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Texan4Ever
01-25-2010, 02:24 PM
WalterFootball has an updated mock draft with the Texans taking Dan Williams, defensive tackle from Tennessee:

If Donovan Warren and Earl Thomas are both off the board, the Texans will be in a really tough spot. They'll either have to trade up for one of those two guys, or move down about 10 spots. As it stands now, the only players who remotely make any sort of sense here are: Damian Williams, Dan Williams, Sean Weatherspoon, Brandon Ghee and Taylor Mays.

Of those options, Dan Williams is the only non-reach who satisfied a dire need. The Texans could really use a solid nose tackle to bolster their defensive interior, and Williams is coming off a great year in Monte Kiffin's defense.


I like Dan Williams and I don't have any problems with this pick if Donovan Warren and Joe Haden are both gone. Williams is not only a best in the trenches but he can get after the QB and do more then just take up space.

Goatcheese
01-25-2010, 02:42 PM
There's a lot of talk about Williams not being a self starter. The last thing this D-Line needs is another 1st round D-lineman who has to be motivated to play. One Williams who has to be told to play hard is enough for me.

If Price is there I would consider him, but I can't get excited about Williams.

HOU-TEX
01-25-2010, 02:49 PM
Admittedly, I've just begun taking a look at this years crop. That said, one thing that I've seen quite a bit while reading up on Williams is that his game is very inconsistent.

I understand these analysis are oft incorrect. I just thought I'd point it out.

That will help Williams' draft stock, which currently suggests that he will probably be taken sometime in the third round of the 2010 draft. Consistency will probably prevent him from going off the board any earlier, but he has all the makings of a steal on Day 2.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2435

Williams may only have to convince scouts that his senior campaign wasn't a fluke to rank among the elite in what some believe is an historic class of interior defensive linemen.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1125522

Weaknesses:
Extremely inconsistent --- Effort / Motor runs hot and cold --- Does not always use proper leverage --- Limited repertoire of moves --- Will not offer much as a pass rusher --- Average hand use --- Struggles to get off blocks at times --- Has serious issues with conditioning and stamina.

Talented prospect who can be as good as he wants to be but shaky intangibles are a big concern --- Showed what an impact player he is capable of being at times as a senior but the key will be keeping him in shape and motivated --- Boom or Bust.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Dan-Williams.php

JB
01-25-2010, 02:52 PM
Admittedly, I've just begun taking a look at this years crop. That said, one thing that I've seen quite a bit while reading up on Williams is that his game is very inconsistent.

I understand these analysis are oft incorrect. I just thought I'd point it out.



http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2435



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1125522





http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Dan-Williams.php


Sounds eerily Johnsonesque to me...

bah007
01-25-2010, 03:31 PM
There's a lot of talk about Williams not being a self starter. The last thing this D-Line needs is another 1st round D-lineman who has to be motivated to play. One Williams who has to be told to play hard is enough for me.

If Price is there I would consider him, but I can't get excited about Williams.

Agree. If we go DT in round one I would much rather have Price. Not only is he more talented, but I think he fits our style of play better.

badboy
01-25-2010, 04:59 PM
Walter missed this one. He needs to go back to his Jonathan Dwyer pick.

WolverineFan
01-25-2010, 05:01 PM
Sounds eerily Johnsonesque to me...

We don't need to take another boom or bust DT in the 1st. Johnson was an absolute bust. He played decent in his last year, but we ended up basically trading the #16 pick for a 6th round pick. As for Okoye, he got drafted in the top 10 because of his age not his ability. He was a borderline 1st round talent, but because he was so young he went in the top 10. I don't like taking DT's in the 1st because many of them bust.

We don't need an elite DT. We just need 4 good ones. Okoye and Cody are decent players and Robinson is serviceable. We should just add a DT in the 3rd-5th range and be done with it. We did fine stopping the run last year without an elite DT.

nero THE zero
01-25-2010, 05:15 PM
We don't need an elite DT. We just need 4 good ones. Okoye and Cody are decent players and Robinson is serviceable. We should just add a DT in the 3rd-5th range and be done with it. We did fine stopping the run last year without an elite DT.

That's fine and dandy, but what about the pass rush? Do you know how many times near-sacks by our DE would have turned into sacks or pressures rather than easy completions if we had anybody who could force pressure, or merely hold their ground in the middle? There's really no question that we need a DT, and if we feel like one available to us in round one will be a good player, we need to take him.

bah007
01-25-2010, 05:20 PM
That's fine and dandy, but what about the pass rush? Do you know how many times near-sacks by our DE would have turned into sacks rather than easy completions if we had anybody who could force pressure, or merely hold their ground in the middle? There's really no question that we need a DT, and if we feel like one available to us in round one will be a good player, we need to take him.

Agreed. If Price is on the board and Thomas is gone I would have a hard time passing on him.

Our DTs do fine against the run but we need a guy that can also penetrate on passing downs. Price is both of those things.

Texan4Ever
01-26-2010, 12:46 AM
DraftCountdown has us taking Brian Price from UCLA in the updated mock. Guess I need to see more game tape before I start making comments about him.

threetoedpete
01-28-2010, 12:47 PM
We don't need to take another boom or bust DT in the 1st. Johnson was an absolute bust. He played decent in his last year, but we ended up basically trading the #16 pick for a 6th round pick. As for Okoye, he got drafted in the top 10 because of his age not his ability. He was a borderline 1st round talent, but because he was so young he went in the top 10. I don't like taking DT's in the 1st because many of them bust.

