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TwoTrill
02-15-2010, 10:57 PM
I see alot of people giving up on him
but i think he can bounce back next year

redwhiteANDblue
02-15-2010, 11:10 PM
I thought he wasn't coming back next year due to his injury. Anyways we need him just as much as we need OD. He fits our passing offense perfectly with his ability to make a plays off screen passes.

m5kwatts
02-15-2010, 11:31 PM
I won't believe anything about Slaton's health until he or the team says it... all this speculation is irresponsible

DerekLee1
02-15-2010, 11:31 PM
I expect him to be back, but as a 3rd down back as he was drafted for. He'll compete with Foster and a rookie for the 2-down guy.

edo783
02-15-2010, 11:33 PM
Will he be back......... probably. Will he be effective ........ Maybe. Will he be physically reliable.......... Most likely not. As much as I would LOVE for him to come back full steam and be solidly reliable, I would be deeply upset if we don't proceed as though he will be of little to no use. So, do we need to take a RB in the 1st .......? I think Steve has pretty much pointed out that it isn't necessary. There is zero guarantee that the RB taken in the 1st will be any more physically reliable than a RB taken in the 3-4th rounds. He could be hurt on the 1st play and never play agin. While he might have more PERCEIVED talent, Steve is sort of the poster child for saying that isn't always true. I personally kind of like Dwyer, but is he the right guy..... Danged if I know, and the idea of a 1st round RB scares the heck out of me given the cost of acquiring one and their VERY short shelf life. O-line guards or a CB, I would be much more comfortable with. Not that they would necessarily be higher value players for the teams record/betterment, they tend to have much longer playing careers, so the money would have a much better chance of being well spent.

Texans_Chick
02-15-2010, 11:40 PM
He thinks he will be back.

It would be handy to have him given he was one of the top three receiving options for Schaub in 2008.

I think that they have to plan as though he will not be playing, but that if he is back it is like a lagniappe.

I'm not sure whether his status will effect the type of back the Texans draft. Whether they go for an every down sort of back, or are tempted to take a quality third down back because they don't think Slaton comes back.

DiehardChris
02-15-2010, 11:51 PM
I think he'll come back, and I think he'll be effective.

The problem is, we can't take the chance and ASSUME he's going to return to form. I feel like we need to look at our RB situation as if Steve's best-case scenario is that he's a complimentary back/third-down specialist. It's not that I don't think he can be THE guy - it's just that we can't just sit and hope that he can be. If he ends up being SS of '08, it would be a good problem to have if the new rookie or FA is also good enough to be THE guy.

Texans_Chick
02-16-2010, 12:00 AM
I think he'll come back, and I think he'll be effective.

The problem is, we can't take the chance and ASSUME he's going to return to form. I feel like we need to look at our RB situation as if Steve's best-case scenario is that he's a complimentary back/third-down specialist. It's not that I don't think he can be THE guy - it's just that we can't just sit and hope that he can be. If he ends up being SS of '08, it would be a good problem to have if the new rookie or FA is also good enough to be THE guy.

I'm pretty sure that they won't be assuming anything. That was one of the major themes that Kubiak discussed after the 2006 season--that they can never assume that a player will be coming back right after injury.

I think they are still searching for their solid basic every down back that won't limit them in short yardage situations.

redwhiteANDblue
02-16-2010, 12:03 AM
If we do get a back I think it will be a power back. A RB that can take time off the clock when we really need to and move piles. Our offense was working wonders. There's no need to put a huge focus on the running game. I can insure you we won't draft a RB in the first round and that's certain.

m5kwatts
02-16-2010, 12:13 AM
I'm pretty sure that they won't be assuming anything. That was one of the major themes that Kubiak discussed after the 2006 season--that they can never assume that a player will be coming back right after injury.

I think they are still searching for their solid basic every down back that won't limit them in short yardage situations.


If we do get a back I think it will be a power back. A RB that can take time off the clock when we really need to and move piles. Our offense was working wonders. There's no need to put a huge focus on the running game. I can insure you we won't draft a RB in the first round and that's certain.

