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Blake
02-12-2010, 12:43 PM
Just for fun. If all of these players were available at our pick in the first round, which would you choose?

Robinson has not been resigned.
Daniels and Ryans have been resigned.

Feel free to write in a selection.

Wolf6151
02-12-2010, 12:57 PM
Was this supposed to be a poll?

Blake
02-12-2010, 12:59 PM
Was this supposed to be a poll?

lol yeah. It took me a few minutes to create the poll. But it submits the new thread before I submit the poll.

BIG TORO
02-12-2010, 01:08 PM
I voted mike U!

HOU-TEX
02-12-2010, 01:30 PM
If Dunta does nor get re-signed or tagged, I see us going with CB Kyle Wilson. If Dunta's back this season I'd go with DT Dan Williams.

I chose Dan Williams in the poll because I think Dunta's back for at least this season.

Dutchrudder
02-12-2010, 01:33 PM
I went CB. Even if Dunta gets re-signed, we will need someone for the future.

bah007
02-12-2010, 01:33 PM
Gotta go DB if Dunta is let go.

Corrosion
02-12-2010, 01:38 PM
Until the Senior Bowl I would have said Mike Upati but he looked horrible there.

Fo me it comes down to two players - Dan Williams and Earl Thomas , in this scenerio Dunta hasnt been resigned and that would make me lean twards the DB. I dont think I would be upset with either player.

Blake
02-12-2010, 01:53 PM
I voted safety. I would rather fix the free safety position, and worry about my corner in round 2, where I could luck out and get someone like Perrish Cox, Franks, or Ghee.

badboy
02-12-2010, 02:06 PM
CB Kyle WIlson without or with DR. You do not allow this type CB get past you. I have a FS later that will train behind Eugene Wilson.

Wolf6151
02-12-2010, 02:42 PM
Dan Williams has the biggest value if he's available but Kyle Wilson fills a bigger need, especially if Dunta leaves.

Insideop
02-12-2010, 04:14 PM
Dan Williams has the biggest value if he's available but Kyle Wilson fills a bigger need, especially if Dunta leaves.

I voted for Williams, but if DR leaves I could go with Wilson. Right now it's a toss up with me between Williams, Thomas, and Wilson. Whoever is there at 19/20 is fine. But if DR leaves, I think Wilson becomes more of a priority.

JCTexan
02-12-2010, 04:23 PM
If Thomas is still there then I would take him. I would take Kyle Wilson, Dan Williams or Brian Price ahead of Mays though.

Texan4Ever
02-12-2010, 04:25 PM
Donovan Warren for me. With coaching and veteran support, I have high hopes for Warren and I expect him to be able to compete in this league and surpass the likes of Marlin Jackson and Leon Hall. I like his height, 6'1", and if he could gain some muscle and get up to 200-lbs we will no doubt have one of the best DBs in the draft.

http://blog.mlive.com/wolverinesfootball_impact/2008/08/large_082108donovan.jpg

steelbtexan
02-12-2010, 06:07 PM
I voted Dwyer

I think it will come down to Williams,Thomas and Dwyer. If all three are there the Texans should be able to trade down a litte and get one of these guys.

If Dwyer had been on last years team the Texans would've had the opportunity to win the Jax and Ariz games plus maybe he can throw a HB pass LOL.

Dwyer would have the most impact on this team more quickly. It will take Thomas and especially Williams longer to get adjusted to the speed of the NFL game.

threetoedpete
02-12-2010, 07:28 PM
Long shot he'll fall ...Iupati.

SteveSlaton20
02-15-2010, 10:53 AM
Gotta go with my boy Earl Thomas.

nero THE zero
02-15-2010, 11:53 AM
Iupati, without question. I'd then draft the best available between Dwyer, Matthews, and Dixon in the second.

mussop
02-16-2010, 04:43 AM
Quick, name one RB back currently on the roster you feel confident depending on next year to be a major contributor.

Foster or Moats? No thank you. Slaton? Are you confident enough in his come back and a later round pick to risk the season on them? We dont just need a starter we need depth too.

HOU-TEX
02-16-2010, 09:07 AM
Quick, name one RB back currently on the roster you feel confident depending on next year to be a major contributor.

