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beerlover
02-03-2010, 03:14 PM
Round 1: Bose State CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 190
Big upper body, cut & plays physical. Competitive, confident matches up with teams #1 WR in man coverage. Does has some expereince @ FS. Lions staff coached @ the Senior Bowl, would like the tandem of Lous Delmas, FS paired with Kyle Wilson, CB but not if the Texan can take him first. Reminds me alot of Dunta Robinson when he first came into the league, except he seems stronger with position & hands, will jump route, has great intincts & and ball awareness. Wilson is considered the best cover-corner in the Senior Class which also means he's seasoned & mature possilbly more prepared for the NFL than even the top Juniors. Still despite Bosie States lack of national exposure Kyle did make 2nd team All-American & helped his team defeat an excellent TCU team in Tostitos Fiesta Bowl 17-10 (forced fumble, sack & two break-ups, 3 tackles) For his Bronco career Kyle had 159 tackles, 11 Int's, 27 passing break-ups & 959 punt return yards. Texans priority need would be #1 CB going into next season if Dunta Robinson is not re-signed & walks away a free-agent. Luckily the Texans will have a resolution to this situation prior to the draft which is in April.

Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’1” 235
The Texans would have been at least a game better had they had a better short yard running game. Enter Toby Gerhart. A player that rarely (if ever) is stopped in his tracks; he consistently falls forward when getting tackled. Gerhart posses surprising agility for a player of his size, and he uses it to great advantage. One of the reasons Gerhart is so good at yards after contact is he rarely allows the defender to get a good bead on him. Gerhart is also a willing blocker, but could use some work in this area. He has the size and strength to be one of the best at it. Gerhart is a decent as a receiver out of the backfield. He was not asked to do it much, but when given the chance he performed admirably. The biggest concern about Gerhart is ball security. While (I don’t think) he has been charged with a lost fumble, he does occasionally hold the ball a little loosely. We feel that this is a problem that could be easily corrected with proper coaching. The end sum is Gerhart is not just a power back; he is the real deal. A blue collar, hard working football player that will do anything to see his team win.

Round 3: Alabama LG Mike Johnson, 6'5" 306

Address OL same draft slot as last year (C/OG Antoine Caldwell) familarity playing next to each other (most scouts consider Johnson played better last year next to Caldwell). Hence, draft stock has slipped a little & could still be on the board. Excellent pulling guard for ZBS, footwrok & hand placement to engage then seperate in 2nd level. Natural & fluid, struggles to anchor, plays high but with quick feet will work & reset anchor when leverage lost, very active has internal clock to release downfield. Starting OL would look like this- LT Duane Brown, LG Mike Johsnon, C Chris Myers, RG Antoine Caldwell, RT Eric Winston. Should be great camp competition for starting OL positions (Studdard is going to battle to keep his job & Brisel will do the same). A side story may be if Caldwell kicks inside to Center during Fall & pre-season next to his old LG. As expected Pitts moves elsewhere via free agency.

Round 4: East Carolina University DT Linval Joseph, 6'6" 322

Underclassman, no need to worry has been productive since day one, elite size uses bull rush to dominante defender inside usually requiring double team. Space eater with some penetration skills, a stiff diet & workout regime would keep him lean & mean around 315. A two-time All-Conference USA player, Joseph made 60 tackles last season, including a team-high 13 tackles behind the line of scrimmage. He totaled 143 tackles, 29.5 tackles for loss and 6.5 sacks in 41 career games. Starting DL would look like this- LDE Antonio Smith, NT Linval Joseph, RDT Amobi Okoye, RDE Mario Williams. This would allow both Smith & Mario to play their natual positions, should also help free Amobi to penetrate more quickly. If the Texans can develop a potent pass rush with only four it allows more freedom to take away routes & mis-matches that have killed Texans in past.

Round 5a: Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes, 6’ 210
Barnes was the leading receiver in the FCS last year, averaging 11.9 receptions a game, that’s 3 more per game than the number 2. Not only does he catch a lot, he gets a lot of TD’s. 16 in the regular season, 3 in the bowl game. Barnes will not put up the sexy measurables that GMs want in a receiver. He is not tall, not overly fast or agile. He just gets separation, and if a ball comes his way, he catches it. We see receiver becoming a potential need in the future. AJ is an 8 year pro, and may (or may not) be leaving the Texans if winning is not done soon. Walter had a rather lackluster year, JJ is still a project (but getting better), and the others are no more than role player. Barnes can become an ideal number 2, and will take full advantage of learning from one of the best in the game.

Round 5b: Iowa ILB Pat Angerer, 6’ 235
As we progress further down in the draft, immediate impact took a backseat to depth and potential. And a place that is startlingly thin is ILB. Behind DeMeco we have…Kevin Bently. Angerer is undersized but does not play like it. He is like a Brian Cushing, if there is contact; he wants a part of it. Angerer gets a bad rap as being unathletic; this simply is not the case. While he is not the athletic freak that some players are, Angerer possesses a suitable amount to be a player in this league for 10-12 years. He is a very smart player, a must from the ILB position. One area of concern is his blitzing, as he was not asked to do that much at Iowa.

Round 6: Clemson OG/C Thomas Austin, 6'3" 310

This Clemson offensive linemen 6'3" 310lbs was rated by Mel Kiper as top senior center for 2010 draft prior to last season. Rated #4 OG by Phil Steele and Lindy's. 3 time offensive lineman of the week in ACC; first time since 1989 when Stacy Long won. 206 career knock downs. While Pouncy and JD Walton seemingly drew more attention last season, Austin quietly returned to starting at OG rather than splitting between center & guard. Pass blocking: "Good initial punch to jar the DT; slides well with knees bent staying square with defender." Run blocking:"Good leg drive and strength to push back defender. Anchors well against bull rush". Negative:often takes a step back before anchoring & therefore impedes runner. This is a training issue but might push him down in the pecking order. Not surprised if he goes before our pick. I like him as eventual replacement for Myers.

