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TexansBull
02-10-2010, 11:12 AM
On 790 the press conference is on.

Bob said he like to build in the draft and keep young players signed instead of getting free agents because they are at the end of their career(Antonio Smith is at his peak.)
Don't expect the pocket book to open because if there is no cap he is still going to operate as if there is one.
Compared his team to the Saints and Colts. We have the same amount of draft picks starting as the Colts, the Saints have two more. However, Saints have more signed free agents.
Bob was on the Economic Committee, says there was no correlation between payroll and performance.

On Gary, he extended him because he believes in continuity. Believes that he can build long term success by keeping him instead of changing every 3 years.

Called Schaub a Superbowl QB. Says team can make it to the SB in the future, and finds our team and the way the Saints were built similar.

Bob was monotone, and press dissapoints in asking questions. Matt or Adam asked a decent question about spending money in the future for the offseason.

I guess McNair still has visions of Green, Greenwood, and Wade.

badboy
02-10-2010, 11:15 AM
On 790 the press conference is on.

Bob said he like to build in the draft and keep young players signed instead of getting free agents because they are at the end of their career(Antonio Smith is at his peak.)
Don't expect the pocket book to open because if there is no cap he is still going to operate as if there is one.
Compared his team to the Saints and Colts. We have the same amount of draft picks starting as the Colts, the Saints have two more. However, Saints have more signed free agents.
Bob was on the Economic Committee, says there was no correlation between payroll and performance.

On Gary, he extended him because he believes in continuity. Believes that he can build long term success by keeping him instead of changing every 3 years.

Called Schaub a Superbowl QB. Says team can make it to the SB in the future, and finds our team and the way the Saints were built similar.

Bob was monotone, and press dissapoints in asking questions. Matt or Adam asked a decent question about spending money in the future for the offseason.

I guess McNair still has visions of Green, Greenwood, and Wade.As a businessman and now an NFL owner,McNair like his coach and GM will not let slip any concept of what his team will do in FA or draft imo. He may say we need to improve the run, pressuring the QB, etc but I do not expect to get any nugget of info on who or what team will do.

HOU-TEX
02-10-2010, 11:29 AM
Personally, I wasn't expecting much of anything in FA this year anyways. Unless teams start throwing draft picks around, this FA season's going to stink. Slim-pickins for older players that would be worth a darn.

But we'll still have a few that will say McNair was too cheap to go after the Haynesworth's and Peppers of the League. So we'll have that to look forward to...

TexansBull
02-10-2010, 11:40 AM
For someone like myself, I think it was beneficial to hear McNair speak about how he may want to spend his money and over all philosphy. From that I gathered he doesn't want a proven free agent at the end of his career but would rather take a chance on the draft. I maybe interpreting too much. He pretty much believes our foundation has been set for the last 8 years, and will add compliment pieces in the draft - gaurds, runningback, cornerback, and safety.

790 is definetly providing critism for the extension and how McNair is content in the progress in the team.

DeMarCushPoll
02-10-2010, 11:41 AM
I know there's quite a few people that think Bob is a tight-wad for not going after big name free agents, but I totally agree with the way they're building this team. It may take a little longer but once we do get there, we will be there year in and year out. In the end it'll be worth the wait.

Second Honeymoon
02-10-2010, 11:44 AM
so on one hand he says build through the draft and that can win, but then he explains that the Saints are built similar to the Texans except they have spent more on free agents.....

....well, McNair....maybe thats a clue that you are not doing enough in free agency in order to compete at the highest level...but we all know thats not what its about. just keep the beer flowing, the turnstiles turning, and the cash cow will keep churning out money.

I will give him credit for not repeating that BS he did at the previous announcement where he said the organization compared other coaches hired since Kubiak to Kubiak and that he compared well. That was the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard. i guess if you compare him to Marty Morningwheg, Tom Cable, Scott Linehan, and Lane Kiffin he compares favorable....

We all know McNair is just cutting spending in anticipation of a dead season in 2011, which he will be largely responsible due to him helping spearhead the rollbacks on the CBA. McNair is rumored to be one of the hardest of the hardline owners. I am sure that will play well with players, agents, and prospective signees. I guess being a billionaire just isn't enough....more $$ more $$ more $$ more $$.

Tailgate
02-10-2010, 11:53 AM
so on one hand he says build through the draft and that can win, but then he explains that the Saints are built similar to the Texans except they have spent more on free agents.....



You missed it. The premise remains the same. He noted the Colts and Texans had 14 starters each from the draft, and the Saints had like 12. Meaning a couple extra starters were obtained through free agency for Saints. He mentioned other teams like Oakland,etc... who go out and spend a ton of money and look where they are.

He talked about that when you are able to go out and have successful drafts, your team becomes younger, and the contracts are a bit cheaper... noting a recent committee he was on that gave no correlation between spending large chunks of dough and winning. And tied it all back into the Saints and Colts comparison.

He basically said he is not afraid to spend money when the regime agrees on a player that has not reached his peek yet, or is past it... and that they have no worries about that players motivation. Will there be many of those for us to even get this year?

TexansBull
02-10-2010, 11:54 AM
Personally, I wasn't expecting much of anything in FA this year anyways. Unless teams start throwing draft picks around, this FA season's going to stink. Slim-pickins for older players that would be worth a darn.

But we'll still have a few that will say McNair was too cheap to go after the Haynesworth's and Peppers of the League. So we'll have that to look forward to...

I wouldn't call him cheap yet. McNair has had some bad FA signings in his day and may be overly cautious when signing one. That is not a fact just an opinion. Look at ahman Green and Benson. But then he will do what is necessary sometimes such as franchising DRob. Hopefully he will resign the players he should such as OD, Pollard, and Ryans and take care of them.

