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rmartin65
03-25-2010, 10:42 AM
After seeing how well our last mock was received, we decided to create another one. This took just as long as our last effort, and we are all very pleased with its outcome. We limited ourselves to a couple of rules. One being we had to pick players we think the Texans would pick (Character, Position Need, etc), the other being no trades (although we did come up with a couple interesting scenarios, which I am sure one of the other two will post).

Then without further ado, here it is:

*Round 1: Texas FS Earl Thomas, 5’10” 208 lbs

Red-shirt sophomore entry. Playmaker with above average ball skills. Smooth, fluid in breaks, good hip flip, functional strength with strong core power. instinctive reads, quick to recognize & provides good run support w/ability to improve technique. Lacks second gear but has game speed & takes good angles, aggressive, competitive has CB experience for added value. Ran a 4.4 forty @ combine & repped out 21 times on bench press (225). Led the nation with 24 pass break-ups (WOW) & 2nd in nation with eight INT's returning two for TD's also 65 tackles, 143 since 08.


Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’ 231 lbs

Sticking with our original 2nd rd. pick Toby is the complete power package out of the backfield, can convert critical short yardage situations, red zone scoring machine led the nation with 29 TD's (yeah baby). Demonstrates great balance, one-cut downhill pile driver with great vision & intellgence then finishes always going forward for extra yards. Will take a pounding but has ability to absorb contact, strong leg drive, deliberate downfield then flashes suddenness to avoid tackles. Dangerous option for Texans in screen packages. Work ethic/character not in question. Finished 2nd in the nation running only to Ryan Mathews with 143.92 yds. per game amassing 1871 yards on 343 carries for a 5.45 avg. per carry. Combine ran 4.53 38" vert 4.25 shuttle & 22 reps.

Round 3: Indiana (PA) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, 6’ 207 lbs

Here we again turn to the secondary. With the departure of Dunta Robinson, the Texans need another upper tier corner. The team cannot rely on the likes of Reeves, Quinn, and McCain to shut down the pass happy attacks that are so popular in the NFL, especially in the same division as the Colts. Owusu-Ansah has number one corner potential. He is a bigger corner, yet as fast and nimble as those smaller corners. He falls because he played D2 ball, hence his technique will need some work. He gets by on athleticism a lot, something that wont always work at the next level. Owusu-Ansah is the definition of ballhawk, 10 career interceptions, 8 as a junior and 2 as a senior (a late bloomer). He is also a very dangerous man with the ball in his hands, as evident by his 9 TDs (7 on special teams). Owusu-Ansah will be a “diamond in the rough that takes very little polishing”, and could be the first true shutdown corner in Texans history.


Round 4: Georgia DT Jeff Owens, 6’1” 304 lbs

Owens is the type of player that does not stand out during the game, unless you truly focus on him. Nor does he fill up the stat sheet. What he does do is make everyone else on the defense better. Jeff Owens is an incredibly strong player, both in the weight room, and on the field. He couples that strength with his leverage to dominate multiple blockers along the line of scrimmage. However, he is not a Mt. Cody type player, a ball of fat that has little to no impact behind the line of scrimmage. Owens is athletic enough to push the pocket, making it nearly impossible for the QB to step up and deliver the ball. A player like Owens is ideal for the Texans, as he will occupy blockers, letting the underachieving Okoye have a one-on-one matchup. The Texans also run a rotational defensive line, another plus for drafting Owens. It looks like Owens runs out of steam at times; he will need to be spelled occasionally.

Round 5: Notre Dame OC/OG Eric Olsen, 6’4” 306 lbs

Solidify interior OL needs along with free agent aquistion Wade Smith. Texans could also look at a swing tackle to develop later behind Butler but for now we focus on interior specific upgrading the Center position long term. Currently the Texans have a group of depth players who fill a starting roster spot. Olsen upgrades starting talent moving forward, has leadership qualities you look for in position & fits the clubhouse mentality/good teammate. Olsen provides upgrade talent wise & good fit personality & clubhouse wise. Nasty combo with LG Studdard & Caldwell RG. Quick, powerful pop, ability to anchor, tough & plays to the whistle. Known for punch thrown by Michigan LB Jonas Mouton (later suspended). Eric was part of Jimmy Clausen success & Notre Dame ranked 5th in the nation passing 323.3 yds. per game.

Round 6A: Wayne State RB Joique Bell, 5’11” 220 lbs

It is the “Year of the Runningback”, and the Texans should take advantage of it. If we draft Gerhart to be the power/short yardage back, then we should also draft a powerful backup to be protected against injuries. Bell is a very powerful back that dominated the D2 level, and was flying up the draft boards until the combine. His pedestrian 40 time coupled with his D2 past will knock him down the draft boards. However, the other teams’ loss is the Texans gain. Bell looks the part of an NFL back; a well developed, muscular upper body, and tree trunks for legs. One of his best assets is his patience, a great quality for a ZBS back to possess. He knows how to wait for the hole to develop, and has enough burst to hit it when available. He also has the LT-like quality to score TDs in short yardage, whether it is powering through on the ground or leaping over the pile. With Bell and Gerhart, the RB situation would look like this: Gerhart, Slaton, Foster, and Bell.

Round 6B: LSU KR Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 166 lbs

Another repeat from our earlier mock, Holliday has done nothing to dispel our belief in him. He is a lightning fast player, running an official time of 4.34, but several stopwatches had him below Chris Johnson’s magic mark of 4.24. In addition to blazing straight line speed, Holliday possesses excellent change of direction ability. He is very hard to tackle despite his size, as he can be hard to spot, and hard to get good body positioning on. One of Holliday’s best attributes is his “feel” for the kick return game. He knows how to find the crease and go. He could do a better job using his blockers though. Holliday should get a handful of plays on offense, due to his incredible speed. The occasional screen or vertical route would keep the opposing defense honest. In addition, Holliday would make for an excellent decoy. He has good enough hands to make him a legitimate receiving threat. He is not a track guy playing football; he does not shy away from contact.


Round 7: Florida Atlantic QB Rusty Smith, 6’5” 224 lbs

With the departure of Grossman, we decided that another QB was in the cards for the Texans. We wanted a player with the physical talent that just needed to be groomed by a QB guru (Kubiak). Rusty Smith is that guy. He has prototypical height, and has the frame to add another 10-15 pounds. Smith is a very intelligent player, something we all know Kubiak requires from his Qbs. The big problem with Smith (besides the shoulder injury that ended his senior season, dropping him from a 4th/5th round prospect to a 7th/UDFA) is his throwing motion. It is not pretty. Smith’s motion needs to be shortened considerably, and his release point needs to be higher. Despite that, Smith is a very accurate passer, both sitting in the pocket and on the move. He has adequate arm strength, not cannon, but good enough to make all the required throws. And maybe with some mechanics work, he could gain a bit of strength. Rusty Smith is an ideal QB for Kubiak to groom for the future.

*We had a very heavy debate deciding between Mathews and Thomas, and concluded that both would be good picks, but Thomas would be better value. We have a write-up of Mathews because of the very real possibility that the Texans draft him. Obviously, this would change the rest of the picks in the draft.

Round 1: Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews, 6’ 218 lbs

ZBS one-cut downhill RB Texans need. workhorse characteristic tough minded & physically strong. Great balance, good long speed & vision. Hands seem alright should increase exposure receive, Texans also can use Slaton to complement. Not explosive as much as good burst, very fluid change in direction. Combine ran 40-yard dash 4.45 followed up at his Pro-day 4.46 & 4.48 very consistent. Also improved his short shuttle from 4.33 to 4.10 36" & 34" vertical 19 reps. In College he led the nation running 150.67 yards per game, 6.55 avg. per carry, 1808 yards & 19 TD's.

I want to thank beerlover and badboy, for all the time that they put in on this mock. It was a long process, and I am sure we all got fed up once in a a while at something. I also want to thank the administrators and the people who keep this site going, it is great to have a place to talk Texans. And last but not least, I want to thank all of you who read this.

beerlover
03-25-2010, 11:40 AM
Running back & secondary heavy, infused with some trench nasties. later rd. developmental prospects for depth QB/WR/KR/RB. Kicker will be addressed with undrafted player yet to be determined (Gary Kubiak said he'll have competition for kicker Kris Brown beginning with the OTAs).

Evolution of a first pick:

Mock Drafting is a very fluid process which changes daily. After being the first around over one month ago to isolate & identify Kyle Wilson not only a first round prospect but an excellent fit in Houston. His ascension raised concerns of his availability. Not long after Ryan Mathews became our target, at the time considered early second. since combine his stock has skyrocketed. perfect fit to improve Kubiak/Dennison running game & vacancy left via Slaton's neck/spine injury. Now graded by some a top 10 talent, if you look at the RB prospects over last several years he measures up with the best (only AD higher grade, ok Reggie Bush too) now the only reason he could be on the board when the Texans select is quality depth of prospects (underclassman) or team needs. This rotation took us back to the beginning, a prospect who we projected early on, off the board long before the Texans pick, Earl Thomas. He is the ideal selection for the Texans giving Frank Bush an elite FS player to roam his defense. Funny @ the end of the day it could be Kyle & Ryan who push him down the Gulf Coast :)


Also big reps to rmartin65 & badboy. this "Second Edition Mock Draft" is mostly the result of their efforts, hard work & passion. It's been a rewarding, learning process & hopefully along the way (most importantly) developed friendships which last remainder of our time here as Texans :worldpeace:

kiwitexansfan
03-25-2010, 11:50 AM
I'd come away really happy with this draft...

