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Texans_Chick
01-28-2010, 09:53 PM
Here's my blog post on the subject:

Matt Schaub second in the NFL getting hit after the throw. Ouch. (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2010/01/matt_schaub_hits_after_release.html)

The numbers show that the Texans were sacked near the least in the league despite having a large number of throws.

HOWEVER, Schaub was hit after the throw the second highest number in the league. Ungood.

I discuss this some and invite you to do the same.

Texan_Bill
01-28-2010, 10:10 PM
I mentioned this before. While the sack numbers aren't that bad......The number of times Schaub was hit is insane... Check this out:NFL.com Offensive Line Stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE _LINE&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT&d-447263-n=1&season=2009&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1)

While we held up well with sacks (which may be more of Schaub being able to make a play), rather than our O-line playing well we let Schaub be hit 92 times...... or 10th worrst this season......

The O-line ready??? Not so much!!!


:tiphat:

kiwitexansfan
01-28-2010, 10:14 PM
Sounds like Schaub should be given some credit for being able to sense the rush and get the ball out in time.

DexmanC
01-28-2010, 10:16 PM
By comparison: Peyton was only hit 44 times!
Schaub was hit 126 times!

Nice job, Studdard and Myers!

Malloy
01-29-2010, 02:48 AM
Curious how these hits are season-wise. I have a feeling, hunch really, that after OD went down we decreased on the shorter throws over the middle, could the hits be the result of this?

Purely speculating!

DeMarCushPoll
01-29-2010, 06:11 AM
By comparison: Peyton was only hit 44 times!
Schaub was hit 126 times!

Nice job, Studdard and Myers!


I agree the O-line needs improvement, but I think some of that may be due to Indy running all those short crossing routs which allows Manning to get rid of the ball much quicker where as Schaub seems to throw down field more often.

In the first game against Indy, Dallas Clarck had 14 receptions with the longest being just 17 yrds and the longest pass to any reciever that day for Indy was just 26 yrds.

Lucky
01-29-2010, 06:41 AM
By comparison: Peyton was only hit 44 times!
Schaub was hit 126 times!

Nice job, Studdard and Myers!
How does 65 hits after throw + 25 sacks total up to 126 hits on Schaub?

If we Texans fans have learned anything regarding these type of numbers is that it's easy to jump to conclusions about the offensive line. I'm not saying that the line didn't have a role in creating these numbers. Just that there are other factors, as well.

Schaub holds on to the ball. I didn't say, holds on the ball too long. He is trying to make plays down the field, as his league leading yardage numbers would indicate. Schaub also doesn't read the defense as quickly as Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. These guys know where they're going with the ball often before they even get the snap. How much the limitations Kubiak imposes on audibles causes these delays is unknown.

The running game (or lack there of). It is much easier for a defensive lineman to pin his ears and rush the passer when he doesn't have to be all that concerned with run support. If the Texans can somehow develop a consistent rushing attack, maybe those play action fakes can hold the d-line down a little longer.

El Tejano
01-29-2010, 07:29 AM
I think alot of it has to do with DL not being scared of a FREAKING PENALTY by hitting Schaub as opposed to hitting Manning also.

Honoring Earl 34
01-29-2010, 07:38 AM
The Texans need to upgrade the talent at guard and center ... nuff said . :slapfight:

DeMarCushPoll
01-29-2010, 07:47 AM
I think alot of it has to do with DL not being scared of a FREAKING PENALTY by hitting Schaub as opposed to hitting Manning also.

Yeah, I thought about that too.

El Tejano
01-29-2010, 08:34 AM
I was sick a couple of days ago so I stayed in and watched some games I recorded - Tenn, Raiders, Bills, and Patriots. It was amazing how Schaub was clearly being pounded into the ground after a throw and the officials looked as if they didn't see a thing. Then you go back and look at some of the calls that pretty much bailed Indianapolis out of some dirty situations against us and that starts to tick you off if even in the offseason for us.