HOU-TEX
02-10-2010, 12:00 PM
I wouldn't call him cheap yet. McNair has had some bad FA signings in his day and may be overly cautious when signing one. That is not a fact just an opinion. Look at ahman Green and Benson. But then he will do what is necessary sometimes such as franchising DRob. Hopefully he will resign the players he should such as OD, Pollard, and Ryans and take care of them.

McNair signs off on decisions made by the coaches and GM. He does not make them, like some around here think.

infantrycak
02-10-2010, 12:10 PM
so on one hand he says build through the draft and that can win, but then he explains that the Saints are built similar to the Texans except they have spent more on free agents.....

We all know McNair is just cutting spending in anticipation of a dead season in 2011, which he will be largely responsible due to him helping spearhead the rollbacks on the CBA. McNair is rumored to be one of the hardest of the hardline owners. I am sure that will play well with players, agents, and prospective signees. I guess being a billionaire just isn't enough....more $$ more $$ more $$ more $$.

We all know that huh? Speak for yourself. Oh and as to your original assertion on the Saints spending more on FA's:

Non-drafted starters:
O - Brees (6 years $60 mil), Goodwin (1 year $2.45 mil). That's the only FAs. They also got Shockey in a trade (5 year $26 mil).
Texans - Schaub trade (6 year $48 mil). Myers trade (4 years $11 mil). Walter trade ($2 mil last year), Leach (4 year $8 mil).

D - McCray (5 year $20 mil), Clancy and Ayodele ($1 mil a piece), Fujita (4 year $12 mil), Vilma trade (5 year $30 mil), Sharper (1 year $1.7 mil)
Texans - Smith (5 years $35.5 mil), Cody ($1 mil), Reeves (5 year $20 mil), Wilson (3 year $11.3 mil), Pollard (650k).

Not seeing the huge disparity on spending.

Texan_Bill
02-10-2010, 12:10 PM
McNair signs off on decisions made by the coaches and GM. He does not make them, like some around here think.

Really?? You mean this President and CEO has people in place to run his business while he merely signs off on the decisions that they've made? Say it ain't so! What is corporate Amerika coming to?

TexansBull
02-10-2010, 12:16 PM
McNair signs off on decisions made by the coaches and GM. He does not make them, like some around here think.

You are right. It seems more and more like McNair won't make the decisions on the team. He isn't an owner that will make a decision on his own, but will listen to others and go with their decision instead of making his own. That may be a good, making sure you are listening to experts instead if making unqualified decisions. However, he does have to consider his reaorces of infromation.

The yardstick of measure, from McNairs own words, was the progress of Capers in 4 years compared to Kubiaks. Thinks that since Kubiak took over from Capers he really doesn't count the first year or so under Kubiak because he didn't have much to work with.

I am listening live so bear with me.

790 just asked him if going againt usual 4 years and no playoffs then the coach is gone is a better decision. Said that Cowher had so many years at Pitt and said he was there so long and didn't win. I think he meant SB.

This interview definitly provides more insight to the owner.

Joe Texan
02-10-2010, 12:19 PM
I see the lips are flapping. Bob Talks and some just make up stuff he said, interesting!

TexansBull
02-10-2010, 12:22 PM
If someone can provide a link, that would be helpful for me. I would hate for some to go off my interpertation of what McNair without listening to it first hand.

Texan_Bill
02-10-2010, 12:24 PM
If someone can provide a link, that would be helpful for me. I would hate for some to go off my interpertation of what McNair without listening to it first hand.

Agreed. Hard to comment one way or the other not having heard the interview.

Second Honeymoon
02-10-2010, 12:28 PM
I know there's quite a few people that think Bob is a tight-wad for not going after big name free agents, but I totally agree with the way they're building this team. It may take a little longer but once we do get there, we will be there year in and year out. In the end it'll be worth the wait.

How do you figure? You still have to retain your good players and if you waste their careers trying to build a team, by the time your team is ready to compete at a high level, your core players are nearing retirement.

The way you build a team is this:
1. Get a good head coach with a proven track record and a good core staff of assistants.
2. Get a QB.
3. Draft well for a few years.
4. When you feel team is about to 'turn the corner' you 'make a splash' and go out and attract some top veteran FAs to come in and help the team learn how to win.
5. Once you feel your window has closed, you make sure your coaching and QB situation are in check moving forward to the next generation, and you start at #3 again.

We get to Step 4 and fail because McNair is afraid of spending money because he has been burned in the past. Well the reason he got burned is he was going after 2nd and 3rd tier FAs and having to overpay for them to come because we were expansion team. We are no longer an expansion team and we have some measure of respect around the league. We can now plead our case to prospective FAs that we are about to turn the corner and we are just missing some quality veterans to teach us how to win. Problem is, McNair isn't willing to spend the money so we are stuck at #3....and right square in a seeping pool of mediocrity.

At least when your team is bad, you get a good draft pick and some hope for the future. When you are mediocre, you gotta strike gold a few times or you may be doomed to a period of mediocrity or worse. Luckily, the Texans struck gold last year with Cushing in the mid-to-late part of the 1st Round. If you can put a few of those drafts together in a row you can get a nice nucleus and allow yourself a longer period of competitiveness once you are ready to turn the corner. In that respect, I think the Texans have done a good job in assembling some young talent..they just need to sprinkle in some 1st tier, not 2nd or 3rd tier, Free Agent talent and we could get where all of us, homer or hater, want the Texans to go. The Super Bowl.

if New Orleans can do it, we can too...we just have to make the tough decisions in order to do so.

in my opinion, one of those decisions is to bring in a top proven head coach (step#1). Its obvious Billionaire Bob feels differently

I think the Kubiak re-signing has as much to do with no football in 2011 than it does with the 2010 season. He doesn't want to pay a Cowher $10million to not coach in 2011...and I respect and understand that...to a point. What I don't respect is the spin job regarding his re-signing and acting like it was about Kubiak's performance and how he compared to other coaches.

