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infantrycak
03-20-2010, 10:34 AM
The key to Houston’s offense was Matt Schaub’s chemistry with his receivers. Andre Johnson was the best wideout in football. And, before blowing out his knee, Owen Daniels was the best tight end. Daniels wasn’t a dominant blocker, but his soft hands and route running made him lethal in the pass game.

Link (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/state-of-the-texans-what-the-2009-film-revealed/)

This is one of the best write ups I have seen on the Texans. Sad it has to come from a yankee.

JB
03-20-2010, 10:42 AM
Nice read, but I think he is too high on DR.

Brando
03-20-2010, 10:45 AM
Great read.

G.M. Rick Smith was foolish to let free agent Dunta Robinson walk away.

Nope, Robinson was a shadow of his former self. Hopefully we draft a CB that has an immediate impact like Cushing had last year.

NitroGSXR
03-20-2010, 10:58 AM
Definitely a good article. Thanks.

He seems to think rather highly of Robinson and his departure. I think I agree with him. Leigh Bodden may not be a Dunta Robinson. This's years RB FAs may have been an aging group but we're left hanging in the draft looking for more specific needs in the draft. I believe BPA somewhat will give in to need for the Texans this year. We have 4 areas that need a lot of help, secondary, interior DL, interior OL, and RB. Almost all 4 positions need help in both starting and depth.

We really could have used FA this year and I believe it'll come back to haunt us. We're left with relying on the draft and training camp cuts to form our team.

Go Texans!

:fans:

gary
03-20-2010, 11:07 AM
DRob got burned lots last season.

infantrycak
03-20-2010, 11:12 AM
Calling Dunta elite was certainly over the top. I'm middle of the road on Dunta. He was not a playmaker. He had to give everything he had to coverage or he was going to get burned so he didn't jump routes or create plays. He was not the crap CB some folks make him out to be due to his contract negotiations either. Dunta would be a really good #2. But at the price he got like a pro-bowl #1 CB you let him go.

JB
03-20-2010, 11:21 AM
Calling Dunta elite was certainly over the top. I'm middle of the road on Dunta. He was not a playmaker. He had to give everything he had to coverage or he was going to get burned so he didn't jump routes or create plays. He was not the crap CB some folks make him out to be due to his contract negotiations either. Dunta would be a really good #2. But at the price he got like a pro-bowl #1 CB you let him go.

That is pretty much how I felt. It seems to me that Dunta used to be at his best in press coverage. But after the injury, he had to give a big cushion and still got burned with underneath moves and could not support the run quite as well.

gary
03-20-2010, 11:28 AM
Calling Dunta elite was certainly over the top. I'm middle of the road on Dunta. He was not a playmaker. He had to give everything he had to coverage or he was going to get burned so he didn't jump routes or create plays. He was not the crap CB some folks make him out to be due to his contract negotiations either. Dunta would be a really good #2. But at the price he got like a pro-bowl #1 CB you let him go.The Colts played the in the SB with rookie corners. Having a player like Dunte for the money he wanted is not a good idea. You'd just have to let him go to start someone else in their second or third season and I'd rather have a CB who is going to grow and just might be a probowler in his third or fourth season. And maybe pick up a vet who is cut during training camp.

ObsiWan
03-20-2010, 11:43 AM
Not to turn this into a D-Rob thread, but the guaranteed $25.6 Mil he got from Atlanta would have been a bit too much for where his talent seems to be right now.

Of course, it could turn out that if he goes thru OTAs, T/C, and pre-season with Altanta, his game might just step up a notch or two.

I almost said, not having to play "The Peyton" twice a year will help his stats. But then I remembered that he's gonna have to face Drew Brees twice a year. Out of the frying pan - into the fire.
...which kinda explains why Atlanta was willing to pay his price.

