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CloakNNNdagger
02-04-2010, 01:19 PM
On the other MB, John McClain has reported that Slaton evidently underwent a cervical discectomy (removal of a herniated/ruptured disc). Following the disc removal, a bone graft is placed in the resulting space (as a spacer), in order that the peripheral nerves coming out of this space are no longer compressed. Just to get back to safely participating in any contact activities, at least a 4-6 month graft healing (stabilizing) period must be allowed. That’s just part of the challenge for return. Numbness, pain and weakness (due to nerve damage from the previous nerve compression) may take months and months, easily a year or more in some cases, to resolve.........if they are ever to resolve. What is important here is that the prognosis for nerve regeneration is directly related to the length of time the nerve is allowed to be significantly traumatized before a decompression procedure is performed. The greater the length of time, the greater the risk of irreversible nerve damage. It appears that Slaton was having problems early on in the 2009 season and continued to play until the end of the season........a significant time frame to surgery. My main concern would be when can he be expected to be adequately rehabbed to perform to “adequate” level. And will he ever regain full reversal of his neurological deficits so important to top performance. 2010 may not be the year to depend on a Slaton “return.”

Cjeremy635
02-04-2010, 01:23 PM
Thanks for the info and the explanation as well. I'm sorry to hear it, but I'm glad we find out now instead of camp or week 2. This gives us the entire off season and the draft to find a great replacement.

Hardcore Texan
02-04-2010, 01:24 PM
Very disheartening news. Rest up and get well soon Mr. Slaton.

Dutchrudder
02-04-2010, 01:30 PM
I hope he gets better :(

In the mean time, this should spur the Texans to get another RB in free agency or the draft. Maybe they will go RB in the 1st round, or twice in the later rounds.

JB
02-04-2010, 01:33 PM
CJ Spiller looks a bit more enticing now.

HuttoKarl
02-04-2010, 01:36 PM
So we may need that 2 RB draft I'm hoping for...or the Chester Taylor big deal.

chicagotexan2
02-04-2010, 01:41 PM
Well that news sucks. I hope he gets better.

theanswer000
02-04-2010, 01:41 PM
All I can say is

C.J. Spiller:kingkong:

Joe Texan
02-04-2010, 01:57 PM
I wonder why all of our Running Backs get injured for the season or career.
Is it our front lins suck or what?


Get well Steve

Thorn
02-04-2010, 01:58 PM
Best of wishes to Slaton. I hope he heals up correctly.

Texecutioner
02-04-2010, 02:00 PM
I'd guess that this means we'll be competing for Clinton Portis, Thomas Jones, or LT if history shows us anything about the RB's that Kubes goes after.

And there is no way that we draft a RB in the first round. No way that happens. That part I do feel good about though.

dalemurphy
02-04-2010, 02:01 PM
I'd guess that this means we'll be competing for Clinton Portis, Thomas Jones, or LT if history shows us anything about the RB's that Kubes goes after.


Who do you want via FA?

HuttoKarl
02-04-2010, 02:02 PM
I'd guess that this means we'll be competing for Clinton Portis, Thomas Jones, or LT if history shows us anything about the RB's that Kubes goes after.

And there is no way that we draft a RB in the first round. No way that happens. That part I do feel good about though.

BARF!

Five years ago I'd have loved that.

Chester Taylor via FA would be much better. Hell...I'd take LenDale White if the price was right.

BIG TORO
02-04-2010, 02:02 PM
Once you have that kind of surgery there never really is a full recovery, His range of motion will never be the same and football is a rough on the neck specially as a RB re injury will be eminent!

HOU-TEX
02-04-2010, 02:04 PM
I hope he gets himself better too. As much as he may not want to hear it, he needs to get right before even thinking about playing football.

dalemurphy
02-04-2010, 02:08 PM
a couple years ago, this kind of news could ruin the off-season. However, we finally have a competant team. The team can actually weather this kind of setback. Kubiak said it will be a 4-6 month recovery and he won't start hitting until training camp. My guess, based on what Cloak wrote, is that they are not counting on him in 2010 but don't want to give their hand away. It's more likely than ever that the Texans select a back in the first two rounds now.

Ole Miss Texan
02-04-2010, 02:08 PM
I feel bad for him, hope he recovers, period. Not just for the 2010 season but for NFL football in general.

Chester Taylor or Peyton Hillis. CJ Spiller or Toby Gerhart. Taylor/Hillis, Foster and Gerhart would be a great 3 RB committee.

dalemurphy
02-04-2010, 02:10 PM
I feel bad for him, hope he recovers, period. Not just for the 2010 season but for NFL football in general.

Chester Taylor or Peyton Hillis. CJ Spiller or Toby Gerhart. Taylor/Hillis, Foster and Gerhart would be a great 3 RB committee.

I would actually be excited about an LT signing. I'm not normally high on RBs at that age with that many hits. But, he hasn't carried too much the past 2 seasons and I think next season he'll be highly motivated to prove SD wrong. Granted, I don't want to sign him to a big contract. But, I don't think anyone will offer him one.

MannyFresh
02-04-2010, 02:14 PM
He's done...

BIG TORO
02-04-2010, 02:20 PM
He's done...

Agree!

ChampionTexan
02-04-2010, 02:23 PM
From McClain's article on 2/2 (just to have a source):

Meanwhile, Kubiak said the prognosis is good for running back Steve Slaton, who underwent surgery two weeks ago.

Slaton underwent a discectomy to relieve pressure on the nerve root that was causing the problem in his spine.

The surgery was performed in Dallas by Dr. Drew Dossett. The Texans said the surgery went well and that recovery will take from four to six months. Kubiak said Slaton will avoid contact until training camp.

LINK (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6847569.html)

HouSportsWriter
02-04-2010, 02:24 PM
can i change my name =[

HouSportsWriter
02-04-2010, 02:26 PM
i wana see lt in a texan uniform because he can be a mintor and he can play



in lt i beleve

HOU-TEX
02-04-2010, 02:27 PM
can i change my name =[

Give him a chance, buddy. At least allow him the time to get himself right.

ChampionTexan
02-04-2010, 02:36 PM
So is a discectomy always a cervical discectomy or are there other types? If there is, do we know that Slaton's discectomy was of that variety? (cause I can't find a source in the Chron, or the other board referring to it as a "cervical" discectomy), and if not all discectomies are created equal, what are the best and worst in terms of likelihood of recovering enough to resume an NFL career?

Answers dangit - I want answers, and I want them now!

Texecutioner
02-04-2010, 02:36 PM
Who do you want via FA?

Chester Taylor more than anyone. I've been a fan of him for years. He's very underrated since he plays behind AP and should have quite a few miles left.

I've been wanting the Texans to go after Peyton Hillis since last off season. He's a Denver product, so he has that going for him. He runs well in between the tackles and can bruise. He's also good in the passing game as well. All purpose back all the way.

I mentioned in another thread that I'd like to try and get Jason Snelling. Now this is a guy that has potential. He's a nice size and has some speed to go with it. Dude runs like a truck.

Those are 3 guys right there that I'd be very happy with. Two of them are very young in Hillis and Snelling and Taylor's been playing back up duty for the last 3 seasons and before that had 1,200 yards for the Vikes when they were terrible.

BIG TORO
02-04-2010, 02:39 PM
So is a discectomy always a cervical discectomy or are there other types? If there is, do we know that Slaton's discectomy was of that variety? (cause I can't find a source in the Chron, or the other board referring to it as a "cervical" discectomy), and if not all discectomies are created equal, what are the best and worst in terms of likelihood of recovering enough to resume an NFL career?