Agreed on both accounts. Its also worth noting that McNair highlighted RB as a major focus in the offseason (which I think is significant given that he writes the checks). 1st round, I really doubt it. 2nd round or later, definitely. I also think we'll sign a less-heralded under-the-radar back in free agency IF the price is right.

Personally IMO I think they're approaching this offseason as if the only back on the roster is Foster. Slaton's a bonus healthy or not.

Corrosion
02-16-2010, 12:49 AM
I just hope that if / when he comes back he can HOLD ON TO THE DAMN BALL

m5kwatts
02-16-2010, 01:06 AM
I just hope that if / when he comes back he can HOLD ON TO THE DAMN BALL

Ditto for all our current/future backs... lets hope that fumblitus was just a one year plague on this unit

barrett
02-16-2010, 01:08 AM
all this speculation is irresponsible

Damn dude. That's what I like to hear. Rep.

barrett
02-16-2010, 01:15 AM
a 1st round RB scares the heck out of me given the cost of acquiring one and their VERY short shelf life. O-line guards or a CB, I would be much more comfortable with. Not that they would necessarily be higher value players for the teams record/betterment, they tend to have much longer playing careers, so the money would have a much better chance of being well spent.

My standard thought process agrees with this line of thinking but I can't help but think that the next 5 to 7 years are pretty important for this franchise and if we can get a back that is hugely effective for the next 4 - 5 then it not really a bad value. So long as the price isn't crippling (which at 19 or 20 it's not likely to be).

Then again, an interior linemen who opens up better holes for the next 8 - 12 years for the RB's we already have is certainly more logical.

I guess I don't know either.

m5kwatts
02-16-2010, 01:21 AM
My standard thought process agrees with this line of thinking but I can't help but think that the next 5 to 7 years are pretty important for this franchise and if we can get a back that is hugely effective for the next 4 - 5 then it not really a bad value. So long as the price isn't crippling (which at 19 or 20 it's not likely to be).

Then again, an interior linemen who opens up better holes for the next 8 - 12 years for the RB's we already have is certainly more logical.

I guess I don't know either.

You just mimicked a conversation thats probably taken place every day over at Reliant since January. If only we could be flies on the wall....

Texecutioner
02-16-2010, 01:51 AM
I see alot of people giving up on him
but i think he can bounce back next year

I think it's more about people wanting more depth than anything. IN the NFL you can never have enough backs. If a team lost 10 RB's in one season it wouldn't even be a surprise. YOu just never know.

And with the way Slaton played last season and ran through the line, well there wasn't a whole lot to be confident about as far as that goes. Then he got hurt as well, so there is no other choice but to keep the RB position a high priority. It should have been a very high one last season, but it wasn't unfortunately and we suffered because of that. A lot of people still have a lot of confidence in Slaton. I know that I do, but we need more guys than that.

HOU-TEX
02-16-2010, 09:51 AM
I think he'll come back, and I think he'll be effective.

The problem is, we can't take the chance and ASSUME he's going to return to form. I feel like we need to look at our RB situation as if Steve's best-case scenario is that he's a complimentary back/third-down specialist. It's not that I don't think he can be THE guy - it's just that we can't just sit and hope that he can be. If he ends up being SS of '08, it would be a good problem to have if the new rookie or FA is also good enough to be THE guy.

I agree 100%. I mentioned something last week about not counting him out until a reliable team source says otherwise. McWheezer is NOT that reliable source.

BTW, I thought there was an unwritten rule about using large pictures for signatures. We didn't want to become one of those boards where signatures fill an entire thread. Correct me if I'm wrong

BullNation4Life
02-16-2010, 11:35 AM
Not coming back? Who heard that? Everything I have heard and read was the procedure was a success and it would take 3 months for him to be back on the field, so he would probably miss some of OTAs. I also heard that his fumbling could have been a direct result in this pinched nerve, due to numbness in his left arm, and that this procedure he went through should bring back the feeling he was missing.

I have no doubt he will be back and feeling 100% before kickoff in September....

Oh and these were reports from Kubiak himself so take it for what it is worth...

silvrhand
02-16-2010, 11:45 AM
Ditto for all our current/future backs... lets hope that fumblitus was just a one year plague on this unit

Hate to bring this up but he fumbled a lot in college too, this isn't something new for him. Combine this with an injury and I think that you are just going to have to find a RB, and if you can find a stud in the draft that IMHO is what we need, with some good solid OL picks as well.

