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Section516
02-17-2010, 01:30 PM
This is the last big NFL draft primer before the scene really shifts for good. That's because with the NFL combine next week, it's not just about those remarkable 40 times, it's about NFL personnel people finding out whether a guy really is who they believe he is. It's amazing how many times NFL personnel folks come away shocked that a player is 5-foot-11, not 6-1, or 230 pounds as opposed to the 248 he'd been listed at. Remember that my Big Board and position group rankings really help in understanding overall draft value.



Some things that stand out in this second mock draft are a jump for quarterback Jimmy Clausen, who I think will emerge strong from the workout and interview process; eight new names; multiple shifts in draft choices and the degree to which defense dominates. Twenty picks fall on that side of the ball.





St. Louis RamsRecord: 1-15
Ndamukong Suh, DT, NebraskaClearly, the Rams need to figure out who will take the snaps, and it'll be interesting to see whether they are overwhelmed by one of the QB options. But unless St. Louis trades down -- which is always difficult given the economics of the draft -- Suh is a safe pick. As I've said before, on film he's maybe the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen. He can help immediately. Oddly, for a player so highly thought of, Suh may be even more versatile than some think.


Detroit LionsRecord: 2-14
Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma


McCoy or Suh will be a welcome sight for the Lions with the second pick, and McCoy is an extraordinarily good consolation prize for any team unable to get Suh. He's simply not that far behind the former Cornhusker in the eyes of personnel people. McCoy is highly disruptive and an ideal player to use as an attacking defensive tackle in a 4-3 scheme.




Tampa Bay BuccaneersRecord: 3-13
Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee


People will continue to debate the merits of taking a safety so high, but Berry is an exception to any rule. He could be the next to join the class of true difference-makers at the safety position with the likes of Troy Polamalu, Ed Reed (the most frequent comparison) and Bob Sanders. Berry is outstanding in coverage and far more physical than his size would indicate.



Washington RedskinsRecord: 4-12
Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre Dame


Clausen will gain momentum after the combine. Once he's fully recovered from his toe surgery, he'll show teams he can make the throws, but there's more to it. His intelligence, competitiveness and toughness will impress personnel people, and his stock will rise. Clausen has under-center experience and was as close to mistake-free as he could be given his surroundings this past season.



Kansas City ChiefsRecord: 4-12
Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers


Davis has the physical talent to be a Pro Bowl player early in his career, but he's still developing. Still, given a choice, the Chiefs can't pass on his upside, which is as high as any player's in the draft. A potential Walter Jones-like presence, if his development continues. The Chiefs also could move Branden Albert to the right side.


Seattle SeahawksRecord: 5-11
Sam Bradford*, QB, OklahomaThe bottom line on Bradford: This quarterback has 10-point accuracy and could very well have gone ahead of Matthew Stafford as the No. 1 pick last year. He will have a chance to prove to many scouts he's still the elite prospect many believe him to be. It's fair to doubt him, but his talent is unquestionable.

Cleveland BrownsRecord: 5-11
Joe Haden*, CB, FloridaHaden has the chance to be a top-five player at his position very quickly. He also fits an immediate need for Cleveland and is easily the top cornerback on the board, a player it can plug in from day one. A deft cover corner and great tackler, Haden is the total package.

Oakland RaidersRecord: 5-11
Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South FloridaLike Anthony Davis, Pierre-Paul has as much upside as any player in the draft. He's still raw by NFL standards but could contribute quickly just based on incredible athleticism. Once his pass-rushing skills are refined, he's a game-changer.

Buffalo BillsRecord: 6-10
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma StateThe Bills should race to the podium as the Redskins did last year when Brian Orakpo landed in their laps. Significant need meets fantastic value here, with Okung being able to step in right away and help a weak offensive line.

Denver Broncos (from Chicago)Record: 7-9
Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma StateObviously, a lot depends on whether Brandon Marshall is expected to be back come draft time, but if he isn't, this pick is a winner. You fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12; he's a weapon in the passing game.

Jacksonville JaguarsRecord: 7-9
Derrick Morgan*, DE, Georgia TechIn the first mock, I had Pierre-Paul in this spot, but his rising stock moves him up the board. Morgan certainly hasn't fallen as a prospect and should be snatched up quickly by the pass-rush-deficient Jags. He's as productive and versatile a player as there is in the draft.