Answers dangit - I want answers, and I want them now!

You can have one trough out the spine but cervical is more critical.

dalemurphy
02-04-2010, 02:40 PM
Chester Taylor more than anyone. I've been a fan of him for years. He's very underrated since he plays behind AP and should have quite a few miles left.

I've been wanting the Texans to go after Peyton Hillis since last off season. He's a Denver product, so he has that going for him. He runs well in between the tackles and can bruise. He's also good in the passing game as well. All purpose back all the way.

I mentioned in another thread that I'd like to try and get Jason Snelling. Now this is a guy that has potential. He's a nice size and has some speed to go with it. Dude runs like a truck.

Those are 3 guys right there that I'd be very happy with. Two of them are very young in Hillis and Snelling and Taylor's been playing back up duty for the last 3 seasons and before that had 1,200 yards for the Vikes when they were terrible.


I like those three options. Though, I think only Chester Taylor is going to be unrestricted. Hopefully, though, Hillis gets a low tender or an outright release.

Buffi2
02-04-2010, 02:40 PM
That is really too bad for Slaton. I think Kubiak's assessment is way optimistic. Slaton needs to do something else besides football before he has a permanent disability.

El Tejano
02-04-2010, 02:42 PM
BARF!

Five years ago I'd have loved that.

Chester Taylor via FA would be much better. Hell...I'd take LenDale White if the price was right.

I've been talking about getting Lendale for some time now. Almost unstoppable at the goal line and noone gives him credit for his ability to make some big runs.

Mr. White
02-04-2010, 02:43 PM
I know I'm gonna catch hell for this, but I think that Lendale White is the guy we need.

He doesn't have the mileage that Portis or LT has.

BIG TORO
02-04-2010, 02:49 PM
Well beat writers Kevin Acee expects the Chargers to release LT before his 2 million roseter bonus comes due on march 5th so he might be available!

Texecutioner
02-04-2010, 02:50 PM
I like those three options. Though, I think only Chester Taylor is going to be unrestricted. Hopefully, though, Hillis gets a low tender or an outright release.

Yeah, I read recently that the Vikes want him back and are going to do everything possible to get keep him there.

Even if Hillis isn't released I'd think the Broncos wouldn't be against trading him for like a 4th rounder or something like that. I mean, they don't use the guy at all and he never seemed to be in the plans with Mcdaniels so why not trade him if other teams want him?

Peep out some of Snelling's highlights when you get a chance. He impressed me this season in the short time that he got to play. This is the only one that I could find. It's not much, but it does show his ability to take hits and keep trucking. Click below.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d812cbec6/Jason-Snelling-Highlight-WK-02-vs-Panthers-2009

Texecutioner
02-04-2010, 02:50 PM
I know I'm gonna catch hell for this, but I think that Lendale White is the guy we need.

He doesn't have the mileage that Portis or LT has.

I wouldn't mind possibly bringing in Lendale either. He didn't play hardly last season either so he should be pretty fresh right now.

El Tejano
02-04-2010, 02:51 PM
I know I'm gonna catch hell for this, but I think that Lendale White is the guy we need.

He doesn't have the mileage that Portis or LT has.

Exactly. He runs with purpose too, and he weakens a division opponent. They haven't really needed him but they sure do like having him waiting in the wings when they need him.

DeMarCushPoll
02-04-2010, 02:54 PM
I hate to hear that about Slaton, but I've been hearing that RB is supposed to be a priority this offseason regardless of his prognosis. I kind of figured that if he came back it would be in a limited 3rd down back type role.

HouSportsWriter
02-04-2010, 02:54 PM
i wana get fa rbs heres who i want off of walterfootball.com


Jerome Harrison (RFA), RB, Browns. Age: 27.
You have to wonder why Eric Mangini didn't use Jerome Harrison earlier in the year. In his final three games, Harrison rushed for 561 yards and five touchdowns despite running behind an offensive line that needs major help on the right side. Harrison is also a solid pass-catcher





Darren Sproles (RFA), RB/KR/PR, Chargers. Age: 27.
because of his kick-returning ability. Darren Sproles is a lightning-quick back who can go the distance at any moment, but it's very telling that he didn't receive 10 or more carries in any game after Week 3 this season.



Leon Washington (RFA), RB/KR, Jets. Age: 28.
Leon Washington was averaging 4.6 yards per carry and 24.1 yards per kickoff return before breaking his leg in October. Washington will complement Shonn Greene as a dynamic third-down back.




and last

Pierre Thomas (RFA), RB, Saints. Age: 25.
Pierre Thomas is a very talented and versatile running back who can go the distance on any play or catch eight balls in a contest. I don't think he could ever shoulder 300 carries in a season, but he's definitely a guy you want to touch the ball 20-25 times per game.



thos are who i would get

ChampionTexan
02-04-2010, 03:01 PM
I like those three options. Though, I think only Chester Taylor is going to be unrestricted. Hopefully, though, Hillis gets a low tender or an outright release.

Hillis is under contract thru the end of the 2011 season, so tendering him as an RFA isn't an option for the Broncos. All they can do is cut him or not cut him (or trade him I guess, but technically, that would fall under the "not cut him" category).

Ckw
02-04-2010, 03:06 PM
That sucks!! Man, I remember meeting the guy at Access, and you couldn't find a nicer guy.

I really feel for the man, especially with all the flack he took for the fumbles. They probably weren't his fault at all but were simply a result of the injury he likely sustained much earlier than he ever let on.

I really hope the guy makes it back. He was an absolute blast to watch his rookie season. What is up with the Houston Texans RB curse?!?!? First Domanick Davis/Williams and now Stevo?!?

El Tejano
02-04-2010, 03:06 PM
i wana get fa rbs heres who i want off of walterfootball.com


Jerome Harrison (RFA), RB, Browns. Age: 27.
You have to wonder why Eric Mangini didn't use Jerome Harrison earlier in the year. In his final three games, Harrison rushed for 561 yards and five touchdowns despite running behind an offensive line that needs major help on the right side. Harrison is also a solid pass-catcher





Darren Sproles (RFA), RB/KR/PR, Chargers. Age: 27.
because of his kick-returning ability. Darren Sproles is a lightning-quick back who can go the distance at any moment, but it's very telling that he didn't receive 10 or more carries in any game after Week 3 this season.



Leon Washington (RFA), RB/KR, Jets. Age: 28.
Leon Washington was averaging 4.6 yards per carry and 24.1 yards per kickoff return before breaking his leg in October. Washington will complement Shonn Greene as a dynamic third-down back.




and last

Pierre Thomas (RFA), RB, Saints. Age: 25.
Pierre Thomas is a very talented and versatile running back who can go the distance on any play or catch eight balls in a contest. I don't think he could ever shoulder 300 carries in a season, but he's definitely a guy you want to touch the ball 20-25 times per game.



thos are who i would get

These guys are restricted free agents. So it will be hard to get them and I'm not sure I want to pay top dollar for them. I do however still like the idea of getting Jerome Harrison or Pierre Thomas.

On another note, I really hope that the Steve Slaton news doesn't mean Chris Brown is still hanging on this team.

The Pencil Neck
02-04-2010, 03:16 PM
Man, I really feel for Slaton. Kid had a lot of heart. I'll be looking forward to him coming back in a couple of years.

