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Texans34Life
03-22-2010, 06:50 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texans/6925340.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- It looks as if the Texans are going to host the Dallas Cowboys two times next season.

Although it hasn't been announced by the NFL, which sets preseason schedules, expect the Cowboys to visit Reliant Stadium in the third preseason game. The Texans and Cowboys played a home-and-home preseason series until last year.

"We still haven't heard anything official, but I hope it's true," owner Bob McNair said. "I think it'll be great. I always want to play the Cowboys every year. We did up until last year, and we hope to again, starting next preseason. I think we should play them every year."

The Cowboys are splitting training camp between San Antonio and California. On their way home from California, they're expected to come to Houston to play.

Owner Jerry Jones told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram recently that he expected the Cowboys to play a preseason game at Houston.

As always, the Texans will close preseason against Tampa Bay. That game will be at Reliant Stadium. The first two games against an opponent to be determined and the New Orleans Saints will be played on the road.

The Texans will host the Cowboys during regular season. The date and time won't be announced until next month. It'll be the second time the Cowboys have played a regular-season game at Reliant Stadium. The Texans defeated them in the franchise's first game in 2002.

Sideline
03-22-2010, 07:00 PM
You have to think that the game in the regular season will be prime time.

I hope so anyway.

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2010, 11:03 PM
What the article doesn't mention is that since the Girls play the Bungles in the HOF game, it will be the Texans' 3rd preseason game............but the Girls' 4th preseason game. And as you know, the 3rd game is when the starters play the most, while the 4th game is when final looks at players which are most like not to be seen again or when looks at 2nd and 3rd stringers abound. So I doubt (despite a normal "rest" period prior to the 1st regular season game for the Girls) that there will be much that we will be able to walk away with concerning true analysis of this likely very skewed head to head talent.

Allstar
03-22-2010, 11:13 PM
What the article doesn't mention is that since the Girls play the Bungles in the HOF game, it will be the Texans' 3rd preseason game............but the Girls' 4th preseason game. And as you know, the 3rd game is when the starters play the most, while the 4th game is when final looks at players which are most like not to be seen again or when looks at 2nd and 3rd stringers abound. So I doubt (despite a normal "rest" period prior to the 1st regular season game for the Girls) that there will be much that we will be able to walk away with concerning true analysis of this likely very skewed head to head talent.
The Hall of Fame Game participants get 5 preseason games.

NitroGSXR
03-22-2010, 11:13 PM
What the article doesn't mention is that since the Girls play the Bungles in the HOF game, it will be the Texans' 3rd preseason game............but the Girls' 4th preseason game. And as you know, the 3rd game is when the starters play the most, while the 4th game is when final looks at players which are most like not to be seen again or when looks at 2nd and 3rd stringers abound. So I doubt (despite a normal "rest" period prior to the 1st regular season game for the Girls) that there will be much that we will be able to walk away with concerning true analysis of this likely very skewed head to head talent.

Good. I hope our first stringers run the score up thereby us developing a reputation for not backing down. I'm ready to sock 'em in the mouth. Twice.

Eff 'em.

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2010, 11:20 PM
The Hall of Fame Game participants get 5 preseason games.

Now that you bring it up........you're absolutely right.........gives them more games to have players injured.........and, for those avoiding injury, more wear and tear going into the regular season........

Texans_Chick
03-22-2010, 11:55 PM
I want no part of the Cowboys twice.

Every time they come to Reliant, their fans as a group are donkeys. I have been threatened twice by Cowboy fans mostly because 1. I dared to wear Texans clothes at the Texans home stadium; 2. they were drunk a-holes. It wasn't because their teams lost because usually they lost after I was assaulted or nearly assaulted.

This time I'm not playing. I will totally narc a Cowboy fan on the narc text line if they give me any sort of trouble in my direction. Even though the Texans win, I really do not like the Cowboy fan behavior at Reliant.

El Tejano
03-23-2010, 12:55 AM
I don't want to play them in preseason if we are going to play them in the regular season.

BigBull17
03-23-2010, 01:14 AM
I want no part of the Cowboys twice.

Every time they come to Reliant, their fans as a group are donkeys. I have been threatened twice by Cowboy fans mostly because 1. I dared to wear Texans clothes at the Texans home stadium; 2. they were drunk a-holes. It wasn't because their teams lost because usually they lost after I was assaulted or nearly assaulted.

This time I'm not playing. I will totally narc a Cowboy fan on the narc text line if they give me any sort of trouble in my direction. Even though the Texans win, I really do not like the Cowboy fan behavior at Reliant.

Cowboy fans are some of the worst. My buddy has a card shop and I have been over there when he and I have almost came to blows with Cowpatty fans who run off at the mouth and think it's ok to threaten us or his other customers in the shop. It's actually kind of sad. Not many are actually cool. Steeler fans are for the most part just too cocky, not as a-holeish.

SheTexan
03-23-2010, 01:29 AM
I want no part of the Cowboys twice.

Every time they come to Reliant, their fans as a group are donkeys. I have been threatened twice by Cowboy fans mostly because 1. I dared to wear Texans clothes at the Texans home stadium; 2. they were drunk a-holes. It wasn't because their teams lost because usually they lost after I was assaulted or nearly assaulted.

This time I'm not playing. I will totally narc a Cowboy fan on the narc text line if they give me any sort of trouble in my direction. Even though the Texans win, I really do not like the Cowboy fan behavior at Reliant.