Miami DolphinsRecord:7-9
Rolando McClain*, LB, AlabamaA great get for Miami, a team that needs an inside linebacker and could get the best one in the draft after the top 10. I mentioned before that the Dolphins also could go after Bryant if he were to fall to them here, because they also must address their need at wide receiver. Problem is after Bryant, there's a value gap. If McClain and Bryant are gone here, a trade down the board could be considered.

San Francisco 49ersRecord: 8-8
C.J. Spiller, RB, ClemsonIn Spiller, the 49ers can add a player who complements Frank Gore in a way I don't think Glen Coffee can. Spiller is a home run threat and should spell Gore and diversify the offense. He also provides an upgrade in the return game.

Seattle Seahawks (from Denver)Record: 5-11
Everson Griffen*, DE, USCSeattle could use help on its O-line, but Griffen fills a significant need for pass-rush help here. The Seahawks will take a serious value hit if they select an offensive tackle here with Okung and Davis already off the board. Griffen also has a great size-speed combination, ideal on the edge of a 4-3.

New York GiantsRecord: 8-8
Sergio Kindle, OLB, TexasKindle is a need pick for the Giants, who must get stronger in their linebacking corps and could use a little more help with situational pass-rushing than some think. Kindle will need to overcome size issues -- another way of saying he simply could add some bulk to a long (6-4) frame -- but he's proven far sturdier against the run than many who also can rush the passer.

San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina)Record: 8-8
Trent Williams, OT, OklahomaConsidering how good Williams is, even at a position that normally doesn't draw high-to-mid first-round picks, getting him here would be of solid value. Williams could step in immediately at right tackle, and the 49ers would upgrade up front.

Tennessee TitansRecord: 8-8
Carlos Dunlap*, DE, FloridaAt a certain point, even questions surrounding a player's makeup can't overcome the talent, and getting a player like Dunlap at this stage is hard to question. With exceptional size and top-end athleticism for a defensive end, Dunlap should help disrupt opposing passers early in his career.

Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 9-7
Mike Iupati, G, IdahoIupati was one of the breakout stars at the Senior Bowl. He fits what Pittsburgh likes as an athletic but powerful guard who should help return the Steelers' running game to the upper half of the league. Steve Hutchinson comparisons are legitimate. (Hutchinson went No. 17 overall in the 2001 draft.)

Atlanta FalconsRecord: 9-7
Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise StateWilson is another player who jumped at the Senior Bowl. He's fluid, excellent in coverage and an immediate help on special teams. Wilson had a quiet season, but great cornerbacks often do. He simply wasn't challenged enough. Stock is now back on the rise.

Houston TexansRecord: 9-7
Brian Price*, DT, UCLAOne of the guys who carries over with the same team from the first mock. Price is hidden away a bit in such a deep class of defensive linemen, but he's a disruptive force who uses great leverage. He should help a defense that's really close to being very good.

Cincinnati BengalsRecord: 10-6
Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia TechHere's the big riser of the past couple of weeks. Thomas will be red-hot after the workouts get going. He's a big target (6-3, 225 pounds) and a downfield threat. He averaged more than 25 yards per catch and remained productive in a run-based offense based. Carson Palmer needs weapons, and Thomas can be one.

New England PatriotsRecord: 10-6
Brandon Graham, OLB, MichiganIf production were all that mattered, Graham would be long gone by now. He led the FBS in tackles for loss and showed why at the Senior Bowl. Always in the backfield, he's an ideal outside linebacker for the Patriots' system, a terror against both the run and the pass.

Green Bay PackersRecord: 11-5
Bryan Bulaga*, OT, IowaThe more you listen to Green Bay's people, the more you get the sense that keeping Aaron Rodgers upright is a major priority, and it should be, because seeing an MVP-level talent knocked out because of a lack of protection is a sad thought. Bulaga can help immediately, and he has room to grow.