But this is why, in another thread, I was saying that maybe it's better to go against common wisdom when it comes to drafting RB's and draft them high (and low) and often.

With this news, I think we need to bring in a pretty good back in FA. I'd love Chester Taylor but I don't see any way that Minnesota lets him loose, especially with AD's fumblitis. But we need to make a push at one or possibly two of the veteran RB's. Then we need to draft a guy in the first or second round and then another guy in the sixth or seventh.

Then we put them on the field with Foster, Moats, and Johnson and let the best men win the job.

We are supposed to be a running team and we need to make the running back a position of strength. We've thrown bodies at other positions, it's time to throw some bodies at the RB.

LonerATO
02-04-2010, 03:21 PM
I know people are calling for Spiller, but I would actually like to get McCluster and not have to use such a high pick on when the team has many needs. Texans could still grab Gerhart as well or go after a bigger back in FA.

El Tejano
02-04-2010, 03:23 PM
Is Lendale a RFA?

infantrycak
02-04-2010, 03:27 PM
Is Lendale a RFA?

Unless there is a new CBA, yes.

rmartin65
02-04-2010, 03:27 PM
I know people are calling for Spiller, but I would actually like to get McCluster and not have to use such a high pick on when the team has many needs. Texans could still grab Gerhart as well or go after a bigger back in FA.

It would have to be Gerhart or McCluster. Gerhart is a second or third rounder, and McCluster is a 3rd/4th. No way the Texans go 2 running backs that close together.

Big Lou
02-04-2010, 03:30 PM
Hope this isn't a Domamick Davis, eh I mean Williams type of situation.

Hopefully he can get healthy first and foremost, and after that we'll see about football.

LonerATO
02-04-2010, 03:32 PM
It would have to be Gerhart or McCluster. Gerhart is a second or third rounder, and McCluster is a 3rd/4th. No way the Texans go 2 running backs that close together.

You never know and didnt this team go back to back TE last year?

TEXANS84
02-04-2010, 04:13 PM
Hell...I'd take LenDale White if the price was right.

No thank you. Too many failed attempts with Titans castoffs, IE- Chris Brown, Robaire Smith

Texanmike02
02-04-2010, 05:20 PM
No thank you. Too many failed attempts with Titans castoffs, IE- Chris Brown, Robaire Smith

I really hope that you're not actually suggesting we don't do it because two other Titans didn't work out with us.

Mike

SAMURAITEXAN
02-04-2010, 07:21 PM
Tough luck for Slaton. We will see how he performs when he comes back. As for RB situation, I wouldn't mind drafting RB in mid rds but, not 1st rd. Hope, we can find a good RB or two through FA so that we won't be in a situation that have to draft early kind of mode.

Go Texans!!!

Fred
02-04-2010, 07:35 PM
I'd guess that this means we'll be competing for Jim Brown, Bronco Nagurski, or Red Grange if history shows us anything about the RB's that Kubes goes after...

Fixed it for ya.

CloakNNNdagger
02-04-2010, 07:55 PM
So is a discectomy always a cervical discectomy or are there other types? If there is, do we know that Slaton's discectomy was of that variety? (cause I can't find a source in the Chron, or the other board referring to it as a "cervical" discectomy), and if not all discectomies are created equal, what are the best and worst in terms of likelihood of recovering enough to resume an NFL career?

Answers dangit - I want answers, and I want them now!

You can have one trough out the spine but cervical is more critical.

"Cervical" only describes the anatomic location within the length of the spine. "Cervical" refers to the neck region as opposed to the thoracic (chest level) or lumbar (abdominal level) regions.

Obviously, the cervical vertebrae have greater range of motion, and are smaller, thinner, flimsier and less supported than their lower counterparts. This makes them easier to injure, more difficult to stabilize, more likely to effect range of motion limitation, and arguably easier to reinjure.


http://static.spineuniverse.com/displaygraphic.php/1671/hs2fig1-BB.jpg

2slik4u
02-04-2010, 07:57 PM
So we may need that 2 RB draft I'm hoping for...or the Chester Taylor big deal.

Is Chester Taylor even possible? Has there been talks? I hope so, that dude is a beast.

Redtexan#34
02-04-2010, 08:06 PM
I agree that given the teams past experience with RBs we will go after a older RB in FA like L. T.(5'10" 221lbs.). ESPN insider under rumors has the Texans as interested in Thomas Jones(5'10" 212lbs.). My opinion, we should sign a back in FA and go after a rookie in 2nd round.
Ryan Mathews - Fresno State 5'11.5" 220lbs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8glIiHp5JoE
Jonathan Dwyer - Ga. Tech 6'0" 235lbs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9Yme2gczU
or 3rd round
Joe McKnight - USC 6'0" 180lbs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPLZagWioUU
Anthony Dixon - Mississippi State 6'1" 245lbs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R07yQOIMCUM&feature=fvst

Hervoyel
02-04-2010, 08:14 PM
I can't get the idea out of my head that this is more or less "career ending" and that just breaks my heart to think about. I certainly hope that's just my classic negativity kicking in and admit that it isn't based on anything other than an enormous fear of neck/spinal injuries. I think if the Texans have a single working brain cell among them though they'll make no plans that depend on Slaton at this point. If he comes back and plays at a high level excellent. Consider it "gravy".

I don't however care for any of the retreads that are likely to be available Ladanian Tomlinson is done. There's not a doubt in my mind about that. When people suggest the Texans sign him my first thought is "What? You didn't get enough Ahman Green?" Thomas Jones is on the downside as well. The Texans should have pursued him back when he was on his way out the door in Phoenix. Getting him now is nothing more than overpaying for a band-aid. I hope we're done making stupid deals for used up or short-timer running backs.

It's day one rookie RB time my friends.

theanswer000
02-04-2010, 08:14 PM
Thomas Jones is a freaking machine. I would not mind getting him for a 2 year deal he could really do a lot of "positive" damage. Chester Taylor is a beast as well but I doubt the vikes let him go after AP is screwing up.

Didnt that fan flick off Thomas Jones bad when he was here last year?

Lendale White is younger and the safer decision. I think he will jump on the oppurtunity to become a starter.

I really feel like if we do not get a back like Slaton though this team is going to suffer. Those screens did a lot of damage. C.J. Spiller is really the only guy I could see taking over that role. Maybe Dexter McCluster, Toby Gerhart is all power and I do not think he will provide exactly what we need. In this draft we need to take atleast 2 lineman. We cannot move the ball no matter how powerful the back is if the lineman get no push.

The Pencil Neck
02-04-2010, 08:19 PM
It's day one rookie RB time my friends.

I'm hoping for Day 1 and Day 2.

And FA.

theanswer000
02-04-2010, 08:24 PM
I'm hoping for Day 1 and Day 2.

And FA.