Foster or Moats? No thank you. Slaton? Are you confident enough in his come back and a later round pick to risk the season on them? We dont just need a starter we need depth too.

So what's your point? You want a RB taken in the 1st? I'm pretty sure that won't be happening.

Honoring Earl 34
02-16-2010, 09:41 AM
So what's your point? You want a RB taken in the 1st? I'm pretty sure that won't be happening.

I think Spiller for sure maybe Dwyer depending how he runs are 1st round picks .

In the 2nd you can get Matthews , Best , Gerhart , Dixon , and someone that I've forgot .

After that you still have a host of folks including Blount .

HOU-TEX
02-16-2010, 09:45 AM
I think Spiller for sure maybe Dwyer depending how he runs are 1st round picks .

In the 2nd you can get Matthews , Best , Gerhart , Dixon , and someone that I've forgot .

After that you still have a host of folks including Blount .

I was referring to the possibility of the Texans taking a RB in the first round. I just don't see it happening.

Honoring Earl 34
02-16-2010, 09:51 AM
I was referring to the possibility of the Texans taking a RB in the first round. I just don't see it happening.

Nope ... that's probably not a bad thing either .

Is it me or is Peterson starting to feel all the hits after 3 years .

WolverineFan
02-16-2010, 10:06 AM
Iupati does not fit into the ZBS so I wouldn't waste a 1st on him. Especially with a guy like Mike Johnson available in the 2nd round. We also do not need to waste a 1st on a RB or WR. Dan Williams is a nice pick and if he's not available then Brian Price is okay. If Dunta leaves in FA then we need a CB, but CB is deep this year. If Thomas is available we need to take him. Weatherspoon is interesting. He would play WLB for us and in 2-3 years that would give us one of the best LB corps in the league. We have bigger needs though.

HOU-TEX
02-16-2010, 10:10 AM
Nope ... that's probably not a bad thing either .

Is it me or is Peterson starting to feel all the hits after 3 years .

I reckon he probably is, just like any RB would than runs the way he does. Maybe it's just me, but I think RB's can be had throughout the draft. Unless there's a "once in a lifetime RB", I'll pass on choosing one in the 1st.

Honoring Earl 34
02-16-2010, 10:17 AM
I reckon he probably is, just like any RB would than runs the way he does. Maybe it's just me, but I think RB's can be had throughout the draft. Unless there's a "once in a lifetime RB", I'll pass on choosing one in the 1st.

Once in a lifetime backs are a hit away from being a dime a dozen back and that's the problem . Priest Holmes looked like a once in a lifetime back running behind Roaf and Shields . That would be my preference , build a line , but I'm not sure that will happen yet .

Having said this , I hold Earl and Walter in high esteem because they really didn't have much around them at first . They still ran hard and gained yards even though the defense keyed solely on them .

BIG TORO
02-16-2010, 10:26 AM
Im surpised that many people didnt pick Mike Upati, he is awsome and we need to improve our OL.

steelbtexan
02-16-2010, 11:18 AM
Changed my mind

If Williams, Iupati and Dwyer are on the board at 20, I would pick Williams. He's going to be a stud.

I would also try to trade back into the bottom 1st rd or top of the 2nd and take Dwyer. I woud offer my 2nd and a 2011 third to move up and take Dwyer.

Rd.1 D.Williams
Rd2 Dwyer After moving up
Rd3 Spievey
Rd4 Petrus or Newhouse
Rd5 T.Skinner

Blake
02-16-2010, 11:34 AM
Looks like the safety position has a slight lead over corner back. I guess we can all agree the secondary needs some help. Followed by DT and RB.

steelbtexan
02-16-2010, 11:40 AM
Looks like the safety position has a slight lead over corner back. I guess we can all agree the secondary needs some help. Followed by DT and RB.

Until the Texans get a RB that can carry the ball 20 times, get the tough yards and doesn't fumble RB should be either no.1 or 2. IMHO

Dan B.
02-16-2010, 11:42 AM
voted safety but I don't want Mays.

Blake
02-16-2010, 11:59 AM
Until the Texans get a RB that can carry the ball 20 times, get the tough yards and doesn't fumble RB should be either no.1 or 2. IMHO

I dont mind that. I think we can get a really good RB in the 2nd or 3rd rounds to pair with Slaton and Foster next year.