Philadelphia EaglesRecord: 11-5
Taylor Mays, S, USCThe Eagles are looking for that heir to Brian Dawkins, a physical safety who can scare opposing receivers and contribute to the rush defense. Mays has everything you could ask for as a physical package. He had a bad season, and there are legit concerns, but Mays still reeks of top-level NFL athleticism. He just needs to put it together.

Baltimore RavensRecord: 9-7
Arrelious Benn*, WR, IllinoisEvery indication out of Baltimore is that this organization is committed to finding pieces that can help Joe Flacco. If Benn shows scouts he has the necessary speed, everything else is there. He is physical, can run after the catch and can even help in the return game.

Arizona CardinalsRecord: 10-6
Dan Williams, DT, TennesseeI kept Williams here as a solid remedy to fill the Cardinals' second-biggest need. Just a tremendously strong player, starting with exceptional drive from his lower body, Williams is a disruptive force against the run and is a great help to linebackers.

Dallas CowboysRecord: 11-5
Bruce Campbell*, OT, MarylandCowboys fans with bad memories of getting thrashed up front in the playoffs should be thrilled to get a talent like Campbell right here. Campbell should see his stock rise at the combine, where his athleticism will be on display. If the Cowboys are serious about addressing their biggest need, this is the direction they need to go.

San Diego ChargersRecord: 13-3
Terrence Cody, DT, AlabamaAs I explained earlier this week, I expect to see Cody's stock rise because he may be the purest example in this draft of a guy who, limitations aside, specifically fits a scheme. Cody is the prototype block-occupying clogger in a 3-4 scheme. You can question his weight or his versatility, but he can make other players better. Remember, Jamal Williams' injury is a factor here.

New York JetsRecord: 9-7
Devin McCourty, CB, RutgersThe Jets could use some receiving help for Mark Sanchez here as well, but McCourty is a guy whose stock could skyrocket if he runs the way many think he will. The Jets can get exposed when passers throw away from Darrelle Revis, and McCourty could be the answer on the other side.

Minnesota VikingsRecord: 12-4
Maurkice Pouncey, G/C, FloridaThe Vikings could use help on the interior of their offensive line, and Pouncey has a first-round grade as a guard, which makes him an outstanding player. The Vikes did well when they looked to Gainesville in the first round last year.

Indianapolis ColtsRecord: 14-2
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn StateOne of the areas in which Indy could use help is along the interior of its defensive line, and Odrick can help the linebackers run free and be disruptive in his own right. Like Williams at No. 26, a great talent buried a little bit in a deep class of defensive linemen.

New Orleans SaintsRecord: 14-2
Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, MissouriWeatherspoon fits like a glove for the Saints as an outside linebacker in 4-3 system. He has ideal size for the position and is a tackling machine. Weatherspoon has the speed and experience to play inside or out, so adding versatility is also a good value proposition.

* -- Draft-eligible junior/redshirt sophomore


Only concern is, wheres Earl Thomas? Why did he fall out of the first? Isn't he rated as the #2 safety and corner?

Section516
02-17-2010, 01:31 PM
For those wondering, #1


Originally Published: January 20, 2010
Underclassmen dominate first mock21 non-seniors show up in the first round of Mel Kiper's initial mockComment Email Print Share By Mel Kiper
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Ndamukong Suh is Mel's choice for the first overall pick by the Rams.

Things certainly will change as the workout season commences, but it's time to get the ball rolling for the 2010 NFL draft. Remember that my Big Board and position group rankings (now adjusted so all declared players are grouped) are a good primer. That said, off we go.



Two things that stand out early in the first mock draft of the season are the degree to which the first round is dominated by underclassmen -- they make up 21 of the 32 picks -- and how we're seeing a truly deep class of defensive linemen. Even though many NFL teams now employ the 3-4, the options up front for either 4-3 or 3-4 defenses are pretty significant in this draft.





St. Louis RamsRecord: 1-15
Ndamukong Suh, DT, NebraskaNobody questions that the top need for the Rams is a quarterback. But unless St. Louis trades down -- an extremely difficult proposition on multiple levels -- it shouldn't take a quarterback with its first pick. Suh is maybe the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen in 32 years of doing this. He can be effective immediately for the Rams, and they may address the QB with a trade.