Hopefully C.J. Spiller in the first or Ryan Matthews in the second. If not possibly Dexter McCluster in the 3rd.

hot pickle
02-04-2010, 08:56 PM
im on the lagarrette blount wagon

Texans34Life
02-04-2010, 10:40 PM
Why not give Arian Foster another shot? I think he would be fine as our RB until Slaton gets healthy.

threetoedpete
02-04-2010, 10:45 PM
From McClain's article on 2/2 (just to have a source):



LINK (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6847569.html)

After Charles Spencer, I don't trust any coach talking about this kind of injury. I won't believe it until i can poke my finger in the wound. So maybe we can catch Reggie or LT on the Free agent rebound ? I'm also wondering what the Steelers are going to do with Limas Sweed ? He has to be getting close to fish or cut bait time.

threetoedpete
02-04-2010, 10:53 PM
No thank you. Too many failed attempts with Titans castoffs, IE- Chris Brown, Robaire Smith

You mean you don't want "Pass me another Biscuit" White ? so maybe their back is up against the wall that Blount and his immaturity is no longer out of the realm of possibility ? There are plenty of RBs on the board. Scouts will have to do a good job is all. So does this mean Slaton was a third down back ? And all of the worrying I did about the guy getting too many touches was justified ? Or was it a case of could of happened to anyone ?

theanswer000
02-04-2010, 10:54 PM
After Charles Spencer, I don't trust any coach talking about this kind of injury. I won't believe it until i can poke my finger in the wound. So maybe we can catch Reggie or LT on the Free agent rebound ? I'm also wondering what the Steelers are going to do with Limas Sweed ? He has to be getting close to fish or cut bait time.

Limas Sweed the wide receiver?

threetoedpete
02-04-2010, 11:01 PM
Limas Sweed the wide receiver?

Yep. Probably get him pretty cheap.

Kevin Walter is dangling.....and we got former folks in Washington who know exactly how good he is. I'm not saying we'll lose him to Washington. But the fact is Jacoby Jones is ready. And they are not going to pay two guys #2 receiver wages. If KW comes in at budget, they'll sign him. If he doesn't they'll take the compensation. Can't protect them all. I also feel like Martinez played well enough on special teams he deserves his shot this summer.

What does RSN mean ?

http://www.nfl.com/players/search?category=name&filter=Limas+Sweed&playerType=current

theanswer000
02-04-2010, 11:26 PM
What does RSN mean ?

http://www.nfl.com/players/search?category=name&filter=Limas+Sweed&playerType=current

Injured Reserved Non Football Injury

Im pretty sure.

Malloy
02-05-2010, 02:11 AM
I hope he gets himself better too. As much as he may not want to hear it, he needs to get right before even thinking about playing football.

Agreed. I was thinking that in retrospect, the fumbles might have been a blessing in disguise for him as they kept him off the field for a while.

Good luck Slaton, get well! :)

wagonhed
02-05-2010, 06:51 AM
I just looked at a couple different sites for info on this procedure and they make it seem pretty minor. They also list 4-6 weeks as the recovery period.

http://www.mayfieldclinic.com/PE-ACDF.htm

BigBull17
02-05-2010, 08:11 AM
CJ Spiller looks a bit more enticing now.

Yeah, think this puts him on the board for us. We now need that spark plug in the back field.

El Tejano
02-05-2010, 08:53 AM
im on the lagarrette blount wagon

Welcome aboard and hold on tight.

Blake
02-05-2010, 08:58 AM
Welcome aboard and hold on tight.

I posted a mock a few days ago with us taking Blount and Stefon Johnson in the draft. Might not be so crazy if Slaton isnt ready.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1358492&postcount=1

HOU-TEX
02-05-2010, 09:03 AM
Originally Posted by hot pickle
im on the lagarrette blount wagon

Welcome aboard and hold on tight.

Please fasten your seatbelts, wait until the person next to you is looking away and then punch him in the face. You are now a part of the Blountwagon.

El Tejano
02-05-2010, 09:40 AM
How would LT do with a FB? I noticed his numbers went down when he didn't have Lorenzo Neal. Leach would be good for him. Even with declining numbers he was averaging 900 yards a season which is better than what we got out of our guys this year.

I think Foster will be good but I believe he's good depth.

El Tejano
02-05-2010, 09:44 AM
I posted a mock a few days ago with us taking Blount and Stefon Johnson in the draft. Might not be so crazy if Slaton isnt ready.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1358492&postcount=1

I've been big on getting Lendale White in FA because I want a bigger back. If we can't get him I want Blount. I posted a thread after I saw him play against Oregon St.

The one thing we need is a guy who can sustain drives for us and we need to be able to do that on the ground. Matt Schaub is going to be able to pick up 1st downs on 1st and 2nd down. It's when the game goes on and is on the line and we have to pick up 3rd and 5 or less. A bigger back helps us do that. Blount and White have kind of the same mold IMO.

cuppacoffee
02-05-2010, 10:01 AM
I feel bad for him, hope he recovers, period. Not just for the 2010 season but for NFL football in general.

Chester Taylor or Peyton Hillis. CJ Spiller or Toby Gerhart. Taylor/Hillis, Foster and Gerhart would be a great 3 RB committee.



I like Gerhart too, but I think we are in the minority here.


:coffee:

CloakNNNdagger
02-05-2010, 11:27 AM
I just looked at a couple different sites for info on this procedure and they make it seem pretty minor. They also list 4-6 weeks as the recovery period.

http://www.mayfieldclinic.com/PE-ACDF.htm

From this piece, you seem to be taking away a very skewed interpretation of this type of injury/surgery. If uncomplicated, the “recovery period” of 6 to 8 weeks refers to “return to work” for the average person..........desk job, etc. Physical limitations, due to symptoms of pain, numbness and weakness are common at this point. If you notice, the link describes a 4-6 month bone graft healing process. This is the minimal time that is given prior to chancing activities which may expose the neck to even minor trauma, let alone football-like trauma. As I originally posted, there is no guarantee of neurological presurgical deficits reversal or the time frame if there is such reversal. Usually by 2 years postoperatively, you will know the full extent of recovery one way or the other. Neck rehab for violent football-like trauma can be a lengthy process, return to pre-injury level performance (if ever achieved) even longer. And, unfortunately, there is always the looming specter of re-injury. Hopefully, Slaton will be able to return to make real contribution to his team. But if he does, it may not be in 2010. Meanwhile, as many have stated, it would be wise for the Texans to pursue some running back "insurance."

threetoedpete
02-05-2010, 01:38 PM
I've been big on getting Lendale White in FA because I want a bigger back. If we can't get him I want Blount. I posted a thread after I saw him play against Oregon St.

The one thing we need is a guy who can sustain drives for us and we need to be able to do that on the ground. Matt Schaub is going to be able to pick up 1st downs on 1st and 2nd down. It's when the game goes on and is on the line and we have to pick up 3rd and 5 or less. A bigger back helps us do that. Blount and White have kind of the same mold IMO.


There are a couple of guys off the radar....and I don't know we're even looking at them....BUT Lonyae Miller of Fresno State and Joseph of TCU are both good looking prospects. Point being....they can be trained to be one cut and go guys. and after four years of this....you should know we're looking for Terrel Davis. I highly doubt they take one of the top two or three running backs.

OK Cloak is this a simple procedure or is the sky falling ? Last time I came across anything like this was with a High school team mate, who was stopped stone cold from playing again. And then several years later, we heard he had beat out everyone on Stephen F. Austin's roster for starting Tail back. Where upon our old school HC, Ron Krammer, got on the phone and once again stopped the guy stone cold dead. I always interpreted this to mean if Dipple got hit once again in the neck region he would basically be a vegetable for the rest of his life. 'Course this was forty years ago.

threetoedpete
02-05-2010, 01:40 PM
Sorry Cloak didn't see your post.

BigWig
02-05-2010, 02:13 PM
We are going to end up being the Spinal Tap of the NFL.
They had 13 drummers that had issues and we ill have running backs with issues ( Dominick , Slaton) might as well throw in Boselli even though he wasnt an r/b.:specnatz:

The Pencil Neck
02-05-2010, 02:58 PM
Why not give Arian Foster another shot? I think he would be fine as our RB until Slaton gets healthy.