Regarding the remainder of the piece, I think it was pretty much spot on. I agree with four of his top five needs and I'd change the order. I'd use first day picks to improve the secondary and early second day picks on the ground game (OG & RB). But that's just me.
1. Free Safety
2. CB
3. Guard
4. RB
5. D-line

beerlover
03-20-2010, 01:23 PM
pretty superficial stuff to me. hits some key turnaround points (Schaubs developement as a leader & connection with Andre, plus addition of Bernard Pollard & how he instantly improved the run defense) but if he thinks the Texans were foolish for NOT OVER-PAYING DUNTA ROBINSON or Moats is the future answer @ RB then I am sorry, no he is sorry for writing such dribble :tiphat:

infantrycak
03-20-2010, 01:38 PM
pretty superficial stuff to me. hits some key turnaround points (Schaubs developement as a leader & connection with Andre, plus addition of Bernard Pollard & how he instantly improved the run defense) but if he thinks the Texans were foolish for NOT OVER-PAYING DUNTA ROBINSON or Moats is the future answer @ RB then I am sorry, no he is sorry for writing such dribble :tiphat:

Listing RB as the top need pretty much says what he thinks the odds are of Moats taking over. A lot of folks think the Texans were foolish for not paying Dunta. I'm not one of them but that strikes me as honest disagreement.

beerlover
03-20-2010, 01:47 PM
Listing RB as the top need pretty much says what he thinks the odds are of Moats taking over. A lot of folks think the Texans were foolish for not paying Dunta. I'm not one of them but that strikes me as honest disagreement.

sure alot of people think Texans were foolish for not paying Dunta or that the running back situation is not as bad as it is (more important needs) you can always find some people who have a different viewpoint or selective memory just like an outsider. But he/they are wrong on both accounts, reflecting & pondering the obvious but not real solutions or honest assesments.

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2010, 01:51 PM
Listing RB as the top need pretty much says what he thinks the odds are of Moats taking over. A lot of folks think the Texans were foolish for not paying Dunta. I'm not one of them but that strikes me as honest disagreement.

Is RB really the biggest need? A running game is the biggest need, but does that equate to running back being the biggest need?

Brisco_County
03-20-2010, 01:55 PM
If you're a reporter who doesn't follow the Texans regularly, then all you know about Dunta Robinson is his charisma, his personality, his price, and that he got franchised last year. Without actually watching every game, you're going to assume he was a must-keep CB who's worth what Atlanta paid for him. After a season or two, the Texans' FO will be proven right, just like they were with Mario.

Is RB really the biggest need? A running game is the biggest need, but does that equate to running back being the biggest need?

It has become the biggest need since we didn't take one in free agency. This draft will we deep with corners, too.

NitroGSXR
03-20-2010, 02:00 PM
Listing RB as the top need pretty much says what he thinks the odds are of Moats taking over. A lot of folks think the Texans were foolish for not paying Dunta. I'm not one of them but that strikes me as honest disagreement.

I wouldn't call me as being unhappy that Dunta's gone. I don't think we even made him an offer that he wanted to listen to IF we EVEN made an offer this past FA. Dunta was ready to move on as well as the Texans. I'm a little more irked that Leigh Bodden slipped away. Consider that I think Dunta's better than Bodden. I would have been ok with Dunta but if not then somebody semi-decent!

infantrycak
03-20-2010, 02:35 PM
Is RB really the biggest need? A running game is the biggest need, but does that equate to running back being the biggest need?

What I liked more was some of the insight above. A lot of folks around here have acted like Mario had a horrible year because his sacks were down but I thought he became a much more well rounded player. Now if he can keep his intensity up he'll be a true all around beast. A lot of folks around here have also acted like DeMeco wasn't that good last year and I think that is absurd.

As for draft needs, I never get hung up quibbling over 1st need v. 2nd need. To me you identify the needs and then when the pick comes up take the player that has the highest overall talent level at one of the need positions unless that position is exceptionally strong and there is not a huge drop off in talent with a player at another need position where the talent is much more shallow.

ObsiWan
03-20-2010, 02:36 PM
Is RB really the biggest need? A running game is the biggest need, but does that equate to running back being the biggest need?