We don't need an elite DT. We just need 4 good ones. Okoye and Cody are decent players and Robinson is serviceable. We should just add a DT in the 3rd-5th range and be done with it. We did fine stopping the run last year without an elite DT.

It might be that they, the Texans picked the position I was banging for the last couple of drafts, but my knee jerk is our scouts have done a pretty good job. If Walter's has inside info....and I didn't watch a lot of UCLA football so I don't know.... but my knee jerk is there is no one on this board who is going to get to Mr. Manning any quicker, any faster, than what they already have on the roster. And as far as Brian Price, Carrigington, C.J. Willson, or Ordick are concerned, they are all good rotation guys and would make us better. But unless a one year lame duck coach knows something we all don't, Kubiak will be drafting to save his contract. Mr. McClain keeps putting it out there that we're taking a skinny quick DT...so it's coming from somewhere. Looks like coach smoke to me to get to Iupati.

Ole Miss Texan
01-28-2010, 12:52 PM
Their 4 round mock now has us taking:

1. Dan Williams, DT Tennessee
2. Kyle Wilson, CB Boise St.
3. Toby Gerhart, RB Stanford
4. Mike Petrus, G Arkansas

That's a pretty good haul if you ask me. Still nervous about DW though.

rmartin65
01-28-2010, 02:05 PM
Their 4 round mock now has us taking:

1. Dan Williams, DT Tennessee
2. Kyle Wilson, CB Boise St.
3. Toby Gerhart, RB Stanford
4. Mike Petrus, G Arkansas

That's a pretty good haul if you ask me. Still nervous about DW though.

That would be fantastic. I am not a huge Williams fan, but the next 3 picks kick ass.

WolverineFan
01-28-2010, 02:14 PM
Their 4 round mock now has us taking:

1. Dan Williams, DT Tennessee
2. Kyle Wilson, CB Boise St.
3. Toby Gerhart, RB Stanford
4. Mike Petrus, G Arkansas

That's a pretty good haul if you ask me. Still nervous about DW though.

I'm not too high on Williams, but he has played well at the Senior Bowl so that's a start.

Getting Wilson in the 2nd would be awesome. As it stands now there's no way he lasts that long.

I'm not very high on Gerhart, especially in the 3rd round. There's better players available.

Petrus is a good prospect, but I doubt he lasts until the 4th round.

Ole Miss Texan
01-28-2010, 02:23 PM
That would be fantastic. I am not a huge Williams fan, but the next 3 picks kick ass.

Yea, what was interesting is that they had Jonathan Dwyer taken AFTER our 2nd round pick. If the board was set up like they had it I'd love a trade down (like for Duane Brown). So just pretending we could and going back to Cherry Pick, I like this.

Late 1st: CB Kyle Wilson/Perrish Cox
2nd: RB Jonathan Dwyer
3rd: FS Morgan Burnett
Extra 3rd: WR/RB Dexter McCluster
4th: OG Mitch Petrus

Trade the Travis Johnson pick to Denver for OG Chris Kuper and pick up a DT in Free Agency. We'd be set.

Blake
01-28-2010, 03:19 PM
He lists Lamarr Houston as the Colts pick at 32. Does anyone see him going this high?

I was thinking he would be a great 3rd round selection.

FS Earl Thomas
CB Kyle Wilson
DT Lamarr Houston

WolverineFan
01-28-2010, 04:11 PM
He lists Lamarr Houston as the Colts pick at 32. Does anyone see him going this high?

I was thinking he would be a great 3rd round selection.

FS Earl Thomas
CB Kyle Wilson
DT Lamarr Houston

Houston will probably work his way into the 2nd round after the combine. I can see him getting picked in the late 2nd round, but not in the 1st.

steelbtexan
01-28-2010, 10:41 PM
I'm waiting until after the SR bowl to do a complete mock but here's 5 rds. I'll give a choice and a 2nd choice. This is after watching the practices.

Rd 1 D.Williams,Dwyer, ( Iupati, Thomas and Spiller are gone)
Rd 2 K.Wilson, B.Ghee (These are 2 possible no.1 CB's in draft, they fall because draft is loaded at CB)
Rd 3 J.Asamoah,M.Johnson (Asamoah falls because of injury and short arms.) He is a big strong mobile guy, He or Johnson should be here and would be a great pick.
Rd 4 Chris Cook, M.Rolle (Cook is a big athletic CB who has looked good this week playing S.) He can cover the slot WR. Rolle a Rhodes Scholar would be a Smithiak kind of guy
Rd5 Stafon Johnson, L.Coker (Goal line RB at USC has good hands and is good at pass pro. Wouldn't be here except for weight lifting accident, Coker, think Chris Johnson)
Rd 5 Carrington,Newhouse (Has been a revelation this week powerful yet quick at 280lbs he can play DE or drop down to DT in pass rush situations. Newhouse big guy who can move 3 yr starter and team leader)

These are just some observations, let me know if I'm right on evals and what rds these guys go in.

