PDA

View Full Version : Wade Smith G to visit this weekend


ArlingtonTexan
03-05-2010, 06:19 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6898618.html


The Texans have lined up a weekend visit with Kansas City guard Wade Smith.

Smith, 6-4, 296, is an eight-year veteran who grew up in Dallas and played college ball at Memphis.

WolverineFan
03-05-2010, 06:21 PM
Good, we need O-Lineman and Smith is quality. He's not a stud, but he'd be an upgrade over Studdard or Myers.

ArlingtonTexan
03-05-2010, 06:24 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/smithwade/profile?id=SMI782502

profile from NFL.com

bckey
03-05-2010, 06:28 PM
He is visiting with the Bills today. Hopefully he gets out of there without a contract. He has a few ties to the Bills. Check it out.

Buffalo’s coaching staff is very familiar with Smith’s abilities as Bills offensive line coach Joe D’Alessandris coached him the past two seasons with the Chiefs, while Gailey was his offensive coordinator in 2008.


http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-3/OL-Smith-visits-Bills/12c0d5db-9b11-4d12-b8c8-95568965e382

m5kwatts
03-05-2010, 06:44 PM
I think he's depth and camp competition. Studdard and Brisiel/Caldwell are still tentatively starters I'd say (very tentatively).

Tailgate
03-05-2010, 06:48 PM
I think he's depth and camp competition. Studdard and Brisiel/Caldwell are still tentatively starters I'd say (very tentatively).

I think he would be a favorite to start imo. Either way, we sorely need depth at this position after last year and with Pitts basically gone.

ArlingtonTexan
03-05-2010, 06:53 PM
I think he's depth and camp competition. Studdard and Brisiel/Caldwell are still tentatively starters I'd say (very tentatively).

Apparently, he can play almost anywhere along the line, and the local guy in the link thought he was the most valuable Olmen for the Chiefs last year.

Hardcore Texan
03-05-2010, 07:29 PM
Sounds like a quality player.

Tailgate
03-05-2010, 07:50 PM
I know some aren't too high on pro football focus rankings and they are definitely debatable... but according to them he would be better than anything we had last year at Guard and his strength would be in the running game.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=G&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Hervoyel
03-05-2010, 08:39 PM
I'm just not feeling it. He hasn't started 16 games since 2003 and he's supposed to be better than anything we had last year at guard? Sounds to me like he was more or less exactly what we had last year at guard, just older. Just what the Texans needed, a guy who's spent most of 8 years in the league sitting on the bench behind other, better players.

Reminds me of the last time we went to KC and picked up some OL depth. Jordan Black part-deux.

Now there was a real difference maker eh?

mussop
03-05-2010, 08:44 PM
Didn't KC's OL suck balls last year? Not exciting news.

CloakNNNdagger
03-05-2010, 08:49 PM
Didn't KC's OL suck balls last year? Not exciting news.

27th in the league...........let me contain my excitement.:shades:

edo783
03-05-2010, 09:15 PM
A reasonably solid player. Not a standout by ANY stretch of the imagination, but probably would add good depth.

ArlingtonTexan
03-05-2010, 10:00 PM
He is largely what you are going to get this year in free agency. Pretty much everybody is some combination of old, injured and/or mediocore. Smith is probably a better version of Chris White.

Here is one list. the guys in red are either RFA or have signed somewhere else. Literally, outside of our Chester Pitts, this guy is the "best" left that fits what the Texans do.


http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2010G.php

beerlover
03-05-2010, 10:07 PM
He is largely what you are going to get this year in free agency. Pretty much everybody is some combination of old, injured and/or mediocore. Smith is probably a better version of Chris White.

Here is one list. the guys in red are either RFA or have signed somewhere else. Literally, outside of our Chester Pitts, this guy is the "best" left that fits what the Texans do.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2010G.php

Chester must not have fit what they wanted to do because they made no attempt whatsoever to re-sign him? Also for all those Iupati fans another smaller undersized zbs OG. I've learned my lesson each year getting excited about OL prospects only to succumb to other teams leftovers. not a happy camper :roast:

mussop
03-05-2010, 10:16 PM
Chester must not have fit what they wanted to do because they made no attempt whatsoever to re-sign him? Also for all those Iupati fans another smaller undersized zbs OG. I've learned my lesson each year getting excited about OL prospects only to succumb to other teams leftovers. not a happy camper :roast:

I hear you beerlover. A 289 pound OG from one of the worst lines in football doesnt do it for me either.