Thorn
02-10-2010, 12:31 PM
Agreed. Hard to comment one way or the other not having heard the interview.

Since when does a lack of facts stop us from expressing our views? :lol:

HoustonFrog
02-10-2010, 12:40 PM
You are right. It seems more and more like McNair won't make the decisions on the team. He isn't an owner that will make a decision on his own, but will listen to others and go with their decision instead of making his own. That may be a good, making sure you are listening to experts instead if making unqualified decisions. However, he does have to consider his reaorces of infromation.

The yardstick of measure, from McNairs own words, was the progress of Capers in 4 years compared to Kubiaks. Thinks that since Kubiak took over from Capers he really doesn't count the first year or so under Kubiak because he didn't have much to work with.

I am listening live so bear with me.

790 just asked him if going againt usual 4 years and no playoffs then the coach is gone is a better decision. Said that Cowher had so many years at Pitt and said he was there so long and didn't win. I think he meant SB.

This interview definitly provides more insight to the owner.

That is a great argument if you are waiting on a guy to break through the SB wall but Cowher(I posted his seasons here last week) was winning big his first 6 seasons. He had one 9-7 but was above that the other 5. Alot different territory. It isn't like they weren't competing and in the playoffs..and SB.

I will say, I respect the man for having a plan in his head that looks good on paper and being a little cerebral about money or how to build. So that is a plus. But on the other hand I think the NFL landscape moves so quick these days that it is tough to have that gameplan realistically work unless you are spot on in your player pickups and development and your coach is putting people in the right spots. At some point you have to deviate and maybe think outside that window.

Malloy
02-10-2010, 12:41 PM
Since when does a lack of facts stop us from expressing our views? :lol:

True, Bob is cheap, 2nd-H says so! :)

Texan_Bill
02-10-2010, 12:43 PM
Since when does a lack of facts stop us from expressing our views? :lol:

:spit: Right!!!

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 01:03 PM
We all know that huh? Speak for yourself. Oh and as to your original assertion on the Saints spending more on FA's:

Non-drafted starters:
O - Brees (6 years $60 mil), Goodwin (1 year $2.45 mil). That's the only FAs. They also got Shockey in a trade (5 year $26 mil).
Texans - Schaub trade (6 year $48 mil). Myers trade (4 years $11 mil). Walter trade ($2 mil last year), Leach (4 year $8 mil).

D - McCray (5 year $20 mil), Clancy and Ayodele ($1 mil a piece), Fujita (4 year $12 mil), Vilma trade (5 year $30 mil), Sharper (1 year $1.7 mil)
Texans - Smith (5 years $35.5 mil), Cody ($1 mil), Reeves (5 year $20 mil), Wilson (3 year $11.3 mil), Pollard (650k).

Not seeing the huge disparity on spending.

You forgot about the most important defense FA signing. No.1 CB Greer.

All of this FA comparision makes me ask the same ? that I asked last offseason. How does Bobby Greir still have a job?

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 01:14 PM
How do you figure? You still have to retain your good players and if you waste their careers trying to build a team, by the time your team is ready to compete at a high level, your core players are nearing retirement.

The way you build a team is this:
1. Get a good head coach with a proven track record and a good core staff of assistants.
2. Get a QB.
3. Draft well for a few years.
4. When you feel team is about to 'turn the corner' you 'make a splash' and go out and attract some top veteran FAs to come in and help the team learn how to win.
5. Once you feel your window has closed, you make sure your coaching and QB situation are in check moving forward to the next generation, and you start at #3 again.

We get to Step 4 and fail because McNair is afraid of spending money because he has been burned in the past. Well the reason he got burned is he was going after 2nd and 3rd tier FAs and having to overpay for them to come because we were expansion team. We are no longer an expansion team and we have some measure of respect around the league. We can now plead our case to prospective FAs that we are about to turn the corner and we are just missing some quality veterans to teach us how to win. Problem is, McNair isn't willing to spend the money so we are stuck at #3....and right square in a seeping pool of mediocrity.

At least when your team is bad, you get a good draft pick and some hope for the future. When you are mediocre, you gotta strike gold a few times or you may be doomed to a period of mediocrity or worse. Luckily, the Texans struck gold last year with Cushing in the mid-to-late part of the 1st Round. If you can put a few of those drafts together in a row you can get a nice nucleus and allow yourself a longer period of competitiveness once you are ready to turn the corner. In that respect, I think the Texans have done a good job in assembling some young talent..they just need to sprinkle in some 1st tier, not 2nd or 3rd tier, Free Agent talent and we could get where all of us, homer or hater, want the Texans to go. The Super Bowl.

if New Orleans can do it, we can too...we just have to make the tough decisions in order to do so.

in my opinion, one of those decisions is to bring in a top proven head coach (step#1). Its obvious Billionaire Bob feels differently

I think the Kubiak re-signing has as much to do with no football in 2011 than it does with the 2010 season. He doesn't want to pay a Cowher $10million to not coach in 2011...and I respect and understand that...to a point. What I don't respect is the spin job regarding his re-signing and acting like it was about Kubiak's performance and how he compared to other coaches.

This

This is the offseason that McNair could help get this franchise over the top. Instead you get a little two-step,side step routine.

Are the Texans the 6th most profitable franchise in the NFL?

Why isn't McNair willing to take a chance on a top tier FA in this uncapped year?

McNair should be a politician. It doesn't pay as well as an NFL owner though.

Keep on cashing those checks Bob.

El Tejano
02-10-2010, 01:23 PM
If he aint going to spend in FA then he better make darn sure he spends in house.