Texan4Ever
01-28-2010, 11:06 PM
Lamaar Houston is going up the boards and he might be a suprise 1st rounder to the Colts (late first of course). Stat wise he is the best or one of the best DTs in the draft and he is a solid football player who doesn't have off the field issues like some of the other guys on the Horns' roster.

WolverineFan
01-28-2010, 11:07 PM
I'm waiting until after the SR bowl to do a complete mock but here's 5 rds. I'll give a choice and a 2nd choice. This is after watching the practices.

Rd 1 D.Williams,Dwyer, ( Iupati, Thomas and Spiller are gone)
Rd 2 K.Wilson, B.Ghee (These are 2 possible no.1 CB's in draft, they fall because draft is loaded at CB)
Rd 3 J.Asamoah,M.Johnson (Asamoah falls because of injury and short arms.) He is a big strong mobile guy, He or Johnson should be here and would be a great pick.
Rd 4 Chris Cook, M.Rolle (Cook is a big athletic CB who has looked good this week playing S.) He can cover the slot WR. Rolle a Rhodes Scholar would be a Smithiak kind of guy
Rd5 Stafon Johnson, L.Coker (Goal line RB at USC has good hands and is good at pass pro. Wouldn't be here except for weight lifting accident, Coker, think Chris Johnson)
Rd 5 Carrington,Newhouse (Has been a revelation this week powerful yet quick at 280lbs he can play DE or drop down to DT in pass rush situations. Newhouse big guy who can move 3 yr starter and team leader)

These are just some observations, let me know if I'm right on evals and what rds these guys go in.

1st RD - It's a tad early for Williams, but really the only place we can grab him. Dwyer could be had later if we traded back.

2nd RD - Dont' see us being able to get Wilson or Ghee. By our pick they will be gone.

3rd RD - Mike Johnson will be gone way before our pick in the 3rd.

4th RD - After the Senior Bowl I seriously doubt Rolle gets out of the 3rd round.

5th RD - Carrington has had a good Senior Bowl and he should be available in our pick area. His game is very similar to A. Smith's though.

steelbtexan
01-28-2010, 11:28 PM
1st RD - It's a tad early for Williams, but really the only place we can grab him. Dwyer could be had later if we traded back.

2nd RD - Dont' see us being able to get Wilson or Ghee. By our pick they will be gone.

3rd RD - Mike Johnson will be gone way before our pick in the 3rd.

4th RD - After the Senior Bowl I seriously doubt Rolle gets out of the 3rd round.

5th RD - Carrington has had a good Senior Bowl and he should be available in our pick area. His game is very similar to A. Smith's though.

2nd rd. After Haden I have

Wilson,Warren,Ghee,Spievey,Robinson and Cox. One of these would be good value and should be available.

3rd rd. I want Asamoah he should be available, Johnson hasn't had a bad week but he hasn't stood out. This is the definition of a 3rd rd pick. IMO

4th rd. I really like what I've seen of Cook, You may be right about Rolle but one of Cook,Rolle or m.Wright should be available here and a great value. This is one of the deepest S classes I've seen.

5th rd. Carrington appears to have more length and burst than A.Smith. You never can have enough pass rushers.

TexCanada
02-03-2010, 02:26 PM
Walter has updated and changed our pick to Earl Thomas. Dan Williams' stock has gone up and therefore has Pittsburgh selecting him over Thomas. We get Cox in round 2, Gerhart in 3 and Arthur Jones in 4. I think all Texans fans could get excited about this draft. The only thing is that it doesn't address our O-Line, but we could possibly look after that through FA and a trade for Kuper.

HOU-TEX
02-03-2010, 03:07 PM
Walter has updated and changed our pick to Earl Thomas. Dan Williams' stock has gone up and therefore has Pittsburgh selecting him over Thomas. We get Cox in round 2, Gerhart in 3 and Arthur Jones in 4. I think all Texans fans could get excited about this draft. The only thing is that it doesn't address our O-Line, but we could possibly look after that through FA and a trade for Kuper.

Not that it matters, but didn't Pitt pick a 1st round DT last draft? Hood, I think?

Blake
02-03-2010, 03:12 PM
Not that it matters, but didn't Pitt pick a 1st round DT last draft? Hood, I think?

You are correct sir. Ziggy Hood. Drafted #32

This is wikipedia so take it for what you will.

Pittsburgh Steelers

He will move to defensive end and primarily serve as a rotational back-up for his rookie year. Hood recorded both his first sack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback_sack) and his first recovered fumble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumble) against the Baltimore Ravens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Ravens) on December 27, 2009.


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So I guess they still need a replacement for Hampton who might not be back next season.

bah007
02-03-2010, 03:15 PM
Not that it matters, but didn't Pitt pick a 1st round DT last draft? Hood, I think?

Hood projected as more of a DE than a DT in the 34. I wouldn't expect to see him in the middle too often.

HOU-TEX
02-03-2010, 03:51 PM
You are correct sir. Ziggy Hood. Drafted #32

This is wikipedia so take it for what you will.

Pittsburgh Steelers

He will move to defensive end and primarily serve as a rotational back-up for his rookie year. Hood recorded both his first sack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback_sack) and his first recovered fumble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumble) against the Baltimore Ravens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Ravens) on December 27, 2009.


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So I guess they still need a replacement for Hampton who might not be back next season.