TheRealJoker
03-05-2010, 10:29 PM
More I read about him the more I think he's the OL version of Antonio Smith. Just a solid versatile lineman who can acquit himself well in the trenches. I would prefer us to pick up Stephen Neal just because I think with his former NCAA champion wrestling pedigree and being a starting caliber OL with the Patriots he would provide us a guy who could actually get us some push in the pocket but I wouldn't be at all upset with Smith if he can supplant one of the current starters.

I'd really like to see Caldwell step up and be the player we need him to be. I don't call bust on rookies but considering who was starting ahead of him last year i'm awfully tempted to say he underperformed for his all SEC 4 year starter at Alabama pedigree.

ArlingtonTexan
03-05-2010, 10:37 PM
Chester must not have fit what they wanted to do because they made no attempt whatsoever to re-sign him? Also for all those Iupati fans another smaller undersized zbs OG. I've learned my lesson each year getting excited about OL prospects only to succumb to other teams leftovers. not a happy camper :roast:

FWIW, I have seen him listed anywehre from 296 to 315, so I have no real idea what his actually playing weight is. The thing with interior OLmen is that a team had to either develop or get lucky on a mid-late round guys or even high UDFA for those spots. I saw that stats earlier this week, it is was something like over the last 8 drafts only like 12-15 interior Olmen have been 1st round guys. Basically, whatever you style is a team needs to figure out how to propely evaluate Guards and Centers.

ChampionTexan
03-05-2010, 10:37 PM
More I read about him the more I think he's the OL version of Antonio Smith. Just a solid versatile lineman who can acquit himself well in the trenches. I would prefer us to pick up Stephen Neal just because I think with his former NCAA champion wrestling pedigree and being a starting caliber OL with the Patriots he would provide us a guy who could actually get us some push in the pocket but I wouldn't be at all upset with Smith if he can supplant one of the current starters.

I'd really like to see Caldwell step up and be the player we need him to be. I don't call bust on rookies but considering who was starting ahead of him last year i'm awfully tempted to say he underperformed for his all SEC 4 year starter at Alabama pedigree.

Neal's not gonna happen:

The Patriots continued to show Randy Moss they really do pay Friday, signing guard Stephen Neal. Mike Reiss of ESPN Boston.com writes that it's a two-year contract.

LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/patriots-bring-back-stephen-neal/)

keyser
03-05-2010, 11:17 PM
The Texans have seemed to make it a plan to sign FAs to any positions that are hardcore "need' positions before the draft, freeing them to take more of a BPA approach. With Pitts leaving, they really need someone else on the OL, even if just for depth/backup. Smith ought to be able to fill that role - not a huge improvement, but enough that the team doesn't absolutely have to pick up an OL in the draft.

By the same logic, I would really expect them to pick up a RB (assuming Slaton is not ready - if they really think he is, they might not) before the draft - again, even if it's not as a starter.

nero THE zero
03-06-2010, 12:07 AM
The Texans have seemed to make it a plan to sign FAs to any positions that are hardcore "need' positions before the draft, freeing them to take more of a BPA approach.
That's been their MO, so it's not surprising.

Wolf6151
03-06-2010, 01:05 AM
The guy is 296 lbs., don't we already have undersized issues on our O-line. Another training camp competition signing. Let's get someone good and quit screwing around, let's add some size and talent to our weak O-line.

CloakNNNdagger
03-06-2010, 07:01 AM
The guy is 296 lbs., don't we already have undersized issues on our O-line. Another training camp competition signing. Let's get someone good and quit screwing around, let's add some size and talent to our weak O-line.