I guess the small school corner prospect is a little bit of a redlight but I think some of our previous negative experience with it, is more about injury than ability.

infantrycak
03-25-2010, 12:02 PM
Nice work guys. Only a couple nit kind of comments. I'm dubious about the Texans taking two RBs well at all but particularly two at 220+ lbs. Also I don't understand the urge to take a developmental QB. We have one or arguably two now. This system takes time to learn and you lose all of that if you replace them each year - plus you aren't really developing anything you are just rotating. I'd take a flyer on some raw CB, S or WR probably - at least get some special teams play out of them.

badboy
03-25-2010, 12:17 PM
I'd come away really happy with this draft...

I guess the small school corner prospect is a little bit of a redlight but I think some of our previous negative experience with it, is more about injury than ability.I am an Ansah believer and it was a pleasure to see him move up the boards as did our earlier fave Kyle Wilson. In fact I am working on a scenario involving maybe two trade downs in first and ending with Wilson. Back to Owusu-Ansah, believe me the three of us had many hours of discussion tearing each of our 8 picks apart. Yes, Ansah is from small school as was Joique Bell two of my early players to focus on. We decided their stats, skills and upside + other people's opinions made them worthy of our board. Please remember that Ansah must beat out Reeves or Quin (I think ultimately it will be Ansah and Quin). Then to support our rookie, we have Thomas as our FS. The fact that Earl can play CB and Ansah did play both CB and FS aided our decision on these two players.

badboy
03-25-2010, 12:27 PM
Nice work guys. Only a couple nit kind of comments. I'm dubious about the Texans taking two RBs well at all but particularly two at 220+ lbs. Also I don't understand the urge to take a developmental QB. We have one or arguably two now. This system takes time to learn and you lose all of that if you replace them each year - plus you aren't really developing anything you are just rotating. I'd take a flyer on some raw CB, S or WR probably - at least get some special teams play out of them.Good points and we debated that. You would not believe the number of mock changes we made in just the last week. I had offered a CB in 6th Crezdon Butler, so we did understand the suggestions you make.

RB: we did have Mathews in first for a long time but that eliminated Thomas and we did several combos with Mathews & then FS later such as Nate Allen but he moved up out of our reach in 2nd. Gerhart was 65's guy & he told me as I was supporting Dwyer during the season. TG just flat blew me away. If one has not watched Gerhart it is hard to understand why we are so pumped. We went with two backs as it is a "priority" need that if successfully filled dynamically changes the entire team's productivity. We hope Slaton returns not only healthy but in 2008 form. Due to our optimism we eventually ignored drafting a Slaton type as insurance. We looked at Arian Foster and like him but again is NFL resume is minimal. We see TG, SLaton, Foster and Bell as the roster. We like Moats but he is odd man out.

pbat488
03-25-2010, 12:34 PM
Good work guys, can clearly see the effort and time y'all put into it. Rep to all!

rmartin65
03-25-2010, 12:36 PM
Nice work guys. Only a couple nit kind of comments. I'm dubious about the Texans taking two RBs well at all but particularly two at 220+ lbs. Also I don't understand the urge to take a developmental QB. We have one or arguably two now. This system takes time to learn and you lose all of that if you replace them each year - plus you aren't really developing anything you are just rotating. I'd take a flyer on some raw CB, S or WR probably - at least get some special teams play out of them.

Gerhart does not run like he is 230 lbs, from a speed standpoint. He ran times comparable to many of the top backs from last year. Equal to Moreno and McCoy, faster than Greene and Coffee (both of whom the Texans reportedly had interest in). Bell was just a value pick there. He was so dominate at his level, he was worth a late round flyer.

None of us are sold on Dan O, which is the explanation for Smith. Kubiak took a chance on Brink a few years ago, and he is not panning out. Smith becomes Kubiak's project.

As far as drafting special teamers, we did pounce that idea around for a while. The guy we targeted though was recently caught with marijuana, and we figured the Texans would not take the risk.

infantrycak
03-25-2010, 12:50 PM
None of us are sold on Dan O, which is the explanation for Smith. Kubiak took a chance on Brink a few years ago, and he is not panning out. Smith becomes Kubiak's project.

As far as drafting special teamers, we did pounce that idea around for a while. The guy we targeted though was recently caught with marijuana, and we figured the Texans would not take the risk.

My comment wasn't so much aimed at Dan O and I don't think that should be the focus. They have John David Booty a 5th round draft pick. Why boot him for a 7th round QB and start the development over again instead of taking a flyer trying to find a Zach Diles? But not to beat a 7th round draft pick into the ground.

rmartin65
03-25-2010, 12:56 PM
My comment wasn't so much aimed at Dan O and I don't think that should be the focus. They have John David Booty a 5th round draft pick. Why boot him for a 7th round QB and start the development over again instead of taking a flyer trying to find a Zach Diles? But not to beat a 7th round draft pick into the ground.

I cant speak for the other two, but Booty is (in my opinion) a camp body. He could not beat out Tavaris Jackson for a roster spot. To each his own though, I see where you are coming from.

badboy
03-25-2010, 01:15 PM
My comment wasn't so much aimed at Dan O and I don't think that should be the focus. They have John David Booty a 5th round draft pick. Why boot him for a 7th round QB and start the development over again instead of taking a flyer trying to find a Zach Diles? But not to beat a 7th round draft pick into the ground.No, you are making good observations but like 65 says Booty has not done anything so we want to start over with someone that might not be a dry well. We focused on OLB a lot and I liked Joe Pawelek from Baylor and on our first mock, I believe we had Angerer. We also discussed Washington but he kept moving up the board and should be a starter for someone. If Booty could not benefit from Kubiac's skills by now, he might not ever. As you know a 7th does keep the team from losing a UDFA to a higher offer. I think we outbid someone on Foster last year. We think the players identified rounds 5 thru 7 offer biggest bang for the buck.

infantrycak
03-25-2010, 01:18 PM
I cant speak for the other two, but Booty is (in my opinion) a camp body. He could not beat out Tavaris Jackson for a roster spot. To each his own though, I see where you are coming from.

No, you are making good observations but like 65 says Booty has not done anything so we want to start over with someone that might not be a dry well.

What is Booty supposed to have done? He was on the practice squad and not even eligible to play. Tavaris Jackson was a 2nd round pick with starting experience that many Vikings fans wanted to continue starting. I don't see the significance of that one. I mean you draft Smith and odds are he goes on the practice squad for a year and next year someone is saying he hasn't done anything so let's take another flyer. I just think developmental QBs need to be developed. Like the Colts did hanging onto Jim Sorgi for four years.

beerlover
03-25-2010, 01:19 PM
We should all have concerns with our QB position. what happens if Schaub gets hurt? Orlovsky has NFL experience, lets hope Kubiak can straighten him out? last year the Texans carried three QB's good chance they do the same which is reason why you bring in your guy to compete in camp. Both Schaub & Orlovsky stand 6'5" as does Rusty Smith. Booty gets caught in a numbers game once again, like his intelligence but ceiling much lower (player wise, but if he chooses probably an excellent OC someday).

This is also the very reason the Texans need to fortify the running corps-

Keep Schaub healthy at all costs
improve the running game from near dead last in the NFL
balance out the offensive attack
change area of weakness into area strength, good draft to do it


ps. Holiday could really surprise @ slot WR which adds even more value to his outstanding upgrade on special teams.

badboy
03-25-2010, 01:34 PM
What is Booty supposed to have done? He was on the practice squad and not even eligible to play. Tavaris Jackson was a 2nd round pick with starting experience that many Vikings fans wanted to continue starting. I don't see the significance of that one. I mean you draft Smith and odds are he goes on the practice squad for a year and next year someone is saying he hasn't done anything so let's take another flyer. I just think developmental QBs need to be developed. Like the Colts did hanging onto Jim Sorgi for four years.Not to be word crafty, but it is what Booty has not done. He is a fan favorite but even on the PS you need to show improvement. He is directly under coaches for advice and does not just carry a clip board at practices. If Kubes agrees with you, then he will not spend a pick on QB and Booty will remain on PS.We really need to have solid 2nd & 3rd QB backups.

infantrycak
03-25-2010, 02:10 PM
He is a fan favorite but even on the PS you need to show improvement.

Thing is as fans we haven't seen him to know he hasn't or has shown improvement. And I don't know about fan favorite. I have no personal feelings about him at all. I won't be upset if they ditch him in favor of someone else. My point was simply unless there is reason to believe they are unhappy, I'd rather take a flyer on someone who might develop or will at least contribute on special teams.