Round 7: LSU Returner Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 170 lbs
For our 7th round pick we decided to go with a returner with gamebreaking speed. Called by some the fastest player to ever play college football, Holliday will be our Joshua Cribbs.; Stud returner that sees the field 3-5 times a game on offense to keep the D on their toes. Trindon Holliday is surprisingly agile for a sprinter; watch some of the highlight vids in the thread. His size is what is going to keep him down in the draft. However, I have not seen any sign of him shying away from hits. He will not be asked to run up the middle, just the occasional stretch run or screen. In the NFL, speed kills. And this little guy has enough to be a certified assassin.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

beerlover
02-03-2010, 03:24 PM
Alright guys went ahead & posted our work. Hope everyone enjoy's :)

This was a true labor of love & collaborative effort. Thanks to board members rmartin65 & badboy for all their time & tireless effort, this is all about them. Very satisfying expereince, this proves there are great people on this board who are passionate about their Texans. Also thanks to the mods for providing such a wonderful forum, overseeing etiquette & rules of order are followed, you guys don't ever receive enough credit :vinny:

theanswer000
02-03-2010, 03:24 PM
I like Kyle Wilson a lot and I have been talking about him for along time now. But he did really great at the senior bowl and he will probably do some crazy things at the combine. I see him going before we pick. Which is good bc someone worthy of going that high is going to sink. Hopefully it is Brian Price or Dan Williams. I dont like taking Toby that high but I know he is not going to be available when we pick in the 3rd. Mike Johnson would be a great pick up and I like Angerer a lot also. And considering if we do sign Dunta KW will unlikely be our first pick.

Overall it is a great mock.

infantrycak
02-03-2010, 03:30 PM
This is merely a quibble with the commentary on Walter and JJ - they were #4 and #5 on highest % receptions when thrown to in the league at 77.9% and 77.1%.

Nice work. I'm not convinced on Gerhart that high. Do y'all have any video links for these guys? That would really help.

Blake
02-03-2010, 03:31 PM
Good job guys. Thanks for the in depth info on the players. I really like our 3rd pick, Mike Johnson. Lets get them Bama boys on the Oline this year.

Ole Miss Texan
02-03-2010, 03:47 PM
First off, excellent excellent work by you three. Best most well thought out mock I've seen. Always interesting to see where some guys are projected to fall (often times its wishful thinking)... but you really never can tell. Never thought Adibi would drop to us in the 4th rd... Winston in the 3rd?

Round 1: Bose State CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 190
Thumbs up. If Dunta walks, starting CB is vital. I like this kid's upside as well as his ability to impact immediately. Could be the #1 CB we always wanted.

Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’1” 235
Supportive of the pick although not overly excited. Of the 'more powerful' backs, I assume Dwyer was long gone... but do yall like Gerhart over Ryan Matthews?

Round 3: Alabama LG Mike Johnson, 6'5" 306
Thumbs up. Great value with him in the 3rd round. Havn't kept up with him lately but it sounds like his stock is dropping. I think he'd be a great LG for us.

Round 4: East Carolina University DT Linval Joseph, 6'6" 322
Thumbs up. I have a feeling Joseph will be getting some interest. I think he'd be a great addition as a 4th who rotates with our other DTs throughout the season.

Round 5a: Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes, 6’ 210
Indifferent. Not familiar with Barnes. Andre and Jacoby are speedy guys. If Walter leaves, we need a possession receiver and this guy sounds like that.

Round 5b: Iowa ILB Pat Angerer, 6’ 235
Thumbs up. Another case of a value pick. I was very impressed with his play (only paid attention to him in the bowl game). Love how he plays.

Round 6: Clemson OG/C Thomas Austin, 6'3" 310
Thumbs up. I havn't watched him closely but there's been lots of talk of his ability to fit in this offense. Good value in the 6th round.

Round 7: LSU Returner Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 170 lbs
Thumbs up. I like taking a flyer on a guy like this. With drafting Holliday and Barnes, what WR's do you see leaving? Andre, Walter, Jacoby, Davis, Anderson, Martinez + Barnes, Holliday. Does Davis get cut b/c of his contract and Holliday take over KR duties? Walter leaves through FA? Martinez to the PS?

Again guys, great job. really well thought out and realistic. Takes our needs into account but also addresses value with each selection. Half the guys would make a considerable impact from Week 1.

badboy
02-03-2010, 03:59 PM
Just a little behind the scene info so you guys can laugh with us. We had to redo our mock many times as one of us would receive info that raised or lowered our expectations. The big thing we had to deal with (other than our individual opinions)was the old "get a similar player, later round." Problem with that is that player could be gone when our turn came. Each of you has seen players like Iupati, Earl Thomas, Pouncy and others moving all over the board depending on who was commenting. We discussed many players and pulled each apart. It is hard to back up from your position on a guy you really want & listen to others opinions. I want to publically thank my two co-drafters on the hours put in on this project. Good work guys! Unfortunately, this mock will only last a short period as new info comes in and the combine begins. Free agency will also play a role. Steve

beerlover
02-03-2010, 04:08 PM
This is merely a quibble with the commentary on Walter and JJ - they were #4 and #5 on highest % receptions when thrown to in the league at 77.9% and 77.1%.

Nice work. I'm not convinced on Gerhart that high. Do y'all have any video links for these guys? That would really help.

Round 1: Bose State WR Kyle Wilson 5'10" 190
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxpdHHWKLiE
Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’1” 235
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbmDmNSLUz8
Round 3: Alabama LG Mike Johnson, 6'5" 306
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0cOWY-ig80
Round 4: East Carolina University DT Linval Joseph, 6'6" 322
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu9sFXqtPUk
Round 5a: Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes, 6’ 210
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw0a-5xV--w
Round 5b: Iowa ILB Pat Angerer, 6’ 235
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NpRbgzYTY0
Round 6: Clemson OG/C Thomas Austin, 6'3" 310
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrATrcWypLs
Round 7: LSU Returner Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 170 lbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Q0vlN6Pe8

badboy
02-03-2010, 04:22 PM
First off, excellent excellent work by you three. Best most well thought out mock I've seen. Always interesting to see where some guys are projected to fall (often times its wishful thinking)... but you really never can tell. Never thought Adibi would drop to us in the 4th rd... Winston in the 3rd?

Round 1: Bose State CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 190
Thumbs up. If Dunta walks, starting CB is vital. I like this kid's upside as well as his ability to impact immediately. Could be the #1 CB we always wanted.

Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’1” 235
Supportive of the pick although not overly excited. Of the 'more powerful' backs, I assume Dwyer was long gone... but do yall like Gerhart over Ryan Matthews?

Round 3: Alabama LG Mike Johnson, 6'5" 306
Thumbs up. Great value with him in the 3rd round. Havn't kept up with him lately but it sounds like his stock is dropping. I think he'd be a great LG for us.

Round 4: East Carolina University DT Linval Joseph, 6'6" 322
Thumbs up. I have a feeling Joseph will be getting some interest. I think he'd be a great addition as a 4th who rotates with our other DTs throughout the season.