It seems that most of the time we go for "backup quality" OL to go along with our existing mostly "backup quality" OL.:cool:

whiskeyrbl
03-06-2010, 08:08 AM
I was surprised to find that this guy was a starter. I have never heard of him. Was he a starter because of an injury or is he a decent lineman? As much as I would have liked to have had Peppers i am glad we did not pour out $72 million on him. Our FO will not make many moves till mid week when the pay scale drops a bit. We may not get the sexy names out there but as long as they get good, hard working "football savy" players I am ok with it. We as fans see the small pieces of the puzzle that our team needs to fix while they see the whole and make moves according to that. Just keep improving and moving forward and I will have no problems with their moves. And I think the Falcons are gonna regret the Dunta contract in the near future.

steelbtexan
03-06-2010, 08:12 AM
Didn't KC's OL suck balls last year? Not exciting news.

Eloquently put

I was thinking the same thing.

Kaiser Toro
03-06-2010, 08:20 AM
Part of the off season strategy is to bring in depth. I hope that this is the case.

This seems like a pretty standard off season for the Texans to me. In fact, the off season, pre-season and season are normally mildly dull and average.

steelbtexan
03-06-2010, 08:21 AM
The guy is 296 lbs., don't we already have undersized issues on our O-line. Another training camp competition signing. Let's get someone good and quit screwing around, let's add some size and talent to our weak O-line.

This

The FO needs to change their way of thinking. What they've done with regards to aquiring OL talent obviously hasn't worked in the past.

steelbtexan
03-06-2010, 08:22 AM
it seems that most of the time we go for "backup quality" ol to go along with our existing mostly "backup quality" ol.:cool:

lol

steelbtexan
03-06-2010, 08:25 AM
Part of the off season strategy is to bring in depth. I hope that this is the case.

This seems like a pretty standard off season for the Texans to me. In fact, the off season, pre-season and season are normally mildly dull and average.

LOL

KInda like the whole Texans organization. Normally mildly dull and average.

8-8, 8-8, 9-7

ArlingtonTexan
03-06-2010, 09:03 AM
This

The FO needs to change their way of thinking. What they've done with regards to aquiring OL talent obviously hasn't worked in the past.

The one thing that is is clear is that they are NOT going to change the basic philosophy that Kubiak has spent his entire career over. Not worth frustating myself with thinking otherwise at this point.

Errant Hothy
03-06-2010, 09:24 AM
Wade Smith to talk to the Buffalo media at noon.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/06/wade-smith-will-meet-the-buffalo-media-at-noon/

With Bills fans hoping for the team to find a new quarterback, the franchise will tender to the media at noon on Saturday free-agent guard Wade Smith, who visited the team on Friday (as pointed out in Josh Alper's most recent one-liners).

The organization distributed moments ago a text message announcing that Smith will be available today for questions. By all indications, he has not yet signed a contract.

Other teams have applied this approach in the past, most notably the Eagles. A free agent visits, and he then talks to the media before a deal is done.

Usually, the player ultimately signs.

El Tejano
03-06-2010, 09:38 AM
This guys name reminds me of Kevin Wade and Robairs Smith. GAG!!!!

JB
03-06-2010, 09:48 AM
This guys name reminds me of Kevin Wade and Robairs Smith. GAG!!!!

Who is Kevin Wade?



Do you mean Todd?

Kaiser Toro
03-06-2010, 09:49 AM
Who is Kevin Wade?



Do you mean Todd?

Todd Wades? :kitten:

JB
03-06-2010, 09:54 AM
Todd Wades? :kitten:

No, he waddles

CloakNNNdagger
03-06-2010, 11:48 AM
Wade will indeed probably sign with the Bills because of his old OC. It'll have to be for the money and a promise to start. Because the Bill's offense, OL and the rest are up in the air, doesn't make it an appealing venue for a winner.

CloakNNNdagger
03-06-2010, 12:17 PM
From the Bills.com:

Free agent visitor Wade Smith was to address the media at noon Saturday, but meetings with the coaching staff and front office ran long. Smith ran out of time before he had to catch a flight to Houston so he did not comment to us or reporters.

Three Bills negotiators were rushed to the Hospital with severe rug burns, sustained while begging Smith to stay.