Or go trade for a good backup, I wouldn't mind picking up the Glen Coffee from the 49ers as well.. if we aren't going to spend a draft pick go out and get someone.

The Pencil Neck
02-16-2010, 03:33 PM
Not coming back? Who heard that? Everything I have heard and read was the procedure was a success and it would take 3 months for him to be back on the field, so he would probably miss some of OTAs. I also heard that his fumbling could have been a direct result in this pinched nerve, due to numbness in his left arm, and that this procedure he went through should bring back the feeling he was missing.

I have no doubt he will be back and feeling 100% before kickoff in September....

Oh and these were reports from Kubiak himself so take it for what it is worth...

We have a medical professional who's a regular on the board. And according to the description of the procedure performed, a 3 month recovery would be extremely unlikely. IIRC, a 6 month recovery is more expected and that's to just get back to a point where someone can perform normal day-to-day actions, not running around and take a pounding.

Considering our history with injuries, most of us are taking the cynical approach.

Also, Slaton had his fumbling problems prior to the time when the injury supposedly took place. So blaming Slaton's fumblitis on the injury doesn't work unless he suffered this injury much earlier than reported. And if he did suffer this injury that early, then his recovery is even less sure because he would have taken a ton more damage.

thunderkyss
02-16-2010, 04:13 PM
It should have been a very high one last season, but it wasn't unfortunately and we suffered because of that.

I still feel that the draft plan wasn't a bad one. Glenn Coffee was taken 3 picks ahead of... we didn't get him, so we got Caldwell instead...

I also don't have a problem with getting Foster & Johnson undrafted, I agree with those who say they are as good as any back you could have got after coffee.

Slaton's fumble problem (which no one could have seen) the injuries to Brisel & Pitts so early (which no one could have seen) was more detrimental to our run game than not putting a higher priority on it in the draft.

If we didn't have the fumble problems with Slaton, Moats, & Brown, I'm sure we would have seen more from Foster.

Then every game since week 9 was "the most important game in team history" I can understand not sticking him in the game until we played Seattle & St Louis.....

redwhiteANDblue
02-16-2010, 04:46 PM
BTW, I thought there was an unwritten rule about using large pictures for signatures. We didn't want to become one of those boards where signatures fill an entire thread. Correct me if I'm wrong

Sorry bro I didn't know.

HOU-TEX
02-16-2010, 04:48 PM
Sorry bro I didn't know.

No worries, man. I'd put a nice frosty mug of beer in mine if it were allowed. :)

GP
02-16-2010, 04:55 PM
I still feel that the draft plan wasn't a bad one. Glenn Coffee was taken 3 picks ahead of... we didn't get him, so we got Caldwell instead...

I also don't have a problem with getting Foster & Johnson undrafted, I agree with those who say they are as good as any back you could have got after coffee.

Slaton's fumble problem (which no one could have seen) the injuries to Brisel & Pitts so early (which no one could have seen) was more detrimental to our run game than not putting a higher priority on it in the draft.

If we didn't have the fumble problems with Slaton, Moats, & Brown, I'm sure we would have seen more from Foster.

Then every game since week 9 was "the most important game in team history" I can understand not sticking him in the game until we played Seattle & St Louis.....

Look back at draft day threads on here, and you'll see that I was very vocal about us needing to take a drink of Coffee in round 2. When he was still there in the 3rd, I was mad as hail.

We should have picked him in round 2. Or package some sort of deal that moved us up to the very first part of round 3 to get him.

I had forgotten this little bit of "revisionist" draft history until you brought it up. Coffee runs hard, he's largely an up-the-field type of running back from what I had seen in his college years. He could have been a great fit.

And I did not buy, and to this very day I do not buy, the P.R. answer that Smithiak gave about how they had targeted Coffee but he was just gone before he could get him. I'd be pissed, if I were Coffee, at that sort of remark because it indicates we thought he was 3rd round material.

He wasn't first round stuff, but the 2nd round would have been fair value for him. Anybody disagree, considering we could have had him if we had dialed it up in the 2nd round? I mean, if RB is such a high priority for the Texas and all.