Hood projected as more of a DE than a DT in the 34. I wouldn't expect to see him in the middle too often.

Cool, thanks. I've got the past 3 drafts in my desk drawer. I was just too dadgum lazy to take a gander at them.

badboy
02-03-2010, 04:34 PM
Walter has updated and changed our pick to Earl Thomas. Dan Williams' stock has gone up and therefore has Pittsburgh selecting him over Thomas. We get Cox in round 2, Gerhart in 3 and Arthur Jones in 4. I think all Texans fans could get excited about this draft. The only thing is that it doesn't address our O-Line, but we could possibly look after that through FA and a trade for Kuper.I think this is Thomas second time on Walter at first round. I still have him gone but this mock would be great.

Oline.. Changing my mind on how this will be handled a bit. I now see Pitts being re-signed. I think Coach likes his play and effort. He turns 31 June but can give us two years if healthy. I see him as a loyal guy who wants to retire in Houston and help this team go deep. He is not great but solid and will help in Red Zone especially with a power RB like Foster or my guy Gerhart. I am drafting LT/OG Marshall Newhouse in 5th from TCU. 6'3" 326 5.06. He projects to G and played both positions well in Shriner's. He should push Pitts by end of year one & might replace Butler or Studdard.

Ole Miss Texan
02-03-2010, 04:55 PM
Just looking through past drafts, in 2008 Michael Griffin (FS Texas) was drafted at 19 and Aaron Ross (CB Texas) was drafted at 20. Seeing how we're drafting at 19.5 maybe we'll take Earl Thomas (DB Texas) and he'll be both those player combined!

Blake
02-04-2010, 11:26 AM
Cherry Pickin it.

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State
4. Arthur Jones, DT, Syracuse

OR

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4. LaGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon

Ole Miss Texan
02-04-2010, 11:35 AM
Cherry Pickin it.

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford
4. Myron Rolle, Team Neurosurgeon, Rhodes Scholar - University of Oxford

Wolf6151
02-04-2010, 12:40 PM
Cherry Pickin it.

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4. LaGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon

I like this one alot, fixes our 2 biggest weaknesses in the secondary and O-line/running game. We'd be extremely lucky for the draft to go like this.

steelbtexan
02-04-2010, 12:51 PM
I like this one alot, fixes our 2 biggest weaknesses in the secondary and O-line/running game. We'd be extremely lucky for the draft to go like this.

I like that draft too.

It addresses most of the needs.

You could trade bak into the 3/4 rd and draft a DT that can contribute next year.

Using the 5th rd picks as a tool to move up in the draft.

badboy
02-04-2010, 01:14 PM
Cherry Pickin it.

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State
4. Arthur Jones, DT, Syracuse

OR

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4. LaGarrette Blount, RB, OregonBlount is very interesting to me. He had a very good Senior bowl & I expect him to do well in combine. Doubt McNair will draft but he will be a player imo.

threetoedpete
02-04-2010, 02:54 PM
I think this is Thomas second time on Walter at first round. I still have him gone but this mock would be great.

Oline.. Changing my mind on how this will be handled a bit. I now see Pitts being re-signed. I think Coach likes his play and effort. He turns 31 June but can give us two years if healthy. I see him as a loyal guy who wants to retire in Houston and help this team go deep. He is not great but solid and will help in Red Zone especially with a power RB like Foster or my guy Gerhart. I am drafting LT/OG Marshall Newhouse in 5th from TCU. 6'3" 326 5.06. He projects to G and played both positions well in Shriner's. He should push Pitts by end of year one & might replace Butler or Studdard.


Good job. I take Marshall Newhouse in the third. I don't fool around with it. I don't care who we pass up in the third. Lock down the right guard positon. Body slam it.

badboy
02-04-2010, 03:37 PM
Good job. I take Marshall Newhouse in the third. I don't fool around with it. I don't care who we pass up in the third. Lock down the right guard positon. Body slam it.Understand your sentiments and that is my reason for drafting Gerhart in 2nd round. Now here is my thoughts on this situation and why I am doing a bit differently. Pitts will be back and if healthy is the starter. Kubes is comfortable with his skills and being a long time veteran. He immediately makes Brown and Myers better. Caldwell & Briesel battle for RG. Newhouse is rated no higher than 5th & I don't want to burn my third where I get my center Walton.

threetoedpete
02-04-2010, 04:12 PM
Understand your sentiments and that is my reason for drafting Gerhart in 2nd round. Now here is my thoughts on this situation and why I am doing a bit differently. Pitts will be back and if healthy is the starter. Kubes is comfortable with his skills and being a long time veteran. He immediately makes Brown and Myers better. Caldwell & Briesel battle for RG. Newhouse is rated no higher than 5th & I don't want to burn my third where I get my center Walton.