Blake
03-25-2010, 02:28 PM
Good work guys. Very detailed. Let me just say these are my personal opinions. Nothing against your draft.

I still have an issue with Gerhart in the 2nd. Especially if Mathews was our first pick. Gerhart would be a great 3rd round pick, allowing you to boster the oline, or secondary (both of which I still think need work) in round 2. What is the worst that happens if you miss on Gerhart in the 3rd? You get Hardesty, Tate, or Dixon. Sounds good to me.

And I am not saying that AOA will be a developmental player, but I have a hard time seeing him come in and get a starting CB job for at least a year. I mean, he is a D2 player, has he even been coached legit fundamentals?

But other than that I love the Eearl Thomas pick, and Eric Olsen in the later rounds as well.

rmartin65
03-25-2010, 02:41 PM
Good work guys. Very detailed. Let me just say these are my personal opinions. Nothing against your draft.

I still have an issue with Gerhart in the 2nd. Especially if Mathews was our first pick. Gerhart would be a great 3rd round pick, allowing you to boster the oline, or secondary (both of which I still think need work) in round 2. What is the worst that happens if you miss on Gerhart in the 3rd? You get Hardesty, Tate, or Dixon. Sounds good to me.

And I am not saying that AOA will be a developmental player, but I have a hard time seeing him come in and get a starting CB job for at least a year. I mean, he is a D2 player, has he even been coached legit fundamentals?

But other than that I love the Eearl Thomas pick, and Eric Olsen in the later rounds as well.

No worries.

Let me clear up a little confusion; If Matthews is the first pick, the draft changes. There is no way I would endorse back to back starting caliber runningbacks with the Texans' needs. Gerhart is not going to be there in the 3rd. In light of his recent work outs, he might not make it out of the 2nd. he has the stats of a first round back, but people get too caught up in numbers.

Hardesty is an injury risk, big time. People want to get rid of OD because he has had 3 knee injuries, Hardesty has had 3 knee surgeries. I'll pass.

Dixon is not the right type of runner for the Texans. He is the stereotypical big, plodding back. Not a good fit.

As for Tate, we just have Gerhart rated higher. Gerhart plays the game harder than Tate does.

As for AOA, we dont see him stepping in as a starter. He will start off as a nickel, and learn as he goes.

Thanks for your input.

TexCanada
03-25-2010, 03:18 PM
I would be completely on board with this. I much prefer using the first pick on the defense and grabbing a RB in round 2. I think you have done a great job at adressing our needs.

I really hope that Smithiak is continually looking at the CBs that are still available in free agency. I think that no matter where we draft a CB, another guy is still needed back there, even if he is just a career back-up. There are still a number of guys that fit this description out there.

steelbtexan
03-25-2010, 03:27 PM
Gerhart does not run like he is 230 lbs, from a speed standpoint. He ran times comparable to many of the top backs from last year. Equal to Moreno and McCoy, faster than Greene and Coffee (both of whom the Texans reportedly had interest in). Bell was just a value pick there. He was so dominate at his level, he was worth a late round flyer.

None of us are sold on Dan O, which is the explanation for Smith. Kubiak took a chance on Brink a few years ago, and he is not panning out. Smith becomes Kubiak's project.

As far as drafting special teamers, we did pounce that idea around for a while. The guy we targeted though was recently caught with marijuana, and we figured the Texans would not take the risk.

Where did you get a list of guys that failed their drug tests at the combine?

rmartin65
03-25-2010, 03:36 PM
Where did you get a list of guys that failed their drug tests at the combine?

We do not have that list (I wish we did), it was in an article on the internet.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/Former-UM-Corner-Shields-Busted-for-Pot-88723722.html

beerlover
03-25-2010, 03:39 PM
Toby is one of the most acomplished least followed draft prospects of this draft. Problem for me was (I had my doubts too) not enough demand here with all our local football & east coast bias with the early games, I never had a chance to see him play. rmartin65 persverance convinced me I had to see him play. It was the Oregon game. Had to visit a Buffalo Wildwings to get the feed (cold beer & hot wings too) http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=293110024 follwed him ever since & the more I thought about it the more it intriqued me to see the Texans draft his pile driving, downhill relentless style, such a weapon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-gIJea6J2c

Now I ask you, does Toby Gerhart look like a 3rd rd NFL Draft Pick? He was our 2nd rd. pick in our first mock draft & remains our 2nd rd. draft selection for your Houston Texans. combined with an excellent combine to his pro-day he has done nothing but improve his stock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NIY5z0djdI

rmartin65
03-25-2010, 03:42 PM
Toby is one of the most acomplished least followed draft prospects of this draft. Problem for me was (I had my doubts too) not enough demand here with all our local football & east coast bias with the early games, I never had a chance to see him play. rmartin65 persverance convinced me I had to see him play. It was the Oregon game. Had to visit a Buffalo Wildwings to get the feed (cold beer & hot wings too) http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=293110024 follwed him ever since & the more I thought about it the more it intriqued me to see the Texans draft his pile driving, downhill relentless style, such a weapon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-gIJea6J2c

Now I ask you, does Toby Gerhart look like a 3rd rd NFL Draft Pick? He was our 2nd rd. pick in our first mock draft & remains our 2nd rd. draft selection for your Houston Texans. combined with an excellent combine to his pro-day he has done nothing but improve his stock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NIY5z0djdI

I had forgotten just how fun it was watching him run. Thanks for posting the vids.

This is my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw&feature=fvw

The Pencil Neck
03-25-2010, 03:42 PM
Not to be word crafty, but it is what Booty has not done. He is a fan favorite but even on the PS you need to show improvement. He is directly under coaches for advice and does not just carry a clip board at practices. If Kubes agrees with you, then he will not spend a pick on QB and Booty will remain on PS.We really need to have solid 2nd & 3rd QB backups.

Waittasecond.

Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I'm not), but hasn't Booty just been signed to a futures contract by us. He was on the Titan's PS last year. Kubiak hasn't even really had a chance to work with this kid, yet. He hasn't had a chance to show any improvement.

rmartin65
03-25-2010, 03:51 PM
Waittasecond.

Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I'm not), but hasn't Booty just been signed to a futures contract by us. He was on the Titan's PS last year. Kubiak hasn't even really had a chance to work with this kid, yet. He hasn't had a chance to show any improvement.

He bounced from the Vikings to the Titans. Why do we want a Titans QB castoff? Smith has more long term potential than Booty, better height and a better (more accurate) arm. He also looks more comfortable throwing on the run, a staple of the Texans offense.

Insideop
03-25-2010, 03:59 PM
Pretty good job on the mock guys. I just don't see Thomas there for us at 20. A lot of so called "experts" are saying he will be gone before 18. Of course a lot of "experts" were saying James Casey would be gone in the 2nd or 3rd round last year, so you never know. As for Gerhart, I would love that pick, and if we don't get Mathews in the 1st I'd be happy with Toby in the 2nd.

AOA seems more like a FS than a CB to me but I'm no expert in the matter. I think it would be a good pick. Not sold on your 4th rounder though. I see a lot of people taking the smaller 3 technique DT for us which is the same position Okoye plays. Are we planning on trading/cutting Okoye? Not likely. At least not yet. I think he'll have another year to prove himself to Kollar and Kubes before they do that.

I think Olsen in the 5th would be a great pick, if he lasts that long, and I do think they will look for interior O-line help in the mid to late rounds. As for your 6th rounders, I probably would have gone in a different direction. Maybe SS or OLB/ILB, but to each his own. The QB in the 7th I don't know much about.

Over all, good job and great effort! Thanks. :clap:

badboy
03-25-2010, 04:00 PM
Waittasecond.

Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I'm not), but hasn't Booty just been signed to a futures contract by us. He was on the Titan's PS last year. Kubiak hasn't even really had a chance to work with this kid, yet. He hasn't had a chance to show any improvement.Booty was selected by Vikings in 2008 as a 5th round. Beat out Bollinger for 3rd QB but never took a snap. Was let go after poor pre-season in 2009. Maybe it's just me but I think it's odd for a team to waive a 5th round QB after only one year. Titans signed to their PS and waived him end of the season. Before the Titans signed him he had a try out for Texans. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/28/john-david-booty-gets-a-new-gig/

My thinking was he was on our PS for some time before going to Titans, but I step back from that. I think my focus was on Vikings cutting a 5th round QB. As Casserly would say "Hey, maybe John David will reach his potential."

Blake
03-25-2010, 04:02 PM
Toby is one of the most acomplished least followed draft prospects of this draft. Problem for me was (I had my doubts too) not enough demand here with all our local football & east coast bias with the early games, I never had a chance to see him play. rmartin65 persverance convinced me I had to see him play. It was the Oregon game. Had to visit a Buffalo Wildwings to get the feed (cold beer & hot wings too) http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=293110024 follwed him ever since & the more I thought about it the more it intriqued me to see the Texans draft his pile driving, downhill relentless style, such a weapon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-gIJea6J2c

Now I ask you, does Toby Gerhart look like a 3rd rd NFL Draft Pick? He was our 2nd rd. pick in our first mock draft & remains our 2nd rd. draft selection for your Houston Texans. combined with an excellent combine to his pro-day he has done nothing but improve his stock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NIY5z0djdI

Anthony Dixon is a better pro prospect than Gerhart IMO. And both of them should be 3rd round draft picks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvHPZi7_apk

badboy
03-25-2010, 04:07 PM
Anthony Dixon is a better pro prospect than Gerhart IMO. And both of them should be 3rd round draft picks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvHPZi7_apkDo you have anything to support your claims?