The only small'ish RB I like in this draft is McCluster. I got a ManCrusher for McCluster. He fit in at Ole Miss because all he did was make people Miss. He will be an instant impact player for someone. Guarantee it.

m5kwatts
02-16-2010, 05:28 PM
Hate to bring this up but he fumbled a lot in college too, this isn't something new for him. Combine this with an injury and I think that you are just going to have to find a RB, and if you can find a stud in the draft that IMHO is what we need, with some good solid OL picks as well.

Or go trade for a good backup, I wouldn't mind picking up the Glen Coffee from the 49ers as well.. if we aren't going to spend a draft pick go out and get someone.

Well I was referring to the unit, Moats fumbled too and Foster took himself out of the Rams game by fumbling. Slaton's fumbling appears to be more than just chance though considering this history.

thunderkyss
02-16-2010, 06:15 PM
I had forgotten this little bit of "revisionist" draft history until you brought it up. Coffee runs hard, he's largely an up-the-field type of running back from what I had seen in his college years. He could have been a great fit.

It's not revisionist history to say he almost fell to us in the 3rd. Since he didn't we tried to improve our interior offensive line.

And I did not buy, and to this very day I do not buy, the P.R. answer that Smithiak gave about how they had targeted Coffee but he was just gone before he could get him. I'd be pissed, if I were Coffee, at that sort of remark because it indicates we thought he was 3rd round material.

But he was 3rd round material.

2 other running backs were taken off the board before he was.

I don't want to turn this into a huge argument..... your opinion is sound, just as sound as Kubiak's.

but we've seen nothing from Coffee's rookie season to make him clearly a better RB than Arian Foster, or Jeremiah Johnson. Plus we've got our future Center.

redwhiteANDblue
02-16-2010, 06:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDfvypWLokk


some footage of Arain Foster. Maybe we don't need to draft a RB in the early rounds if he plays like this!

m5kwatts
02-16-2010, 06:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDfvypWLokk


some footage of Arain Foster. Maybe we don't need to draft a RB in the early rounds if he plays like this!

I wish there was tape of his Dolphins and Patriots games. Dolphins has to be the most impressive given they were still going 100% to make the playoffs.

Texecutioner
02-16-2010, 07:28 PM
Look back at draft day threads on here, and you'll see that I was very vocal about us needing to take a drink of Coffee in round 2. When he was still there in the 3rd, I was mad as hail.

We should have picked him in round 2. Or package some sort of deal that moved us up to the very first part of round 3 to get him.

I had forgotten this little bit of "revisionist" draft history until you brought it up. Coffee runs hard, he's largely an up-the-field type of running back from what I had seen in his college years. He could have been a great fit.

And I did not buy, and to this very day I do not buy, the P.R. answer that Smithiak gave about how they had targeted Coffee but he was just gone before he could get him. I'd be pissed, if I were Coffee, at that sort of remark because it indicates we thought he was 3rd round material.

He wasn't first round stuff, but the 2nd round would have been fair value for him. Anybody disagree, considering we could have had him if we had dialed it up in the 2nd round? I mean, if RB is such a high priority for the Texas and all.

The only small'ish RB I like in this draft is McCluster. I got a ManCrusher for McCluster. He fit in at Ole Miss because all he did was make people Miss. He will be an instant impact player for someone. Guarantee it.

It's amazing at how many excuses I've heard in here about how we ignored the RB position again in last year's draft. I was very vocal about how angry I was that we didn't get one last season and yeah Coffee and Greene were two of the guys I wanted a lot. The RB position should have been what we went after in the 2nd round. Instead we went after another project player and then drafted two TE's after the 3rd round. It was ridiculous. I was told "oh don't worry, we got Johnson and Foster for free." SMithiak is a genius!!! Give me a freaking break. The running game's been a problem since Kubes came here. He's had one lucky season of a running game with Slaton rising from the ashes when they only expected him to be a 3rd down change of pace back.

Go out and get some guys that can be some work horses in the running game. Enough of this arrogance that it will just happen. Make it happen. Use the 2nd round pick one or get a few free agents, but find a guy who can run the ball for over a 1,000 yards this year dammit!