Anthony Dixon
Ben Tate
Ryan Mathews
Charles Scott

Blake
02-16-2010, 12:01 PM
voted safety but I don't want Mays.

What does everyone dislike about Mays?

All SC does is produce NFL talent.
i think he will be good in the nfl with the proper coaching.

badboy
02-16-2010, 12:40 PM
Iupati does not fit into the ZBS so I wouldn't waste a 1st on him. Especially with a guy like Mike Johnson available in the 2nd round. We also do not need to waste a 1st on a RB or WR. Dan Williams is a nice pick and if he's not available then Brian Price is okay. If Dunta leaves in FA then we need a CB, but CB is deep this year. If Thomas is available we need to take him. Weatherspoon is interesting. He would play WLB for us and in 2-3 years that would give us one of the best LB corps in the league. We have bigger needs though.Iupati and Mike Johnson are pretty much same type of bull rush OGs and Iupati has quick feet. I agree that he is not best suited for our O. but neither is Johnson. Asamoah on the other hand :clap:

bah007
02-16-2010, 02:42 PM
Iupati and Mike Johnson are pretty much same type of bull rush OGs and Iupati has quick feet. I agree that he is not best suited for our O. but neither is Johnson. Asamoah on the other hand :clap:

I would be fine with Asamoah but I think Mike Johnson would work very well in our system.

They run the same thing at Bama and he didn't seem to have any trouble.

bah007
02-16-2010, 02:42 PM
What does everyone dislike about Mays?

All SC does is produce NFL talent.
i think he will be good in the nfl with the proper coaching.

I think Mays will do fine in the NFL. I just don't think it will be as a FS so I'm not interested in him.

bah007
02-16-2010, 02:44 PM
Until the Texans get a RB that can carry the ball 20 times, get the tough yards and doesn't fumble RB should be either no.1 or 2. IMHO

Last season only three backs averaged 20 carries per game over the entire 16 game season (Chris Johnson, Thomas Jones, and Steven Jackson).

The days where you need a 25 carry stud to be successful are over. It's great to have one but it is not essential.

Dan B.
02-16-2010, 03:22 PM
What does everyone dislike about Mays?

All SC does is produce NFL talent.
i think he will be good in the nfl with the proper coaching.

I think Mays will do fine in the NFL. I just don't think it will be as a FS so I'm not interested in him.

What he said. Next to Ed Reed Mays is a Pro Bowler. He can hit like a truck. Texans don't need a hitter though. We need a guy that can cover in space. Mays gets burned on coverage.

Ole Miss Texan
02-16-2010, 03:35 PM
My top 3 are Dan Williams, Kyle Wilson and Earl Thomas. I think I'd be happy if we got one of those guys with our 1st. I'm fully on board going with BPA. I just want true studs and playmakers. If the guy is an elite all pro, pro bowl type of player, I say take him. I'm really against a WR/RB in the 1st round... but if the guy is going to be a Chris Johnson or Andre Johnson type of player, we'd be nuts to pass that up (obviously its hard to predict). I'm saying if Kubiak/Smith think this player is a 95-99... top 10 talent. Watch out offense!!

Many people think the 1st and maybe the 2nd round are our only shots at getting quality starters. I think this draft is going to be deep enough at positions we really want that we'll find quality starters and contributors throughout. I can see us getting impact players at DT, CB, FS and RB. Don't think I forgot about OL though. I really do think we're going to get really solid guys much like 2006.

badboy
02-16-2010, 03:39 PM
I would be fine with Asamoah but I think Mike Johnson would work very well in our system.

They run the same thing at Bama and he didn't seem to have any trouble.You think Alabama runs a ZBS like ours?

badboy
02-16-2010, 03:51 PM
My top 3 are Dan Williams, Kyle Wilson and Earl Thomas. I think I'd be happy if we got one of those guys with our 1st. I'm fully on board going with BPA. I just want true studs and playmakers. If the guy is an elite all pro, pro bowl type of player, I say take him. I'm really against a WR/RB in the 1st round... but if the guy is going to be a Chris Johnson or Andre Johnson type of player, we'd be nuts to pass that up (obviously its hard to predict). I'm saying if Kubiak/Smith think this player is a 95-99... top 10 talent. Watch out offense!!

