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beerlover
02-14-2010, 01:02 PM
This is something that will figure into all our Mock Drafts that we as fans have no control or knowledge over but will happen. The draft which is going prime time during the week, Thursday/Friday (will cost me vacation time) will be NFL football fans first taste of football since the Superbowl then not again until the pre-season. All this extra attention will add more pressure than ever for teams to impact rosters & create a buzz for their fan base. Also enhancing this years draft is a horde of underclassman trying to get in on possibly the last big pay day before a new barginning agreement can cap the rookie salaries. Making this the year to trade up & down depending on a teams needs (multiple/singular) for future considerations. Hence I expect Rick Smith & the Texans to be more aggressive from their past conservative approach.

Coveted prospects who could still be on the board around 20 who offer potential to pull big trade offers are IMO - C.J. Spiller, Dez Bryant, Sean Weatherspoon, Taylor Mays, Kyle Wilson, Patrick Robinson & Sergio Kindle to name a few. The idea would be to trade back not for future picks but for additional picks in this draft. If somehow the Texans could aquire an extra 2nd & 3rd giving Rick two picks in each rd. (without a 1st) I would give it serious consideration.

This could upgrade 4 positions w/new starters sooner rather than later. Kubiak needs to win now & become a legitimate playoff contender to satisfy this fan base that much we do know & the best way is to be aggressive in this years draft as I just don't see much depth to this years potential free agent market. Positions of importance are RB, FS, OL, CB, DL I know that's 5 but we're close. compare these two & tell me what you think?

1st - Kyle Wilson, CB
2nd -Toby Gerhart, RB
3rd - Mike Johnson, LG VS
2nd - Maurkice Pouncey, C
2nd - Toby Gerhart, RB
3rd - Donovan Warren, CB/FS
3rd - Linval Joseph, DT
OR
2nd - Maurkice Pouncey, C
2nd - Nate Allen, FS
3rd - Linval Joseph, DT
3rd - Ben Tate, RB

Corrosion
02-14-2010, 06:11 PM
You really think Gerhart is second round material ? I dont think I'd take him before the third.

awtysst
02-14-2010, 06:27 PM
This is something that will figure into all our Mock Drafts that we as fans have no control or knowledge over but will happen. The draft which is going prime time during the week, Thursday/Friday (will cost me vacation time) will be NFL football fans first taste of football since the Superbowl then not again until the pre-season. All this extra attention will add more pressure than ever for teams to impact rosters & create a buzz for their fan base. Also enhancing this years draft is a horde of underclassman trying to get in on possibly the last big pay day before a new barginning agreement can cap the rookie salaries. Making this the year to trade up & down depending on a teams needs (multiple/singular) for future considerations. Hence I expect Rick Smith & the Texans to be more aggressive from their past conservative approach.

Coveted prospects who could still be on the board around 20 who offer potential to pull big trade offers are IMO - C.J. Spiller, Dez Bryant, Sean Weatherspoon, Taylor Mays, Kyle Wilson, Patrick Robinson & Sergio Kindle to name a few. The idea would be to trade back not for future picks but for additional picks in this draft. If somehow the Texans could aquire an extra 2nd & 3rd giving Rick two picks in each rd. (without a 1st) I would give it serious consideration.

This could upgrade 4 positions w/new starters sooner rather than later. Kubiak needs to win now & become a legitimate playoff contender to satisfy this fan base that much we do know & the best way is to be aggressive in this years draft as I just don't see much depth to this years potential free agent market. Positions of importance are RB, FS, OL, CB, DL I know that's 5 but we're close. compare these two & tell me what you think?

1st - Kyle Wilson, CB
2nd -Toby Gerhart, RB
3rd - Mike Johnson, LG VS
2nd - Maurkice Pouncey, C
2nd - Toby Gerhart, RB
3rd - Donovan Warren, CB/FS
3rd - Linval Joseph, DT
OR
2nd - Maurkice Pouncey, C
2nd - Nate Allen, FS
3rd - Linval Joseph, DT
3rd - Ben Tate, RB


Now that's a great idea! Trading out of the first round completely in order to get additional second rounders. Positively brilliant!

Its almost as if someone suggested that very thought about a month ago. Now who was it? :thinking:
Hmm.
Could it be this guy: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69016
:shades:

Wolf6151
02-14-2010, 06:27 PM
You really think Gerhart is second round material ? I dont think I'd take him before the third.