Ole Miss Texan
03-25-2010, 04:10 PM
Booty was selected by Vikings in 2008 as a 5th round. Beat out Bollinger for 3rd QB but never took a snap. Was let go after poor pre-season in 2009. Maybe it's just me but I think it's odd for a team to waive a 5th round QB after only one year. Titans signed to their PS and waived him end of the season. Before the Titans signed him he had a try out for Texans. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/28/john-david-booty-gets-a-new-gig/

I don't see how the Vikings could have kept Booty, or why they even would. They signed Brett Favre, traded a 4th for Sage Rosenfels and still had Tavaris Jackson who was their 2nd round pick in '06. Booty is easily the odd man out.

badboy
03-25-2010, 04:16 PM
I don't see how the Vikings could have kept Booty, or why they even would. They signed Brett Favre, traded a 4th for Sage Rosenfels and still had Tavaris Jackson who was their 2nd round pick in '06. Booty is easily the odd man out.You would not have stashed him on your practice squad? I think Tavaris was not doing that well either.

rmartin65
03-25-2010, 04:54 PM
Pretty good job on the mock guys. I just don't see Thomas there for us at 20. A lot of so called "experts" are saying he will be gone before 18. Of course a lot of "experts" were saying James Casey would be gone in the 2nd or 3rd round last year, so you never know. As for Gerhart, I would love that pick, and if we don't get Mathews in the 1st I'd be happy with Toby in the 2nd.

AOA seems more like a FS than a CB to me but I'm no expert in the matter. I think it would be a good pick. Not sold on your 4th rounder though. I see a lot of people taking the smaller 3 technique DT for us which is the same position Okoye plays. Are we planning on trading/cutting Okoye? Not likely. At least not yet. I think he'll have another year to prove himself to Kollar and Kubes before they do that.

I think Olsen in the 5th would be a great pick, if he lasts that long, and I do think they will look for interior O-line help in the mid to late rounds. As for your 6th rounders, I probably would have gone in a different direction. Maybe SS or OLB/ILB, but to each his own. The QB in the 7th I don't know much about.

Over all, good job and great effort! Thanks. :clap:

We are seeing a lot of mocks that have Thomas falling, so we are going with it. It makes sense too, some of the teams before us have more pressing needs than safety.

The beauty of AOA is that he could play both positions. However, we see his true position as corner, as in the admittedly few games that I have watched, he does not really like tackling. Sure he will go ahead and make an effort, but he is not going to love doing it.

And I dont think I understand your problem with the DT. Is he too small, like Okoye? Well, Owens does not play small. He stunned people by putting up 44 reps at the combine (not a surprise to those of us who have paid attention to his career), and plays like it. He is the reason why his counterpart, Atkins, is getting talked about in the 2nd or 3rd round. Owens occupies blockers, which will free our smaller DTs to rush the passer.

We really thought about going with a OLB in the 6th round, but opted to go with Holliday. Holliday will make an immediate impact in games.

HuttoKarl
03-25-2010, 05:06 PM
I had forgotten just how fun it was watching him run. Thanks for posting the vids.

This is my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw&feature=fvw

Some manhandling going on in that video.

Blake
03-25-2010, 05:15 PM
Do you have anything to support your claims?

Besides the fact that he played in a tougher conference, is just as big and fast, does everything well, including pass blocking, and catching the ball out of the backfield.

I just dont go bananas for a player who runs over crappy ND teams, Washington teams, and other mediocre defenses in the Pac-10.

I am not saying that Gerhart is bad, I am just saying that I value them as 3rd round draft picks. That is all.

Insideop
03-25-2010, 06:53 PM
We are seeing a lot of mocks that have Thomas falling, so we are going with it. It makes sense too, some of the teams before us have more pressing needs than safety.

The beauty of AOA is that he could play both positions. However, we see his true position as corner, as in the admittedly few games that I have watched, he does not really like tackling. Sure he will go ahead and make an effort, but he is not going to love doing it.

And I dont think I understand your problem with the DT. Is he too small, like Okoye? Well, Owens does not play small. He stunned people by putting up 44 reps at the combine (not a surprise to those of us who have paid attention to his career), and plays like it. He is the reason why his counterpart, Atkins, is getting talked about in the 2nd or 3rd round. Owens occupies blockers, which will free our smaller DTs to rush the passer.

We really thought about going with a OLB in the 6th round, but opted to go with Holliday. Holliday will make an immediate impact in games.

Owens is listed at 6'1", 304. I guess if he could add another 5 to 10 lbs without losing any quickness that would be good enough. The Texans started Shaun Cody at the NT position and he's listed at 6'4", 310. The upper body strength is very good (44 BP reps) but he will still need the "lead in his britches" to not get "manhandled" or "stonewalled" by two 300+ lb O-linemen. After all, that's what everybody complains about with Myers at OC being blown of the LOS by a large 320+ lb NT. I don't want to see the same thing in reverse. Maybe the Texans go this route, maybe not. We'll see. Should be interesting.

rmartin65
03-25-2010, 06:58 PM
Owens is listed at 6'1", 304. I guess if he could add another 5 to 10 lbs without losing any quickness that would be good enough. The Texans started Shaun Cody at the NT position and he's listed at 6'4", 310. The upper body strength is very good (44 BP reps) but he will still need the "lead in his britches" to not get "manhandled" or "stonewalled" by two 300+ lb O-linemen. After all, that's what everybody complains about with Myers at OC being blown of the LOS by a large 320+ lb NT. I don't want to see the same thing in reverse. Maybe the Texans go this route, maybe not. We'll see. Should be interesting.

Owens is strong enough to play the NT in the 4-3. Just because he is "only" 300 lbs, it does not mean he will get washed out on plays. Watch some re-runs of the Georgia games. Owens is absolutely dominant. He manhandles the lineman lined up against him. The only real knock on him is that he will not get a lot of sacks, and will need to take some plays on the sideline.

playa465
03-25-2010, 08:47 PM
Good work and write ups...I have a question not so much as for this mock but: where do you guys get info from to make the analysis on players? When I search video most of the time it only shows good highlights not much negativity...or do you guys watch the games replayed...also are you using media reports in forming your own opinions...just asking out of curiosity b/c I realize its hard to analyze something when you don't know the responsibilities of the players on any given play...again good work

rmartin65
03-25-2010, 08:52 PM
Good work and write ups...I have a question not so much as for this mock but: where do you guys get info from to make the analysis on players? When I search video most of the time it only shows good highlights not much negativity...or do you guys watch the games replayed...also are you using media reports in forming your own opinions...just asking out of curiosity b/c I realize its hard to analyze something when you don't know the responsibilities of the players on any given play...again good work

Again, I cant speak for the others, but I assume they do much of the same. I watch as much football as I possibly can, and write down my judgements on them. These judgements become more refined as I watch more and more film. I record games if I have to. I also read extensively on the internet, using it to fine tune my rankings. And of course, these boards are fantastic for finding out news on players.

steelbtexan
03-25-2010, 09:06 PM
After seeing how well our last mock was received, we decided to create another one. This took just as long as our last effort, and we are all very pleased with its outcome. We limited ourselves to a couple of rules. One being we had to pick players we think the Texans would pick (Character, Position Need, etc), the other being no trades (although we did come up with a couple interesting scenarios, which I am sure one of the other two will post).

Then without further ado, here it is:

*Round 1: Texas FS Earl Thomas, 5’10” 208 lbs

Red-shirt sophomore entry. Playmaker with above average ball skills. Smooth, fluid in breaks, good hip flip, functional strength with strong core power. instinctive reads, quick to recognize & provides good run support w/ability to improve technique. Lacks second gear but has game speed & takes good angles, aggressive, competitive has CB experience for added value. Ran a 4.4 forty @ combine & repped out 21 times on bench press (225). Led the nation with 24 pass break-ups (WOW) & 2nd in nation with eight INT's returning two for TD's also 65 tackles, 143 since 08.


Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’ 231 lbs

Sticking with our original 2nd rd. pick Toby is the complete power package out of the backfield, can convert critical short yardage situations, red zone scoring machine led the nation with 29 TD's (yeah baby). Demonstrates great balance, one-cut downhill pile driver with great vision & intellgence then finishes always going forward for extra yards. Will take a pounding but has ability to absorb contact, strong leg drive, deliberate downfield then flashes suddenness to avoid tackles. Dangerous option for Texans in screen packages. Work ethic/character not in question. Finished 2nd in the nation running only to Ryan Mathews with 143.92 yds. per game amassing 1871 yards on 343 carries for a 5.45 avg. per carry. Combine ran 4.53 38" vert 4.25 shuttle & 22 reps.