& I understand. I saw enough of Walton, to be on board...But the problem is handling the elite DTs and the larger NTs of the league. And we're going to face a bushel full of them next season. Doing what we always done.....after we know for certain it didn't work for fourteen (week sixteen brain fart) games last season.... I dunno, I'm not to hopeful about that scenario. Kubiak isn't moving Myers, unless he drops down stone cold dead or he gets injured. Once an Aggie always an Aggie. He hasn't moved his vet o-lineman out when they are stinking up the house since he's been here. And I don't know, but I doubt he makes a switch at center this year. He goes with the vet and let's them play their way out of it. Either Caldwell is going to have to put on an additional ten to twelve pounds of muscle. Or they are going to have to draft a RG; a right guard with great feet and extraordinary strength. Or, we spend another season seeing our guards thrown around like Raggiedy Ann dolls all season.

badboy
02-04-2010, 04:37 PM
& I understand. I saw enough of Walton, to be on board...But the problem is handling the elite DTs and the larger NTs of the league. And we're going to face a bushel full of them next season. Doing what we always done.....after we know for certain it didn't work for fourteen (week sixteen brain fart) games last season.... I dunno, I'm not to hopeful about that scenario. Kubiak isn't moving Myers, unless he drops down stone cold dead or he gets injured. Once an Aggie always an Aggie. He hasn't moved his vet o-lineman out when they are stinking up the house since he's been here. And I don't know, but I doubt he makes a switch at center this year. He goes with the vet and let's them play their way out of it. Either Caldwell is going to have to put on an additional ten to twelve pounds of muscle. Or they are going to have to draft a RG; a right guard with great feet and extraordinary strength. Or, we spend another season seeing our guards thrown around like Raggiedy Ann dolls all season.I agree 100 %! But most of this past season that you refer to is not our Oline. There was Chris White, Caldwell, Studdard and I thought another guy takes plays as starters. Probably none will start game one. Sure injuries can put us back in same scenario, but if my draft happens our back ups will be much better. A 308 pound Pitts and a 309 Caldwell (my RG starter) helps Myers. If one of those goes down my Newhouse at 326 actually adds bulk. I think Caldwell has pick up a few pounds at end of season but not positive. Let's not over look the value of a banger like Gerhart that makes the Oline better and allows Schaub a whole nother option. We will not fix everything but will definitely be much better off.

threetoedpete
02-04-2010, 04:49 PM
Well we'll see. Just like at line backer in '08, when you lost the starters...we could not defend speed on the outside. And this year with the guards, when they matched up against two teams, one with major dings in their front seven, and one holding out an all pro type NT.....we started to roll in the rushing attack. You're saying lets stand pat with the current roster which in itself struggled in September, and see what another year of grooming will do.

And I'm saying let's not wait on anything. Let's draft the 326 pound behemoth with great feet and see what happens. I believe what happens is we suddenly find a consistent running attack on the right against any defensive scheme, under any scenario, on any Sunday. And yes I 'd pay a little more draft capital, take a little more risk earlier for that. Let the quick guards fight it out for the other spot.

Texan4Ever
02-04-2010, 04:50 PM
We could always draft Maurkice Pouncey (Florida) as our future Center. He is big and has the ability to take on bigger NTs and DTs.

badboy
02-04-2010, 05:03 PM
We could always draft Maurkice Pouncey (Florida) as our future Center. He is big and has the ability to take on bigger NTs and DTs.Pouncy will be gone by our 3rd and I'm locked in with my 2nd round being Gerhart. Your guy is great though.

steelbtexan
02-04-2010, 05:39 PM
Pouncy will be gone by our 3rd and I'm locked in with my 2nd round being Gerhart. Your guy is great though.

Maybe the trade for Kuper and Hillis goes through.

Then draft Asamoah 315lbs in the 3rd with great feet or Newhouse in the 4th and your OL is set. You also have the big banger at RB that everybody has been clamouring for.

painekiller
02-04-2010, 06:15 PM
1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford
4. Myron Rolle, Team Neurosurgeon, Rhodes Scholar - University of Oxford

My turn

1 Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
2 Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
3 Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4 Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee

I grabbed two of the best CBs in the draft. According to Walter's #2 and #3. Stole a OG that will go in the 2nd after the senior bowl week, should start from day 1 at LT. Hardesty is a decent runner, rather take James Starks, Buffalo or Stafon Johnson, USC.

Texan4Ever
02-04-2010, 06:22 PM
My turn

1 Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
2 Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
3 Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4 Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee

I grabbed two of the best CBs in the draft. According to Walter's #2 and #3. Stole a OG that will go in the 2nd after the senior bowl week, should start from day 1 at LT. Hardesty is a decent runner, rather take James Starks, Buffalo or Stafon Johnson, USC.



I like your draft as it covers our needs, however, the problem/delimna we face is that we can either go defense and get a solid CB or S in the 2nd and 3rd rounds or we have to upgrade our o-line and get a C and OG or we can go RB or some other combo.

Personally, our defense needs to do better and I would also like to see Schaub take fewer hits so if we can get Earl Thomas/Joe Haden, then Maurkice Pouncey, Mitch Petrus, and a RB we would be set.

badboy
02-05-2010, 11:49 AM
Maybe the trade for Kuper and Hillis goes through.

