyer.

Ole Miss Texan
04-03-2010, 09:46 PM
I really think Johnathan Dwyer is going to be special. So, if he's available in the second as has been projected, I would really like them to take him. I am aware of the concerns but the guy strikes me as a special back. His lack of instincts from the HB position could actually benefit him with the Texans because of what they ask of their HBs. Instead of breaking him of years of habits, they just teach him his primary read and when to make his one cut.

Some good points. TexanChick had a great Q&A with John Harris. Here's what he mentioned about Dwyer. (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2010/03/the_most_complete_houston_texa.html)

Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech - Dwyer will drive most personnel guys crazy. Well, those guys who can't get the "fullback" tag out of their heads. And, trust me, there are going to be plenty of those guys. If Dwyer had been the ace back in a zone scheme for a school last year, he'd be considered late first round material.

Here's the one thing to consider about Dwyer and why the Georgia Tech offensive scheme may be an absolute blessing in disguise for a team that is a zone-running team. The Georgia Tech option is based out of zone principles, especially at the interior level. Dwyer's responsibility as the fullback in the offense was to read the defensive tackle while staying on his running path. He was four yards from the line of scrimmage, with his hand on the ground. That's a quick read and something he did 45 times a game. In the zone scheme, he's making a similar read but is standing up and is three yards deeper - that's a major advantage for him. Reads happen much quicker in the NFL, but Dwyer is used to making those reads that quickly. His ability to make that zone read rapidly is going to pay off when he gets to the next level.
He's a much better athlete than people expect and had to learn an entirely different offense in a short amount of time. He's a good, character young man and I wouldn't ever stress about the Texans missing a first down on third/fourth and one ever again with this hoss in the backfield.

But, consider me a fan of Mathews, Spiller, Tate, Dwyer, Hardesty, Gerhart and... Charles Scott.

playa465
04-03-2010, 11:17 PM
Some good points. TexanChick had a great Q&A with John Harris. Here's what he mentioned about Dwyer. (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2010/03/the_most_complete_houston_texa.html)

But, consider me a fan of Mathews, Spiller, Tate, Dwyer, Hardesty, Gerhart and... Charles Scott.

I took note of that too and its a valid point

CoastalTexan
04-04-2010, 09:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87oQfYptdJM

Dwyer breaks tackles, if it was all about speed then Reggie Bush would be an All Pro.

bckey
04-04-2010, 02:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87oQfYptdJM

Dwyer breaks tackles, if it was all about speed then Reggie Bush would be an All Pro.


Thank you. I've been watching him and Gerhart and I'll take either one. Tate would be my 3rd pick. Now if Mathews fell to us in the 2nd then by all means take him. We all know that isn't going to happen though.

Goldensilence
04-05-2010, 10:53 AM
Mark me down for the I don't want Mathews at the #20 pick. I don't want a rb in the 1st round period. No real studs this year.

No running back in this draft class is worth a first round pick...nuff' said.

This is quickly becoming my stance. I'm not sure about Matthews as he's had some injury issues and playing in a smaller conference. Need I mention the last guy we took from Fresno State? :)

In all seriousness there looks like there are some solid, capable backs in this draft, but even the top back Spiller doesn't scream out STUD.

threetoedpete
04-06-2010, 08:15 AM
http://www.twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL
Quote:
Fresno State RB Ryan Matthews says he met with the Texans. Scouts tell me he'd be ideal for their system. He was 5-11, 218.
Add more if you hear anything!

I don't understand the aversion to "perfect" prospect to our system. the slot is correct and he fits. what is wrong with that ? Unless you guys our talking about moving up and taking Earl Thomas, or spending draft capitol on Fat Albert Haynesworth better get use to Mathews.

HuttoKarl
04-06-2010, 09:20 AM
Mathews in the first and Lonyae Miller in the 6th....just about takes care of our RB problems.

kiwitexansfan
04-06-2010, 09:23 AM
No running back in this draft class is worth a first round pick...nuff' said.

Except Spiller.