That distinction seems to be totally lost on a great many fans.
That's why I'd like to see us bolster the O-lineas opposed to paying first round money on a RB who'll have to try and make a living behind the guys we have up front right now.

infantrycak
03-20-2010, 02:43 PM
That distinction seems to be totally lost on a great many fans.
That's why I'd like to see us bolster the O-lineas opposed to paying first round money on a RB who'll have to try and make a living behind the guys we have up front right now.

We got Smith. We will get Briesel back and maybe Pitts. And OL can be found past the 1st round. I'm not even saying they have to take a RB in the 1st but if they did it wouldn't mean they are ignoring the OL or the running game.

Texan4Ever
03-20-2010, 02:49 PM
It seems like Texans fans are the only one's who will acknowledge that Dunta Robinson was worth letting go and will admit that he is overrated. Do we play Atlanta this seasons because I would love to see Andre Johnson torch D-Robber!

Brisco_County
03-20-2010, 03:06 PM
That distinction seems to be totally lost on a great many fans.
That's why I'd like to see us bolster the O-lineas opposed to paying first round money on a RB who'll have to try and make a living behind the guys we have up front right now.

We need both linemen and an RB. Other than Iupati, no C/G's are worth a 1st pick for us, and we need an RB either way. Matthews and Spiller are rated high enough to be worst a 1st pick.

beerlover
03-20-2010, 03:20 PM
What I liked more was some of the insight above. A lot of folks around here have acted like Mario had a horrible year because his sacks were down but I thought he became a much more well rounded player. Now if he can keep his intensity up he'll be a true all around beast. A lot of folks around here have also acted like DeMeco wasn't that good last year and I think that is absurd.

As for draft needs, I never get hung up quibbling over 1st need v. 2nd need. To me you identify the needs and then when the pick comes up take the player that has the highest overall talent level at one of the need positions unless that position is exceptionally strong and there is not a huge drop off in talent with a player at another need position where the talent is much more shallow.

I'm down with that (in bold).

I'm more interested to read how we as members respond to various media outlet dribble, as always we don't dissapoint. Nobody knows its/our team like we do, the fans, yeah sometimes we get too emotional, knee jerk reaction (only normal) but usually after a day or two calm down & return to our senses.

RB is just another need position to overcome. Because this years draft is blessed with both superior talent & system backs who fit what Kubiak & Co. like this probablity increases (value there @ top & bottom). Its pretty clear a good strategy is to select a top 10 talent with the 20th overall selection any year @ any position of need. In regards to Texans & from what we learned last season this CAN BE THE YEAR OF THE RB. Expect nothing from what is currently on the roster while exercising caution construct a game plan to elevate the backfield play via addressing with impact players who fit the Texan mold :logo:

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Joe Texan
03-20-2010, 03:26 PM
D rob was an insult to the Texans what with all his Shoe writing, arm flailing and the game changing burns he got last year. Atlanta just sealed the deal on a has been corner who lost his step and is not half of his rookie self.

DocBar
03-20-2010, 03:27 PM
That was a so-so article to me. Just more regurgitation of what others have written. When it comes to the draft, I hope Smithiak sticks to BPA. You're almost garaunteed to get a bust when you go for need. Just go by the rankings on the draft board. They've done a damned good job in the past, so I see no reason to alter their approach.

NitroGSXR
03-20-2010, 03:31 PM
That was a so-so article to me. Just more regurgitation of what others have written. When it comes to the draft, I hope Smithiak sticks to BPA. You're almost garaunteed to get a bust when you go for need. Just go by the rankings on the draft board. They've done a damned good job in the past, so I see no reason to alter their approach.

What if BPA is a LB or a QB?

TimeKiller
03-20-2010, 03:35 PM
No DT? At all?

At all?

DT is not a top 5 need on this team?

DT anyone?

CB, yes, RB, yes, FS, yes, OG, yes......DT??!?!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!