Detroit LionsRecord: 2-14
Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma


Getting McCoy both fills a big need for the Lions and is an extraordinarily good consolation prize for any team unable to get Suh. McCoy makes his living in opponents' backfields and is such a talent he could have landed in this position last year had he declared as a redshirt sophomore.




Tampa Bay BuccaneersRecord: 3-13
Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee


This is very early for a safety to go off the board, but Berry is that kind of talent. A player compared often (not unfairly) to Ed Reed, Berry is a difference-making safety headed to a league that has seen those types (Reed, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders) become more and more prevalent in recent years.



Washington RedskinsRecord: 4-12
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma


Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.



Kansas City ChiefsRecord: 4-12
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State


I think the Chiefs could use help at safety as well, but Berry likely won't fall this far, and they'd be reaching on either of the two other safeties with first-round grades. Okung could solve two problems, making him a good value -- he could step in at LT and allow the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert to the right side. A pick that can pay immediate dividends for the Chiefs.



Seattle SeahawksRecord: 5-11
Derrick Morgan*, DE, Georgia TechMany in Seattle will view the offensive line as a greater need, but Morgan fills another huge hole for a team that simply couldn't get to the quarterback in 2009. He represents great value because he can rush the passer, is productive against the run and can even drop back -- a versatile talent. Pete Carroll knows defense and should love what Morgan can offer.

Cleveland BrownsRecord: 5-11
Joe Haden*, CB, FloridaI'm not convinced the Browns will be willing to draft a quarterback simply because the position is unsettled. In Haden, they can't go wrong with by far the top CB on the board, a player they can plug in from day one. A deft cover corner and great tackler, Haden is the total package.

Oakland RaidersRecord: 5-11
Anthony Davis*, OT, RutgersDavis might not be the most complete tackle in the first round just yet, but he is the most naturally gifted and should get better. Great feet, ideal size and he has the ability to maul defenders in the run game. After a whiff in the first round last year, the Raiders should address a big need here.

Buffalo BillsRecord: 6-10
Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre DamePeople will debate Clausen's merits long after he shakes the commissioner's hand, but he has continued to improve, has displayed toughness, has an NFL arm and, perhaps most importantly, has experience under center in a pro-style offense. That was a key for Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez, and is a huge consideration for scouts.

Denver Broncos (from Chicago)Record: 7-9
Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma StateIn all likelihood, Brandon Marshall is headed elsewhere, so the Broncos will attempt to fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12. He represents an immediate weapon in the passing game.

Jacksonville JaguarsRecord: 7-9
Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South FloridaThis is no place to draft a guy like Tim Tebow just to sell tickets. Pierre-Paul could be the Mario Williams of this draft class, a raw talent but one with remarkable athleticism and an incredible burst off the line. Could be a terror for QBs in the future and maybe he's local enough for some.

Miami DolphinsRecord:7-9
Rolando McClain*, LB, AlabamaA potential home run for Miami, a team that needs an inside linebacker and could get the best one in the whole draft after the top 10. The Dolphins also could go after Bryant if he were to fall to them here, because they also must address WR.

San Francisco 49ersRecord: 8-8
Trent Williams, OT, OklahomaI consider the right tackle position a big need for the 49ers, and getting Williams here should strengthen them immediately both in the run game and as they look to further develop a potentially dangerous passing game with Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.

Seattle Seahawks (from Denver)Record: 5-11
C.J. Spiller, RB, ClemsonHe's not an offensive lineman, but Spiller could be a Reggie Bush-like option for the Seahawks. For a coach uniquely familiar with what Bush can do, Spiller is a missing home run threat in the run game, a good receiver and a valuable returner. Fans will want O-line help, and I'd expect it in Round 2.

New York GiantsRecord: 8-8
Carlos Dunlap*, DE, FloridaThis is a high-value pick for the Giants, whose defensive line depth I feel has been overstated. There are makeup questions surrounding Dunlap, but for much of this past season, he was considered the premier pass-rusher in the college game. He has the potential to be like Jevon Kearse -- the healthy version.

San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina)Record: 8-8
Earl Thomas*, S, TexasThe 49ers need help in pass coverage, and Thomas fits because he's a great value here, whereas reaching for a CB at No. 16 wouldn't represent good value at all. Thomas isn't a huge guy but can cover a tremendous amount of real estate.