You'll find that there are alot of guys with a man crush on Toby Gerhart on this site. I'm with you though, not before the 3rd round.

As for Beerlovers trade and mock scenario, if we trade completely out of the 1st round I want two 2nd round picks not a 2nd and 3rd. I've done the math with two 2nd round picks from New England and it works out really close. This would give us three 2nd round picks and one 3rd round pick. As for your draft scenarios, I like the last one best. All four of those guys (Pouncey, Allen, Joseph, and Tate) are potential starters for the Texans. Also I'd love to get Pouncey but he'll go early in the 2nd round and we'd have to trade up to get him. How bout this with three 2nd round picks.

2nd Maurkice Pouncey-C/OG
2nd Nate Allen-FS
2nd Perish Cox-CB
3rd Ben Tate-RB

Awtysst, we've all had this idea.

beerlover
02-14-2010, 07:26 PM
You'll find that there are alot of guys with a man crush on Toby Gerhart on this site. I'm with you though, not before the 3rd round.

As for Beerlovers trade and mock scenario, if we trade completely out of the 1st round I want two 2nd round picks not a 2nd and 3rd. I've done the math with two 2nd round picks from New England and it works out really close. This would give us three 2nd round picks and one 3rd round pick. As for your draft scenarios, I like the last one best. All four of those guys (Pouncey, Allen, Joseph, and Tate) are potential starters for the Texans. Also I'd love to get Pouncey but he'll go early in the 2nd round and we'd have to trade up to get him. How bout this with three 2nd round picks.

2nd Maurkice Pouncey-C/OG
2nd Nate Allen-FS
2nd Perish Cox-CB
3rd Ben Tate-RB

Awtysst, we've all had this idea.

of course, if the right player is there a franchise might trade two 2nd's but I'm being extra safe & realistic, since alot of teams could have the same agenda. here is a list of traded picks from last year carryover to this years draft, courtesy of http://www.gbnreport.com/trades.htm

2010

1st round

Denver has a #1 from Chicago (QB Jay Cutler)
Seattle has a #1 from Denver (2009 draft trade)
San Francisco has a #1 from Carolina (2009 draft trade)

2nd round

Kansas City has a #2 from Atlanta (TE Tony Gonzales)
New England has a #2 from Jacksonville (2009 draft trade)
New England has a #2 from Tennessee (2009 draft trade)
Tampa Bay has a #2 pick from Chicago (DE Gaines Adams)

3rd round

Philadelpha has a #3 from Seattle (2009 draft trade)
Washington forfeits its #3 pick (DE Jeremy Jarmon taken at 2009 supplemental draft)

Oakland has a #3 from New England (DE Derrick Burgess)
Cleveland has a conditional #3 from the Jets (WR Braylon Edwards; could escalate to a #2 depending on how many passes Edwards catches this fall)

4th round

Philadelphia has a conditional #4 from the NY Jets (CB Lito Shephard could escalate to as high as a #2 depending on PT)

5th round

Philadelphia has a #5 from New Orleans (2009 draft trade)
Detroit has a #5 from Denver (2009 draft trade)
New England has a #5 from Dallas through Denver (DE Derrick Burgess/DT LeKevin Smith)

Cleveland has a #5 from the Jets (WR Braylon Edwards)
Cleveland has a #5 from Tampa Bay (TE Kellen Winslow)

St. Louis has a #5 from Philadelphia (LB Will Witherspoon)
Kansas City has a #5 from Carolina (DT Tank Tyler)
Tampa Bay has a #5 pick from New England (TE Alex Smith)
Kansas City has a #5 pick from Miami (QB Tyler Thigpen)

6th round

Miami has a #6 from Washington (DE Jason Taylor)
Carolina has a #6 from Oakland (2009 draft trade)
Philadelphia has a #6 from Indianapolis (2009 draft trade)
Cleveland has a #6 pick from Carolina (DT Louis Leonard)
Buffalo from Philadelphia (OT Jason Peters).
Houston has a conditional 6th from San Diego (DT Travis Johnson; could escalate to a #5 depending on PT)

7th round

New England has a #7 from Philadelphia (WR Greg Lewis)
Miami has a #7 from Kansas City (2009 draft trade)
St. Louis has a #7 from Atlanta (CB Tye Hill)
Detroit has a #7 from NY Jets (QB Kevin O'Connell)
Tampa Bay has a #7 pick from Jacksonville (QB Luke McCown)
Other/conditional