Round 3: Indiana (PA) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, 6’ 207 lbs

Here we again turn to the secondary. With the departure of Dunta Robinson, the Texans need another upper tier corner. The team cannot rely on the likes of Reeves, Quinn, and McCain to shut down the pass happy attacks that are so popular in the NFL, especially in the same division as the Colts. Owusu-Ansah has number one corner potential. He is a bigger corner, yet as fast and nimble as those smaller corners. He falls because he played D2 ball, hence his technique will need some work. He gets by on athleticism a lot, something that wont always work at the next level. Owusu-Ansah is the definition of ballhawk, 10 career interceptions, 8 as a junior and 2 as a senior (a late bloomer). He is also a very dangerous man with the ball in his hands, as evident by his 9 TDs (7 on special teams). Owusu-Ansah will be a “diamond in the rough that takes very little polishing”, and could be the first true shutdown corner in Texans history.


Round 4: Georgia DT Jeff Owens, 6’1” 304 lbs

Owens is the type of player that does not stand out during the game, unless you truly focus on him. Nor does he fill up the stat sheet. What he does do is make everyone else on the defense better. Jeff Owens is an incredibly strong player, both in the weight room, and on the field. He couples that strength with his leverage to dominate multiple blockers along the line of scrimmage. However, he is not a Mt. Cody type player, a ball of fat that has little to no impact behind the line of scrimmage. Owens is athletic enough to push the pocket, making it nearly impossible for the QB to step up and deliver the ball. A player like Owens is ideal for the Texans, as he will occupy blockers, letting the underachieving Okoye have a one-on-one matchup. The Texans also run a rotational defensive line, another plus for drafting Owens. It looks like Owens runs out of steam at times; he will need to be spelled occasionally.

Round 5: Notre Dame OC/OG Eric Olsen, 6’4” 306 lbs

Solidify interior OL needs along with free agent aquistion Wade Smith. Texans could also look at a swing tackle to develop later behind Butler but for now we focus on interior specific upgrading the Center position long term. Currently the Texans have a group of depth players who fill a starting roster spot. Olsen upgrades starting talent moving forward, has leadership qualities you look for in position & fits the clubhouse mentality/good teammate. Olsen provides upgrade talent wise & good fit personality & clubhouse wise. Nasty combo with LG Studdard & Caldwell RG. Quick, powerful pop, ability to anchor, tough & plays to the whistle. Known for punch thrown by Michigan LB Jonas Mouton (later suspended). Eric was part of Jimmy Clausen success & Notre Dame ranked 5th in the nation passing 323.3 yds. per game.

Round 6A: Wayne State RB Joique Bell, 5’11” 220 lbs

It is the “Year of the Runningback”, and the Texans should take advantage of it. If we draft Gerhart to be the power/short yardage back, then we should also draft a powerful backup to be protected against injuries. Bell is a very powerful back that dominated the D2 level, and was flying up the draft boards until the combine. His pedestrian 40 time coupled with his D2 past will knock him down the draft boards. However, the other teams’ loss is the Texans gain. Bell looks the part of an NFL back; a well developed, muscular upper body, and tree trunks for legs. One of his best assets is his patience, a great quality for a ZBS back to possess. He knows how to wait for the hole to develop, and has enough burst to hit it when available. He also has the LT-like quality to score TDs in short yardage, whether it is powering through on the ground or leaping over the pile. With Bell and Gerhart, the RB situation would look like this: Gerhart, Slaton, Foster, and Bell.

Round 6B: LSU KR Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 166 lbs

Another repeat from our earlier mock, Holliday has done nothing to dispel our belief in him. He is a lightning fast player, running an official time of 4.34, but several stopwatches had him below Chris Johnson’s magic mark of 4.24. In addition to blazing straight line speed, Holliday possesses excellent change of direction ability. He is very hard to tackle despite his size, as he can be hard to spot, and hard to get good body positioning on. One of Holliday’s best attributes is his “feel” for the kick return game. He knows how to find the crease and go. He could do a better job using his blockers though. Holliday should get a handful of plays on offense, due to his incredible speed. The occasional screen or vertical route would keep the opposing defense honest. In addition, Holliday would make for an excellent decoy. He has good enough hands to make him a legitimate receiving threat. He is not a track guy playing football; he does not shy away from contact.


Round 7: Florida Atlantic QB Rusty Smith, 6’5” 224 lbs

With the departure of Grossman, we decided that another QB was in the cards for the Texans. We wanted a player with the physical talent that just needed to be groomed by a QB guru (Kubiak). Rusty Smith is that guy. He has prototypical height, and has the frame to add another 10-15 pounds. Smith is a very intelligent player, something we all know Kubiak requires from his Qbs. The big problem with Smith (besides the shoulder injury that ended his senior season, dropping him from a 4th/5th round prospect to a 7th/UDFA) is his throwing motion. It is not pretty. Smith’s motion needs to be shortened considerably, and his release point needs to be higher. Despite that, Smith is a very accurate passer, both sitting in the pocket and on the move. He has adequate arm strength, not cannon, but good enough to make all the required throws. And maybe with some mechanics work, he could gain a bit of strength. Rusty Smith is an ideal QB for Kubiak to groom for the future.

*We had a very heavy debate deciding between Mathews and Thomas, and concluded that both would be good picks, but Thomas would be better value. We have a write-up of Mathews because of the very real possibility that the Texans draft him. Obviously, this would change the rest of the picks in the draft.

Round 1: Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews, 6’ 218 lbs

ZBS one-cut downhill RB Texans need. workhorse characteristic tough minded & physically strong. Great balance, good long speed & vision. Hands seem alright should increase exposure receive, Texans also can use Slaton to complement. Not explosive as much as good burst, very fluid change in direction. Combine ran 40-yard dash 4.45 followed up at his Pro-day 4.46 & 4.48 very consistent. Also improved his short shuttle from 4.33 to 4.10 36" & 34" vertical 19 reps. In College he led the nation running 150.67 yards per game, 6.55 avg. per carry, 1808 yards & 19 TD's.

I want to thank beerlover and badboy, for all the time that they put in on this mock. It was a long process, and I am sure we all got fed up once in a a while at something. I also want to thank the administrators and the people who keep this site going, it is great to have a place to talk Texans. And last but not least, I want to thank all of you who read this.

Rd1 Love the Thomas pick

Rd2 Gerhart- Have him rated as a 3rd rder, have Tate and Hardesty rated higher. Both Gerhart and Hardesty have played in pro style offenses and had knee injuries which scares me a bit.

Rd3 AOA-Like the pick, I feel that Thomas will play CB if AOA is drafted because AOA played S at a small school while Thomas showed me he had the skills to play CB at UT. I like AOA and you cant go wrong drafting a guy with AOA's ability. Exception to this rule is Molden only because of injury. AOA could learn for a year under Wilson.

Rd4 Owens- my favorite pick in your mock, built like a fire hydrant,is strong literally and against the run. He would bring toughness that the DL is currently lacking. Owens can easily gain 10/15 lbs as his body matures.

Rd5 Bell- Small school guy, tough runner who was good in pass pro in the Sr. bowl. Great prospect, Tate and Bell's skill set contrast each oter better than Gerhart/Bell's do. IMHO

Rd6 Olsen- like this pick, tough guy,very strong, I like jeff Byers alot better if he's there. Byers has ZBS experience which is a plus.

Rd6 Holiday- I can see this, but I like Marcus Easly better he has 4.39 speed and can KR/PR and has more potential than Holiday as an every down player.

Rd7 Smith- I can see a developmental QB prospect but I like JaMarcus Webb OT Tx.A&M-Kingsville as a dev. OL prospect more.

Over all great job guys I would be very happy with this draft. I know you put in alot of time. You should be proud.

Texan_Bill
03-25-2010, 09:20 PM
All three guys repped. I agree with Cak in the sense I don't see two RB's being drafted, but a helluva job nonetheless.

Brandon420tx
03-25-2010, 11:17 PM
If for some reason Earl Thomas does not end up as a Texan. My second choice would be Myron Rolle. He might be too much of a SS though, what are your thoughts?

beerlover
03-25-2010, 11:21 PM
Rd1 Love the Thomas pick

Rd2 Gerhart- Have him rated as a 3rd rder, have Tate and Hardesty rated higher. Both Gerhart and Hardesty have played in pro style offenses and had knee injuries which scares me a bit.

Rd3 AOA-Like the pick, I feel that Thomas will play CB if AOA is drafted because AOA played S at a small school while Thomas showed me he had the skills to play CB at UT. I like AOA and you cant go wrong drafting a guy with AOA's ability. Exception to this rule is Molden only because of injury. AOA could learn for a year under Wilson.

Rd4 Owens- my favorite pick in your mock, built like a fire hydrant,is strong literally and against the run. He would bring toughness that the DL is currently lacking. Owens can easily gain 10/15 lbs as his body matures.

Rd5 Bell- Small school guy, tough runner who was good in pass pro in the Sr. bowl. Great prospect, Tate and Bell's skill set contrast each oter better than Gerhart/Bell's do. IMHO

Rd6 Olsen- like this pick, tough guy,very strong, I like jeff Byers alot better if he's there. Byers has ZBS experience which is a plus.