Demeco played solid all year and even came into camp, Owens the same thing, Bernard Pollard changed our defense, Kevin Walter made the trade it took to get him worth it, and even though he's not on my favorite players list Dunta Robinson is now better than anything you got on the team currently as a CB since it sounds like you aren't going after anything big in FA so you better make sure you sign him too.

beerlover
02-10-2010, 01:27 PM
to restore my faith in McNair he would need to offer Peppers a two-year contract, come full circle & admit the Texans made a mistake in 02 draft. Thats a show of true ownership, on so many levels :logo:

HOU-TEX
02-10-2010, 01:32 PM
If he aint going to spend in FA then he better make darn sure he spends in house.

Demeco played solid all year and even came into camp, Owens the same thing, Bernard Pollard changed our defense, Kevin Walter made the trade it took to get him worth it, and even though he's not on my favorite players list Dunta Robinson is now better than anything you got on the team currently as a CB since it sounds like you aren't going after anything big in FA so you better make sure you sign him too.

Other than D-Ryans, I'd probably tender the remaining RFA's. Why re-sign all of them when you can get them for at least another year at a decent price depending how they're tendered. Plus, OD needs to have a 'prove it again' year after his injury and he already admitted so.

I just wonder what their plan is going to be with Pitts and K-dub. Will they offer Pitts 1 to two years to show them he can still go at it? Do they think K-dub is worth what he's going to want? I dunno

Please, pretty please, just get D-Ryans happy. The dude deserves it more than anybody.

Double Barrel
02-10-2010, 01:33 PM
Agreed. Hard to comment one way or the other not having heard the interview.

I feel the same way. I want to read the transcript before commenting on what he said.

I'd really like to hear the context of calling Schaub a Super Bowl QB when he hasn't even been a playoff experienced QB up to this point. It's an interesting thing to say.

WWJD
02-10-2010, 01:47 PM
to restore my faith in McNair he would need to offer Peppers a two-year contract, come full circle & admit the Texans made a mistake in 02 draft. Thats a show of true ownership, on so many levels :logo:

From all I've read and heard Peppers is going to want a break the bank kind of contract...he's not worth it but he wants huge money. He definitely has said he wants out of Carolina.

Malloy
02-10-2010, 01:52 PM
Peppers make no sense after we got Antonio last year...

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 01:58 PM
Peppers is a great player.

You make a spot for Peppers. Drop A.Smith down to DT if you have to. I would pass on signing Dunta, Walter,OD and Pitts to sign Peppers.

McNair wont so this is a moot point.

TexansBull
02-10-2010, 02:00 PM
I feel the same way. I want to read the transcript before commenting on what he said.

I'd really like to hear the context of calling Schaub a Super Bowl QB when he hasn't even been a playoff experienced QB up to this point. It's an interesting thing to say.

They are fixing to replay the interview on 790 where McNair talks about the comparison of Capers years with Kubiaks, and McNair brings up Cowher.

On the Schaub comment he saidthat Kubiak getting players like Schaub,that can lead the team to the SB, did a double take and took it back, and siad no he is SB calibre or can lead the team to the SB.

beerlover
02-10-2010, 02:29 PM
Peppers is a great player.

You make a spot for Peppers. Drop A.Smith down to DT if you have to. I would pass on signing Dunta, Walter,OD and Pitts to sign Peppers.

McNair wont so this is a moot point.

excatly. another example that opportunity knocks but ownership doesn't answer :ohsnap:

HOU-TEX
02-10-2010, 02:33 PM
For those that wanted the transcript

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6059

Mr. White
02-10-2010, 02:33 PM
Cowher was a lame example. He showed instant results.

While it took him 14 years to win a Super Bowl, he went to the playoffs 10 times.

Kubiak isn't in the same conversation.

infantrycak
02-10-2010, 02:43 PM
You forgot about the most important defense FA signing. No.1 CB Greer.

All of this FA comparision makes me ask the same ? that I asked last offseason. How does Bobby Greir still have a job?

I did forget Greer - 4 years $22 mil. Another Reeves type signing.

I feel the same way. I want to read the transcript before commenting on what he said.

I'd really like to hear the context of calling Schaub a Super Bowl QB when he hasn't even been a playoff experienced QB up to this point. It's an interesting thing to say.

Here is the comment:

We have the foundation now. We have a Super Bowl I'd say he's a Super Bowl quarterback in Matt Schaub, who was the MVP of the Pro Bowl. We have a guy who can I think take us to the Super Bowl. We've got an All-Pro receiver in Andre Johnson who many think is the best in the league; I certainly do. We've got some defensive players that are outstanding in Mario (Williams) and our linebackers, DeMeco Ryans and with Brian Cushing, and we've got some young cornerbacks coming on that are looking very good. So we've got some outstanding players and we just have to keep building on that, and this year I think we're going to continue to see improvement.

Awkwardly stated but really just saying Schaub is good enough to take us to the Super Bowl.

On free agents:

Typically, what I believe, and I think (head coach) Gary (Kubiak) and (general manager) Rick (Smith) feel the same way, typically what you see in the free agent market is a person that's had their best contract year, period. Maybe two or three years. But they've gone through their prime, they're at their peak, and if anything they might be beyond their peak at the time their contract expires and they're available. So when you go out and sign one of these players, you run the risk of paying them more than anyone else in the league will pay them, that's the only reason you got them, and they've started going downhill. And so you've tied up a lot of your dollars in a player that's not going to be as productive and that leaves you fewer dollars then to go out at work with younger players. So that's why we typically don't do that. Now, (DE) Antonio Smith was a great player for us, but he was a young player and everyone felt comfortable that he was highly motivated and physically he had not peaked, or was not going down. He might be at his peak, but not going down. So we'll look, but typically people that are good, solid players offer a better value than they guy that has been the star player."

I tend to agree about generally trying to get players who have not played their best years already.

