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kiwitexansfan
03-20-2010, 11:41 PM
Thought I would share this list I stumbled upon..

YEAR ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM NAME POSITION SCHOOL
2009 1 15(15) Texans Brian Cushing OLB USC
2009 2 14(46) Texans Connor Barwin DE Cincinnati
2009 3 13(77) Texans Antoine Caldwell C Alabama
2009 4 12(112) Texans Glover Quin S New Mexico
2009 4 22(122) Texans Anthony Hill TE North Carolina State
2009 5 16(152) Texans James Casey TE Rice
2009 6 15(188) Texans Brice McCain CB Utah
2009 7 14(223) Texans Troy Nolan S Arizona State
2008 1 26(26) Texans Duane Brown OT Virginia Tech
2008 3 16(79) Texans Antwaun Molden CB Eastern Kentucky
2008 3 26(89) Texans Steve Slaton RB West Virginia
2008 4 19(118) Texans Xavier Adibi OLB Virginia Tech
2008 5 16(151) Texans Frank Okam DT Texas
2008 6 7(173) Texans Dominique Barber S Minnesota
2008 7 16(223) Texans Alex Brink QB Washington State
2007 1 10(10) Texans Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
2007 3 9(73) Texans Jacoby Jones WR Lane
2007 4 24(123) Texans Fred Bennett DB South Carolina
2007 5 7(144) Texans Brandon Harrison DB Stanford
2007 5 26(163) Texans Brandon Frye OT Virginia Tech
2007 6 9(183) Texans Kasey Studdard OG Texas
2007 7 8(218) Texans Zach Diles LB Kansas State
2006 1 1(1) Texans Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
2006 2 1(33) Texans DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
2006 3 1(65) Texans Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh
2006 3 2(66) Texans Eric Winston OT Miami (FL)
2006 4 1(98) Texans Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
2006 6 1(170) Texans Wali Lundy RB Virginia
2006 7 43(251) Texans David Anderson WR Colorado State
2005 1 16(16) Texans Travis Johnson DE Florida State
2005 3 9(73) Texans Vernand Morency RB Oklahoma State
2005 4 13(114) Texans Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
2005 5 15(151) Texans Drew Hodgdon C Arizona State
2005 6 14(188) Texans Ceandris Brown DB Louisiana-Lafayette
2005 7 13(227) Texans Kenneth Pettway LB Grambling State
2004 1 10(10) Texans Dunta Robinson DB South Carolina
2004 1 27(27) Texans Jason Babin LB Western Michigan
2004 4 26(122) Texans Glenn Earl DB Notre Dame
2004 6 5(170) Texans Vontez Duff DB Notre Dame
2004 6 10(175) Texans Jammal Lord RB Nebraska
2004 6 35(200) Texans Charlie Anderson LB Mississippi
2004 7 9(210) Texans Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
2004 7 10(211) Texans Sloan Thomas WR Texas
2004 7 47(248) Texans B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
2003 1 3(3) Texans Andre Johnson WR Miami (FL)
2003 2 9(41) Texans Bennie Joppru TE Michigan
2003 3 3(67) Texans Antwan Peek LB Cincinnati
2003 3 11(75) Texans Seth Wand OT Northwest Missouri State
2003 3 24(88) Texans Dave Ragone QB Louisville
2003 4 4(101) Texans Domanick Davis RB LSU
2003 6 19(192) Texans Drew Henson QB Michigan
2003 6 41(214) Texans Keith Wright DT Missouri
2003 7 3(217) Texans Curry Burns DB Louisville
2003 7 19(233) Texans Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2002 1 1(1) Texans David Carr QB Fresno State
2002 2 1(33) Texans Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2002 2 18(50) Texans Chester Pitts OT San Diego State
2002 3 1(66) Texans Fred Weary OT Tennessee
2002 3 18(83) Texans Charles Hill DT Maryland
2002 4 1(99) Texans Jonathan Wells RB Ohio State
2002 5 1(136) Texans Jarrod Baxter RB New Mexico
2002 5 18(153) Texans Ramon Walker DB Pittsburgh
2002 6 1(173) Texans DeMarcus Faggins DB Kansas State
2002 6 18(190) Texans Howard Green DT LSU
2002 7 18(229) Texans Greg White DE Minnesota
2002 7 50(261) Texans Ahmad Miller DT UNLV