Tennessee TitansRecord: 8-8
Everson Griffen*, DE, USCPierre-Paul likely won't fall this far, so the Titans get a gifted underclassman who looked like a pro coming out of high school and now is living up to his potential. He already has an NFL frame, and when Griffen is consistent, he's a strong pass-rusher.

Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 9-7
Bryan Bulaga*, OT, IowaPittsburgh clearly needs help up front if it wants to return to power running and protecting the quarterback, and Bulaga is an emerging tackle with great feet from a pro-style system. The Steelers will improve immediately, and he wears the black and gold well already.

Atlanta FalconsRecord: 9-7
Sergio Kindle, OLB, TexasThe Falcons could use some help at OLB, and Kindle's continued improvement throughout the season is appealing. He's not quite in the class of Brian Orakpo, but he is a similar type of player and has proved to be very physical.

Houston TexansRecord: 9-7
Brian Price*, DT, UCLAPrice is hidden away a bit in such a deep class of defensive linemen, but he's a disruptive force who utilizes great leverage. He should add depth to an improving defense.

Cincinnati BengalsRecord: 10-6
Aaron Hernandez*, TE, FloridaThey need to give Carson Palmer options in the passing game aside from who already is there, and Hernandez is the most athletic TE available, a guy with surprising run-after-catch ability. The favorite target of Tebow at Florida, he could offer immediate help in the passing game.

New England PatriotsRecord: 10-6
Ricky Sapp, OLB, ClemsonThe Patriots clearly need help when it comes to getting to opposing quarterbacks, and Sapp is an ideal fit on the edge in the 3-4. He's the kind of athlete who can adjust to being upright and flat-out knows how to get to the quarterback.

Green Bay PackersRecord: 11-5
Taylor Mays, S, USCIf you had told Green Bay in August that it could get Mays at No. 23 overall, the Packers would have been thrilled. An extraordinary athlete, Mays might have suffered against expectations, but the Pack hit a home run with Clay Matthews Jr. out of USC last year, and Mays both fills a need and has great potential.

Philadelphia EaglesRecord: 11-5
Navorro Bowman*, OLB, Penn StateThe Eagles need an athletic OLB, and they get a lot of value by landing Bowman here. Bowman lacks size, but any parsing on measurables can't overcome his great play on film. Could end up as the best at his position in this class.

Baltimore RavensRecord: 9-7
Jermaine Gresham*, TE, OklahomaGresham is so good that while he sat out his junior year, I left him on the Big Board the whole time. Now healthy, he's a great find this late in the first round and a perfect target for Joe Flacco as an heir to Todd Heap. At a hair over 6-6 and 262 pounds, he's the total package at TE.

Arizona CardinalsRecord: 10-6
Dan Williams, DT, TennesseeI see this position as the second-biggest need for the Cardinals, and Williams is a great value here. Tremendously strong in the lower body, he is a disruptive force against the run.

Dallas CowboysRecord: 11-5
Bruce Campbell*, OT, MarylandJerry Jones knows he needs to address the tackle position after the debacle he witnessed against Minnesota in the divisional round of the playoffs, and Campbell, while still learning, is a tremendous talent at this position.

San Diego ChargersRecord: 13-3
Jonathan Dwyer*, RB, Georgia TechWith the possible departure of LaDainian Tomlinson on the horizon, Dwyer represents the player who can handle 20-plus carries in an offense that already has a great speed back in Darren Sproles. Dwyer has ideal size and shows explosiveness.

New York JetsRecord: 9-7
Golden Tate*, WR, Notre DameThe Jets must give Mark Sanchez some weapons in the passing game, and while Tate has question marks on his ability to separate, he is more physical than many think and has always been a playmaker. In the mold of Laveranues Coles.

Minnesota VikingsRecord: 12-4
Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida StateNeed meets value here. Robinson is the second-best corner in the draft, and Minnesota should be happy to grab him this late. Robinson has the chance to step in and contribute.

