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Ole Miss Texan
03-09-2010, 05:37 PM
2009 NFL Payroll (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2009)

Team- ..............................Total Payroll
New York Giants..................$ 138,354,866
Miami Dolphins.....................$ 126,855,921
Houston Texans...............$ 122,258,610
New Orleans Saints...............$ 121,552,424
Chicago Bears......................$ 120,672,110
New York Jets......................$ 120,634,420
Pittsburgh Steelers...............$ 119,292,960
Green Bay Packers................$ 114,579,603
Tennessee Titans.................$ 113,494,050
Carolina Panthers.................$ 112,963,398
Oakland Raiders...................$ 111,527,250
Buffalo Bills.........................$ 111,253,126
Arizona Cardinals.................$ 111,138,646
Baltimore Ravens.................$ 109,503,397
Jacksonville Jaguars.............$ 106,879,214
Philadelphia Eagles...............$ 105,393,095
San Francisco 49ers.............$ 103,738,952
Indianapolis Colts.................$ 103,360,985
Denver Broncos....................$ 101,658,735
Washington Redskins.............$ 99,953,611
Detroit Lions........................$ 99,910,434
Minnesota Vikings.................$ 99,802,010
St. Louis Rams.....................$ 99,707,892
San Diego Chargers..............$ 97,716,395
New England Patriots............$ 96,913,133
Atlanta Falcons...................$ 95,062,952
Cleveland Browns.................$ 93,932,182
Cincinnati Bengals................$ 93,840,588
Dallas Cowboys....................$ 90,340,939
Seattle Seahawks.................$ 89,075,820
Tampa Bay Buccaneers..........$ 84,592,822
Kansas City Chiefs................$ 81,829,650

Are we still allowed to support arguements with facts and figures? For those "McNair is cheap" posters out there... discuss

Second Honeymoon
03-09-2010, 05:41 PM
Are we still allowed to support arguements with facts and figures? For those "McNair is cheap" posters out there... discuss

that number obviously doesn't include signing bonuses thus the Cowboys, Pats, and Skins being near the bottom...

..but thanks for trying. signing bonuses are how high revenue teams can make payroll work and improve their squads.

dalemurphy
03-09-2010, 05:49 PM
that number obviously doesn't include signing bonuses thus the Cowboys, Pats, and Skins being near the bottom...

..but thanks for trying. signing bonuses are how high revenue teams can make payroll work and improve their squads.

So, factoring in the payroll, are we near the bottom? Or, do you imagine we're still in the top half of the league?

CloakNNNdagger
03-09-2010, 05:59 PM
Didn't Jerry spend a couple extra bucks on a palace last year, after throwing stupid money after stupid players the year before?

Another fact that most fans don't take into account regarding all the benefits that the NFL owners (including Uncle Bob) don't have to fund for the players during an uncapped year..........................401Ks; annuity programs; health reimbursement accounts; severance pay; performance-based pay; and the tuition-assistance plan. Extra play money.

Ole Miss Texan
03-09-2010, 06:04 PM
that number obviously doesn't include signing bonuses thus the Cowboys, Pats, and Skins being near the bottom...

..but thanks for trying. signing bonuses are how high revenue teams can make payroll work and improve their squads.


For each player, the database shows his base salary, signing bonus, other bonuses and cap value. The base salary is the value according to his contract; however, contracts are not guaranteed and he may not have received the entire amount. The column labeled "salary" is the actual amount he received in base salary and bonuses combined.

:howdy:

Errant Hothy
03-09-2010, 06:06 PM
that number obviously doesn't include signing bonuses thus the Cowboys, Pats, and Skins being near the bottom...

..but thanks for trying. signing bonuses are how high revenue teams can make payroll work and improve their squads.

Signing bonuses do indeed count against the cap.

ArlingtonTexan
03-09-2010, 06:07 PM
I don't even bother to argue the difference anymore. The Texans( Astros too) spend poorly versus not enough. That has been consistent through both the Caper/Casserly and Smithiak administrations.

Errant Hothy
03-09-2010, 06:08 PM
I don't even bother to argue the difference anymore. The Texans( Astros too) spend poorly versus not enough. That has been consistent through both the Caper/Casserly and Smithiak administrations.

This holds more truth then the screams that Mcnair does not spend enough.

Ole Miss Texan
03-09-2010, 06:23 PM
I don't even bother to argue the difference anymore. The Texans( Astros too) spend poorly versus not enough. That has been consistent through both the Caper/Casserly and Smithiak administrations.

This holds more truth then the screams that Mcnair does not spend enough.