Then draft Asamoah 315lbs in the 3rd with great feet or Newhouse in the 4th and your OL is set. You also have the big banger at RB that everybody has been clamouring for.I am not as gung ho on Kuper as some. I do not watch Denver games & he does not stand out as a great FA pick up. He is 3 years younger than Pitts.
http://broncotalk.net/2008/07/1860/player-bios-denver-broncos/chris-kuper-denver-broncos-player-bio/

badboy
02-05-2010, 12:01 PM
My turn

1 Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
2 Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
3 Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4 Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee

I grabbed two of the best CBs in the draft. According to Walter's #2 and #3. Stole a OG that will go in the 2nd after the senior bowl week, should start from day 1 at LT. Hardesty is a decent runner, rather take James Starks, Buffalo or Stafon Johnson, USC.Ok, wait wait..you are going to draft Mike Johnson and start him day one at left tackle? In 2008 he played 2 games there getting injured the second game. I have seen no one pushing him for LT. What is your thought on replacing our LT Brown? Is Duane a better LG than Johnson? or do you feel Johnson is a better LT? I give you credit for waking me up this morning. You also say he will go 2nd round but you can get him in third? I agree he might be in round three but not at our pick.

You select Hardesty then say you prefer two other RBs. Why not draft the ones you like? You have an interesting mock but your reasoning throws me a bit. You draft two CBs, can I assume you think Dunta will not be back and why?

badboy
02-05-2010, 12:10 PM
I like your draft as it covers our needs, however, the problem/delimna we face is that we can either go defense and get a solid CB or S in the 2nd and 3rd rounds or we have to upgrade our o-line and get a C and OG or we can go RB or some other combo.

Personally, our defense needs to do better and I would also like to see Schaub take fewer hits so if we can get Earl Thomas/Joe Haden, then Maurkice Pouncey, Mitch Petrus, and a RB we would be set.It is possible for Thomas to be there #20 & I hope so. Pouncy may be there second round but iffy. He would beat out Myers next season at some point. i had Petrus in 3rd before the Seniors game but he was evaluated as poor technique. That could be corrected but I have shuffled my board to eliminate him. If we get Pouncy and Petrus can be fixed, you have a great mock. Now sell me on a running back that resolves our "move the pile and score in Red Zone" issue and what round. I'll then give you an A+. Steve

Texan4Ever
02-06-2010, 11:40 PM
It is possible for Thomas to be there #20 & I hope so. Pouncy may be there second round but iffy. He would beat out Myers next season at some point. i had Petrus in 3rd before the Seniors game but he was evaluated as poor technique. That could be corrected but I have shuffled my board to eliminate him. If we get Pouncy and Petrus can be fixed, you have a great mock. Now sell me on a running back that resolves our "move the pile and score in Red Zone" issue and what round. I'll then give you an A+. Steve


Maybe we can take a gamble on a D2 running back? IDK of any off the top of my head but I'm gonna look into some of the D2 talent out there and see what they have.

Here's my game plan for the Texans:

1.) Get Earl Thomas or Joe Haden

2.) Maurkice Pouncey

3.) Toby Gerhart (?) or Mitch Petrus (He can be coached and had a solid senior season from what I saw)

4.) Kade Weston (Maybe early but at 6'5" 325-lbs he can stop the run and get to the QB, I just think he is something special.)

5.) Get a CB or some defensive player

6.) Get another offensive player

7.) Zoltan Mesko (Punter)

FA get a kicker to compete with Kris Brown.

beerlover
02-07-2010, 08:05 AM
1st - Kyle Wilson, CB, I have him rated #2 in his class
2nd - Daryl Washington, WILL, DeMeco MIKE, Cushing SAM
3rd - Toby Gerhart, RB, rmartin65/badboy would kill me if I don't take him
4th - Jacoby Ford, WR, in Percy Harvin mold

they messed me up with Linval Joseph going earlier than expected (#107) other than that solidified defense 1st day & improved some holes in the offense on 2nd. If it pans out this way I would expect Texans to address the trenches as a free agent priority, signing both OL & DT this offseason.

badboy
02-08-2010, 02:36 PM
Maybe we can take a gamble on a D2 running back? IDK of any off the top of my head but I'm gonna look into some of the D2 talent out there and see what they have.
Here's my game plan for the Texans:

1.) Get Earl Thomas or Joe Haden

2.) Maurkice Pouncey

3.) Toby Gerhart (?) or Mitch Petrus (He can be coached and had a solid senior season from what I saw)

4.) Kade Weston (Maybe early but at 6'5" 325-lbs he can stop the run and get to the QB, I just think he is something special.)

5.) Get a CB or some defensive player

6.) Get another offensive player

7.) Zoltan Mesko (Punter)

FA get a kicker to compete with Kris Brown.Bolded above is a good idea if it works. Remember Kubiac saying he wanted Glenn Coffee who went before we selected? The last two years Kubes had stated the priority need of a big back that can get short yardage and first down or move the pile to keep our D off the field and to score in the Red Zone. We have failed at that miserably. A Gerhart type that has carried the rock for almost 2,000 yards & seems to get stronger the more he runs reminds me of Earl Campbell. Why wait on someone you HOPE is there? No thanks. We can get a cover corner (Kyle Wilson), a power feature back who found the end zone 28 times(TG) a center in JD Walton that is one of two players that might beat out Myers first year. Let's do that. :chili:

BOLIO
02-08-2010, 09:52 PM
As a Longhorn, I love me some Thomas...BUT... I really want to FIX something. Complete something. I want to be able to run the football. Thats my goal for this draft and off-season. Get the guard from Denver(Kuper) and draft the following.

1)Dwyer RB Georgia Tech. Trade back a few spots if you can get away with it or just take him at 19/20.
2) Pouncey OC. He is the best Center in the draft.
3) Johnson OG Bama. Fits our system and will provide depth this year and start his 2nd.