ATXtexanfan
03-06-2010, 12:31 PM
From the Bills.com:



Three Bills negotiators were rushed to the Hospital with severe rug burns, sustained while begging Smith to stay.
Nice one

Why not listen to what houston has to offer before committing to the bills. Kc to buffalo is a lateral move at best.

painekiller
03-06-2010, 01:42 PM
Didn't KC's OL suck balls last year? Not exciting news.

I agree with you, this guy did not start on a good OL for the Jets, and he starts on a bad OL in KC. Sorry, that screams backup on a good team. Sounds like another depth guy so your a$$ is covered during the draft if you do not find an instant starter available at your pick.

painekiller
03-06-2010, 01:47 PM
The guy is 296 lbs., don't we already have undersized issues on our O-line. Another training camp competition signing. Let's get someone good and quit screwing around, let's add some size and talent to our weak O-line.

Go look at the size of the guys Rick Dennison started the season with. This is his and Kubiak's model. Even when it appears to be outdated.

TheRealJoker
03-06-2010, 02:09 PM
I'd love to see us make a run for Casey Wiegmann. He's a bit older (36?) but I think he could be to the Texans what Kevin Mawae was for the Titans the last couple years. He had a bad year because Denver switched away from a pure ZBS but he is one of the best ZBS centers in football.

A veteran presence like him would be a welcome addition in the interior OL. He's got the Bronco connection, so its just a matter of our new OC/his former OL coach signing off on him.

barrett
03-06-2010, 02:14 PM
If Wade Smith makes it out of Buffalo this could be useful to read:

Alan Burge get's it right. He researches cheifs fans and finds that they feel like he was one of their best options and versitile as can be.

One way to gauge a player's value is to read their current team blogs and check out the fan reaction to news that one of their players might be leaving.

The reaction on arrowheadpride.com was good if you're a Texans fan. On a scale of 1-5 where 5 has fans leaping off buildings in despair and 1 is 'don't let the door hit you in the ass,' Smith weighs in at a solid 3.5.

Joel Thorman, the author of the item on arrowheadpride said Smith was "among the most valuable offensive linemen for the (Chiefs) in 2009." Keeping in mind that we're talking about a not-so-good Chiefs line on a team that's in the midst of a major rebuild.

But nonetheless, the reaction by Chiefs fans to the possibility of losing Smith was mostly negative - which means mostly positive for Texans fans. It's nothing like when the Texans signed Jordan Black a few years ago. Chiefs fans were rolling on the floor laughing at that one.

Every report I've read about Smith cites his ability to play multiple positions on the offensive line.

Chiefs Examiner Dan Rose characterizes Smith as "a versatile offensive lineman." Rose said that Smith initially came in as a tackle when he signed with Chiefs, but mostly played guard and center while at Kansas City. Rose says Smith is "a terrific value" because of his versatility.



did I mention that Alan Burge is the sh!t?

http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner~y2010m3d6-Texans-free-agency-update--Wade-Smith-to-visit

UPDATE: according to DaleMurphy Wade Smith made it out of Buffalo without a contract and is on his way to Houston. Who thinks he doesn't make it out of here?

El Tejano
03-06-2010, 03:12 PM
Who is Kevin Wade?



Do you mean Todd?

Yes. Shows you how much I cared for his services huh?

michaelm
03-06-2010, 04:23 PM
did I mention that Alan Burge is the sh!t?



AJ is next to us in the Platinum lot. If you're ever in the area on game day, stop by our spot, S4. There is always some interesting football talk going on.

CloakNNNdagger
03-06-2010, 04:51 PM
I'd love to see us make a run for Casey Wiegmann. He's a bit older (36?) but I think he could be to the Texans what Kevin Mawae was for the Titans the last couple years. He had a bad year because Denver switched away from a pure ZBS but he is one of the best ZBS centers in football.

A veteran presence like him would be a welcome addition in the interior OL. He's got the Bronco connection, so its just a matter of our new OC/his former OL coach signing off on him.

He just left Washington. Looks like Shanny wasn't smitten with the idea.

aj.
03-06-2010, 05:13 PM
Barrett, you are officially scaring me.

What's up S4?

My vibe on Wade Smith is that he would be a decent backup and spot starter on a team with a good OL.

edo783
03-06-2010, 06:38 PM
Barrett, you are officially scaring me.

