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Vinnie333
03-05-2005, 12:09 AM
I was listening to sports radio 610 today and i heard Casserly say that the texans will most likely just be drafting the best player available come draft day. What do yall think of this and who do you think this player is likely to be?

edo783
03-05-2005, 12:22 AM
Pretty much what he says every year.

Vinny
03-05-2005, 12:27 AM
He was referring to the first pick and he mentioned that we had a bit of pressure to take a linebacker (somewhere...he wasn't implying the first pick) but with the Greenwood transaction our roster doesn't have any gaping holes so we really don't have to reach for players now. He seemed to imply that we were looking at linebacker fairly early but do not have the pressure now. He also didn't sound to hot on a OL at 13. He sounded less than excited over the OL quality at the top when asked directly of the draft although he mentioned its deep in talent.

Vinnie333
03-05-2005, 12:48 AM
yeah, i heard him say that it was especially deep at WR in the later rounds. makes me think that we are going to draft one in possibly the 4th or 5th round.

D-ReK
03-05-2005, 01:25 AM
I agree with Charley's approach...

We should take BPA at one of the following positions: WR, OT, CB, D-Line, OLB, in that order...

Grid
03-05-2005, 01:26 AM
a GM saying they will take the BPA is such a useless comment.

the BPA is whoever he picks. if he grabs some no name kicker from saskatchawan.. it will be the BPA cause "he has huge huge potential.. more than any other player available at that spot"

Vinny
03-05-2005, 01:34 AM
a GM saying they will take the BPA is such a useless comment. Not really. If we really needed a guard and had the 3rd overall pick are you going to pass a guy like Derrick Johnson just because you need to fill a need?

D-ReK
03-05-2005, 01:36 AM
I would rather a GM say that we'll take BPA than say that we need a TE and have us take Kevin Everett when Troy Williamson hasn't been selected yet...

Grid
03-05-2005, 01:53 AM
yall miss the point :).. im not saying that going for BPA is stupid. Im saying that hearing it from a GM is stupid.. because no matter who he picks.. it will be the BPA.

Yah.. taking someone like Kevin Everett over DJ would seem really stupid to us.. but then all the GM has to do is turn around and say "Kevin was the BPA, he has more potential than any other player drafted".. and BAM.. he covered his ***.

we would still crucify him of course.. but all im saying is that BPA is too loose of a term to base anything off of... and having a GM saying "we will select BPA" really means nothing.

texanfan2002114
03-05-2005, 01:57 AM
The texans will draft a CB to start grooming for Glenn's replacement!!

hound
03-05-2005, 02:10 AM
The texans will draft a CB to start grooming for Glenn's replacement!!


But not with their first pick.

nunusguy
03-05-2005, 09:23 AM
Cass is not only cagey, but capable of being downright deceptive when hiding
his true intentions for the Draft. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a particular individual targeted for their top choice and are willing to give up
one of their third round picks (perhaps even more), to move up and get their
man even though right now he talks in a vague manner about we'll take the BPA when our turn rolls around. Lets face it, the Cass definition of BPA may be the BP you can get in exchange for your #1 and your #3 (or both of your #3 picks). They might really want someone in particular real, real bad but
we're not gonna know that at this point in time.

Wolf
03-05-2005, 09:25 AM
Texans this week IMO.. have done a good job masking what we will do in the draft.. we have filled the holes on the defensive side. and if we sign a center we will fill a need there also. We have filled holes, yet we still need upgrades/depth at positions..

I am a huge Sharper fan and it does kinda hurt to hear that he can seek a trade.. IMO I agree with Vinny on another thread.. Sharpers Agent may be playing hardball with an extention with the Texans..Texans are playing Hardball right back. I don't know, but I am speculating being Sharper's agent is negotiating Sharpers possible last or next to last Contract (depending on the years of the contract).. Business decision's on both sides of the fence.