We need more than one back. And we need to have depth at running back. We need real competition in training camp at this position.

Arian Foster will get his shot. But we can't afford him turning into another Chris Taylor. And we can't afford to be caught with our pants on the ground if Slaton turns into another Domanick Davis.

El Tejano
02-05-2010, 03:26 PM
We need more than one back. And we need to have depth at running back. We need real competition in training camp at this position.

Arian Foster will get his shot. But we can't afford him turning into another Chris Taylor. And we can't afford to be caught with our pants on the ground if Slaton turns into another Domanick Davis.

I'm hoping that Gary Kubiak remembers how bad his first year here was because he took the wait and see approach with Domanik Davis - Williams. I hope he really starts to look back and say "Okay,I've made this mistake once and will not do that again."

We have to approach it in a way that we are moving on and if Slaton starts to show he can play again, that will be a great thing.

Texans_Chick
02-05-2010, 03:35 PM
Even if Slaton were totally healthy, I think the plans are for drafting running back.

mussop
02-05-2010, 04:00 PM
If Kubiak had any plans other than going into this offseason as if Slaton wasnt here then he should of been fired. RB is the only real weakness this team has.

DT needs depth I wouldnt call it a weakness. Interior OL is deeper than most will admit. Myers, Caldwell, White, Studdard and a healthy Breisel along with 1quality FA pickup is as good as it will get this year. Even the Safety position could be upgraded but is servicable. Barber, Wilson and Ferguson arent the worst safeties in the world.

At RB we have 1 second year player (Foster) that may or may not be a good RB. Who else do we have that we can depend on if they have to play significant minutes? Brown??? NO!!!!! We have NO ONE!!! Getting a RB in here that is dependable is something that cant just be done in FA or the draft. We will be drafting a quality RB AND bringing in a FA if we are smart.

badboy
02-05-2010, 04:14 PM
Even if Slaton were totally healthy, I think the plans are for drafting running back.I tend to agree with Cloak & Dagger that Slaton's neck injury may be more lengthy of a recovery than some expect even if it allows a return to NFL. Will Smith know by Draft if Slaton will return? Does he draft the back he would have if Slaton was healthy and another to replace Steve if only for a half season or so? We have no fast backs. Moats looks good one play then gets stopped the next with 3.9avg. I like Foster's 3 games but do we ink him in as the starter? I am still going with Gerhart in round two and moved CHris Brown into 6th for now.

badboy
02-05-2010, 04:15 PM
If Kubiak had any plans other than going into this offseason as if Slaton wasnt here then he should of been fired. RB is the only real weakness this team has.

DT needs depth I wouldnt call it a weakness. Interior OL is deeper than most will admit. Myers, Caldwell, White, Studdard and a healthy Breisel along with 1quality FA pickup is as good as it will get this year. Even the Safety position could be upgraded but is servicable. Barber, Wilson and Ferguson arent the worst safeties in the world.

At RB we have 1 second year player (Foster) that may or may not be a good RB. Who else do we have that we can depend on if they have to play significant minutes? Brown??? NO!!!!! We have NO ONE!!! Getting a RB in here that is dependable is something that cant just be done in FA or the draft. We will be drafting a quality RB AND bringing in a FA if we are smart.Good post.

Maddict5
02-05-2010, 04:22 PM
DT needs depth I wouldnt call it a weakness. Interior OL is deeper than most will admit. Myers, Caldwell, White, Studdard and a healthy Breisel along with 1quality FA pickup is as good as it will get this year. Even the Safety position could be upgraded but is servicable. Barber, Wilson and Ferguson arent the worst safeties in the world.


typo? pollard?

CloakNNNdagger
02-05-2010, 07:18 PM
On the other MB, John McClain has reported that Slaton evidently underwent a cervical discectomy (removal of a herniated/ruptured disc). Following the disc removal, a bone graft is placed in the resulting space (as a spacer), in order that the peripheral nerves coming out of this space are no longer compressed. Just to get back to safely participating in any contact activities, at least a 4-6 month graft healing (stabilizing) period must be allowed. That’s just part of the challenge for return. Numbness, pain and weakness (due to nerve damage from the previous nerve compression) may take months and months, easily a year or more in some cases, to resolve.........if they are ever to resolve. What is important here is that the prognosis for nerve regeneration is directly related to the length of time the nerve is allowed to be significantly traumatized before a decompression procedure is performed. The greater the length of time, the greater the risk of irreversible nerve damage. It appears that Slaton was having problems early on in the 2009 season and continued to play until the end of the season........a significant time frame to surgery. My main concern would be when can he be expected to be adequately rehabbed to perform to “adequate” level. And will he ever regain full reversal of his neurological deficits so important to top performance. 2010 may not be the year to depend on a Slaton “return.”

You might want to read this link posted today: Will Steve Slaton Be In The Picture in 2010? (http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/2/5/1296660/will-steve-slaton-be-in-the)

I find it amusing that McClain was given credit for my entire post which was meant to be "informational" to our MB. The only detail revealed by McClain was that noted in the 1st line of my post (bolded). I guess that makes me a McClain "Ghost Writer." :spin:

Brisco_County
02-05-2010, 08:07 PM
I think LT is basically the same athlete as Slaton, but with more mileage. 5'10", quick acceleration, fast on the edge, and good hands. I noticed the LT/Slaton similarities in Slaton's first preseason game in 2008. He'd be excellent in our system, assuming the line executes.

You might want to read this link posted today: Will Steve Slaton Be In The Picture in 2010? (http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/2/5/1296660/will-steve-slaton-be-in-the)

I find it amusing that McClain was given credit for my entire post which was meant to be "informational" to our MB. The only detail revealed by McClain was that noted in the 1st line of my post (bolded). I guess that makes me a McClain "Ghost Writer." :spin:

Does McClain read these boards?

After the bone graft is fully healed, wouldn't the neural pathways get progressively better each week? I know it depends on the extent of the nerve trauma, but going by how Slaton feels (unreliably subjective, I know), it doesn't seem too severe. Since he's young, I'd be willing to bet one week's pay that he fully recovers by the middle-to-end of the 2010 season.

What worries me is that he's missing a disc, which could lead to further shock-related injury. I'd be scared to be an RB in the NFL playing with two fused cervical vertebrae. I'd have nightmares of helmet-to-helmets and face mask torquing.

threetoedpete
02-05-2010, 08:50 PM
You might want to read this link posted today: Will Steve Slaton Be In The Picture in 2010? (http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/2/5/1296660/will-steve-slaton-be-in-the)

I find it amusing that McClain was given credit for my entire post which was meant to be "informational" to our MB. The only detail revealed by McClain was that noted in the 1st line of my post (bolded). I guess that makes me a McClain "Ghost Writer." :spin:

Yes , but will there be any residuals in the mail ?

CloakNNNdagger
02-05-2010, 09:02 PM
I think LT is basically the same athlete as Slaton, but with more mileage. 5'10", quick acceleration, fast on the edge, and good hands. I noticed the LT/Slaton similarities in Slaton's first preseason game in 2008. He'd be excellent in our system, assuming the line executes.



Does McClain read these boards?

After the bone graft is fully healed, wouldn't the neural pathways get progressively better each week? I know it depends on the extent of the nerve trauma, but going by how Slaton feels (unreliably subjective, I know), it doesn't seem too severe. Since he's young, I'd be willing to bet one week's pay that he fully recovers by the middle-to-end of the 2010 season.

