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El Tejano
03-30-2010, 07:33 AM
Every year we always talk about the possibility or how we should trade down. We never speak of the possibility we could trade up. With teams like Pittsburgh looking for DBs in this draft also, what would be a likely scenario you see us trade up and what would we have to do to get someone to trade down with us?

infantrycak
03-30-2010, 09:19 AM
Well first off virtually every year there is some player people become enamored of and talk about moving up to get - Sean Taylor for example. More generally moving up is expensive. Just look at the DeAngelo Williams example. Would you really have wanted to give up DeMeco and OD to get DeAngelo? And then there is the opposite example with the Babin move up and both teams squandered the picks involved. I think the best time for a move up is when a player you expected to go at a spot too high to trade up for falls to within a few picks of your spot and the team decides to make the jump. Something like Green Bay did to get Aaron Rodgers.

Corrosion
03-30-2010, 09:35 AM
Well first off virtually every year there is some player people become enamored of and talk about moving up to get - Sean Taylor for example. More generally moving up is expensive. Just look at the DeAngelo Williams example. Would you really have wanted to give up DeMeco and OD to get DeAngelo? And then there is the opposite example with the Babin move up and both teams squandered the picks involved. I think the best time for a move up is when a player you expected to go at a spot too high to trade up for falls to within a few picks of your spot and the team decides to make the jump. Something like Green Bay did to get Aaron Rodgers.

I agree with that .

El Tejano
03-30-2010, 09:57 AM
Since you included the Babin example, I would add that you don't do it with a division opponent.

So say Earl Thomas is already gone and Kyle Wilson is there at 17 where I believe the Steelers pick and are probably looking for a DB. Do we stay pat at 20 or try to swap picks with Pittsburgh?

infantrycak
03-30-2010, 10:04 AM
Since you included the Babin example, I would add that you don't do it with a division opponent.

I don't agree with that one. In any trade like any negotiation you don't do the deal unless you think you are benefiting more. So I don't care who is on the opposite side of the transaction.

So say Earl Thomas is already gone and Kyle Wilson is there at 17 where I believe the Steelers pick and are probably looking for a DB. Do we stay pat at 20 or try to swap picks with Pittsburgh?

Depends on what your board looks like. If you have Wilson and Mathews rated the same probably not.

BigBull17
03-30-2010, 10:09 AM
Since you included the Babin example, I would add that you don't do it with a division opponent.

So say Earl Thomas is already gone and Kyle Wilson is there at 17 where I believe the Steelers pick and are probably looking for a DB. Do we stay pat at 20 or try to swap picks with Pittsburgh?

You should never do anything to help out a division opponent. Like helping Jville get cap relief in an expansion draft. Like 4 picks for Babin. I would almost never trade to a team in your confrence, unless it's a buster of a team, like Oakland.

infantrycak
03-30-2010, 10:18 AM
Like 4 picks for Babin.

And how did that work out for the Titans? It didn't.

BigBull17
03-30-2010, 10:35 AM
And how did that work out for the Titans? It didn't.

It could have. Let them take flyers on guys they may not have drafted. They did get Scafe, if I remember correctly, so he's better than Babin ever was. Also, they have Babin now anyway.

infantrycak
03-30-2010, 10:54 AM
It could have. Let them take flyers on guys they may not have drafted. They did get Scafe, if I remember correctly, so he's better than Babin ever was. Also, they have Babin now anyway.

Babin was 2004. Scaife was 2005. They got jack out of all the picks from Babin. None are on their team at this point.

BigBull17
03-30-2010, 11:02 AM
Babin was 2004. Scaife was 2005. They got jack out of all the picks from Babin. None are on their team at this point.

My mistake. Is still stupid to trade to your division rival.

infantrycak
03-30-2010, 11:12 AM
My mistake. Is still stupid to trade to your division rival.

Instead of just asserting it explain why. Unless you are assuming you are making a bad deal what is the problem? If the argument is "helping a division rival get something they want" well big whoop, they are helping a division rival get something they want as well.

badboy
03-30-2010, 11:39 AM
In past drafts, I have considered trading up to get an LT or DE. I would not trade up this year as I like the spot we have to fill need positions. I am leery of a trade down as guys I want may not be there at #28.

El Tejano
03-30-2010, 11:42 AM
And how did that work out for the Titans? It didn't.

Yes it did work out for them. They got Ben Troupe who played a few seasons for them, and then they ended up getting Babin anyhow through free agency this year.

infantrycak
03-30-2010, 11:53 AM
Yes it did work out for them. They got Ben Troupe who played a few seasons for them, and then they ended up getting Babin anyhow through free agency this year.

Oh c'mon. Ben Troupe was nothing significant and they let him go after his rookie contract. I mean by that logic the trade was a success for the Texans because Babin played a few seasons with them. Them getting Babin now as a reject from two teams is irrelevant just like it would be irrelevant if we had picked up Troupe and his 47 yards receiving in the last three seasons combined. There was no winner on that trade.

BigBull17
03-30-2010, 11:54 AM
Instead of just asserting it explain why. Unless you are assuming you are making a bad deal what is the problem? If the argument is "helping a division rival get something they want" well big whoop, they are helping a division rival get something they want as well.

When trading up in the draft, there are plenty of teams to make a deal with. Giving a team in your division extra draft picks is just silly. What if you get a decent player, and they are 50% on the picks you give? Then you just gave them a better edge. Also, the more picks you have in a draft, the better your odds of getting a suprise good player. Just doesn't make sense to do that with a team that directly effects you play-off chances.

infantrycak
03-30-2010, 12:04 PM
When trading up in the draft, there are plenty of teams to make a deal with. Giving a team in your division extra draft picks is just silly. What if you get a decent player, and they are 50% on the picks you give? Then you just gave them a better edge. Also, the more picks you have in a draft, the better your odds of getting a suprise good player. Just doesn't make sense to do that with a team that directly effects you play-off chances.

If that's your belief then you shouldn't ever trade up with any team. This isn't a one sided transaction. You got a player at their spot denying him (and the guys taken in between that pick and their trade down position) to them as well.

Wolf6151
03-30-2010, 04:10 PM
Trading up to get a player usually doesn't work well for the team. The only reason I can see for a team to trade up is if the team is very good and feel that one more good quality player will put them over the top and into the Super Bowl. A team usually mortgages the future for one good player when trading up and it quite often bites them in the butt.

Blake
03-31-2010, 11:18 AM
Trading up to get a player usually doesn't work well for the team. The only reason I can see for a team to trade up is if the team is very good and feel that one more good quality player will put them over the top and into the Super Bowl. A team usually mortgages the future for one good player when trading up and it quite often bites them in the butt.

I could see trading up for a cant miss QB, or that final piece to a SB contender.

Other than that, stay put, or fall back and build up your team with the best talent available.