Agreed. Our biggest uses of cash last year were for Matt Schaub ($17 Million), Antonio Smith ($15 Million) and Dunta Robinson ($10 Million). Guess what, 1 of those guys we traded for, 1 of those guys we picked up in free agency and the last was a free agent we franchised.

Second Honeymoon
03-09-2010, 06:27 PM
So, factoring in the payroll, are we near the bottom? Or, do you imagine we're still in the top half of the league?

were middle of the road if not a little higher than middle of the road.

we are Top 5 in revenue though.

Second Honeymoon
03-09-2010, 06:27 PM
idk

Carr Bombed
03-09-2010, 09:06 PM
were middle of the road if not a little higher than middle of the road.

we are Top 5 in revenue though.

Who cares where we are revenue wise....that just means we have a healthy market which isn't bad at all.

The guy is spending money so the whole McNair is cheap theory is crap. It has been crap, the guy has spent money before and just because he's not throwing around huge bags of cash during a crappy FA period that doesn't make him cheap. It makes him smart. I swear it's getting to the point where I'm starting to feel some people around here wouldn't mind watching this team sink into salary cap hell just to see us sign overpriced FAs every single year and be tops in the league at money spent.

I have plenty of beefs with McNair and Smithiak, most of them are decision making, not the inability to sign a player. We could've had Cedric Benson for cheap, spending money isn't the main problem here... and no, Leigh Bodden is not worth that contract, so don't even go there.

Shaft75
03-09-2010, 10:08 PM
Does anyone know how much dead money is being spent with those figures? Just wondering.

wagonhed
03-09-2010, 10:09 PM
How are we so high on this list? I was under the impression that we were doing average to good in terms of salary cap. Can anyone interpret these numbers?

ps - everything I learned about the salary cap was from playing Madden

Shaft75
03-09-2010, 10:11 PM
How are we so high on this list? I was under the impression that we were doing average to good in terms of salary cap. Can anyone interpret these numbers?

ps - everything I learned about the salary cap was from playing Madden

Well, dumbta cost 10 mill., plus any dead money.

Lucky
03-10-2010, 12:22 AM
Well, dumbta cost 10 mill., plus any dead money.
Dead money has nothing to do with it. The payroll figure is strictly the $cash handed out in 2009 by the Texans to players in salary and bonuses. So no previous to '09 bonus money for any player on or off the roster is reflected by these totals.

BIG TORO
03-10-2010, 08:36 AM
Wow we should have been in the playoffs, spending that kind of money!

El Tejano
03-10-2010, 09:28 AM
If anything this tells me that we waisted our money stupidly on FA before and now we are trying not to make those mistakes.

Shaft75
03-10-2010, 10:25 AM
Dead money has nothing to do with it. The payroll figure is strictly the $cash handed out in 2009 by the Texans to players in salary and bonuses. So no previous to '09 bonus money for any player on or off the roster is reflected by these totals.

Am I getting the terminology right when I say "dead money"?

What I mean is the money that is spent towards paying players that aren't on the roster, like guys that we release.

infantrycak
03-10-2010, 11:07 AM
Am I getting the terminology right when I say "dead money"?

What I mean is the money that is spent towards paying players that aren't on the roster, like guys that we release.

Yes it simply doesn't apply to a payroll. There is payroll - money that actually goes out that year and dead money - money which has been paid out but has not yet been accounted for on the salary cap.

So for instance last year Smith got a $5 year, $35 mil deal with a signing bonus of $12.5 and a base 2009 pay of $3 mil. The payroll for 2009 would reflect expenditures of $15.5 mil - hard dollars already spent. The salary cap for 2009 would have him down for $2.5 mil of pro-rated signing bonus and $3 mil in salary for $5.5 mil of salary cap space. No dead money involved so far. If 2010 was a normal capped year and for some reason the Texans were to cut Smith then they would have to account for all the money paid out which hadn't gone on the 2009 salary cap so the $15.5 mil minus the $5.5 mil and they would have $10 mil in dead money on the 2010 cap. That can change with a June 1st cut but no need to go there right now.

Blake
03-10-2010, 11:19 AM
So what was the deal with Matt Schaub's money?

Base Salary: $ 6,950,000
Other Bonuses: $ 10,050,000
Total Salary: $ 17,000,000
Cap Space: $ 10,250,000

Ole Miss Texan
03-10-2010, 11:31 AM
So what was the deal with Matt Schaub's money?

