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kiwitexansfan
03-19-2010, 11:38 PM
These are the people I would like to see called for us in the first round. I've listed them in order of my preference. (subject to change at a moments notice)

Gerald McCoy, Ndamukong Suh, Eric Berry - surely not going to be there at 20 but I would be stoked to have any of them.

Earl Thomas - He'd be the best safety we've ever had the moment he stepped on the field.... kind of sad really.

CJ Spiller - I love his explosive potential, a game changer.

Joe Haden - A good cover cornerback.... haven't seen one of those since Aaron Glenn....

Kyle Wilson - Another good cover corner with ball skills, yes please.

Taylor Mays - POTENTIAL plus... Cushing believes in him... I think his down year reflected lack of talent around him and him trying to fill the hole and getting sloppy because of it...

Ryan Matthews - Good vision, power, ball security. Lacks a bit of long speed but should be productive.

Brian Price - I really like a DT who can disrupt up the middle. If you can get your front four generating pressure it gives you more coverage options.

Sergio Kindle - What can I say, I love pass rushers. I don't know if he can play on the other side of Demeco and Cushing, but I would love to see him given a chance, if not he can join Williams and Barwin in a QB terrorising rotation.

beerlover
03-20-2010, 12:42 AM
I would be happy with this one - http://draftnasty.com/videos/fresno-state-pro-day-3-17-10-mathews-continues-to-impress-nfl-te/ :)

SteveSlaton20
03-20-2010, 10:31 AM
for me, it'd be these guys.

Earl Thomas
CJ Spiller
Joe Haden
Kyle Wilson

maybe, maybe taylor mays. and i dont really like drafting rbs in the first round, when we still need more work on defesne. im a longhorn fan btw, but do we really need sergio kindle?

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2010, 10:57 AM
for me, it'd be these guys.

Earl Thomas
CJ Spiller
Joe Haden
Kyle Wilson

maybe, maybe taylor mays. and i dont really like drafting rbs in the first round, when we still need more work on defesne. im a longhorn fan btw, but do we really need sergio kindle?

Need, no. I think that an extra pass rusher and versatile defensive piece can't hurt though.....

And he'd be perfect for when we go back to the 3-4!! (dreams are free)

BSofA04
03-20-2010, 12:08 PM
I would be happy with this one - http://draftnasty.com/videos/fresno-state-pro-day-3-17-10-mathews-continues-to-impress-nfl-te/ :)

At the 53 second mark of the video....YES! That's a one cut and go that I like!!

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2010, 12:47 PM
I would be happy with this one - http://draftnasty.com/videos/fresno-state-pro-day-3-17-10-mathews-continues-to-impress-nfl-te/ :)

I'm surprised the Texans are so keen when Matthews is not a proven pass catcher or pass blocker.

I thought that was a high priority for this offense?

infantrycak
03-20-2010, 12:57 PM
I'm surprised the Texans are so keen when Matthews is not a proven pass catcher or pass blocker.

I thought that was a high priority for this offense?

Being able to do those things as well is part of why he is often called a complete back.

Blocking: Can be a devastating blocker in pass protection, especially against a blitzing safety or linebacker. Keeps shoulders square, rolls hips and uncoils body into pass rushers. Shows sufficient skills to play immediately on third downs. Grade: 8.5

Hands/routes: Shows soft hands and ability to adjust to off-target passes. Is most effective on screens and checkdowns. Is more likely to break a tackle than evade anyone on wheel, swing or angle routes. Grade: 8.0

Link (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-02-19/prospect-profile-ryan-mathews-rb-fresno-state)

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2010, 12:59 PM
Being able to do those things as well is part of why he is often called a complete back.



Link (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-02-19/prospect-profile-ryan-mathews-rb-fresno-state)

Hmmm I read this (http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/1/31/1284818/ryan-matthews-nfl-draft-scouting)...

Pass Catching: Only 19 career receptions. Was often taken off the field on passing downs. Does not have a lot of experience running routes. Rare to see the ball thrown his way.

Pass Blocking: Does not have as much experience as a pass blocker as you would like. However he is capable. Shows aggression and strength when stepping to defend the blitz. Willing to stick his hat in there. Does not hold a block well, basically a one pop blocker.

