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El Tejano
03-08-2010, 07:20 PM
Um....how come we haven't even talked to Niel Rackers? I mean place kicker is a position that needs to get better? I mean, bring some serious comp for that kicker that must have stock in Reliant.

J_R
03-08-2010, 07:58 PM
Jay Feely available too.

They'll bring in some no name guys, call it a competition, Brown will "win" the job, he'll be back.

eriadoc
03-08-2010, 08:01 PM
I just wanted my sig included in this thread.

El Tejano
03-08-2010, 08:07 PM
The thing is, we're acting like that's not a concern for the team. I'm telling you, KB has stock in Reliant.

mexican_texan
03-08-2010, 08:54 PM
Neil Rackers isn't any better. Neither is Jay Feely.

J_R
03-08-2010, 09:05 PM
Neil Rackers isn't any better. Neither is Jay Feely.



Feely: 30-36 this past year. Good for 83%. 82% for his career

Rackers: 16-17 this past year. Good for 94%. 78% for his career

Brown: 21-32 this past year. "Good" for 66%. 77% for his career.

El Tejano
03-08-2010, 09:09 PM
Feeley: 0% stock in Reliant
Rackers: 0% stock in Reliant
Kris Brown: Majority Owner

J_R
03-08-2010, 09:30 PM
Other FA kickers:

Billy Cundiff[split time w/ 2 teams in 09]: 6-6 in Cleveland. 100%. 12-17 in Baltimore. Good for 71%. 74% for his career.

Shayne Graham: 23-28 this past year. Good for 82%. 85% in his career. (Though has missed many post-season kicks or so it seems)

Shaun Suisham[split time w/ 2 teams in 09]: 18-21 in Washington. Good for 86%. 2-3 in Dallas. Good for 67%. 79% for his career.

Matt Stover: 9-11 this past year. Good for 82%. 84% in his career

PapaL
03-08-2010, 09:33 PM
In for the new kicker thread!

awtysst
03-08-2010, 09:39 PM
Feely: 30-36 this past year. Good for 83%. 82% for his career

Rackers: 16-17 this past year. Good for 94%. 78% for his career

Brown: 21-32 this past year. "Good" for 66%. 77% for his career.

77% vs 78% careerwise is not significantly different. Is 82% and 77% that different? I don't know.

I think we need a new kicker but also a different philosophy on offense. Just becuase we are in position for a 48 yd fg should not mean we run stop trying to improve the fg attempt. Cutting a 48 to a 42 could significantly improve our place kicking.

hookinreds
03-08-2010, 10:49 PM
Kicker will be addressed either as the last pick in the draft, or bringing in undrafted free agent kickers. Don't think we'd sign a retred, they want $.

barrett
03-08-2010, 11:12 PM
Would love to see you guys break out the soap for a Kicker. I expect them to bring in plenty of competition. It doesn't have to be a name guy. Just a guy who performs better than K. Brown.

But I'm on the record as saying I 100% expect him to be back this year and kick well. And if he doesn't then I think you'll see them replace him.

Nawzer
03-08-2010, 11:41 PM
The place kicker position must be improved. We need to bring in someone else because Kris Brown cannot be trusted. I hope the Texans are really seriously looking at an upgrade. We lost 2 games last year because of field goals and that can't happen next year.

Runner
03-09-2010, 08:22 AM
But I'm on the record as saying I 100% expect him to be back this year and kick well. And if he doesn't then I think you'll see them replace him.

This wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's a Texans tradition to keep poor performers like Chris Palmer, David Carr, Richard Smith, etc. a year too long and be surprised that they didn't magically get better during the off-season.

They need to quit dandling those who are arguably costing the team wins, speed their decision process, and exercise a 100% comittmemt to winning.

gtexan02
03-09-2010, 08:35 AM
This team just confounds me sometimes. Kris Brown legitimately cost us multiple games this year.

When you are on the line in a "Playoffs or bust" mode, and your KICKER loses more than 1 game in the last few minutes, you have a problem.

There are tons of guys who can kick a football. You have to show accountability. I want KB gone yesterday. If I was one of the other players, I would be furuious. They fumble the ball once and they're benched, but KB misses at point blank in his only job and he gets another year. Wtf??

TD
03-09-2010, 08:58 AM
There are tons of guys who can kick a football.

While true, unfortunately there aren't tons who can kick it accurately in a game situation.

I expect Brown to keep his job IF he has a good preseason, but I think even if he makes the team he will be on a VERY short leash.

CloakNNNdagger
03-09-2010, 09:32 AM
While true, unfortunately there aren't tons who can kick it accurately in a game situation.

I expect Brown to keep his job IF he has a good preseason, but I think even if he makes the team he will be on a VERY short leash.

.........like he was all last year.:spin:

HOU-TEX
03-09-2010, 10:28 AM
I think TB used to be a kicker. Get your butt out there, TB!