What's up S4?

My vibe on Wade Smith is that he would be a decent backup and spot starter on a team with a good OL.

In other words, he is a premo starter here.

infantrycak
03-06-2010, 07:52 PM
did I mention that Alan Burge is the sh!t?

aj needs to take over for McClain.

texanfan2002114
03-06-2010, 09:30 PM
aj needs to take over for McClain.

Hell yea!!

NitroGSXR
03-06-2010, 09:40 PM
aj needs to take over for McClain.

I'd start picking up the Houston Chronicle.

barrett
03-06-2010, 10:25 PM
AJ is next to us in the Platinum lot. If you're ever in the area on game day, stop by our spot, S4. There is always some interesting football talk going on.

I'm in the Orange lot Michael. Dale Murphy tailgates with me. We'll stop over some time and talk shop. Informed discussions are so few and far between. Would love to.

Barrett, you are officially scaring me.

Don't be scared Alan. I'm just starved for relevance. And you're our only source. I was just bragging about your post to Dale. A great example of why you are so much better at this than any of our other options: You hear news of Wade Smith and you go and find the relevant information about him. What do knowledgable Chiefs fans think of him? It's common sense stuff. If someone with McCain's connections and contacts had your effort and logical process we as fans would probably be much more involved in the day to day news of the team. Might even sell a paper or two.

As far as I know, you were the only person to clarify the DelJuan signing. It's the details. Not every Texans fan sits around listening to Adam Schefter (I'm sure many do). Many of us recognize that we know more about the team than those "expert journalists" do. But we dont have access to the information.

I find often times that I am aware of information that Mr. McClain and certainly the national writers doesn't even know about. Not sure That's ever happened with you.

Ryan
03-06-2010, 11:59 PM
His name scares me for sure with the Todd Wade and Robaire Smith thing. :voodoo:

El Tejano
03-07-2010, 08:17 AM
I'd love to see us make a run for Casey Wiegmann. He's a bit older (36?) but I think he could be to the Texans what Kevin Mawae was for the Titans the last couple years. He had a bad year because Denver switched away from a pure ZBS but he is one of the best ZBS centers in football.

A veteran presence like him would be a welcome addition in the interior OL. He's got the Bronco connection, so its just a matter of our new OC/his former OL coach signing off on him.

Well he made it out of Washington. They went with Artist Hicks instead. So just maybe.

If we could come out of FA with Wiegeman and this Smith guy, I think that would be pretty productive. We needed to get tougher on the interior of the OL and that would work. It would allow us to go with a good center and OG in the 5th round and beyond.

TheRealJoker
03-07-2010, 12:37 PM
Any word on whether Smith left town without a contract?

CloakNNNdagger
03-07-2010, 02:25 PM
Any word on whether Smith left town without a contract?

He came in today, but won't meet with the Texans until tomorrow.

El Tejano
03-07-2010, 03:24 PM
Did they ever say any more about Dan Neal coming to visit?

JB
03-07-2010, 03:29 PM
Did they ever say any more about Dan Neal coming to visit?

I believe he re-signed.

The Pencil Neck
03-07-2010, 03:31 PM
Did they ever say any more about Dan Neal coming to visit?

Dan Neal? You mean Stephen Neal from the Patriots? Stephen Neal re-signed with the Pats.

Goatcheese
03-07-2010, 03:32 PM
Didn't Seattle lowball Rob Sims?

I would much rather go grab him. A 4th for a guy who could develop into a pro bowl type lineman is a steal.

He gave up 1 sack, 1 QB hit, and 10 QB pressures in 560 snaps in pass protection.

Casey Studdard gave up 4 sacks, 7 QB hits and 20 QB pressures in 584 snaps in pass protection.

gary
03-07-2010, 04:28 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/358482-whats-taking-so-long

The Pencil Neck
03-07-2010, 10:38 PM
You know, Scout.com actually shows Wade Smith as a C.

We wouldn't be bringing him in for the C position, would we?

Assuming we re-sign Pitts...

Brown Pitts Smith Caldwell Winston

Or... Weiggman is still out there, too. How about...