Round 5a: Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes, 6’ 210
Indifferent. Not familiar with Barnes. Andre and Jacoby are speedy guys. If Walter leaves, we need a possession receiver and this guy sounds like that.

Round 5b: Iowa ILB Pat Angerer, 6’ 235
Thumbs up. Another case of a value pick. I was very impressed with his play (only paid attention to him in the bowl game). Love how he plays.

Round 6: Clemson OG/C Thomas Austin, 6'3" 310
Thumbs up. I havn't watched him closely but there's been lots of talk of his ability to fit in this offense. Good value in the 6th round.

Round 7: LSU Returner Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 170 lbs
Thumbs up. I like taking a flyer on a guy like this. With drafting Holliday and Barnes, what WR's do you see leaving? Andre, Walter, Jacoby, Davis, Anderson, Martinez + Barnes, Holliday. Does Davis get cut b/c of his contract and Holliday take over KR duties? Walter leaves through FA? Martinez to the PS?

Again guys, great job. really well thought out and realistic. Takes our needs into account but also addresses value with each selection. Half the guys would make a considerable impact from Week 1.I had Wilson on my board from early season as he just flat out impressed me from last year, but Boise State, you know? I had him ranked just ahead of Jerome Murphy South Florida who is taller and 4.48 to Wilson 4.42 and just behind Perrish Cox. I really like Perrish but he has a discipline issue. He busted curfew twice week before the Senior Bowl game and that spells Knuckle head. He might work thru that but I hesitate to select him in first round. WIlson projects on my board to end of first but expect him to move up after combine. Like the Beatles song "If you want it, here it is. Come and get but it may not last."
Same with Gerhart. I began mock this season pushing Jonathan Dwyer who will go after our pick in first 21-32 probably. I was clobbered for using his last Bowl game to switch 100 % behind Gerhart. RMartin 65 brought him to my attention and the white boy got game. TG just powers every run and seems to avoid direct hits. I worry about his attempts career 671 3522 over 1/2 this last season. He just played stronger as the game progresses. His last game, with his starting QB out everyone watching knew he would have the ball. 32 attempts 135 yds 4.2 avg.in a 4 point loss to OK. The kid stepped up and carried the team. Dwyer is a player and if he lands on Texans, great. Gerhart? A true cut above.

Mike Johnson was a struggle for me. I see him more as a power guard and he blocked well for the HEISMAN RB. I don't see him at our pick but hope I am wrong cause he will grade out as a Pitts type if not better. I was looking at Petrus in third but he had some issues blocking in Seniors.

Hardcore Texan
02-03-2010, 04:28 PM
You guys should really put in more effort, it's like you barely even tried.

:jk: Great job! Rep for each of ya.

One thing that stuck out to me is you guys seem to be pretty high on Freddie Barnes, what is making you think he will be there in the 5th round. (I know nothing about him, just going by what I am reading here, and he sounds like a great player by the details y'all gave).

Again, good work :clap:

Insideop
02-03-2010, 07:04 PM
Again guys, great job. really well thought out and realistic. Takes our needs into account but also addresses value with each selection. Half the guys would make a considerable impact from Week 1.

I have to agree with OM on this. Y'all did a great job! :clap:

Even though I don't know much about some of the players you selected in the later rounds I would be very happy with this draft if that's the way it falls. You hit on most of the needs of the team (except kicker) and they all look like pretty good value. Gerhart may be the only one taken a little too early, though I understand the reason why, and I wouldn't mind getting him even if it is somewhat of a reach. The dude looked like a white Earl Campbell out there running over LBer's and DB's. Anyway, nice job and looking forward to your updates!

rmartin65
02-03-2010, 09:57 PM
Thanks everyone. We did our best to be objective and realistic, and it was a great time.

badboy and beerlover- Again, this was great. It was a blast to debate with you two and put this together.

rmartin65
02-03-2010, 09:59 PM
You guys should really put in more effort, it's like you barely even tried.

:jk: Great job! Rep for each of ya.

One thing that stuck out to me is you guys seem to be pretty high on Freddie Barnes, what is making you think he will be there in the 5th round. (I know nothing about him, just going by what I am reading here, and he sounds like a great player by the details y'all gave).

Again, good work :clap:

Barnes will lack the sexy measurables at the combine. I dont see him going before the 4th, but the 5th really is more likely. There are some many good players in this draft, people are going to fall.

theanswer000
02-03-2010, 10:04 PM
It really is a great mock but I just have the worst feeling he is not going to be there. He is known for his extreme athletic ability and at the combine he is going to show that off big time. The Raiders might take him haha.

Talking about Kyle Wilson

rmartin65
02-03-2010, 10:07 PM
Round 7: LSU Returner Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 170 lbs
Thumbs up. I like taking a flyer on a guy like this. With drafting Holliday and Barnes, what WR's do you see leaving? Andre, Walter, Jacoby, Davis, Anderson, Martinez + Barnes, Holliday. Does Davis get cut b/c of his contract and Holliday take over KR duties? Walter leaves through FA? Martinez to the PS?

Again guys, great job. really well thought out and realistic. Takes our needs into account but also addresses value with each selection. Half the guys would make a considerable impact from Week 1.

We did not really see Holliday as a receiver. He would pretty much be strictly a returner, only getting a handful of looks a game on offense.

In my opinion, I see the receivers making the roster are as follows: AJ, Walter (if resigned), JJ, Anderson, and Barnes. If Walter is not resigned, then pick one of the other guys to take his spot. Davis is not worth the cash, and Martinez would be replaced and upgraded by Holliday.

steelbtexan
02-03-2010, 11:53 PM
Great Mock

Repped Got M65and BB got to spread the rep BL.

Very realistic

I'm not as high on Gerhart as you guys but I do like him. There needs to be a S in there somewhere. popprobably the 5th rd.

Barnes is going to have to step into the 4th receiver roll if they let Davis and Walter go. Do you think Barnes is ready for that role?

badboy
02-04-2010, 12:57 PM
I have to agree with OM on this. Y'all did a great job! :clap:

Even though I don't know much about some of the players you selected in the later rounds I would be very happy with this draft if that's the way it falls. You hit on most of the needs of the team (except kicker) and they all look like pretty good value. Gerhart may be the only one taken a little too early, though I understand the reason why, and I wouldn't mind getting him even if it is somewhat of a reach. The dude looked like a white Earl Campbell out there running over LBer's and DB's. Anyway, nice job and looking forward to your updates!IMO, our kickers will remain the same. Brown had his first bad year with Houston. Remember, Pittsburgh dumped him after one bad year and he was lights out for us for years. I think FA will be brought in to compete, in fact a note on another thread had team looking at one or two guys already. Matt Turk is almost eligible for Social Security but had another decent year.

steelbtexan
02-04-2010, 01:06 PM
They may draft a P in the later rds of the draft.