DocBar
03-20-2010, 03:46 PM
What if BPA is a LB or a QB?
You go with it. The Vikes did that in 98 and got Culpepper when they had no need for a QB, but he was the best BPA. A couple of years later, they drafted for need at DE and the guy didn't even make it thru TC. This years draft makes it unlikely that the BPA will be a position we don't have a need for, though. Pretty OK on RBs, very good at DB and DT, pretty good at IOL.]

EDIT: Remember when we had a need for DT and drafted a turd named Travis Johnson?

gary
03-20-2010, 03:56 PM
It was 10X better than Justice or Mclain.

DocBar
03-20-2010, 04:09 PM
It was 10X better than Justice or Mclain.

Kinda like saying hemmarhoids are 10X better than kidney stones and and an enlarged prostate. :gun:

CloakNNNdagger
03-20-2010, 07:41 PM
It seems like Texans fans are the only one's who will acknowledge that Dunta Robinson was worth letting go and will admit that he is overrated. Do we play Atlanta this seasons because I would love to see Andre Johnson torch D-Robber!

We'll have to settle for watching DR being torched on TV for his next 16 games by inferior passing teams.

Texan_Bill
03-20-2010, 07:55 PM
We'll have to settle for watching DR being torched on TV for his next 16 games by inferior passing teams.

Drew Brees is licking his chops.

CloakNNNdagger
03-20-2010, 08:00 PM
Definitely a good article. Thanks.

He seems to think rather highly of Robinson and his departure. I think I agree with him. Leigh Bodden may not be a Dunta Robinson. This's years RB FAs may have been an aging group but we're left hanging in the draft looking for more specific needs in the draft. I believe BPA somewhat will give in to need for the Texans this year. We have 4 areas that need a lot of help, secondary, interior DL, interior OL, and RB. Almost all 4 positions need help in both starting and depth.

We really could have used FA this year and I believe it'll come back to haunt us. We're left with relying on the draft and training camp cuts to form our team.

Go Texans!

:fans:

It seems that the Texans have always tended to rely on "late" options with little options left over if they don't work out; rather than take "early" options with still time to successfully pursue other options if the initial approaches come up empty handed. Hoping that mediocre players will miraculously go from sporadic "decent" play to starters. That, along with hoping that the Draft will obviate the need to at least consistently play smartly (not necessarily wildly) in the FA game has not necessarily left this team with much more than "wishing and praying" for a better balanced team.

Goatcheese
03-20-2010, 08:30 PM
I still don't get the animosity toward D-Rob. Calling him an "Elite Stopper" is a stretch, but not absurd.

Yards allowed per play in coverage:
1. Nnamdi Asomugha OAK 0.56
2. Darrelle Revis NYJ 0.65
3. Charles Woodson GB 0.76
4. Kelly Jennings SEA 0.78
5. Drayton Florence BUF 0.80
6. Jacques Reeves HST 0.82
7. Shawntae Spencer SF 0.82
8. Mike Adams CLV 0.83
9. Jabari Greer NO 0.83
10Mike Jenkins DAL 0.84
11Jerraud Powers IND 0.85
12Steve Gregory SD 0.88
13Dunta Robinson HST 0.88
14Deshea Townsend PIT 0.89
15Cedric Griffin MIN 0.89
16Leon Hall CIN 0.90
17Dre' Bly SF 0.90
18Terrell Thomas NYG 0.90
19Lito Sheppard NYJ 0.91
20DeAngelo Hall WAS 0.92
21Sheldon Brown PHI 0.94
22Antonio Cromartie SD 0.95
23Terence Newman DAL 0.96
24Asante Samuel PHI 0.97
25Benny Sapp MIN 0.99
26Cortland Finnegan TEN 0.99
27Tramon Williams GB 1.02
28Corey Webster NYG 1.03
29Champ Bailey DEN 1.03
30Leigh Bodden NE 1.03
31Carlos Rogers WAS 1.06
32Jacob Lacey IND 1.06

infantrycak
03-20-2010, 08:36 PM
I still don't get the animosity toward D-Rob.