Hervoyel
02-10-2010, 02:45 PM
For me It's never been about McNair or the Texans being "cheap". I don't see it that way though I harbor a suspicion that McNair won't pay top dollar for a head coach. I think if he needed a head coach, believed he needed a head coach, and had one sitting in front of him with a Super Bowl ring or two asking for a premium salary (but entirely interested in coming here) McNair would balk and instead try and find a promising coordinator. He'd rather roll his own I guess.

But as far as paying for free agents I don't think he's cheap. I think the biggest problem the Texans have is failing to seize those moments like when Cedric Benson was in their hands and they didn't think he was worth as much as the Bengals did.

They spend money, they just spend it stupidly on people like Ahman Green or David Carr. They have a decision making dysfunction of some sort. Most of the time they are fine but at key moments when they need to fix something or sign someone they hesitate. This team often moves like a glacier. They sit guys who obviously can play, trot out guys who are either washed up or hopelessly over their heads, and expect things to work out.

For the record I wouldn't hate seeing Peppers here, I just think we can get more bang for our buck with just one frigging truly capable DT. If the Texans could do anything in the middle Williams, Smith, and Barwin would feast on the outside. Instead the QB just steps up into that cozy pocket he knows will be there thanks to the combined efforts of Okoye and Cody. Our tackles suck. Peppers would be just one more great DE who couldn't possibly get around and back inside in time to sack Peyton most of the time.

TexansBull
02-10-2010, 02:58 PM
Here is the link to listen to the press conference and extended interview. The interview is really telling about McNair. I still think it is amazing that he brought Cowher. And then he talks about what Kubiak inherited from Capres.

It was as if he was answering most of the arguements from this message board. Almost like he went here, read everything, chose a side, wrote down his key points on his hand, and did the interview. I wish I could have watched it.

To play the media please click on the link below or paste it into your web browser.http://www.sports790.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?mps=default.php&mid=http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/station_content/589/021010_Texans_Presser_McNair_Interview_1265826895_ 15295.mp3?CPROG=PCAST?CCOMRRMID&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=HOUSTON-TX&NG_FORMAT=sports&NG_ID=kbme790am&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=&SERVER_NAME=www.sports790.com&SITE_ID=589&STATION_ID=KBME-AM&TRACK=

Thorn
02-10-2010, 03:13 PM
I certainly like what McNair said about free agents.

b0ng
02-10-2010, 03:26 PM
Free Agency is going to have one of the weakest classes ever this year unless a miracle CBA is hammered out. It is literally Julius Peppers and that's about it. The extra franchise tags, transition tags, and the 6-year RFA system is going to kill any chance of decent players coming onto the market.

Dunta Robinson is probably going to be one of the best players on the market, and that's a very telling sign to me. If the Texans didn't sign any big free agents this year I would not be terribly upset.

Texans_Chick
02-10-2010, 04:10 PM
I'm working up a fun little interview for the Chron blog now. One of the subjects is this....

Some GMs are wondering what odd free agents may become available

There are tons of guys underperforming their contracts. Some will be asked to take paycuts. Some will refuse. Some of those guys may unexpectedly hit the market.

Texans_Chick
02-10-2010, 04:15 PM
To me this was the most important thing that came out of the presser:

From McNair

"In terms of where we are and what we need, Rick Smith was going to be with us this morning but his flight was delayed. He was flying back from the East Coast and there's bad weather there and he's had trouble getting out. But we need some more depth in the center of our line. You saw what happened this past year. We lost our two starting guards, and then of course we lost (TE) Owen Daniels. But it did affect us and it hurt us in our running game and we certainly need to get some more depth there, and you're also well aware of the fact that we need some more running backs. So those are some things that we're going to be looking at offensively. And defensively, we'd still like a little more help in the center of our defensive line with another defensive tackle if we could improve ourselves there, and we can always use more cornerbacks and we could use another safety.

Just because we as fans see something as a need doesn't mean that the team sees the same thing. Kubiak deferred to McNair's answer when he was asked about it.

This is the first team acknowledgment of their draft needs.

Noticeably, he said running backS plural, but that may just be talking.

Double Barrel
02-10-2010, 05:01 PM
Peppers is a great player.

You make a spot for Peppers. Drop A.Smith down to DT if you have to. I would pass on signing Dunta, Walter,OD and Pitts to sign Peppers.

McNair wont so this is a moot point.

If OD is healthy, we'd be stupid for not keeping him. Players like him are the epitome of "building through the draft".

Peppers comes at too high a price. Awesome player, but he needs to go to a team that is one piece away from having a full package. Signing him would take too much resources away from other areas that we desperately need to address, especially if we lose a Pro Bowl-caliber TE weapon with not much to replace him with on the roster.

We are not a one-piece-away from a full package team right now, so I just don't see how tying up so much money with a guy like Peppers is good for us (unless he can block, cover, intercept, and carry the ball).

For me It's never been about McNair or the Texans being "cheap". I don't see it that way though I harbor a suspicion that McNair won't pay top dollar for a head coach. I think if he needed a head coach, believed he needed a head coach, and had one sitting in front of him with a Super Bowl ring or two asking for a premium salary (but entirely interested in coming here) McNair would balk and instead try and find a promising coordinator. He'd rather roll his own I guess.

But as far as paying for free agents I don't think he's cheap. I think the biggest problem the Texans have is failing to seize those moments like when Cedric Benson was in their hands and they didn't think he was worth as much as the Bengals did.

They spend money, they just spend it stupidly on people like Ahman Green or David Carr. They have a decision making dysfunction of some sort. Most of the time they are fine but at key moments when they need to fix something or sign someone they hesitate. This team often moves like a glacier. They sit guys who obviously can play, trot out guys who are either washed up or hopelessly over their heads, and expect things to work out.