Miami has an undisclosed pick from Kansas City (OGs Andy Alleman and Ikechuku Ndukwe)
Tampa Bay has a conditional late-round pick from Baltimore (DE Marquis Douglas)


Doubt we trade again with the Titans & I don't trust the Patriots so the logical choice for me would be Tampa Bay. Texans #20 worth 850 points. Tampa Bay 35th 550 + 67th 255 = 805 throw in a 5th if you want worth around 40-45 points & there you have it. A player who they may covet but too early to take #3 overall is Jason Pierre-Paul, DE if he's still on the board @ #20 make the call & see what they offer?

Wolf6151
02-14-2010, 09:41 PM
I was thinking about New Englands #44=460 pts., and #53=370 pts. for a total of 830 pts., very close to our #20=850 pts.. Of course I know that trades don't always go by the trade value chart but I can always hope for the best.

beerlover
02-14-2010, 10:01 PM
I was thinking about New Englands #44=460 pts., and #53=370 pts. for a total of 830 pts., very close to our #20=850 pts.. Of course I know that trades don't always go by the trade value chart but I can always hope for the best.

OK then who would be their target?

Wolf6151
02-15-2010, 12:32 AM
They could be targeting Brian Price as a 3-4 DE, Sean Weatherspoon-OLB, possibly Roloando McClain-ILB, Brandon Graham-3-4 rush LB, maybe Dez Bryant-WR, Jermaine Gresham-TE, etc... I'm just thinking that the Patriots are a good team who has holes on defense and would probably like to make a run at the Super Bowl sometime soon before Tom Brady retires and they're forced to start rebuilding.

TexansSeminole
02-15-2010, 12:52 AM
They could be targeting Brian Price as a 3-4 DE, Sean Weatherspoon-OLB, possibly Roloando McClain-ILB, Brandon Graham-3-4 rush LB, maybe Dez Bryant-WR, Jermaine Gresham-TE, etc... I'm just thinking that the Patriots are a good team who has holes on defense and would probably like to make a run at the Super Bowl sometime soon before Tom Brady retires and they're forced to start rebuilding.

The Patriots have a 1st rounder at 22. If we pick at 20, the Bengals are all that separate the two. The Patriots may want to do this in case they feel like someone may not make it past the Bengals, or if they want two 1st rounders.

I could see the Patriots looking at Dan Williams, Spikes, Sergio Kindle, Patrick Robinson, Brandon Graham, Kyle Wilson.

Corrosion
02-15-2010, 01:09 AM
I cant see the Pat's trading for an extra #1 - They tend to be a frugal franchise. I'd expect them to trade back for later picks rather than trading up and paying another player 1st round money.

beerlover
02-15-2010, 03:00 AM
They could be targeting Brian Price as a 3-4 DE, Sean Weatherspoon-OLB, possibly Roloando McClain-ILB, Brandon Graham-3-4 rush LB, maybe Dez Bryant-WR, Jermaine Gresham-TE, etc... I'm just thinking that the Patriots are a good team who has holes on defense and would probably like to make a run at the Super Bowl sometime soon before Tom Brady retires and they're forced to start rebuilding.

The Pats have the upper hand in terms of picks, they've been feeding off trading down with weaker teams for years. The Hoodie is too smart to mess with & needs to be avoided at all costs teams who trade with them wind up losers, aka Oakland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, yes even Dallas & Philadelphia. With the picks they have another run is already in the making, barring injurys again. That is why Tampa Bay would be a more agreeable trading partner, plus those picks are at the top of ea. rd. usually where you find great value.

beerlover
02-15-2010, 10:00 AM
I would also point out the options are more plentiful if you expand your search to teams besides those who have TWO 2nds to flip....what about a 2nd & 3rd combined with a current player like Hillis from Denver?

Denver's 2nd #45 = 450 + 3rd #80 = 190 (640) plus Hillis value + 3rd (190) = 830 points vs the Texans 20th 850. If that is who you really wanted (a little weak for my taste) or straight up for Brandon Marshall (who is worth #20 but doubt Texans would be interested?).

BigTimeTexanFan
02-15-2010, 10:12 AM
I heard this on the radio yesterday and it really made me think hard about it. Would you trade this years #2 and next years #2 to the Rams for Steven Jackson? Two #2's is hard to swallow, but Jackson would solve our runninback woes and and vault us into being a dominant offense.