Many people think the 1st and maybe the 2nd round are our only shots at getting quality starters. I think this draft is going to be deep enough at positions we really want that we'll find quality starters and contributors throughout. I can see us getting impact players at DT, CB, FS and RB. Don't think I forgot about OL though. I really do think we're going to get really solid guys much like 2006.I agreed on the depth but aftter 3rd round most will not start until end of next season if then. Those are your depth rounds usually as you know but if we can get a starting CB,RB,OL or DT
in first 3 rounds, whoopee!

Ole Miss Texan
02-16-2010, 06:43 PM
I agreed on the depth but aftter 3rd round most will not start until end of next season if then. Those are your depth rounds usually as you know but if we can get a starting CB,RB,OL or DT
in first 3 rounds, whoopee!
True most won't start, but I think Kubiak & Smith have a pretty good chance of finding the ones who can.

Take a look at the 4th round on since Kubiak joined us.
-Owen Daniels - 4th round TE, pro bowl calibre
-David Anderson - 7th round WR, solid contributor
-Fred Bennett - 4th round CB, really good rookie year, faded fast
-Brandon Harrison - 5th round S, had lots of PT even as starter
-Kasey Studdard - 6th round OG, decent depth had to start this year due to injuries
-Zac Diles - 7th round LB, starting LB
-Xavier Adibi - 4th round LB, solid depth and decent PT
-Dominique Barber- 6th round S, tons of PT, starting experience
-Glover Quin -4th round CB, arguably best CB on the roster

Some/most of those guys can sure use an upgrade but we've witnessed late round picks maybe immediate impact on our team. I do think this team has gotten better each of the past 4 years but we still sure could use upgrading. Not to mention if we lose some players like Dunta and Walter... and Pitts, it really creates some opportunity for these young guys.

bah007
02-16-2010, 09:12 PM
You think Alabama runs a ZBS like ours?

I don't wanna say it is exactly like ours but when I watched Bama there looked to be a lot of similarities between how their o line is asked to block and what we ask our guys to do.

threetoedpete
02-16-2010, 10:34 PM
Im surpised that many people didnt pick Mike Upati, he is awsome and we need to improve our OL.


Well pearls before swine there BT. Until he's off the board Iupati makes the most sense to me. I can see the argument for the corner. I can see the argument for the free ranging safety. But taking a RB in the first round from a class generally regarded as low, makes no sense to me. I'd be more in favor of a move back and taking a shot at Pouncey. Fix the Gd o-line. Finally. And be done with it.

threetoedpete
02-16-2010, 10:44 PM
True most won't start, but I think Kubiak & Smith have a pretty good chance of finding the ones who can.


-Kasey Studdard - 6th round OG, decent depth had to start this year due to injuries


.

I think and I don't know how he graded out in the games, but as far as executing on down the field blocks and pass protection, Studard is more than just a back up. The guy is agile and mean. Don't want to break an original Texan's rice bowl. But I think if Pitts gets a big offer they are going with Studard at LG. Pitts walks. Just my guess.

steelbtexan
02-16-2010, 10:50 PM
Well pearls before swine there BT. Until he's off the board Iupati makes the most sense to me. I can see the argument for the corner. I can see the argument for the free ranging safety. But taking a RB in the first round from a class generally regarded as low, makes no sense to me. I'd be more in favor of a move back and taking a shot at Pouncey. Fix the Gd o-line. Finally. And be done with it.

My top 3 are D.Williams (I want to get a Tenn.DT Haynesworth and Henderson)

Dwyer finally a RB that can get short yardage and doesn't fumble

Iupati No problem with upgrading the OL, the reason I wouldn't go OL 1st is that Asamoah or Calloway should be there in the 3rd rd.

Calloway is an upgade who's comparable to Marshall Yanda with rhe Ravens.

mussop
02-17-2010, 05:33 AM
I don't wanna say it is exactly like ours but when I watched Bama there looked to be a lot of similarities between how their o line is asked to block and what we ask our guys to do.

They do run a ZB scheme.