For the record I wouldn't hate seeing Peppers here, I just think we can get more bang for our buck with just one frigging truly capable DT. If the Texans could do anything in the middle Williams, Smith, and Barwin would feast on the outside. Instead the QB just steps up into that cozy pocket he knows will be there thanks to the combined efforts of Okoye and Cody. Our tackles suck. Peppers would be just one more great DE who couldn't possibly get around and back inside in time to sack Peyton most of the time.

Yep, I pretty much agree with your whole post. I don't think McNair is cheap. I'm not even sure about the HC thing, because Capers was always just a stop-gap measure until McNair could get who he wanted all along: Kubiak. He's really too much of a noob owner, even eight years in, to really evaluate his overall price-to-HC ratio. We do not have enough data at this time.

I think McNair's two biggest flaws are hiring the wrong people to make personnel decisions (we seem to fail on the FA market), and re-signing veteran players with other influences outside of football performance (i.e. his golden boy getting an extension when it was painfully obvious to everyone but McNair and Kubiak that he was a bust or was busted).

ArlingtonTexan
02-10-2010, 05:54 PM
To me this was the most important thing that came out of the presser:

From McNair



Just because we as fans see something as a need doesn't mean that the team sees the same thing. Kubiak deferred to McNair's answer when he was asked about it.

This is the first team acknowledgment of their draft needs.

Noticeably, he said running backS plural, but that may just be talking.

I thought the same thing. The organization is seeing basically what the fans/experts are seeings. So now is the question becomes how does the organization go about fixing what everyone knows is wrong.

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 05:57 PM
If OD is healthy, we'd be stupid for not keeping him. Players like him are the epitome of "building through the draft".

Peppers comes at too high a price. Awesome player, but he needs to go to a team that is one piece away from having a full package. Signing him would take too much resources away from other areas that we desperately need to address, especially if we lose a Pro Bowl-caliber TE weapon with not much to replace him with on the roster.

We are not a one-piece-away from a full package team right now, so I just don't see how tying up so much money with a guy like Peppers is good for us (unless he can block, cover, intercept, and carry the ball).



Yep, I pretty much agree with your whole post. I don't think McNair is cheap. I'm not even sure about the HC thing, because Capers was always just a stop-gap measure until McNair could get who he wanted all along: Kubiak. He's really too much of a noob owner, even eight years in, to really evaluate his overall price-to-HC ratio. We do not have enough data at this time.

I think McNair's two biggest flaws are hiring the wrong people to make personnel decisions (we seem to fail on the FA market), and re-signing veteran players with other influences outside of football performance (i.e. his golden boy getting an extension when it was painfully obvious to everyone but McNair and Kubiak that he was a bust or was busted).

I would give up OD who's coming off ACL surgery. Who knows if he'll make it back to his pre-injury form. To sign a healthy motivated difference maker like Peppers. You have to take risks to be great.

I understand where you're coming from though.

The failure in the FA market falls directly on R.Smith and B.Greirs shoulders. I really dont blame McNair for being gun shy in FA with all of the turds that Greir and Smith sold to him. But you cant be gun shy and be a champion in the NFL. IMHO

ICAK signing Dunta for 1year/10 mil doesn't look to good when you stack his contract up against Greers 4yr/22 mil. in FA. This is another example of Greir failing at his job and the Texans over valuing their players.

This offseason I would use Duntas contract that was offered last year as a starting point in contract negociations with Richard Marshall. (CB Carolina) This is the kind of bold move the Texans need to make if they are serious about becoming contenders.

That would meet McNairs criteria of a young up and coming FA. It's going to cost top $ so I doubt Smithiak even take a look.

bckey
02-10-2010, 06:05 PM
It may take a little longer but once we do get there, we will be there year in and year out. In the end it'll be worth the wait.

That doesn't even make sense. The longer it takes building a team whether through the draft or free agency the more players either get too old, injured or leave via free agency. Football has evolved into a fast paced cut throat game on and off the field. The old days of slowly building and being patient to a fault are gone. 8 years and counting.

ArlingtonTexan
02-10-2010, 06:13 PM
That doesn't even make sense. The longer it takes building through the draft the more players either get too old, injured or leave via free agency. Football has evolved into a fast paced cut throat game on and off the field. The old days of slowly building and being patience to a fault are gone.

I agree with this. Every year teams jump into the playoffs from average at best records. If your team takes the slow route, it had better stay there for the long run versus one or two years of goodness and back to mediocore.

infantrycak
02-10-2010, 06:48 PM
You make a spot for Peppers. Drop A.Smith down to DT if you have to. I would pass on signing Dunta, Walter,OD and Pitts to sign Peppers.

McNair wont so this is a moot point.

For the way this team is built I'll take OD straight up over Peppers unless there is some complication with his knee.

I agree with this. Every year teams jump into the playoffs from average at best records. If your team takes the slow route, it had better stay there for the long run versus one or two years of goodness and back to mediocore.

Absolutely true there is a balance. It has taken too long putting AJ and Schaub together. We need the 3rd piece with a running game. You can't wait forever to put them together.

Second Honeymoon
02-10-2010, 07:37 PM
Free Agency is going to have one of the weakest classes ever this year unless a miracle CBA is hammered out. It is literally Julius Peppers and that's about it. The extra franchise tags, transition tags, and the 6-year RFA system is going to kill any chance of decent players coming onto the market.

Dunta Robinson is probably going to be one of the best players on the market, and that's a very telling sign to me. If the Texans didn't sign any big free agents this year I would not be terribly upset.

totally agree, bong. this year's crop is lame. i am not a big Peppers guy but he is probably the best around. Osi Umenyiora could be had via trade but methinks the Giants think more highly of him than we would be willing to trade for.