If Medlock beats out K.Brown Kubes will probably keep 2 K's.

Kubes is smart enough not to cut one of McNairs favorites.

badboy
02-04-2010, 01:07 PM
Great Mock

Repped Got M65and BB got to spread the rep BL.

Very realistic

I'm not as high on Gerhart as you guys but I do like him. There needs to be a S in there somewhere. popprobably the 5th rd.

Barnes is going to have to step into the 4th receiver roll if they let Davis and Walter go. Do you think Barnes is ready for that role?This mock is a joint effort where hours of debate and going back and forth on, led to these players. Each of us had give and take which I alluded to earlier. We wanted to give the best over all mock. Each of us have our own separate mock with one or two different players at certain selections. I am for example a proponent of needing a FS. I do realize that Eugene WIlson will be the starter but on my mock I am looking at Robert Johnson Utah FS with 13 INTs last 3 seasons. I have him in fifth. He might go in 4th, but for now I'm keeping him there. He might not beat out the incumbant but give Barber a competition. Also, it will be interestingto see how Troy Nolan SS our last pick does in TC.

beerlover
02-04-2010, 01:48 PM
Being realistic was the fundamental focus of this collaborative effort. Then it became a balancing act between talent & need. Forcasting what the Texans will do....priceless.

Kubiak just extended along with Schaub. The rushing attack & protection packages must be upgraded (RB 2nd. OL 3rd.) The defense could use more speed in the secondary along with playmaking skills (CB 1st.) while they can't continue to spend big :money: on defensive ends or tackles via free agency or the draft solidifying group as a whole with a sleeper prospect who can compete will be more evident than his draft grade (DT 4th.) Upgrading depth w/potential starting material from the 5th rd. on would be a huge get as well. I'm scared to death to lose Andre Johnson due to injury or see teams game plan to limit his playmaking ability. Jacoby had a breakout year, but Walters, Davis & Anderson have been dissapointing, targeting a find @ WR early as possible would be wise (5a.) Another multi-positional LB for at least depth purposes supports the core group in case of injury (5b.) The 6th is a round the Texans seems to grab OG/Centers (Studdard/Myers) Austin (6th.) may make more sense to replace Myers in a couple years than Caldwell? Special teams return specialist is needed, so Jacoby can really focus on becoming a starting WR (7th.)

threetoedpete
02-04-2010, 02:05 PM
Well I watched Mike Johnson against Texas and I gotta say unless you know something I don't, you go with Myers in the middle and no significant upgrade next to him, gonna be a very long fall. It looks like they are going to pay the market on Pitts. And I haven't seen squat on Briseil.

So if 'ol Mike is gone in the third what do you do ? Guard is critical. Can't wait until three. It's gotta be a drop dead sure pick. Chances are he's going to have to start.

But I got the man love for Iupati . What do I know.

rmartin65
02-04-2010, 02:21 PM
Well I watched Mike Johnson against Texas and I gotta say unless you know something I don't, you go with Myers in the middle and no significant upgrade next to him, gonna be a very long fall. It looks like they are going to pay the market on Pitts. And I haven't seen squat on Briseil.

So if 'ol Mike is gone in the third what do you do ? Guard is critical. Can't wait until three. It's gotta be a drop dead sure pick. Chances are he's going to have to start.

But I got the man love for Iupati . What do I know.

We actually had Iupati as our number 1 pick for a while. We changed it when we saw just how high his stock was rising. It was becoming quite possible that he would not be available.

In my mock, I have Walton from Baylor as the 3rd round pick.

threetoedpete
02-04-2010, 02:44 PM
We actually had Iupati as our number 1 pick for a while. We changed it when we saw just how high his stock was rising. It was becoming quite possible that he would not be available.

In my mock, I have Walton from Baylor as the 3rd round pick.

I think two years ago, both Johnson and Walton would have been excellent picks. However from my prospective..we're loaded with very capable quick guards. Three of them, they can pass block. They can run the stretch. They can get out in space and knock people in the dirt. However what they can't do, beyond doubt, is man handle NTs and elite DTs.

I just came from a thread with the pitch forks out for Kubiak. I look at the 2010 schedule and I'm scared to death. I like both of Walton and Johnson. I just hope the Houston fans are not in another Bruce Smith -Ray Childeress scenario. I don't know Iupati may go to Indianapolis and prove he has no feet. We'll see.

badboy
02-04-2010, 02:56 PM
We actually had Iupati as our number 1 pick for a while. We changed it when we saw just how high his stock was rising. It was becoming quite possible that he would not be available.

In my mock, I have Walton from Baylor as the 3rd round pick.Agreed. On the mock I am working on now I have Walton Center in my 3rd. He comes from a ZBS that churned out the yards last season. He put Dan Williams (329 lbs) on his butt in a blocking session prior to Senior Bowl and blocked UT's Lamarr Houston so effectively that Houston jumped off side twice before being man handled by JD again. Mel Kiper had Thomas Austin rated at best senior center for 2010 prior to last season BUT after season he gave nod to Walton.

HuttoKarl
02-04-2010, 03:04 PM
way better than my mock...I like it top to bottom.

badboy
02-04-2010, 03:06 PM
I think two years ago, both Johnson and Walton would have been excellent picks. However from my prospective..we're loaded with very capable quick guards. Three of them, they can pass block. They can run the stretch. They can get out in space and knock people in the dirt. However what they can't do, beyond doubt, is man handle NTs and elite DTs.

I just came from a thread with the pitch forks out for Kubiak. I look at the 2010 schedule and I'm scared to death. I like both of Walton and Johnson. I just hope the Houston fans are not in another Bruce Smith -Ray Childeress scenario. I don't know Iupati may go to Indianapolis and prove he has no feet. We'll see.I am not the big Iupati fan that some are. He is a power guy that will do well in Pittsburgh for example. I don't think he converts easily to ZBS & that is why I had Asamoah in second round on an earlier mock (I had allowed others to pursuade me Gerhart will be avail at Texans pick in 3rd. Doubt that happens.) We should go either THomas FS/CB or Wilson CB @ #20. A power back in 2nd and Walton or Johnson in 3rd really moves the O to another level. I am ok with Mike Johnson and see him as a Chester Pitts type. I used to think Pitts was gone but now am thinking he will return at 31 yoa. Brown, Pitts, Myers/Walton, Briesel/Caldwell with Rashad Butler and my 5th rounder Newhouse battling it out.

beerlover
02-04-2010, 03:12 PM
Free Agency closely follows the combine, we can make adjustments based on more solid factual information then.