Base Salary: $ 6,950,000
Other Bonuses: $ 10,050,000
Total Salary: $ 17,000,000
Cap Space: $ 10,250,000

We exercised the option to keep him which was $10MM. For accounting purposes, this may have been spread over several years resulting in Schaub accounting for $10MM against the cap instead of $17MM even though $17MM was actually paid.

badboy
03-10-2010, 12:09 PM
were middle of the road if not a little higher than middle of the road.

we are Top 5 in revenue though.Sounds like a well run business to me. Income much better than outgo. I am trying to run my budget that way. I am trying out free agents if any ladies are interested but I will not be drafting as my previous history at selecting long term starters is atrocious.

Texan_Bill
03-10-2010, 02:24 PM
FYI:

Matt Schaub 2010:

Base: $ 4,500,000.00
Allocated Bonus Pay: $ 3,300,000.00


Total 2010 Cap Figure: $ $7,800,000.00

Texan_Bill
03-10-2010, 02:32 PM
FYI:

Matt Schaub 2009:

Base: $ 6,950,000.00
Allocated Bonus Pay: $ 3,300,000.00


Total 2009 Cap Figure: $ $10,250,000.00

JB
03-10-2010, 02:34 PM
FYI:

Matt Schaub 2010:

Base: $ 4,500,000.00
Allocated Bonus Pay: $ 3,300,000.00


Total 2010 Cap Figure: $ $7,800,000.00

FYI:

Matt Schaub 2009:

Base: $ 6,950,000.00
Allocated Bonus Pay: $ 3,300,000.00


Total 2010 Cap Figure: $ $10,250,000.00

:confused:

Texan_Bill
03-10-2010, 02:59 PM
:confused:

He gets an annual salary (a), and he gets a prorated portion of his bonus (b), which the sum of, equals his Cap hit towards the teams salary cap (c).

Thus,

a + b = c

:D

JB
03-10-2010, 03:04 PM
He gets an annual salary (a), and he gets a prorated portion of his bonus (b), which the sum of, equals his Cap hit towards the teams salary cap (c).

Thus,

a + b = c

:D


Ok, but is it a or b?
a= $7,800,000.00
b= $10,250,000.00

infantrycak
03-10-2010, 03:08 PM
Ok, but is it a or b?
a= $7,800,000.00
b= $10,250,000.00

One is from 2009 (b) and one is from 2010 (a).

It is odd the prorated bonus remained the same in the calculation.

Texan_Bill
03-10-2010, 03:17 PM
One is from 2009 (b) and one is from 2010 (a).

It is odd the prorated bonus remained the same in the calculation.

Right. You would think it would be either front or back end loaded, rather than an equal distritbution.

JB
03-10-2010, 03:19 PM
One is from 2009 (b) and one is from 2010 (a).

It is odd the prorated bonus remained the same in the calculation.

Yeah, I know but TB had them both listed as 2010 cap figures... :texanbill:

Texan_Bill
03-10-2010, 03:23 PM
Yeah, I know but TB had them both listed as 2010 cap figures... :texanbill:

***Nevermind, I see what you're saying****

Fixed.

disaacks3
03-10-2010, 03:31 PM
One is from 2009 (b) and one is from 2010 (a).

It is odd the prorated bonus remained the same in the calculation.

Right. You would think it would be either front or back end loaded, rather than an equal distritbution. I'm guessing the the NFL required the option to be split evenly over the first three years as it was a "likely to be earned" bonus.

b0ng
03-10-2010, 10:06 PM
I'm awaiting SteelB's post in this thread.

Texan_Bill
03-10-2010, 10:23 PM
I'm awaiting SteelB's post in this thread.

Just curious, why?

leebigeztx
03-11-2010, 06:02 AM
They need to hire the Eagles cap guy. The eagles pay with cash(roster bonuses) vs credit (signing bonuses) and whenever they want to get a big time free agent,they go get him and still have plenty of cap space. They also pay players earlier once they identify the players uptick and get him before he sees his true market value. If ryans and daniels were in philly,they would have been signed long term after they're 2nd season. They bet with the violent nature and risk of injury,most players will take the money now vs waiting it out.

Ole Miss Texan
03-11-2010, 11:21 AM
They need to hire the Eagles cap guy. The eagles pay with cash(roster bonuses) vs credit (signing bonuses) and whenever they want to get a big time free agent,they go get him and still have plenty of cap space. They also pay players earlier once they identify the players uptick and get him before he sees his true market value. If ryans and daniels were in philly,they would have been signed long term after they're 2nd season. They bet with the violent nature and risk of injury,most players will take the money now vs waiting it out.

Chris Olsen is one of the best in the business. He spent 13 years in the NFL league office in New York and touched every single players' contract making sure they were in line with the CBA and salary cap.

b0ng
03-12-2010, 10:04 AM
Just curious, why?

Because I love it when facts beat up a tired argument.