Mike Kerns
04-07-2010, 08:30 AM
I would much prefer Tate over Dwyer.

This. And I'm a Georgia Tech fan.

Ole Miss Texan
04-07-2010, 10:10 AM
Here's an interesting way to look at it. What NFL RB's does Ryan Mathews compare to or remind you of? To me, he reminds me a lot of Matt Forte and Kevin Smith. All similiar size, speed and look, similar running style.

Forte was drafted 2nd round, 44th overall.
Smith was drafted 3rd round, 64th overall.

Now that absolutely doesn't mean that's the range Mathews should go in. Every team and situation is different, our needs/their needs are different, and I think most importantly... the draft board is different. In other words, we have to look at Mathews competition in these draft prospects in this draft. Are the players we're thinking of any better or worse than him?

If Mathews was in the 2008 draft, where do you think he would be projected to go? If Matt Forte was in the 2010 draft, where do you think he would be projected to go?

Another thing, is just because of the place a player was selected doesn't mean that's where his value is. Players outperform and underperform their 'position' all the time.

Just an interesting excercise. My general feeling is that in any given year Ryan Mathews would be a GREAT 2nd round pick for us. I don't see him as the "1st round RB" we all covet. 1st round being quote unquote - the label we place on a players value. But the same can be said with just about any other prospect we will probably have to be choosing from at #20. I just feel all these prospects are so close in their grade/value that they're "not worth' the 20 overall pick.

In other words, I'm beginning my "Trade Down" stance as I do every single year. lol The value in this draft is all in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Getting a Brown/Slaton-like combo THIS year will net us two quality solid starters vs. one guy at 20 that "isn't really that much better". Now que the 'trading down isn't that easy' posts.

Ole Miss Texan
04-07-2010, 10:20 AM
I don't understand the aversion to "perfect" prospect to our system. the slot is correct and he fits. what is wrong with that ? Unless you guys our talking about moving up and taking Earl Thomas, or spending draft capitol on Fat Albert Haynesworth better get use to Mathews.
I thought I posted yesterday quoting/addressing this but I must have closed the browser. The bolded is what really sticks out to me and I will compare this to the Brian Cushing pick. By all accounts, he perfectly fit what we wanted on this team. If Kubiak looks at Mathews and in his mind he gets enamoured with him and visions of Terrell Davis pop up, if he says "this kid has every quality we're looking for and is the perfect fit." I'll totally be onboard.

The thing about RB (well any position) is that I like Spiller, Mathews, Tate, Dwyer, Hardesty, Gerhart, etc. And I might think I can get player a or b in the 2nd or 3rd round... but the list that Kubiak has is the one that's important. Some of the players may not be on that, his list of RBs he really wants in the 1st-3rd round might only be 3 players and if that's the case, we're playing russian roulette by waiting till the 2nd because chances are another team will take Tate or Gerhart, for example, right before us.

So getting back to if Kubiak thinks Mathews is the perfect fit for this team, this situation and this system and the list of other RBs he likes is fairly short (his ideal RB list is not near as long as all of ours) and the other players at #20 aren't really all that better than Mathews, then he is a GREAT pick.

Going through these member mocks we're doing, it's hard for me to say any one player or another would be a better pick than Mathews. As a guy that's always against a 1st round RB that's not "SPECIAL/ELITE", I'm really starting to come on board that (a) its a very real possibility and (B) It really may be the right way to go.

Sorry for yet another long-winded post. This draft talk just gets me all excited. :spin:

BigBull17
04-07-2010, 10:46 AM
Some good points. TexanChick had a great Q&A with John Harris. Here's what he mentioned about Dwyer. (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2010/03/the_most_complete_houston_texa.html)

But, consider me a fan of Mathews, Spiller, Tate, Dwyer, Hardesty, Gerhart and... Charles Scott.

Scott is from LSU, right?