New Orleans SaintsRecord: 13-3
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn StateOdrick is an ideal pick here for the Saints, who are looking to add stability to the rush defense. His presence helped standout LBs Bowman and Sean Lee run free up in Happy Valley, and the Saints will ask for the same.

Indianapolis ColtsRecord: 14-2
Brandon Graham, DE, MichiganGraham was a one-man show for the Wolverines, leading the nation in tackles for loss as a senior. Always in the backfield, he's a guy who can learn under master pass-rushers in Indy and build on the tradition. He's been on my Big Board all year, so a good value this late.

* -- Draft-eligible junior/redshirt sophomore

badboy
02-17-2010, 02:08 PM
Well, I miss on Kyle Wilson but I'd take Thomas and not look back.

Tailgate
02-17-2010, 02:36 PM
Has Earl Thomas falling out of the first round? Okkkkkaaaaaaaaaay?

bah007
02-17-2010, 02:48 PM
Has Earl Thomas falling out of the first round? Okkkkkaaaaaaaaaay?

Not gonna happen after he blazes his 40 at the combine.

I also don't see the Bengals using a first round pick on a WR who only knows how to run one route (I'm exaggerating, but barely). I like Thomas. I think he has incredible potential. But what happens if you take the guy and find out he cannot get any separation unless he is running in a straight line?

HOU-TEX
02-17-2010, 02:51 PM
The Giants will still be a 4-3 team, right? If so, I don't see them taking Kindle. Unless they're going to use him as a DE, which IMO, would be a mistake

I can't believe Kiper's kept his job this long. I think he's one of the worst in the business.

bah007
02-17-2010, 02:53 PM
The Giants will still be a 4-3 team, right? If so, I don't see them taking Kindle. Unless they're going to use him as a DE, which IMO, would be a mistake

Kindle played the same position at Texas that Orakpo did. Orakpo successfully made the transition from that hybrid position to a traditional 43 defense so I'm guessing that Kiper thinks Kindle will too.

I think Kindle would do better as a 34 OLB.

bah007
02-17-2010, 02:54 PM
...I can't believe Kiper's kept his job this long. I think he's one of the worst in the business.

At least he is better than McShay (that's not saying much, I know).

Tailgate
02-17-2010, 02:55 PM
Not gonna happen after he blazes his 40 at the combine.

I also don't see the Bengals using a first round pick on a WR who only knows how to run one route (I'm exaggerating, but barely). I like Thomas. I think he has incredible potential. But what happens if you take the guy and find out he cannot get any separation unless he is running in a straight line?

I see Thomas staying at FS. He is extremely gifted as an athlete, a bit undersized, but he is a very very smart football player and has a knack for the ball. He is exactly what we need imo and would pair up well with Pollard and his physical play. I dont see Thomas lasting to 20 when its all said and done.

JB
02-17-2010, 02:58 PM
Not gonna happen after he blazes his 40 at the combine.

I also don't see the Bengals using a first round pick on a WR who only knows how to run one route (I'm exaggerating, but barely). I like Thomas. I think he has incredible potential. But what happens if you take the guy and find out he cannot get any separation unless he is running in a straight line?

I see Thomas staying at FS. He is extremely gifted as an athlete, a bit undersized, but he is a very very smart football player and has a knack for the ball. He is exactly what we need imo and would pair up well with Pollard and his physical play. I dont see Thomas lasting to 20 when its all said and done.

Bah007 was referring to Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech

bah007
02-17-2010, 02:58 PM
I see Thomas staying at FS. He is extremely gifted as an athlete, a bit undersized, but he is a very very smart football player and has a knack for the ball. He is exactly what we need imo and would pair up well with Pollard and his physical play. I dont see Thomas lasting to 20 when its all said and done.

Agree with all of that.

beerlover
02-17-2010, 02:59 PM
I see Thomas staying at FS. He is extremely gifted as an athlete, a bit undersized, but he is a very very smart football player and has a knack for the ball. He is exactly what we need imo and would pair up well with Pollard and his physical play. I dont see Thomas lasting to 20 when its all said and done.

Can't wait for the combine. one is obvious, watching prospects compete but two I want to know if the Texans are picking #19 or #20. A smidge closer to the top will only help in Thomas case but there will be a couple teams who make mistakes plus this is a deep class so it's still up in the air.