HOU-TEX
02-15-2010, 10:37 AM
I heard this on the radio yesterday and it really made me think hard about it. Would you trade this years #2 and next years #2 to the Rams for Steven Jackson? Two #2's is hard to swallow, but Jackson would solve our runninback woes and and vault us into being a dominant offense.

In a word....No

Corrosion
02-15-2010, 11:06 AM
I heard this on the radio yesterday and it really made me think hard about it. Would you trade this years #2 and next years #2 to the Rams for Steven Jackson? Two #2's is hard to swallow, but Jackson would solve our runninback woes and and vault us into being a dominant offense.


In a word....No

Gotta agree with Hou-Tex here .... While it might have paid off in the case of Schaub - thats a different & more important position - RB has such a short shelf life - Two 2nd's is just too steep a price to pay.

And its not very often teams get value in for a player via trade in the NFL.

beerlover
02-15-2010, 12:33 PM
New England just doesn't need to trade up. I already have Richard Seymour's replacement #22 New England - Jared Odrick, 3-4 DE Penn State
Big frame to build, high motor can probably handle playing DE in 3-4


Then with three 2nd rd. picks they can address OLB (Alex Carrington) WR (Arrelious Benn) & OL (Vladimir Ducasse).

But I was really suprised last year when they passed on Connor Barwin too!

badboy
02-15-2010, 01:49 PM
New England just doesn't need to trade up. I already have Richard Seymour's replacement

Then with three 2nd rd. picks they can address OLB (Alex Carrington) WR (Arrelious Benn) & OL (Vladimir Ducasse).

But I was really suprised last year when they passed on Connor Barwin too!I agree that NE does not need a trade up. Draft too deep. I am looking at Dallas maybe, maybe interested in Taylor Mays at our pick. We hooked and reeled in Jerry once before on a QB, maybe we can do it again for a safety. Especially if we don't get greedy.

Hottoddie
02-15-2010, 02:20 PM
VS
2nd - Maurkice Pouncey, C
2nd - Toby Gerhart, RB
3rd - Donovan Warren, CB/FS
3rd - Linval Joseph, DT



I'll take option #2. I really like Warren & believe we can pick up Morgan Burnett (FS/SS) in the 4th. Burnett would give us a similar player to Pollard at FS with real good size. It'd be real nice to have some size at the safety positions & still be able to pick up a potential starting CB in the same draft.

Joseph should give us the DT we've been needing to push the pocket.

I like it. :D

badboy
02-15-2010, 02:30 PM
I'll take option #2. I really like Warren & believe we can pick up Morgan Burnett (FS/SS) in the 4th. Burnett would give us a similar player to Pollard at FS with real good size. It'd be real nice to have some size at the safety positions & still be able to pick up a potential starting CB in the same draft.

Joseph should give us the DT we've been needing to push the pocket.

I like it. :DCompare Robert Johnson Utah FS to Burnett.

Dutchrudder
02-15-2010, 05:18 PM
I agree that NE does not need a trade up. Draft too deep. I am looking at Dallas maybe, maybe interested in Taylor Mays at our pick. We hooked and reeled in Jerry once before on a QB, maybe we can do it again for a safety. Especially if we don't get greedy.

New England picked up a Strong Safety last year early in the second round (34 overall). I'm not sure how well he is doing, but I kind of doubt they would spend two high picks in two years on the safety position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Chung

WolverineFan
02-16-2010, 11:08 AM
This is something that will figure into all our Mock Drafts that we as fans have no control or knowledge over but will happen. The draft which is going prime time during the week, Thursday/Friday (will cost me vacation time) will be NFL football fans first taste of football since the Superbowl then not again until the pre-season. All this extra attention will add more pressure than ever for teams to impact rosters & create a buzz for their fan base. Also enhancing this years draft is a horde of underclassman trying to get in on possibly the last big pay day before a new barginning agreement can cap the rookie salaries. Making this the year to trade up & down depending on a teams needs (multiple/singular) for future considerations. Hence I expect Rick Smith & the Texans to be more aggressive from their past conservative approach.

Coveted prospects who could still be on the board around 20 who offer potential to pull big trade offers are IMO - C.J. Spiller, Dez Bryant, Sean Weatherspoon, Taylor Mays, Kyle Wilson, Patrick Robinson & Sergio Kindle to name a few. The idea would be to trade back not for future picks but for additional picks in this draft. If somehow the Texans could aquire an extra 2nd & 3rd giving Rick two picks in each rd. (without a 1st) I would give it serious consideration.