1. Review College Players
2. Any internal extensions
3. F/A signings

threetoedpete
02-04-2010, 03:17 PM
I am not the big Iupati fan that some are. He is a power guy that will do well in Pittsburgh for example. I don't think he converts easily to ZBS & that is why I had Asamoah in second round on an earlier mock (I had allowed others to pursuade me Gerhart will be avail at Texans pick in 3rd. Doubt that happens.) We should go either THomas FS/CB or Wilson CB @ #20. A power back in 2nd and Walton or Johnson in 3rd really moves the O to another level. I am ok with Mike Johnson and see him as a Chester Pitts type. I used to think Pitts was gone but now am thinking he will return at 31 yoa. Brown, Pitts, Myers/Walton, Briesel/Caldwell with Rashad Butler and my 5th rounder Newhouse battling it out.

If we know about Marshall Newhouse, I think it would be pretty naive of us not to believe every mushroom club member out there knows about him also. He starts out being able to handle four out of five o-line positions. Which makes him absolute gold come the final cuts. He saves roster spots.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Iupati. i believe the grabbing can be coached out of him by camp. I also believe he could handle four out of five positions...eventually. Lance just put hm at 16. We'll be very fortunate to have a shot at him. The last time I checked..SF still employs the ZBS.

badboy
02-04-2010, 04:26 PM
If we know about Marshall Newhouse, I think it would be pretty naive of us not to believe every mushroom club member out there knows about him also. He starts out being able to handle four out of five o-line positions. Which makes him absolute gold come the final cuts. He saves roster spots.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Iupati. i believe the grabbing can be coached out of him by camp. I also believe he could handle four out of five positions...eventually. Lance just put hm at 16. We'll be very fortunate to have a shot at him. The last time I checked..SF still employs the ZBS.You can put a square peg in a round hole, see Pitts who handled the ZBS or a version of it any way. Iupati will be a very good guard. I just don't see him or any draft pick beating our Pitts if healthy. Beerlover has a great point that free agency will give clearer insight to the draft. I'm sure you have seen he posts about signing the OG from Denver which if it happens would again reduce the need for a OG in early draft rounds.

Newhouse.. I don't agree that everyone will know or make the same eval as us. Zach Diles was a 7th rounder that starts. Looking back should we have used a 3rd? Most have him rated very low.

beerlover
02-05-2010, 02:37 AM
One thing that stuck out to me is you guys seem to be pretty high on Freddie Barnes, what is making you think he will be there in the 5th round. (I know nothing about him, just going by what I am reading here, and he sounds like a great player by the details y'all gave).



on a side note Freddie Barnes had 155 receptions last season, 19 TD's & 1,770 receiving yards. That's with a game against Boise State where Kyle Wilson held him to just 4 catches and 26 yards. That folks, is a shutdown corner.

threetoedpete
02-05-2010, 02:16 PM
on a side note Freddie Barnes had 155 receptions last season, 19 TD's & 1,770 receiving yards. That's with a game against Boise State where Kyle Wilson held him to just 4 catches and 26 yards. That folks, is a shutdown corner.

Tulane wideout Jeremy Williams ....Reminds me a lot of Derick Mason. Didn't see a lot of Tulane football. But he did well in the senior bowl week.

beerlover
02-06-2010, 04:25 PM
Trindon Holliday won't be available in the 7th rd. just kinda let that one get by. one of our 5th rd. picks if we want him, tough choice between him or Barnes? guess it would come down to Texans expectations of Jacoby Jones. One, is he ready to be Texans #2 WR? Two, would releiving him of return duties allow a faster transition to this full time role? If not I would still take Barnes if yes then it's Holliday...

rmartin65
02-06-2010, 04:31 PM
Trindon Holliday won't be available in the 7th rd. just kinda let that one get by. one of our 5th rd. picks if we want him, tough choice between him or Barnes? guess it would come down to Texans expectations of Jacoby Jones. One, is he ready to be Texans #2 WR? Two, would releiving him of return duties allow a faster transition to this full time role? If not I would still take Barnes if yes then it's Holliday...

You think? Holliday is playing in the Texas vs. the Nation game, and the practice reports on him have not been flattering at all.

I have not seen any place showing him getting drafted at all, much less fifth round.

beerlover
02-06-2010, 07:07 PM
You think? Holliday is playing in the Texas vs. the Nation game, and the practice reports on him have not been flattering at all.

I have not seen any place showing him getting drafted at all, much less fifth round.

Texas (36) vs. the Nation (17) just finished & LSU’s Trindon Holliday earned offensive player of the game honors accumulating 209 all-purpose yards, including 71 on four punt returns & two touchdowns (one on a 67 yd. pass the other on a 2 yard run).

rmartin65
02-06-2010, 07:45 PM
Texas (36) vs. the Nation (17) just finished & LSU’s Trindon Holliday earned offensive player of the game honors accumulating 209 all-purpose yards, including 71 on four punt returns & two touchdowns (one on a 67 yd. pass the other on a 2 yard run).

Well, shit. Hmm, yeah, I am going to have to move him around then. I am probably not going to re-adjust my board until after the combine.

beerlover
02-06-2010, 11:33 PM
Well, shit. Hmm, yeah, I am going to have to move him around then. I am probably not going to re-adjust my board until after the combine.

see folks this is the type of in depth behind the scenes exchanges that shape draft boards :pop:

it is however a good example of addressing needs @ a specific position & how that affects a group of existing players who are developing or can be upgraded while targeting for need. Initially my target was Jacoby Ford, Clemson track star/WR but we came to the understanding he would get a 4th rd. grade (much closer to becoming an impact player immediately) so down the list until we agreed on a 5th rd. grade for Barnes (no return skills) & Holliday 7th as returner/3rd down slot WR. So Ford could do both, make a quicker transition but we all agreed not as big of need as addressing interior DT.

rmartin65
02-06-2010, 11:38 PM
see folks this is the type of in depth behind the scenes exchanges that shape draft boards :pop:

it is however a good example of addressing needs @ a specific position & how that affects a group of existing players who are developing or can be upgraded while targeting for need. Initially my target was Jacoby Ford, Clemson track star/WR but we came to the understanding he would get a 4th rd. grade (much closer to becoming an impact player immediately) so down the list until we agreed on a 5th rd. grade for Barnes (no return skills) & Holliday 7th as returner/3rd down slot WR. So Ford could do both, make a quicker transition but we all agreed not as big of need as addressing interior DT.