This flurry of info that has gone down this week, with signing of players/possible trade of players.. means one thing.. Honeymoon is over

BuffSoldier
03-05-2005, 12:07 PM
Not really. If we really needed a guard and had the 3rd overall pick are you going to pass a guy like Derrick Johnson just because you need to fill a need?
I think saying that we will pick the BPA is just another way of saying, I'm npt going to say who we are looking at. Now of course if we had the #3 pick we would choose DJ over Bass, but thats jsut common sense of the draft. Thats like saying that if we have the 13th pick and Aaron Rogers is stillon the board, he would be the BPA, but I bet we wouldnt take him. The Tesans just are saying something so that they dont reviel their draft secrets to other teams.
Like last year, CC said they were going after the BPA, but also openly admitted that they tried to get a deal done and move up for Sean Taylor after the draft, so were they trying to fill a need or go after the BPA? They have certan people we will go after that wont be reveiled to after draft day.

texansfan88
03-05-2005, 12:21 PM
We should take BPA at one of the following positions: WR, OT, CB, D-Line, OLB, in that order...
That comment eliminates taking BPA...you're taking a need that is a BPA instead of say Marc Clayton over Derrick Johnson b/c of that order

Vinny
03-05-2005, 12:53 PM
I think saying that we will pick the BPA is just another way of saying, I'm npt going to say who we are looking at. Now of course if we had the #3 pick we would choose DJ over Bass, but thats jsut common sense of the draft. Speaking of common sense, if you actually apply it to the draft you understand that taking BPA would naturally exclude positions such as fullback, K, P or QB (since we already have a franchise QB and two massive cap hits is not smart at this position).

Corrosion
03-05-2005, 01:15 PM
wonder how many of us (i know i did) had the Texans takin D-Rob with last years first rounder . He was the best overall prospect left on the board at the time at any position . That is what BPA means . The best prospect available , the deeper into the draft you get the more muddied the term becomes as there is less of a difference in talent from one player to the next .

In this years draft there are very few players who STAND OUT from the rest and if you ask me there are really only TWO who are a step above all the rest , Ronnie Brown and DJ . After those two there is no huge difference in potential all the way to the bottom of the first round . None of the other players have particularly caught my attention throught the season / combine .

This draft is deep in several area's , such as CB , WR and OL prospects but not a one has set himself apart from the rest . The top QB prospects dont impress me at all . Neither do any TE's seem to be above and beyond their competition .

This is why so many teams want to trade down in this draft . Many teams at the top of this draft will overpay for talent that they could get 10 picks to one round later . As for who the Texans will end up with , its anyone's guess right now because of the fact so many players grade out equally .

Lets just hope several teams above the Texans reach for needs in this draft and the Texans stick to the plan of actually taking the best prospect available ...... not the best player that fills a need .

Honoring Earl 34
03-05-2005, 01:46 PM
:goodbad: I have a question . Would Aaron Rogers be the BPA or is there an influence because of position ? He might be the first player picked but I don't think he's the best .

My opinion is Derrick Johnson is the best pick in the draft . He has a career to match his workout numbers .

nunusguy
03-05-2005, 01:51 PM
If Cass were to elect to trade up from 13, I don't think that necessarily contradicts the concept of BPA. Whos to say he would make such a decision
based on need. Lets just say, for example, that Cass thinks that Derrick Johnson can have the same kind of impact in the NFL that Ray Lewis or LT did, in other words not be just a PB LB, but be a HOF LB. Even if we would have to give up multiple picks in addition to our 13th pick to get DJ, he still might feel that 1 man can make a bigger contribution to the team than the collective contribution of multiple players (or multiple starters). To have the opportunity to upgrade your D with a player you thought could be the next Ray Lewis would be compelling. I only chose DJ as an example - perhaps he might think that Marcus Spears can be the next Reggie White, etc..

Corrosion
03-05-2005, 06:10 PM
:goodbad: I have a question . Would Aaron Rogers be the BPA or is there an influence because of position ? He might be the first player picked but I don't think he's the best .

My opinion is Derrick Johnson is the best pick in the draft . He has a career to match his workout numbers .


Aaron Rodgers is probably not even in the top 10 as far as best prospects in this draft , the only reason he is slated as the top pick is because of his position ......

The Top 4 in my opinion are Ronnie Brown , DJ , Antrell Rolle and Cedric Benson . In that order .

NoBullTexan
03-05-2005, 08:18 PM
Why couldn't the player that best fills a need be the BPA? That sounds like a contradiction of terms. While I usually consider a G.M. saying he would take the BPA, nothing but flim-flammery, just to evade the question and not have to meet it head on, there is the possibility that it could occur.

After last years last game Charley Casserly said one thing that we can probably hang our hat on. He said that the offense had received the most attention the first two Drafts, so this Draft his intenton would be to improve the defense before it gets too old. That is a pretty valid point. So I think his major emphasis will be on the CB, LB, and DL in this Draft. Not necessarily in that order.