19 catches is a pretty small sample size

infantrycak
03-20-2010, 01:17 PM
19 catches is a pretty small sample size

Small sample sizes are one of the reasons scouts watch the bowl games and drills at the combine where new coaches can ask players to do things they may not have been called on to do a lot by their school's coach.

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2010, 01:48 PM
I guess I'd like to see a player show it when it counts rather than when they are wearing shorts

infantrycak
03-20-2010, 02:23 PM
I guess I'd like to see a player show it when it counts rather than when they are wearing shorts

That's why I mentioned bowl games. Even your link said he was a powerful blocker. Sticking with a block is a coachable issue.

DocBar
03-20-2010, 04:20 PM
I Like Matthews a lot. Does anyone think Spiller is going to be a Reggie Bust instead of Walter Payton? The guy's kinda smallish 5-10 190something for an every down back in the NFL.

infantrycak
03-20-2010, 04:38 PM
I Like Matthews a lot. Does anyone think Spiller is going to be a Reggie Bust instead of Walter Payton? The guy's kinda smallish 5-10 190something for an every down back in the NFL.

So was Tony Dorsett. The running style is more important than the size. Reggie was a dancer which I think is one of the main reasons the Texans didn't take him. His instincts are wrong for this system.

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2010, 04:40 PM
I Like Matthews a lot. Does anyone think Spiller is going to be a Reggie Bust instead of Walter Payton? The guy's kinda smallish 5-10 190something for an every down back in the NFL.

I don't envision him as an every down back, he is a strike weapon in the run, pass and return game.

I think between he, Slaton and Foster we can carry the load.

DocBar
03-20-2010, 04:41 PM
So was Tony Dorsett. The running style is more important than the size. Reggie was a dancer which I think is one of the main reasons the Texans didn't take him. His instincts are wrong for this system.
That's true enough, also, no one really uses a 1 back system anymore. They had him on Sirius NFL radio yesterday and he sounds like a great kid. I really don't know much about him at all, though, which is why I asked.

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2010, 04:44 PM
He has a bit of power and doesn't run away from contact like Bush did.

Same moves and break away speed though.

beerlover
03-20-2010, 08:26 PM
Cushing had immediate impact, could not practice yet was everydown LB. Mathews in Kubiak/Dennison system is a three down back, only spell him to rest/keep fresh. enter Slaton, Foster.

From everything I've seen Ryan catches the ball naturally, very fluid. Texans want to really improve running game (helps play action & keeps Schaub upright) he's the quickest solution.

I'm very sensitive to comments comparing Spiller with Bush. They are not at all alike (what, just because they both have speed & play RB?) Reggie is a slasher, avoids contact, uses vision to find space & out run pursuit to angles. Spiller is more stout/compact, patient cut-back inside-out runner with large hands (helps receiving & ball control) considered by some a better prospect comng ot of College than Chris Johnson which is who he should be compared to. I could live with either in first rd.

BL

rmartin65
03-20-2010, 08:38 PM
The problem with Spiller is, he wont be available. Matthews is really the only feasible option for first round running back.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-20-2010, 09:14 PM
These are the people I would like to see called for us in the first round. I've listed them in order of my preference. (subject to change at a moments notice)

Gerald McCoy, Ndamukong Suh, Eric Berry - surely not going to be there at 20 but I would be stoked to have any of them.

Earl Thomas - He'd be the best safety we've ever had the moment he stepped on the field.... kind of sad really.

CJ Spiller - I love his explosive potential, a game changer.

Joe Haden - A good cover cornerback.... haven't seen one of those since Aaron Glenn....

Kyle Wilson - Another good cover corner with ball skills, yes please.

Taylor Mays - POTENTIAL plus... Cushing believes in him... I think his down year reflected lack of talent around him and him trying to fill the hole and getting sloppy because of it...

Ryan Matthews - Good vision, power, ball security. Lacks a bit of long speed but should be productive.

Brian Price - I really like a DT who can disrupt up the middle. If you can get your front four generating pressure it gives you more coverage options.

Sergio Kindle - What can I say, I love pass rushers. I don't know if he can play on the other side of Demeco and Cushing, but I would love to see him given a chance, if not he can join Williams and Barwin in a QB terrorising rotation.

I agree with you Kiwi. I could live with one of mentioned players.

Go Texans!!!