LINK (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/history?year=-1&round=-1&team=34)

DocBar
03-20-2010, 11:53 PM
It's hard to believe how bad the C/C era was in the draft.

redwhiteANDblue
03-21-2010, 12:53 AM
Wow I never noticed how well we did with the 2006 draft! 2008 was pathetic besides slaton

Scooter
03-21-2010, 07:26 AM
Wow I never noticed how well we did with the 2006 draft! 2008 was pathetic besides slaton

2006 is easily one of the best drafts ever (2 probowlers, 2 future probowlers, and 2 major contributers to a top 5 offense). the only miss is charles spencer who i'll argue forever as a hall of famer until his fluke career ending injury.

Lucky
03-21-2010, 09:53 AM
Wow I never noticed how well we did with the 2006 draft!
The Texans also gave up a 7th round pick as compensation for signing RFA Kevin Walter. It was an epic draft.

ObsiWan
03-21-2010, 12:16 PM
Wow I never noticed how well we did with the 2006 draft! 2008 was pathetic besides slaton

Not a fan of Duane Brown..???

IDEXAN
03-21-2010, 12:50 PM
Not a fan of Duane Brown..???
Brown is an adequate LT who will never be the Texans frachise player at that position, but he could excel as the teams LG and when the Texans are fortunate enough to find their franchise LT they should make the change.
Browns not a bust at all, but we can and need to do better at the all-important LT spot.

BSofA04
03-21-2010, 02:49 PM
2009 has a chance to be another great draft class (almost as good as 2006).

CloakNNNdagger
03-21-2010, 07:05 PM
Brown is an adequate LT who will never be the Texans frachise player at that position, but he could excel as the teams LG and when the Texans are fortunate enough to find their franchise LT they should make the change.
Browns not a bust at all, but we can and need to do better at the all-important LT spot.

Going after OTs gives the advantage of usually having a decent OG if they don't make the grade as an OT.

IDEXAN
03-21-2010, 07:34 PM
Going after OTs gives the advantage of usually having a decent OG if they don't make the grade as an OT.
OK I know this is corny, but to me it's like the OLine is the foundation of the house and the QB and all the skill positions, running backs and receivers, are the upstair floors.
The football game is won at the los. It's that simple.

steelbtexan
03-21-2010, 08:14 PM
OK I know this is corny, but to me it's like the OLine is the foundation of the house and the QB and all the skill positions, running backs and receivers, are the upstair floors.
The football game is won at the los. It's that simple.

Yeah

But a good OL cant overcome a QB.

Not that Texan fans have ever seen a good OL.

infantrycak
03-21-2010, 08:29 PM
Yeah

But a good OL cant overcome a QB.

Not that Texan fans have ever seen a good OL.

Well finally that isn't an issue for the Texans. Now it is building an OL to let the QB we have shine and hopefully with a balanced rushing attack.

BOLIO
03-21-2010, 08:37 PM
The 2005 made me throw up in my mouth... a lot!!!

kiwitexansfan
03-21-2010, 08:40 PM
The 2005 made me throw up in my mouth... a lot!!!

There was Mathis..... at least he made the probowl

The Pencil Neck
03-21-2010, 08:47 PM
OK I know this is corny, but to me it's like the OLine is the foundation of the house and the QB and all the skill positions, running backs and receivers, are the upstair floors.
The football game is won at the los. It's that simple.

It's a team game. A great offensive line can make a crappy running back look pretty good. A great running back can make a mediocre offensive line look good. A great QB can mask a lot of bad players.