Mr. White
03-09-2010, 10:38 AM
This seems like a pretty easy problem to solve.

1. Find a college kicker that made clutch kicks when he was in college.

2. Find a couple more.

3. Bring them in to camp.

El Tejano
03-09-2010, 11:09 AM
This seems like a pretty easy problem to solve.

1. Find a college kicker that made clutch kicks when he was in college.

2. Find a couple more.

3. Bring them in to camp.
That's what I'm saying. I guess we aren't looking at FA kickers because we don't want to spend alot of money on PKs. However, I would consider it because our offense hasn't necessarily shown to be nails inside the 20s and we had quite a few bad second halves where our offense/coaching would sputter once we got inside the 40. Be nice to come away with some points.

SouthSideTexan
03-09-2010, 12:23 PM
Maybe we could look at Morton Anderson or Tony Zendejas. Kickers have a long shelf life....... Right.

TD
03-09-2010, 12:23 PM
This seems like a pretty easy problem to solve.

1. Find a college kicker that made clutch kicks when he was in college.

2. Find a couple more.

3. Bring them in to camp.

cough ***Sebastian Janikowski*** cough

Its still a crap shoot until they are in the NFL pressure games. I don't know the answer....I just know its not a simple one.

eriadoc
03-09-2010, 12:34 PM
cough ***Sebastian Janikowski*** cough

Its still a crap shoot until they are in the NFL pressure games. I don't know the answer....I just know its not a simple one.

That's true, but I'd rather take a chance on a guy that we don't know for sure he's flamed out under NFL pressure before, rather than take a guy who was cut from another team because he failed.

TD
03-09-2010, 01:26 PM
That's true, but I'd rather take a chance on a guy that we don't know for sure he's flamed out under NFL pressure before, rather than take a guy who was cut from another team because he failed.

Its such a head game. You don't know if you getting a Brad Lidge or a Mitch Williams. Sometimes a successful player who seems to have lost it just needs a change of scenery.....sometimes not.

SOOOOO much optimism for this year to be sweating the @#*%ing kicker. I hate this.

eriadoc
03-09-2010, 02:07 PM
SOOOOO much optimism for this year to be sweating the @#*%ing kicker. I hate this.

I do too. Unfortunately, the kicker can mean the difference between a mediocre season and a Super Bowl. Where would the '01 Pats have been without Adam Vinatieri? That's an extreme example, but it's valid nonetheless. That was a team that managed to pull out some victories in the closing moments when it counted. With a team like the Texans, they need they can count on.

Runner
03-09-2010, 02:33 PM
SOOOOO much optimism for this year to be sweating the @#*%ing kicker. I hate this.

The kicker contributed his fair share in keeping the Texans out of the play-offs last season, and he capped that season with two missed field goals AND a missed extra point in the "biggest game in Texans history".

Somebody within the Texans organization better be sweating the kicker too...if they truly are committed to excellence.

Double Barrel
03-09-2010, 02:39 PM
Care Bear McNair likes Kris Brown, and by golly, he's a niiiiice guy. This is reason enough to keep him on the roster.

Runner
03-09-2010, 02:55 PM
Care Bear McNair likes Kris Brown, and by golly, he's a niiiiice guy. This is reason enough to keep him on the roster.

That's why I dusted off the word "dandling" in a previous post.

dandle:
1. to move (a baby, child, etc.) lightly up and down, as on one's knee or in one's arms. (www.dictionary.com)

"It's OK, Kris. Kicking is hard. Nobody else could make those kicks either."

SteveSlaton20
03-09-2010, 07:57 PM
This seems like a pretty easy problem to solve.

1. Find a college kicker that made clutch kicks when he was in college.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp100/draino32/12ChampionshipNebraskavTexasRA7ZpIu.jpg

El Tejano
03-10-2010, 09:30 AM
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp100/draino32/12ChampionshipNebraskavTexasRA7ZpIu.jpg

That dude is not that good. Yes he made the big kick against Nebraska but he also barely made that one.

HuttoKarl
03-10-2010, 09:46 AM
Any kicker competition is likely to come from a super late round pick or UDFA. The guy from Ohio State is probably the best one out there this year.

MannyFresh
03-13-2010, 10:25 PM
Definitely needs to be addressed problem is, cept for the several that time and time again has called for Kris "Ian Howfield" Brown's head, is that there are too many unnecessary KB lovers out there that feel "this was an off year and he'll be back better, look what he's done in the past", and blah blah blah....they keep saying "oh he help us beat Indy many moons ago". Thing is, of the games he FAILED, we could have either won or had a shot to win.

barrett
03-14-2010, 07:09 PM
Texans scouts attended Wisconsin's Pro Day on Wednesday March 10 and, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, stayed late to watch the workout of kicker Jeff Schebler from the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater. (http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner~y2010m3d12-Texans-getting-busy-with-Pro-Day-visits)

swtbound07
03-14-2010, 08:07 PM
I fully expect KB back kicking for us next year. I truely hope he's gotten over the yips and goes back to being what he used to be.