BIG TORO
02-17-2010, 07:11 AM
Well pearls before swine there BT. Until he's off the board Iupati makes the most sense to me. I can see the argument for the corner. I can see the argument for the free ranging safety. But taking a RB in the first round from a class generally regarded as low, makes no sense to me. I'd be more in favor of a move back and taking a shot at Pouncey. Fix the Gd o-line. Finally. And be done with it.

Thats what I was thinking!

nero THE zero
02-17-2010, 11:56 AM
But taking a RB in the first round from a class generally regarded as low, makes no sense to me.
Define "generally regarded", there 3TP.

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2010/02/post_143.html
I spoke with a couple of NFL people familiar with this year's running back class who came away from their film study fairly impressed with this year's crop of running backs.

badboy
02-17-2010, 01:13 PM
I don't wanna say it is exactly like ours but when I watched Bama there looked to be a lot of similarities between how their o line is asked to block and what we ask our guys to do.I agree he is a great run blocker but not so sure on his pass blocking skills and we sure throw a bunch. Again, if Pitts is there, I'm ok with just about any OG behind him learning.

chicagotexan2
02-17-2010, 01:23 PM
I'd go with Pouncey. I am more desperate to fix and improve the running game than any other area.

threetoedpete
02-19-2010, 12:48 AM
Define "generally regarded", there 3TP.

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2010/02/post_143.html

sure just as soon as you explain how fairly impressed
meets the criteria of a great class.

barrett
02-19-2010, 12:57 AM
I went with Iupati but I figure he'll be gone by then.

nero THE zero
02-19-2010, 09:53 AM
sure just as soon as you explain how
meets the criteria of a great class.
Yes, except I never called this class great, nor did I ever make any sort of qualitative judgment on the quality of this RB class.

You did, however, make one that was baseless and, apparently, errant.

threetoedpete
02-19-2010, 12:10 PM
Yes, except I never called this class great, nor did I ever make any sort of qualitative judgment on the quality of this RB class.

You did, however, make one that was baseless and, apparently, errant.

Well i just dd I guess. Or you posting you believe this class to be with in shouting distance of the last two or three ? Inquiring minds wish to know. Do tell Nero ? Fire up the harp and cry me one.

2009 : Moreno, Wells, McCoy, Brown, Green, Coffee.

2008: Darren McFaddin, Stewart , Jones, Mendenhall, Chris Johnson, Forte ,Rice, Kevin Smith

2007: Ok I'll give you that one.....this class might be the equal of the class of 2007.
All Day Peterson, Lynch, Irons, Brandon Jackson.

2006: Reggie Bush, Lawrence Maroney, Williams , Addai, MJD-Pocket Hercules.

To me outside of a couple of guys it looks ho hum.

And maybe Spiller does fill the roll of Chris Johnson if he makes it to twenty. But the first thing he has to have is at least a crease to slip though. Wouldn't you agree ?

threetoedpete
02-19-2010, 12:30 PM
Yes, except I never called this class great, nor did I ever make any sort of qualitative judgment on the quality of this RB class.

You did, however, make one that was baseless and, apparently, errant.

You definitely made a quantitative judgment on my speculation. And the list is above. And the reason no one does this anymore....take RBs high, is everyone has figured out that platooning is cheaper in the long run than taking a stud and seeing how long he lasts. See Portis. Mcgahee. Ronnie Brown. Frank Gore.

And it will be a long while before you see a Rb go off in the top five once again. In other words that theory is pretty much a NFL consensus now.

I'll conceded twenty isn't high....for Spiller or Mathews. I'll also be on board if Spiller or Mathews is the pick. It is my opinion however that the Texas will see more service out of the guard, whether it's Iupati or the Poundster or Newhouse, than they will out of the, or any, first round runing back. JMHO

It is also my opinion that Iupati would push the o-line over the top and make them legitimate SB contenders. They should be able to block any defense in any scheme on any given Sunday.

Which would give them a rushing attack. And with that in their back pocket, Matt Schaub and A.J. have a chance to go out and chase the immortals next season: and the team ?... a SB ring.

Blake
02-19-2010, 12:57 PM
I think and I don't know how he graded out in the games, but as far as executing on down the field blocks and pass protection, Studard is more than just a back up. The guy is agile and mean. Don't want to break an original Texan's rice bowl. But I think if Pitts gets a big offer they are going with Studard at LG. Pitts walks. Just my guess.