This could upgrade 4 positions w/new starters sooner rather than later. Kubiak needs to win now & become a legitimate playoff contender to satisfy this fan base that much we do know & the best way is to be aggressive in this years draft as I just don't see much depth to this years potential free agent market. Positions of importance are RB, FS, OL, CB, DL I know that's 5 but we're close. compare these two & tell me what you think?

1st - Kyle Wilson, CB
2nd -Toby Gerhart, RB
3rd - Mike Johnson, LG VS
2nd - Maurkice Pouncey, C
2nd - Toby Gerhart, RB
3rd - Donovan Warren, CB/FS
3rd - Linval Joseph, DT
OR
2nd - Maurkice Pouncey, C
2nd - Nate Allen, FS
3rd - Linval Joseph, DT
3rd - Ben Tate, RB

Toby Gerhart is not worth a 2nd round pick.

Mike Johnson will not last until the 3rd round. He is a mid-to-late 2nd round pick.

Donovan Warren will not last until the 3rd round. He will be gone in the first 40 picks.

beerlover
02-16-2010, 11:29 AM
Toby Gerhart is not worth a 2nd round pick.

Mike Johnson will not last until the 3rd round. He is a mid-to-late 2nd round pick.

Donovan Warren will not last until the 3rd round. He will be gone in the first 40 picks.

This option is rated more on team needs in prioity of order rather than purely based on talent alone, if that makes any sense. The main point to be taken is a trade with Tampa would return a top pick @ the beginning of each round so in essence the first 2nd pick could be 1st rd. talent as the first 3rd. 2nd rd. talent. This is why the group is tightly rated together returning extra value.

regarding Toby Gerhart, Lance Zierlein just posted this on his blog -

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2010_nfl_draft/

There seems to be a bit of a split on Stanford's Toby Gerhart. While nobody is blown away by him, I do think you will see some teams who prefer a more powerful inside runner take a look at him by the mid-to-late second round despite having a 3rd round grade on him. The thought is that while Gerhart has a limited ceiling, his floor is very safe and whoever drafts him should see a fairly consistent level of production

badboy
02-16-2010, 01:49 PM
Uh, what? I was talking about Dallas trading up to get Taylor Mays FS.

painekiller
02-17-2010, 03:16 AM
I heard this on the radio yesterday and it really made me think hard about it. Would you trade this years #2 and next years #2 to the Rams for Steven Jackson? Two #2's is hard to swallow, but Jackson would solve our runninback woes and and vault us into being a dominant offense.

No way. Jackson has way to many miles on him.

painekiller
02-17-2010, 01:26 PM
1st - Kyle Wilson, CB
2nd -Toby Gerhart, RB
3rd - Mike Johnson, LG VS
2nd - Maurkice Pouncey, C
2nd - Toby Gerhart, RB
3rd - Donovan Warren, CB/FS
3rd - Linval Joseph, DT
OR
2nd - Maurkice Pouncey, C
2nd - Nate Allen, FS
3rd - Linval Joseph, DT
3rd - Ben Tate, RB

1st - DT Dan Williams 6-3 305 Tenn
2nd- CB Perrish Cox 6-0 195 Oklahoma St
3rd - OG Mitch Petrus 6-3 315 Arkansas

or

2nd CB Dominique Franks 6-1 189 Oklahoma
2nd- CB Perrish Cox 6-0 195 Oklahoma St
3rd OG Mike Johnson 6-5 305 Alabama
3rd S Morgan Burnett 6-1 198 Georgia Tech

or

2nd OG Jon Asamoah 6-4 308 Illinois
2rd CB Donovan Warren 6-1 187 Michigan
3nd OG Mike Johnson 6-5 305 Alabama
3rd CB Amari Spievey 6-1 190 Iowa

Where my RB? How about James Starks 6-2 212 Buffalo in the 4th

badboy
02-17-2010, 01:44 PM
1st - DT Dan Williams 6-3 305 Tenn
2nd- CB Perrish Cox 6-0 195 Oklahoma St
3rd - OG Mitch Petrus 6-3 315 Arkansas

or

2nd CB Dominique Franks 6-1 189 Oklahoma
2nd- CB Perrish Cox 6-0 195 Oklahoma St
3rd OG Mike Johnson 6-5 305 Alabama
3rd S Morgan Burnett 6-1 198 Georgia Tech

or

2nd OG Jon Asamoah 6-4 308 Illinois
2rd CB Donovan Warren 6-1 187 Michigan
3nd OG Mike Johnson 6-5 305 Alabama
3rd CB Amari Spievey 6-1 190 Iowa