SteveSlaton20
03-14-2010, 10:22 PM
That dude is not that good. Yes he made the big kick against Nebraska but he also barely made that one.

it was enough to send texas to the ncg.

if he can kick a 46 yard fg to send a team to a championship, he'll be fine in the nfl.

but i expect KB to be back, but if he misses late kicks, then i want him out.

El Tejano
03-15-2010, 12:40 PM
it was enough to send texas to the ncg.

if he can kick a 46 yard fg to send a team to a championship, he'll be fine in the nfl.

but i expect KB to be back, but if he misses late kicks, then i want him out.

IMO there is too much on the line for this franchise/Gary Kubiak this year. We need to make the playoffs. I say put that position up for grabs and have one of those competitions that's so good Kris Brown doesn't even want to give any pointers much less talk to some new kicker that comes in. Does anyone remember how one or two years ago we brought in a kicker to just be there in preseason and Kris was nails that season?

I'm not down for this "let's wait and see if he can get right" Prevention is always the best cure.

BullNation4Life
03-15-2010, 01:14 PM
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp100/draino32/12ChampionshipNebraskavTexasRA7ZpIu.jpg

this guy is better...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/759/slideshow_75901/display_image.jpg

if he comes out this year, only a JR...

El Tejano
03-15-2010, 01:20 PM
this guy is better...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/759/slideshow_75901/display_image.jpg

if he comes out this year, only a JR...

That's the dude I'm talking about. He kicked better than the UT kid in the Big 12 Championship game.

Runner
03-15-2010, 02:17 PM
IMO there is too much on the line for this franchise/Gary Kubiak this year. We need to make the playoffs.

To me, the kicker situation is a microcosm of the Texans franchise and the decisions they've made in the past and will have to make in the future.

1) Make no mistake - Kris Brown is a good guy who also does a lot in the community.

2) The Texans have guaranteed money tied up in him.

3) He is not performing up to the level the team requires to reach its next level.

Will the Texans show a commitment to winning where everything else is secondary? To do that they must replace their underperforming kicker. They did not show that commitment last year when they went against the Patriots in the biggest "must win to make the playoffs" game in franchise history. They were fortunate to score enough points to beat that team easily; had they been in a close game the two missed field goals and missed extra point could have been devastating.

In the past, the Texans have taken a patient, "let's hope things get better next year" approach. They've done that with Carr, Palmer's offense, and Smith's defense among others. If they continue with this corporate culture, then Kris Brown will return with little or no competition.

One way or another, I think we will see evidence that either:

A) These are the same old Texans, who use some combination of good guy image, focus on guaranteed money, and lack of accountability to make decisions. They then count on baseless hope to sell the team as being on the cusp of being a contender.

B) The team, from the owner through the front office to the coaches have turned a corner in their attitude and approach and are truly committed to winning. This would raise expectations within both the player and fan communities.

This is why I think the kicker situation and upcoming decision is a big deal.

2slik4u
03-15-2010, 02:21 PM
That's true, but I'd rather take a chance on a guy that we don't know for sure he's flamed out under NFL pressure before, rather than take a guy who was cut from another team because he failed.

Its pretty apparent to me that hes flamed out. I think he missed 3-4 game winner/tying kicks last year. Thats bull#$%^. If your job is to kick, then you need to kick well. If not, hit the road Jack. I would hate for us to lose one more game due to kicking just because hes been an original member.

If he made one of those kicks to win the game, we wouldve been in the playoffs.

I dont want to go through that again this year.

TexanSam
03-17-2010, 01:41 AM
I'm willing to give Kris Brown another chance. Through preseason at least. If he misses more than 1 kick during that time (and that kick has to be 52 yards +) then the Texans should seriously consider going in a different direction.

El Tejano
03-17-2010, 08:51 AM
Does anyone recall Kris Brown's FG pct in 2005? I sure do remember him missing some ridiculous kicks then too which contributed to the 2-14 season we had. Remember that bad kick against Tenn?

eriadoc
03-17-2010, 10:14 AM
Does anyone recall Kris Brown's FG pct in 2005? I sure do remember him missing some ridiculous kicks then too which contributed to the 2-14 season we had. Remember that bad kick against Tenn?

In '04 he hit 70.8% of his kicks. He hit all 7 of his kicks from 29 and under, and only hit 58.8% of his kicks 30+ yards.

In '05 he hit 76.0% of his kicks. He hit all 9 of his kicks from 29 and under, and only 68% of his kicks 30+ yards.