What worries me is that he's missing a disc, which could lead to further shock-related injury. I'd be scared to be an RB in the NFL playing with two fused cervical vertebrae. I'd have nightmares of helmet-to-helmets and face mask torquing.

In cases like this, you tend to worry more about not the success of the surgical anatomic correction as much as if, how much and when will the neurological deficits resolve. Nerve deficits can be very slow to regenerate. And the longer the time from injury/nerve compression to time of surgery, the more unpredictable these endpoints become. Think of parking your car on your garden hose causing it to be compressed. If the car is moved after a few hours or days, it is unlikely to cause permanent deformity of the hose. However, if the car is left parked on the hose for several months, the hose may never regain its original shape after the car is finally removed. Evidently, whether because of Slaton hiding his symptoms OR the coaches encouraging him to play through his injury, there was a significant lag to decision for surgery. And, of course, there is also that uncertainty of reinjury.

threetoedpete
02-05-2010, 09:18 PM
If ..........edited for band width.
At RB we have 1 second year player (Foster) that may or may not be a good RB. Who else do we have that we can depend on if they have to play significant minutes? Brown??? NO!!!!! We have NO ONE!!! Getting a RB in here that is dependable is something that cant just be done in FA or the draft. We will be drafting a quality RB AND bringing in a FA if we are smart.


How high you draft them doesn't necessarily automatically mean you get a sure fire can't miss or even a better player. I mean unless Reggie takes a severe pay cut , he might be a free agent option. After three years you should trust our scouts & Smith. They'll find someone.

steelbtexan
02-06-2010, 01:04 AM
In cases like this, you tend to worry more about not the success of the surgical anatomic correction as much as if, how much and when will the neurological deficits resolve. Nerve deficits can be very slow to regenerate. And the longer the time from injury/nerve compression to time of surgery, the more unpredictable these endpoints become. Think of parking your car on your garden hose causing it to be compressed. If the car is moved after a few hours or days, it is unlikely to cause permanent deformity of the hose. However, if the car is left parked on the hose for several months, the hose may never regain its original shape after the car is finally removed. Evidently, whether because of Slaton hiding his symptoms OR the coaches encouraging him to play through his injury, there was a significant lag to decision for surgery. And, of course, there is also that uncertainty of reinjury.

What is the chance of re-injury/paralysis?

Regardless RB just went way up on the priority list

There is a need to get atleast 2 RB's including one that would be a feature RB either through the draft/FA or both.

Thorn
02-06-2010, 05:19 AM
Regardless of what happens I just feel so bad for Slaton. The man was a player. I hope he heals up and is normal again.

Grams
02-06-2010, 07:31 AM
Best wishes and hope he is able to have a normal life. Even if that does not include being a footbal player.

Brisco_County
02-06-2010, 10:28 AM
How high you draft them doesn't necessarily automatically mean you get a sure fire can't miss or even a better player. I mean unless Reggie takes a severe pay cut , he might be a free agent option. After three years you should trust our scouts & Smith. They'll find someone.

Worst case, we can pull from the Denver stable. There's Selvin Young, Johnny Torraine, etc.

CloakNNNdagger
02-06-2010, 04:55 PM
What is the chance of re-injury/paralysis?

Regardless RB just went way up on the priority list

There is a need to get atleast 2 RB's including one that would be a feature RB either through the draft/FA or both.

I can't answer that as it may relate to a football player. Many don't make it back to find out. What I can tell you is that half will have some element of degeneration of disc space above and/or below the repaired level. Worsening of these areas can be expected in well over half due to the stresses now being transfered to the "good" levels. Furthermore, it is not uncommon for new areas to degenerated within a few years. Reoperation for cervical discectomy/fusion at one point in time for one reason or another is around 10%, and operation for new level degeneration 10-15." Most of the athlete recommendations to return to sports activities relate to sports such as tennis, weight lifting, golf, maybe basketball. Violent contact sports such as football and rugby don't present much data since, evidently, there are not enough numbers that return.............not only due to fear of reinjury, but also due to continued pain and/or numbness, or failure of return of strength to original level of competition (not unusual).

BIG TORO
02-10-2010, 12:41 PM
Slaton is doing a live chat right now and says:Steve Slaton (12:33:56 PM): The surgery went well. The best possible outcome from surgery happened. Now I am stronger than I was before the surgery. I will be full speed by training camp.

BIG TORO
02-10-2010, 12:43 PM
Beka - Houston, TX, US: Steve, Do you think your nerve injury was somehow linked to your fumbling problem? Also, how do you plan on fixing your fumbling problem? Have any coaches or players given you advice for fixing the problem? Thanks for answering my question #1 Texans fan no matter what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Slaton (12:40:42 PM): As a man, I don't want to say that my injury caused the fumbling problem. But facts show that my right side has been weaker than my left side. With this surgery, I feel 100 percent. I know this problem will be solved. I've watched tape on Tiki Barber and the way he held the ball. It worked for him. So I know it will work for me.

BIG TORO
02-10-2010, 01:22 PM
Big Toro - Sugar land, TX, US: There are many fans who like you and look up to you as a hero, but they also want a hero Running Back who will help take the Texans to the playoffs, do you feel like you have what it takes, that fire inside to be that running back?

Steve Slaton (1:04:42 PM): Yeah, I feel like I have what it takes. On every level of football, I've succeeded - from high school to college to the NFL. I love being the guy who touches the ball when the game is on the line.

Mailman
02-10-2010, 01:28 PM
Stephanie Stradley - Houston, TX, US: With the news that you had neck surgery, fans are obviously very concerned about how you are doing. What is the specific name of the procedure you had, and what did the doctor tell you about your return to playing and for contact? For those who are looking at surgical treatment for their own nerve issues, who was your doctor?

Steve Slaton (12:47:28 PM): It was called cervical fusion. It's probably one of the most simple neck surgeries that you can have. I went to one of the top specialists in this field. He told me other players in the league have had the same surgery. So I just need to take time for it to fully heal. It's going to take about three months.

Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.

BIG TORO
02-10-2010, 02:00 PM
Your right I was one of those and I might be eating crow, it seems Slaton might be back with a Vengeance! Mods need to place "update" on the headline of this thread

badboy
02-10-2010, 02:15 PM
Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.Uh, how about prior to this most recent interiew with the player the basic info we had was part of the spine in the neck was removed and reputable posters saying could be up to two years before a football player could return to the field if at all? Doesn't mean anyone was jumping off the band wagon but just considering options. An example is your car will not start and people you trust say the cracked engine block may lead to you having to get another vehicle. You will probably wait for a diagnosis from an expert but you just may check the auto classifieds just in case.

BIG TORO
02-10-2010, 02:21 PM
Well the engine just spoke and it said VROOM! VROOM!!!!!!!!!

HOU-TEX
02-10-2010, 02:26 PM
Jeff West - Dallas, TX, US: Who's got the better body: Duane Brown or Eric Winston?

Steve Slaton (12:41:49 PM): That's not up to me to decide.

WTF!!? Why would any dude ask this?

Mailman
02-10-2010, 02:29 PM
Uh, how about prior to this most recent interiew with the player the basic info we had was part of the spine in the neck was removed and reputable posters saying could be up to two years before a football player could return to the field if at all? Doesn't mean anyone was jumping off the band wagon but just considering options. An example is your car will not start and people you trust say the cracked engine block may lead to you having to get another vehicle. You will probably wait for a diagnosis from an expert but you just may check the auto classifieds just in case.