Texans_Chick
02-16-2010, 07:41 PM
FWIW, defensive end is seen as a more premium position than running back. Harder to find and pass pressure was (and is) a big need of the Texans.

A didja know that I learned this week. Even with limited snaps, Connor Barwin had the highest number of sacks of any rookie DE in the league. I did not know that.

I am guessing that running back will be a higher priority this year.

thunderkyss
02-16-2010, 08:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDfvypWLokk


some footage of Arain Foster. Maybe we don't need to draft a RB in the early rounds if he plays like this!

It's just me, but if you have to use the word "maybe" then you need to draft a running back, if you're serious about taking that next step.

Texecutioner
02-16-2010, 08:10 PM
FWIW, defensive end is seen as a more premium position than running back. Harder to find and pass pressure was (and is) a big need of the Texans.

A didja know that I learned this week. Even with limited snaps, Connor Barwin had the highest number of sacks of any rookie DE in the league. I did not know that.

I am guessing that running back will be a higher priority this year.

I liked Barwin and wish he would have been used more. We needed a back though really bad and that hurt us a lot this season. My biggest worry before last year was Slaton getting hurt and needing some time off from so many snaps. You've got to have a good running game in this offense. We weren't and still aren't in a position to be drafting project players though. We nee to be targeting players who can contribute now and this season.

thunderkyss
02-16-2010, 08:48 PM
It's amazing at how many excuses I've heard in here about how we ignored the RB position again in last year's draft.

dammit!

It's amazing how you throw around the "excuses" when someone has a differing opinion.

Even this year, you've got guys saying, "if they don't take a running back, they should improve the OL"

That's exactly what we did in the third last year. You can go back and look at the draft rankings from last year.... scout.com's (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2009&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=11) in particular. They've got Jeremiah Johnson, Arian Foster, and a whole slew of RBs that went undrafted graded similarly to Green and Coffee.

If you go by their performance in the NFL, doesn't look like much difference between Coffee and Foster.

I don't know what Smith & Kubiak were thinking, but their argument seems at least plausible.

& if we're going to believe him everytime he says, "that's on me" then we should believe him when he says this was their plan.

Texecutioner
02-16-2010, 09:10 PM
It's amazing how you throw around the "excuses" when someone has a differing opinion.

Uuumm no. You won't hold the Texans management accountable for anything. It's like it will hurt your soul to admit that Kubes of Smith didn't do what was smart. Our running game has struggled since Kubes has been here. SOrry, but that's a fact. No amounts of spinning and excuses will change that. We got lucky that one year where Slaton jumped up and took over and that improved the offense a lot. And that was exactly why I and a few others stated several times before the draft that the RB position was still a very important position to address. That was my opinion then and I was very firm on that. I was shocked when we didn't do anything to address it. So when we didn't do anything I heard this same BS from you at the time. Oh it will be okay, it will be alright, In Kubes we trust, we got RB's without having to draft them, yada yada yada. Then what happened?? Our running game was horrible this season, so don't sit here and tell me that these aren't excuses with a straight face, because that's exactly what they are. You act as if it's your life goal to defend every decision that Kubes and Smith do I swear. Every coach and GM makes mistakes dude. Bill Billicheck does even. It's okay to criticize an organization for making a mistake.


That's exactly what we did in the third last year. You can go back and look at the draft rankings from last year.... scout.com's (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2009&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=11) in particular. They've got Jeremiah Johnson, Arian Foster, and a whole slew of RBs that went undrafted graded similarly to Green and Coffee.