HuttoKarl
01-29-2010, 08:59 AM
By comparison: Peyton was only hit 44 times!
Schaub was hit 126 times!

Nice job, Studdard and Myers!

Iupati, Iupati, Iupati!!!

hookinreds
01-29-2010, 09:01 AM
How does 65 hits after throw + 25 sacks total up to 126 hits on Schaub?



D hits Schaub, Schaub hits ground must count for two hits but that doesn't even match, unless sometimes it's only counted as one hit if he didn't go all the way down. :-)

dalemurphy
01-29-2010, 09:29 AM
some other contributing factors to those numbers:

1. Schaub's pocket presence. Though improved, he handles pressure more like Aikman than Marino or Manning. He tries to throw in the face of it more often than sliding away from pressure and then throwing.

2. Number of attempts. He threw the ball 100-200 times more than a lot of teams did.

3. Mediocre OL.

4. Predictable protection schemes. West Coast offenses are known for being very predictable with their protections, believing that their timing and efficiency can combat the blitz... but, that can lead to some pretty good shots- post-release, even if everyone does their job.

5. Schaub likes to thrown downfield. His YPA is very high because he'll wait a moment longer to make the downfield pass instead of dropping it underneath in he face of pressure.

Vinny
01-29-2010, 09:34 AM
It's common knowledge that Schaub still takes unnecessary hits. He could probably clean up about 2-3 per game...that's 30-50 extra hits per year which amounts to a larger injury risk. Just look at that "Dammit Donald" clip of Manning as a quick contrast in styles. Schaub would have gotten drilled there...Manning slides and curses his protection. :breakdance:

dalemurphy
01-29-2010, 10:08 AM
It's common knowledge that Schaub still takes unnecessary hits. He could probably clean up about 2-3 per game...that's 30-50 extra hits per year which amounts to a larger injury risk. Just look at that "Dammit Donald" clip of Manning as a quick contrast in styles. Schaub would have gotten drilled there...Manning slides and curses his protection. :breakdance:

He also ducks and covers... Like he did on the second Jets sack last week... like David Carr was doing in '05. Well, except for the panic, fumbles, and the fact that he still only takes 15 sacks per year. Why won't that a***ole stand up and take some freakin' hits! I'm guessing DLmen have tried to get in his head by questioning his manhood... and, I'm guessing that doesn't work to well.

Vinny
01-29-2010, 10:11 AM
He also ducks and covers... Like he did on the second Jets sack last week... like David Carr was doing in '05. Well, except for the panic, fumbles, and the fact that he still only takes 15 sacks per year. Why won't that a***ole stand up and take some freakin' hits! I'm guessing DLmen have tried to get in his head by questioning his manhood... and, I'm guessing that doesn't work to well.
You comparing Manning to Carr is a great snapshot of your credibility. I think I just figured out who John McClain's troll account is.

HOU-TEX
01-29-2010, 10:23 AM
He also ducks and covers... Like he did on the second Jets sack last week... like David Carr was doing in '05. Well, except for the panic, fumbles, and the fact that he still only takes 15 sacks per year. Why won't that a***ole stand up and take some freakin' hits! I'm guessing DLmen have tried to get in his head by questioning his manhood... and, I'm guessing that doesn't work to well.

192 consecutive regular season games, 132 of those being W's, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 4 time league MVP, etc., etc..........

b0ng
01-29-2010, 10:43 AM
You comparing Manning to Carr is a great snapshot of your credibility. I think I just figured out who John McClain's troll account is.

Monster take. Rack 'em.

dalemurphy
01-29-2010, 10:50 AM
You comparing Manning to Carr is a great snapshot of your credibility. I think I just figured out who John McClain's troll account is.

Can nobody on this board get a joke? Do I really have to find a character that says, "HEY, I'M Joking!". Seems that there were plenty clues to the humor in the text itself.