Haha, it was something like that.

Getting Ford would be nice, but it was nicer to get Joseph (Big DT), Barnes and Holliday. Depending on how things go down at the combine (if Holliday runs sub 4.25 he is worth a 5th rounder. If not, I would keep Barnes and look for a new 7th rounder), this is a pretty realistic draft, in my opinion.

Lucky
02-07-2010, 02:22 PM
Trindon Holliday won't be available in the 7th rd. just kinda let that one get by.
How did you guys determine who would be available at each pick? Did you go off a web site's list? Not disagreeing, just wondering.

steelbtexan
02-07-2010, 02:37 PM
Haha, it was something like that.

Getting Ford would be nice, but it was nicer to get Joseph (Big DT), Barnes and Holliday. Depending on how things go down at the combine (if Holliday runs sub 4.25 he is worth a 5th rounder. If not, I would keep Barnes and look for a new 7th rounder), this is a pretty realistic draft, in my opinion.

LaMarcus Coker is just about as fast as Holliday,can return KR/PR and can provide great depth at RB.

Coker has run a 4.28 40.

He's well worth a 5th rd pick. IMO

rmartin65
02-07-2010, 03:31 PM
How did you guys determine who would be available at each pick? Did you go off a web site's list? Not disagreeing, just wondering.

We all have a board of some kind. So we were all working with different rankings, it was very interesting to discuss.

beerlover
02-07-2010, 04:08 PM
How did you guys determine who would be available at each pick? Did you go off a web site's list? Not disagreeing, just wondering.

For myself, any and/or all Draft Sites including paid subscriptions like OURLADS, this board of course, other message boards (check in regularly around NFL & measure pulse of their fans/oganization) & hours upon hours spent reviewing game film, not only during but after the season. Then all I do is break down positions & rank them in the order they should fall based on measureables, depth of position & team needs.

It really helped us to take our time & work through our differences. Key to finished product was a mutal passion for the Texans, we maintained our focus, kept true to basics like being realistic & accurate, not getting too high or low on any one player then just letting the process work itself through in a natural progression without agenda.

As stated earlier I really appreciate you, the mods for allowing us the freedom to exercise our passion & get our ideas out to the Texans fan base.

Insideop
02-08-2010, 08:23 AM
IMO, our kickers will remain the same. Brown had his first bad year with Houston. Remember, Pittsburgh dumped him after one bad year and he was lights out for us for years. I think FA will be brought in to compete, in fact a note on another thread had team looking at one or two guys already. Matt Turk is almost eligible for Social Security but had another decent year.

I think this was Brown's 2nd bad year with us. Remember the 05 season (2-14)? I think he lost several games for us that year and a number of people on this board wanted to run him out of town with CC and HWSNBN! There was a game in Baltimore and the so called "Reggie Bowl" in San Fran that come to mind. He seems to have a pattern of 3 good years followed by 1 bad year (01 bad with Pitt, 02, 03, 04 good, 05 bad, 06, 07, 08 good, 09 bad ....). Not sure what's up with that, but it could mean he's back with us next season and kicking lights out again.

Anyway, you're probably right about them not going after a Kicker in the Draft but bringing in FA's instead (see Medlock tryout). I don't think Kubes would be willing to risk this season on a Rookie Kicker. JMHO!

badboy
02-08-2010, 02:15 PM
How did you guys determine who would be available at each pick? Did you go off a web site's list? Not disagreeing, just wondering.Have you ever tried to drop kick or put someone in a step over toe hold via the internet? RMartin 65, Beerlover, and I went back and forth with pages and pages of messages. Each of us have a passion for the Texans and our own ideas of what will work and not. We basically use the same sources except I don't pay for any such as OurLads. WHat was effective I think is being able to compare games we saw & share that info. It is hard to ignore Kyle WIlson moving up the stats & same with TG who I had in 4th originally. Steve

badboy
02-08-2010, 02:19 PM
I think this was Brown's 2nd bad year with us. Remember the 05 season (2-14)? I think he lost several games for us that year and a number of people on this board wanted to run him out of town with CC and HWSNBN! There was a game in Baltimore and the so called "Reggie Bowl" in San Fran that come to mind. He seems to have a pattern of 3 good years followed by 1 bad year (01 bad with Pitt, 02, 03, 04 good, 05 bad, 06, 07, 08 good, 09 bad ....). Not sure what's up with that, but it could mean he's back with us next season and kicking lights out again.

Anyway, you're probably right about them not going after a Kicker in the Draft but bringing in FA's instead (see Medlock tryout). I don't think Kubes would be willing to risk this season on a Rookie Kicker. JMHO!http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/brownkri01.htm

Insideop
02-08-2010, 03:20 PM
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/brownkri01.htm

Percentage wise you're right about those being the worst years he had, but I know he had a bad year in 05 with some critical misses that cost us several games. Some of the kicks, that should have been automatic, were so bad that people were thinking he threw the games just so we could get the 1st pick in the Draft and pick Reggie! Looking back on it now it sure seems funny.

I just hope we can find a better Kicker with range and accuracy. Looking at those stats, Brown has only had a couple of really good years with us (07 and 08). Other than that, he looks to be mediocre at best. It's probably time to move on! :fieldgoal

badboy
02-08-2010, 03:55 PM
Percentage wise you're right about those being the worst years he had, but I know he had a bad year in 05 with some critical misses that cost us several games. Some of the kicks, that should have been automatic, were so bad that people were thinking he threw the games just so we could get the 1st pick in the Draft and pick Reggie! Looking back on it now it sure seems funny.

I just hope we can find a better Kicker with range and accuracy. Looking at those stats, Brown has only had a couple of really good years with us (07 and 08). Other than that, he looks to be mediocre at best. It's probably time to move on! :fieldgoalLook at 2008:
20-29yds 9/10; 30-39 yds 10/10;40-49yds 8/10 and 50 + 2/3. He has missed twice in eight years on extra points. FG% 88. Maybe you should look a bit more recent than 2005. Sure bring in competition but don't just give it to them.