OTOH, one bad player can ruin everything. A crappy QB can shut everything down. A crappy RB can shut everything down. One crappy lineman can shut everything down.

For the entire existence of this franchise, we've supposed to have building from the inside out. Just like I've always heard a good team is supposed to be built. We drafted Boselli and that was supposed to give us a franchise LT for many years. We picked up all these linemen that didn't work out. Then we got Kubiak and then Gibbs and the idea was that our scheme didn't require high draft pick RBs or high draft pick OL but we spent a first on an LT, 3 3rds on OL, and a 3rd on an RB.

Building our line first hasn't worked for a multitude of reasons. So lets try this the other way. Let's draft a RB high and OL in the middle and see if we can fix the whole shebang in one fell swoop. Let's see how that works out.

IDEXAN
03-21-2010, 09:47 PM
It's a team game. A great offensive line can make a crappy running back look pretty good. A great running back can make a mediocre offensive line look good. A great QB can mask a lot of bad players.

A great back can't run if there's no holes and a great QB can't complete passes if there's no time. And we're only marginal in the interior of the line and no more than average on the edges.

The Pencil Neck
03-21-2010, 10:42 PM
A great back can't run if there's no holes and a great QB can't complete passes if there's no time. And we're only marginal in the interior of the line and no more than average on the edges.

There's a huge difference between an marginal to average line and a line that's not making any holes or giving the QB any time. And that's the point. Our line opened a lot of holes last year that our backs didn't get through. Kubiak said so. There were other times when there wasn't much of a hole but a better back still would have picked up more yards.

If you're marginal in the interior and average on the edges, then a great back will have enough room to pick up yards on a lot of his carries.

That's the point. The better the running back, the less good the line has to be. The worse the running back, the better the line has to be. Let's say you've got a scale of 1-10 (1 is bad, 10 is incredible) and your line is a 3. If you've got a RB that's a 3 or a 4, you're not picking up much yards. But if you've got a RB that's a 9, you're going to get yards behind that same line. Granted, not as much as if the line is a 9 but still, some yards.

Frankly, I don't think our line is that bad. I think it's about a 5.

AND, upgrading the RB requires 1 pick. Upgrading an OL takes multiple picks. You want to upgrade the middle of our line to the point that it's fixed and none of our 3 interior linemen are up to snuff? You've got to change 3 positions and if those are 3 draft picks, well that's a lot of investment in one draft. Let's say you bring in 2 interior guys. They're probably going to take a couple of years to groom to the point that they're ready. And the line may take time to gel. Odds are, you draft these interior guys and the line's not going to be fixed until a few more years.

But running backs are notorious for being able start as rookies (as long as they can pick up blitzes.) So... you want a quick fix to the running game when you've got an average line? Pick a great RB.

steelbtexan
03-21-2010, 11:45 PM
I agree with you to a point. With as many holes as there are to be filled Smithiak should take the BPA to fill one of those holes. If a S is rated higher than a RB when you're picking you take the S.

Ther are no OL that will be available at 20 but if Thomas and Mathews are on the board at 20 I pick Thomas BPA. The dropoff between Thomas and say Mays is greater than the dropoff between Mathews and say Tate who I'm pretty sure can be drafted in the 2nd rd.

That's just my philosophy.

The Pencil Neck
03-22-2010, 12:31 AM
I agree with you to a point. With as many holes as there are to be filled Smithiak should take the BPA to fill one of those holes. If a S is rated higher than a RB when you're picking you take the S.

Ther are no OL that will be available at 20 but if Thomas and Mathews are on the board at 20 I pick Thomas BPA. The dropoff between Thomas and say Mays is greater than the dropoff between Mathews and say Tate who I'm pretty sure can be drafted in the 2nd rd.

That's just my philosophy.

Although I'd prefer Mathews, I'm fine with taking Tate in the 2nd if someone higher rated falls to us that we can't ignore. And actually, I expect the Chargers to move up to take Mathews before us and in that case, we'll have to make sure we grab Tate.