I agree if Pitts gets a large contract offer the Texas are fine with handing it over to Kasey. I think he is a serviceable guard.

As far as ranking this draft class with the past 3, I think it is a mediocre class. Better than 2007 even with AP, but worse than 2009 and 2008.

I like the RB class as a whole. But their top tier prospects are lacking. Maybe 2 should go in the first round. Spiller and Dwyer. Everyone else is 2 down.

Blake
02-24-2010, 10:07 AM
Well we can basically ignore this thread cause with Dunta gone we are going to need a top notch corner via round 1.

Patrick Robinson
Perrish Cox
Donovan Warren
Kyle Wilson

One of these guys will be our first round selection.

TexCanada
02-24-2010, 10:25 AM
Well we can basically ignore this thread cause with Dunta gone we are going to need a top notch corner via round 1.

Patrick Robinson
Perrish Cox
Donovan Warren
Kyle Wilson

One of these guys will be our first round selection.

I've been on board with drafting a CB the whole time, but drafting a really solid NT like Williams will do just as much to fix the secondary as drafting one of these CBs will. Still can't rule out Earl Thomas either as many people are seeing him as a CB in the NFL.

steelbtexan
02-24-2010, 10:41 AM
Well i just dd I guess. Or you posting you believe this class to be with in shouting distance of the last two or three ? Inquiring minds wish to know. Do tell Nero ? Fire up the harp and cry me one.

2009 : Moreno, Wells, McCoy, Brown, Green, Coffee.

2008: Darren McFaddin, Stewart , Jones, Mendenhall, Chris Johnson, Forte ,Rice, Kevin Smith

2007: Ok I'll give you that one.....this class might be the equal of the class of 2007.
All Day Peterson, Lynch, Irons, Brandon Jackson.

2006: Reggie Bush, Lawrence Maroney, Williams , Addai, MJD-Pocket Hercules.

To me outside of a couple of guys it looks ho hum.

And maybe Spiller does fill the roll of Chris Johnson if he makes it to twenty. But the first thing he has to have is at least a crease to slip though. Wouldn't you agree ?

TTP

I really like Dwyer but since Dunta has walked this is what I would do.

Rd1 Wilson or best CB
Rd2 Mathews
Rd3 trade for Kuper
Rd4 Newhouse or Calloway from Iowa

threetoedpete
02-26-2010, 01:49 PM
I'd go with Pouncey. I am more desperate to fix and improve the running game than any other area.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/maurkice-pouncey?id=497042

Short arms. I bet he'll lift 225 many times.

Iupati:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mike--iupati?id=497016

My night mare now is that the titans will take Iupati with the sixteen.

threetoedpete
02-26-2010, 02:25 PM
TTP

I really like Dwyer but since Dunta has walked this is what I would do.

Rd1 Wilson or best CB
Rd2 Mathews
Rd3 trade for Kuper
Rd4 Newhouse or Calloway from Iowa

If Newhouse is close to 5.2 and does the three cone drill well, which I believe he will, I don't believe he makes it into the forth round. From what I'm reading about the OLTs, the high end guys all have warts. Baluga's arms are too short for OLT. He is just like Erick Winston. He's destined to go inside or RT. Yet there are still those posting Baluga in the first round, top fifteen. We'll see. Got another top guy gone through two operations...all these little things add up. I just read that Tampa put a very high tag on their young left tackle. (In the combine news section)
http://www.nfl.com/combine/news

Could be they, Tampa have targeted a defensive guy at three, i.e. hold their nose as they send up the card and hope he's not a bust. Detroit is shopping the two...tells me folks are sniffing and they don't like the value in the top five. Since they are slotted salary wise, whether you get Warren Sapp or Amobi Okoye....still got to pay the same money.

As the top guys get pushed down because of warts, that will push the second tier guys, Like Newhouse up. I mean who would you rather have inside at guard Bulaga or Newhouse ? They haven't played top tiered talent guys Like the kid from Hillsdale will get pushed up. The need hasn't gone anywhere. It comes down to do you gamble you can get a raw kid coached up by September or are you going to spend money on short arms or a bad injury history and hope for the best ? It's an art not a science.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/marshall-newhouse?id=497030
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/bryan-bulaga?id=496988