I don't think you watched Coffee or Greene this year to say that. Foster didn't hardly play to be able to grade him hardly. And if you think Foster was so great, then you should be all over the HC for not letting him play until the end of the season. And Greene?? You have got to be kidding me? The guy was awarded the best RB in college and bruised his way into tons of yards. He looked like a great pro back in the making. We needed a back period. Slaton was not going to be enough. If Kubes thought he was, then it's just another reason why he shouldn't be a HC of any NFL team. Our running game stunk for two years before last season, and you don't just gamble with one back on your roster like that these days. But Kubiak clearly didn't see RB as a need. He felt perfectly fine with Chris Brown and that was a huge issue and it kept us out of the playoffs. If you want to run an offense with the play action you need to have a running game as a threat. This team needs to go heavy as hell on RB's. That's an issue that hasn't gone away in 4 ****ing years now.

beerlover
02-16-2010, 09:18 PM
If the Texans where as passionate as its fan base in improving the running game we would have no worries about this anymore. Turn it over to me & my draft buddies & we'll fix it for ya :specnatz:

thunderkyss
02-16-2010, 09:53 PM
Uuumm no. You won't hold the Texans management accountable for anything. It's like it will hurt your soul to admit that Kubes of Smith didn't do what was smart.

Ummmm.... I've criticized Kubiak plenty enough.

Our running game has struggled since Kubes has been here. SOrry, but that's a fact. No amounts of spinning and excuses will change that.

& so was our pass rush.... I said it earlier, that I was pleased that the Texans boldly attempted to fix our defense... new DC, new DL coach, Antonio Smith, Cushing, Barwin.. Personally, I think it paid off. we went from 30 to 13 on defense.

That was my opinion then and I was very firm on that. I was shocked when we didn't do anything to address it. So when we didn't do anything I heard this same BS from you at the time. Oh it will be okay, it will be alright, In Kubes we trust, we got RB's without having to draft them, yada yada yada. Then what happened?? Our running game was horrible this season, so don't sit here and tell me that these aren't excuses with a straight face, because that's exactly what they are.

I seriously doubt that I was the one telling you everything is going to be okay. I've been very forward about my lack of knowledge of college players, and I generally don't get too involved with individual picks. I'll talk about positions of need, but I don't know Ndamakun Sue from Jimmy Clausen.

All I'm saying here, is if Kubiak said that was his plan (& I didn't hear it myself, someone else said that was his story).... he graded Coffe & Green to go in the third.... they didn't fall, they went OL... why is that so hard to believe.

You're saying we didn't address the running back situation, we picked up two RBs that Scout.com graded higher than Glen Coffee.



You act as if it's your life goal to defend every decision that Kubes and Smith do I swear. Every coach and GM makes mistakes dude. Bill Billicheck does even. It's okay to criticize an organization for making a mistake.

All I said was that his plan... was a decent plan. He wanted Coffee, Coffee didn't fall, he went interior OL.... While our running game was in shambles, and needed attention.... our pass rush/defense was worse.

I don't think you watched Coffee or Greene this year to say that. Foster didn't hardly play to be able to grade him hardly.

I saw as much of Coffee as I had seen of Foster.... that statement had nothing to do with Greene.
He looked like a great pro back in the making. We needed a back period. Slaton was not going to be enough.

Again, we picked up two guys undrafted that were graded higher than Coffee by Scout.com

If Kubes thought he was, then it's just another reason why he shouldn't be a HC of any NFL team. Our running game stunk for two years before last season, and you don't just gamble with one back on your roster like that these days. But Kubiak clearly didn't see RB as a need. He felt perfectly fine with Chris Brown and that was a huge issue and it kept us out of the playoffs. If you want to run an offense with the play action you need to have a running game as a threat. This team needs to go heavy as hell on RB's. That's an issue that hasn't gone away in 4 ****ing years now.

First, Kubiak has to fix the defense, just like he has to fix the running game. I'm not going to pretend to know why he picked the players he picked when he picked them. Maybe he thought there wasn't another pure pass rusher comparable to Connor Barwin that would be available later in the draft. Maybe he decided DE was a bigger need that RB. Maybe he thought there wasn't a big enough difference between any of the RBs left on the board, after Beanie Wells was picked...

But we wasted no time to pick up 2 FA RBs, & one he signed to a contract right away (Foster). So technically, he didn't ignore the position, he just didn't fill it the way you wanted him to.

And our play action seemed to work pretty well, all year long to the tune of 4,770 yards.

Tailgate
02-23-2010, 01:31 PM
Houston: Can Steve Slaton bounce back?