DITTO!!!! Once is enough!

ArTex
03-23-2010, 02:21 AM
Holy HECK. My password hasnt worked in 2 years, NOR did the password reset option? :headhurts: Now it randomly let me change the password. Once Casserly left town, he took my site membership with him!! lol

Not that it matters to anyone or anything here, just strange...I guess welcome myself back. Hope many posts can follow...



I VERY briefly went to Cowboys training camp in Oxnard, CA years ago for the heck of it. Even here in another state Cowboys fans are dillholes. You'd figure there'd be some dillhole dilution the further out they are, but nope.

powerfuldragon
03-23-2010, 02:33 AM
the problem with the chronicle is that any common abbreviation i see of it (chron, chronic, whatever) always steers the mind towards some blessed botanical. that's no good because what i'm gonna read will ALWAYS be a disappointment.

what i'm trying to say is that our local print paper sucks and it's been in this miasmic state since The Houston Post died. a lack of competition can do terrible things to a voice.

Drew_Smoke
03-23-2010, 08:11 AM
If there are any fans less knowledgable than Cowboy fan I don't know who they are.

Craig.
03-23-2010, 08:21 AM
Not this again...

Look, not all of us are like that. When I first joined this board I posted a thread about how I got a taste of what y'all were talking about but 3/4 Cowboys fans in attendance for that game were just there to root on their team, talk a little smack, and have fun.

Just like everyone else in the stadium.

Don't paint all Cowboys fans with the same broad brush. Especially the ones tailgating with you wearing the Schaub jersey and NFC East Champions hat ;)

The worst fans I have encountered to date are Niners fans. Waaay more *********gery than anything I saw from the drunkest of 'Boys fans.

BigBull17
03-23-2010, 08:24 AM
Not this again...

Look, not all of us are like that. When I first joined this board I posted a thread about how I got a taste of what y'all were talking about but 3/4 Cowboys fans in attendance for that game were just there to root on their team, talk a little smack, and have fun.

Just like everyone else in the stadium.

Don't paint all Cowboys fans with the same broad brush. Especially the ones tailgating with you wearing the Schaub jersey and NFC Champions hat ;)

The worst fans I have encountered to date are Niners fans. Waaay more *********gery than anything I saw from the drunkest of 'Boys fans.

Not saying all Cowturd fans are like this, just alot of them.

TEXANS84
03-23-2010, 08:31 AM
Pass.

I'd almost rather play the Buccaneers again in the pre-season instead of the Cowboys twice in one year.

IDEXAN
03-23-2010, 08:36 AM
C'mon fellas we got bigger fish to fry here.
It amazes me how badly a lot of people in Houston want to beat the Cowboys.
I believe there's Texans fans who would trade a sweep of Indy for a single win
against the non-division/non-conference opponent Dallas ?
Let's get our prioritys straight, the teams we really should want and need to beat the most are AFC South teams and most of all the Colts, otherwise we're never going to make it to the playoffs.

NitroGSXR
03-23-2010, 08:43 AM
If there are any fans less knowledgable than Cowboy fan I don't know who they are.

HoustonFrog? He's a decent one. I like him ok.

Kaiser Toro
03-23-2010, 08:51 AM
Love it, time to make some money back on this putrid investment to date.

BigBull17
03-23-2010, 09:18 AM
C'mon fellas we got bigger fish to fry here.
It amazes me how badly a lot of people in Houston want to beat the Cowboys.
I believe there's Texans fans who would trade a sweep of Indy for a single win
against the non-division/non-conference opponent Dallas ?
Let's get our prioritys straight, the teams we really should want and need to beat the most are AFC South teams and most of all the Colts, otherwise we're never going to make it to the playoffs.

I hate the Colts, and want nothing more than to sweep them and the TicTacks. The Jags last year were an aberation, we own them. I, for one, just also really hate Cowpatties. Is it too much to ask for 6-0 in AFC South AND a win vs the Brokeback Mountain gang?

HoustonFrog
03-23-2010, 09:20 AM
Not this again...

Look, not all of us are like that. When I first joined this board I posted a thread about how I got a taste of what y'all were talking about but 3/4 Cowboys fans in attendance for that game were just there to root on their team, talk a little smack, and have fun.

Just like everyone else in the stadium.

Don't paint all Cowboys fans with the same broad brush. Especially the ones tailgating with you wearing the Schaub jersey and NFC East Champions hat ;)

The worst fans I have encountered to date are Niners fans. Waaay more *********gery than anything I saw from the drunkest of 'Boys fans.


Agree. I've seen this stuff over and over and I've yet to see it in my lifetime. I've also have seen 20 times worse with Philly fan, Skins fan and many others against the Cowboys because, as many people know, there are alot of "haters." Still no full out fights. A few morons does not make a fanbase. I see many jackass Texans fans and no one calls them out. I'm told they are "spirited." I think this stuff goes too far on every fanbase.

If there are any fans less knowledgable than Cowboy fan I don't know who they are.

Are you serious? Have you listened to sports radio here? The reason why I love this board is you get the actual best of the best when it comes to talking sports. The people here are nice and know sports. If you listen to sports radio calls in town it is enough to make you want to end it all. Houston isn't really known for sports fandom. I know more of the Cowboy ilk that can go through their history and every player since the 70s and talk game day better than most. Just like people here.