Brown Pitts/Smith Weiggman Caldwell Winston

With Myers and either White or Studdard as depth along with Butler.

barrett
03-08-2010, 01:04 AM
he's played every position on the line. We'd be bringing him in because he's diverse.

keyser
03-08-2010, 01:35 AM
Does anyone know what these visits actually involve? I assume there are interviews, but no drills or anything. Do they do physicals?

I guess what I'm wondering is - what (barring some horrendously bad interview) would make a team say "no" after they've brought someone in? I would think they would know 90% of what they needed to from film or whatever before they brought somene in. Plus, I would think they would work out at least the general parameters of a deal beforehand. What exactly is the point of bringing people in (besides recruiting them - convincing the player)? It seems there are a lot more people that leave without offers (overall, not just the Texans) than I would have guessed.

Cjeremy635
03-08-2010, 07:54 AM
Does anyone know what these visits actually involve? I assume there are interviews, but no drills or anything. Do they do physicals?

I guess what I'm wondering is - what (barring some horrendously bad interview) would make a team say "no" after they've brought someone in? I would think they would know 90% of what they needed to from film or whatever before they brought somene in. Plus, I would think they would work out at least the general parameters of a deal beforehand. What exactly is the point of bringing people in (besides recruiting them - convincing the player)? It seems there are a lot more people that leave without offers (overall, not just the Texans) than I would have guessed.

I would imagine they start off just trying to get a feel for the player. Check out his personality and game intellect. I'd also imagine that they talk about his would be role on the team and gauge his response to said role. I'm sure if both parties are happy with the outcome of the meeting, then a physical would be scheduled, followed by a contract.

texanfan2002114
03-08-2010, 04:43 PM
Looks like Wade left without a contract.....

Adam_Schefter Arizona is bringing in free agent DT Nick Eason and free agent OL Wade Smith for a visit tonight and tomorrow.

Pantherstang84
03-08-2010, 06:53 PM
Looks like Wade left without a contract.....

Adam_Schefter Arizona is bringing in free agent DT Nick Eason and free agent OL Wade Smith for a visit tonight and tomorrow.

Looks like Chester is going to have to work real hard on the rehab or I-64 will be back in business.

awtysst
03-08-2010, 08:42 PM
Maybe they heard the Colts released Ryan Lilja and wanted to bring him in instead.

keyser
03-08-2010, 09:26 PM
Looks like Wade left without a contract.....

Adam_Schefter Arizona is bringing in free agent DT Nick Eason and free agent OL Wade Smith for a visit tonight and tomorrow.

I wonder if this is Smith more than the team - i.e. wanting to visit several places and decide between them (wasn't he at Buffalo just before us). I think it used to be that people would visit several teams then decide - now it seems more like a "decide while in town, or not at all" kind of thing. Maybe Smith's plan all along was to visit several places and then compare offers.

Dutchrudder
03-09-2010, 10:11 AM
I wonder if this is Smith more than the team - i.e. wanting to visit several places and decide between them (wasn't he at Buffalo just before us). I think it used to be that people would visit several teams then decide - now it seems more like a "decide while in town, or not at all" kind of thing. Maybe Smith's plan all along was to visit several places and then compare offers.

He was at Washington before coming to Houston.

HOU-TEX
03-09-2010, 10:23 AM
He was at Washington before coming to Houston.

Actually, he was in Buffalo before coming to Houston.


The Bills hosted OL Wade Smith for a free agent visit on Friday.
Finally -- Bills news. Smith, also slated to visit Houston on Saturday, could help Buffalo at right tackle or even right guard if Eric Wood (broken leg) isn't ready for Week 1. Smith, though, would be a backup on a good team.

The Cardinals will host free agent DL Nick Eason and OL Wade Smith on Monday night and into tomorrow.

Smith has already met with Buffalo and Houston, while this is Eason's first visit. Eason, who can play nose tackle and defensive end in the 3-4 in a backup capacity, is familiar with Arizona's staff from their Steelers days.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NfL&id=1249

CloakNNNdagger
03-09-2010, 12:03 PM
Actually, he was in Buffalo before coming to Houston.


http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NfL&id=1249

Actually, I hear he was also in love before coming to Houston.:bubbles: