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Texans34Life
02-12-2010, 01:41 AM
More from the General... :wild:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6863543.html

Kubiak wants team to be better in ground game

Running back is a priority going into the draft. If the Texans select a back in the first or second round, they could end up with a player like Clemson's C.J. Spiller, California's Jahvid Best, Georgia Tech's Jonathan Dwyer, Mississippi State's Anthony Dixon or Fresno State's Ryan Matthews.

“We're going to find a way to get better,” Kubiak said. “It wasn't good enough last season.”

Adding LT not likely

After learning their lesson with Ahman Green, the Texans' philosophy isn't to go after veterans at any position who are on their last legs, so to speak. That would rule out backs such as LaDainian Tomlinson and Thomas Jones.

“When you sign one of these players,” McNair said about veterans looking for one last big contract, “they've gone through their prime. They might be beyond their peak at the time their contract expires, and they're available.

“You run the risk of paying them more than anyone else. That's the only reason you got them, and they've started going downhill. So you've tied up a lot of your dollars in a player that's not going to be as productive. Typically, we'll look at good, solid players who offer a better value than the guy that has been the star player.”

For more, click on the link.

beerlover
02-12-2010, 06:01 AM
RB on Texans draft wish list? who would have known :rolleyes: simply amazing insight from Chronic McClain. Well just in case you thinking wtf :sarcasm:

bckey
02-12-2010, 07:23 AM
Houston has an owner, gm and coach(s) all inexperienced and trying to learn from their mistakes. Sometimes repeated mistakes. I like Bob McNair but he is completely football stupid and has cost his team with some dumb decisions. Bob got emotional with David Carr and kept him too long. Same with Capers. Then he announced immediately after the Patriots game that Kubiak would be back. Once again emotions dictating his decision. I don't think he made his money in business this way so I have to think he handles football differently because it is totally foreign to him. The rest of the first timers under him aren't football stupid they just are learning as they go.

OzzO
02-12-2010, 08:18 AM
brusing RB and shoring up the Oline (still) would be a good place to start.

BIG TORO
02-12-2010, 08:28 AM
I thought that was kind of understood that RB was a priority?

dc_txtech
02-12-2010, 08:39 AM
I thought that was kind of understood that RB was a priority?

Refer to post #2.

Yankee_In_TX
02-12-2010, 08:42 AM
RB on Texans draft wish list? who would have known :rolleyes: simply amazing insight from Chronic McClain. Well just in case you thinking wtf :sarcasm:

Each time someone posts an article title - I think wow, just when I thought he had made the most general and obvious statement about the Texans he tops himself.

We should have a predict his next article or mock article titles thread :kitten:

Scooter
02-12-2010, 08:45 AM
this just in from 2009 ... the texans are interested in upgrading the runningback position with a "first day" draft pick if near bpa. :truck:

Thorn
02-12-2010, 08:45 AM
Each time someone posts an article title - I think wow, just when I thought he had made the most general and obvious statement about the Texans he tops himself.

We should have a predict his next article or mock article titles thread :kitten:

Actually, that's a pretty good idea. LOL

BIG TORO
02-12-2010, 08:48 AM
Refer to post #2.

Ohh sarcasm! riiiighhhhtttttt!

b0ng
02-12-2010, 08:58 AM
Each time someone posts an article title - I think wow, just when I thought he had made the most general and obvious statement about the Texans he tops himself.

We should have a predict his next article or mock article titles thread :kitten:

It's pretty much a guarantee at this point that we will read an article stating that the Texans need help in the secondary and Robinson might not be a Texan this season.

Scooter
02-12-2010, 09:01 AM
edit

Goatcheese
02-12-2010, 09:45 AM
We should have a predict his next article or mock article titles thread :kitten:

"Texans to select players with their picks in this years draft."

HuttoKarl
02-12-2010, 10:14 AM
RB on Texans draft wish list? who would have known :rolleyes: simply amazing insight from Chronic McClain. Well just in case you thinking wtf :sarcasm:

I love how he listed about half of the RB's in the draft! :ahhaha:

steelbtexan
02-12-2010, 11:22 AM
RB on Texans draft wish list? who would have known :rolleyes: simply amazing insight from Chronic McClain. Well just in case you thinking wtf :sarcasm:

Headline

The Texan aren't going to be maor players in FA.

McNair says that the team will continue to build through the draft until 2020. Then consider trading a 40 yr old Andre Johnson for a 7th rd draft pick.

John McLame

Blake
02-12-2010, 11:25 AM
John McClain special: Texans will start looking at FA players on March 5th when free agency begins.

John McClain Insider Scoop! This will affect how the Texans draft in the first 2 rounds!

eriadoc
02-12-2010, 11:47 AM
Am I the only one hoping for Gerhart?

BigBull17
02-12-2010, 12:21 PM
Am I the only one hoping for Gerhart?

I would be ok with him. I just would rather get a guy like Spiller, Dwyer, or Mathews from Fresno.

False Start
02-12-2010, 01:18 PM
Am I the only one hoping for Gerhart?

Nope, I'm with ya.

McClain's next piece will be "Texans Hope to Improve on 2009 Season" :ahhaha:

IlliniJen
02-12-2010, 01:36 PM
John McClain, Capt'n Obvious

http://i45.tinypic.com/s15nrd.jpg

bah007
02-12-2010, 01:40 PM
Am I the only one hoping for Gerhart?

Wouldn't complain if we got Gerhart but I would much prefer Mathews or Tate.

Wolf6151
02-12-2010, 01:49 PM
WOW, it's a good thing we've got McClain around to give us his insightful reporting on the incredibly obvious.

disaacks3
02-12-2010, 03:46 PM
Next from McLame....

"Texans hope to avoid key injuries in 2010 season"

"Texans hope to increase production from DT position"

"Texans seek quality depth for O-Line"

"Texans sights set on playoff run in 2010"

"McNair states Texans are still a great value despite latest ticket hike"

"Texans hope to find key contributor in 2010 draft class"

badboy
02-12-2010, 03:55 PM
Houston has an owner, gm and coach(s) all inexperienced and trying to learn from their mistakes. Sometimes repeated mistakes. I like Bob McNair but he is completely football stupid and has cost his team with some dumb decisions. Bob got emotional with David Carr and kept him too long. Same with Capers. Then he announced immediately after the Patriots game that Kubiak would be back. Once again emotions dictating his decision. I don't think he made his money in business this way so I have to think he handles football differently because it is totally foreign to him. The rest of the first timers under him aren't football stupid they just are learning as they go.You mean like the owner that allowed Pollard to get away to us? Is it possible that McNair thinks he made a good business decision at the time based on the evidence he had? He could easily say you are too emotionally caught up in being a fan and what you think is right for the team.:chef:

threetoedpete
02-12-2010, 09:42 PM
brusing RB and shoring up the Oline (still) would be a good place to start.

If the Texans select a back in the first or second round,


That there thing was not a Kubes quote. That there thingy was a McClain speculation. Their history so far, well that's quite another thing. I think it's much more likely we'll see Lonyea Miller instead of Ryan Mathews or LeGarret
Blount or Joseph Turner instead of Gerheart or Dywer. It's just what they do.

PHAROAH
02-15-2010, 05:35 AM
We all know that either spiller or Best will be with the texans in the zone blocking scheme they are perfect fits to what we do.

El Tejano
02-15-2010, 08:37 AM
We all know that either spiller or Best will be with the texans in the zone blocking scheme they are perfect fits to what we do.

I don't like going with these smaller guys.

eriadoc
02-16-2010, 01:00 PM
Gerhart is my first choice. I think he'll be there in the 2nd round, but gone by our pick in the 3rd, so I'd target him in the 2nd round and never look back.

I don't like going with these smaller guys.

We already have our smaller guys, now I want a guy like Gerhart. I'm probably in the minority, but I think he'll be better than guys like Spiller. His game translates to the NFL better.

BullNation4Life
02-16-2010, 01:33 PM
Just spitballin here, I say trade for Michael Bush out of Oakland. Offer Oakland a 2nd round pick for Bush, who goes 6'1 245lbs, problem solved...


Now you have in no particular order...

Slaton
Bush
Foster

that should improve the backfield drastically, no? I would give up a 2nd round pick for a 25 year old, 2 year vet rather take a chance on a rookie that "might" see the field in 2010...

Or even look to trade for Le'Ron McClain, you want a brusier, there are 2 right there for you. Both guys are being used as fullbacks right now. Imagine looking at Leech AND Bush or McClain coming through a hole....Um no sir!

JB
02-16-2010, 01:39 PM
Just spitballin here, I say trade for Michael Bush out of Oakland. Offer Oakland a 2nd round pick for Bush, who goes 6'1 245lbs, problem solved...


Now you have in no particular order...

Slaton
Bush
Foster

that should improve the backfield drastically, no? I would give up a 2nd round pick for a 25 year old, 2 year vet rather take a chance on a rookie that "might" see the field in 2010...

Or even look to trade for Le'Ron McClain, you want a brusier, there are 2 right there for you...

And Oakland or Balt. would want do that...why?

BullNation4Life
02-16-2010, 01:47 PM
And Oakland or Balt. would want do that...why?

because every team covets picks, right? If you called Oakland right now and offered this years 2nd for Bush considering he was a 4th round pick, bet ol Uncle Al's ears might perk up a bit, maybe even Baltimore's might as well on Mcclain, who was also a 4th round pick. What ever it took, make it appealing to them. Either one of those backs are better than anything you are going to get as a rookie, and are exactly what you are looking for.

Bush won't start over Fargas or McFadden, especially McFadden, he makes too much.

Both teams have an abundance of backs as it stand and both are being used as FBs, so are they really being used effectively in either teams offense?

It is all about how you sell it to either team....

If I offered you a 2nd round pick on a back that you hardly use and took in the 4th, you wouldn't take that offer?

badboy
02-16-2010, 02:18 PM
because every team covets picks, right? If you called Oakland right now and offered this years 2nd for Bush considering he was a 4th round pick, bet ol Uncle Al's ears might perk up a bit, maybe even Baltimore's might as well on Mcclain, who was also a 4th round pick. What ever it took, make it appealing to them. Either one of those backs are better than anything you are going to get as a rookie, and are exactly what you are looking for.

Bush won't start over Fargas or McFadden, especially McFadden, he makes too much.

Both teams have an abundance of backs as it stand and both are being used as FBs, so are they really being used effectively in either teams offense?

It is all about how you sell it to either team....

If I offered you a 2nd round pick on a back that you hardly use and took in the 4th, you wouldn't take that offer?I would rather have a Dwyer, Bush or Mathews fresher legs in my O. than Bush.

JB
02-16-2010, 02:21 PM
I would rather have a Dwyer, Tate or Mathews fresher legs in my O. than Bush.

fixed it for ya!

BullNation4Life
02-16-2010, 02:25 PM
I would rather have a Dwyer, Bush or Mathews fresher legs in my O. than Bush.

Fresh legs? Bush and McClain are 25 years old. Only been in the league 2 years, and have experience. Bush has a total of 218 career carries, McClain 286. I'd say those are some pretty fresh legs and they come with NFL experience....

Would take that over a rookie who has never carried the ball in the NFL any day of the week, twice on Sunday....

JB
02-16-2010, 02:28 PM
because every team covets picks, right? If you called Oakland right now and offered this years 2nd for Bush considering he was a 4th round pick, bet ol Uncle Al's ears might perk up a bit, maybe even Baltimore's might as well on Mcclain, who was also a 4th round pick. What ever it took, make it appealing to them. Either one of those backs are better than anything you are going to get as a rookie, and are exactly what you are looking for.

Bush won't start over Fargas or McFadden, especially McFadden, he makes too much.

Both teams have an abundance of backs as it stand and both are being used as FBs, so are they really being used effectively in either teams offense?

It is all about how you sell it to either team....

If I offered you a 2nd round pick on a back that you hardly use and took in the 4th, you wouldn't take that offer?


While Balt. might take a 2nd for McClain there is no way I would do that for the Texans.

And Bush was Oaklands most productive rusher last season, almost wqually splitting carries with Fargas (123-129) while McFadden is ther 3rd down back...

BullNation4Life
02-16-2010, 02:52 PM
While Balt. might take a 2nd for McClain there is no way I would do that for the Texans.

And Bush was Oaklands most productive rusher last season, almost wqually splitting carries with Fargas (123-129) while McFadden is ther 3rd down back...

Why would you not give a 2nd to Baltimore for McClain? He is a proven back in the NFL. Had 10 tds and 900+ yards as a starter in 2008. What has been the most tds any RB in the history of the Texans franchise had, 5? He is a Jerome Bettis type back and a punisher, exactly what fans want and the Texans need.

As for Bush, I still believe McFadden will be the featured back if not sharing carries with Fargas.They were using Bush as a FB once Fargas and McFadden were healthy, he was the odd man out, not McFadden and will be next year.

infantrycak
02-16-2010, 03:26 PM
What has been the most tds any RB in the history of the Texans franchise had, 5?

Domanick Davis 13.

He is a Jerome Bettis type back and a punisher, exactly what fans want and the Texans need.

Fans may want a Jerome Bettis back but that isn't what the team needs or is built for.

D-Frank
02-16-2010, 03:34 PM
ok, im not on the gerhart wagon...ive seen him and watched his hl's and he is a PRODUCT OF GOOD RUN BLOCKING, REALLY GOOD! has no wiggle at all, and is farrr from the "white" earl campbell qouta, after he runs a 4.8 in the combine everyone will stop talking about him. and to get him in the 2nd round??? child please.

GP
02-16-2010, 04:42 PM
OK, the betting line is set at round 3 (for a RB).

I want to know how many of you will bet the line, who bets under, and who bets over?

I'd stay away from betting under. Though Round 2 might be possible.

Round 3?

Or rounds 4-7?

I like what I saw in McCluster out of Ole Miss. Anytime I watched a recap of an Ole Miss game, there he was: Running around, making people miss.

disaacks3
02-16-2010, 04:49 PM
OK, the betting line is set at round 3 (for a RB).

I want to know how many of you will bet the line, who bets under, and who bets over?

I'd stay away from betting under. Though Round 2 might be possible.

Round 3?

Or rounds 4-7?

I like what I saw in McCluster out of Ole Miss. Anytime I watched a recap of an Ole Miss game, there he was: Running around, making people miss. Though it goes against Texans/Denver RB philosophy, I'll take the under. If the Texans don't take an RB by round two, there's going to be a lot of uneasiness regarding next season.

GP
02-16-2010, 05:01 PM
Though it goes against Texans/Denver RB philosophy, I'll take the under. If the Texans don't take an RB by round two, there's going to be a lot of uneasiness regarding next season.

How do you feel knowing that this team didn't even DRAFT a running back last year? And now they will make the jump and go Round 1 or 2 with one?

You have forgotten that it would signal, in a huge way, that the late-round or UDFA route by Kubiak was a waste of time and energy (and maybe even a waste of playoff chances?).

Kubiak has a funny way of making sure he imposes his philosophical will upon everyone. I don't see him showing such a sign of weakness and humility by taking a guy in round 1 or 2.

And if he does, boy oh boy will he and Rick Smith put on a show and act like they got the steal of the draft. Wait and see. They'll make big noise about how so-and-so shouldn't have been available at our spot, and we had him graded as a Top 10 guy all along.

I think round 3 would be THE highest he'd go. Or he will try the UDFA route and hope for an Arian Foster-type of player to develop behind Arian.

Of course....I'm jaded, so that's just the anger and resentment talkin' right there.

D-Frank
02-16-2010, 05:15 PM
we will draft a rb in the 3rd or 4th, prolly 4th, and no gerhart. if we drafted mccluster, thats cool cause we could use him everywhere....anyone who watched him play SPECIALLY the senior bowl....that guy is atomic

edit, mccluster wont be availiable in the 3rd or 4th round after he runs a 4.3 at the combine

BullNation4Life
02-16-2010, 05:23 PM
Domanick Davis 13.



Fans may want a Jerome Bettis back but that isn't what the team needs or is built for.

13 really? By Davis? Don't even remember those numbers and I have watched every game since 2002.

But do they not need a bruising back that can get into the redzone and score? Isn't that what everyone has been screaming about? They need a big bruiser to compliment Slaton and Foster, now they don't? I used Bettis cause of the frame but Bush and McClain both fit the profile the Texans have been wanting.

CloakNNNdagger
02-16-2010, 05:57 PM
ok, im not on the gerhart wagon...ive seen him and watched his hl's and he is a PRODUCT OF GOOD RUN BLOCKING, REALLY GOOD! has no wiggle at all, and is farrr from the "white" earl campbell qouta, after he runs a 4.8 in the combine everyone will stop talking about him. and to get him in the 2nd round??? child please.


Anthony Dixon.......not a "burner," but definitely a consistently productive "horse"........6'1" / 435 pounds. Dixon had eight 100-yard rushing games this season, including a 252-yard performance against Kentucky. In 2009, he also ranked 1st in the SEC with 126.5 yards rushing/G.

Though skeptics wondered if he was ready to emerge as a team leader after being arrested for a DUI [never proven because he refused testing] in July [2009], Dixon let his play do his talking, rushing for a school-record 1,391 yards. His career totals of 3,994 rushing yards [school's best all time rusher] and 42 rushing touchdowns are also school records.

Even though Dixon looks like a pure power back, he had 52 catches for 317 yards and four scores over his career, proving his versatility. He doesn't have the production or hype of a C.J. Spiller or Toby Gerhart, but is nonetheless viewed as a potential bell-cow back.

LINK (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64982&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB)

And, yeh, his big body can do damage in pass blocking.

ArlingtonTexan
02-16-2010, 06:25 PM
13 really? By Davis? Don't even remember those numbers and I have watched every game since 2002.

But do they not need a bruising back that can get into the redzone and score? Isn't that what everyone has been screaming about? They need a big bruiser to compliment Slaton and Foster, now they don't? I used Bettis cause of the frame but Bush and McClain both fit the profile the Texans have been wanting.

The Texans need an everydown complete running back who is spelled by Slaton. If they are not able to find one of those, then a so-called power back is in play.

GP
02-16-2010, 06:43 PM
we will draft a rb in the 3rd or 4th, prolly 4th, and no gerhart. if we drafted mccluster, thats cool cause we could use him everywhere....anyone who watched him play SPECIALLY the senior bowl....that guy is atomic

edit, mccluster wont be availiable in the 3rd or 4th round after he runs a 4.3 at the combine

People can look it up if they want to, but I was one of the few on here who watched Chris Johnson play in his ECU bowl game in Hawaii, and I said right then and there that the guy was a 1st rounder. I won't name names, but someone on here disagreed and said he was a 2nd at best and that a 1st would be a bit of a reach.

I see that same level of talent with McCluster. He has that ability to change gears, up OR down, and sees how to set it all up for big runs that wouldn't normally be there if he hadn't set it up a bit.

That's the difference between the guys who were just good in college versus the guys who have next-level skills. The next-level guys just have an ability to know what to do and when to do it. Even watching Chris Johnson, being that he's on our rival team the Titans, I still have to sit there and admit that the guy is good at what he does. It's above the norm.

infantrycak
02-16-2010, 07:12 PM
How do you feel knowing that this team didn't even DRAFT a running back last year? And now they will make the jump and go Round 1 or 2 with one?

Like they already had a RB people were arguing should have been in the pro-bowl and the quality level between 5th to UDFA is negligible. They had 8 picks last year and 7 are on the team.

You have forgotten that it would signal, in a huge way, that the late-round or UDFA route by Kubiak was a waste of time and energy (and maybe even a waste of playoff chances?).

Nothing to forget other than your assumptions. They had just spent a 3rd on a RB and it had worked out.

To answer your question - traditional first day pick so that would be a push or under.

Of course....I'm jaded, so that's just the anger and resentment talkin' right there.

Now you're talkin'.

But do they not need a bruising back that can get into the redzone and score? Isn't that what everyone has been screaming about?

You've mentioned three different issues here:
1) what fans want.
2) what the team needs.
3) what the team wants.

You also bring up a fundamental debate which is not everyone believes big backs are better for short yardage and redzone. History of the top TD guys in the NFL goes against that theory. It's a popular fan theory for any team with short yardage problems but it really isn't born out by single season rushing leaders such as Emmitt, Priest, TD, LT. Short space vision and movement is much more important to short yardage performance (the ability to see and hit the small gaps in a stacked scrum pile) than the theory that having an extra 10-15 lbs is somehow going to let the RB blow over guys who still outweigh them by 50-75 lbs.

rmartin65
02-16-2010, 08:12 PM
Anthony Dixon.......not a "burner," but definitely a consistently productive "horse"........6'1" / 435 pounds. Dixon had eight 100-yard rushing games this season, including a 252-yard performance against Kentucky. In 2009, he also ranked 1st in the SEC with 126.5 yards rushing/G.



LINK (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64982&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB)

And, yeh, his big body can do damage in pass blocking.

Holy Shit, that is a huge back!

GP
02-16-2010, 11:42 PM
Nothing to forget other than your assumptions. They had just spent a 3rd on a RB and it had worked out...

I would have locked up Coffee in the 2nd. When round 2 was over, and Coffee had not been taken, I knew for certain that he would not be there when it was our turn--Kubiak is full of crap if he's trying to tell the media and the fans that he really thought he'd be there for us in the 3rd. Round 2 was the round to take him in. He wasn't worth a 1st, but a 2nd would not have been shameful.

Back on track now: Even though I drafted Slaton in 2008 and he worked out decently for me, I would have used a 2nd round pick on Coffee.

And then guess what? I'd be using him once Slaton's hands became Jell-O in 2009. So my way would have worked.

I'm just saying that it's not like we need to sit here and act as if there was no way we could have foreseen Slaton's problems and that we would have needed another solid RB in there. I wouldn't have rested at RB in the 2009 draft. I would have gone that route again, in round 2, with Coffee. With the passing game we have, he would have done well IMO.

Kubiak gets a fail for the following:

1. Not grabbing Coffee, then faking shock that he wasn't there in the 3rd. That they would have him rated as "available" for our pick in the 3rd round is laughable to me. Seriously? I mean, he's obviously not the 2nd Coming or anything...but then again, look at our RB crop for the past 8 years. 2nd round would have been acceptable, considering our history at the position.

2. Believing in Chris Brown to the extent he did. I just have nothing else to say here. There's no excuse for it. Probably one of the worst moves in NFL history: To have him on our roster in 2008 and then again in 2009, and then to force him on us to the extent that Kubiak did in 2009. Stoopid by even the most stringent of Stoopid classification systems.

3. Not using Foster earlier. Kubiak either thrusts RBs into the limelight to fast, over-inflating their heads, or he stashes them away until the last part of the season. The way he's gone about the RB roster has just been bizarre and erratic. With the exception of Slaton's 2008 year, Kubiak has had the worst luck with choosing his RBs and finding any consistent success.

I believe in God. And I ask God to help Gary Kubiak find one or two guys who can platoon the RB position in 2010 and do something. At this point, he's going to need divine intervention.

D-Frank
02-17-2010, 12:10 AM
from Infantrycak:

You also bring up a fundamental debate which is not everyone believes big backs are better for short yardage and redzone. History of the top TD guys in the NFL goes against that theory. It's a popular fan theory for any team with short yardage problems but it really isn't born out by single season rushing leaders such as Emmitt, Priest, TD, LT. Short space vision and movement is much more important to short yardage performance (the ability to see and hit the small gaps in a stacked scrum pile) than the theory that having an extra 10-15 lbs is somehow going to let the RB blow over guys who still outweigh them by 50-75 lbs

if we get a good interior o line AND Slaton doesnt come in overweight then we will be fine, doesnt need to be addressed. ANY GREAT RB IN THE LEAGUE HAS A GOOD/REALLY GOOD INTERIOR!!! people really really think o line is overated... SMDH!!! agree with you Infantry

Marcus
02-17-2010, 12:24 AM
Of course....I'm jaded, so that's just the anger and resentment talkin' right there.

Yeah, can you put a lid on the bash Kubiak slant in your posts and turn the page please. You're boring. Go run for office if you want campaign so much.

BullNation4Life
02-17-2010, 10:33 AM
I would have locked up Coffee in the 2nd. When round 2 was over, and Coffee had not been taken, I knew for certain that he would not be there when it was our turn--Kubiak is full of crap if he's trying to tell the media and the fans that he really thought he'd be there for us in the 3rd. Round 2 was the round to take him in. He wasn't worth a 1st, but a 2nd would not have been shameful.

Back on track now: Even though I drafted Slaton in 2008 and he worked out decently for me, I would have used a 2nd round pick on Coffee.

And then guess what? I'd be using him once Slaton's hands became Jell-O in 2009. So my way would have worked.

I'm just saying that it's not like we need to sit here and act as if there was no way we could have foreseen Slaton's problems and that we would have needed another solid RB in there. I wouldn't have rested at RB in the 2009 draft. I would have gone that route again, in round 2, with Coffee. With the passing game we have, he would have done well IMO.

Kubiak gets a fail for the following:

1. Not grabbing Coffee, then faking shock that he wasn't there in the 3rd. That they would have him rated as "available" for our pick in the 3rd round is laughable to me. Seriously? I mean, he's obviously not the 2nd Coming or anything...but then again, look at our RB crop for the past 8 years. 2nd round would have been acceptable, considering our history at the position.

2. Believing in Chris Brown to the extent he did. I just have nothing else to say here. There's no excuse for it. Probably one of the worst moves in NFL history: To have him on our roster in 2008 and then again in 2009, and then to force him on us to the extent that Kubiak did in 2009. Stoopid by even the most stringent of Stoopid classification systems.

3. Not using Foster earlier. Kubiak either thrusts RBs into the limelight to fast, over-inflating their heads, or he stashes them away until the last part of the season. The way he's gone about the RB roster has just been bizarre and erratic. With the exception of Slaton's 2008 year, Kubiak has had the worst luck with choosing his RBs and finding any consistent success.

I believe in God. And I ask God to help Gary Kubiak find one or two guys who can platoon the RB position in 2010 and do something. At this point, he's going to need divine intervention.

Have you not read anything anybody has posted or you just like going off on blind rants for ranting sake?

They took Barwin in the 2nd, which there was no problem with that pick at all. Nobody anticipated Slaton having the year he had. They wanted Coffee and Greene and both got taken before the Texans pick. Jet traded up to take Greene. Neither one of those guys were even a lock to play in this system under Kubiak. Greene's pass blocking sucks, so much he got Sanchez killed several time this year. I didn't see enough of Coffee to even speculate. You think that would have flown in Kubiak's system? Not hardly which brings me to Chris Brown and Foster...

Kubiak stuck with him for mainly pass blocking purposes. Out of Foster, Moats and Brown, Brown was the lesser of 3 evils. Foster didn't get his stuff straight until the last 3 weeks of the season when he showed it in practice. What some folks fail to understand is that running back in this system is a lot more than getting the ball and going. Kubiak is not going to put anybody, no matter what kind of runner he is, in a situation that is gonna get Schaub hurt. Moats sucks a pass blocking as well and kept putting the ball on the ground. Like it or not, and by this post, not, Brown was Kubiak's only choice when it came to a back that could do what he asked, mainly pick up your assignments and protect the QB. From a production standpoint, well that is where Chris Brown failed, not Kubiak.

So now, Slaton is done, Moats is a non factor and your only choices left are an unproven rookie who has shown you nothing in practice or Chris Brown. It is only bizarre and erratic to someone who doesn't understand the process...

Maybe now you do.

El Tejano
02-17-2010, 11:42 AM
Kubiak you suck. See what you missed out on by not selecting Glen Coffee.

Games Played : 14
Games Started : 2
Att: 83 (he's had his fair share of chances)
Yds: 226
Avg: 2.7
Longest run: 17
TD: 1
Rec: 11
Yds: 76
Avg: 6.9
Longest reception: 12
TD: 0

Now it has been documented on this board that I was a huge Pro Glen Coffee guy. I also wanted Gartrell Johnson. Neither of them did anything worth a second round pick or even a 3rd.
I can't believe that we are actually taking a dump on our coach for rating a guy at a certain level and sticking to that plan vs. reaching for him. Especially when at the time RB was not too high a priority on our list because of Steve Slaton. Also available was Rashad Jennings in the sixth and I thought for sure that we would get that guy in that spot. I was mad when we didn't. Looking back, Jennings didn't amount to much and our coach made a better decision getting an undrafted guy to play and put up the same if not better season stats as all these guys in basically two games of play.

Arian Foster:

Games played: 6
Games Started :1
Att: 54
YDS: 257
Avg: 4.8
Lng: 24
TD: 3
Rec: 8
Yds: 93
Avg: 11.6
Long: 20
TD : 0

steelbtexan
02-17-2010, 12:35 PM
Have you not read anything anybody has posted or you just like going off on blind rants for ranting sake?

They took Barwin in the 2nd, which there was no problem with that pick at all. Nobody anticipated Slaton having the year he had. They wanted Coffee and Greene and both got taken before the Texans pick. Jet traded up to take Greene. Neither one of those guys were even a lock to play in this system under Kubiak. Greene's pass blocking sucks, so much he got Sanchez killed several time this year. I didn't see enough of Coffee to even speculate. You think that would have flown in Kubiak's system? Not hardly which brings me to Chris Brown and Foster...

Kubiak stuck with him for mainly pass blocking purposes. Out of Foster, Moats and Brown, Brown was the lesser of 3 evils. Foster didn't get his stuff straight until the last 3 weeks of the season when he showed it in practice. What some folks fail to understand is that running back in this system is a lot more than getting the ball and going. Kubiak is not going to put anybody, no matter what kind of runner he is, in a situation that is gonna get Schaub hurt. Moats sucks a pass blocking as well and kept putting the ball on the ground. Like it or not, and by this post, not, Brown was Kubiak's only choice when it came to a back that could do what he asked, mainly pick up your assignments and protect the QB. From a production standpoint, well that is where Chris Brown failed, not Kubiak.

So now, Slaton is done, Moats is a non factor and your only choices left are an unproven rookie who has shown you nothing in practice or Chris Brown. It is only bizarre and erratic to someone who doesn't understand the process...

Maybe now you do.

No what's a terrible indictment of this franchse is that since the Texans inception as a franchise which includes 2 regimes. There has been only one slightly above average RB on the roster. (D.D Williams).

2. That there's not a RB on the roster that can be coached up to even be an average RB until the last 3 games of the season. You would think by the performance of the Texans RB corps that it took a nuclear scientist to learn pass protection and that learning how to hold onto the ball was like a day in andvanced physics class. Other teams seem to have rookies that can step in and play right away. L.McCoy, 2 yrs ago C.Johnson,Stewart,Hillis and S.Young there are more that I cant remember.

3. What is the constant in the failure of the Texans RB corps through 2 regimes? Chick Harris, he should've been fired. INMO

Dont give me a he helped develop Slaton, Gibbs drafted and worked with the OL and Slaton as the running game coordinator.

Now maybe you understand why fans are pissed that a slug like C.Brown was even on the team much less saw the field. Not that I'm speaking for GP. He does a much better job expressing the crappy situation that the Texans RB corps. Than I could ever dream of expressing.

The Pencil Neck
02-18-2010, 06:21 PM
13 really? By Davis? Don't even remember those numbers and I have watched every game since 2002.


I made a killing with Domanick that year in Fantasy Football.

People forget how could he was and how great he could have been.

threetoedpete
02-19-2010, 11:50 AM
Holy Shit, that is a huge back!

definitely a consistently productive "horse"........6'1" / 435 pounds.

Yeah, saddle him up !

TexanFan23
02-19-2010, 04:53 PM
ESPN Insider says Lendale White to Houston is a possibility.. I didn't read the whole thing because I refuse to pay for a membership.

thoughts ?

Would a signing like this take RB off the draft list ?

ArlingtonTexan
02-19-2010, 05:10 PM
ESPN Insider says Lendale White to Houston is a possibility.. I didn't read the whole thing because I refuse to pay for a membership.

thoughts ?

Would a signing like this take RB off the draft list ?

It was the blogger's pure speculation. Texans need a pure lead back. Getting a pure power guy means Plan B.

JB
02-19-2010, 05:16 PM
ESPN Insider says Lendale White to Houston is a possibility.. I didn't read the whole thing because I refuse to pay for a membership.

thoughts ?

Would a signing like this take RB off the draft list ?

I cannot see the Texans giving up a 1st or 2nd for White. Unless they work out a trade for a conditional 3 or 4

painekiller
02-19-2010, 11:35 PM
More from the General... :wild:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6863543.html

Kubiak wants team to be better in ground game

“We're going to find a way to get better,” Kubiak said. “It wasn't good enough last season.”



How do you get better at running the ball? get yourself a couple of these
Mike Iupati 6-5, 330 5.20 Idaho (OT)

Mike Johnson 6-5, 305 5.40 Alabama
Jon Asamoah 6-4, 315 5.10 Illinois (X)

John Jerry 6-5, 350 5.45 Mississippi (OT)

Mitch Pretus 6-3, 315 5.10 Arkansas

Brandon Carter 6-6, 355 5.55 Texas Tech (O)
Zane Beadles 6-4, 315 5.25 Utah (OT)

Marshall Newhouse 6-3, 320 5.05 Texas Christian (OT)
Sergio Render 6-3, 325 5.20 Virginia Tech

Shaun Lauvao 6-3, 305 5.30 Arizona State


and possible add one of these *Maurkice Pouncey 6-5, 320 5.20 Florida
Matt Tennant 6-3, 295 5.10 Boston College
J.D. Walton 6-3, 305 5.20 Baylor
Ted Larsen 6-2, 300 5.25 North Carolina State
Eric Olsen 6-3, 305 5.25 Notre Dame (OG)
John Estes 6-2, 295 5.15 Hawaii
Kenny Alfred 6-2, 300 5.25 Washington
Chris Hall 6-3, 310 5.10 Texas
Eric Cook 6-5, 315 5.25 New Mexico
Thomas Austin 6-3, 315 5.15 Clemson (OG)


You need a OL. Pitts and Brisiel are both hurt and both guys have injuries that can really effect a players ability, especially Brisiel's injury.

D-Frank
02-20-2010, 09:20 AM
it definatly starts up front

painekiller
02-20-2010, 10:23 PM
because every team covets picks, right? If you called Oakland right now and offered this years 2nd for Bush considering he was a 4th round pick, bet ol Uncle Al's ears might perk up a bit, maybe even Baltimore's might as well on Mcclain, who was also a 4th round pick. What ever it took, make it appealing to them. Either one of those backs are better than anything you are going to get as a rookie, and are exactly what you are looking for.

Bush won't start over Fargas or McFadden, especially McFadden, he makes too much.

Both teams have an abundance of backs as it stand and both are being used as FBs, so are they really being used effectively in either teams offense?

It is all about how you sell it to either team....


If I offered you a 2nd round pick on a back that you hardly use and took in the 4th, you wouldn't take that offer?

Add a little of inside knowledge of the Oakland RB to our team now, Greg Knapp was the Raiders OC in 2007-08, plus played them twice last year. He might have a little knowledge of the FO thinking on each guy.

painekiller
02-20-2010, 10:33 PM
I would have locked up Coffee in the 2nd. When round 2 was over, and Coffee had not been taken, I knew for certain that he would not be there when it was our turn--Kubiak is full of crap if he's trying to tell the media and the fans that he really thought he'd be there for us in the 3rd. Round 2 was the round to take him in. He wasn't worth a 1st, but a 2nd would not have been shameful.

Back on track now: Even though I drafted Slaton in 2008 and he worked out decently for me, I would have used a 2nd round pick on Coffee.

And then guess what? I'd be using him once Slaton's hands became Jell-O in 2009. So my way would have worked.

I'm just saying that it's not like we need to sit here and act as if there was no way we could have foreseen Slaton's problems and that we would have needed another solid RB in there. I wouldn't have rested at RB in the 2009 draft. I would have gone that route again, in round 2, with Coffee. With the passing game we have, he would have done well IMO.

Kubiak gets a fail for the following:

1. Not grabbing Coffee, then faking shock that he wasn't there in the 3rd. That they would have him rated as "available" for our pick in the 3rd round is laughable to me. Seriously? I mean, he's obviously not the 2nd Coming or anything...but then again, look at our RB crop for the past 8 years. 2nd round would have been acceptable, considering our history at the position.

2. Believing in Chris Brown to the extent he did. I just have nothing else to say here. There's no excuse for it. Probably one of the worst moves in NFL history: To have him on our roster in 2008 and then again in 2009, and then to force him on us to the extent that Kubiak did in 2009. Stoopid by even the most stringent of Stoopid classification systems.

3. Not using Foster earlier. Kubiak either thrusts RBs into the limelight to fast, over-inflating their heads, or he stashes them away until the last part of the season. The way he's gone about the RB roster has just been bizarre and erratic. With the exception of Slaton's 2008 year, Kubiak has had the worst luck with choosing his RBs and finding any consistent success.

I believe in God. And I ask God to help Gary Kubiak find one or two guys who can platoon the RB position in 2010 and do something. At this point, he's going to need divine intervention.

IMO Coffee is a 3rd rounder, period. He was not worth our 2nd pick. Coffee has not shown , he avg 2.7 yds per carry last season, to be worth where he was drafted. Smith and Kubiak would have lost on him in the 3rd. Caldwell will be an asset longer than Coffee.

I agree with many of your points and argument, but leave the Coffee alone.

painekiller
02-20-2010, 10:38 PM
I made a killing with Domanick that year in Fantasy Football.

People forget how could he was and how great he could have been.

so did I, made the finals in 3 of 5 leagues with him.

ArlingtonTexan
02-21-2010, 12:09 AM
IMO Coffee is a 3rd rounder, period. He was not worth our 2nd pick. Coffee has not shown , he avg 2.7 yds per carry last season, to be worth where he was drafted. Smith and Kubiak would have lost on him in the 3rd. Caldwell will be an asset longer than Coffee.

I agree with many of your points and argument, but leave the Coffee alone.

Actually, what Coffeee does well is get what's blocked which is a characteristic of a zone back. Not saying he is the "answer" but he would be better in zone system than whatever they do out in SF.

GP
02-21-2010, 03:34 AM
Actually, what Coffeee does well is get what's blocked which is a characteristic of a zone back. Not saying he is the "answer" but he would be better in zone system than whatever they do out in SF.

Thank you for taking the time to post what I would have posted, but was just too friggin' tired to post myself.

Since it would have come from me, it would have been marginalized.

Sometimes a RB is on a team that he's not a fit with. The league's history is full of instances where a RB sucks it up in one place and then goes somewhere else and becomes something much better than the previous year. The list is long.

I think he could fit the bill here. I thought, back in the draft, that this team and what it does (ZBS and a great passing attack) would be a good fit for him. Still do today.

He has strength, IMO, and I think he's a bad fit on that 49er team.

Lucky
02-21-2010, 08:29 AM
From a production standpoint, well that is where Chris Brown failed, not Kubiak.
It's tiresome having to read these Kubiak apologies, again and again. Kubiak can do no wrong. Even though he has been running this team for 4 years, it's not his fault that the team's best option at running back is a washed up stiff like Chris Brown.

Can't someone admit that Kubiak's failure to fortify the running back position was a mistake? Not suggesting that it (alone) should have cost his job...just a mistake. Can't Coach Teflon make mistakes?

D-Frank
02-21-2010, 10:57 AM
It's tiresome having to read these Kubiak apologies, again and again. Kubiak can do no wrong. Even though he has been running this team for 4 years, it's not his fault that the team's best option at running back is a washed up stiff like Chris Brown.

Can't someone admit that Kubiak's failure to fortify the running back position was a mistake? Not suggesting that it (alone) should have cost his job...just a mistake. Can't Coach Teflon make mistakes?

it would be a wasted draft pick to pick someone up in the first or 2nd round and tell him to go run behind our line....(center, and guards) name a good rb in the league and they have a good interior. NOW THAT KUBS FAULT! NOT GETTING SOME BETTER GUYS IN THE MIDDLE! but he didnt prolly think they pitts and brisel would go down either

GP
02-21-2010, 11:35 AM
it would be a wasted draft pick to pick someone up in the first or 2nd round and tell him to go run behind our line....(center, and guards) name a good rb in the league and they have a good interior. NOW THAT KUBS FAULT! NOT GETTING SOME BETTER GUYS IN THE MIDDLE! but he didnt prolly think they pitts and brisel would go down either

So....how did Arian Foster run so well there at the end of the season?

I mean, he's being propped up as the probable starter or at least #2 behind Slaton. People are pointing at Foster as being proof that Kubiak DID address the RB need, just not when we wanted him to (going the UDFA route).

I hated the Barwin pick. It's Jason Babin all over again. You can't dress it up. It's a pick you make if your team is stacked and you want to go fishing. We needed a running back. There was one or two still available. Take your pick.

Or, just don't pick any at all and go sifting through the undrafted guys like Kubiak did.