Rd6 Holiday- I can see this, but I like Marcus Easly better he has 4.39 speed and can KR/PR and has more potential than Holiday as an every down player.

Rd7 Smith- I can see a developmental QB prospect but I like JaMarcus Webb OT Tx.A&M-Kingsville as a dev. OL prospect more.

Over all great job guys I would be very happy with this draft. I know you put in alot of time. You should be proud.

thanks for your thoughts :)

Olsen is actually our 5th rd. pick & Bell is 6th.

In regards of Houston taking another 7th rd. project (see Alex Brink) QB we agreed its important to utilize Kubiaks strengths now, how long he remains the Texans HC is uncertain beyond his new 3 year extension. It would be nice if/when he does leave to at least have resolved the QB position, afterall thats what brought him to Houston in the first place.

rmartin65
03-26-2010, 10:26 AM
If for some reason Earl Thomas does not end up as a Texan. My second choice would be Myron Rolle. He might be too much of a SS though, what are your thoughts?

There is some debate on Rolle, and actually he was not one of the guys we discussed.

You are right, Rolle is more of a SS. He is very suspect in man coverage, and has little to no ball skills. I have been saying it for a while now, Rolle is extremely over-hyped. He was a 3rd round prospect before his year off, and is a 5th or 6th rounder now.

If you want a couple free safeties to keep an eye on, check out Nate Allen (2nd round), Morgan Burnett (2nd round), Robert Johnson (5th round) and Nick Polk (6th round).

badboy
03-26-2010, 10:40 AM
There is some debate on Rolle, and actually he was not one of the guys we discussed.

You are right, Rolle is more of a SS. He is very suspect in man coverage, and has little to no ball skills. I have been saying it for a while now, Rolle is extremely over-hyped. He was a 3rd round prospect before his year off, and is a 5th or 6th rounder now.

If you want a couple free safeties to keep an eye on, check out Nate Allen (2nd round), Morgan Burnett (2nd round), Robert Johnson (5th round) and Nick Polk (6th round).65 you are right on with Rolle. While I do think some team will take a chance on him, I just do not want him on Texans. Those FS you mention are awesome and I wish we could have worked them in somewhere. We certainly spent enough hours discussing them.

badboy
03-26-2010, 11:36 AM
Good work and write ups...I have a question not so much as for this mock but: where do you guys get info from to make the analysis on players? When I search video most of the time it only shows good highlights not much negativity...or do you guys watch the games replayed...also are you using media reports in forming your own opinions...just asking out of curiosity b/c I realize its hard to analyze something when you don't know the responsibilities of the players on any given play...again good workAs 65 says watch as many games as you can. I usually just focus on players at the area of need I think the team needs to strengthen. This last season, I paid little attention to receivers or TEs. My focus mainly was on CBs, RBs and free safeties. Of course when you are watching a game some players just dominate & you enjoy their skills. An example would be Texas vs Nebraska as most viewers probably focused on McCoy and Suh. My "assignments" were Earl Thomas and DT Lamarr Houston but Suh just pulls you to watch him.

Also, I have over the years weeded through "personalities" that I trust like Charlie Pallilo, John Harris and Zerline. What I like about these three is you can disagree with them and they don't lose their cool or go "star" all over you.

Finally, I've devoped relationships with guys like BeerLover and RMARTIN65 who I think are extremely honest in their evaluations and opinions. They are willing to share thoughts and say "maybe I missed that. Let me look again". They never belittle an idea or opinion but love football. During the many hours on each of our mocks, these two guys built me up and expanded my knowledge.
playa465 I look forward to your posts in the future. Steve

rmartin65
03-26-2010, 12:15 PM
Rd1 Love the Thomas pick

Rd2 Gerhart- Have him rated as a 3rd rder, have Tate and Hardesty rated higher. Both Gerhart and Hardesty have played in pro style offenses and had knee injuries which scares me a bit.

Rd3 AOA-Like the pick, I feel that Thomas will play CB if AOA is drafted because AOA played S at a small school while Thomas showed me he had the skills to play CB at UT. I like AOA and you cant go wrong drafting a guy with AOA's ability. Exception to this rule is Molden only because of injury. AOA could learn for a year under Wilson.

Rd4 Owens- my favorite pick in your mock, built like a fire hydrant,is strong literally and against the run. He would bring toughness that the DL is currently lacking. Owens can easily gain 10/15 lbs as his body matures.

Rd5 Bell- Small school guy, tough runner who was good in pass pro in the Sr. bowl. Great prospect, Tate and Bell's skill set contrast each oter better than Gerhart/Bell's do. IMHO

Rd6 Olsen- like this pick, tough guy,very strong, I like jeff Byers alot better if he's there. Byers has ZBS experience which is a plus.

Rd6 Holiday- I can see this, but I like Marcus Easly better he has 4.39 speed and can KR/PR and has more potential than Holiday as an every down player.

Rd7 Smith- I can see a developmental QB prospect but I like JaMarcus Webb OT Tx.A&M-Kingsville as a dev. OL prospect more.

Over all great job guys I would be very happy with this draft. I know you put in alot of time. You should be proud.

Round 2- Hardesty (as I pointed out earlier) has had 3 knee surgeries already. People think OD is unstable, it would be worse for a runningback. Gerhart tore his PCL, which, as far as knee injuries go, is not too bad. Between Tat and Gerhart, it seems to be a judgment call.

Round 3- We like Thomas at FS and Owusu-Ansah at CB because of the physicality. AOA is not a strong tackler, something that is a must for S.

kiwitexansfan
03-26-2010, 01:18 PM
I really don't care if my corners can't tackle but a safety that can't tackle is a huge red light.

rmartin65
03-26-2010, 01:48 PM
I really don't care if my corners can't tackle but a safety that can't tackle is a huge red light.

Which is exactly why its Thomas at FS, and Owusu-Ansah at corner.

And its not that AOA can't tackle, its that he is not especially adept at it.

beerlover
03-26-2010, 01:53 PM
I really don't care if my corners can't tackle but a safety that can't tackle is a huge red light.

During our process I had to set-up bookmark of Akwasi Owusu-Ansah working out @ the combine to convince myself he was worth Texans consideration in the 3rd rd. From personel perspective he's a flyer. Texans/Kubiak have recent history selecting small school flyers in the 3rd rd. (Jacoby Jones, Lane in 07 & Antwaun Molden, E. Kentucky 08). Taking CB in the top three rounds addresses need & deep enough talent pool to come away with impact cornerback.

Owusu-Ansah is eerily similar to Cardinals’ CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. At 6′0”, 207 pounds, Owusu-Ansah has the requisite size to be solid in run support. He does not have the blazing speed of DRC (AOA ran a 4.47 at the Combine), but he may actually be a more versatile player.

Owusu-Ansah was highly productive in college, albeit against DII talent. The major knock on him coming out is that he has not faced elite competition. How will he react when he gets beat? That basically never happened at IUP, so his ability to respond to adversity is a question mark at this point.

threetoedpete
03-26-2010, 02:21 PM
I like most of the picks. I also liked Matt Forte, Mr Two-lane a couple of drafts ago. What I posted then is what I'm posting now. Gerhart is not on their board. He doesn't fit. It doesn't matter what value he is draft wise. He isn't a one cut and go back. He is a power back. Unless we're switching away from the ZBS, I don't think he is an option.

beerlover
03-26-2010, 02:39 PM
I like most of the picks. I also liked Matt Forte, Mr Two-lane a couple of drafts ago. What I posted then is what I'm posting now. Gerhart is not on their board. He doesn't fit. It doesn't matter what value he is draft wise. He isn't a one cut and go back. He is a power back. Unless we're switching away from the ZBS, I don't think he is an option.

I would love to have Forte in the Texans backfield. He would also be worth a 2nd.

beerlover
03-26-2010, 02:55 PM
If for some reason Earl Thomas does not end up as a Texan. My second choice would be Myron Rolle. He might be too much of a SS though, what are your thoughts?

well our 2nd FS prospect is Nate Allen, South Florida. 3rd Morgan Burnett, Gerogia Tech. my sleeper late round pick is another Oregon DB (remember last year Jarius Byrd & Patrick Chung). This year I think TJ Ward has the potential to become that impact safety. I threw his name in the hat, maybe a little late, but reportedly has worked out really well, has fluid hips (good cover ability) & big hit, ball seperation playmaker ability.

BL

rmartin65
03-26-2010, 03:02 PM
well our 2nd FS prospect is Nate Allen, South Florida. 3rd Morgan Burnett, Gerogia Tech. my sleeper late round pick is another Oregon DB (remember last year Jarius Byrd & Patrick Chung). This year I think TJ Ward has the potential to become that impact safety. I threw his name in the hat, maybe a little late, but reportedly has worked out really well, has fluid hips (good cover ability) & big hit, ball seperation playmaker ability.

