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z0rpAn
03-03-2005, 10:26 PM
I think it should be considered, this kid is awesome and young, truthfully him and peek are the Texans hidden elites. As of now I feel we should give him the job and see what starling is capable of.

Vinny
03-03-2005, 10:31 PM
To me, he is the classic 3 year project. I think he needs to play more but I don't think he is ready for the starting WR2. I'm sure he will get a fair shot at the spot in camp. We will see how it pans out and who is here to compete with him because we will surely bring in another talent to compete.

BuffSoldier
03-03-2005, 10:34 PM
I think he has all the athleticism in the needed to be a good #2 receiver, but he is to raw right now with his route running and other aspects of his game.

Fiddy
03-03-2005, 10:40 PM
Starling didnt even catch a pass last year to the best of my knowledge and now he is the front runner for the #2 spot over Gaff??? Amazing.

z0rpAn
03-03-2005, 10:43 PM
Starling didnt even catch a pass last year to the best of my knowledge and now he is the front runner for the #2 spot over Gaff??? Amazing.

he was on the practice squad all year, he showed his stuff in the preseason. Im not saying he has it over gaff, but he is very talented and very very fast.

Fiddy
03-03-2005, 11:04 PM
he was on the practice squad all year, he showed his stuff in the preseason. Im not saying he has it over gaff, but he is very talented and very very fast.When he puts up some numbers in a game I'll call him very talented. We are forgetting that he was undrafted, if he was very talented he would of been selected in the draft...

D-ReK
03-03-2005, 11:09 PM
No doubt Starling is talented, and has all the tools to succeed, but I don't think that he is ready to step into the #2 roll...

He is extremely raw, and not to mention, he has exactly 0 regular season catches...

I say let the receivers fight it out during camp and whoever wins the spot wins the spot...

z0rpAn
03-03-2005, 11:15 PM
When he puts up some numbers in a game I'll call him very talented. We are forgetting that he was undrafted, if he was very talented he would of been selected in the draft...

Are you aware the Priest Holmes was undrafted? I really hope that he makes the team this year, not just the practice squad.

Fiddy
03-03-2005, 11:17 PM
Are you aware the Priest Holmes was undrafted? I really hope that he makes the team this year, not just the practice squad.Yeah, so was Rod Smith of the Broncos but Priest Holmes and Smith have proven something during their careers to be called "very talented" and be given a starting job. All Starling is right now is a player with great physical tools. Starling has to work his way up, he cant be given the job.

And he was on the team, played in 8 games. He played on special teams and returned one kick. Never caught a pass though.

Hervoyel
03-03-2005, 11:19 PM
I trust that the best man for the #2 spot will win it. If Starling is ready to pass Gaffney and/or anyone else ahead of him for that spot the coaches will give him the spot he earned. It's a possiblity certainly but he's going to have to work to get it and he's going to have to produce to keep it just like anyone else who wants it.

Grid
03-03-2005, 11:24 PM
well.. how the heck do you expect him to get regular season catches if you dont put him in the game :P.

The reason Starling is being considered (at least on this board) for the #2 spot above Gaffney.. is because he is the fastest WR we have.. other than possibly AJ. A football team is not like a desk job.. the next guy in line doesnt always get the promotion.

I love Gaffney and think he is an awesome receiver.. but if we want speed with our #2 guy.. then Gaffney doesnt have it.



and what we saw of Starling looked very good. Its not like we saw him on the roster.. saw that he had a good 40 time and said "HEY lets make him our #2 guy!" :P


I think Vinny is right. We give him a look and let him take a shot at getting the #2 spot.. but we will probably bring in some competition.

Honoring Earl 34
03-03-2005, 11:25 PM
:thumbup Sometimes these boards are funny . Our secret weapons are always the back ups .

tacoman_j
03-03-2005, 11:45 PM
:thumbup Sometimes these boards are funny . Our secret weapons are always the back ups .

Man, we should start Lord @ QB. He's raw, but fast and elude the sack better than Carr. :thumbup

edo783
03-04-2005, 12:31 AM
:thumbup Sometimes these boards are funny . Our secret weapons are always the back ups .

The old saw in the NFL is "The crowds favorit is the backup QB". Seems to apply to most positions. Easy to annoint someone if they haven't played and therefor haven't done anything for people to complain about.

Grid
03-04-2005, 12:38 AM
:listening

Yall are against giving every player on the team a chance to try out for the starter job then?

we said let him try out.. he has talent.. he could possibly win it.. I dont see why this is a terrible thought process? you would prefer that we just said everyone below second string sucks and needs to be cut?

oh wait.. i know.. yall want to trade everyone that isnt a starter and buy 40 year old veterans who will skyrocket us to the superbowl.

good plan.

cptnbreakdance
03-04-2005, 12:42 AM
Why Starling? Sloan Thomas is faster and Bigger, you obviously cant judge based on tallent b/c both are on the practice squad, If given the ball I'm sure Thomas could do great things with it, he was just over shadowed be Roy Williams at Texas, and alot of recievers would be overshadowed by Roy if they were in his place.

Grid
03-04-2005, 12:45 AM
The difference is that we saw alot more out of Starling in preseason..and he wasnt put on the practice squad cause we didnt want him on the roster.. we just had too many WRs as it was. When we had an injury and a roster spot opened.. Starling was the first guy we brought in.

maybe Sloan IS a better talent.. i wouldnt know cause I havent seen him do anything yet. I have seen Starling play though and he looked good.

cptnbreakdance
03-04-2005, 12:48 AM
good point, come to think of it, I do remember seeing him on several special teams plays towards the end of the year.

Hervoyel
03-04-2005, 09:30 AM
oh wait.. i know.. yall want to trade everyone that isnt a starter and buy 40 year old veterans who will skyrocket us to the superbowl.

good plan.


Mr Snyder is that you? Get back to your teams board and stop stirring things up over here! :)

NeViKaN
03-04-2005, 01:15 PM
I think it should be considered, this kid is awesome and young, truthfully him and peek are the Texans hidden elites. As of now I feel we should give him the job and see what starling is capable of.

Hey zorpan "errrrrrrr" Starling, allegedly :shocked .

Doom Capers
03-04-2005, 01:20 PM
I think Starling would make a great deep threat in our passing game. He is fast, and during preseason, I saw him open a lot. I think he deserves to try out for the #2 spot in training camp. Armstrong does too. I think Gaffney is a good #3. He got the ball a lot more in the slot, than as a #2. I saw let Armstrong and Starling battle for the #2, and we will go from there.

H-TownRules
03-04-2005, 02:45 PM
I think we keep Gaff in the slot, and for #2 make a rotation between Armstrong and Starling, that way they can stay fresh.

Rosusu
03-04-2005, 02:48 PM
Why are people just suddenly high on Starling? He has proven nothing to me, and obviously nothing to the team because he got ZERO playing time last year. If he shows something in training camp and pre season he may get a few catches next year, but we still have Armstrong who was a solid 4th reciever. I hope we draft a WR on the first day and have him be our number 2 with Gaff, then Armstrong then Starling. (not resigning Bradford)

z0rpAn
03-04-2005, 02:56 PM
Why are people just suddenly high on Starling? He has proven nothing to me, and obviously nothing to the team because he got ZERO playing time last year. If he shows something in training camp and pre season he may get a few catches next year, but we still have Armstrong who was a solid 4th reciever. I hope we draft a WR on the first day and have him be our number 2 with Gaff, then Armstrong then Starling. (not resigning Bradford)

All Im going to say to that is keep an eye out for him(#17 i think) in the preseason

TexanExile
03-04-2005, 07:34 PM
I'd just be happy to see him continue to develop as a special teams stud. if he can beat out Moses for return duties (meaning show more than he did last preseason), Houston frees a roster spot. Even if he's lower than #3 on the WR depth chart, at least he COULD play WR in a game, unlike JJ.

THEFUTURE
03-05-2005, 01:25 AM
maybe vinny or someone might know this... whats starling's 40 time? i know it doesnt tell everything about a player, im just curious

Vinny
03-05-2005, 01:28 AM
4.38 - Pro Day 40

D-ReK
03-05-2005, 01:29 AM
Acoording to NFL.Com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/kendrick_starling), Starling ran a 4.32 40...

Vinny
03-05-2005, 01:38 AM
Perhaps one is the combine and the other is his pro day. Either way, its not much difference.
Kendrick Starling
Wide Receiver - Position Rank: #17
San Jose St.
5'11" - 190 lbs
4.38 - Pro Day 40
http://2004.otcdraft.com/news/articles/KendrickStarling.php

Kendrick Starling Pro Day - from www.OTCDraft.com
Monday, March, 8 2004 | 2:10 PM CST - Posted by Larry Larmeu

Kendrick Starling (6-0, 196) ran the 40 twice on grass with football shoes for an average of 4.39. He added a 33-inch vertical jump and did not do a long jump nor did he do any shuttles since he had done them at the combine. In his positional workout, he ran a lot of routes and had his quarterback, Scott Rislov, throw passes to him. Not surprisingly, this is one of the hot players right now. Private workouts have been scheduled with the Jaguars, Cardinals, Packers and Eagles, among others.

http://2004.otcdraft.com/quickhits.php?#newsitemEpZlAVFpuFjfDkhbtR

D-ReK
03-05-2005, 01:43 AM
True, there isn't much of a difference...

We posted at the same time, and I wasn't trying to prove you wrong, merely posting what I had found...

That said, how could a guy with sub 4.4 speed, decent size, and good hands go undrafted?

Oh well, that's everyone else's loss and our gain...

Vinny
03-05-2005, 01:46 AM
Didn't really mean anything. Just making a comment (Im often sloppy with my wording). Here is an interesting write up mentioning attitude as the reason he may have went undrafted.

Kendrick Starling, Texans

Starling is an undrafted rookie out of San Jose State that has initially impressed the Houston coaching staff in mini-camp with his athleticism. Starling was the star of the JUCO circuit with a total of 111 receptions, 2305 yards, and 26 touchdowns in two years. He decided to attend Marshall after several higher profile schools sought him out. But Starling left Marshall, took a year off, and resurfaced at San Jose State where he didn't have performances that nearly matched his talent level.

The 6-1, 194 lb. Starling has been compared to Randy Moss in terms of his athleticism, playmaking ability, and unfortunately, attitude. Since The Gut Check has never seen Starling play, he'd have to say that comparison is not fair to either player. Starling could very well turn out to be a great one, but if this happens then we all have to wonder what Starling did, or didn't do, to go un-drafted.

Most likely it has to do with Starling's approach to the game or his attitude off the field, because to put up the kind of JUCO stats he did, and then barely gain just a little over a third of the total yards at San Jose State raises some eyebrows. Any of the negatives attributed to Starling from The Gut Check are purely speculation because he hasn't seen much about the player other than the sound bites about attitude problems without any documentation to justify the label. Otherwise, the only two things The Gut Check can imagine other than attitude/off-field concerns is that Starling either had been playing with an injury or he's had difficulty picking up the mental part of the game and relied too much on his physical gifts-again, purely speculation.

One thing that can't be argued is Starling can flat-out run. He consistently timed at 4.4 or better and he supposedly ran a 4.38 at San Jose State's pro day on a grass field with cleats!
http://www.fftoday.com/articles/waldman/gc_radar.htm

scourge
03-05-2005, 03:04 AM
Does anyone know what Sloan Thomas' 40 time was? I've heard numerous times that he was faster than Roy back at Texas and wondered just how fast. I still think given time and training, he is gonna end up the better of the two.

I'd be pretty happy with an AJ, Starling, Thomas, and Armstrong lineup for '06. Not to say Gaffney isnt a decent WR, but I really don't think he has the potential the others have...

scourge
03-05-2005, 03:12 AM
nevermind, found his 40 time, which was 4.55 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/sloan_thomas)

Not that great, but that doesnt really mean anything. Reading some of the negatives they give Sloan, I could see why he may need a while to develop...

This one made me LMAO

Seems to "chicken fight" when asked to block (flails his arms around, getting whatever piece he can of the defender).

lol:

*edit*
Starling's bio is basically says he needs some work as well... (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/kendrick_starling)

Has limited academic potential, needing time to digest the playbook.

Are we talking Forrest Gump slow?

dirty steve
03-05-2005, 03:14 AM
can one of those guys take legitimate heat off of AJ?

scourge
03-05-2005, 03:24 AM
While I do like both of those guys potential, I dont see either one being a great #2 just yet... And with everything thats been going on lately, I strongly feel that Troy Williamson is gonna be our #13 this year if Pac-Man and DJ arent there, and they shouldnt be.

:twocents:

dirty steve
03-05-2005, 03:28 AM
a gamecock as our top pick 2 years in a row? no prollem with that.

Grid
03-05-2005, 04:23 AM
id think Merriman would probably be above Williamson on our draft chart. everything im hearing about him is that he is a very fast and very powerful tweener. He could be awesome for us opposite of Babin. Merriman/Wong/Greenwood/Babin. looks good to me.

grab an ILB such as Thurman in the second... let Wong go next season.. and we have a very young and talented LB core. Course.. this would use both of our high draft picks on LBs. But there will still be alot of good Olinemen and Dlinemen available in the 3rd and 4th (hopefully.. with everyone switching to a 3-4.. big dlinemen may be a hot commodity)

dirty steve
03-05-2005, 04:29 AM
where is a. peek in the equation?

Grid
03-05-2005, 04:31 AM
same place he has been the last two seasons. passing downs.

dirty steve
03-05-2005, 04:32 AM
i just see alot of people on this MB saying peek should be a starting LB next year.

Grid
03-05-2005, 04:43 AM
I wouldnt be against it.. when ive seen him on the field he looked good. but I think there must be a reason why a player like that isnt the starter. There must be some kind of issue there.

TexanExile
03-05-2005, 01:46 PM
Peek can't throttle his temper and sometimes does more reacting than thinking. That's an awesome makeup for an all-out pass rusher, but in coverage situations it did get him in trouble. It's still early in his career and I think he'll continue to grow. Can't question his heart or athleticism!

infantrycak
03-06-2005, 10:02 PM
Peek can't throttle his temper and sometimes does more reacting than thinking. That's an awesome makeup for an all-out pass rusher, but in coverage situations it did get him in trouble. It's still early in his career and I think he'll continue to grow. Can't question his heart or athleticism!

That does seem to be Peek's most apparent problem. I would hope that at least one of the Texans' coaching staff has worked with hunting dogs though. If you only let them out for 5 minutes they are crazed. Let them out for the day and they can work like clockwork. My theory is let Peek start a couple games (mistakes assumed) and work enough that he isn't playing to win the game on one play. IMO he will settle down and become find his potential which looks very high if in control.

TexansTrueFan
03-06-2005, 10:10 PM
That does seem to be Peek's most apparent problem. I would hope that at least one of the Texans' coaching staff has worked with hunting dogs though. If you only let them out for 5 minutes they are crazed. Let them out for the day and they can work like clockwork. My theory is let Peek start a couple games (mistakes assumed) and work enough that he isn't playing to win the game on one play. IMO he will settle down and become find his potential which looks very high if in control.


hmmm i like the theory. Never thought of it that way, plus only way he will learn is if he gets more PT. Anyone have an update on how he's doing since his injury in J-Ville ?