In '06 he hit 76% of his kicks. He hit all 4 of his kicks from 29 and under, and hit 70% of his 30+ kicks (which is good for him).

To contrast, in '07 and '08, he had good years by any standard, and hit a combined 87.1%, while hitting 86.7% of kicks at 30+ yards.

For further perspective, see my sig.

2slik4u
03-17-2010, 10:15 AM
That dude is not that good. Yes he made the big kick against Nebraska but he also barely made that one.

Thats a ridiculous thing to say.

El Tejano
03-17-2010, 01:32 PM
Thats a ridiculous thing to say.

Are you saying because a FG made is a FG made? Well go back and look at KBs made FGs, alot of those are barely made. There are times when you can see a FG kicker start to fall apart even when he makes them. Early in the season, KB was barely making them wide right or wide left. As the season wore on he started missing wide left alot.

HoustonFrog
03-17-2010, 03:47 PM
Dear Lord

:bubbles:

MannyFresh
03-17-2010, 04:00 PM
Are you saying because a FG made is a FG made? Well go back and look at KBs made FGs, alot of those are barely made. There are times when you can see a FG kicker start to fall apart even when he makes them. Early in the season, KB was barely making them wide right or wide left. As the season wore on he started missing wide left alot.


See? Told ya the sympathetic to KB crowd would come out.

El Tejano
03-17-2010, 04:13 PM
See? Told ya the sympathetic to KB crowd would come out.

I believe (I could be wrong) the person that responded to me was referring to why I said that kicker from UT was not that good. Pretty much saying that for me to discount him because he barely made a FG is ridiculous. I was just saying that you can't discount that, because it shows how the FG kicker will eventually suck in the clutch...just like Kris Brown started to.

I assume you were talking to me about how Kris Brown sympathizers would come out, and not saying I am a KB sympathizer. That I'm totally not.

MannyFresh
03-17-2010, 08:57 PM
I believe (I could be wrong) the person that responded to me was referring to why I said that kicker from UT was not that good. Pretty much saying that for me to discount him because he barely made a FG is ridiculous. I was just saying that you can't discount that, because it shows how the FG kicker will eventually suck in the clutch...just like Kris Brown started to.

I assume you were talking to me about how Kris Brown sympathizers would come out, and not saying I am a KB sympathizer. That I'm totally not.

You are correct in that the sympathizers would be coming out...ready for a whole season next year of covering your eyes on every FG and PAT? I am if that clown starts.

Texan_Bill
03-17-2010, 10:06 PM
this guy is better...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/759/slideshow_75901/display_image.jpg

if he comes out this year, only a JR...

That's the dude I'm talking about. He kicked better than the UT kid in the Big 12 Championship game.

OOOOOOOooooooh Nooooooz... Not another Nebraska kicker! :gun:

Texan_Bill
03-18-2010, 12:07 AM
I was being facetious............. or, in other words......keep ****ing around..

barrett
03-18-2010, 12:47 AM
I love the off season.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2010, 12:15 PM
ESPN Insider said that McClain has been Twittering about the owners meeting. He says Kubiak is told people at a breakfast that Kris Brown will have competition starting in OTAs, not just training camp and pre-season. Shayne Graham and Suisam possibilities?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors

HOU-TEX
03-23-2010, 12:30 PM
Nice to see this thread back. I really had a hankerin for some kicker talk.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2010, 12:59 PM
Nice to see this thread back. I really had a hankerin for some kicker talk.

Blame it on the heavy breather. I'm just reporting it. :)

HOU-TEX
03-23-2010, 01:02 PM
Blame it on the heavy breather. I'm just reporting it. :)

:lol: at "heavy breather"

I hear ya, bro. I's just joshin. I'm all for a kicker competition.

Insideop
03-24-2010, 04:55 AM
Just read this article by McClain on Brown. Looks like they won't draft a Kicker but he wouldn't rule it out completely. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6927381.html

Corrosion
03-25-2010, 08:16 AM
I fully expect KB back kicking for us next year. I truely hope he's gotten over the yips and goes back to being what he used to be.

A 77% career kicker ? Thats not good enough.

El Tejano
03-25-2010, 08:28 AM
I'd draft one still.

Grams
03-27-2010, 09:23 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/27/gostkowskis-aim-is-true/

Maybe Brown just needs more practice like Gostkowski.

Mailman
04-02-2010, 11:33 AM
Jay Feely signs with the Cardinals.

Kubiak needs to bring in Rackers to compete with Kris Brown.

In unrelated news, a google image search of Rachel Rackers is worth a minute of your time.

TD
04-02-2010, 11:42 AM
In unrelated news, a google image search of Rachel Rackers is worth a minute of your time.

Yes it was. :)

Maybe we can bring Rackers in to get us to the playoffs and then find someone else once we're there. ;)