I just want the running game fixed and I don't want to continue this "draft a RB late" crap. I want a stud that can carry the load and blow some people up.

steelbtexan
03-22-2010, 12:41 AM
Although I'd prefer Mathews, I'm fine with taking Tate in the 2nd if someone higher rated falls to us that we can't ignore. And actually, I expect the Chargers to move up to take Mathews before us and in that case, we'll have to make sure we grab Tate.

I just want the running game fixed and I don't want to continue this "draft a RB late" crap. I want a stud that can carry the load and blow some people up.

Trust me we want the same thing.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they took a G (Asamoah) in the 2/3 rd.

The running game should be job 1. IMHO

IDEXAN
03-22-2010, 06:42 AM
I just want the running game fixed and I don't want to continue this "draft a RB late" crap. I want a stud that can carry the load and blow some people up.
The running game isn't fixed until you get the OLine fixed. And "draft a RB late" crap ? What was Terril Davis, a 6th rounder ? They're out there and late in the Draft if you know how to find them. And honestly is Bruce Campbell more of a reach in the first round than Duane Brown was ? I think not.
Yes we've got a ways to go to fix this OLine. Some people think last year was some kind of an achievemnt, but we only managed to accumulate a winning record because of a weak non-divisional schedule. I mean 1-5
in our own division, how can anybody feel happy about that ? Sorry,
bfut were just not "that close".

bigbrewster2000
03-22-2010, 07:37 AM
The running game isn't fixed until you get the OLine fixed. And "draft a RB late" crap ? What was Terril Davis, a 6th rounder ? They're out there and late in the Draft if you know how to find them. And honestly is Bruce Campbell more of a reach in the first round than Duane Brown was ? I think not.
Yes we've got a ways to go to fix this OLine. Some people think last year was some kind of an achievemnt, but we only managed to accumulate a winning record because of a weak non-divisional schedule. I mean 1-5
in our own division, how can anybody feel happy about that ? Sorry,
bfut were just not "that close".

Oh I love when anyone pulls out Terrell Davis when speaking of late round RB's. He was a late rounder for 1 reason and 1 reason only. He was coming off a serious injury from his final year in college. He would have been a first day selection otherwise.

The Oline for sure needs some fixin but to act like it is in dire straits is kinda silly. We are pretty weak at the center position but we are average to above average every where else on the line. I think a high round running back and a much lighter Steve Slaton makes us better by leaps and bounds.

Personally I dont care how they fix what I just want it fixed so we can get into the playoffs and make a run at the Super Bowl. I dont really want to focus on the negative as much as I want to focus on the fix. And yeah we are that close.

IDEXAN
03-22-2010, 08:23 AM
Oh I love when anyone pulls out Terrell Davis when speaking of late round RB's. He was a late rounder for 1 reason and 1 reason only. He was coming off a serious injury from his final year in college. He would have been a first day selection otherwise.

"Arian Foster got 2nd round projection"
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/41704-arian-foster-got-2nd-round-projection.html
Oh you mean like this guy who we didn't even need to use a Draft pick on ?

The Pencil Neck
03-22-2010, 09:43 AM
The running game isn't fixed until you get the OLine fixed. And "draft a RB late" crap ? What was Terril Davis, a 6th rounder ?

For every Terrell Davis, there are HUNDREDS of RBs taken in the later rounds who don't do squat.

1. Chris Johnson - 1st rounder
2. Steven Jackson - 1st rounder
3. Thomas Jones - 1st rounder
4. Maurice Jones-Drew - 2nd rounder
5. Adrian Peterson - 1st rounder
6. Ray Rice - 2nd rounder
7. Ryan Grant - UDFA
8. Cedric Benson - 1st rounder
9. Jonathon Stewart - 1st rounder
10. Ricky Williams - 1st rounder
11. Jamaal Charles - 3rd rounder
12. Frank Gore - 3rd rounder
13. DeAngelo Williams - 1st rounder
14. Rashard Mendenhall - 1st rounder
15. Fred Jackson - UDFA
16. Knowshon Moreno - 1st rounder
17. Marion Barber - 4th rounder
18. Matt Forte - 2nd rounder
19. Michael Turner - 5th rounder
20. Jerome Harrison - 5th rounder

Do you see a pattern here?