BL

Just how late do you have Ward going? I was not all that high on him, but I still gave him a 4th round grade?

threetoedpete
03-26-2010, 03:19 PM
I would love to have Forte in the Texans backfield. He would also be worth a 2nd.

well we'll find out this draft since Smith and Kubes had no say so last time. Price for a QB. I'm telling you he isn't on their board.

beerlover
03-26-2010, 03:32 PM
well we'll find out this draft since Smith and Kubes had no say so last time. Price for a QB. I'm telling you he isn't on their board.

excellent read from Lance Zierlein- http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2010_nfl_draft/

I do know that the idea that the Texans won't possibly take a RB in the first round feels antiquated. There are several teams who don't believe in taking a RB with an early first round pick, but the 20th pick of the draft is considered a very reasonable landing spot for a upper-echelon back and I fully expect for Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak to do whatever it takes to try and fix the running game this year which is why I believe you had better have a RB as a possibility for the Texans at #20 and if not there, almost assuredly with their second round pick.

threetoedpete
03-26-2010, 03:49 PM
Well I've got Mathews still on the board. And I've got Gerhart off to Washington to play the Part of John Riggens. So from My perspective it's kinda moot.
But he still doesn't as I understand it fit our scheme. The value of Mathews is his ability, much like Slaton, to make something when there is nothing there. And there were a lot of nothing "theres" last year. It finally got Slaton injured. Now, if we're going to line up two tight ends and run the counter trey's all day, Toby is your man. But so far I haven't seen anything that says were switching. We're still the Denver WCO that depends on the o-lineman to be super quick footed and the backs one cut and go. I'm all for Alstott up the gut. But we don't do that. We don't have the offensive lineman for it.

76Texan
03-26-2010, 04:12 PM
Round 2- Hardesty (as I pointed out earlier) has had 3 knee surgeries already. People think OD is unstable, it would be worse for a runningback. Gerhart tore his PCL, which, as far as knee injuries go, is not too bad. Between Tat and Gerhart, it seems to be a judgment call.

Round 3- We like Thomas at FS and Owusu-Ansah at CB because of the physicality. AOA is not a strong tackler, something that is a must for S.

I would love to have AOA late in the third, but will he last until then?
BTW, I read on the Bengals board that he bench pressed 315 lbs 4 times.
(Question:) How strong is that for a DB?
Also, I heard rumors that some team may put him at safety to utilize both his strength and athleticism, besides his speed that is.

rmartin65
03-26-2010, 04:16 PM
I would love to have AOA late in the third, but will he last until then?
BTW, I read on the Bengals board that he bench pressed 315 lbs 4 times.
(Question:) How strong is that for a DB?
Also, I heard rumors that some team may put him at safety to utilize both his strength and athleticism, besides his speed that is.

His availability was debated at length. We concluded that it was not difficult to believe he would be available, to to the incredible depth of this draft.

Again, I cant see AOA as an elite FS. He does possess the ability to be an elite CB.

76Texan
03-26-2010, 04:23 PM
His availability was debated at length. We concluded that it was not difficult to believe he would be available, to to the incredible depth of this draft.

Again, I cant see AOA as an elite FS. He does possess the ability to be an elite CB.

rm, why is that you don't see him as good at FS as at CB?

rmartin65
03-26-2010, 04:28 PM
rm, why is that you don't see him as good at FS as at CB?

I like my safeties (both SS and FS) to be above average tacklers. As they are the last line of defense, I want to be completely confident that they will bring the guy down.

However, his versatility is great. If injuries occur, he would be able to play the position for a while.

BigBull17
03-29-2010, 12:05 PM
I had forgotten just how fun it was watching him run. Thanks for posting the vids.

This is my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw&feature=fvw

I want one!

rmartin65
03-29-2010, 06:02 PM
I want one!

Welcome to the dark side :shades:

TexCanada
03-31-2010, 12:15 PM
The more I think about it the more I really like this draft. The only thing I might change would be Tate for Gerhart, but then again you guys know more about this stuff then I do.

By the way, thanks for putting all this together, you guys have really got me hooked on the draft now! I've learned a ton from you guys about all of the players (college ball gets no coverage up here).

badboy
03-31-2010, 01:21 PM
The more I think about it the more I really like this draft. The only thing I might change would be Tate for Gerhart, but then again you guys know more about this stuff then I do.

By the way, thanks for putting all this together, you guys have really got me hooked on the draft now! I've learned a ton from you guys about all of the players (college ball gets no coverage up here).TC, I am basically a fan that is interested in Houston area sports with some exceptions. I rarely watch an NFL, NBA or baseball game if there is no impact on my team. The Super Bowl is only championship game I watch. After becoming a draft nut several years ago, I began watching a lot more college. That is not necessarily a good thing because I often am about to drop off to sleep and a player will pop into mind and I am up and back in the living room starting a new mock or working a trade.

Tate is a good back but I have actually watched Toby Gerhart after RMARTIN65 told me about him. He is not the typical "power back" of 230lbs like a Dixon. TG fits our scheme and is a "one cut & go" back although some disagree about this. He is very difficult to bring down and would have great value @ #81. AFter hours of discussing him we decided he probably will not be there and we moved him to our #51. We like Mathews more but would have to use a first. By selecting Thomas and Gerhart we fill two "priority" needs with what we think are the best players. Kyle WIlson CB was in the mix also at #20. Thanks for your comments.

Rey
03-31-2010, 04:19 PM
I like this draft as a whole...But I do not know about two of the picks...

The 2nd RB and the late round QB...

I would take two more defensive players there...

I think if we want another RB then we can go the UFA route...

If we took another CB and a D-linemen I think that would make us a stronger team...Fred Bennet, Antwaun Molden, and Brice McCain need competition to make this roster...I would not be upset at all if we took 2 corners in this draft...

badboy
03-31-2010, 04:47 PM
I like this draft as a whole...But I do not know about two of the picks...

The 2nd RB and the late round QB...

I would take two more defensive players there...

I think if we want another RB then we can go the UFA route...

If we took another CB and a D-linemen I think that would make us a stronger team...Fred Bennet, Antwaun Molden, and Brice McCain need competition to make this roster...I would not be upset at all if we took 2 corners in this draft...Actually during our hours of debate while creating this 2nd mock, I had suggested A Cb (Crezdon Butler) in 6th. However, the three of us agree that while we need another solid CB we have two starters in Quin and Reeves an McCain is doing very well and faster than the first two. RB is different as we do not have a starter or much else for certain. Even if Slaton return healthy and reverts to his rookie year, we want his role reduced to what he was drafted for. Moats? Earned his check as a back up but does not excite anyone. Foster? We have minimal history to judge him on. A team like Texans that the coach wants a heavy running game needs twol solid backs that can ground the ball down the field. Hopefully Foster and Gerhart will do it. Bell at this pick is truly a value selection.
QB? We discussed UDFA but by using a 7th you can get what you want at often a cheaper price than UDFA.

Also, I think you are wrong on Brice McCain needing competition. He is very solid.

Rey
03-31-2010, 04:51 PM
Also, I think you are wrong on Brice McCain needing competition. He is very solid.

I like his pass covg...he's decent in that area, but he shy's away from contact from what I've seen...

Also, Fred Bennet was thought to be solid after his rookie yr. as well...

I'm not sure why McCain is thought to be "very solid"...I can remember a few times last yr. where he looked opposite of "very solid"...Of course I chalked it up to rookie mistakes, but I am not ok with not bringing in competition for guys who are not penciled in starters and even some starters need some heat applied to their backsides...

rmartin65
03-31-2010, 05:28 PM
The not drafting a second corner is my fault, I feel pretty confidant that the Texans can make it work with just one more upper round guy added.

badboy covered our thoughts on Bell and Smith perfectly, nicely done bro.

beerlover
03-31-2010, 05:33 PM
I like this draft as a whole...But I do not know about two of the picks...

The 2nd RB and the late round QB...

I would take two more defensive players there...

I think if we want another RB then we can go the UFA route...

If we took another CB and a D-linemen I think that would make us a stronger team...Fred Bennet, Antwaun Molden, and Brice McCain need competition to make this roster...I would not be upset at all if we took 2 corners in this draft...

the hardest thing about doing a mock draft is not including or having the ability to make trades.

trades are a big part of the draft day experience. it's still fun to debate who teams might pick but somewhat meaningless in the final anaylsis, just too many variables. trading down with San Diego so they could select Mathews was discussed behind closed doors weeks ago. I'm thinking even now the Texans could even trade back in the 2nd for addtional value then select Toby Gerhart, but reality is even though alot of Texans fans might not grade him this high he will be gone by the 81st pick, hence we took our shot, something the Texans needed to do last year (Shonn Greene). lesson learned, we hope!

according to the Texans & Rick Smith they feel pretty good @ CB so one premium pick may even be a little overboard.

so this was the best we could agree on given the circumanstances & parameters allowed.