Uh, and how about the the fact that prior to this interview the team has said the surgery went well and he is expected to make a full recovery? Or how about the fact that the player has said likewise?

Instead of taking these reported "facts" into account, everyone here is treating the word of one board regular as gospel despite the fact that he is not the treating physician and has no access to Slaton's medical chart. No disrespect intended to said poster, I'm simply reminding you all that there are quite a few unknowns to consider so it might be prudent to back away from the pronouncements some of you are making about Slaton. In a matter of a months this boards has gone from "Slaton out for the year" to "Slaton is done, we need a RB."

Exactly none of you know that.

BIG TORO
02-10-2010, 02:29 PM
WTF!!? Why would any dude ask this?

I will give you one guess!! lol, What did you think about my question? hope I didnt offend him?

Texan_Bill
02-10-2010, 02:33 PM
Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.

signed,

Domanic Davis

:jk:

HOU-TEX
02-10-2010, 02:35 PM
I will give you one guess!! lol, What did you think about my question? hope I didnt offend him?

It was good. There were several good questions as well as some stupid ones. Like the cat that kept asking about his music and crap

Mailman
02-10-2010, 02:43 PM
signed,

Domanic Davis

:jk:

Proves my point.

Domanick Davis' injury is not remotely similar to Slaton's, but because the team was guardedly optimistic about his return, this is offered as proof that Slaton is finished.

They are two different players with two different injuries. The Slaton talk is pure conjecture right now.

Texan_Bill
02-10-2010, 02:51 PM
Proves my point.

Domanick Davis' injury is not remotely similar to Slaton's, but because the team was guardedly optimistic about his return, this is offered as proof that Slaton is finished.

They are two different players with two different injuries. The Slaton talk is pure conjecture right now.

That's exactly where I was going with that.

badboy
02-10-2010, 02:52 PM
Uh, and how about the the fact that prior to this interview the team has said the surgery went well and he is expected to make a full recovery? Or how about the fact that the player has said likewise?

Instead of taking these reported "facts" into account, everyone here is treating the word of one board regular as gospel despite the fact that he is not the treating physician and has no access to Slaton's medical chart. No disrespect intended to said poster, I'm simply reminding you all that there are quite a few unknowns to consider so it might be prudent to back away from the pronouncements some of you are making about Slaton. In a matter of a months this boards has gone from "Slaton out for the year" to "Slaton is done, we need a RB."

Exactly none of you know that.Historically the Texans comments on the health of their players have been vague at best. Any injury as significant as cervical surgery, will always wave a red flag for me. Also the "fact" that a player tells me anything about his injury goes in one ear and out the other. Most of them would crawl onto the game field. Research the comments made by the Texans on the health of one Tony Boselli who was cleared by Texans doctors. Here is a link
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/tony-boselli/
http://cjonline.com/stories/101602/spo_boselli.shtml

If Slaton can return with no risk to his health, great. He is a very good player when healthy.

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 02:54 PM
I can't answer that as it may relate to a football player. Many don't make it back to find out. What I can tell you is that half will have some element of degeneration of disc space above and/or below the repaired level. Worsening of these areas can be expected in well over half due to the stresses now being transfered to the "good" levels. Furthermore, it is not uncommon for new areas to degenerated within a few years. Reoperation for cervical discectomy/fusion at one point in time for one reason or another is around 10%, and operation for new level degeneration 10-15." Most of the athlete recommendations to return to sports activities relate to sports such as tennis, weight lifting, golf, maybe basketball. Violent contact sports such as football and rugby don't present much data since, evidently, there are not enough numbers that return.............not only due to fear of reinjury, but also due to continued pain and/or numbness, or failure of return of strength to original level of competition (not unusual).

Thanks for the info

This sounds like a difficult injury for a golfer,much less a RB.

Hervoyel
02-10-2010, 02:56 PM
Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.

First: With the Texans history of being less than forthcoming about injuries and Domanick Davis in our rear view mirror I think people have every right to be concerned to the point of expecting the worst. It's not like there isn't plenty of precedent for it.

Second Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to put the rock on the ground every time he touches the football. That's absolutely as true as what you just said. He had a brilliant rookie season but damn man, he was a fumbling machine last season. I was worried almost every time he touched the football. If you don't understand how that can knock a bunch of folks off of your bandwagon then I don't know any other way to explain it to you. Add to that the slow start he got where he absolutely looked slow and chubby and it's a no brainer to me. He's got to prove it all over again and that's not just fair, it's tremendously common in the NFL. Until he can and does he's just another flash in the pan.

Mailman
02-10-2010, 02:56 PM
Historically the Texans comments on the health of their players have been vague at best. Any injury as significant as cervical surgery, will always wave a red flag for me. Also the "fact" that a player tells me anything about his injury goes in one ear and out the other. Most of them would crawl onto the game field. Research the comments made by the Texans on the health of one Tony Boselli who was cleared by Texans doctors. Here is a link
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/tony-boselli/
http://cjonline.com/stories/101602/spo_boselli.shtml

If Slaton can return with no risk to his health, great. He is a very good player when healthy.


See, that's a reasonable response and I don't disagree with any of it. However, he just had the surgery and we are still two months away from the draft and five months from the start of training camp. Until we have more information about his medical situation, it's all guesswork right now, even if it is educated.

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 03:01 PM
Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.

I thik everybody on this MB hopes Slaton makes it back. Is it wrong to plan for the future as if SS wont be back this year? This appears to be a serious injury. Slaton doesn't know for sure that he'll be back. Neither does anybody else. This situation is currently fluid. IMHO

It would be poor planning if Smithiak didn't have an alternative plan.

BIG TORO
02-10-2010, 03:15 PM
With my medical knowledge my common sense tells me he wouldnt be back this year and he will probably injure himself again if he does! But the man says he is good and full speed ahead! Time will tell!

Texans_Chick
02-10-2010, 03:20 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/LiveChat.asp

Above is the link for the live chat. I tried my best asking questions I thought people here would want to know.:whip:

After the 2006 season, and the stuff that went on with Domanick Davis (Williams), Kubiak made a big point that they will never assume that a player will be back from injury.

I hope Slaton is all good. But I'm sure they are going to get some help. Fix the running game has become a broken record.

HOU-TEX
02-10-2010, 03:22 PM
It was nice seeing his comment about Pitts. Now I guess we wait and see what we decide to do about him. I want to keep him.

Jon - Tomball, TX, US: How do you feel about the depth on the OL now that alot of people got some much needed playing time and have you talked with Chester Pitt's, just wondering how his injury is doing? Thanks

Steve Slaton (12:57:55 PM): I feel positive going into the season with our O-line. I've worked with both groups and I feel they're both capable of opening up big running lanes. As far as Chester Pitts, he's ready to go right now.

badboy
02-10-2010, 03:32 PM
It was nice seeing his comment about Pitts. Now I guess we wait and see what we decide to do about him. I want to keep him.Great info HOUTEX and thanks for sharing this. A thread I created a couple weeks ago asking about injury updates was merged and I have nothing since. I have changed my opinion and think Pitts will be re-signed at a reasonable deal. We know what we have in this very steady, solid LG. He is a big strong dude, familiar with ZBS and the players. He has had Kubes support and is always on the field. He will help Duane Brown and Myers and the running game. I will be surprised if we used a draft pick above 4 on a OG. I will now post my most recent mock.