Out of the top 10 rushers from last year, 7 are 1st rounders, 2 are 2nd rounders, and one guy is a UDFA.

Out of the top 20 rushers from last year, 10 are 1st rounders, 3 are 2nd rounders, 2 are 3rd rounders, 3 were drafted after the 3rd round, and 2 weren't drafted at all.

You want a good running game, get a talented running back as a piece of the puzzle. You've got a much greater chance of having a good running game if you've got a 1st round talent in there than if you pick up someone in the later rounds.

The only team that was consistently able to choose late round backs and plug them in were the old Broncos and those guys went through running backs left and right.

DexmanC
03-22-2010, 10:26 AM
The Denver offensive line had 5 guys who didn't mind getting nasty. Right now,
we only have ONE with that mentality, but he's not very talented (Studdard.)
Pitts, Brown, Myers, and Winston will use cut-blocking only to a certain point,
but this is not what Kubiak wants.

Hence, he'd better draft a real runningback, because our linemen SUCK at
putting guys on the ground.

bigbrewster2000
03-22-2010, 12:42 PM
"Arian Foster got 2nd round projection"
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/41704-arian-foster-got-2nd-round-projection.html
Oh you mean like this guy who we didn't even need to use a Draft pick on ?

I put zero weight in that link. The projection I remember is 5th/6th rounder last year around the draft. That info came out over a year before he was even drafted. What a joke.

And Arian Foster hasnt done a lot yet. He played in 2 games man. If he gets good playing time this year and tears it up then serve up the crow then. I wont buy stock in him though. :2cents:

IDEXAN
03-22-2010, 01:28 PM
I put zero weight in that link. The projection I remember is 5th/6th rounder last year around the draft. That info came out over a year before he was even drafted. What a joke.

And Arian Foster hasnt done a lot yet. He played in 2 games man. If he gets good playing time this year and tears it up then serve up the crow then. I wont buy stock in him though. :2cents:
A legitimate big back blessed with deceptive speed, Foster developed into one of the SEC's most dominant backs as a junior, finishing with 1,193 yards and 12 touchdowns rushing while adding 39 catches for 340 yards and two scores. But like the rest of his UT teammates, his statistics dropped precipitously in 2008 (131-570-1 rush, 19-166 receiving) because he received about half as many touches and the team's overall inconsistent offensive play.
Foster had a strong start to his career, stepping in for an injured Gerald Riggs Jr. as a redshirt freshman to lead the Vols with 879 rushing yards. Foster might potentially warrant the second-round grade he was given in 2007 by the NFL Advisory Committee, but must show more consistency and better ball security to be a success in the NFL.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/arian-foster?id=79555
That's NFL.COM, does that get more than a "0" rating from you ?
Like I was saying, the good backs are out there for the taking with a little research - we need to save our top picks for the positions with the most value like in the line (both D & O) and at cornerback.

The Pencil Neck
03-22-2010, 01:53 PM
Like I was saying, the good backs are out there for the taking with a little research - we need to save our top picks for the positions with the most value like in the line (both D & O) and at cornerback.

Value is something that someone judges. Obviously, you don't place much value on the running back.

If you want a top 10 rushing attack, you almost always have to have a first round running back.

If having a good rushing attack was all about the line, there would be many, many more lower round running backs finishing in the top 10 because there are a whole lot more running backs drafted in the later rounds than in the first but the runners drafted in the first round are predominate in the top 10. Therefore, if you don't consider the RB as a position with a lot of value, then you don't value the running game.