Have I been begging for a safety for years? YES! But we have needed to "Fix" our OL since day one. Let's fix it this year.

Texan4Ever
02-08-2010, 11:14 PM
[QUOTE=BOLIO;1362695]As a Longhorn, I love me some Thomas...BUT... I really want to FIX something. Complete something. I want to be able to run the football. Thats my goal for this draft and off-season. Get the guard from Denver(Kuper) and draft the following.QUOTE]



Whats with the hype behind Kuper, anyone care to explain?

playa465
02-08-2010, 11:27 PM
Get the guard from Denver(Kuper)



Whats with the hype behind Kuper, anyone care to explain?

I was wondering the same thing too...he did not perform up to par this season according to quite a few Bronco fans but they did have some injury issues on their OL too.

LonerATO
02-09-2010, 03:52 AM
I was wondering the same thing too...he did not perform up to par this season according to quite a few Bronco fans but they did have some injury issues on their OL too.

Kuper is a ZBS guard and he would do well on he Texans OL. He didn't do well with the new system that McDaniels brought in

badboy
02-09-2010, 03:18 PM
Kuper is a ZBS guard and he would do well on he Texans OL. He didn't do well with the new system that McDaniels brought inHow did he do before O scheme changed? I can find nothing to move this guy in over Chester Pitts but 3 years younger.

badboy
02-09-2010, 03:33 PM
As a Longhorn, I love me some Thomas...BUT... I really want to FIX something. Complete something. I want to be able to run the football. Thats my goal for this draft and off-season. Get the guard from Denver(Kuper) and draft the following.

1)Dwyer RB Georgia Tech. Trade back a few spots if you can get away with it or just take him at 19/20.
2) Pouncey OC. He is the best Center in the draft.
3) Johnson OG Bama. Fits our system and will provide depth this year and start his 2nd.

Have I been begging for a safety for years? YES! But we have needed to "Fix" our OL since day one. Let's fix it this year.Why do you pick Dwyer over TG? Dwyer has a faster 40 but little else comes close to Gerhart. Interested in your thoughts.

mussop
02-09-2010, 07:52 PM
Why do you pick Dwyer over TG? Dwyer has a faster 40 but little else comes close to Gerhart. Interested in your thoughts.

What do you mean, "Dwyer has a faster 40 but little else comes close to Gerhart."?

steelbtexan
02-09-2010, 09:46 PM
How did he do before O scheme changed? I can find nothing to move this guy in over Chester Pitts but 3 years younger.

Kuper was the LG on a top 5 offensive team when Shanny was there.

Check out Dennisons bio when he was OC if you want to see how Denvers OL did under Shanny/Denny.

threetoedpete
02-10-2010, 02:50 AM
We could always draft Maurkice Pouncey (Florida) as our future Center. He is big and has the ability to take on bigger NTs and DTs.

I agree with this solution too. But there is no evidence that Kubiak is going to do this. The history has been quite opposite.

threetoedpete
02-10-2010, 02:57 AM
What do you mean, "Dwyer has a faster 40 but little else comes close to Gerhart."?

If you want someone to bang it in form the one...Toby is your man. If you want a larger every down back, Dywer is your guy. You have to teach Dwyer to block.

But the question the Texans must answer are they desperate enough to take LeGarrette ? He's big. He's fast for a big man. He has enough wiggle to make the first guy miss. But....he's so close to Lawrence Phillips he scares me to death. That will be the drop dead thumbnail on Steve Slaton...they take Phillips er LeGarrette.

threetoedpete
02-10-2010, 03:03 AM
As a Longhorn, I love me some Thomas...BUT... I really want to FIX something. Complete something. I want to be able to run the football. Thats my goal for this draft and off-season. Get the guard from Denver(Kuper) and draft the following.

1)Dwyer RB Georgia Tech. Trade back a few spots if you can get away with it or just take him at 19/20.
2) Pouncey OC. He is the best Center in the draft.
3) Johnson OG Bama. Fits our system and will provide depth this year and start his 2nd.

Have I been begging for a safety for years? YES! But we have needed to "Fix" our OL since day one. Let's fix it this year.

If Johnson is posting 5.4 fifty's at the combine....he's not going to be on their board. Gotta be able to get down the field and block people down on the fly in this offense. 5.4 won't cut it in the ZBS. He's an in the box power o guy @ 5.4. I'm not arguing he isn't good because he is. He just doesn't fit what we do.

And I'm with ya on fixing something. Everyone knows who I've got the man love for by now.

badboy
02-10-2010, 02:42 PM
What do you mean, "Dwyer has a faster 40 but little else comes close to Gerhart."?Dwyers http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236248

Gerharts http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236248

I am not saying Dwyer is a bad guy just that TG is better. The former is more of a sweep around the tackles on a pitch out than up the gut like Gerhart. I want to see how Dwyer's 40 holds up in the combine. I also think Gerhart can block the blitz better than Dwyer but that can be taught.

badboy
02-10-2010, 02:46 PM
Kuper was the LG on a top 5 offensive team when Shanny was there.

Check out Dennisons bio when he was OC if you want to see how Denvers OL did under Shanny/Denny.My concern is a lot of things were different under Shanny that did not convert to our team. The old "any back can get 1000 yds" for example.

