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Spled
03-05-2010, 04:59 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/05/ben-roethlisberger-accused-of-sexual-assault/

HOU-TEX
03-05-2010, 05:01 PM
Good grief, Ben!

TMZ.com reports that Ben Roethlisberger has been accused of sexually assaulting "a young woman in Georgia."

The credibility Andrea McNulty hoped for finally arrives. Big Ben was also accused of raping McNulty in a July 2009 civil suit. The new allegations stem from an incident at the Capital City Club in Milledgeville, GA. The woman has been treated and released from the hospital, but police have already interviewed Roethlisberger. The Georgia Bureau of Investigations is also on the case, though no charges have been filed. Yet.

Spled
03-05-2010, 05:03 PM
Jinx! Ok, merge threads.

JDizzle
03-05-2010, 05:31 PM
Does she look like a horse?

b0ng
03-05-2010, 08:27 PM
So I guess he has to go by

The Pittsburgh Plunger

Pollardized
03-05-2010, 09:19 PM
Looks like Big Ben has a problem keeping Little Ben in the huddle.

Texan_Bill
03-05-2010, 09:26 PM
Looks like Big Ben has a problem keeping Little Ben in the huddle.

:lol:

*ahem* I know it's a serious allegation, but that was some funny shite right there.

edo783
03-05-2010, 09:45 PM
Beginning to have the look of a sexual predator. I hope not, but ....

gtexan02
03-05-2010, 11:45 PM
Beginning to have the look of a sexual predator. I hope not, but ....

Or hes developed a reputation for someone who settles out of court...

Koolaid Time
03-06-2010, 08:47 AM
Need to clarify some things for you under Georgia law. From what I understand, he supposedly just groped her. "Little Ben" was not involved, because that would be a charge of Rape or Sodomy.

The charge is question is "sexual battery".. which is different than rape.
Here is the Georgia law.

16-6-22.1. Sexual battery.
(a) For the purposes of this Code section, the term "intimate parts"
means the primary genital area, anus, groin, inner thighs, or buttocks
of a male or female and the breasts of a female.
(b) A person commits the offense of sexual battery when he
intentionally makes physical contact with the intimate parts of the body
of another person without the consent of that person.
(c) A person convicted of the offense of sexual battery shall be
punished as for a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature.

steelbtexan
03-06-2010, 08:57 AM
Good grief, Ben!

Good groping, Ben!

LOL

Pollardized
03-06-2010, 09:18 AM
Need to clarify some things for you under Georgia law. From what I understand, he supposedly just groped her. "Little Ben" was not involved, because that would be a charge of Rape or Sodomy.

The charge is question is "sexual battery".. which is different than rape.
Here is the Georgia law.

16-6-22.1. Sexual battery.
(a) For the purposes of this Code section, the term "intimate parts"
means the primary genital area, anus, groin, inner thighs, or buttocks
of a male or female and the breasts of a female.
(b) A person commits the offense of sexual battery when he
intentionally makes physical contact with the intimate parts of the body
of another person without the consent of that person.
(c) A person convicted of the offense of sexual battery shall be
punished as for a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature.


I'm not sure if "just groped her" somehow is supposed to lighten the charge, but let's say someone "just groped" my daughter, or my wife, Georgia's sexual battery law would be the least of Big Ben's, or Little Ben's for that matter, worries.

The fact is the man has a problem keeping his hands, or other body parts, to himself.

Napa Auto Parts
03-06-2010, 09:27 PM
I wonder if ben has to register as a SEX OFFENDER.

NitroGSXR
03-06-2010, 10:03 PM
I dub thee... Big Ben Rapethlisberger.

mexican_texan
03-06-2010, 11:34 PM
I dub thee... Big Ben Rapethlisberger.
Rapethisburger?

Yeah, I know, sorry.

chicagotexan2
03-06-2010, 11:40 PM
I dub thee... Big Ben Rapethlisberger.

how about rothlis-raper?

Texan_Bill
03-06-2010, 11:50 PM
How about Roethlisinnocentuntilprovenguilty....berger??? :D

Maddict5
03-07-2010, 06:12 AM
How about Roethlisinnocentuntilprovenguilty....berger??? :D

he's guilty. theres no smoke without fire you know.






















:user:

GP
03-07-2010, 12:00 PM
OK, OK. I've seen enough of this annual song & dance from Ben.

I think this guy is on his way out. I just don't get a positive vibe of where his life is headed.

WolverineFan
03-07-2010, 12:05 PM
This is noted as his second case of "sexual assault", but it should be considered his first. The one that is in court right now is complete bogus. You don't get sexually assaluted, then brag about it to friends and coworkers, then report it a year later. If he doesn't get off scot-free and then sue that girl for defamation then there is a problem with the justice system.

However, this second case seems a bit more serious.

Corrosion
03-07-2010, 12:06 PM
How about Roethlisinnocentuntilprovenguilty....berger??? :D

I agree with ta TB - Innocent until proven guilty .... But damn , this is becoming a trend with Ben. Once I can see him being completely innocent , twice ? There has to be more to it than nothing.

GP
03-07-2010, 12:07 PM
This is noted as his second case of "sexual assault", but it should be considered his first. The one that is in court right now is complete bogus. You don't get sexually assaluted, then brag about it to friends and coworkers, then report it a year later. If he doesn't get off scot-free and then sue that girl for defamation then there is a problem with the justice system.

However, this second case seems a bit more serious.

Yeah, but there's been other stuff, too.

Photos, motorcycle accident, etc. I mean, you're an NFL QB. A Super Bowl winning QB. For one of the best teams in the league.

He is wrecking himself, IMO. But it's his life. Live it up, Ben.

WolverineFan
03-07-2010, 12:12 PM
Yeah, but there's been other stuff, too.

Photos, motorcycle accident, etc. I mean, you're an NFL QB. A Super Bowl winning QB. For one of the best teams in the league.

He is wrecking himself, IMO. But it's his life. Live it up, Ben.

Forgot about the motorcycle accident. That was a disaster.

GP
03-07-2010, 12:18 PM
Forgot about the motorcycle accident. That was a disaster.

Yeah, I guess there's way more that goes on in the private lives of NFL players. Stuff we'll never hear about (but would be shocked to know who did what, etc.).

Still, I think if you're making good money as a player for a sports franchise, you'd sort of slow down and think "Gee, I'm not in college anymore. I might want to treat this like a real job."

I just hope the guy doesn't destroy himself. We've got enough of those stories to last us the next 100 years.

Blake
03-08-2010, 05:06 PM
Some people would stay away from these kinds of settings when it happened the first time.

But not big Ben. He just cant leave that college tail alone.

jerek
03-08-2010, 05:22 PM
I really don't know the first thing about Ben's innocence or guilt, but IMO he could give the titty bars and clubs a break. If trouble seems to find you, maybe it's time you move ...

Hervoyel
03-08-2010, 05:46 PM
I'm very much of the opinion that he's not a sexual predator/rapist. What I am certain of is that Ben Roethlisberger is a dumbass who keeps putting himself in positions like this. The man has very questionable judgement in my opinion and someone needs to try and get through to this guy that he's not made of teflon and that sooner or later one of these chicks whose butt he gropes or who he nails while she's drunk is going to get before the right judge or set of jurors. Eventually someone is going to get lucky and clean out his Scrooge McDuck money vault and possibly throw his butt in jail.

You have to be smarter than this Ben and if you don't learn then someone is going to come along and teach you an expensive and probably humiliating lesson.

Goatcheese
03-08-2010, 07:21 PM
Hey yo Big Ben, I know you gropin' and I'ma let you finish, but Kevin Pereira had the greatest grope of ALL TIME!

http://www.blog.inspiretech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/olivia-munn-jiggle-02.gif

Txn_in_FL
03-08-2010, 07:32 PM
Hey yo Big Ben, I know you gropin' and I'ma let you finish, but Kevin Pereira had the greatest grope of ALL TIME!

http://www.blog.inspiretech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/olivia-munn-jiggle-02.gif


Thanks for that.

TD
03-09-2010, 08:45 AM
Two lessons for Ben. Yankees need to stay out of Georgia and more importantly, guys pushing 30 need to quit partying with college kids. There is NOTHING in Milledgeville but the university (ok and a state hospital) so you know what he was doing there. Its time for Ben to grow up and find kids his own age to play with.

TD
03-09-2010, 08:51 AM
Hey yo Big Ben, I know you gropin' and I'ma let you finish, but Kevin Pereira had the greatest grope of ALL TIME!

http://www.blog.inspiretech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/olivia-munn-jiggle-02.gif

Completely off topic, but I wanted to see who the chick was so I Googled "Kevin Pereira grope" and this thread was the 3rd hit. Pretty impressive.

JB
03-09-2010, 08:53 AM
Completely off topic, but I wanted to see who the chick was so I Googled "Kevin Pereira grope" and this thread was the 3rd hit. Pretty impressive.

I get a kick out of her facial expression...

