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DRIFTAWAY
03-05-2005, 08:15 PM
Since we need another back, i say we stick with Wells for now and meanwhile draft and develop J.J. Arrington out of California using our 4th round pick perhaps.

J.J. Arrington- great lower body strength and explosive upfield runner, and good reciever coming out of the backfield. 1,845 yards and 14 touchdowns. Lack of experience may knock him down to 3/4th round. 5'10" 215 po8nds and ran an unoffical 40 of 4.51

He seems like an eventually perfect compliment to DD, and not costing us a too much of a high pick. He can do virtually everything DD can, and with experience can come into the game and keep the same pace going while DD gets a quick breather. :thumbup

NoBullTexan
03-05-2005, 08:21 PM
Arrington would be too much a mirror image of what we already have. What we need is a complementary back.

gg no re
03-05-2005, 08:44 PM
Mirror images aren't all that bad.... take a look at Pittsburgh for example. They use two powerbacks, and still had a dominating run game.

If JJ can do everything DD can do, it means that when he comes into the game, defense can't cheat and change attack plans..... they'll have to deal with JJ like DD, except JJ is more fresh..... and that a refreshed DD will come back in later....

Besides, by not using powerbacks, we can use a lot more multiple receiver sets than double TE sets and really stretch the field without having to go to "obvious" formations.

Don't look at it as being unable to go from a jab to an uppercut. Look at it as a relentless fury of jabs.

[however, I wouldn't mind having a powerback..... it would be nice to watch a Texan run over people! :)]

THEFUTURE
03-06-2005, 03:26 AM
JJ wont last till the 4th round, he will go in the second, he is supposedly had a great workout at the combine rising his stock... so i wouldnt be suprised if he is late first early second... no way he is there in the 4th

BuffSoldier
03-06-2005, 05:35 PM
I really dont see JJ lasting till the 3rd, I think that wiht his speed and upside he will be a mid top late second rounder, but maybe thats just me. :confused:

Rosusu
03-06-2005, 05:37 PM
Why dont we let the RBs we have play and develop. The are all young and still learing and getting better. I dont like the idea of us drafting another RB.

gg no re
03-06-2005, 05:40 PM
What else will we do with our picks? Draft 7 extra kickers?

I agree that letting our current backs develop is a good idea, but it never hurts to have extra depth at the position. After all, we'll never know if Hollings can stay healthy or Wells can advance past being a 3 ypc back.

WildBlackBear32
03-06-2005, 05:43 PM
Why dont we let the RBs we have play and develop. The are all young and still learing and getting better. I dont like the idea of us drafting another RB.

:thumbup Very very true.

Rosusu
03-06-2005, 05:49 PM
Well if Hollings never gets any carries whats the point? He could be in the best shape of his life but he doesnt get to show it. Wells is getting better every year and continues to develop. If we draft another RB that means less carries for DD, Wells, and even fewer for Hollings. Let us just WAIT!

WildBlackBear32
03-06-2005, 05:51 PM
Well if Hollings never gets any carries whats the point? He could be in the best shape of his life but he doesnt get to show it. Wells is getting better every year and continues to develop. If we draft another RB that means less carries for DD, Wells, and even fewer for Hollings. Let us just WAIT!

Agreed, I've been preaching more reps for Hollings since we got him in the Supp.

Rosusu
03-06-2005, 05:53 PM
The toss around the corner and getting him outside is his play. I hate when they run that with wells because Hollings has the speed to break it around. He is our highest drafted RB and he gets the least carries, doesnt make sense to me!

uga_iv
03-06-2005, 05:58 PM
I agree Hollings has speed on the outside. I think Capers limits his playing time due to his illness.

Grid
03-06-2005, 06:23 PM
There were a few times last season when Hollings was scheduled to get playing time.. and one or two times he was scheduled to start.. and it never happened. Why? cause every single time he got injured somehow before he took the field.

uga_iv
03-06-2005, 06:41 PM
Plus he has suffered from fumblitis. He hasn't had many carries, which really hurts his carry to fumble ration. Capers appears to be unforgiving when it comes to fumbles. You fumble once, and you sit on the bench. If Tiki Barber were a Texan he never would have had the tremendous season like 2004 because Capers would have placed him on 3rd string or traded him after all the fumbles in the NFC Championship game against Philly in 2003. It appears that Capers is more demanding of the running back than he is of the quarterbacks. Just think if he were to bench Carr every time he threw an interception or fumbled the ball.

Rosusu
03-06-2005, 06:44 PM
I dont mind Capers getting upset about fumbles, they are inexcusable. Eventually though you need to give a player another chance. I guess Hollings hasnt show determination at practice or something, which is a shame.

ledzeppelin229
03-06-2005, 07:07 PM
Plus he has suffered from fumblitis. He hasn't had many carries, which really hurts his carry to fumble ration. Capers appears to be unforgiving when it comes to fumbles. You fumble once, and you sit on the bench. If Tiki Barber were a Texan he never would have had the tremendous season like 2004 because Capers would have placed him on 3rd string or traded him after all the fumbles in the NFC Championship game against Philly in 2003. It appears that Capers is more demanding of the running back than he is of the quarterbacks. Just think if he were to bench Carr every time he threw an interception or fumbled the ball.


Benching a RB for fumbles is much different, RBs are much more interchangable than putting Banks or Ragone in everytime one of the QBs has a turnover.

uga_iv
03-06-2005, 07:12 PM
I agree there is more depth at RB than QB, but I disagree with immediately benching a RB for a fumble. It seems that Capers has a lower tolerance to RB mistakes than to mistakes by other positions. Then again there is a reason he is coaching in the NFL and I am not.

THEFUTURE
03-07-2005, 05:43 PM
its a running backs job to run the ball and hold on to that football, hollings was thought to be one of the smartest moves the Texans did, but you got to remember that hollings went down in college to an injury, and had surgery... now two years removed, he still suffers from nagging injuries, and has trouble holding onto the ball... you preach more reps, but more reps might just turn into more fumbles, and i for one would like to see the Texans win turnover battles in each game, since that is a big factor in winning games

uga_iv
03-07-2005, 05:50 PM
Agreed. But Carr still can't read defenses, fails to see the receiver mismatch, panics and dumps the ball off to DD or worse turns the ball over; yet, Capers still has confidence in him. The coaching staff needs to get tougher on him too.

gg no re
03-07-2005, 06:07 PM
Carr is different..... everyone can argue his oline was useless last year, or that he had no one but DD to go to when Dre was double covered. Hey, when you get sacked 150 times in 3 years, having people getting tougher on you is the last thing you need to improve your skills.

wags
03-07-2005, 06:16 PM
Agreed. But Carr still can't read defenses, fails to see the receiver mismatch, panics and dumps the ball off to DD or worse turns the ball over; yet, Capers still has confidence in him. The coaching staff needs to get tougher on him too.

Capers apparently sat Carr down and told him he wanted to see more of him at the Texan practice facility this offseason. I heard Carr also has a video setup in his house where he watches game film. He will get better, barring any decapitations.

uga_iv
03-07-2005, 06:18 PM
I agree that we don't have an "all-pro" o-line, but not all those sacks were due to the o-line. Nor were they all due to double coverage on Andre Johnson. Carr has problems reading defenses, identifying the mismatch, and panics. I don't know when his contract expires, but if he doesn't make a significant improvement soon, I suspect he will follow in the footsteps of his idol Trent Dilfer or Drew Bledsoe -- released or traded. Bledsoe's best years were when he played for Parcells (and we all know that Parcells doesn't coddle ANY player). Maybe Capers needs to give Carr some tough love just like he does the RBs.

uga_iv
03-07-2005, 06:22 PM
Capers apparently sat Carr down and told him he wanted to see more of him at the Texan practice facility this offseason. I heard Carr also has a video setup in his house where he watches game film. He will get better, barring any decapitations.

I'm glad to see that there is some concern. I hope this approach works. He's got to get better for us to be a playoff calibre team.

Vinny
03-07-2005, 06:28 PM
I agree that we don't have an "all-pro" o-line, but not all those sacks were due to the o-line. Nor were they all due to double coverage on Andre Johnson. Carr has problems reading defenses, identifying the mismatch, and panics. I talked a little bit about this here (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=86588&postcount=12)

wags
03-07-2005, 06:29 PM
I'm glad to see that there is some concern. I hope this approach works. He's got to get better for us to be a playoff calibre team.

Carr doesn't worry me that much. My main concern is the ability of our OL to block a four man rush. You don't even have to blitz to destroy our OL. That has got to change because 7 covering four will win every time.

uga_iv
03-07-2005, 06:39 PM
I talked a little bit about this here (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=86588&postcount=12)

Interesting stuff. Thanks.

Lucky
03-07-2005, 08:40 PM
...I don't know when his contract expires, but if he doesn't make a significant improvement soon, I suspect he will follow in the footsteps of his idol Trent Dilfer or Drew Bledsoe -- released or traded...
Carr is entering year 4 of a 7 year contract. There's a very good chance he'll have that contract extended soon. Carr is the Texan QB for the long term. The coaching staff will leave before Carr will. Probably even Casserly. Bob McNair won't allow Carr to be released or traded.

Here's a little research I did a couple of months ago that showed Carr was among the passing leaders in the NFL when given average protection.

Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=70782&postcount=40)

When the pass protection broke down, Carr's stats (and the Texans season) went downhill. Some of us were scratching our heads as to why the sack total went up as the season progressed. You'd think that Wand & Pitts would have improved as they gained experience. That wasn't the case. Sure, the rushing attack improved over the course of the year. But, how much of that was due to the O-line coming together versus Davis getting over the yips & injury and rounding back into form? Here are some reasons why I think the Texans allowed more sacks over the 2nd half.

1) Defensive strategy - In the first 7 games of the season, Carr was sacked 10 times by D-linemen, 6 by LB's & DB's. Teams were trying to force the ball out ASAP and blitzed Carr. The strategy didn't work that well as the Texans made a lot of plays downfield vs man coverage. Over the last 9 games, Carr was sacked 29 times by D-linemen, 4 by LB's & DB's. Teams blitzed Carr much less, kept 7 defenders in pass coverage, & still got to the QB. Plain & simple as it gets, offensive linemen were getting beat one on one.

2) Injuries to the O-line - Not the season ending kind, but the lingering types that keep guys from being 100%. Todd Wade was hobbled by a high ankle sprain during the season, missing all or parts of 4 games while being less than effective in others. Wiegert struggled over the 2nd half of the season with a bad knee, after missing parts of 3 games early with an elbow injury. Wiegert isn't very nimble to begin with, and he had no chance with a bad wheel. McKinney was on the injury list a few times with shoulder & chest injuries. But, he never missed a start. McKinney also missed some time in camp with a bad hamstring. But IMO, the guy has never been the same player since he "sprained" his left MCL in the '03 training camp. McKinney's game has always been quickness & finesse, and he's had none the past 2 seasons. Taking all of this into account, the veteran side of the line was never able to gel over the 2nd half & looked beaten down by the Browns game.

3) Game tape on Seth Wand - Over the 1st 7 games of the season, Wand's "man" (RDE or ROLB) collected 5.5 sacks. Not great, but expected for a LT in the beginning his career. You'd also expect a young LT to improve his production over the 2nd half of the season. But, Wand's pass protection stats worsened as his man picked up 10 sacks over the last 9 games. Why? I think one reason was that teams were able to scout Wand from early in the season and picked up on some flaws & tendencies. Wand was never really able to adjust to the leagues' "book" on him, and was finally replaced on passing downs in game 14 by lifelong scrub Marcus Spears.

What does this have to do with Cal's JJ Arrington? I don't know (I think he's a pretty good back). But, someone hijacked the thread long before me. Anyway, everyone has their opinions on the Texans passing game woes. But, the black & white facts suggest that if Carr is just given the average (not great) amount of protection, he can be a top passer and a winning QB. Maybe the Texans think that the problems they had last year are repairable with the current players. I'm not so sure. But, I am sure that it has to get fixed. Jobs will be on the line, but I'm certain it won't be Carr's.

uga_iv
03-07-2005, 08:56 PM
What does this have to do with Cal's JJ Arrington? I don't know (I think he's a pretty good back). But, someone hijacked the thread long before me.

As I co-conspirator to the hijacking of this thread, I apologize.

THEFUTURE
03-08-2005, 03:38 AM
i think the only real change is going to be the center, so hopefully we can find someone with talent, for a good price