Hardcore Texan
02-17-2010, 03:04 PM
So, according this we are going DL with the first pick.......great....:bubbles:

badboy
02-17-2010, 03:06 PM
Can't wait for the combine. one is obvious, watching prospects compete but two I want to know if the Texans are picking #19 or #20. A smidge closer to the top will only help in Thomas case but there will be a couple teams who make mistakes plus this is a deep class so it's still up in the air.Agreed and can only increase our chances of a trade down.

nero THE zero
02-17-2010, 03:16 PM
I'm a huge GTech fan, and a huge proponent of Demaryius Thomas, but those who want to talk about the effects of the triple option on possibly distorting the perception of a player, BayBay's a prime example.

He's got the size, speed, and hands to be a long-time NFL player. But, I see a lot of pundits using his YPC as evidence of such. His YPC is the result of the offense he played in. They're not the result of running crisp routes, breaking a couple of tackles, and taking it to the house, the latter of which he did do with regularity, BTW, rather, the result of defenses disproportionately focusing on the run, leaving a DB on an island and Thomas beating him.

Again, I think Thomas is a legit pro and I'd love to have him, but those expecting those kinds of YPC numbers in the NFL will be disappointed.

Tailgate
02-17-2010, 03:37 PM
Bah007 was referring to Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech

Bah ha! Thats a Big 10-4... roger that. I referenced the older mock on accident from king douche.

bah007
02-17-2010, 03:49 PM
Bah ha! Thats a Big 10-4... roger that. I referenced the older mock on accident from king douche.

My bad. Should have specified between the two Thomases since I addressed both of them.

nero THE zero
02-18-2010, 08:56 AM
Well, there goes that:

http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports/2010/02/17/techs-thomas-breaks-foot/
Former Georgia Tech wide receiver Demaryius Thomas broke his foot during training on Wednesday, according to a posting on his facebook page.

He won’t be able to participate in next week’s combine in Indianapolis, but his agent, Todd France, said that Thomas should be able to get back on the field in 4-6 weeks.

“There are no longterm effects from the injury and Demaryius will be 100 percent by the time OTA’s begin,” France told SI.com. “If surgery hastens the healing process, that is something we will consider.”

The injury occurred during a three-cone drill exercise that Thomas was participating in at a preparation camp in Scottsdale, Ariz.

Thomas, 6-3, 237 pounds, shot into the first round of ESPN analyst Mel Kiper’s draft board on Wednesday. Kiper wrote on espn.com that Thomas was a “big-time downfield threat” and that he “will be red-hot after the workouts get going.”

Thomas, a native of Montrose, had 46 receptions for 1,154 yards and eight touchdowns last season. During his three-year career at Tech, Thomas caught 120 passes for 2,339 yards and 14 touchdowns.

threetoedpete
02-19-2010, 01:43 AM
So, according this we are going DL with the first pick.......great....:bubbles:


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/347930-mel-kipers-20-mock-draft-upon-further-review


Warmed the cockles of my heart I'll tell ya that.

kiwitexansfan
02-19-2010, 02:31 PM
So, according this we are going DL with the first pick.......great....:bubbles:

Keep at it till you get it right I say. BPA always works for me.

Blake
02-19-2010, 04:27 PM
WTF? Earl Thomas completely missing from the first round. Texans taking another DT, and passing on Dan Williams?

Kyle Wilson at #19? I dont think so. For all those KW fans, I am not bashing him, I just think that there are better prospects available, and even better CB prospects available.

I also think that Brandon Graham should go higher. I have been a big fan of his since he arrived at Ann Arbor.

mussop
02-19-2010, 06:09 PM
WTF? Earl Thomas completely missing from the first round. Texans taking another DT, and passing on Dan Williams?

Kyle Wilson at #19? I dont think so. For all those KW fans, I am not bashing him, I just think that there are better prospects available, and even better CB prospects available.

I also think that Brandon Graham should go higher. I have been a big fan of his since he arrived at Ann Arbor.

Add Thomas's small frame and the fact that most teams dont like to use high draft picks on Safeties and there is a good chance Thomas does go in the second round.