Rey
03-31-2010, 08:32 PM
the hardest thing about doing a mock draft is not including or having the ability to make trades.

trades are a big part of the draft day experience. it's still fun to debate who teams might pick but somewhat meaningless in the final anaylsis, just too many variables. trading down with San Diego so they could select Mathews was discussed behind closed doors weeks ago. I'm thinking even now the Texans could even trade back in the 2nd for addtional value then select Toby Gerhart, but reality is even though alot of Texans fans might not grade him this high he will be gone by the 81st pick, hence we took our shot, something the Texans needed to do last year (Shonn Greene). lesson learned, we hope!

according to the Texans & Rick Smith they feel pretty good @ CB so one premium pick may even be a little overboard.

so this was the best we could agree on given the circumanstances & parameters allowed.

I'm not knocking the draft...I think you guys did a really good job...

steelbtexan
03-31-2010, 10:37 PM
The more I think about it the more I really like this draft. The only thing I might change would be Tate for Gerhart, but then again you guys know more about this stuff then I do.

By the way, thanks for putting all this together, you guys have really got me hooked on the draft now! I've learned a ton from you guys about all of the players (college ball gets no coverage up here).

It's just their opinion. I like Gerhart and watched him play alot.

I like Tate better because IMHO he's a better all around RB. No previous knee injuries and he seems protect the ball better.(pointed out by Corrosion) But I can see what they see in Gerhart.

I would take Tate over my favorite Hardesty and their favorite Gerhart for the same reason. Tate has no injury history and Gerhart and Hardesty do. If the RB's are = you take the one with the least injury history. Or atleast I do.

With that said if the draft fell this way I would be thrilled.

JB
03-31-2010, 10:53 PM
It's just their opinion. I like Gerhart and watched him play alot.

I like Tate better because IMHO he's a better all around RB. No previous knee injuries and he seems protect the ball better.(pointed out by Corrosion) But I can see what they see in Gerhart.

I would take Tate over my favorite Hardesty and their favorite Gerhart for the same reason. Tate has no injury history and Gerhart and Hardesty do. If the RB's are = you take the one with the least injury history. Or atleast I do.

With that said if the draft fell this way I would be thrilled.

I really like Tate, because I think he is the best overall back for our system. I would love Mathews, but you know he is going in the 1st. I want no part of Dwyer. I like Gerhart and would be fine with that selection if Tate was off the board. I am scared of Hardesty, and believe that there is not much difference betwwen him and Foster. I prefer Arian. Just my opinion.

rmartin65
04-01-2010, 08:27 AM
I think the thing with Tate is that it is his "turn" to be on the board. By that I mean that players go through phases on this board. A player gets the spotlight. First, guys decide if they are impressed or not. The amount of impressed people wanes as time goes on, it is a natural human phenomenon.

At one point, each of the top backs have had their "time". Spiller was all the rage, Gerhart, Mathews and Dwyer all had time as "the guy". Tate performed admirably on the post season/pre draft, it is natural that people are turning on to him.

That said, when I look on my notes from the season, I still like Gerhart over Tate. I know I am biased, but in Tate I saw a back with all the tools that has not put it together yet. Also, most of his big runs were to the outside. I want the guy who can break them up the gut. Oh, and dont show me a highlight clip with some runs up the middle. I said most of his big runs.

Insideop
04-01-2010, 09:04 AM
We are seeing a lot of mocks that have Thomas falling, so we are going with it. It makes sense too, some of the teams before us have more pressing needs than safety.

I think your hope of Thomas being there at #20 just flew out the window with his 4.37 at the Horns Pro Day. :jogger: Some are speculating he will go in the top 10.

steelbtexan
04-01-2010, 10:11 AM
I think the thing with Tate is that it is his "turn" to be on the board. By that I mean that players go through phases on this board. A player gets the spotlight. First, guys decide if they are impressed or not. The amount of impressed people wanes as time goes on, it is a natural human phenomenon.

At one point, each of the top backs have had their "time". Spiller was all the rage, Gerhart, Mathews and Dwyer all had time as "the guy". Tate performed admirably on the post season/pre draft, it is natural that people are turning on to him.

That said, when I look on my notes from the season, I still like Gerhart over Tate. I know I am biased, but in Tate I saw a back with all the tools that has not put it together yet. Also, most of his big runs were to the outside. I want the guy who can break them up the gut. Oh, and dont show me a highlight clip with some runs up the middle. I said most of his big runs.

I understand what your saying about the natural phenomenon. Like I said my guy was Hardesty. But when I found out about all of these RB's injury histories going with the RB with the most healthy injury history would seem like the most prudent thing to do. All things being =

Tate is a fine inside runner. It's just that Auburns interior OL stunk. Kinda like the Texans interior OL last season.

badboy
04-01-2010, 12:39 PM
I like his pass covg...he's decent in that area, but he shy's away from contact from what I've seen...

Also, Fred Bennet was thought to be solid after his rookie yr. as well...

I'm not sure why McCain is thought to be "very solid"...I can remember a few times last yr. where he looked opposite of "very solid"...Of course I chalked it up to rookie mistakes, but I am not ok with not bringing in competition for guys who are not penciled in starters and even some starters need some heat applied to their backsides...When I say solid I am speaking about what I want in a Cb and what our new defensive coaches seem to value. My corners have to have speed. It's to easy to guess wrong and have to quickly recover your position. I prefer a CB that will sometime take a chance a break on the ball. I was hoping former Texan P. Buchannan (sp?) would be our "cover CB". I want a guy that can do more than tackle a WR to stop a TD. You are right that McCain looked like a rookie sometimes but so did DR last season. Just saying for a 6th he brings more that 4.33 speed. Bennett had a great R. year. A poster said he had "something" not quite defined that messed him up emotionally involving a hospital and someone he knew if I remember correctly. He did not recover last season and needs to really step up to re-gain what he had.

badboy
04-01-2010, 12:44 PM
I'm not knocking the draft...I think you guys did a really good job...You're cool man. We can take questions, critiscisms or differing opinions. This is why RMARTIN65, BeerLover & I do these mocks. You would not believe the PMs that flash back & forth daily. You are going to laugh, but I just got another one.

rmartin65
04-01-2010, 12:49 PM
I understand what your saying about the natural phenomenon. Like I said my guy was Hardesty. But when I found out about all of these RB's injury histories going with the RB with the most healthy injury history would seem like the most prudent thing to do. All things being =

Tate is a fine inside runner. It's just that Auburns interior OL stunk. Kinda like the Texans interior OL last season.

I like where you are going, but I think you are taking it just a tad too far. Hardesty has had 3 serious knee injuries. I took him off the board for the Texans after that. He also has a history of toe problems, bad for running backs.

I think the only serious injury Gerhart encountered was a torn PCL. While serious, it is not terrible. Jerry Rice tore his PCL, and still played for 20 years I am not saying to expect that kind of career from Gerhart, I am just saying as far as knee injuries go, it sounds like a PCL is not too bad. At least, its not bad enough for me to negatively shift his ranking.

Actually, one of the people with medical knowledge, what should we expect from the torn PCL? How bad is it, career wise?

beerlover
04-01-2010, 03:51 PM
I like where you are going, but I think you are taking it just a tad too far. Hardesty has had 3 serious knee injuries. I took him off the board for the Texans after that. He also has a history of toe problems, bad for running backs.

I think the only serious injury Gerhart encountered was a torn PCL. While serious, it is not terrible. Jerry Rice tore his PCL, and still played for 20 years I am not saying to expect that kind of career from Gerhart, I am just saying as far as knee injuries go, it sounds like a PCL is not too bad. At least, its not bad enough for me to negatively shift his ranking.

Actually, one of the people with medical knowledge, what should we expect from the torn PCL? How bad is it, career wise?

sounds like a question for CloakNNNdagger

steelbtexan
04-01-2010, 05:19 PM
I like where you are going, but I think you are taking it just a tad too far. Hardesty has had 3 serious knee injuries. I took him off the board for the Texans after that. He also has a history of toe problems, bad for running backs.

I think the only serious injury Gerhart encountered was a torn PCL. While serious, it is not terrible. Jerry Rice tore his PCL, and still played for 20 years I am not saying to expect that kind of career from Gerhart, I am just saying as far as knee injuries go, it sounds like a PCL is not too bad. At least, its not bad enough for me to negatively shift his ranking.

Actually, one of the people with medical knowledge, what should we expect from the torn PCL? How bad is it, career wise?

You're probably right. I'm leery of RB's with injury histories and tend to overreact.

I thought Gerhart had 2 knee injuries. 1 ACL and 1 PCL. I think he missed 1 yr due to his knee. But dont know where to find that info.

C-N-D should be an authority on injuries.

I would like to know how C-N-D thinks OD is going to be able to come back from his 2nd ACL surgery?

rmartin65
04-01-2010, 08:04 PM
You're probably right. I'm leery of RB's with injury histories and tend to overreact.

I thought Gerhart had 2 knee injuries. 1 ACL and 1 PCL. I think he missed 1 yr due to his knee. But dont know where to find that info.

C-N-D should be an authority on injuries.

I would like to know how C-N-D thinks OD is going to be able to come back from his 2nd ACL surgery?

I think it is just one, but am reading conflicting reports. Some places say PCL, others say ACL. But it is definitely one injury, and he lost the 07 season because of it.

I am waiting for CND