Insideop
02-09-2010, 04:33 PM
Look at 2008:
20-29yds 9/10; 30-39 yds 10/10;40-49yds 8/10 and 50 + 2/3. He has missed twice in eight years on extra points. FG% 88. Maybe you should look a bit more recent than 2005. Sure bring in competition but don't just give it to them.

Never said just give it to them. I'm sure, when they bring somebody in, that person/persons will compete against Brown, and Kubes will give it to who they think is best. Just like they did when Turk came in and competed against Stanley.

As for looking more recent than 05 at KB's stats, I did. That's why I said he only had a couple of really good years with us in 07 and 08. The only reason I bring up 05 as a bad year for him is because he lost games for us that year, just like this year, and there seemed to be a pattern of a bad year every 4th year. Kris may beat out the competition this season and have a great year for us like he did in 07 and 08. I don't know. I just wish we could find someone more consistent year in and year out.

badboy
02-09-2010, 05:20 PM
Never said just give it to them. I'm sure, when they bring somebody in, that person/persons will compete against Brown, and Kubes will give it to who they think is best. Just like they did when Turk came in and competed against Stanley.

As for looking more recent than 05 at KB's stats, I did. That's why I said he only had a couple of really good years with us in 07 and 08. The only reason I bring up 05 as a bad year for him is because he lost games for us that year, just like this year, and there seemed to be a pattern of a bad year every 4th year. Kris may beat out the competition this season and have a great year for us like he did in 07 and 08. I don't know. I just wish we could find someone more consistent year in and year out.I agree but when you said he was mediocre, I thought you were sayig that anyone could come in and beat him out. I am ready to improve on any player and you may be right that his history indicates he is coming to the end.

threetoedpete
02-11-2010, 01:49 AM
I think this was Brown's 2nd bad year with us. Remember the 05 season (2-14)? I think he lost several games for us that year and a number of people on this board wanted to run him out of town with CC and HWSNBN! There was a game in Baltimore and the so called "Reggie Bowl" in San Fran that come to mind. He seems to have a pattern of 3 good years followed by 1 bad year (01 bad with Pitt, 02, 03, 04 good, 05 bad, 06, 07, 08 good, 09 bad ....). Not sure what's up with that, but it could mean he's back with us next season and kicking lights out again.

Anyway, you're probably right about them not going after a Kicker in the Draft but bringing in FA's instead (see Medlock tryout). I don't think Kubes would be willing to risk this season on a Rookie Kicker. JMHO!


agreed. and I don't know how many times I posted Garret Hartley, the kid from South Lake Carrol on these boards...but it was a few times. And there the guy is kicking in the big game. I think they'll stand pat. Judging by the trend, Brown has two good years due. I hope.

I really like the Georgia Punter , Butler, though. Got the blood lines and he can flat out boom the ball. but that option is a long ways down the line.

beerlover
02-18-2010, 01:46 PM
Hey guys R top selection for Texans is holding water weeks later, still pre-combine but considering where we started from during this process.

http://draftnasty.com/insider_blogs/corey/2010-draftnasty-1st-round-mock-draft-version-1/

20. Houston Texans

Kyle Wilson CB Boise State

Since his arrival, GM Rick Smith has done a fine job in building the team through the draft and the decision to keep head coach Gary Kubiak deserves some props. Too often, teams don't let their head coaches develop continuity with their players. What the Texans need is a cornerback outside capable of handling the top receivers in the AFC South. Wilson would be a nice addition to an up and coming defensive unit that ranked 13th in the NFL in 2009.

badboy
02-18-2010, 04:29 PM
Hey guys R top selection for Texans is holding water weeks later, still pre-combine but considering where we started from during this process.

http://draftnasty.com/insider_blogs/corey/2010-draftnasty-1st-round-mock-draft-version-1/Yeah, we went through a lot of research to finally end with Wilson. It is possible that someone could also see him as the real deal and beat us to the punch. I had Perrish Cox rated higher than Wilson initially but a bit concerned about his immature antics. Just FYI, Jerome Murphy CB will be someone to keep an eye on in combine.

threetoedpete
02-19-2010, 01:39 AM
I am not the big Iupati fan that some are. He is a power guy that will do well in Pittsburgh for example. I don't think he converts easily to ZBS & that is why I had Asamoah in second round on an earlier mock (I had allowed others to pursuade me Gerhart will be avail at Texans pick in 3rd. Doubt that happens.) We should go either THomas FS/CB or Wilson CB @ #20. A power back in 2nd and Walton or Johnson in 3rd really moves the O to another level. I am ok with Mike Johnson and see him as a Chester Pitts type. I used to think Pitts was gone but now am thinking he will return at 31 yoa. Brown, Pitts, Myers/Walton, Briesel/Caldwell with Rashad Butler and my 5th rounder Newhouse battling it out.

Well Mike Mayock just slipped Iupati into his OT review. Said something about Allan Faneca. Twenty pounds heavier. His arms are longer.

I'm telling you if he slips to twenty that'll be Texans pick. How a franchise could by pass a guy like that after not having a rushing attack for most of the season in '09 would be stunning to me ? He fits the hole. He's the best prospect at the position. And he has unlimited potential to move outside.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/347930-mel-kipers-20-mock-draft-upon-further-review

badboy
02-19-2010, 02:48 PM
Well Mike Mayock just slipped Iupati into his OT review. Said something about Allan Faneca. Twenty pounds heavier. His arms are longer.

I'm telling you if he slips to twenty that'll be Texans pick. How a franchise could by pass a guy like that after not having a rushing attack for most of the season in '09 would be stunning to me ? He fits the hole. He's the best prospect at the position. And he has unlimited potential to move outside.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/347930-mel-kipers-20-mock-draft-upon-further-reviewI think it comes down to personal opinion. I think good chance Pitts will be re-signed and will not be beat out by any drafted guard. I think Dunta will be gone so CB becomes highest priority. IMO power RB is highest priority, but my guy TG or Dixon or even Mathews should be there in 2nd so I go with WIlson. I am not a best player available but fill the priority need under mostscenarios.

Maddict5
02-20-2010, 07:19 PM
i havent done research or anything but i can say with some certainty after seeing some vids of trindon holiday that he wont make it to the 7th round. some1 will take a flyer on him in the 4th/5th rds imo

rmartin65
02-21-2010, 10:12 AM
i havent done research or anything but i can say with some certainty after seeing some vids of trindon holiday that he wont make it to the 7th round. some1 will take a flyer on him in the 4th/5th rds imo

Yep, we established that one a little while back. This mock was made before the Texas vs. the Nation game, before Holliday started tearing it up.