Kaiser Toro
03-09-2010, 09:32 AM
I'm very much of the opinion that he's not a sexual predator/rapist. What I am certain of is that Ben Roethlisberger is a dumbass who keeps putting himself in positions like this. The man has very questionable judgement in my opinion and someone needs to try and get through to this guy that he's not made of teflon and that sooner or later one of these chicks whose butt he gropes or who he nails while she's drunk is going to get before the right judge or set of jurors. Eventually someone is going to get lucky and clean out his Scrooge McDuck money vault and possibly throw his butt in jail.

You have to be smarter than this Ben and if you don't learn then someone is going to come along and teach you an expensive and probably humiliating lesson.

I have been to three Steelers games the past four years with a life long Steelers fan who travels from Vegas for three home games a year. The restaurant we eat at is where many of the Steelers go to eat after a game (can't recall the name) and I have seen Ben there twice and he had an active entourage. One night my buddy spoke with Bettis (I was not there) and asked about Ben after the motorcycle accident, and Bettis said something to the effect of - 'Ben is a great guy, who let's the kid out too much.'

Goatcheese
03-09-2010, 11:54 AM
Completely off topic, but I wanted to see who the chick was so I Googled "Kevin Pereira grope" and this thread was the 3rd hit. Pretty impressive.

Olivia Munn (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=olivia+munn&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=).

I get a kick out of her facial expression...

The cringe is hilarious.

CloakNNNdagger
03-09-2010, 09:42 PM
http://0.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/sportspickle/f/9/sportspickle.24751edfad39a0cc7b92c0e9aab436f7.jpg



The sexual assault allegations against Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger continue to pile up.


The latest accusation, reported today, is from a man who works closely with the star: Steelers backup quarterback Dennis Dixon.

According to Pittsburgh police, Dixon claims Roethlisberger assaulted him late one night at the Steelers training facility while the pair were watching film behind closed doors. But Roethlisberger's attorney, Ed Garland, claims no assault occurred.

"Ben is completely innocent of any crime," said Garland. "We question Dennis Dixon's motives."

Dixon, who started one game for the Steelers last year when Roethlisberger was injured, says he has no motive other than wanting to see justice done. But the fact that he waited months to report the alleged incident, and that he would stand to get the starting job if Roethlisberger was imprisoned or suspended, cast some doubt on his story.

Pittsburgh police have spoken to a possible witness of the alleged attack, Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch, but the third-stringer was not helpful.

"I didn't see anything," he said. "I slept through that film session. I wasn't going to play, so I had no reason to stay awake. Plus, it was Browns tape, I think. Extra boring. I hope Ben didn't touch me while I was sleeping."

As the case is expected to devolve into he-said, she said -- only with two he's -- Ed Garland has stressed that his client has no sexual attraction to men, "which make Dixon's claims preposterous." However, Dixon's attorneys have turned over tapes to police that show numerous instances of Roethlisberger slapping teammates on the butt.

"There is a track record with Ben," said Dixon. "That is undeniable now. I hear Byron Leftwich left the Steelers because Ben used to comment all the time on how big his breasts are."

LINK (http://www.sportspickle.com/article:716/dennis-dixon-accuses-ben-roethlisberger-of-sexual-assault)

Texan_Bill
03-09-2010, 09:48 PM
I'm very much of the opinion that he's not a sexual predator/rapist. What I am certain of is that Ben Roethlisberger is a dumbass who keeps putting himself in positions like this. The man has very questionable judgement in my opinion and someone needs to try and get through to this guy that he's not made of teflon and that sooner or later one of these chicks whose butt he gropes or who he nails while she's drunk is going to get before the right judge or set of jurors. Eventually someone is going to get lucky and clean out his Scrooge McDuck money vault and possibly throw his butt in jail.

You have to be smarter than this Ben and if you don't learn then someone is going to come along and teach you an expensive and probably humiliating lesson.

This...^^^^ Quit putting yourself in situations where you make yourself vulnerable for bad situations.

Hey yo Big Ben, I know you gropin' and I'ma let you finish, but Kevin Pereira had the greatest grope of ALL TIME!

http://www.blog.inspiretech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/olivia-munn-jiggle-02.gif
:lol:

I agree with ta TB - Innocent until proven guilty .... But damn , this is becoming a trend with Ben. Once I can see him being completely innocent , twice ? There has to be more to it than nothing.

Exactly, innocent until proven guilty but damn dude, why do you put yourself in situations where you can be accused? Someone mentioned the motorcycle accident....Dude, slow your role..

Napa Auto Parts
03-10-2010, 10:38 PM
i dont see what the big deal is i mean Big Ben is the right "Type" of QB the NFL wants to market its product.
its not like he was fighting pitbulls to death now thats Awful:roflcopter:

Texan_Bill
03-10-2010, 10:50 PM
i dont see what the big deal is i mean Big Ben is the right "Type" of QB the NFL wants to market its product.
its not like he was fighting pitbulls to death now thats Awful:roflcopter:

One convicted. (time served, second chance afforded)

The other innocent proven guilty... (albeit, where there is smoke, there's usually fire)

Maddict5
03-13-2010, 05:25 PM
i know its late but i had to post this for the lolz

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee68/WooleverTim/youre_next1.gif


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1062/roerapist.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
03-13-2010, 11:34 PM
I understand Ben is refusing to give a DNA sample and his attorney is supporting this move. I say, arrest him and watch him pee in his pants. Then, you can take a free, legal opportunity to gather his DNA.:tiphat:

BigTimeTexanFan
03-14-2010, 12:28 PM
http://0.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/sportspickle/f/9/sportspickle.24751edfad39a0cc7b92c0e9aab436f7.jpg



The sexual assault allegations against Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger continue to pile up.




LINK (http://www.sportspickle.com/article:716/dennis-dixon-accuses-ben-roethlisberger-of-sexual-assault)

Man, that picture reminds me of Will Ferrell.

Wolf
04-08-2010, 07:19 PM
Ben Roethlisberger Sexual Assault Case Escalated To D.A.
NFL star, Ben Roethlisberger, according to authorities in Georgia is the subject of their investigation into a 20-year-old college student's claim that Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her at a nightclub, police said Wednesday. Milledgeville police chief Woodrow Blue said in a statement that his department and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation handed the investigation report and witness statements to local district attorney Fred Bright on Tuesday evening. Blue said his department would have no further comment on the case.


Bright's office on Wednesday acknowledged receiving the report and said he wouldn't make any comment until he had reviewed it.
Authorities were investigating the claim that Roethlisberger sexually assaulted the woman early March 5 at a club in Milledgeville. No charges have been filed, and Roethlisberger's lawyer, Ed Garland, disputed the claim and hired his own team to investigate.
It was the second time in a year the two-time Super Bowl champion had been accused of sexual misconduct. Roethlisberger also faces a lawsuit filed in July by a woman who says he raped her in 2008 at a Lake Tahoe hotel and casino, an allegation he denies. Ben Roethlisberger has not been criminally charged in either case and has claimed counterdamages in the lawsuit.





http://dimewars.com/Blog/ViewBlogArticle.aspx?vn=Ben+Roethlisberger+Sexual+ Assault+Case+Escalated+To+D.A.&BlogID=96b843b5-1608-42c6-9220-579451bea2d6

gary
04-08-2010, 07:35 PM
So, is this a third claim?

awtysst
04-08-2010, 07:40 PM
So, is this a third claim?

No. I think its still the second one. I think what it means is the police have investigated the manner and have turned over their results to the DA. The District Attorney will now review the evidence to see if there is enough to call for an indictment and eventually a trial.

gary
04-08-2010, 07:41 PM
Got it.

gary
04-09-2010, 07:40 PM
Ben will not face charges per ESPN.

CloakNNNdagger
04-09-2010, 09:46 PM
Ben will not face charges per ESPN.

That refers to this recent charge. The 2008 charge is still pending.

CloakNNNdagger
04-09-2010, 10:05 PM
It's truly strange how the club surveillance tapes mysteriously disappeared.
This REPORT (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/is-big-ben-closer-to-being-off-the-hook-no-28097)chronicles the "strange happenings" that have befallen prosecution of this case.

MORE... (http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/59140/police_officer_posed_for_pictures_with_ben_roethli sberger_before_complaint)

El Tejano
04-09-2010, 10:13 PM
It's truly strange how the club surveillance tapes mysteriously disappeared.
This REPORT (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/is-big-ben-closer-to-being-off-the-hook-no-28097)chronicles the "strange happenings" that have befallen prosecution of this case.

The Polish Mafia strikes again!!!!!

awtysst
04-10-2010, 12:37 AM
Looks like the DA did not believe there was a strong enough case to move forward. Legally no charges will be filed in this case.

Whether or not Big Ben is guilty of sexual assault, he is clearly guilty of horrendously bad judgment. He went to a club in a college town to get laid by a college chick. The man needs to exercise better judgment than that. Hopefully he will learn from this situation.

I do think its rather convenient that the club security tapes mysteriously vanished though...

gary
04-10-2010, 08:28 PM
That refers to this recent charge. The 2008 charge is still pending.When will that case be either closed or brought to court?

CloakNNNdagger
04-10-2010, 09:43 PM
[QUOTE=gary;1402857]When will that case be either closed or brought to court?[/QUOTE
Criminal charges have still not been brought forth on the first incident. However, he is facing a lawsuit filed last July.

gary
04-10-2010, 10:18 PM
When will we know if charges are going to be handed down in the first case?

CloakNNNdagger
04-10-2010, 10:33 PM
When will we know if charges are going to be handed down in the first case?

Sorry, can't tell you. But, probably there will be no charges since civil lawsuits are usually not filed until criminal aspects of a case are completed. That way plaintif attornies are able to use previously gathered evidence ala OJ.

CloakNNNdagger
04-12-2010, 02:13 PM
Fox News has just reported the prosecutor has officially announced that there is not enough evidence to pursue criminal charges...........that they could not make a case with existing evidence "without reasonable doubt."

Dutchrudder
04-12-2010, 05:33 PM
So after listening to the DA's briefing, I get the impression that there are two things that prevent this from going to trial.
1. being a lack of DNA and/or physical evidence of rape.
2. being that the 'victim' was voluntarily piss-@ss drunk.

Going off of number 2, is it really possible for it not to be considered rape or sexual assault if the victim is so drunk that you can not prove she did not consent to sex? (In Georgia at least) That's how it sounded to me, but I might be missing something.

Napa Auto Parts
04-13-2010, 02:08 AM
Well i truly believe a settlement was reached by Little ben and this Young LADY.

if not we will see a civil lasuit for sure.

chicagotexan2
04-13-2010, 10:19 AM
Big Ben Went Down to Georgia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxA1PaesSJE

eriadoc
04-13-2010, 10:21 AM
So after listening to the DA's briefing, I get the impression that there are two things that prevent this from going to trial.
1. being a lack of DNA and/or physical evidence of rape.
2. being that the 'victim' was voluntarily piss-@ss drunk.

Going off of number 2, is it really possible for it not to be considered rape or sexual assault if the victim is so drunk that you can not prove she did not consent to sex? (In Georgia at least) That's how it sounded to me, but I might be missing something.

Innocent until proven guilty. If she can't prove that he forced himself on her, then he's not guilty. Of course, we all know what really happened, but hey ... OJ got away with murder. These things happen.

drewmar74
04-13-2010, 10:38 AM
Innocent until proven guilty. If she can't prove that he forced himself on her, then he's not guilty. Of course, we all know what really happened, but hey ... OJ got away with murder. These things happen.

But it doesn't necessarily make these things easier to swallow.....

eriadoc
04-13-2010, 10:41 AM
But it doesn't necessarily make these things easier to swallow.....

Must resist bad joke.

drewmar74
04-13-2010, 10:42 AM
But it doesn't necessarily make these things easier to swallow.....

Must resist bad joke.

C'mon, man, I laid a freakin' meatball out there right across the plate.

Dutchrudder
04-13-2010, 11:03 AM
But it doesn't necessarily make these things easier to swallow.....

Well if she had done that, then she would have some evidence...

Dutchrudder
04-13-2010, 11:06 AM
Innocent until proven guilty. If she can't prove that he forced himself on her, then he's not guilty. Of course, we all know what really happened, but hey ... OJ got away with murder. These things happen.

I understand the innocent until proven guilty part for this case, but after listening to the DA's report, it sounded like the victim was too drunk to have valid testimony against Ben. As in, you can't be a victim if you were too drunk to reject his advances or too drunk to have reliable testimony. That's what it sounded like to me, so I'm asking if anyone knows if that can be used against a victim in court.

chicagotexan2
04-13-2010, 11:14 AM
Must resist bad joke.

He was just practicing taking snaps.

eriadoc
04-13-2010, 11:28 AM
I understand the innocent until proven guilty part for this case, but after listening to the DA's report, it sounded like the victim was too drunk to have valid testimony against Ben. As in, you can't be a victim if you were too drunk to reject his advances or too drunk to have reliable testimony. That's what it sounded like to me, so I'm asking if anyone knows if that can be used against a victim in court.

Yep, that's what it sounds like to me as well. So this case basically serves as notice that it's better to pour shots of tequila down their neck so you can take advantage of them later. If they complain after, well, they don't have much in the way of testimony and a little cash on the side should hush things up.

Queue up "What A Wonderful World" by Louis.

Corrosion
04-13-2010, 12:43 PM
I wonder when the next woman accuses him of a sexually related offense.

infantrycak
04-13-2010, 01:04 PM
I wonder when the next woman accuses him of a sexually related offense.

PFT is reporting some lawyer stating there was another similar episode that he was investigating.

TEXANRED
04-13-2010, 01:21 PM
PFT is reporting some lawyer stating there was another similar episode that he was investigating.

Big Ben getting accused of sexual assualt is like a 10-82, which is disappearing a dead hooker from Ben Affleck's trialer.

"Mr. Goodell we have a 21-20 in progress."

Roger Goodell, "oooooooooooooo that Roethlisberger."

Corrosion
04-13-2010, 01:29 PM
PFT is reporting some lawyer stating there was another similar episode that he was investigating.

That didnt take long :mcnugget:

CloakNNNdagger
04-13-2010, 01:50 PM
That didnt take long :mcnugget:

What also didn't take long is being dumped by at least 1 major endorsement.

Pittsburgh Company Cuts Ties with Roethlisberger (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/pittsburgh-company-cuts-ties-with-roethlisberger/)

CloakNNNdagger
04-13-2010, 01:55 PM
PFT is reporting some lawyer stating there was another similar episode that he was investigating.

Another case that the woman chose not to go through the process of pursuing charges.

Corrosion
04-13-2010, 02:01 PM
What also didn't take long is being dumped by at least 1 major endorsement.

Pittsburgh Company Cuts Ties with Roethlisberger (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/pittsburgh-company-cuts-ties-with-roethlisberger/)

Nike should have had as much sense in dealing with Woods.

CloakNNNdagger
04-13-2010, 02:08 PM
Nike should have had as much sense in dealing with Woods.

Yeh. Nike is not responding now to Big Ben's indiscretions either.

CloakNNNdagger
04-13-2010, 02:13 PM
Innocent until proven guilty. If she can't prove that he forced himself on her, then he's not guilty. Of course, we all know what really happened, but hey ... OJ got away with murder. These things happen.

Just another case of "If the stall doesn't fit, you must acquit" :chef:

Brando
04-13-2010, 03:00 PM
Jim Carrey: Ben Roethlisberger Sexually Assaulted Me

Jim Carrey appears to be making a habit of offering helpful sports commentary. Just days after saying that Tiger Woods' wife was a "willing participant" in her husband's infidelity, the actor has weighed in on the problems facing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

In a series of tweets on Sunday, Carrey wrote that he needed to tone down his future tweets -- before (hopefully) joking that Big Ben sexually assaulted him:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/156465/JIM-CARREY-BEN-ROETHLISBERGER.jpg

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/12/jim-carrey-ben-roethlisbe_n_533788.html)

Double Barrel
04-13-2010, 03:32 PM
Innocent until proven guilty. If she can't prove that he forced himself on her, then he's not guilty. Of course, we all know what really happened, but hey ... OJ got away with murder. These things happen.

A drunk college girl wanted to have sex with a two-time Super Bowl champion? :thinking:

HOU-TEX
04-13-2010, 03:49 PM
I try not to "judge a book by it's cover", but he looked the part in his PC yesterday. Geez, he looked like a mobster wannabe.

So, he's now been accused by 3 different chicks now? Honestly, IMO, he's now considered a schmuck. That's all I have to say about Big Pen

Texan_Bill
04-13-2010, 05:05 PM
But it doesn't necessarily make these things easier to swallow.....

Must resist bad joke.


That's what she said... :worm:

*I couldn't*

infantrycak
04-14-2010, 10:42 AM
I try not to "judge a book by it's cover", but he looked the part in his PC yesterday. Geez, he looked like a mobster wannabe.

So, he's now been accused by 3 different chicks now? Honestly, IMO, he's now considered a schmuck. That's all I have to say about Big Pen

Not to use a football analogy on a football MB, but what do they say about RBs who start to have fumbling problems? - that players are going to come looking for the strip. Certainly not saying he is innocent and he almost certainly is putting himself in bad situations. Just throwing that out there.

kastofsna
04-14-2010, 11:22 PM
just look at his awful face. clearly he's done a lot of awful things to women.

J_R
04-15-2010, 08:15 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/15/witness-statements-make-bad-situation-worse-for-roethlisberger/

gtexan02
04-15-2010, 09:52 PM
So its pretty clear now. Whether Ben raped the girl or not is debatable. WHat isn't debatable is that he took advantage of a very intoxicated 20 year old girl in a club bathroom.

Shameful stuff

He used his bodyguards and connections to make sure a rape claim wouldn't stick. Who nkows, maybe she led him on. But still, a wasted 20 year old is not who you should be forcing yourself onto

JB
04-15-2010, 09:55 PM
This dude is just a ********* and all fathers should lock up their daughters if he is in town.

b0ng
04-15-2010, 10:49 PM
Source (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html)

Witness Elizabeth Brooks told investigators of partying with Roethlisberger at Capital City, where he purchased a round of shots for women in the VIP room and announced, "All my bitches, take some shots."

He should just rename himself to Rick James at this point. "Bitches! Show Santonio Holmes your titties!"

kastofsna
04-16-2010, 11:27 AM
yeah he's a pretty wretched human being. and makes Jeff Reed look good. THAT'S BAD.

drewmar74
04-16-2010, 11:31 AM
Some of the commenters on PFT's articles have started calling him Rapistberger which is simultaneously sad and funny.

Every Sunday going forward I'll be cheering for Houston and whatever DE is lining up across from Ben.

Second Honeymoon
04-16-2010, 11:39 AM
Rapeisberger is pretty damn good name.

Dude has already won 2 rings. If I was the Steelers, I would sell high and ship this pile of dog crap out of town. I just don't think any team would trade for him, to be honest.

Its funny, I was listening to Pittsburgh 93.7 sports radio on my iphone last night, and there were callers calling in with trade scenarios. Some were just ridiculous but here is one that really flipped my lid.

caller says Steelers should approach Houston and offer Roethlisberger for Schaub, a 2010 1st Rounder and a 2011 1st Rounder.

another guy said they should trade him to Minnesota for Adrian Peterson and a 1st Rounder. I couldn't believe how much they think they could get for the guy.

Roethlisberger isn't a bad QB and he is a franchise QB, but he isn't worth players and multiple 1st Rounders...just ridiculous.

IMHO, they would be lucky to get an early 1st Rounder for him. And what team is going to take the PR hit of trading for an unconvicted rapist.

He raped that girl and its not the first time he has done it. Total F-ing Scumbag.

JB
04-16-2010, 11:46 AM
Rapeisberger is pretty damn good name.

Dude has already won 2 rings. If I was the Steelers, I would sell high and ship this pile of dog crap out of town. I just don't think any team would trade for him, to be honest.

Its funny, I was listening to Pittsburgh 93.7 sports radio on my iphone last night, and there were callers calling in with trade scenarios. Some were just ridiculous but here is one that really flipped my lid.

caller says Steelers should approach Houston and offer Roethlisberger for Schaub, a 2010 1st Rounder and a 2011 1st Rounder.

another guy said they should trade him to Minnesota for Adrian Peterson and a 1st Rounder. I couldn't believe how much they think they could get for the guy.

Roethlisberger isn't a bad QB and he is a franchise QB, but he isn't worth players and multiple 1st Rounders...just ridiculous.

IMHO, they would be lucky to get an early 1st Rounder for him. And what team is going to take the PR hit of trading for an unconvicted rapist.

He raped that girl and its not the first time he has done it. Total F-ing Scumbag.


:goodpost: Totally agree with the bolded. And those Pittsburgh fans are nuts! I don't know if they could get a first rounder from any team... well maybe the Raiders.

drewmar74
04-16-2010, 11:51 AM
:goodpost: Totally agree with the bolded. And those Pittsburgh fans are nuts! I don't know if they could get a first rounder from any team... well maybe the Raiders.

Yeah, I don't know if anyone is willing to take that PR hit right now.

If Houston did end up with him somehow (and I know they won't, I'm just sayin') I'd vomit.

Second Honeymoon
04-16-2010, 11:57 AM
:goodpost: Totally agree with the bolded. And those Pittsburgh fans are nuts! I don't know if they could get a first rounder from any team... well maybe the Raiders.

yeah, when they mentioned Texans, I figured they were going to ask for Mario or maybe our talisman, the best pro athlete in Houston since Hakeem Olajuwon, your #1 WR Sir Andre Johnson (yeah he deserves to be knighted)

but when they mentioned Schaub I was like, what? Why would we do that even straight up? then they started talking about multiple picks and they lost me. My wife and I actually got a good chuckle out of it.

As for a possible destination, the only one I could think of is Arizona. Former OC is HC there and so is his old OL coach....and most importantly, they need a QB.

Maybe the Cardinals would trade their 1st Rounder and Leinart for Roethlisberger. Steelers give Leinart a chance and they pick up an extra 1st by dumping their damaged goods off to someone who may want them. I think his former relationship with the Arizona coaching staff, could make Ben more pallatable to the Arizona faithful.

The Cardinals are the only team I could see him going to other than maybe Buffalo. Cleveland would be a possibility because Ben is from Ohio, but that is the Steelers historical rival and divisional. No way in hell.

drewmar74
04-16-2010, 12:00 PM
As for a possible destination, the only one I could think of is Arizona. Former OC is HC there and so is his old OL coach....and most importantly, they need a QB.

Maybe the Cardinals would trade their 1st Rounder and Leinart for Roethlisberger. Steelers give Leinart a chance and they pick up an extra 1st by dumping their damaged goods off to someone who may want them. I think his former relationship with the Arizona coaching staff, could make Ben more pallatable to the Arizona faithful.

That actually sounds somewhat plausible.

JB
04-16-2010, 12:01 PM
Yeah, I forgot all about Arizona. I wish they would send him to Oakland or Buffalo. Preferably Buffalo.

dalemurphy
04-16-2010, 12:01 PM
yeah, when they mentioned Texans, I figured they were going to ask for Mario or maybe our talisman, the best pro athlete in Houston since Hakeem Olajuwon, your #1 WR Sir Andre Johnson (yeah he deserves to be knighted)

but when they mentioned Schaub I was like, what? Why would we do that even straight up? then they started talking about multiple picks and they lost me. My wife and I actually got a good chuckle out of it.

As for a possible destination, the only one I could think of is Arizona. Former OC is HC there and so is his old OL coach....and most importantly, they need a QB.

Maybe the Cardinals would trade their 1st Rounder and Leinart for Roethlisberger. Steelers give Leinart a chance and they pick up an extra 1st by dumping their damaged goods off to someone who may want them. I think his former relationship with the Arizona coaching staff, could make Ben more pallatable to the Arizona faithful.

The Cardinals are the only team I could see him going to other than maybe Buffalo. Cleveland would be a possibility because Ben is from Ohio, but that is the Steelers historical rival and divisional. No way in hell.


I have no idea how a team could keep its fans if they traded for Roethlisburger. It's one thing to be the Steelers and being kind of stuck with him. But, to essentially take advantage of the fact that he essentially raped a girl in order to get good value for a starting QB... if my team did that, they wouldn't be my team anymore!

J_R
04-16-2010, 12:05 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/16/gbi-documents-contain-evidence-of-another-roethlisberger-allegation/


Sorta reminding me of Tiger Woods. The woman/stories just keep coming out!

BigBull17
04-16-2010, 12:06 PM
I agree with the above, I would have a very hard time cheering my team if he was on it. Maybe I'm immature, but he crossed a line.

Second Honeymoon
04-16-2010, 12:09 PM
I have no idea how a team could keep its fans if they traded for Roethlisburger. It's one thing to be the Steelers and being kind of stuck with him. But, to essentially take advantage of the fact that he essentially raped a girl in order to get good value for a starting QB... if my team did that, they wouldn't be my team anymore!

as a father of 2 beautiful daughters, i gotta say I agree with you. sadly, it may not have been the first time she has been taken advantage of. she is a ZTA and from my days at UT-Austin (not a frat guy), sorority girls are almost always farmed out to their big brother fraternity during some of their socials and dances. sometimes it wasn't as consensual as it should have been and with a mixture of booze and peer pressure, some of these girls were having sex with guys they hardly knew and with guys that wanted nothing to do with them other than a post-party nutting. that was actually the norm.

one thing is for sure, my daughters will never be in a social sorority. if they want to join an academic organization or something like PBK or something, so be it. i don't think my kids need to have me buy them friends. let them make friends themselves naturally and have less peer pressure to drink, party, and have sex.

drewmar74
04-16-2010, 12:11 PM
I agree with the above, I would have a very hard time cheering my team if he was on it. Maybe I'm immature, but he crossed a line.

I don't think its immature at all. I think it would be more immature to gloss over the situation and say that you'll cheer for him (or an organization that signs him) no matter what.

Football players are just guys. They're just people. They're not saints and they're going to make mistakes. That's fine. But this looks like it goes way past a mistake or two. This is starting to go past sleezy and is getting wayyyy off into "creepy - needs psychological treatment" territory.

eriadoc
04-16-2010, 12:13 PM
Roethlisberger isn't a bad QB and he is a franchise QB, but he isn't worth players and multiple 1st Rounders...just ridiculous.

Roethlisberger was not a good QB when he got his first ring. He wasn't bad, he was just on the normal progression path for a young QB. But that ring made everyone think he was greater than he really is. He's grown into a pretty good QB, but I don't think he's great, and I don't think he's top 5 by any means. The only way he gets into that type if discussion is by pulling out the rings, but there are a dozen QBs in the NFL right now that I think would have won the SB with those Steelers teams. Football is such a team sport, but everyone wants to heap all the praise and all the blame on one position.

Anyway, there's no way Rapistberger is worth extra picks, and even without the baggage I'm not sure I'd trade Schaub for him straight up (unless he brings the rest of his team to win those rings).

IDEXAN
04-16-2010, 12:19 PM
Not much doubt why the victim didn't press the prosecutor to move ahead -
Ben wrote a check. But after this stuff comes out about how the bodyguards
presvented friends from helping her or the door with just her and Ben inside is locked or she is drunk andm virtually ehlpless, isn't just that enough for the prosecutor to proceed ?

gtexan02
04-16-2010, 12:33 PM
Officer in charge of GA investigation resigns.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5099224

ATLANTA -- The Georgia police officer who took the first report from the woman who accused Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault has resigned.


Milledgeville police Chief Woodrow Blue on Friday confirmed that Sgt. Jerry Blash resigned Wednesday, a day before the Georgia Bureau of Investigation made public all documents related to its investigation of a 20-year-old woman's claim that Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her.

Prosecutors announced earlier this week that they are not charging Roethlisberger in the March 5 incident. Blash is the only officer who interviewed the quarterback. He acknowledged in an interview with investigators that he made some derogatory comments about the accuser to other officers.



Man this just keeps getting worse and worse. What a coverup...

So far we've got videotapes that mysteriously disappeared.
A lead cop investigator who was seen taking photos with Ben and making disparaging remarks about the accuser. And who later resigns without reason and won't return calls.
A bar manager who doesn't give a crap either way.


And tons of money probably changing hands....

Am i forgetting anything else?

Corrosion
04-16-2010, 02:56 PM
yeah , what a mess.

Its obvious by the position of the Steelers orginization and the NFL that there was some wrong doing here and the only reason he isnt being charged is because of who he is .... The fact that he will likely get suspended for a couple , maybe four games kinda pisses me off.


This guy is a jackass on the level with Buck Fud.

Next time , yes , I think he'll do it again because this is #3 he's gotten away with , Next time I hope he gets 50 years. People who do shit like this dont deserve to walk among us.


I know , I know - Innocent until proven guilty .....

drewmar74
04-16-2010, 02:57 PM
I know , I know - Innocent until proven guilty .....


Yeah. Alleged rapes.

I guess that makes him a world class douche - allegedly.

eriadoc
04-16-2010, 02:59 PM
I know , I know - Innocent until proven guilty .....

Well, what's he guilty of? We know for a fact that he participated in intoxicating this young woman. We do not know to what degree, nor can we say for certain what his intent was. We know that they had sex in the bathroom at a bar. Ugh. We know that he posted his bodyguards at the door to prevent anyone from interfering. We know that the young woman's friend tried to intercede and was turned away by said bodyguards. And we know about the things gtexan mentioned above.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say we know he's guilty of being a scumbag.

CloakNNNdagger
04-16-2010, 03:00 PM
Officer in charge of GA investigation resigns.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5099224



Man this just keeps getting worse and worse. What a coverup...

So far we've got videotapes that mysteriously disappeared.
A lead cop investigator who was seen taking photos with Ben and making disparaging remarks about the accuser. And who later resigns without reason and won't return calls.
A bar manager who doesn't give a crap either way.


And tons of money probably changing hands....

Am i forgetting anything else?


As has been his pattern, he refuses to wear head protection.

Blake
04-16-2010, 03:12 PM
If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it's a rat.

My personal opinion is that the acusations are true. But there is not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

It just goes to show you, if you have enough money, and a little luck you can get out of anything.

JB
04-16-2010, 03:26 PM
Nice write up here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=5098307&sportCat=nfl

I'd be stunned -- and disappointed -- if NFL commissioner Roger Goodell doesn't bring the wood and suspend Boozin' Ben for at least three games and preferably four: two games for embarrassing his team and the league, another two for being dumber than a blocking sled.

Houston_Fanatic
04-16-2010, 05:12 PM
Am i forgetting anything else?

..... that his bodyguards were 2 off-duty cops and one of them led the girl to the back for Ben? No wonder Worthlessberger feels like he can do whatever he wants, with the cops watching his back.

What a bunch of pigs - all of them.

CloakNNNdagger
04-16-2010, 08:12 PM
Look to your left [BELOW ON THIS POST]. That Ben Roethlisberger/Amber Hanley picture sure is classy. Piecing together a night at a bar from just a few photographs is tricky. Lucky for Ben Roethlisberger, Amber Hanley – his accuser – has only proved he was a jerk.

All the sports blogs are reporting that Ben Roethlisberger is being investigated for an alleged sexual assault in a club, Capital City. Ben Roethlisberger's accuser's identity has been shielded from media attention, but Amber Hanley has made sure that people know what she thinks of the Super Bowl star.

The Amber Hanley/Ben Roethlisberger photo on the left was apparently taken the night that the sexual assault took place. The authorities are investigating.

The AP says that Amber Hanley asked Ben Roethlisberger to take a photo with her boyfriend, but:

…he seemed disappointed that's all she wanted. Amber Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away. Later, Ben Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Amber Hanley said. [the one eventually assaulted that night] LINK (http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Ben-RoethlisbergerAmber-Hanley-picture-accusers-evidence.aspx)

http://www.rantrave.com/userimages/posts/6015___Selected.jpg?075239

Can't make much of the above picture. It probably re-enforces his claim of innocence............He treats ALL of his BITCHES that way [notice, you can't tell what Ben is doing with his left hand.....but he sure has a big grin!]:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/01/27/alg_roethlisberger.jpg

gary
04-16-2010, 08:21 PM
First, in 08 I gave Ben my trust but after the reports I have heard and seen not anymore. This guy is a complete sack of shit I am sorry but this is insane.

Wolf
04-18-2010, 10:35 AM
I haven't been following this at all.. wow what a mess

Kaiser Toro
04-18-2010, 11:00 AM
I have no idea how a team could keep its fans if they traded for Roethlisburger. It's one thing to be the Steelers and being kind of stuck with him. But, to essentially take advantage of the fact that he essentially raped a girl in order to get good value for a starting QB... if my team did that, they wouldn't be my team anymore!

Really, you have no idea? :specnatz:

http://www.freewebs.com/goodknowledge/The%20Ultimate%20Photo%20Ever.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
04-18-2010, 12:45 PM
Additional revelations, including "settlement" offered to the victim.

Evidence emerges of a botched investigation in Georgia (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/18/evidence-emerges-of-a-botched-investigation-in-georgia/)

Texans_Chick
04-18-2010, 01:40 PM
LINK (http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Ben-RoethlisbergerAmber-Hanley-picture-accusers-evidence.aspx)

http://www.rantrave.com/userimages/posts/6015___Selected.jpg?075239

Can't make much of the above picture. It probably re-enforces his claim of innocence............He treats ALL of his BITCHES that way [notice, you can't tell what Ben is doing with his left hand.....but he sure has a big grin!]:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/01/27/alg_roethlisberger.jpg


That drink like a champion picture is old (http://drunkathlete.com/category/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/ben-roethlisberger/). Very much predates the events of that night.

Wolf
04-18-2010, 01:49 PM
not sure how accurate the smoking gun is , but it is claiming to have the police report


Police reports detail NFL quarterback's unseemly night in Georgia

APRIL 15--The college student who accused Ben Roethlisberger of sexually assaulting her last month in a Georgia nightclub told cops that the NFL star approached her "with his penis out of his pants" and followed her into a bathroom, where "he had sex with me" in spite of her objections.

The victim's account is included in 572 pages of Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) records detailing the probe of the booze-fueled March 5 incident involving the athlete and the 20-year-old woman, both of whom had spent that evening barhopping in Milledgeville, a college town 90 miles southeast of Atlanta. The woman told police that the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback raped her in a bathroom adjacent to the VIP section of the Capital City club.

In one of two handwritten police statements, the woman recalled that she told Roethlisberger, "No, this is not OK, and he then had sex with me. He said it was OK. He then left without saying anything." After the woman reconnected with friends, they left the club and "went to the first police car we saw," according to one statement.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html

CloakNNNdagger
04-18-2010, 01:59 PM
That drink like a champion picture is old (http://drunkathlete.com/category/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/ben-roethlisberger/). Very much predates the events of that night.

By "eventually assaulted that night".......it was in reference to the 1st alleged rape in July of 2008.

CloakNNNdagger
04-20-2010, 08:00 AM
Suspension will probably be handed down by the NFL today. But, what about the Steelers organization. Why have they not stood up yet?

"The issue here is with respect to a pattern of behavior and bad judgments," Goodell continued on Patrick's show. "You do not have to be convicted, or even charged with a crime, to be able to demonstrate that you've violated a personal conduct policy, reflect poorly not only on themselves, but all of their teammates, every NFL player, and everyone associated with the NFL. I have expressed that directly with [Roethlisberger]."

A team's standards of "misconduct" seem to have a higher threshhold for action than the NFL.

Goodell has discussed impugning the integrity of the league and all its personnel. He's indicated the mere appearance of inappropriate behavior warrants discipline, and the Steelers have openly admitted the sole reason they haven't exacted punishment upon their star quarterback is because of legal retaliation on the part of the league's players association.

LINK (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20100420_Stephen_A__Smith__Goodell_should_suspend_ Roethlisberger.html)

ChampionTexan
04-20-2010, 08:15 AM
Suspension will probably be handed down by the NFL today. But, what about the Steelers organization. Why have they not stood up yet?



A team's standards of "misconduct" seem to have a higher threshhold for action than the NFL.



LINK (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20100420_Stephen_A__Smith__Goodell_should_suspend_ Roethlisberger.html)

What exactly are you looking for them to do? The Steelers have indicated they are in lock-step with the league on this, and that any punitive action will be a mutual agreement between the team and the league.

The reality is that while the league can and has issued indefinite suspensions, if I'm not mistaken, the maximum number of games that a team can suspend someone (without pay) is four games. Additionally, as you indicated, a team suspension is also much more susceptible to challenge by the NFLPA.

kastofsna
04-20-2010, 11:04 AM
i know a lot of people want teams to "send a message" or whatever, but it's just not that simple. the union (fairly) has to watch out for their players, and especially with this case, there's a minefield of opportunities to get in trouble with the union. Ben will get his comeupance, no worries there

Texan_Bill
04-20-2010, 11:21 AM
Well throw the Colt's Eric Foster into the mix... He is being sued by a hotel employee:

Report: Civil suit filed against Colts DT Foster
Posted: Apr 20, 2010 12:18 AM CDT
Updated: Apr 20, 2010 9:29 AM CDT
Indianapolis - A hotel employee has filed a four-count civil suit against Indianapolis Colts defensive tackle Eric Foster.

The Chicago Sun-Times is reporting on its website that a Valparaiso-based attorney is filing the complaint on behalf of a student at IUPUI who works as a receptionist at the University Place Hotel. Attorney April Board told the paper she was forced to file the civil suit because the IUPUI Police Department mishandled her client's case.

Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi decided in February that he would not seek criminal charges against Foster


More here: Report: Civil suit filed against Colts DT Foster (http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=12339086)

gtexan02
04-20-2010, 03:46 PM
Big Ben wants to be a role model to kids. Lol. Seriously.

But given the situation, it's impossible to ignore the guy when he says, "I absolutely want to be the leader this team deserves, valued in the community and a role model to kids."



This is too rich. Given the information we now know -- sordid details of a famous quarterback hounding his way, security guards in tow, through the dive-bar crawl in a backwater college town -- the idea of Roethlisberger emerging from the bathroom to resume the hard but obligatory work of being a role model for America's youth is remarkable for its ability to combine sheer ignorance with an unbreakable sense of entitlement.


It takes a lot to shock us. It takes a lot to insult us. We're a resilient people, accepting beyond the point of numbness. After all, we live in the age of fathers speaking to sons from beyond the grave for the purpose of repackaging yesterday's Jesus into today's ... well, Jesus. And if all goes well, to sell a few 7-irons along the way.



But this might beat it: Big Ben as role model? It sounds like the beginning of a Chris Rock bit. Even Tiger didn't try this one. Sexual assault allegations follow Roethlisberger around at a rate far out of proportion to the rest of society -- they're his shadow, really -- and he considers himself a role model? At best, he's a very unlucky guy with a propensity for attracting women -- OK, girls -- with a habit for false accusation. At worst, he's a serial predator. Read the police report, decide for yourself.

CloakNNNdagger
04-20-2010, 08:02 PM
Big Ben wants to be a role model to kids. Lol. Seriously.

He already IS.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/000-1009100712-child-arrest.jpg

JB
04-21-2010, 11:03 AM
Ben gets 4-6 game suspension.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5121614&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5121614

Corrosion
04-21-2010, 12:05 PM
Ben gets 4-6 game suspension.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5121614&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5121614

Honestly this is bullshit , although it is more than I expected from the NFL- The cops covered it up and he gets away with a sex crime and the NFL suspends him. Hardly a fitting consequence.

CloakNNNdagger
04-21-2010, 12:47 PM
Honestly this is bullshit , although it is more than I expected from the NFL- The cops covered it up and he gets away with a sex crime and the NFL suspends him. Hardly a fitting consequence.

.........and it could evidently be less than 4 games if he meets "conditions" of "good behavior." What does that mean?........going a week without having thoughts of raping a 20-year-old girl in a dirty nightclub bathroom stall?.........or just using better jugement and choosing a clean stall next time?

J_R
04-21-2010, 01:13 PM
6 games it is.

gregaiello (http://twitter.com/gregaiello)

Commish notified Ben he must undergo comprehensive behavorial evaluation and is suspended for six games.

Commish w/review Ben's progress prior 2 season & consider reducing suspension 2 4 games. Failure 2 cooperate cud lead to longer suspension.

(http://twitter.com/gregaiello)

GlassHalfFull
04-21-2010, 01:15 PM
Steelers Reportedly Shopping Big Ben For a Top-10 Draft Pick (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/21/steelers-reportedly-shopping-big-ben-for-a-top-ten-draft-pick/)

The Pittsburgh Steelers are, according to reports, actively shopping Ben Roethlisberger, and seeking a top-10 pick in the 2010 draft in exchange for the oft-troubled quarterback after learning of his suspension today.

The first question on hand -- will they actually trade him? -- is easily answerable: yes, yes they will. Of course, Pittsburgh would need to receive legitimate compensation in return; Roethlisberger's off-field issues are clearly a complete nightmare for the Steelers front office, but that doesn't mean they can just sling him for 50 cents on the dollar. After all, he has won a few games since being drafted.

Additionally, Steelers fans, based on the knee-jerk reaction of a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette poll, are actually pretty willing to move Big Ben -- whether they simply disapprove of someone with his off-field record, or 60 percent of the folks who've voted are simply in "last-straw" mode is hard to tell. But if more than half of Pittsburgh's fan base wants him gone and state so in a democratic fashion, it's impossible to think the front office won't at least recognize that.

The other question -- who would take him? -- is a little harder to answer. The Redskins (following the acquisition of Donovan McNabb), the Rams (Sam Bradford at No. 1 overall seems, um, "safer"), the Chiefs (Matt Cassel on the books) and the Lions (Matt Stafford) are clearly uninterested.

Raiders are looking better and better as a home for Big Ben.

Kulluminatii
04-21-2010, 01:51 PM
Raiders are looking better and better as a home for Big Ben.

You may be right...rumors are going around we offered a 2 & 3rd for the rapist :brickwall:.

MightyTExan
04-21-2010, 01:52 PM
too soon?
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t140/buletproofbently/bigben.jpg

Kulluminatii
04-21-2010, 02:01 PM
too soon?
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t140/buletproofbently/bigben.jpg

:lol:

Well...guess I should start ordering my jersey then :cry2:

http://lp.imageg.net/prod?set=key[name],value[R+A+P+I+ST]&set=key[number],value[7]&set=key[displaysize],value[220]&load=url[http://chains.imageg.net/graphics/dynamic/chains/p2755149_customback.chain]

BIG TORO
04-21-2010, 02:45 PM
You may be right...rumors are going around we offered a 2 & 3rd for the rapist :brickwall:.

Yall really need the rapist!

Isnt a raider a rapist anyway?

Kulluminatii
04-21-2010, 03:03 PM
Yall really need the rapist!

Isnt a raider a rapist anyway?


raid·er
   /ˈreɪdər/ Show Spelled[rey-der] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person or thing that raids. woman's pants
2.
a commando, ranger, or the like, specially trained to participate in military raids.
3.
a light, fast warship, aircraft, etc., used in such a raid.
4.
a person who seizes control of a company, as by secretly buying stock and gathering proxies.
5.
Informal. a person who works within an organization for the purpose of gathering evidence of wrongdoing

:whistle:

BIG TORO
04-21-2010, 03:27 PM
raid·er
   /ˈreɪdər/ Show Spelled[rey-der] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person or thing that raids. woman's pants
2.
a commando, ranger, or the like, specially trained to participate in military raids.
3.
a light, fast warship, aircraft, etc., used in such a raid.
4.
a person who seizes control of a company, as by secretly buying stock and gathering proxies.
5.
Informal. a person who works within an organization for the purpose of gathering evidence of wrongdoing

:whistle:

You left out

6. butt raider
One who inhibits the sigmoid (distal) colon of another animal or human being who is unwilling. aka rapist! :lol:

Kulluminatii
04-21-2010, 03:31 PM
You left out

6. butt raider
One who inhibits the sigmoid (distal) colon of another animal or human being who is unwilling. aka rapist! :lol:
Hmm...all I can say to that is...



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ChrisG
04-21-2010, 03:32 PM
anyone kno if it is six games total (4 preseason 2 reg) or six regular season games?

Blazing Arrow
04-21-2010, 03:34 PM
Seriously?

faider fans are usually completely trashed.

The Chokeland Faiders were playing the Chiefs and was told to go f* myself becasue I was wearing a Titan Jersey .... at a chiefs game

On of my friends got his jacket torn off at a Browns game and they lit it on fire and threw it off the 3rd deck ....Raiders took the game by 25 easy ....

I have seen guys get into full blown fist fights on BART just getting to the game.

Seriously without trying to group you in they are getting worst.

GlassHalfFull
04-21-2010, 03:42 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1181&sn=t

According to NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, the Raiders are in contact with the Steelers about a trade for Ben Roethlisberger.
La Canfora says Oakland "might be (the) only real option" for Pittsburgh if the Steelers are truly prepared to wash their hands of the 28-year-old QB. The Raiders, smartly (for once), appear to have realized that JaMarcus Russell is a bust, and very arguably the biggest in NFL history. The Steelers might ask for Nnamdi Asomugha in addition to Oakland's No. 8 overall pick.

Blazing Arrow
04-21-2010, 03:42 PM
Anyways back to the stinky shoes ....

Hate the squellers and all but the stuff seems to be mounting against him ....

Living in steel city seems to be a pretty heavy favoritism.

drop them in Seatle .... dude is serving 20

CloakNNNdagger
04-21-2010, 03:44 PM
anyone kno if it is six games total (4 preseason 2 reg) or six regular season games?

First 6 games of the REGULAR season, if "conditions" don't change that beforehand.

Blazing Arrow
04-21-2010, 03:46 PM
First 6 games of the REGULAR season, if "conditions" don't change that beforehand.

Cheated against us .... just saying.


Yup bitter ... take it!

Blazing Arrow
04-21-2010, 03:47 PM
Cheated against us .... just saying.


Yup bitter ... take it!

NFLN replaying it 3 million times probably did not help

CloakNNNdagger
04-21-2010, 03:47 PM
Ben Roesthlisberger:

Raider

At

Peace

In a

Stall

Toilet


OR


Raider

Accessing

Piece

In a

Stall

Toilet

Kulluminatii
04-21-2010, 03:59 PM
Seriously?

faider fans are usually completely trashed.

The Chokeland Faiders were playing the Chiefs and was told to go f* myself becasue I was wearing a Titan Jersey .... at a chiefs game

On of my friends got his jacket torn off at a Browns game and they lit it on fire and threw it off the 3rd deck ....Raiders took the game by 25 easy ....

I have seen guys get into full blown fist fights on BART just getting to the game.

Seriously without trying to group you in they are getting worst.

Chokeland Faiders...heh, I like that. As much as I hate to say it, I have to agree with you. I can't really think of a worse fanbase (as a whole) to be honest. Maybe the Eagles...but I've seen firsthand what Raiders "fans" do, and its embarrassing. The actions of a few make all of us look bad, and the "few" is pretty large.

Just makes me wish even more that the team is sold and then shipped off to LA. Of course there still will be a##hole Raiders fans out there, but the majority of them will stay in and around Oakland.

NitroGSXR
04-21-2010, 04:03 PM
Seriously?

faider fans are usually completely trashed.

The Chokeland Faiders were playing the Chiefs and was told to go f* myself becasue I was wearing a Titan Jersey .... at a chiefs game

On of my friends got his jacket torn off at a Browns game and they lit it on fire and threw it off the 3rd deck ....Raiders took the game by 25 easy ....

I have seen guys get into full blown fist fights on BART just getting to the game.

Seriously without trying to group you in they are getting worst.

Our very own Joe Texan famously emerged unscathed from the dungeons of the legendary Black Hole. Those people have even invited him back this season.

Maybe if you and your friends weren't so Adams-ly obnoxious?

:fans:

Kulluminatii
04-21-2010, 04:14 PM
Steelers have called seven teams about Roethlisberger
4/21/2010 1:41:22 PM


The Pittsburgh Steelers have called the Rams, 49ers, Raiders, Bills, Jaguars, Seahawks and Browns about a possible trade for QB Ben Roethlisberger. This according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

From what I know so far, the Rams have said no. I'm hoping one of the other teams besides the Raiders say yes!

kastofsna
04-21-2010, 04:34 PM
breaking news: Roethlisberger has a gray penis

WWJD
04-21-2010, 04:58 PM
I wonder if Ben will be required by the league to get any counseling? He seems to have some serious issues with women. If he's sexually assaulting women what will make him stop? Because he's not playing football for 6 weekends? I very much hope for his sake and any woman in contact with the guy that he gets some help.

CloakNNNdagger
04-21-2010, 05:16 PM
I wonder if Ben will be required by the league to get any counseling? He seems to have some serious issues with women. If he's sexually assaulting women what will make him stop? Because he's not playing football for 6 weekends? I very much hope for his sake and any woman in contact with the guy that he gets some help.

It's been reported that is one of the mandatory "conditions" of the suspension.

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger will be suspended for six games and must undergo “comprehensive behavioral counseling,” the N.F.L. announced on Wednesday after Commissioner Roger Goodell decided Roethlisberger had violated the league’s personal-conduct policy in relation to a sexual assault allegation against him.

LINK (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/sports/football/22roethlisberger.html?src=mv)

CloakNNNdagger
04-21-2010, 05:18 PM
breaking news: Roethlisberger has a gray penis

link?????:)

JB
04-21-2010, 05:19 PM
I wonder if Ben will be required by the league to get any counseling? He seems to have some serious issues with women. If he's sexually assaulting women what will make him stop? Because he's not playing football for 6 weekends? I very much hope for his sake and any woman in contact with the guy that he gets some help.

Yep. The Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback also was ordered to undergo a comprehensive behavioral evaluation. Goodell will evaluate Roethlisberger's progress before the season and might consider reducing the suspension to four games.


Roethlisberger is barred from attending any Steelers offseason activity after Wednesday until he completes the evaluation. He can participate in training camp and preseason games this summer as long as he is cleared by the evaluators and Goodell.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5121614

WWJD
04-21-2010, 05:37 PM
Ok. Thanks. Well I very much hope it helps. His issues are scary.

Blazing Arrow
04-21-2010, 06:07 PM
Our very own Joe Texan famously emerged unscathed from the dungeons of the legendary Black Hole. Those people have even invited him back this season.

Maybe if you and your friends weren't so Adams-ly obnoxious?

:fans:

I have roughed the hole ... no fear here ... they might have stabbed us like a red headed shilded 52-25 .... but I kept my ground and told the guy behind me that his team was a bunch of weak sissies who out get destroid in the playoffs

Blazing Arrow
04-21-2010, 06:09 PM
apparently Grudened proved me right ....

CloakNNNdagger
04-21-2010, 07:35 PM
Ok. Thanks. Well I very much hope it helps. His issues are scary.


The Denver Post lays out a very little known childhood trauma that Big Ben endured, and with which some may want to explain his "adulthood" actions. The problem is that many have endured much more...............and still have not ended up in a bathroom stall serving up salami along with alcohol to a 20 year old.

Klis: Roethlisberger's problem may have deep roots (http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_14906551?source=commented-)

JB
04-21-2010, 07:48 PM
The Denver Post lays out a very little known childhood trauma that Big Ben endured, and with which some may want to explain his "adulthood" actions. The problem is that many have endured much more...............and still have not ended up in a bathroom stall serving up salami along with alcohol to a 20 year old.

Klis: Roethlisberger's problem may have deep roots (http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_14906551?source=commented-)

I will agree with the author that Ben needs help.

WWJD
04-21-2010, 07:56 PM
I hope Ben comes out on the other side of this a changed man. He scares me with all this behavior but I don't wish him any ill. He is obviously a guy that needs alot of help.

gary
04-21-2010, 09:44 PM
He already IS.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/000-1009100712-child-arrest.jpgIs this Ben's son? What did he do?

CloakNNNdagger
04-21-2010, 10:20 PM
Is this Ben's son? What did he do?

A generalization only.......no relation to Ben.

Texan_Bill
04-21-2010, 10:24 PM
Seriously?

faider fans are usually completely trashed.

The Chokeland Faiders were playing the Chiefs and was told to go f* myself becasue I was wearing a Titan Jersey .... at a chiefs game

On of my friends got his jacket torn off at a Browns game and they lit it on fire and threw it off the 3rd deck ....Raiders took the game by 25 easy ....

I have seen guys get into full blown fist fights on BART just getting to the game.

Seriously without trying to group you in they are getting worst.

I know you're in the Bay area, but seriously Joe is treated extremely well by Raider Nation every time he visits. His seat is always in the Black Hole, too.


BTW, go **** yourself.......... for wearing a Tinnbred jersey anywhere.

CloakNNNdagger
04-21-2010, 10:26 PM
I'm shocked!!!!!!..........A plea bargain!!!!!:shots:

Roethlisberger suspension could have been worse (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/21/roethlisberger-suspension-could-have-been-worse/)

Moments ago, Chris Mortensen of ESPN mentioned that the suspension of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger could have been even more than six games.

And he's right.

We're told that, after the press conference conducted on April 9 by Ocmulgee (Ga.) Judicial Circuit District Attorney Fred Bright, Commissioner Roger Goodell initially was inclined to suspend Roethlisberger for as many as eight or 10 games.

Through extensive discussions and negotiations, the number was whittled to six games, with the possibility of increasing or decreasing the number.

Corrosion
04-21-2010, 10:54 PM
Six games hell - the son of a ***** should be in prison

Texan_Bill
04-21-2010, 10:58 PM
Six games hell - the son of a ***** should be in prison

Corrosion, you're better than that. Not charged, not found guilty, not nada! That said, he needs the shit beat out of him from someone like you or me that have a sister, or, and especially a dad.... He is a slimeball POS.

JB
04-21-2010, 11:00 PM
Corrosion, you're better than that. Not charged, not found guilty, not nada! That said, he needs the shit beat out of him from someone like you or me that have a sister, or, and especially a dad.... He is a slimeball POS.

Dude damn sure needs a blanket party!

Or be locked in with a room full of the girls male relatives.

Corrosion
04-21-2010, 11:01 PM
Corrosion, you're better than that. Not charged, not found guilty, not nada! That said, he needs the shit beat out of him from someone like you or me that have a sister, or, and especially a dad.... He is a slimeball POS.


I agree with you to that point ... But the reasons the DA chose not to charge and try him were .... dubious to say the least. Hell from what has been said I wonder if the DA was on the take along with everyone else involved.

Texan_Bill
04-21-2010, 11:07 PM
Dude damn sure needs a blanket party!

Or be locked in with a room full of the girls male relatives.

Blanket Party FTW!!!

I agree with you to that point ... But the reasons the DA chose not to charge and try him were .... dubious to say the least. Hell from what has been said I wonder if the DA was on the take along with everyone else involved.

No, I hear you!!! Dubious to be sure, but irrespective of the dubious circumstances, ummm, well, errrrrrrrrrrrr, see OJ.

Corrosion
04-21-2010, 11:12 PM
Blanket Party FTW!!!



No, I hear you!!! Dubious to be sure, but irrespective of the dubious circumstances, ummm, well, errrrrrrrrrrrr, see OJ.

LIke I said the first time ...... LoL

JB
04-21-2010, 11:16 PM
No, I hear you!!! Dubious to be sure, but irrespective of the dubious circumstances, ummm, well, errrrrrrrrrrrr, see OJ.

If OJ was in today's NFL he would be suspended for 10 games...

Napa Auto Parts
04-21-2010, 11:17 PM
I just dont see the fairness smoking POT suspended 4 games keep doing it and you can be banned for life.
Force your PENis in to a females vaginal lips and get suspended for 6 games witch in reality is 4 if Rapistburger follow's the rules and his clinical evaluation.

CloakNNNdagger
04-21-2010, 11:20 PM
If OJ was in today's NFL he would be suspended for 10 games...

.........with a "conditional" reduction to 2 games if the glove didn't fit?:thinking:

JB
04-21-2010, 11:22 PM
I just dont see the fairness smoking POT suspended 4 games keep doing it and you can be banned for life.
Force your PENis in to a females vaginal lips and get suspended for 6 games witch in reality is 4 if Rapistburger follow's the rules and his clinical evaluation.

That's a damn good question. You should end that question to Goodall.

If it had been proven (i know) that such did occur, then I am sure punishment would have been different.

The punishment for testing positive for drug use is stipulated (or was) in the CBA. I don't think there is any provision for suspected serial rapists.

JB
04-21-2010, 11:23 PM
.........with a "conditional" reduction to 2 games if the glove didn't fit?:thinking:

Along with a clinical evaluation :choke:

El Tejano
04-21-2010, 11:47 PM
Killing dogs is a worse crime than sexually assaulting women. :chef::stirpot:


Disclaimer: The above statements do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the poster. Smiley faces were placed to imply that El Tejano is stirring the pot.

BigBull17
04-22-2010, 11:41 AM
What makes me sick is that he is suspended for 6 games, and comes back in time for the prime time games...****ing trying to capitalize on his return.

Corrosion
04-22-2010, 07:15 PM
What makes me sick is that he is suspended for 6 games, and comes back in time for the prime time games...****ing trying to capitalize on his return.

Quite possibly why the NFL schedule makers placed those games in prime time .... I really hope this bastard never plays another down in the NFL .... or worse yet gets sent to the Raiders.

The1ApplePie
04-22-2010, 11:18 PM
Six games hell - the son of a ***** should be in prison

Totally agree

The "she said no!" chant at the draft made my night

Texan_Bill
04-22-2010, 11:30 PM
.........with a "conditional" reduction to 2 games if the glove didn't fit?:thinking:

From being a kid all the way to being an adult, my gloves have never fit, therefore y'all must aquit!! :D

El Tejano
04-23-2010, 12:54 PM
What makes me sick is that he is suspended for 6 games, and comes back in time for the prime time games...****ing trying to capitalize on his return.

Why do you think the announcement came after the schedules were made?

GlassHalfFull
05-05-2010, 01:26 PM
Very long read, but interesting. SI has a pretty indepth article out about Big Ben's Bad Behavior. LOL, sounds like a children's book title

The Hangover: Roethlisberger (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1169185/1/index.htm)

HoustonFrog
05-05-2010, 01:30 PM
Very long read, but interesting. SI has a pretty indepth article out about Big Ben's Bad Behavior. LOL, sounds like a children's book title

The Hangover: Roethlisberger (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1169185/1/index.htm)

The guy seems like a grade A d-bag...and that he has been for a bit.

GlassHalfFull
05-05-2010, 01:31 PM
The guy seems like a grade A d-bag...and that he has been for a bit.

LOL Frog, if you read it that fast, I am impressed with your speed reading abilities.

HoustonFrog
05-05-2010, 09:22 PM
LOL Frog, if you read it that fast, I am impressed with your speed reading abilities.

:fingergun:I had already been reading it online today when you posted it...they had been talking about on 1560 driving to work.

BigTimeTexanFan
05-06-2010, 01:54 PM
"saw two men on motorcycles and recognized one as Roethlisberger, who was not wearing a helmet."

I have one question...

What the hell are two dudes doing on a motorcycle together? Disturbing.

HoustonFrog
05-06-2010, 02:27 PM
"saw two men on motorcycles and recognized one as Roethlisberger, who was not wearing a helmet."

I have one question...

What the hell are two dudes doing on a motorcycle together? Disturbing.

2 guys on motorcycleS. @ dudes, 2 different bikes. Otherwise you would be right.:cowboy1:

BigTimeTexanFan
05-06-2010, 03:26 PM
Ok, sounds much better. Carry on folks.

infantrycak
05-06-2010, 03:52 PM
OK, well I guess I will disagree with the two guys can't ride one motorcycle phobia. I have given lifts to other guys who road a bus, left their car somewhere else, didn't own a bike and the rest of us wanted to ride, etc. on many occasions.

gtexan02
05-06-2010, 04:01 PM
Its an interesting question.

One time a friend of mine got dropped off at work. i was leaving, and he asked if I would give him a ride home. I had ridden in that day.

I told him I didn't feel comfortable giving him a ride without a helmet, but that was only half true.

2 guys on one two-wheeler = ok?

I dont know

GlassHalfFull
05-06-2010, 04:23 PM
Its an interesting question.

One time a friend of mine got dropped off at work. i was leaving, and he asked if I would give him a ride home. I had ridden in that day.

I told him I didn't feel comfortable giving him a ride without a helmet, but that was only half true.

2 guys on one two-wheeler = ok?

I dont know

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/n8ball1/GayBikers_Crash_Krypto.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
06-12-2010, 10:00 AM
Big Ben's refusal to quit drinking could be a big mistake (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/12/big-bens-refusal-to-quit-drinking-could-be-a-big-mistake/)

Earlier this week, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger began the long, difficult process of reconnecting with Pittsburgh fans by making one important but unexpected step -- giving access to the Pittsburgh media. Closer review of the contents of Roethlisberger's interview illustrates the risk of talking publicly prior to the league office's proclamation of final judgment as to whether his six-game suspension will be reduced, or expanded.

Specifically, after everything he has endured over the past year, Roethlisberger is not yet prepared to swear off drinking alcohol.

"Moving forward you have to make sure you make right decisions, and that right decision is going to have to be something I'll have to make when the situation presents itself, how the situation presents itself," Roethlisberger said during his recent interview. "You can't stop living, but you gotta live smarter."

Though we're not privy to the specific restrictions that the league has placed on Roethlisberger, it's fairly safe to assume that the NFL hasn't issued a "thou shalt not" mandate regarding beer and other boozes. (Then again, that would require an assumption that Roethlisberger isn't a complete and total *****, an assumption that many may not regard as safe.)

Even if the league has imposed no alcohol ban on Big Ben, he can't dispute that he has shown bad judgment, or that alcohol impairs judgment -- especially the ability to judge whether or not more alcohol should be consumed. So why would he entrust himself to "make right decisions" after drinking something that tends to impede that process?

If he truly intends to make a commitment to steer clear of any and all trouble, he'd avoid consuming anything that could cause lead him directly toward it. The fact that he doesn't get that makes us wonder whether he still doesn't "get it."

Big Ben has always had a problem with preying on women in bars. I doubt that alcohol will now all of a sudden begin acting as therapeutic for him.