Again, let's stop with the generalizations based on a few.

FirstTexansFan
03-23-2010, 09:29 AM
Agree. I've seen this stuff over and over and I've yet to see it in my lifetime. I've also have seen 20 times worse with Philly fan, Skins fan and many others against the Cowboys. A few morons does not make a fanbase. I see many jackass Texans fans and no one calls them out. I'm told they are "spirited." I think this stuff goes too far.



Are you serious? Have you listened to sports radio here? The reason why I love this board is you get the actual best of the best when it comes to talking sports. The people here are nice and know sports. If you listen to sports radio calls in town it is enough to make you want to end it all. I know more of the Cowboy ilk that can go through their history and every player since the 70s and talk game day better than most.

Again, let's stop with the generalizations based on a few.

Not sure why you insist upon defending your fanbase... TC ain't lying, I'm not lying, and I'm sure others aren't exaggerating either... I extend an invite to any decent Cowboy fan to come spend a day with me.. Leave your paraphernalia at home, and wear Texans gear, I promise before our trip out in the public is done, you'll be assaulted verbally over and over by those "Few"... you'll find they aren't few, but many :) The "Few" are you, and those that post here, not the majority of Cowboy fans Frog.. promise :)

Dread-Head
03-23-2010, 09:39 AM
Scrwe it...they snubbed us LAST year in the pre-season. We should return the favor and beat te dog p:ss out of them in the regular season game this year.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2010, 09:42 AM
Not sure why you insist upon defending your fanbase... TC ain't lying, I'm not lying, and I'm sure others aren't exaggerating either... I extend an invite to any decent Cowboy fan to come spend a day with me.. Leave your paraphernalia at home, and wear Texans gear, I promise before our trip out in the public is done, you'll be assaulted verbally over and over by those "Few"... you'll find they aren't few, but many :) The "Few" are you, and those that post here, not the majority of Cowboy fans Frog.. promise :)

My man....I grew up in Ft. Worth. I've gone to Cowboy games off and on for 30 years. I've seen the worst of rivalries. In all that time I've yet to see people assaulted....physically... from Cowboy fans. Yet I've seen dangerous objects thrown from Philly fans and other division fans. I've also been to sports bars here where I was given unmitigated hell for being a Cowboy fan. I call it trash talking. Some here might call it verbally abusive. I'm sorry, I don't go to every Texans game and have been to maybe 8 total since they were here but I've yet to see any of this. I'm not calling anyones experiences fake or calling TC or you a liar. I'm just saying that these people do not make a whole. I'm sorry that TC went through what she went through but some of the other stories I have heard in my 5 years here on this board don't warrant a thing. It is sensitive people taking trash talking seriously. Even Texans fans here have told me that the fanbase can be sensitive to criticism. I've seen the same thing from Texans fans towards the Cowboys...venom. Again, over 35 years in a fan base and I promise you the people you see are a few. There are jackasses in every fanbase. I've seen them here and I've seen my own and others. I defend the fanbase because I've seen it much more than a few trips here or in a few bars in Houston. Heck the most abusive fan I've seen in Houston is Steeler fan. I've been in BW3 on many occassions where Steeler fan has been drunk and yelling at people. Most laugh at them because they look like spewing morons. Heck I even wrote the ***** radio host in San Antonio that was an obnoxious Cowboy fan and told him he was embarassing.

FirstTexansFan
03-23-2010, 09:52 AM
My man....I grew up in Ft. Worth. I've gone to Cowboy games off and on for 30 years. In all that time I've yet to see people assaulted from Cowboy fans. Some here might call it verbally abusive. I'm sorry, I don't go to every Texans game and have been to maybe 8 total since they were here but I've yet to see any of this. I'm not calling anyones experiences fake or calling TC or you a liar. I'm just saying that a few of these people does not make a whole. I'm sorry that TC went through what she went through but some of the other stories I have heard in my 5 years here don't warrant a thing. It is sensitive people taking trash talking seriously. I've seen the same thing from Texans fans. Again, over 35 years in a fan base and I promise you the people you see are a few. There are jackasses in every fanbase. I've seen them here and I've seen my own and others.

There is a difference between trash talking, and a threat Frog, fans from outside the Metroplex (i.e. Houston, San Antonio, Austin, etc.) don't behave in the same fashion. My guess, it's like penis envy, they can't live in the Metroplex because they lack the education or IQ, so they must act like total blithering morons to compensate for their inadequacies? :)

P.S. I guess I wonder why you act as if my assault of your fan base is an affront to yourself... I go out of my way to be cordial to all the fans that post here, regardless of team loyalties :)

HOU-TEX
03-23-2010, 09:53 AM
Who cares? Honestly, I don't even think I pay attention to anything but evaluating our own players during pre-season games. It's always nice to get a W, but it matters not who our opponents are in those 4 games. To me anyways

HoustonFrog
03-23-2010, 10:00 AM
There is a difference between trash talking, and a threat Frog, fans from outside the Metroplex (i.e. Houston, San Antonio, Austin, etc.) don't behave in the same fashion. My guess, it's like penis envy, they can't live in the Metroplex because they lack the education or IQ, so they must act like total blithering morons to compensate for their inadequacies? :)

P.S. I guess I wonder why you act as if my assault of your fan base is an affront to yourself... I go out of my way to be cordial to all the fans that post here, regardless of team loyalties :)

No harm taken. I'm not taking this personally. You have been very cool...well except for penis envy comments :). That usually goes the other way here..lol. I'm just explaining it from seeing my side and saying that I've seen alot of stuff from many fanbases. From my experience in my own fanbase and from what I've seen living here for 17 years, I've yet to see too much stuff except people don't like us. In fact, to be truthful, another great Cowboy fan, WWJD, and I were saying that Cowboy fans usually are pretty docile. I mean the new stadium is great but the old stadium and all wasn't what you would call a great homefield advantage when it came to crowd noise, etc. or rowdiness.

NitroGSXR
03-23-2010, 10:28 AM
No harm taken. I'm not taking this personally. You have been very cool...well except for penis envy comments :). That usually goes the other way here..lol. I'm just explaining it from seeing my side and saying that I've seen alot of stuff from many fanbases. From my experience in my own fanbase and from what I've seen living here for 17 years, I've yet to see too much stuff except people don't like us. In fact, to be truthful, another great Cowboy fan, WWJD, and I were saying that Cowboy fans usually are pretty docile. I mean the new stadium is great but the old stadium and all wasn't what you would call a great homefield advantage when it came to crowd noise, etc. or rowdiness.

I think the problem is that the Cowgirls have a lot of bandwagoners because they were America's team for so long. I personally believe the bandwagoners are generally the ones who misrepresent their fanbases poorly. In the past few years, there have been some really obnoxious Patriot fans out on the internet. When teams win... fansbases grow and you start to notice the dingleberries out there that cause problems.

BIG TORO
03-23-2010, 10:39 AM
There is nothing better than two chances to kick some cowgirl ass, and drive romo in the dirt!

WWJD
03-23-2010, 10:42 AM
I think the problem is that the Cowgirls have a lot of bandwagoners because they were America's team for so long. I personally believe the bandwagoners are generally the ones who misrepresent their fanbases poorly. In the past few years, there have been some really obnoxious Patriot fans out on the internet. When teams win... fansbases grow and you start to notice the dingleberries out there that cause problems.

Perhaps. But the Cowboys sell out every home game and have a huge national following. That's hardly "bandwagon" fans. It's been that way for years.

Part of it is just flat out great marketing. Jerry takes them to California (and Tex did as well) for training camp. So over the years they've built up a fanbase in California. They do the San Antonio camp. You get more fans there by having the product out there where people can go and see.

Jerry is masterful when it comes to marketing. Tex was as well. That's how you get fans. Get the team OUT THERE. It's not just about winning always.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2010, 10:42 AM
I think the problem is that the Cowgirls have a lot of bandwagoners because they were America's team for so long. I personally believe the bandwagoners are generally the ones who misrepresent their fanbases poorly. In the past few years, there have been some really obnoxious Patriot fans out on the internet. When teams win... fansbases grow and you start to notice the dingleberries out there that cause problems.

Some of it is Youth. Many of the long time Cowboy fans that I have seen or been around..say the 70s on...are usually good fans. You have some that only know the 90s teams and in this day and age we have info overload, message boards, etc so you get some mouthy people. Not saying all young fans are bad. I just think there is alot more trash talking the last couple of decades. Again, I've seen it in most fanbases and just chalk it up to the minority.

NitroGSXR
03-23-2010, 10:52 AM
Perhaps. But the Cowboys sell out every home game and have a huge national following. That's hardly "bandwagon" fans. It's been that way for years.

Part of it is just flat out great marketing. Jerry takes them to California (and Tex did as well) for training camp. So over the years they've built up a fanbase in California. They do the San Antonio camp. You get more fans there by having the product out there where people can go and see.

Jerry is masterful when it comes to marketing. Tex was as well. That's how you get fans. Get the team OUT THERE. It's not just about winning always.

I have no idea what it's like at texas stadium. I would imagine it to be the same as any team's homebase, ours included. my experiences are limited to the internet and opposing fans. maybe bandwagoners is the wrong word but people who like football but donlt really have a team to get behind, so they jump on the winners at that time.

NitroGSXR
03-23-2010, 10:54 AM
Some of it is Youth. Many of the long time Cowboy fans that I have seen or been around..say the 70s on...are usually good fans. You have some that only know the 90s teams and in this day and age we have info overload, message boards, etc so you get some mouthy people. Not saying all young fans are bad. I just think there is alot more trash talking the last couple of decades. Again, I've seen it in most fanbases and just chalk it up to the minority.

Agreed. Also people are dumber than they used to be.

WWJD
03-23-2010, 10:57 AM
I have no idea what it's like at texas stadium. I would imagine it to be the same as any team's homebase, ours included. my experiences are limited to the internet and opposing fans. maybe bandwagoners is the wrong word but people who like football but donlt really have a team to get behind, so they jump on the winners at that time.

Texas Stadium was known for being "quiet" when I was going to games. You didn't have to worry if you were the opposing team about having batteries thrown at you or anything else. The new stadium is much louder but there is a new breed of NFL fans as well from my days.



I'm priced out of sports live nowadays but I'm not so sure I really would want to go anyway. Contending with drunks and having people talk trash to me isn't really my idea of a fun day.

I just watch at home.

BigBull17
03-23-2010, 11:49 AM
Agree. I've seen this stuff over and over and I've yet to see it in my lifetime. I've also have seen 20 times worse with Philly fan, Skins fan and many others against the Cowboys because, as many people know, there are alot of "haters." Still no full out fights. A few morons does not make a fanbase. I see many jackass Texans fans and no one calls them out. I'm told they are "spirited." I think this stuff goes too far on every fanbase.



Are you serious? Have you listened to sports radio here? The reason why I love this board is you get the actual best of the best when it comes to talking sports. The people here are nice and know sports. If you listen to sports radio calls in town it is enough to make you want to end it all. Houston isn't really known for sports fandom. I know more of the Cowboy ilk that can go through their history and every player since the 70s and talk game day better than most. Just like people here.

Again, let's stop with the generalizations based on a few.

God, it's awful ain't it?

TexansBlood
03-23-2010, 02:55 PM
Bring those Cowgirls twice this year, I'm ready mentally and physically:superman:

dalemurphy
03-23-2010, 03:33 PM
Perhaps. But the Cowboys sell out every home game and have a huge national following. That's hardly "bandwagon" fans. It's been that way for years.

Part of it is just flat out great marketing. Jerry takes them to California (and Tex did as well) for training camp. So over the years they've built up a fanbase in California. They do the San Antonio camp. You get more fans there by having the product out there where people can go and see.

Jerry is masterful when it comes to marketing. Tex was as well. That's how you get fans. Get the team OUT THERE. It's not just about winning always.

Of course there are all type of fans that root for any/all the teams. That being said, each fan base does exhibit certain characteristics. Certainly it can be said that Philadelphia fans and Cleveland fans (as a group) are different than Seattle or Green Bay fans. Some of it is cultural and some of it grows from within its own subculture. The Cowboy fan subculture is obnoxious and arrogant at least partly because of their history of winning. Also, they learned to embrace brash and often loud heroes. So, Cowboy fans tend to revel and participate in that kind of behavior more than a Packer fan, for instance.

I was a Cowboy fan for 25 years. They are an awful combination of arrogant, obnoxious, and ignorant fans. It irritated the heck out of me when I was among them and it certainly irritates me as a Texan fan.

To be fair, I'm not trying to take cheap shots at Cowboy fans. Truth is, I'm quite frustrated with the Texan fanbase as well. Texan fans are also an ignorant fanbase. I'm not sure why NFL fans in Texas aren't more educated football fans. But, it is true!

WWJD
03-23-2010, 04:17 PM
Of course there are all type of fans that root for any/all the teams. That being said, each fan base does exhibit certain characteristics. Certainly it can be said that Philadelphia fans and Cleveland fans (as a group) are different than Seattle or Green Bay fans. Some of it is cultural and some of it grows from within its own subculture. The Cowboy fan subculture is obnoxious and arrogant at least partly because of their history of winning. Also, they learned to embrace brash and often loud heroes. So, Cowboy fans tend to revel and participate in that kind of behavior more than a Packer fan, for instance.

I was a Cowboy fan for 25 years. They are an awful combination of arrogant, obnoxious, and ignorant fans. It irritated the heck out of me when I was among them and it certainly irritates me as a Texan fan.

To be fair, I'm not trying to take cheap shots at Cowboy fans. Truth is, I'm quite frustrated with the Texan fanbase as well. Texan fans are also an ignorant fanbase. I'm not sure why NFL fans in Texas aren't more educated football fans. But, it is true!


I'm about as low key a Cowboys fan as one can find and I went to their games for 20+ years..Super Bowls and all. Can't say it any better than Frog has so I just won't but I realize people see things the way they do and generally you, me or God isn't going to change that opinion.



I've always felt the Packers had the best and most loyal fanbase. Back when I had Cowboys season tickets I felt that way and I still do.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2010, 04:56 PM
Of course there are all type of fans that root for any/all the teams. That being said, each fan base does exhibit certain characteristics. Certainly it can be said that Philadelphia fans and Cleveland fans (as a group) are different than Seattle or Green Bay fans. Some of it is cultural and some of it grows from within its own subculture. The Cowboy fan subculture is obnoxious and arrogant at least partly because of their history of winning. Also, they learned to embrace brash and often loud
heroes. So, Cowboy fans tend to revel and participate in that kind of behavior more than a Packer fan, for instance.

I was a Cowboy fan for 25 years. They are an awful combination of arrogant, obnoxious, and ignorant fans. It irritated the heck out of me when I was among them and it certainly irritates me as a Texan fan.

To be fair, I'm not trying to take cheap shots at Cowboy fans. Truth is, I'm quite frustrated with the Texan fanbase as well. Texan fans are also an ignorant fanbase. I'm not sure why NFL fans in Texas aren't more educated football fans. But, it is true!

Diagree on alot of this..Most old time Cowboy fans embrace Roger Staubach, Bob Lily, Randy White, Drew Pearson, Cliff Harris, Charlie Waters, Leroy Jordan, etc, etc. Even on the 90s teams most people gravitated towards Troy, Emmitt, Darren Woodson, etc. Your comment is just plain off the mark and an horrible genralization. I mean Landry was the leader and there was nothing brash, cocky or loud about him. Someone like Hollywood Henderson was an exception.

As far as the fans. Most of the people I hung out with and still do to this day played football and talked football quite intelligently. That doesn't make my experiences any more meaningful than any other smaller group but that doesn't make a fanbase arrogant or obnoxious or ignorant. Just like I find many on this board intelligent and fun to talk to but I find the general Houston sports fan as pretty ignorant at times, as you said.

Again, I find the "generalizations" more disturbing than anything because I'm not sure what 25 years you cheered but you hung out with some different fans and saw some different heros. I'll leave it at that. No more bait for me.

Texans_Chick
03-23-2010, 06:18 PM
My man....I grew up in Ft. Worth. I've gone to Cowboy games off and on for 30 years. I've seen the worst of rivalries. In all that time I've yet to see people assaulted....physically... from Cowboy fans. Yet I've seen dangerous objects thrown from Philly fans and other division fans. I've also been to sports bars here where I was given unmitigated hell for being a Cowboy fan. I call it trash talking. Some here might call it verbally abusive. I'm sorry, I don't go to every Texans game and have been to maybe 8 total since they were here but I've yet to see any of this. I'm not calling anyones experiences fake or calling TC or you a liar. I'm just saying that these people do not make a whole. I'm sorry that TC went through what she went through but some of the other stories I have heard in my 5 years here on this board don't warrant a thing. It is sensitive people taking trash talking seriously. Even Texans fans here have told me that the fanbase can be sensitive to criticism. I've seen the same thing from Texans fans towards the Cowboys...venom. Again, over 35 years in a fan base and I promise you the people you see are a few. There are jackasses in every fanbase. I've seen them here and I've seen my own and others. I defend the fanbase because I've seen it much more than a few trips here or in a few bars in Houston. Heck the most abusive fan I've seen in Houston is Steeler fan. I've been in BW3 on many occassions where Steeler fan has been drunk and yelling at people. Most laugh at them because they look like spewing morons. Heck I even wrote the ***** radio host in San Antonio that was an obnoxious Cowboy fan and told him he was embarassing.


That's why I took pains to say that as a group, I do not like when Cowboy fans are in Reliant Stadium

Even in this thread, a Cowboy fan says that he just wants to go to games to talk a little smack. Problem with that is when drunk people are in proximity, that smack talk sometimes turns into physical stuff, or the time a drunk Cowboy fan started F-bombing me and I was wondering if he was going to hit me until another fan intervened physically.

There is an etiquette to being a fan in an opponents' stadium. You are a guest. Don't act like a donkey. It doesn't involve junk talking, verbally or physically assaulting home fans. Cowboy fans as a group do not get that.

Craig.
03-23-2010, 06:58 PM
Even in this thread, a Cowboy fan says that he just wants to go to games to talk a little smack.

Who said that?

JB
03-23-2010, 07:05 PM
Who said that?

I think she was talking about this
3/4 Cowboys fans in attendance for that game were just there to root on their team, talk a little smack, and have fun.

awtysst
03-23-2010, 07:12 PM
Some explain to me why we play the Bucs EVERY year?

Texans_Chick
03-23-2010, 07:37 PM
Some explain to me why we play the Bucs EVERY year?

Gain some confidence?

Norg
03-23-2010, 08:06 PM
Last year was cool and not cool playing close in kc was good but the weather was bad

playing minn and seeing Brett farve was cool and playing the NFC championship teams was A good test minny and new Orleans

Norg
03-23-2010, 08:08 PM
I think we play the bucs because there close to us

New Orleans is close to and we train with them

So if that's the case we should play Dallas every year

Maybe even kc and st louis has well

JB
03-23-2010, 08:09 PM
Last year was cool and not cool playing close in kc was good but the weather was bad

Wow, I almost understood that...

Texan_Bill
03-23-2010, 08:24 PM
Wow, I almost understood that...

I didn't come close. :choke:

WWJD
03-23-2010, 08:46 PM
I understood every word he posted. I'm just not sure about them all together...:thinking:

NitroGSXR
03-23-2010, 08:56 PM
Gain some confidence?

:lol:

Must spread...

StarStruck
03-23-2010, 09:38 PM
That's why I took pains to say that as a group, I do not like when Cowboy fans are in Reliant Stadium

Even in this thread, a Cowboy fan says that he just wants to go to games to talk a little smack. Problem with that is when drunk people are in proximity, that smack talk sometimes turns into physical stuff, or the time a drunk Cowboy fan started F-bombing me and I was wondering if he was going to hit me until another fan intervened physically.

There is an etiquette to being a fan in an opponents' stadium. You are a guest. Don't act like a donkey. It doesn't involve junk talking, verbally or physically assaulting home fans. Cowboy fans as a group do not get that.

I really understand where you're coming from because I felt the same way when Texans fans came to Texas Stadium. Of course, not all, but there was a certain level of rudeness, obnoxiousness, and the boos were so loud the first pre-season game in Dallas when Jerry Jones appeared on the jumbotron, that the fans around me were were in a look of total confusion and disbelief.

I don't think it's difficult to sometimes overlook some of our own behavior and focus the spotlight on our rivals. But, truth be told, given the number of Cowboys fans that come to Cowboys games at Reliant, if Bob McNair would have been shown on the jumbo screen and the fans in force had given a resounding boo throughout the stadium, that game probably wouldn't have been delayed, and personally as a Cowboys fan I would be ashamed.

I think that it's unfortunate on both ends that a game brings out such poor sportsmanship and behavior that has been demonstrated on both ends. I do look forward to the upcoming one or two games that will be played here this year, and am fortunate that the Texans fans and I in my section have becoming pretty good football buddies, so I won't have to worry about ice or beer being poured on me when I show up in my Cowboys gear. We have really had some good times at the Cowboys/Texans games. I guess I'm blessed to have been assigned the seats that I have.