Ole Miss Texan
02-22-2010, 11:40 AM
As each day goes by, I like Kyle Wilson on this team more and more.

badboy
02-22-2010, 12:16 PM
As each day goes by, I like Kyle Wilson on this team more and more.As you should sir. My concern is there are teams ahead of us that could use his skills.

beerlover
02-22-2010, 12:29 PM
As each day goes by, I like Kyle Wilson on this team more and more.

we expereinced a similar phenomenon that was exciting to share between oursleves then later to our fellow board members. pretty cool, guess thats what its all about :mail:

TimeKiller
02-25-2010, 09:36 AM
Round 1: Bose State WR Kyle Wilson 5'10" 190

The pick/need make sense but the guy doesn't really fit the CB profile Smithiak targets (6' 200, lanky).
Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’1” 235
Love the pick. Love it.
Round 3: Alabama LG Mike Johnson, 6'5" 306
For as big of a need as S is, or DT it almost feels like this is too early. But then I remember Chris Myers still plays on the team so....
Round 4: East Carolina University DT Linval Joseph, 6'6" 322
sounds like a big mamajama.
Round 5a: Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes, 6’ 210
Not that you can really complain about 5-7 round picks but WR doesn't seem like much of a need to me. Even if Walter doesn't resign.
Round 5b: Iowa ILB Pat Angerer, 6’ 235
Terrible pick. Ya'll didn't even take a late round safety. SAFETY!!!
Round 6: Clemson OG/C Thomas Austin, 6'3" 310
Nice
Round 7: LSU Returner Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 170 lbs
Nice flyer pick. Can't be any worse than Alex Brink.

badboy
02-25-2010, 12:40 PM
Round 1: Bose State WR Kyle Wilson 5'10" 190

The pick/need make sense but the guy doesn't really fit the CB profile Smithiak targets (6' 200, lanky).
Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’1” 235
Love the pick. Love it.
Round 3: Alabama LG Mike Johnson, 6'5" 306
For as big of a need as S is, or DT it almost feels like this is too early. But then I remember Chris Myers still plays on the team so....
Round 4: East Carolina University DT Linval Joseph, 6'6" 322
sounds like a big mamajama.
Round 5a: Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes, 6’ 210
Not that you can really complain about 5-7 round picks but WR doesn't seem like much of a need to me. Even if Walter doesn't resign.
Round 5b: Iowa ILB Pat Angerer, 6’ 235
Terrible pick. Ya'll didn't even take a late round safety. SAFETY!!!
Round 6: Clemson OG/C Thomas Austin, 6'3" 310
Nice
Round 7: LSU Returner Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 170 lbs
Nice flyer pick. Can't be any worse than Alex Brink.Brice McCain 5'9" 187 lbs but I think his 4.33 had a lot to do with it.

beerlover
02-25-2010, 01:16 PM
Round 1: Bose State WR Kyle Wilson 5'10" 190

The pick/need make sense but the guy doesn't really fit the CB profile Smithiak targets (6' 200, lanky).
Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’1” 235
Love the pick. Love it.
Round 3: Alabama LG Mike Johnson, 6'5" 306
For as big of a need as S is, or DT it almost feels like this is too early. But then I remember Chris Myers still plays on the team so....
Round 4: East Carolina University DT Linval Joseph, 6'6" 322
sounds like a big mamajama.
Round 5a: Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes, 6’ 210
Not that you can really complain about 5-7 round picks but WR doesn't seem like much of a need to me. Even if Walter doesn't resign.
Round 5b: Iowa ILB Pat Angerer, 6’ 235
Terrible pick. Ya'll didn't even take a late round safety. SAFETY!!!
Round 6: Clemson OG/C Thomas Austin, 6'3" 310
Nice
Round 7: LSU Returner Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 170 lbs
Nice flyer pick. Can't be any worse than Alex Brink.

thanks for the feedback :)

beerlover
02-28-2010, 09:42 PM
just posted - Linval Joseph DT East Carolina 328 lbs 34 1/2 reach 10" hands & 39 reps. as advertised, a beast :bowser:

rmartin65
02-28-2010, 10:23 PM
just posted - Linval Joseph DT East Carolina 328 lbs 34 1/2 reach 10" hands & 39 reps. as advertised, a beast :bowser:

Nice! All of our guys are doing pretty well. the ones that have done stuff so far.

Honoring Earl 34
02-28-2010, 10:44 PM
Nice! All of our guys are doing pretty well. the ones that have done stuff so far.

I'm not sure about Johnson in the 3rd .

beerlover
03-01-2010, 07:22 AM
I'm not sure about Johnson in the 3rd .

More likely than not he'll still be on the board now in 3rd that's for sure. did nothing to distinguish himself, short arms (guard only) strength still a question (did not lift) good weight (312) height (6052). average to above average in drills. enough solid game film from National Champion SEC Alabama & 1st team All America credentials keep him a solid 3rd.

Really impressed with Marshall Newhouse G TCU 6036 319 34 10 1/4 5 25 reps. have to go back & look at his tape, good bloodlines. Anyway those are guys you stack on your board to address OL just depends who's available.

badboy
03-02-2010, 12:38 PM
More likely than not he'll still be on the board now in 3rd that's for sure. did nothing to distinguish himself, short arms (guard only) strength still a question (did not lift) good weight (312) height (6052). average to above average in drills. enough solid game film from National Champion SEC Alabama & 1st team All America credentials keep him a solid 3rd.

Really impressed with Marshall Newhouse G TCU 6036 319 34 10 1/4 5 25 reps. have to go back & look at his tape, good bloodlines. Anyway those are guys you stack on your board to address OL just depends who's available.I agree on Johnson and that was my concern when we processed this mock. We need a OG especially if Pitts leaves & I'm sitting on Newhouse in 5th which will probably be too low.

beerlover
03-02-2010, 02:19 PM
I agree on Johnson and that was my concern when we processed this mock. We need a OG especially if Pitts leaves & I'm sitting on Newhouse in 5th which will probably be too low.

I could buy Newhouse in 4th & Joseph in 3rd :thinking:

rmartin65
03-02-2010, 04:46 PM
I could buy Newhouse in 4th & Joseph in 3rd :thinking:

Seconded.

badboy
03-02-2010, 05:05 PM
Seconded.Wouldn't you like to see those two guys banging in practice? Probably have to get them to ease up or they would beat each other up. Sure wish we could work Walton in as I see him beating out Myers.