BigBull17
01-29-2010, 10:59 AM
I was sick a couple of days ago so I stayed in and watched some games I recorded - Tenn, Raiders, Bills, and Patriots. It was amazing how Schaub was clearly being pounded into the ground after a throw and the officials looked as if they didn't see a thing. Then you go back and look at some of the calls that pretty much bailed Indianapolis out of some dirty situations against us and that starts to tick you off if even in the offseason for us.

Antonio Smith getting blocked into Peyton mid swim move and tapping Peyton in the head was sickening.

Ole Miss Texan
01-29-2010, 11:19 AM
This is one problem I've had. I havn't read the link yet but will soon enough.

Although most fans point to the decrease in sacks over the last 2 seasons, it never once made me comfortable. From watching the games you could tell Schaub was still getting hit and hit hard. Schaub's ability to get rid of the ball was the primary reason the sack figure decreased, in my opinion. I think he does a good job of getting rid of the ball but not great. A lot of times after his delivery, he leaves himself vulnerable to the hit. Just b/c he isn't getting sacked doesn't mean he cant get hurt. In a lot of cases the QB is more protected taking the sack than getting rid of the ball. Need I remind yall of the patented David Carr Fetal Position?

Also, it was clear opposing defenses were targeting Schaub and trying to hit him hard to rattle him. Now that Schaub had a HUGE year passing (not just for the season but in nfl history) and going to the pro bowl... I hope the refs take a look at him and think "this is another one of the QB's we need to keep healthy" and they'll police the defense a little more.

DexmanC
01-29-2010, 11:19 AM
How does 65 hits after throw + 25 sacks total up to 126 hits on Schaub?

If we Texans fans have learned anything regarding these type of numbers is that it's easy to jump to conclusions about the offensive line. I'm not saying that the line didn't have a role in creating these numbers. Just that there are other factors, as well.

Schaub holds on to the ball. I didn't say, holds on the ball too long. He is trying to make plays down the field, as his league leading yardage numbers would indicate. Schaub also doesn't read the defense as quickly as Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. These guys know where they're going with the ball often before they even get the snap. How much the limitations Kubiak imposes on audibles causes these delays is unknown.

The running game (or lack there of). It is much easier for a defensive lineman to pin his ears and rush the passer when he doesn't have to be all that concerned with run support. If the Texans can somehow develop a consistent rushing attack, maybe those play action fakes can hold the d-line down a little longer.

Look at the chart. Schaub has been hit 126 TOTAL times.
Peyton only 44

infantrycak
01-29-2010, 11:25 AM
Look at the chart. Schaub has been hit 126 TOTAL times.
Peyton only 44

The chart says 65 QB hits for Schaub plus 25 sacks makes 90 total hits not 126. Manning's says 29 QB hits plus 10 sacks makes 39 total hits not 44.

buddyboy
01-29-2010, 11:35 AM
Look at the chart. Schaub has been hit 126 TOTAL times.
Peyton only 44

lol, you're looking at the Jag's stat line. Way to keep insisting you're right though.

Mailman
01-29-2010, 12:14 PM
lol, you're looking at the Jag's stat line. Way to keep insisting you're right though.

but but but look at the chart! no, really, look at it!

hahaha

Texan_Bill
01-29-2010, 12:17 PM
Can nobody on this board get a joke? Do I really have to find a character that says, "HEY, I'M Joking!". Seems that there were plenty clues to the humor in the text itself.

If you finished your post with something like: :sarcasm: people would see the humor.

DexmanC
01-29-2010, 12:50 PM
lol, you're looking at the Jag's stat line. Way to keep insisting you're right though.

You called your cousin in the NFL Webmasters' office and had him
change the line. Smart move :sarcasm:

dalemurphy
01-29-2010, 01:15 PM
If you finished your post with something like: :sarcasm: people would see the humor.

I compared David Carr with Peyton Manning. Shouldn't be neccessary.