Lucky
02-10-2010, 07:46 PM
Why isn't McNair willing to take a chance on a top tier FA in this uncapped year?
McNair will okay any free agent Kubiak and Smith bring him. Sans a criminal record. McNair is parroting whatever Kubiak and Smith tell him. If someone Smithiak likes becomes available on the free agent market, the Texans will spin the signing.

Not to mention, signing a free agent without taking care of the guys already on the team (like Ryans and Daniels) won't go over big in the locker room. That's what Smith needs to be concerned with, though I'm not sure if getting these guys a long term deal is likely in under the current labor situation.

Noticeably, he said running backS plural, but that may just be talking.
McNair said last offseason that the Texans needed another RB. They've known this for several years, now. Time to actually do something about it.

Texans_Chick
02-10-2010, 08:14 PM
McNair said last offseason that the Texans needed another RB. They've known this for several years, now. Time to actually do something about it.

The guys they wanted went before they picked last year--Green and Coffee. They took Caldwell and that ended up being pretty important as the year progressed. They weren't just going to pick random RB guy to put on their roster. They targeted Arian Foster, and outpaid the Saints to get him as a UFA.

I'm guessing given their shopping list last year, plus Slaton struggling last year + his injury, that running back moves up the priority list compared to last year.

But even if Slaton had a good year, they would shop for running backs because that's what this offense does.

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 08:24 PM
McNair will okay any free agent Kubiak and Smith bring him. Sans a criminal record. McNair is parroting whatever Kubiak and Smith tell him. If someone Smithiak likes becomes available on the free agent market, the Texans will spin the signing.

Not to mention, signing a free agent without taking care of the guys already on the team (like Ryans and Daniels) won't go over big in the locker room. That's what Smith needs to be concerned with, though I'm not sure if getting these guys a long term deal is likely in under the current labor situation.


McNair said last offseason that the Texans needed another RB. They've known this for several years, now. Time to actually do something about it.

If this is true then Smithiak and Greir are almost in the same boat as the C&C losing factory when it comes to signing FA's. The only difference is Smithiak hasn't over paid to badly for their crappy FA signings.

What has been the one constant in the personel dept during the CC and Smithiak regimes as they relate to FA signings? Bobby Greir

GP
02-10-2010, 09:38 PM
I am scared to death about OD's knee.

His role, and how well he performed in his role, was due to his explosiveness off the snap and getting deep into his routes, twisting around and making the catch while still churning up the field.

I can't see how he's going to be the same. I sure DESIRE for him to be as valuable as he was prior to the injury, but I just can't find a way to be realistically hopeful for it.

That day in Buffalo was like the day I heard Domanick Davis was done for good. Though we don't know if OD is done for good, I mean it sounds like he can rehab and be back again, it still stung the same way it did when I learned DD was done.

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 09:47 PM
Yes there are no assurances about OD's knee.

I hate saying this but OD's money would be better spent elsewhere in FA. (Richard Marshall)

This draft is very deep in TE's. An OD clone can be found in the 4th or 5th Rd. (Pitta)

Lucky
02-10-2010, 09:55 PM
What has been the one constant in the personel dept during the CC and Smithiak regimes as they relate to FA signings? Bobby Greir
So what? We don't know if Grier has any juice with the Texans. We don't know if he's ever had any juice with the Texans. We do know he made some bad picks (and some good ones) with the Pats back when.

Grier's most famous for the owner, Robert Kraft, backing his choice of Terry Glenn over Bill Parcell's preference, DT Darryl Gardner in the 1996 draft. Glenn helped get the Pats to the Super Bowl that season, so I'd say Grier got that one right. Other guys drafted by the Pats while Grier was in the front office:

Drew Bledsoe
Troy Brown
Willie McGinest
Ty Law
Ted Johnson
Curtis Martin
Teddy Bruschi
Lawyer Milloy
Robert Edwards (a good RB prior to his injury)
Damien Woody
Kevin Faulk

How much credit goes or doesn't go to Grier is unknown. But, that's the core of 3 Super Bowl champions that were selected on his watch. Maybe the guy knows more football than some here want to believe?

Lucky
02-10-2010, 10:54 PM
The guys they wanted went before they picked last year--Green and Coffee. They took Caldwell and that ended up being pretty important as the year progressed. They weren't just going to pick random RB guy to put on their roster. They targeted Arian Foster, and outpaid the Saints to get him as a UFA.

But even if Slaton had a good year, they would shop for running backs because that's what this offense does.
Teams maneuver in the draft to pickup the guys they want. If the Texans knew going into the draft that they only liked a couple of guys, they could have found a way pick one of them. The Jets did just that. And made the playoffs. I'm not suggesting that the Jets grabbing Shonn Greene ahead of the Texans was the sole reason they were in the playoffs and the Texans watched from home. But, it was a factor.

Under Kubiak, the Texans have been "shopping" for running backs mainly in the bargain basement. One 3rd rounder (Slaton), one 6th rounder (Wali Lundy), and some assorted UDFAs. Toss in some underwhelming, uninspired free agent signings. The one time the Texans did make a substantial investment (Ahman Green), they wished they hadn't.

Every running back the Broncos touched turned to gold, in the Shanny-Kubiak era. That magic didn't make it on the trip down to Houston. Aside from a glorious half season from Steve Slaton in '08, the Texans rushing attack under Kubiak has been a big fail. Bob McNair has given Kubiak a chance to rectify this problem. But, I don't think he will get credit for just liking a good running back, this time around. Gary Kubiak needs to find a way to get that back (or two) on his roster.

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 11:13 PM
So what? We don't know if Grier has any juice with the Texans. We don't know if he's ever had any juice with the Texans. We do know he made some bad picks (and some good ones) with the Pats back when.