As much as I want to believe that we're going to pull through this and grab a quality RB...or that Arian Foster is going to be THAT guy for us, I can't find it within me to be realistically hopeful.

Patterns.

GP
02-21-2010, 11:39 AM
This team is QB-centric just like the Elway-led Broncos were.

Terrell Davis has done more to set back the Broncos and the Texans than Capers and Casserly ever have. The Broncos hit a home-run on that pick, and so the thinking is that you can go fishing and find a 9-lb. bass under any old tree stump you throw your lure under.

Patterns.

D-Frank
02-21-2010, 11:54 AM
So....how did Arian Foster run so well there at the end of the season?

I mean, he's being propped up as the probable starter or at least #2 behind Slaton. People are pointing at Foster as being proof that Kubiak DID address the RB need, just not when we wanted him to (going the UDFA route).

I hated the Barwin pick. It's Jason Babin all over again. You can't dress it up. It's a pick you make if your team is stacked and you want to go fishing. We needed a running back. There was one or two still available. Take your pick.

Or, just don't pick any at all and go sifting through the undrafted guys like Kubiak did.

As much as I want to believe that we're going to pull through this and grab a quality RB...or that Arian Foster is going to be THAT guy for us, I can't find it within me to be realistically hopeful.

Patterns.

our interior overachieved, plus against the pats, vince wilfork didnt play. our other good game running, was against the bills and they have a horrible d line, that was ryan moats day. other than that we couldnt do shhht allll year, it aint that foster was just a hero, it was he had some help, if he woulda started all the games he woulda got blown up in the backfield like every other rb of ours did. those 2 games he started he HAD lanes to run through, we can keep our rb's and upgrade our interior and problem solved

beerlover
02-21-2010, 12:05 PM
our interior overachieved, plus against the pats, vince wilfork didnt play. our other good game running, was against the bills and they have a horrible d line, that was ryan moats day. other than that we couldnt do shhht allll year, it aint that foster was just a hero, it was he had some help, if he woulda started all the games he woulda got blown up in the backfield like every other rb of ours did. those 2 games he started he HAD lanes to run through, we can keep our rb's and upgrade our interior and problem solved

My take:

The pressure was off the Texans. They got on a little mini-roll. OL regained some continuity. Foster was finally healthy & ready to go. Teams they finished were either out of it or resting their prime run stoppers.

BullNation4Life
02-22-2010, 10:36 AM
It's tiresome having to read these Kubiak apologies, again and again. Kubiak can do no wrong. Even though he has been running this team for 4 years, it's not his fault that the team's best option at running back is a washed up stiff like Chris Brown.

Can't someone admit that Kubiak's failure to fortify the running back position was a mistake? Not suggesting that it (alone) should have cost his job...just a mistake. Can't Coach Teflon make mistakes?

Guess the same could be said about those who blame Kubiak for every wrong doing the team has and not holding players accountable for not executing and performing within the job they are being paid millions to do...

Condemning is a 2 way street...

As for the RB situation, not Kubiak's style to take RBs with high draft choices. Any and everybody who knows this system and the tree of coaching Kubiak comes from, knows they will not take 1st or 2nd round RBs.

They had their sights set on Greene but got bushwhacked when the Jets traded up to get him. Nothing you can really do about that. If they take him in the 2nd, when he was a projected 3rd rounder, and he doesn't perform like he did with the Jets and all that first round beef on the O-line the Jets have, then Kubiak would be blasted for reaching in the 2nd for back that underperformed....

Guess once damned, always damned huh?

beerlover
02-22-2010, 10:55 AM
They had their sights set on Greene but got bushwhacked when the Jets traded up to get him. Nothing you can really do about that. If they take him in the 2nd, when he was a projected 3rd rounder, and he doesn't perform like he did with the Jets and all that first round beef on the O-line the Jets have, then Kubiak would be blasted for reaching in the 2nd for back that underperformed....

Shonn Greene had a second rd. grade but Connor Barwin had a first. simple as that really they followed their own board to the letter.

infantrycak
02-22-2010, 10:56 AM
As for the RB situation, not Kubiak's style to take RBs with high draft choices. Any and everybody who knows this system and the tree of coaching Kubiak comes from, knows they will not take 1st or 2nd round RBs.

Which would be a great categorical statement if true but it isn't. Kubiak tried to trade what became DeMeco and OD for a 1st rounder to take DeAngelo Williams. Luckily they got outbid.

badboy
02-22-2010, 11:07 AM
it would be a wasted draft pick to pick someone up in the first or 2nd round and tell him to go run behind our line....(center, and guards) name a good rb in the league and they have a good interior. NOW THAT KUBS FAULT! NOT GETTING SOME BETTER GUYS IN THE MIDDLE! but he didnt prolly think they pitts and brisel would go down eitherWhy can not the running back and Oline be addressed in same draft?

badboy
02-22-2010, 11:12 AM
How do you get better at running the ball? get yourself a couple of these


and possible add one of these

You need a OL. Pitts and Brisiel are both hurt and both guys have injuries that can really effect a players ability, especially Brisiel's injury.Not sure about Brisiel but Kubes said over a week ago that Pitts is ready.

BullNation4Life
02-22-2010, 11:58 AM
Which would be a great categorical statement if true but it isn't. Kubiak tried to trade what became DeMeco and OD for a 1st rounder to take DeAngelo Williams. Luckily they got outbid.

Once again your infinite wisdom knows no bounds.....

NEVER heard that one, not saying it isn't true, just never heard them talk about trying to get Williams.

Here is a name that might be sour but could be sweet. Lawrence Maroney? 4th year starter, 25 years old. Make a trade with the Pats and take Maroney off of their hands. I know he had issues last season, mainly due to "technique" change in his running style according to him, but he, Slaton and Foster would be a nice little combination, no?

Seems the Pats have pretty much given up on him by bringing in Fred Taylor and rumor is LT could end up out there as well. I say take a gander and see what the Pats are wanting...

PHAROAH
02-23-2010, 05:24 PM
Though it goes against Texans/Denver RB philosophy, I'll take the under. If the Texans don't take an RB by round two, there's going to be a lot of uneasiness regarding next season. The Texans will be taking a running back really early and they will want an explosive back in the zone blocking system. I think that Jahvid Best is the right type of back to play in that system and he has been in that system at Cal under coach Jeff Tedford. This guy reminds me of Chris Johnson for Tennessee once he make one cut he is gone and with Bests speed he could be dominating in our system. I also like C.J.Spiller and Jonathon Dwyer and if we don't get one of the 3 mentioned I think we will be talking about drafting another running back in 2011.

swtbound07
02-23-2010, 11:56 PM
Have you not read anything anybody has posted or you just like going off on blind rants for ranting sake?

