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No More 8-8's
01-26-2010, 08:56 AM
Now that the Texans are done with the season, it gives me time to reflect on the teams history. Most of it has been pretty terrible, but there has been some shining moments. But recently I have been noticing alot of chatter about the worst and best signings in Texans short history.

Alot of the worst signings are really hard to argue (Todd Wade, Ahman Green, Picking up David Carrs option, etc.) But i give to you my absolute worst signing in Texans history, and you maybe amazed.

Seth Payne in 2005.

Why Seth Payne you ask? Four Year 16 Million doesnt sound too bad. Well keep in mind who else was a Free Agent at the time. Pat Williams. Yes that Pro Bowler Pat Williams that clogs up the Minnesota defensive line. He was recently let go from Buffalo and a free agent in 2005.

Seth Payne was ready to leave the Texans, and had schedule visits for the Browns and Jets. Then before he could go on any trips, word came out from Texans organization that Pat Williams (Local Aggie) was close to signing with the Texans. So what did Seth Payne do? He hurried back to Houston and signed the Texans offer before Pat Williams took it away.

Imagine how amazing our teams would have been if we would have signed him. We had always been looking for that stud DT, and when do get close to signing one, CC blows it by choosing to resign one of his expansion picks.

I have remembered this story for the longest time, but had no proof, as I could only remember reading about it in the chronice and espn. But after some searching, i found some proof.

http://fantasysports.usatoday.com/content/transactions.asp?sport=nfl&previousdate=3/3/2005

No More 8-8's
01-26-2010, 08:57 AM
Seth Payne - DL - Jaguars
Texans re-signed a four-year DT Seth Payne to a four-year, $16 million contract with a $4.5 million signing bonus.
Payne heard the Texans were about to sign Pat Williams, and quickly signed. He'll anchor an old, expensive defensive line with Robaire Smith and Gary Walker. The Houston rush D should improve if they can find a linebacker or 3.
Mar. 2 - 9:18 p.m. ET

El Tejano
01-26-2010, 09:37 AM
At the time we were a 3-4 defense right? Seth also showed to be productive for us already. If not for a career ending injury in 2005 Payne probably would've helped make a great D line when Mario got here.

Keep in mind we had the C&C stupid factory running things still at that time.

infantrycak
01-26-2010, 09:57 AM
Seth Payne was a very good DT/NT until his injury at the hands of turf that was so bad it was changed mid-season a few weeks later. A long way from the worst decision the Texans have ever made.

No More 8-8's
01-26-2010, 10:15 AM
Yeah Seth was good, but was he good after he signed that contract.......No.

Would you rather have Seth Payne or Pat Williams?

infantrycak
01-26-2010, 10:24 AM
Yeah Seth was good, but was he good after he signed that contract.......No.

Would you rather have Seth Payne or Pat Williams?

So we are just playing the "if we knew he was about to be injured" game? If I am going to criticize a team it is for something they should have known at the time. For example if I'm Dom Capers and Joe Pendry walks up to me and says I want to start Victor Riley at LT I fire Pendry because it should have been obvious to any coach Riley couldn't hold down that position. But they don't have crystal balls to know a very good DT is going to screw his knee into a twisted piece of carpet in a dilapidated stadium with a rat running across the field during the game.

El Tejano
01-26-2010, 10:30 AM
So we are just playing the "if we knew he was about to be injured" game? If I am going to criticize a team it is for something they should have known at the time. For example if I'm Dom Capers and Joe Pendry walks up to me and says I want to start Victor Riley at LT I fire Pendry because it should have been obvious to any coach Riley couldn't hold down that position. But they don't have crystal balls to know a very good DT is going to screw his knee into a twisted piece of carpet in a dilapidated stadium with a rat running across the field during the game.

What game was that again? New Orleans right?

infantrycak
01-26-2010, 10:36 AM
What game was that again? New Orleans right?

Yup New Orleans. And a rat did run across the field during the game.

DeMarCushPoll
01-26-2010, 10:53 AM
Show me one team, any team in any sport that has made the right personnel decision every time. They don't exist. The good thing is that the Texans are making the right decisions now.

Hervoyel
01-26-2010, 11:15 AM
The Texans have made plenty of obvious "WTF?" decisions in their short existence. No need to bring up something like this. Even Casserly couldn't have foreseen that Payne was going to destroy his knee and become a shadow of the player he was. It wasn't a bad decision on the Texans part. It was just some of their patented first-regime bad luck.

DeMarCushPoll
01-26-2010, 11:18 AM
The Texans have made plenty of obvious "WTF?" decisions in their short existence. No need to bring up something like this. Even Casserly couldn't have foreseen that Payne was going to destroy his knee and become a shadow of the player he was. It wasn't a bad decision on the Texans part. It was just some of their patented first-regime bad luck.

Exactly! Why relive it?

D-ReK
01-26-2010, 11:21 AM
Show me one team, any team in any sport that has made the right personnel decision every time. They don't exist. The good thing is that the Texans are making the right decisions now.

Agreed, for the most part. I'd say that the current regime hits more than they whiff, but Ahman Green and Chris Brown are both bad signings that are hard to get over.

As for the OP, from KFFL:

Texans | Williams Said No - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:22:58 -0700

Paul J. Letlow, of the News Star, reports Minnesota Vikings DT Pat Williams said he turned down an offer from the Houston Texans to sign with the Minnesota Vikings.

Williams shunned the Texans and Browns so that he could play for a team with a realistic shot at playing in some meaningful games.

If you want to play the hypothetical game, extending Carr was a worse move because it removed us from the Drew Brees sweepstakes. Brees was looking for money and we would have had it had we not extended Carr. Then we would have been able to keep our 2 2nd rounders and picked up either Tony Ugoh, Sidney Rice, LaMarr Woodley, or David Harris in 2007 and DeSean Jackson, Calais Campbell, Ray Rice, or Jason Jones in 2008. Of course, this is all hypothetical, so what the hell does it matter?

GuerillaBlack
01-26-2010, 11:38 AM
And then instead of Amobi, we could have drafted Darrell Revis. And then... And then...

Time to move on I say.

TimeKiller
01-26-2010, 11:43 AM
Cherry picking is fun like...after a draft or something. Cherry picking free agent signings 5 years later is tewwible. It's not really a viable criticism and there's no way you can be wrong.

Just start a thread and say Charlie Casserly sucked.

Line_Producer
01-26-2010, 04:06 PM
If the US hadn't wanted to get to the moon to make a base, the Cold War might not have started. Wait. what??!
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