TexCanada
03-20-2010, 09:52 PM
I'd be nervous/excited about Taylor Mays. So much potential...but just as much of a potential bust.

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2010, 11:18 PM
I'd be nervous/excited about Taylor Mays. So much potential...bust just as much of a potential bust.

Yeah, he is a potential home run, or a potential strike out..... but if he worked out...

The Pencil Neck
03-21-2010, 12:38 AM
I'd love to get Mathews but I expect the Chargers to trade up to snag him. Everyone and their mom knows we're interested in him.

Scooter
03-21-2010, 01:03 AM
Yeah, he is a potential home run, or a potential strike out..... but if he worked out...

it wouldnt hurt my feelings if we drafted mays, though i'd prefer thomas as a natural centerfielder ... mays would show quite a bit of cahones from management. mays has very big bust potential when we're looking for more of a coverage safety, but i dont think his floor is quite as low as some are predicting, while his ceiling is obviously sky high - even approaching polomalu. most intriguing with mays is pollard and wilson. pollard's a young buck, knocks the piss out of anyone dumb enough to get too close, and can intercept manning ... wilson's a great offseason example of how to play space and read situations. along with the coaching staff, that's a good combination for an athlete like mays to draw humility, insight, and inspiration (and you know cushing and ryans would wear his ass out for every mistake).

i liked what mays did at the senior bowl, accepting criticism about his tendancy for going after the player and lack of ball instincts - and then grabbing an interception out of cover 3. if he's coachable, it's hard to argue against a guy so similar to last year's grand slam (brian cushing), especially when another example of extreme potential worked out so well in mario williams.

kiwitexansfan
03-21-2010, 12:59 PM
it wouldnt hurt my feelings if we drafted mays, though i'd prefer thomas as a natural centerfielder ... mays would show quite a bit of cahones from management. mays has very big bust potential when we're looking for more of a coverage safety, but i dont think his floor is quite as low as some are predicting, while his ceiling is obviously sky high - even approaching polomalu. most intriguing with mays is pollard and wilson. pollard's a young buck, knocks the piss out of anyone dumb enough to get too close, and can intercept manning ... wilson's a great offseason example of how to play space and read situations. along with the coaching staff, that's a good combination for an athlete like mays to draw humility, insight, and inspiration (and you know cushing and ryans would wear his ass out for every mistake).

i liked what mays did at the senior bowl, accepting criticism about his tendancy for going after the player and lack of ball instincts - and then grabbing an interception out of cover 3. if he's coachable, it's hard to argue against a guy so similar to last year's grand slam (brian cushing), especially when another example of extreme potential worked out so well in mario williams.

Good post, I starting to talk myself into Mays.

rmartin65
03-21-2010, 01:00 PM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Mays. He was a top 10 talent last year, who made a mistake staying and got nitpicked to death. He will be a dominant safety, just not the ballhawk that everyone is after.

The Guru
03-21-2010, 10:16 PM
One of our biggest problems is converting in goal-line situations. Thus, finding a RB with some strength that can pound it in inside the 5-yard line is crucial. Whats tough is that its rare to find big strong backs that can do that and also be a weapon in the passing game. I feel like Ryan Mathews is one of those rare guys who can do it all, and do it all well. I really liked what I saw of him pass-catching-wise at the combine and his one-cut style seems like it would fit our blocking scheme very nicely.

C.J. Spiller, while a a dangerous runner, can't be the type of goal-line hammer we need, plus he has such a similar skill set to Steve Slaton.

These are the players I could live with in the 1st (in no particular order) with my favorites in bold:

C - Maurkice Pouncey
S/CB - Earl Thomas
RB - Ryan Mathews
DT - Jared Odrick
OG - Mike Iupati
CB -Joe Haden
CB - Kyle Wilson
OT - Trent Williams
S - Taylor Mays (though I would be nervous, also)

TexCanada
03-21-2010, 11:15 PM
Good post, I starting to talk myself into Mays.

Ya me too. For the longest time I didn't want to touch him in the first round, but it sure would be exciting to have someone with that speed back there. He might not come up with a ton of interceptions but he will have the QBs thinking about his whereabouts on the field.

stingray
03-21-2010, 11:40 PM
I want Brian Price. I think this kid will be special.