Where my RB? How about James Starks 6-2 212 Buffalo in the 4thDo you think Cox's discipline problems can ne straightened out?

bah007
02-17-2010, 02:42 PM
1st - DT Dan Williams 6-3 305 Tenn
2nd- CB Perrish Cox 6-0 195 Oklahoma St
3rd - OG Mitch Petrus 6-3 315 Arkansas

or

2nd CB Dominique Franks 6-1 189 Oklahoma
2nd- CB Perrish Cox 6-0 195 Oklahoma St
3rd OG Mike Johnson 6-5 305 Alabama
3rd S Morgan Burnett 6-1 198 Georgia Tech

or

2nd OG Jon Asamoah 6-4 308 Illinois
2rd CB Donovan Warren 6-1 187 Michigan
3nd OG Mike Johnson 6-5 305 Alabama
3rd CB Amari Spievey 6-1 190 Iowa

Where my RB? How about James Starks 6-2 212 Buffalo in the 4th

Isn't Starks coming off a pretty serious injury?

steelbtexan
02-17-2010, 04:46 PM
No way. Jackson has way to many miles on him.

Wasn't Jackson one of the league leaders in total yards gained?

He'got atleast 3/4 years left in him. I would do a trade for Jackson in a heartbeat. He's everything the Texans have been looking for in a RB since day 1 of this franchise.

PK Spievey is the CB I'm hoping is there in the 3rd. Do you like him?

I've got 1.Haden 2.Wilson 3. Ghee 4.Spievey 5.Cox 6.Franks

What are the chances of one of these guys being available in the 3rd?

painekiller
02-17-2010, 08:36 PM
Wasn't Jackson one of the league leaders in total yards gained?

He'got atleast 3/4 years left in him. I would do a trade for Jackson in a heartbeat. He's everything the Texans have been looking for in a RB since day 1 of this franchise.

PK Spievey is the CB I'm hoping is there in the 3rd. Do you like him?

I've got 1.Haden 2.Wilson 3. Ghee 4.Spievey 5.Cox 6.Franks

What are the chances of one of these guys being available in the 3rd?

I have Wilson, Cox, Warren, Ghee, Spivey, Franks, Arenas, and Thompson all pretty close to each other. The stop watch is going to change the final rankings of these guys. A group of them should slide.

I like the idea of trading down and gathering picks in the 2nd and 3rd round. That gives me a chance at two pretty good CBs and two interior offensive linemen.

Grab me two of the CBs off my list and add them to Glover Quinn and Brice McCain from last year and make Bennett, Molden and Reeves earn there playing time, not a bad group of young CBs.

This is going to be a deep draft for CBs.

painekiller
02-17-2010, 08:42 PM
Isn't Starks coming off a pretty serious injury?

Shoulder Surgery for a labral tear.

espn reported at the time of the injury (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4421472).

has a labral tear in his left shoulder. Gill said doctors told him Starks should make a full recovery after four to six months of rehabilitation.

painekiller
02-17-2010, 08:45 PM
Do you think Cox's discipline problems can ne straightened out?

Speeding and driving with a suspended license, a lot of young men make dumb decisions and if he interviews well, I would give him a shoot.

LonerATO
02-17-2010, 10:08 PM
New England just doesn't need to trade up. I already have Richard Seymour's replacement

Then with three 2nd rd. picks they can address OLB (Alex Carrington) WR (Arrelious Benn) & OL (Vladimir Ducasse).

But I was really suprised last year when they passed on Connor Barwin too!

Barwin might have been to raw of a prospect for the Hoodie to take in the 2nd and was going to try and get him in the 3rd instead. Pats last year needed a ton of secondary help and Im sure that they felt the pass rush wasnt as bad as they thought.

beerlover
02-18-2010, 06:43 AM
Barwin might have been to raw of a prospect for the Hoodie to take in the 2nd and was going to try and get him in the 3rd instead. Pats last year needed a ton of secondary help and Im sure that they felt the pass rush wasnt as bad as they thought.