One thing I feel is that we will NOT tradeup. We did that last year and it has cost us in developing quality backups for some positions. :)

ArlingtonTexan
03-05-2005, 10:01 PM
Why couldn't the player that best fills a need be the BPA? That sounds like a contradiction of terms. While I usually consider a G.M. saying he would take the BPA, nothing but flim-flammery, just to evade the question and not have to meet it head on, there is the possibility that it could occur.

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From reading this it seems that most people are taking the idea as BPA drafting versus need drafting. The difference is not as extreme as it sounds. The idea that Casserly is saying that when faced with decision on which player versus another he is not going to pass on taking the more talented to take a less talented player at another position because they have a greater short term need. If the palyer are close to the same talent the higher need or want is taken. Basically, we as fans to take BPA to mean a team totally ignores the needs of the team which is taking an idea of preference too far.

Number19
03-05-2005, 11:12 PM
When the team makes a statement like : they'll be picking the best player available, this statement is based on their own assessment of the talent. In other words, the ranking of players on the Texans' board will not be the same as on another teams' board, and will reflect an assessment of how players fit into our system.

Casserly, or maybe Capers, has also made statements to the effect that they will get value with the pick, and if they don't feel the value is there, they will trade out of the position. This simply means if they do not want to particularly draft the BPA at a given draft slot, they will trade down and get the BPA at the lower position.

The bottom line is that the team has a plan for what must be done to improve the team and they will use and manipulate the draft to best accomplish their vision.

ArlingtonTexan
03-06-2005, 12:35 AM
When the team makes a statement like : they'll be picking the best player available, this statement is based on their own assessment of the talent. In other words, the ranking of players on the Texans' board will not be the same as on another teams' board, and will reflect an assessment of how players fit into our system.

Casserly, or maybe Capers, has also made statements to the effect that they will get value with the pick, and if they don't feel the value is there, they will trade out of the position. This simply means if they do not want to particularly draft the BPA at a given draft slot, they will trade down and get the BPA at the lower position.

The bottom line is that the team has a plan for what must be done to improve the team and they will use and manipulate the draft to best accomplish their vision.

Both of our post are pretty much straight out the BPA handbook. One thing to remember is that there is not always a trade down available even when that is the preferred move. Full value, despite whatever the GM spins is not always available.

In theory, BPA is the best long term way to build a team, but it does by its very nature leave the possibility of unresolved needs. Free Agency under this thought pattern is used to resolve those needs ahead of the draft and after the draft.

BPA, like any theory, is just that a theory and rarely has perfect application in real life. Some of that is intentional from the team and other times the way the draft falls forces their hand.

jags98
03-06-2005, 12:40 AM
yall miss the point :).. im not saying that going for BPA is stupid. Im saying that hearing it from a GM is stupid.. because no matter who he picks.. it will be the BPA.
having a GM saying "we will select BPA" really means nothing.

Kinda like with the Jags pick of Reggie Williams last year...."He was the best availble athlete :thumbdown "

Vinny
03-06-2005, 12:43 AM
Actually that was a classic need pick. You guys passed up better prospects to fill a need at WR.

texasguy346
03-06-2005, 12:45 AM
Kinda like with the Jags pick of Reggie Williams last year...."He was the best availble athlete :thumbdown "

That was a bit of a head scratcher kind of pick.

Blake
03-06-2005, 01:03 AM
That was a bit of a head scratcher kind of pick.

I thought he had a great chance to have a huge year. With Smith drawing most of the attention, Williams could have dominated. Im not even sure what went wrong with him. Its like he didnt even play. He didnt get injured did he?

texasguy346
03-06-2005, 02:15 AM
I thought he had a great chance to have a huge year. With Smith drawing most of the attention, Williams could have dominated. Im not even sure what went wrong with him. Its like he didnt even play. He didnt get injured did he?

No I don't recall him getting injured. Wilford just outshined him. I thought they should've went with Clayton or someone along those lines, but I guess their GM liked Williams better.

BuffSoldier
03-06-2005, 05:38 PM
Speaking of common sense, if you actually apply it to the draft you understand that taking BPA would naturally exclude positions such as fullback, K, P or QB (since we already have a franchise QB and two massive cap hits is not smart at this position).

Well duh, thats why I worded the post like that. Maybe you couldnt tell that I was sarcastic on the QB thing.

Honoring Earl 34
03-06-2005, 05:48 PM
:piano: I'm hoping the Texans get four good prospects . I think we have 8 picks thats hitting 50 % . We need at least 1 McDL a McOL a McCB and a I'll have a McWR with ketchup to go .