Steve Slaton's rookie season was the stuff dreams are made of. His 1,282 rushing yards set a Texans franchise record and led all first-year players in 2008. Those dreams turned to nightmares in 2009, though, as Slaton rushed for just 437 yards and 3.3 yards per carry. He also fumbled five times in just 131 carries. (Adrian Peterson led all running backs with six fumbles, but he also carried the ball 314 times). Slaton was finally placed on Injured Reserve after Week 12 with a neck injury.

Slaton was even worse by Football Outsiders' advanced metrics, finishing last in the league in all three statistics we use to evaluate running backs: DVOA (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average, which measures value on a per-carry basis), DYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement, which measures total value), and Success Rate (which measures how often a runner gains meaningful yardage). Although his speed and open-field ability made him a very effective receiver (he finished third among running backs in receiving DVOA, and second in receiving DYAR), Slaton was pretty clearly the most impotent ground threat in football in 2009.

And the problem wasn't the Texans' offensive line, it was definitely Slaton; his teammate Ryan Moats ranked second in the NFL in Success Rate, and Arian Foster would have finished second in the league in DVOA if he had carried the ball often enough to qualify.

Then came word that Slaton underwent neck surgery in January. Slaton called the procedure a "cervical fusion," while Texans coach Gary Kubiak used the term "discectomy." Regardless, the procedure performed by Dallas surgeon Drew Dossett was to relieve pressure on the nerve root of the spine. In a chat on the Texans' Web site, Slaton suggested that he had been hurt all season: "You always have aches and pains as a player," he wrote, "but this got progressively worse." He specifically blamed the injury for his fumbles, saying his right side had been weaker than his left.

Though Slaton is claiming he'll be stronger than ever by the draft, there's no guarantee he'll ever return to his rookie form. Our own injury expert Will Carroll could think of only one player who has returned a year after a similar procedure: Brad Johnson, a quarterback who played 11 more seasons and won a Super Bowl after suffering a herniated cervical disk in 1997. As a running back, however, Slaton will be subjected to more of a pounding than Johnson was. Slaton is wading into largely uncharted waters.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/four-downs/2010/four-downs-afc-south

awtysst
02-23-2010, 10:28 PM
If the Texans where as passionate as its fan base in improving the running game we would have no worries about this anymore. Turn it over to me & my draft buddies & we'll fix it for ya :specnatz:

Beerlover,
How cool would it be if the Texans said to the hardcore mockers on here, "Ok guys, we need you to research, mock, and make the picks for us this year"

I would actually add to your statement, turn over the draft to the hardcore mockers here and we will fix all the problems on the team!

steelbtexan
02-23-2010, 10:55 PM
Beerlover,
How cool would it be if the Texans said to the hardcore mockers on here, "Ok guys, we need you to research, mock, and make the picks for us this year"

I would actually add to your statement, turn over the draft to the hardcore mockers here and we will fix all the problems on the team!

I know the hardcore mockers could draft better than CC and losing Factory.

rush2112mn
02-24-2010, 02:50 AM
I am not giving up on Slaton yet....I think he just had some bad luck last year....hopefully, he will turn it around next year.......

threetoedpete
02-24-2010, 08:23 AM
I am not giving up on Slaton yet....I think he just had some bad luck last year....hopefully, he will turn it around next year.......

"luck" ? There were no holes. For sixteen of the eighteen weeks there were no holes.

and I'm not drinking the Charles Spencer kool-aid once again. Until he's locked and loaded and taking shots, he's an IR guy who hasn't been assigned there just yet. This club has a checkered history of painting a rosy picture in February and March only to march the coach out in front of the microphones in September when the IR list is announced. Then we get the Andy Griffith "Aw shucks, we didn't know. What a shame. Someone will have to step up. Missed it by this much." yada yada yada.

BigBull17
02-25-2010, 12:07 PM
FWIW, defensive end is seen as a more premium position than running back. Harder to find and pass pressure was (and is) a big need of the Texans.

A didja know that I learned this week. Even with limited snaps, Connor Barwin had the highest number of sacks of any rookie DE in the league. I did not know that.

I am guessing that running back will be a higher priority this year.

And you can't reach on guys. You don't take a RB in the 2nd you have a 3rd round grade in. Just not how to build a team, IMO.

barrett
02-25-2010, 05:51 PM
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