Ole Miss Texan
04-07-2010, 10:51 AM
Scott is from LSU, right?
Yea. Not really sure where he's projected to go. 3rd/4th/5th? But from what I can tell, he's a big back we guys may like 5'11 238 lbs. One cut and go guy that would be good in the ZBS, can power he was forward... and what I really like about him is that apparently he's good in pass protection. Seems like a great goal line/short yardage guy, good in the red zone, good at pass pro, the only thing he may lack is the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. Well that and the top end speed. More of between the tackles power guy vs. speed edge guy. This could make him a great compliment (as a later round pick) to Slaton, Foster and [Insert 1st/2nd round RB name here].

Ole Miss Texan
04-07-2010, 11:16 AM
Scott is from LSU, right?

I've been penciling him in for us as a later draft pick because he's never talked about and I have no idea where he may go. He looks plenty fast in these vids but the NFL moves so fast... guess its not like he's slow or anything though. Couldn't find a 40 on him but projections are probably in the 4.6 range. Bad news he broke his collarbone during the season and it wasn't fully healed by the senior bowl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrIY31e7yE

JB
04-07-2010, 11:22 AM
I've been penciling him in for us as a later draft pick because he's never talked about and I have no idea where he may go. He looks plenty fast in these vids but the NFL moves so fast... guess its not like he's slow or anything though. Couldn't find a 40 on him but projections are probably in the 4.6 range. Bad news he broke his collarbone during the season and it wasn't fully healed by the senior bowl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrIY31e7yE

4.67

http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2010RB.php

Nice video of his running, but did you notice the level of competition for most of them?

Ole Miss Texan
04-07-2010, 11:51 AM
4.67

http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2010RB.php

Nice video of his running, but did you notice the level of competition for most of them?
Thanks. It seems he's really quick to the hole, which is great as long as its not before the OL can do their job. And yes, some of that competition were teams like Appalachian State where he looked fairly quick. :( NFL LBs are so much quicker.

JB
04-07-2010, 12:00 PM
Thanks. It seems he's really quick to the hole, which is great as long as its not before the OL can do their job. And yes, some of that competition were teams like Appalachian State where he looked fairly quick. :( NFL LBs are so much quicker.

Just noticed that Walter's times are not the same as NFL.com.

This site may be a little more accurate

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2010-scouting-combine-results-Running-Backs/133/

Scott still at 4.67

The Pencil Neck
04-07-2010, 01:28 PM
In other words, I'm beginning my "Trade Down" stance as I do every single year. lol The value in this draft is all in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Getting a Brown/Slaton-like combo THIS year will net us two quality solid starters vs. one guy at 20 that "isn't really that much better". Now que the 'trading down isn't that easy' posts.

I would be fine with us trading back. If we can pick up more picks in the 2-4 range, I'd be psyched.

I personally think that Mathews is a great fit for our offense and depending on how the board falls to us, probably will give us the biggest bang for our buck. If Kubiak doesn't, well... he knows a lot better than I do.

I think there are several backs that would work well in our system this year. BUT... I thought that last year and obviously, Smithiak's board was almost devoid of RBs.

To me, it doesn't much matter how someone would grade out in another year. Because, this is THIS year not some other year. If you've got a big need at a position, you've got to take the best available WHEN they're going to be available. If your biggest need is RB and you've got a shot at the best RB for your system in the first round and you don't think he's going to drop to you in the second round, then (if you can't trade back) you take him in the first. It doesn't matter if he would have dropped to a later round pick 1, 2, or 3 years ago.

Second Honeymoon
04-07-2010, 01:31 PM
Tate or Hardesty in the 2nd >>>>>> Mathews in the 1st.

totally agree. it may be shallow and shortsighted but Matthews has a big red flag with me.

Fresno State.

excuse me if I am a little biased

stingray
04-07-2010, 01:36 PM
I've been penciling him in for us as a later draft pick because he's never talked about and I have no idea where he may go. He looks plenty fast in these vids but the NFL moves so fast... guess its not like he's slow or anything though. Couldn't find a 40 on him but projections are probably in the 4.6 range. Bad news he broke his collarbone during the season and it wasn't fully healed by the senior bowl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrIY31e7yE

I think he ran a 4.67 at the combine. I wouldn't mind drafting Scott in the 5th or 6th... If we can get Tate in third but probably second, and Scott in the fifth, then the Texans will be cooking with gas.