JB
03-23-2010, 09:43 PM
I really understand where you're coming from because I felt the same way when Texans fans came to Texas Stadium. Of course, not all, but there was a certain level of rudeness, obnoxiousness, and the boos were so loud the first pre-season game in Dallas when Jerry Jones appeared on the jumbotron, that the fans around me were were in a look of total confusion and disbelief.

I don't think it's difficult to sometimes overlook some of our own behavior and focus the spotlight on our rivals. But, truth be told, given the number of Cowboys fans that come to Cowboys games at Reliant, if Bob McNair would have been shown on the jumbo screen and the fans in force had given a resounding boo throughout the stadium, that game probably wouldn't have been delayed, and personally as a Cowboys fan I would be ashamed.

I think that it's unfortunate on both ends that a game brings out such poor sportsmanship and behavior that has been demonstrated on both ends. I do look forward to the upcoming one or two games that will be played here this year, and am fortunate that the Texans fans and I in my section have becoming pretty good football buddies, so I won't have to worry about ice or beer being poured on me when I show up in my Cowboys gear. We have really had some good times at the Cowboys/Texans games. I guess I'm blessed to have been assigned the seats that I have.

Good Post! I think that there is, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, a big brother/little brother relationship. Because the cities are so close, fans tend to think not as much about being a guest in someone else's house.

gwallaia
03-23-2010, 09:45 PM
Cowboys, meh. Bring on the Buccaneers for the pre-season!:splits:

Craig.
03-23-2010, 10:07 PM
I think she was talking about this

I was right. Nobody said that. Just checking. :)

Texan_Bill
03-23-2010, 10:07 PM
Cowboys, meh. Bring on the Buccaneers for the pre-season!:splits:

Yup!!! I agree. In fact I like their fans. I've been a member of thecaptainsdeck.com message board for a few years.... Good folks!

Texans_Chick
03-23-2010, 10:24 PM
Yup!!! I agree. In fact I like their fans. I've been a member of thecaptainsdeck.com message board for a few years.... Good folks!

They have great fans there. I did a guest podcast for them one year. Good people, but I don't like any of the moves they've done post-Gruden. I feel bad for their fans.

Texans_Chick
03-23-2010, 10:33 PM
I really understand where you're coming from because I felt the same way when Texans fans came to Texas Stadium. Of course, not all, but there was a certain level of rudeness, obnoxiousness, and the boos were so loud the first pre-season game in Dallas when Jerry Jones appeared on the jumbotron, that the fans around me were were in a look of total confusion and disbelief.

I don't think it's difficult to sometimes overlook some of our own behavior and focus the spotlight on our rivals. But, truth be told, given the number of Cowboys fans that come to Cowboys games at Reliant, if Bob McNair would have been shown on the jumbo screen and the fans in force had given a resounding boo throughout the stadium, that game probably wouldn't have been delayed, and personally as a Cowboys fan I would be ashamed.

I think that it's unfortunate on both ends that a game brings out such poor sportsmanship and behavior that has been demonstrated on both ends. I do look forward to the upcoming one or two games that will be played here this year, and am fortunate that the Texans fans and I in my section have becoming pretty good football buddies, so I won't have to worry about ice or beer being poured on me when I show up in my Cowboys gear. We have really had some good times at the Cowboys/Texans games. I guess I'm blessed to have been assigned the seats that I have.


I guess it is the Numbers of Cowboy Fans + The Obnoxiousness Level of Them as a Group = Really Unpleasant Game Day Experience.

Some visiting fans as a group are cool. And some are mouthy. I have never been verbally or physically assaulted at a game other than when the Texans faced the Cowboys. The first time at a preseason game, I got f-bombed and the guy got in my face screaming things. The second time, also at a preseason game, a guy grabbed me and shook me and I should have put the yellow shirts on him.

I do not look forward to when the Texans play the Cowboys at Reliant one bit. I know it is not your fault, or the fault of Cowboy fans who have manners and/or don't get stinking, nasty drunk.

But I'm not looking forward to two of those games this season. I don't like confrontation, and I don't like poor manners. I just want to go to my home stadium and enjoy watching a football game.

StarStruck
03-23-2010, 10:42 PM
I do not look forward to when the Texans play the Cowboys at Reliant one bit. I know it is not your fault, or the fault of Cowboy fans who have manners and/or don't get stinking, nasty drunk.

But I'm not looking forward to two of those games this season. I don't like confrontation, and I don't like poor manners. I just want to go to my home stadium and enjoy watching a football game.

LOL, I guess we have more similarities on this issue than differences since I stopped short of saying I dread the Texans visit next year and wonder if we need to hide the china.:ahhaha:

Texan_Bill
03-23-2010, 11:03 PM
They have great fans there. I did a guest podcast for them one year. Good people, but I don't like any of the moves they've done post-Gruden. I feel bad for their fans.

Agreed. They're not all that happy either. That said, they've been pretty supportive of what we've gone through.

AND, I remember the podcast you did. Several of their members turned me on to your interview. I think it was podcast on "What the Buc".....

HoustonFrog
03-24-2010, 09:31 AM
I guess it is the Numbers of Cowboy Fans + The Obnoxiousness Level of Them as a Group = Really Unpleasant Game Day Experience.