Texans had him rated as first round talent. Just shows how different draft boards vary. Barwin looks like a natural 3-4 rush outside linebacker to me, if anything its more a reach to expect him to put his hand down & battle a tackle @ line of scrimmage but it was expected Texans would address pass rusher early. My draft grade for him would reflect this fit, early 2nd for 3-4 OLB & mid to late 2nd for a 4-3 DE.

I don't think about this that much, really. But the Texans do have some pieces to execute a 3-4 alingment Barwin being one, primarily in 3rd & long situations.

painekiller
02-18-2010, 11:13 AM
Not trying to be cute here, but McClain is saying in the Chron.com video blog that the Dunta has not been approached by the Texans for either a long term deal or to discuss the franchise tag. In John's opinion that signals that Texans are going to let Dunta go to the open market.

In the open market McClain believe the Redskins will pay Dunta to much money and he will be gone. Why is this important? Because if Dunta is allowed to leave, which I also believe is going to happen, we then need a top 60 pick to be a CB.

In beerlovers proposal of trading down, we can add not just one solid man to man CB but two CBs. This is a draft with a lot of good CBs that are falling into the 25-90 range. In the words of Al Davis, or some other old timer, you can never have to many CBs.

Ole Miss Texan
02-18-2010, 11:28 AM
I don't think about this that much, really. But the Texans do have some pieces to execute a 3-4 alingment Barwin being one, primarily in 3rd & long situations.
I totally agree. I'm not saying I want to switch to a 3-4 full time (I love the 4-3)... but if you have the personnel to legitimately run various schemes, your defense is significantly better because of it. For instance, if you lack depth in the secondary, all your doing in nickle/dime packages is have an extra body out there, thats it!

This is one reason why Dan Williams interests me if he makes it to #19/20. He would make it much easier for us to run a 3-4 on occasion, besides playing DT in our 4-3. More versatility or players that can play "multiple positions" or in "multiple schemes" really opens things up for Frank Bush and our Defense.

But hell, there's nothing like have some lock down corners. I'd love to see some offensive weapons, but with all the players and talent that could be available at CB, FS and DT... I'm hoping we address those positions early and often.

Trade down? I love trade downs. :) I think the best value for most of these guys that would help this team are late 1st to mid 2nd.

badboy
02-18-2010, 12:31 PM
Speeding and driving with a suspended license, a lot of young men make dumb decisions and if he interviews well, I would give him a shoot.I was referring to him being suspended for the Cotton Bowl game for missing curfew 2 different nights the week of preparing for the game. Plus the record shows his license was suspended for violations then he was arrested for driving after that anyway. http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=11023391

I can't find the other link I read some weeks ago that said he blatantly violated several traffic laws but finally a judge had enough and suspended him.

painekiller
02-18-2010, 05:31 PM
I was referring to him being suspended for the Cotton Bowl game for missing curfew 2 different nights the week of preparing for the game. Plus the record shows his license was suspended for violations then he was arrested for driving after that anyway. http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=11023391

I can't find the other link I read some weeks ago that said he blatantly violated several traffic laws but finally a judge had enough and suspended him.

Missed the curfew thing, again I would go to his coach and talk to him, and then to the young man, you can tell alot by the way the player owns up to the punishment in the interview.

badboy
02-19-2010, 03:03 PM
Missed the curfew thing, again I would go to his coach and talk to him, and then to the young man, you can tell alot by the way the player owns up to the punishment in the interview.I understand the talking to coach part but if a player misses curfew twice in the week before the Cotton Bowl, I think a red flag is waing that he might just miss a team meeting or a flight...not that in itself says he can't be a great player but does Kubiac want that? Remember the incident with Mario Williams speeding and McNair talking with him?

painekiller
02-20-2010, 12:12 PM
I understand the talking to coach part but if a player misses curfew twice in the week before the Cotton Bowl, I think a red flag is waing that he might just miss a team meeting or a flight...not that in itself says he can't be a great player but does Kubiac want that? Remember the incident with Mario Williams speeding and McNair talking with him?

Jacoby Jones is still here, not saying that you are wrong about Cox and I agree that is a flag, I am just saying sometimes 20 something young men do stupid things. And you can only tell about them from the men around them.

I heard Jacoby Superbowl week on the radio and he seemed to have grown, will he still screw up only time will tell, but he took ownership of his breaking the team rules and he understood "coach". He was one of the guys happy Kubiak is back with a new contract.