Well frankly I didn't either although not as enamored as you but things like this may be the reason why the Texans let him go:

Robinson, an Athens, Ga., native, made an immediate splash telling AJC beatwriter D. Orlando Ledbetter that he was “the best cornerback in the National Football League.”

Link (http://blogblitz.nfl.com/atlanta-falcons)

Dude is seriously delusional. Try making a pro-bowl dufus.

DocBar
03-20-2010, 08:40 PM
It seems that the Texans have always tended to rely on "late" options with little options left over if they don't work out; rather than take "early" options with still time to successfully pursue other options if the initial approaches come up empty handed. Hoping that mediocre players will miraculously go from sporadic "decent" play to starters. That, along with hoping that the Draft will obviate the need to at least consistently play smartly (not necessarily wildly) in the FA game has not necessarily left this team with much more than "wishing and praying" for a better balanced team. That could be said of the old regime, but IMHO, the current coaching staff has done an excellent job in both FA and the draft. There aren't a lot of big name FA's that pan out for their new team, especially at the skill positions where age and wear and tear are more noticeable than for an interior lineman or FB. I DO hope they quit trying to find another Terrell Davis and go ahead and draft a top tier RB this year or next.

Goatcheese
03-20-2010, 08:44 PM
Well frankly I didn't either although not as enamored as you but things like this may be the reason why the Texans let him go:



Link (http://blogblitz.nfl.com/atlanta-falcons)

Dude is seriously delusional. Try making a pro-bowl dufus.

I wouldn't say I'm "enamored" with him, but I think he's a capable starter.

He does have a giant ego, but then most corners do, and it can be a good thing. As I've said before, it takes a giant head, and a big set a brass balls to stand across from guys like Andre Johnson 70+ snaps per game and say "You can't beat me!"

I smirk and roll my eyes when I hear that kind of bravado, but I don't melt into a pile of seething rage.

:heart:

Texan_Bill
03-20-2010, 08:45 PM
Dunta Robinson:

6 seasons.... 13 INT's.

6 INT's in his rookie year; 7 INT's in the next 5 seasons.

Goatcheese
03-20-2010, 08:48 PM
Dunta Robinson:

6 seasons.... 13 INT's.

6 INT's in his rookie year; 7 INT's in the next 5 seasons.

INTs are not everything.

Signed,

Nnamdi Asomugha:

7 seasons.... 11 INT's.

8 INT's in his 4th year; 3 INT's in the next 3 seasons.

Texan_Bill
03-20-2010, 08:54 PM
INTs are not everything.

Signed,

Nnamdi Asomugha:

7 seasons.... 11 INT's.

8 INT's in his 4th year; 3 INT's in the next 3 seasons.

True, but I'm curious if Raider fan witnessed as many missed tackles from Nnamdi as I did from Dunta. I wonder when Raider fan experienced shoes that said "Pay me Al". I'm also curious, if the Raiders would've been interested in franchising him two years in a row for $22,000,000.00 without having a deal in place.

Signed,

Apples and oranges.

Texan_Bill
03-20-2010, 10:42 PM
For the record, CloakandDagger is the shizzitt!!

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2010, 11:43 PM
Is RB really the biggest need? A running game is the biggest need, but does that equate to running back being the biggest need?

To me? Yes. Our running game was the most broken part of our team. So I consider it the highest priority. Fixing the running game isn't about fixing RB or OL, it's about fixing both.

RB is the biggest need. We need to take one in the 1st or 2nd round. I love Slaton but there's no guarantee he's going to be back and even if he comes back, even at his best, he's not the guy that gets you a consistent 4-5 yards a carry. He's the guy that gets -1 - 1 yards for a bunch of carries and then busts one; that puts a lot of stress on the offense. We need the consistent 4-5 yards a carry guy on 1st and 2nd down and then pull Slaton in as a change of pace that creates all kinds of match up problems, a guy who breaks a screen for 75.