HOU-TEX
02-10-2010, 03:56 PM
Great info HOUTEX and thanks for sharing this. A thread I created a couple weeks ago asking about injury updates was merged and I have nothing since. I have changed my opinion and think Pitts will be re-signed at a reasonable deal. We know what we have in this very steady, solid LG. He is a big strong dude, familiar with ZBS and the players. He has had Kubes support and is always on the field. He will help Duane Brown and Myers and the running game. I will be surprised if we used a draft pick above 4 on a OG. I will now post my most recent mock.

If we do decide to keep Pitts, I still want Myers replaced. I was watching some of the Phins game at lunch and he was pushed backwards on running plays a couple times in the short time I was able to watch. I think it was McDaniel (everage, at best) that beat him pretty bad. Personally, he'd be the first I'd replace and RG would be 2nd. Somebody (Caldwell!!) needs to step up and take the position or we need to find somebody that will.

We've got like 6-7 games against 3-4 teams this season. If we don't improve the interior we will be in the same predicament as this past season with our running game

Mailman
02-10-2010, 04:07 PM
For all the "Boselli/Domanick Davis/can't trust the Texans" talk, here's a name in rebuttal:

Andre Johnson

I had him on my fantasy team that season, so I remember how many of us thought his 2007 season was over because he didn't return from the knee sprain within 2-3 weeks, especially right after the team released more information detailing the nature of the injury. AJ came back with a vengeance the very same year (too late for my fantasy team, however).

At the time, CND posted about the potential for reinjury in the future, and many here took that in the most negative light possible. Then, when AJ had the knee scoped in the offseason, many an eyebrow raised in TT land, even though CND was positive about it.

Perhaps we should stop assuming the worst about the coaching/medical staff just because of what happened with Double D?

CloakNNNdagger
02-10-2010, 08:47 PM
I have always tried to post "background" on medical issues solely to afford MB members a basic understanding of injuries in question.........at the same time qualifying that indeed none of us have access to exact details of specific medical histories. These backgrounders are presented from a neutral standpoint. They are based on fact and logic. There may be "superhealers" out there that fall out of the realistic recovery to full performance period. But, there are many more that follow the longer conservative interval for return.................or fall out altogether. "Simple" is a lay term. "Cervical fusion," virtually always accompanied by discectomy, may be a relatively "simple" operation to perform. But it is a "major" surgery, which carries with it not only significant risks of the bone graft procedure anatomically, but also the unknowns as to the ultimate functional recovery.........more importantly, not of a couch potato, but of a full-contact football "warrior."

I remain hopeful, but guarded as to the time span and extent of Slaton's recovery.

awtysst
02-10-2010, 09:03 PM
Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.

I don't think people jumped off the bandwagon, they were concerned with the injury. Now Steve Slaton claimed he was fine and would be 100% by camp. But what else is he going to say? He has to remain positive in order to complete his rehab and recovery.

Plus, CloakNNNdagger has shown over the years to be quite knowledgeable when it comes to medical situations. When CND speaks, I listen. I trust CND who has a strong medical background over a player who knows nothing about medicine.

awtysst
02-10-2010, 09:04 PM
I have always tried to post "background" on medical issues solely to afford MB members a basic understanding of injuries in question.........at the same time qualifying that indeed none of us have access to exact details of specific medical histories. These backgrounders are presented from a neutral standpoint. They are based on fact and logic. There may be "superhealers" out there that fall out of the realistic recovery to full performance period. But, there are many more that follow the longer conservative interval for return.................or fall out altogether. "Simple" is a lay term. "Cervical fusion," virtually always accompanied by discectomy, may be a relatively "simple" operation to perform. But it is a "major" surgery, which carries with it not only significant risks of the bone graft procedure anatomically, but also the unknowns as to the ultimate functional recovery.........more importantly, not of a couch potato, but of a full-contact football "warrior."

I remain hopeful, but guarded as to the time span and extent of Slaton's recovery.

Thank you as always for explaining the situation to the rest of us!

threetoedpete
02-10-2010, 09:22 PM
I have always tried to post "background" on medical issues solely to afford MB members a basic understanding of injuries in question.........at the same time qualifying that indeed none of us have access to exact details of specific medical histories. These backgrounders are presented from a neutral standpoint. They are based on fact and logic. There may be "superhealers" out there that fall out of the realistic recovery to full performance period. But, there are many more that follow the longer conservative interval for return.................or fall out altogether. "Simple" is a lay term. "Cervical fusion," virtually always accompanied by discectomy, may be a relatively "simple" operation to perform. But it is a "major" surgery, which carries with it not only significant risks of the bone graft procedure anatomically, but also the unknowns as to the ultimate functional recovery.........more importantly, not of a couch potato, but of a full-contact football "warrior."

I remain hopeful, but guarded as to the time span and extent of Slaton's recovery.

Everything I posted about this is true to the best of my knowledge. I still say i won't absolutely believe it until I see the guy suited up and absorbing a blow from a linebacker. I hope the guy comes back and gets paid. But I also know what I know. This isn't just a broken arm.

Mailman
02-10-2010, 10:01 PM
Here's a thread (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52861) to remind everyone about not jumping to conclusions without the benefit of all the facts.

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 10:05 PM
I don't think people jumped off the bandwagon, they were concerned with the injury. Now Steve Slaton claimed he was fine and would be 100% by camp. But what else is he going to say? He has to remain positive in order to complete his rehab and recovery.

Plus, CloakNNNdagger has shown over the years to be quite knowledgeable when it comes to medical situations. When CND speaks, I listen. I trust CND who has a strong medical background over a player who knows nothing about medicine.

This MB is very lucky to have someone of C-N-D's knowledge trying to explain the intracies of injuries/surgeries. He usually lays out best/wosrt case senarios.

I just want to say thanks for taking the time to explain things to a layman like me. In a way that's easy to understand.

C-N-D

I would rep you if I could.

Thanks

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 10:14 PM
Here's a thread (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52861) to remind everyone about not jumping to conclusions without the benefit of all the facts.

Knnes are one thing, necks are another.

Ask M.Irvin,F.Bush,Alstott or Moose Johnston about playing football and neck injuries.

Not many players make it back from neck injuries that require sugery and continue their NFL careers.

I hope Slaton beats the odds. It's sad to see a guy with his talent go down.

Mailman
02-10-2010, 10:16 PM
This MB is very lucky to have someone of C-N-D's knowledge trying to explain the intracies of injuries/surgeries. He usually lays out best/wosrt case senarios.

I just want to say thanks for taking the time to explain things to a layman like me. In a way that's easy to understand.

C-N-D

I would rep you if I could.

Thanks

Explaining diagnoses and whatnot is great. I appreciate it, too. However, giving conclusions (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=980993&postcount=17) based on media reports is speculative and not based on the actual medical reports. And y'all eat it up and go crazy with paranoia under the supposition that every injury-related piece of news that comes from the Texans is not credible.

Mailman
02-10-2010, 10:17 PM
Knnes are one thing, necks are another.



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theanswer000
02-10-2010, 10:31 PM
Today in the chat with him he said he will be full speed come off-season.

I feel a lot better about his situation.

CloakNNNdagger
02-10-2010, 10:54 PM
Here's a thread (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52861) to remind everyone about not jumping to conclusions without the benefit of all the facts.

Shortly after the last post of the above thread, Merriman, after just one game, changed his mind about his ability to play on his injured knee, and smartly underwent his needed reconstruction.