BigBull17
04-07-2010, 02:42 PM
I've been penciling him in for us as a later draft pick because he's never talked about and I have no idea where he may go. He looks plenty fast in these vids but the NFL moves so fast... guess its not like he's slow or anything though. Couldn't find a 40 on him but projections are probably in the 4.6 range. Bad news he broke his collarbone during the season and it wasn't fully healed by the senior bowl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrIY31e7yE

I liked what I saw from him in season. He isn't really fast, but looked fast enough. Seems like a great fit.

Ole Miss Texan
04-07-2010, 04:23 PM
To me, it doesn't much matter how someone would grade out in another year. Because, this is THIS year not some other year. If you've got a big need at a position, you've got to take the best available WHEN they're going to be available. If your biggest need is RB and you've got a shot at the best RB for your system in the first round and you don't think he's going to drop to you in the second round, then (if you can't trade back) you take him in the first. It doesn't matter if he would have dropped to a later round pick 1, 2, or 3 years ago.
I don't disagree with you but I like looking at it like that just as an exercise. Not that it has any saying as to how we should actually draft this year. Take needs out of it and rate the player on his skill level and how he would transition into the nfl on your team. When looking at a prospect that way, you can compare him to other RBs in other classes. A 90 player this year is the same as a 90 player last year. If anything, it says more about the skill level of the other players in the draft than themselves.

Not saying this is the case but let's pretend we see Ryan Mathews and Matt Forte as identical players. Pretend they have the same style, would fit your team the same way, etc etc. Now with that said, where would we consider drafting Matt Forte? Would he be a Top 20 player in THIS draft? Would he be a late 1st/early 2nd round guy? Now specifying it to this draft and having a guy in mind that's already in the nfl, then maybe we can see if we're more comfortable with it. I don't know... :)

This also doesn't specifically address where Forte, in this example, was drafted his year. Like Demeco Ryans.... steal at #33 and if the draft was over he'd go earlier. Some players outperfrom/underperform, some scout/teams may make a miss.

The Pencil Neck
04-07-2010, 06:03 PM
I don't disagree with you but I like looking at it like that just as an exercise. Not that it has any saying as to how we should actually draft this year. Take needs out of it and rate the player on his skill level and how he would transition into the nfl on your team. When looking at a prospect that way, you can compare him to other RBs in other classes. A 90 player this year is the same as a 90 player last year. If anything, it says more about the skill level of the other players in the draft than themselves.

Not saying this is the case but let's pretend we see Ryan Mathews and Matt Forte as identical players. Pretend they have the same style, would fit your team the same way, etc etc. Now with that said, where would we consider drafting Matt Forte? Would he be a Top 20 player in THIS draft? Would he be a late 1st/early 2nd round guy? Now specifying it to this draft and having a guy in mind that's already in the nfl, then maybe we can see if we're more comfortable with it. I don't know... :)

This also doesn't specifically address where Forte, in this example, was drafted his year. Like Demeco Ryans.... steal at #33 and if the draft was over he'd go earlier. Some players outperfrom/underperform, some scout/teams may make a miss.

Like you said, one big problem is separating out what you know about how players actually ended up performing and how you thought they were going to perform. And is the way they performed dependent on where they ended up? If you were to redraft a draft from a previous year, where would you rank the guys NOW.

All of the 'rankings' that are done on players are so subjective and fluid. There's frequently a pretty wide difference between how any two people rank players. So what you're doing is you're taking something that's subjective and layering it with stuff that's more subjective.

So, what you're going to get is probably whatever it is you want to end up with before you started. If you like Mathews, then you're going to grade him high compared to backs in previous drafts. If you don't like Mathews, he's going to slip.

So... it's all mental masturbation. Not that I'm against mental masturbation. Making comparisons across years is just not going to be mental masturbation I personally find intriguing or satisfying. But if it's good for you...