BUT, you're right, the whole purpose is to improve the running game. And that means drafting a C/G in the 3rd or 4th round to go with that new RB. And hopefully re-signing Pitts.

At least, that's the way I see it and the way I'd approach fixing it.

Hervoyel
03-20-2010, 11:49 PM
Calling Dunta elite was certainly over the top. I'm middle of the road on Dunta. He was not a playmaker. He had to give everything he had to coverage or he was going to get burned so he didn't jump routes or create plays. He was not the crap CB some folks make him out to be due to his contract negotiations either. Dunta would be a really good #2. But at the price he got like a pro-bowl #1 CB you let him go.

Exactly.

ObsiWan
03-21-2010, 11:49 AM
What I liked more was some of the insight above. A lot of folks around here have acted like Mario had a horrible year because his sacks were down but I thought he became a much more well rounded player. Now if he can keep his intensity up he'll be a true all around beast. A lot of folks around here have also acted like DeMeco wasn't that good last year and I think that is absurd.

As for draft needs, I never get hung up quibbling over 1st need v. 2nd need. To me you identify the needs and then when the pick comes up take the player that has the highest overall talent level at one of the need positions unless that position is exceptionally strong and there is not a huge drop off in talent with a player at another need position where the talent is much more shallow.

That second paragraph should be Standard Operating Procedure on draft day. I would like to think it is.

ObsiWan
03-21-2010, 11:58 AM
We got Smith. We will get Briesel back and maybe Pitts. And OL can be found past the 1st round. I'm not even saying they have to take a RB in the 1st but if they did it wouldn't mean they are ignoring the OL or the running game.

I don't know much about Smith. I'll scan the appropriate thread to see what TT-clan thinks about him. I hope Pitts can come back strong but I'm starting to lose hope that it will be with us. That would be a shame. Brisiel is just above "Meh" level for me. Maybe I'm missing something. I'm hoping Caldwell shows up strong this year and pushes either Brisiel or Meyers for a starting job. And it's about time for Chris White to step up too.

ObsiWan
03-21-2010, 12:13 PM
It seems like Texans fans are the only one's who will acknowledge that Dunta Robinson was worth letting go and will admit that he is overrated. Do we play Atlanta this seasons because I would love to see Andre Johnson torch D-Robber!

(a) I saw that in training camp
(b) Atlanta plays the Saints twice, you'll get your chance to see him get "torched" by Brees to Colston.

Lucky
03-21-2010, 12:34 PM
(a) I saw that in training camp
Robinson hadn't participated in training camp since 2007. And he did a pretty good job on Andre, back then.

steelbtexan
03-21-2010, 12:39 PM
Reaching for project/turd DT's (Okoye and T.Johnson) clearly isn't the way to go.

If a QB or WR is the BPA at 20 this would be ideal.

The Texans will be able to find a suitable trading partner.

Texans_Chick
03-21-2010, 12:43 PM
Here's the quote from the original article (http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/q-a-falcons-new-356307.html):

Q: Are you a better cornerback than former Falcon DeAngelo Hall?

A: I respect DeAngelo Hall, but if you don't think you're better than any corner in the NFL, then you don't stand a chance. I don't know a quarterback who doesn't think he's the best quarterback in the league. Not only do I think I'm the best cornerback in the National Football League, but if you don't go out there and play with that confidence and that swagger, your career won't last long.

NitroGSXR
03-21-2010, 12:57 PM
Here's the quote from the original article (http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/q-a-falcons-new-356307.html):

I don't agree with him but I can certainly understand why he said what he said. I didn't feel there was a jerkish boasting sort there... just some marketing going on.

HOU-TEX
03-22-2010, 09:22 AM
Decent write up, IMO. It's a sad day in America when some yankee mofo cranks out an article that's superior to anything the 12 sandwich eatin knuckle dragger we've got spewing and hackin around here. All we get locally are these stupid ass chats that are as informative as a sack of ass zits.