Some visiting fans as a group are cool. And some are mouthy. I have never been verbally or physically assaulted at a game other than when the Texans faced the Cowboys. The first time at a preseason game, I got f-bombed and the guy got in my face screaming things. The second time, also at a preseason game, a guy grabbed me and shook me and I should have put the yellow shirts on him.

I do not look forward to when the Texans play the Cowboys at Reliant one bit. I know it is not your fault, or the fault of Cowboy fans who have manners and/or don't get stinking, nasty drunk.

But I'm not looking forward to two of those games this season. I don't like confrontation, and I don't like poor manners. I just want to go to my home stadium and enjoy watching a football game.

Sorry for your experience. That sucks.

I have seen some crazy stuff from NFC East opponents too. Heck my brother works for the Boys and their group was at the Eagles game last year and had to be escorted out near the end. Guards told them not to stare at people. Serioulsy.

When I went to the Minny/Cowboy playoff game this past year in Minny, their fans were very cool. The guy next to me with his son actually talked alot but most of the ribbing was in good fun. He grabbed me near the end and shook me but he was playing around. Though I really don't like being touched. An angry person doing it might have been a different story for me.

Though I'm not sure what you meant earlier with the statement "as a group", again, I'm sorry you have dealt with the bad fans. I'm assuming you mean you just have a bad feeling when that certain fanbase shows up. Unfortunately, as I said earlier, I think we are in a time when "talking smack" is what many fans chose to do. I've heard some here say they have tried to pick fights with Cowboy fans at Texas Stadium, etc. That sucks if that is a person's intention.

infantrycak
03-24-2010, 11:04 AM
Though I'm not sure what you meant earlier with the statement "as a group", again, I'm sorry you have dealt with the bad fans. I'm assuming you mean you just have a bad feeling when that certain fanbase shows up.

I think she meant a higher percentage of Cowboys fans act out toward Texans fans than other teams' fans. That isn't a reflection on any individual but as a group. Very well may be the opposite could be said as well. Not surprising. The most natural hostilities are the AFC South with the Titans heading the list as the former Houston team, then Dallas as an in-state rival and then maybe the old Oiler rivals.

If I am not dressed up I have Texans logo stuff on of some type probably 60% of the time and I haven't encountered anything other than good natured ribbing from Cowboy fans. But a couple bad encounters can certainly shape a person's opinion.

HoustonFrog
03-24-2010, 11:09 AM
I think she meant a higher percentage of Cowboys fans act out toward Texans fans than other teams' fans. That isn't a reflection on any individual but as a group. Very well may be the opposite could be said as well. Not surprising. The most natural hostilities are the AFC South with the Titans heading the list as the former Houston team, then Dallas as an in-state rival and then maybe the old Oiler rivals.

If I am not dressed up I have Texans logo stuff on of some type probably 60% of the time and I haven't encountered anything other than good natured ribbing from Cowboy fans. But a couple bad encounters can certainly shape a person's opinion.

Without a doubt. I think that is why I have been trying to explain my experiences and side to the story. I don't want maybe 10 drunks with bad intentions or whatever people have experienced to represent a fanbase when I've seen the good to it.

since02
03-24-2010, 01:12 PM
Hello everyone new guy here.. just wanted to put in my two cents into the thread..

I will never forget one time I was in Killeen (FT.Hood) it was on a sunday afternoon after all of the games were over for the day and I and my wife and kid were driving through town on our way home.

TEXANS had just won so im proudly flying my colors on my window flags and of course the stickers on my truck screaming loud and proud..

When up next to me a suburban pulls up with a couple in the front seats two cowgirl jersey wearing fans... and the cowgirls had just lost the afternoon game...

when i look over and she is glaring at me with a face of disgust... I look forward and pay no attention.. I glance again one more time and shes still glaring at me then I have no idea what she is thinking but she flips me the bird!!!!
Im not saying all Cowgirl fans are like this but to me most of them are (from my experiences)... they are rude and arrogant... cocky and full of themselves... If someone is from dallas then I can respect the fact that they are cowgirls fans but someone who is not from that city I have no respect for those are primarily the people who ruin it for that entire fanbase..

Speedy
03-24-2010, 09:38 PM
Cowboys, meh. Bring on the Buccaneers for the pre-season!:splits:

Agreed!!! Because playing the Bucs in the pre-season means the way too long pre-season is over.

Texan_Bill
03-24-2010, 09:55 PM
Sorry for your experience. That sucks.

I have seen some crazy stuff from NFC East opponents too. Heck my brother works for the Boys and their group was at the Eagles game last year and had to be escorted out near the end. Guards told them not to stare at people. Serioulsy.

When I went to the Minny/Cowboy playoff game this past year in Minny, their fans were very cool. The guy next to me with his son actually talked alot but most of the ribbing was in good fun. He grabbed me near the end and shook me but he was playing around. Though I really don't like being touched. An angry person doing it might have been a different story for me.

Though I'm not sure what you meant earlier with the statement "as a group", again, I'm sorry you have dealt with the bad fans. I'm assuming you mean you just have a bad feeling when that certain fanbase shows up. Unfortunately, as I said earlier, I think we are in a time when "talking smack" is what many fans chose to do. I've heard some here say they have tried to pick fights with Cowboy fans at Texas Stadium, etc. That sucks if that is a person's intention.

You suck Frog!!!!... J/K my man.

You know how I feel about dullass in general, but you sir are, have been and always will be a class act. Thanks for all your contributions here on TT.