Spled
03-22-2010, 12:07 AM
This is what I always think about with Mays - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLD33s7V7EU

Blake
03-22-2010, 10:52 AM
Players I could live with in the First Round.

No particular order.

Taylor Mays
Ryan Mathews
Mike Iupati
Earl Thomas
Maurkice Pouncey
Dan Williams
Patrick Robinson
Kyle Wilson

JB
03-22-2010, 11:14 AM
Players I could live with in the First Round.

No particular order.

Taylor Mays
Ryan Mathews
Mike Iupati
Earl Thomas
Maurkice Pouncey
Dan Williams
Patrick Robinson
Kyle Wilson

I agree with this list for the players we have a shot at. However Robinson concerns me and I think maybe Kareem Jackson would be a better fit.

Robinson has great talent, but a lot of questions about his work ethic.

Blake
03-22-2010, 11:19 AM
I agree with this list for the players we have a shot at. However Robinson concerns me and I think maybe Kareem Jackson would be a better fit.

Robinson has great talent, but a lot of questions about his work ethic.

Hey I just dont wanna have to get rid of my #23 Robinson jersey. :spin:

JB
03-22-2010, 11:28 AM
Hey I just dont wanna have to get rid of my #23 Robinson jersey. :spin:

:lol:

I would not mind getting Patrick Robinson, but not in the first.

beerlover
03-22-2010, 12:31 PM
:lol:

I would not mind getting Patrick Robinson, but not in the first.

now its guaranteed Texans select Patrick Robinson in the first :rake:

BigBull17
03-24-2010, 01:43 PM
Taylor Mays scares the hell out of me. I thought he was overrated when he was thinking of comming out as a Jr. Still same problem. He has very poor instincts. He is a WLB who runs a 4.3.

Maddict5
03-24-2010, 07:53 PM
Taylor Mays scares the hell out of me. I thought he was overrated when he was thinking of comming out as a Jr. Still same problem. He has very poor instincts. He is a WLB who runs a 4.3.

agreed. just from watching the vid below, you can see he doesnt play fast, gets fooled easily in coverage & constantly makes the wrong reads against college qbs nvm him facing peyton twice a year (yikes). and when he does get there, hes always playing the man. in run d, he goes for the big shoulder charge tackle too often, hardly any proper form tackling. any decent nfl back would juke him easily when he does that. i wouldnt take him in the 2nd rd tbh. imo he has bust written all over him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi2kBxeXOsc&feature=related

Spled
03-25-2010, 11:48 PM
But he hits like Ronnie Lott in his prime.

Jackie Chiles
03-26-2010, 01:14 AM
Really the more I sit and think about it there are just a ton of players that I could not only live with but I would be legitimately thrilled to get in round one. Rick is going to have to throw a major curveball for me not to be doing my best :splits: impression. In no particular order:

Earl Thomas: The thought of having someone that could become eerily similar to Ed Reed...

Ryan Mathews: I love his running style and his build seems like the new prototype for the NFL (Jones-Drew, DeAngelo Williams, Ray Rice etc.).

Taylor Mays: I think he is being nit-picked to death. Probably the most physically gifted safety to ever enter the NFL and I think he is a football player.

C.J. Spiller: Could take our offense and special teams to the next level.

Kyle Wilson: I honestly believe he would be an immediate upgrade over Dunta and a fantastic long-term option.

Brian Price: I think he could play nose or 3-tech for us and I just love the way that he lives in the opponents backfield. Great attitude and work ethic to boot.

Sean Weatherspoon: Not an ideal match in regards to need but this guy is a stud and adding him could make our LBs an all-time unit.

Joe Haden: One of the best pure football players in the draft, without a shaky combine we wouldn't have a shot at him.

After this I guess I can toss in a couple guys I could simply "live with."

Dan Williams: I believe our run D has made a legit turnaround but there is always room for improvement.

Mike Iupati: Big fan of his but I think he is a bit raw and we have bigger fish to fry.

BSofA04
03-27-2010, 02:37 AM
Really the more I sit and think about it there are just a ton of players that I could not only live with but I would be legitimately thrilled to get in round one. Rick is going to have to throw a major curveball for me not to be doing my best :splits: impression. In no particular order:

Earl Thomas: The thought of having someone that could become eerily similar to Ed Reed...

Ryan Mathews: I love his running style and his build seems like the new prototype for the NFL (Jones-Drew, DeAngelo Williams, Ray Rice etc.).

Taylor Mays: I think he is being nit-picked to death. Probably the most physically gifted safety to ever enter the NFL and I think he is a football player.

C.J. Spiller: Could take our offense and special teams to the next level.

Kyle Wilson: I honestly believe he would be an immediate upgrade over Dunta and a fantastic long-term option.

Brian Price: I think he could play nose or 3-tech for us and I just love the way that he lives in the opponents backfield. Great attitude and work ethic to boot.

Sean Weatherspoon: Not an ideal match in regards to need but this guy is a stud and adding him could make our LBs an all-time unit.

Joe Haden: One of the best pure football players in the draft, without a shaky combine we wouldn't have a shot at him.

After this I guess I can toss in a couple guys I could simply "live with."

Dan Williams: I believe our run D has made a legit turnaround but there is always room for improvement.

Mike Iupati: Big fan of his but I think he is a bit raw and we have bigger fish to fry.

JC I'm pretty much 100% in agreement with you..except Mays. I think he's a reach and not worth drafting when we already have a hard hitting Pollard.

BUT...call me crazy, if we drafted a surprising pick like Weatherspoon I'd be elated! Everything I've read indicates a natural born leader who has a true passion for the game. Dude's got some serious game.

I'd crap my pants out of shock if we selected any DE, TE or WR in the 1st 3 rounds. I might drive to Reliant and burn the mother down.

Spled
03-27-2010, 08:08 PM
Any thoughts on us taking Terrence Cody at 20? 350 pounds will plug some running lanes.

rmartin65
03-27-2010, 08:18 PM
Any thoughts on us taking Terrence Cody at 20? 350 pounds will plug some running lanes.

Hell to the freaking no.

Cody is one of the most overrated players in this draft. He is a ball of fat, thats not as strong as he should be, for his size. He does not push the pocket at all, he just holds his ground. He is lazy (not working to get his weight down), and seems like one of those players who will sign the contract and be done.

You want a fat ass to clog the lines? Take Maryland's Travis Ivey in the 6th. He actually carries his 340+ pounds ok. I actually think he is the better player, but that is just me. Or Kean's Darryl Jackson as an UDFA.

Or draft a legitimate DT (can rush the passer and play the run) in the middle round, someone like Linval Joseph or Jeff Owens.

Sorry if this post comes off harsh, it is not meant to be. Its just that Cody, out of such an incredible DT class, is not one of the better ones, despite the media's attempt to portray him as one.

JB
03-27-2010, 08:20 PM
So What do you really think about Cody 65?

rmartin65
03-27-2010, 08:31 PM
So What do you really think about Cody 65?

Ha, yeah.

I am almost positive that Cody will be a bust in this league. Kind of like the JaMarcus Russell of DTs.

kiwitexansfan
03-27-2010, 08:40 PM
Ha, yeah.

I am almost positive that Cody will be a bust in this league. Kind of like the JaMarcus Russell of DTs.

Don't DTs have one of the highest bust ratios of all positions?

rmartin65
03-27-2010, 08:46 PM
Don't DTs have one of the highest bust ratios of all positions?

I dont know the exact stats, but I would not doubt it. It seems like it though, eh?

JB
03-27-2010, 08:50 PM
Ha, yeah.

I am almost positive that Cody will be a bust in this league. Kind of like the JaMarcus Russell of DTs.

Maybe more like the Travis Johnson of Dt. Afterall, he was the highest rated 3 technique coming out...

kiwitexansfan
03-27-2010, 08:54 PM
I dont know the exact stats, but I would not doubt it. It seems like it though, eh?

According to this (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kluck/wrapup/070425&sportCat=nfl), about 33% of 1st round DT turn out to be busts.

Worst defensive position for defensive players. But safer than QB, RB and WR.

Interestingly though, also the 2nd highest pro bowl percentage after S.

rmartin65
03-27-2010, 08:58 PM
Picture comparison:

Terrence Cody (349 lbs)- 1st/2nd round
http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2009/08/large_terrence%20cody.JPG

Travis Ivey (341 lbs)- 6th round
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/md/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/4344554.jpeg

Both are 6'4"

Or even Darryl Jackson (348 lbs) and 6'1"- UDFA
http://www.njacsports.com/images/2009/11/18/rp_primary_Jackson.jpg

rmartin65
03-27-2010, 08:59 PM
According to this (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kluck/wrapup/070425&sportCat=nfl), about 33% of 1st round DT turn out to be busts.

Worst defensive position for defensive players. But safer than QB, RB and WR.

Interestingly though, also the 2nd highest pro bowl percentage after S.

Hmm, that is pretty cool. I guess it means if you dont draft a bust, then odds are you have a damn good player.

kiwitexansfan
03-27-2010, 09:02 PM
Picture comparison:

Terrence Cody (349 lbs)- 1st/2nd round
http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2009/08/large_terrence%20cody.JPG

Travis Ivey (341 lbs)- 6th round
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/md/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/4344554.jpeg

Both are 6'4"

Or even Darryl Jackson (348 lbs) and 6'1"- UDFA
http://www.njacsports.com/images/2009/11/18/rp_primary_Jackson.jpg

Interesting comparison, I can see your point.

rmartin65
03-27-2010, 09:15 PM
Interesting comparison, I can see your point.

спасибо

I should come clean, Jackson is one of my underdog players that I am pulling for. Hard working kid with the desire to play. If he gets into a camp, he will stick on someone's squad.

Also, how cut does Ivey look!? 340 pound guys are not supposed to look like that. I have been researching him the last couple days (moving through my DT rankings, this class is stacked), and he is really impressive. He is not highly regarded because of injuries, but he is worth a flyer (if the Texans were into huge Dts, which they are not).

awtysst
03-27-2010, 09:21 PM
This is what I always think about with Mays - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLD33s7V7EU

Yeah, he is a penalty machine. that hit where he knocks out 2 players is a helmet to helmet hit. A 15 yard penalty that we cannot afford to give up. I say no thanks.

awtysst
03-27-2010, 09:23 PM
But he hits like Ronnie Lott in his prime.

Helmet to helmet penalties were not called in Ronnie Lott's time.

awtysst
03-27-2010, 09:31 PM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Mays. He was a top 10 talent last year, who made a mistake staying and got nitpicked to death. He will be a dominant safety, just not the ballhawk that everyone is after.

I gotta disagree with this. Mays got exposed for what he really is. Its easy to be an awesome head hunting safety when you have 2 NFL rookie probowl linebackers playing in front of you. Then factor in that the third starting LB was taken in the 2nd round, a starting DT in the second, rotational LB in the 4th, starting DE in the 4th, starting CB in the 6th, and his partner safety was drafted in the 6th. So basically as a collegiate he was playing with 8 other players that were drafted into the NFL!

Without the help of 8 NFL players, he got exposed.

rmartin65
03-27-2010, 09:39 PM
I gotta disagree with this. Mays got exposed for what he really is. Its easy to be an awesome head hunting safety when you have 2 NFL rookie probowl linebackers playing in front of you. Then factor in that the third starting LB was taken in the 2nd round, a starting DT in the second, rotational LB in the 4th, starting DE in the 4th, starting CB in the 6th, and his partner safety was drafted in the 6th. So basically as a collegiate he was playing with 8 other players that were drafted into the NFL!

Without the help of 8 NFL players, he got exposed.

Valid points. His physical ability is incredible though, he is one of the few players that I would gamble on like that. He has that kind of potential. And in the 20s, it is not to bad to gamble. If anything, we have a hell of a special teamer (I know, not what you look for in a number 1 pick, but the fact remains). The Texans have a solid front 7, if they can get another DT.

Still, he is not my first, second or third choice. He is just a pick I would not be complaining about too much.

JB
03-27-2010, 10:31 PM
Picture comparison:

Terrence Cody (349 lbs)- 1st/2nd round
http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2009/08/large_terrence%20cody.JPG




I have doubts that Cody will ever see 350 lbs again...

rmartin65
03-28-2010, 09:53 AM
I have doubts that Cody will ever see 350 lbs again...

The problem is, he has to. His game is being an "immovable object" in the middle, something that worked at the college level, but wont at the pro. He has to stay big, because he is surprisingly weak, only 22 bench reps. 22, that is pathetic for someone that big.

JB
03-28-2010, 09:56 AM
The problem is, he has to. His game is being an "immovable object" in the middle, something that worked at the college level, but wont at the pro. He has to stay big, because he is surprisingly weak, only 22 bench reps. 22, that is pathetic for someone that big.

The point I was making was that I dont think that Cody will ever be 350 or under again. I think he is going to have massive weight issues...pun intended.

rmartin65
03-28-2010, 10:02 AM
The point I was making was that I dont think that Cody will ever be 350 or under again. I think he is going to have massive weight issues...pun intended.

Oops, my bad, I misunderstood your post.

I feel the same way though.

beerlover
03-28-2010, 11:57 AM
weight for him seems mute, its all about his core strength, which bench doesn't measure.

maybe monster truck pull @ combine for DT's? that would be a way to measure a guys strength:weight ratio. http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/3883682/7540632

rmartin65
03-28-2010, 01:30 PM
weight for him seems mute, its all about his core strength, which bench doesn't measure.

maybe monster truck pull @ combine for DT's? that would be a way to measure a guys strength:weight ratio. http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/3883682/7540632

I see what you are saying, and I agree; bench press is not the end all measurement for strength. And I dont think that he is going to get washed out on every play. I just dont think he is going to push the pocket at all. And I think that it is quite possible that he does not dominate double teams like he did in college.

steelbtexan
03-28-2010, 01:36 PM
I see what you are saying, and I agree; bench press is not the end all measurement for strength. And I dont think that he is going to get washed out on every play. I just dont think he is going to push the pocket at all. And I think that it is quite possible that he does not dominate double teams like he did in college.

I agree with your premise

Saban called Cody a guy that had to be double teamed every down.

I wouldn't draft Cody in the 1st beause there's a 50/50 chance he will have eaten himself out of league by the time his contract is up.

Maddict5
03-28-2010, 11:42 PM
Valid points. His physical ability is incredible though, he is one of the few players that I would gamble on like that. He has that kind of potential. And in the 20s, it is not to bad to gamble. If anything, we have a hell of a special teamer (I know, not what you look for in a number 1 pick, but the fact remains). The Texans have a solid front 7, if they can get another DT.

Still, he is not my first, second or third choice. He is just a pick I would not be complaining about too much.

safety is one of the positions where being an incredible athlete doesnt help that much. what makes polamalu and reed etc so special? both are decent athletes (that ran a good bit slower than mays coming out) but it their instincts that make them what they are. same with sharper- i doubt he could crack a 4.7 last year and he still had a good year.... and mays has very poor instincts from what ive seen

threetoedpete
03-29-2010, 06:44 AM
I guess I'd like to see a player show it when it counts rather than when they are wearing shorts

The other part of it is Pat Hill tends to drive one guy, just like Gary Kubiak. If he came off the field on third and longs it could just be a function of giving the lead stud back a blow. They had quite a few backs on the roster at Fresno St.. So what was it about his combine performance that tends to lead you to believe he has brick layers hands ? I thought he looked very natural catching the ball. Not as good as Little David Anderson but a lot more natural than the hammer, Vonta Leach.

threetoedpete
03-29-2010, 06:56 AM
safety is one of the positions where being an incredible athlete doesnt help that much. what makes polamalu and reed etc so special? both are decent athletes (that ran a good bit slower than mays coming out) but it their instincts that make them what they are. same with sharper- i doubt he could crack a 4.7 last year and he still had a good year.... and mays has very poor instincts from what ive seen

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Wow. I hope your great great grand children don't find this one.

If Earls on the board, I've got him at 17 to Frisco, he's the pick. Perfect fit to go along with Pollard.

And just for the record, Polamlu ran like a corner and played liked a MLB in college. He didn't have the feet or hips for corner, but he hit a ton and made a ton of plays. Very instinctive player. Perfect player for the Steelers attacking 3-4 defense. You got a perfect guy on the board that fits what you do, you take him. What I will agree with you on is from my perspective, Gary Kubiak has his vision of what he wants his Safeties to be. Earl Thomas may not fit that vision. Also, they might just have a hard line on the position in terms of cap dollars. It might be that Smith and Kubiak have decided that they will not wreck the cap with an elite safety. If Iupati is off the board and Tomas is there, I run to the podium with the card. Just me, he looks perfect for our defense.