They took Barwin in the 2nd, which there was no problem with that pick at all. Nobody anticipated Slaton having the year he had. They wanted Coffee and Greene and both got taken before the Texans pick. Jet traded up to take Greene. Neither one of those guys were even a lock to play in this system under Kubiak. Greene's pass blocking sucks, so much he got Sanchez killed several time this year. I didn't see enough of Coffee to even speculate. You think that would have flown in Kubiak's system? Not hardly which brings me to Chris Brown and Foster...

Kubiak stuck with him for mainly pass blocking purposes. Out of Foster, Moats and Brown, Brown was the lesser of 3 evils. Foster didn't get his stuff straight until the last 3 weeks of the season when he showed it in practice. What some folks fail to understand is that running back in this system is a lot more than getting the ball and going. Kubiak is not going to put anybody, no matter what kind of runner he is, in a situation that is gonna get Schaub hurt. Moats sucks a pass blocking as well and kept putting the ball on the ground. Like it or not, and by this post, not, Brown was Kubiak's only choice when it came to a back that could do what he asked, mainly pick up your assignments and protect the QB. From a production standpoint, well that is where Chris Brown failed, not Kubiak.

So now, Slaton is done, Moats is a non factor and your only choices left are an unproven rookie who has shown you nothing in practice or Chris Brown. It is only bizarre and erratic to someone who doesn't understand the process...

Maybe now you do.

Interesting. I still have a problem with that pick. I think there were so many better options, better positions, better players, that the Barwin pick was one of the worst in our franchise's history. Jury's still out and all that, but I hated it. I think a lot more people have issues with that pick than you apparently think. Barwin kinda sucked it up his rookie year. Hopefully he will get better.

The Pencil Neck
02-24-2010, 03:21 AM
Interesting. I still have a problem with that pick. I think there were so many better options, better positions, better players, that the Barwin pick was one of the worst in our franchise's history. Jury's still out and all that, but I hated it. I think a lot more people have issues with that pick than you apparently think. Barwin kinda sucked it up his rookie year. Hopefully he will get better.

According to NFL.com, the guy had the most sacks of any DE from last year's draft and the 3rd most sacks of ANYONE from last year's draft.

He played well his rookie season. I loved the pick at the time it was made because I didn't expect him to fall to us. I expected Barwin to go in late first, early second. I think a lot of people had a first round grade on him.

Whether that pick bothers me or not will depend on how he does next year. But that will be hindsight. At the time, I thought it was a really good (if unexpected) pick.

mussop
02-24-2010, 05:57 AM
RB is by far the biggest need this team has. We need an impact player at that positions and nothing we are going to get in FA or late in the draft is going to assure us of that.

There are no OL that will be available at our second round pick that could come in and start. Whatever RB we draft in the first or second will be starting and counted on as a major contributor.

Breisal, Myers (i know), Studdard, Caldwell, a decent FA pickup and a late draft choice for depth should be adequate for now.

Im not saying this is how I would do it, but this is how I believe they will do it.

If we dont go RB in the first I wouldnt be surprised to see us trade up in the second to secure a targeted one. I wouldnt be shocked if we draft 2 RB's. I actually expect it.

threetoedpete
02-24-2010, 07:52 AM
According to NFL.com, the guy had the most sacks of any DE from last year's draft and the 3rd most sacks of ANYONE from last year's draft.

He played well his rookie season. I loved the pick at the time it was made because I didn't expect him to fall to us. I expected Barwin to go in late first, early second. I think a lot of people had a first round grade on him.

Whether that pick bothers me or not will depend on how he does next year. But that will be hindsight. At the time, I thought it was a really good (if unexpected) pick.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant. I agree with Conner. there's only two ways you draft a Jared Allen type player. You spend two first round picks and move up to go get him. Or you draft a protege in the second and develope him.

So...... some of you Einsteins with inside connections....Who are the Texan's going to interview this week ? I.e. What sixty players are scheduled to interview with the Texans during the combine ?

threetoedpete
02-24-2010, 07:56 AM
Finding a Consistent running game is by far the biggest need this team has. We need an impact player at that positions and nothing we are going to get in FA or late in the draft is going to assure us of that.


There fixed it for ya. and that fellows name is Iupati. If there are holes doesn't matter where the Rb was drafted . Or how high he was ranked when he came out.

CloakNNNdagger
02-24-2010, 08:36 AM
Slow 40 has dogged Toby Gerhart , but he has proven to be a big (6'1"/231), tough, CONSISTENT, workhorse. Interesting pick, possibly, for later rounds.

Gerhart may not be the fastest back. He runs in the mid 4.5's and 4.6's. He may not be the most athletic, either. While he does possess sound agility and elusiveness, it can't be compared to that of, say, Darren McFadden or Felix Jones.

But his durability, his power, and his lack of fear; those are components to his game that cannot be replaced. Neither can his break-away speed, his vision, and his relentless ability to and knack for attacking defenders, usually many at a time.

FULL STORY (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/274663-2010-nfl-draft-profile-toby-gerhart)

Great moves for a ZBS RB
VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOCKIwYzkV0)

Texsker
02-25-2010, 11:16 AM
It still aggravates me that the Texans missed out on Shonn Greene last year. I thought he'd fall to us in round #3, and he almost did, but ended up getting snatched up by the Jets, prompting the Texans to take Caldwell and pass on the RB position for the remainder of the Draft.

The Texans could likely upgrade their offense by taking a back in the first round, as there will be some very good ones available. However, history has shown that there are also good backs available in the later rounds for teams that really do their homework.

I'd personally rather see the Texans go after either a DB or NT in the first round, and then pursue a running back later in the draft. Brian Price or Earl Thomas make more sense to me than a running back at the #20 spot.

CloakNNNdagger
02-25-2010, 08:59 PM
5'5" 161# sprinter/RB.........

INDIANAPOLIS -- LSU speedster Trindon Holliday has a number in mind when he runs his 40-yard dash this week at the NFL scouting combine.

"My goal is to run a 4.23," the running back/return man rold reporters.

When asked if that has anything to do with the fact that Tennessee Titans tailback Chris Johnson posted a scorching mark of 4.24 in 2008, Holliday admitted, "It's kind of sort of like that."

"It's not really a competition," said Holliday, a favorite to post the fastest time of any prospect here in Indianapolis. "I just want to come out and run as fast as I can. But I am going to try to.''

Holliday said he was timed at 4.21 seconds in the 40-yard dash a few weeks ago.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/02/lsu_running_back_trindon_holli.html

leebigeztx
02-26-2010, 02:25 AM
I think its more on the inside triangle than the rb.

Grams
02-26-2010, 06:26 AM
Slow 40 has dogged Toby Gerhart , but he has proven to be a big (6'1"/231), tough, CONSISTENT, workhorse. Interesting pick, possibly, for later rounds.



FULL STORY (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/274663-2010-nfl-draft-profile-toby-gerhart)

Great moves for a ZBS RB
VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOCKIwYzkV0)

He may not be the fastest, but looking at the video, he does have excellent vision and looks like a good burst of speed through the line of scrimmage. Holds the ball nice and tight and keeps his legs moving forward when hit.

Looks like he would be a good fit with the Texans offense.