Grier's most famous for the owner, Robert Kraft, backing his choice of Terry Glenn over Bill Parcell's preference, DT Darryl Gardner in the 1996 draft. Glenn helped get the Pats to the Super Bowl that season, so I'd say Grier got that one right. Other guys drafted by the Pats while Grier was in the front office:

Drew Bledsoe
Troy Brown
Willie McGinest
Ty Law
Ted Johnson
Curtis Martin
Teddy Bruschi
Lawyer Milloy
Robert Edwards (a good RB prior to his injury)
Damien Woody
Kevin Faulk

How much credit goes or doesn't go to Grier is unknown. But, that's the core of 3 Super Bowl champions that were selected on his watch. Maybe the guy knows more football than some here want to believe?

We dont know how much imput Greir had with the Pats. I'm sure Parcells had alot of imput in the Pays drafts. Everywhere else Parcells has been he's been the main shot caller in the war room.

Fact is since Greir was hired as pro player personel director the Texans have done a horrible job in FA. Dont expect that to change.

The best draft guru that ever lived (Joel Buschbaum) said in an interview I read years ago that while Greir was a great person he my be overmatched in his job as GM of the Pats.

I remembered this when Greir was hired. Buschbaums opinion carries alot of weight with me. He was one of the hardest working talent evaluators ever. Several teams tried to hire Joel to run their scouting dept. He always said no because he was reclusive. Man he could break down tape though.

RIP Joel Buschbaum.

PS John McClain got alot dumber about football the day Joel Buschbaum died. For that matter we all did. Joel was a great ambassador for the NFL/draft.

mussop
02-11-2010, 05:00 AM
As a businessman and now an NFL owner,McNair like his coach and GM will not let slip any concept of what his team will do in FA or draft imo. He may say we need to improve the run, pressuring the QB, etc but I do not expect to get any nugget of info on who or what team will do.

I dont see why you think that. Last year he pretty much said exactly what we were going to do predraft. This is a quote from him recently.

From McNair


Quote:
"In terms of where we are and what we need, Rick Smith was going to be with us this morning but his flight was delayed. He was flying back from the East Coast and there's bad weather there and he's had trouble getting out. But we need some more depth in the center of our line. You saw what happened this past year. We lost our two starting guards, and then of course we lost (TE) Owen Daniels. But it did affect us and it hurt us in our running game and we certainly need to get some more depth there, and you're also well aware of the fact that we need some more running backs. So those are some things that we're going to be looking at offensively. And defensively, we'd still like a little more help in the center of our defensive line with another defensive tackle if we could improve ourselves there, and we can always use more cornerbacks and we could use another safety.

Texans_Chick
02-11-2010, 12:49 PM
Teams maneuver in the draft to pickup the guys they want. If the Texans knew going into the draft that they only liked a couple of guys, they could have found a way pick one of them. The Jets did just that. And made the playoffs. I'm not suggesting that the Jets grabbing Shonn Greene ahead of the Texans was the sole reason they were in the playoffs and the Texans watched from home. But, it was a factor.

Under Kubiak, the Texans have been "shopping" for running backs mainly in the bargain basement. One 3rd rounder (Slaton), one 6th rounder (Wali Lundy), and some assorted UDFAs. Toss in some underwhelming, uninspired free agent signings. The one time the Texans did make a substantial investment (Ahman Green), they wished they hadn't.

Every running back the Broncos touched turned to gold, in the Shanny-Kubiak era. That magic didn't make it on the trip down to Houston. Aside from a glorious half season from Steve Slaton in '08, the Texans rushing attack under Kubiak has been a big fail. Bob McNair has given Kubiak a chance to rectify this problem. But, I don't think he will get credit for just liking a good running back, this time around. Gary Kubiak needs to find a way to get that back (or two) on his roster.


I think given what happened to Slaton last year, the priority for running back moved up.

Actually picking Caldwell may have saved the Texans bacon last year. Yeah, easy for the Jets to move up in the draft to get specific guys--they had a very veteran team that just needed a few pieces and parts. The Texans could have picked just about any position on defense and got an upgrade, and it happened that Oline depth last year was a big need.

I think they've been trying to make do on offense the best they can due to their system and have desperately tried to fix that defense. They've had another season to draft, so now running back moves up the priority list.

From talking to staff members, I do not think they have an inherent problem with high round running back picks. They just want good value for what they need at the selection.

beerlover
02-11-2010, 12:52 PM
From talking to staff members, I do not think they have an inherent problem with high round running back picks. They just want good value for what they need at the selection.

thanks, that's somewhat reassuring. wish I knew more about Dennison he could be key in the selection process.

ChampionTexan
02-11-2010, 01:00 PM
We dont know how much imput Greir had with the Pats. I'm sure Parcells had alot of imput in the Pays drafts. Everywhere else Parcells has been he's been the main shot caller in the war room.



Keep in mind that the general belief is that Parcells left the Pats to go to the Jets because he didn't think he had enough input. His famous quote about shopping for the groceries was made in regard to the New England Patriots.

He was also pretty open about disagreeing with the Glenn pick.

GuerillaBlack
02-11-2010, 06:22 PM
Peppers is a great player.

You make a spot for Peppers. Drop A.Smith down to DT if you have to. I would pass on signing Dunta, Walter,OD and Pitts to sign Peppers.

McNair wont so this is a moot point.

Or you can look to trade Antonio Smith.

steelbtexan
02-11-2010, 06:32 PM
Keep in mind that the general belief is that Parcells left the Pats to go to the Jets because he didn't think he had enough input. His famous quote about shopping for the groceries was made in regard to the New England Patriots.

He was also pretty open about disagreeing with the Glenn pick.

We dont know how much power Parcells had in N.E.

But I'm sure he had some power and when Kraft overruled him on drafting Glenn,Parcells took offense and basically told Kraft to stick it where the sun dont shine.

steelbtexan
02-11-2010, 06:35 PM
Or you can look to trade Antonio Smith.

Nobody will trade for Antonio Smith with his contract. IMO