Honoring Earl 34
02-10-2010, 02:57 PM
Dwyers http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236248

Gerharts http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236248

I am not saying Dwyer is a bad guy just that TG is better. The former is more of a sweep around the tackles on a pitch out than up the gut like Gerhart. I want to see how Dwyer's 40 holds up in the combine. I also think Gerhart can block the blitz better than Dwyer but that can be taught.

FWIW ... I haven't seen a draft site that ranks Gerhart ahead of Dwyer .

Here's a mock I could live with .

http://www.gbnreport.com/2010projection.html

badboy
02-10-2010, 05:26 PM
FWIW ... I haven't seen a draft site that ranks Gerhart ahead of Dwyer .

Here's a mock I could live with .

http://www.gbnreport.com/2010projection.htmlAnd you will not even on mine because I get my guy in 2nd and Dwyer goes late first round. I fill the CB hole with Wilson. I think my position is solid getting a shutdown type corner and then the best back at least stat wise. I had Dwyer just ahead of TG until both played their final game.

steelbtexan
02-10-2010, 07:06 PM
My concern is a lot of things were different under Shanny that did not convert to our team. The old "any back can get 1000 yds" for example.

I'm not a believer in the any old RB theory either.

I've got Dwyer as my no.1 rated RB in this draft. He reminds me of Jonathon Stewart. I like Gerhart alot also but the fumbling issues concern me. After last season if I'm Smithiak stay away from RB's with fumbling issues at all costs.

I hope they try to trade a 5th rd pick for Hillis and draft L.Coker (you should check him out he can return KR/PR) in the 6th rd. This would solve the suckitude that was the Texans RB corps last year.

Or they can just sign Larry Johnson in FA. LOL

badboy
02-11-2010, 05:14 PM
I'm not a believer in the any old RB theory either.

I've got Dwyer as my no.1 rated RB in this draft. He reminds me of Jonathon Stewart. I like Gerhart alot also but the fumbling issues concern me. After last season if I'm Smithiak stay away from RB's with fumbling issues at all costs.

I hope they try to trade a 5th rd pick for Hillis and draft L.Coker (you should check him out he can return KR/PR) in the 6th rd. This would solve the suckitude that was the Texans RB corps last year.

Or they can just sign Larry Johnson in FA. LOLI think of Jonathan Stewart as a more up the middle power back and Dwyer as a pitch out to go around end with his speed or maybe a slant as the tackle blocks in towards the center. I think Dwyer can be effective in our scheme but prefer a Stewart type.

mussop
02-11-2010, 06:43 PM
I think of Jonathan Stewart as a more up the middle power back and Dwyer as a pitch out to go around end with his speed or maybe a slant as the tackle blocks in towards the center. I think Dwyer can be effective in our scheme but prefer a Stewart type.

You obviously havent watched enough of Dwyer. He is just as good at breaking tackles as Gerhart. And I dont think its a reach to say he will be better in the pros at running up the middle that Gerhart.

steelbtexan
02-11-2010, 07:24 PM
Dwyer is 5'11 235 LBS.

Dwyer spent the last 2 yrs as the fullback in a triple option attack. His main strength is running up the middle. That's what he did for the last 2 yrs.

He's faster than Gerhart, they're about the the same size and Dwyer is less of a fumbler.

The difference is that Dwyer will go in the 1st rd and Gerhart will go in the 3rd rd. IMO

Making Gerhart jast as good if not a better value than Dwyer. It's a flip of the coin really.

badboy
02-12-2010, 01:04 PM
Dwyer is 5'11 235 LBS.

Dwyer spent the last 2 yrs as the fullback in a triple option attack. His main strength is running up the middle. That's what he did for the last 2 yrs.

He's faster than Gerhart, they're about the the same size and Dwyer is less of a fumbler.

The difference is that Dwyer will go in the 1st rd and Gerhart will go in the 3rd rd. IMO

Making Gerhart jast as good if not a better value than Dwyer. It's a flip of the coin really.I watched Dwyer only this year when on TV. The few times he actually carried the ball through the middle, I saw little to excite me. He seemed to operate from the option to the left side and occasionally to the right off tackle. I saw nothing to make me like him for Texans but his stats were very good. As RMARTIN65 knows, Dwyers was my guy until he told me about Gerhart. I'll take your word for his value cause I sure did not see it. In fact, I'd probably rate Mathews then Dixon over Dwyer for Houston.

rmartin65
02-12-2010, 04:58 PM
Dwyer is a guy people look at his measurables and like. Then that taints the viewing of him. Just watch him play. Yes the speed for his size is impressive, but he is not a natural RB. All he does are dives up the middle, showing little to know lateral agility. Add in the amount of rushing options on that team, teams could not afford to key on Dwyer.

mussop
02-12-2010, 10:17 PM
Dwyer is a guy people look at his measurables and like. Then that taints the viewing of him. Just watch him play. Yes the speed for his size is impressive, but he is not a natural RB. All he does are dives up the middle, showing little to know lateral agility. Add in the amount of rushing options on that team, teams could not afford to key on Dwyer.

Thats absolutely crazy. Dwyer is 10X more natural RB than Gerhart who is really nothing more than a FB with good speed who looked better than he really is because he ran behind an OL that consistantly opened huge holes for him. You put Dwyer behind Stanfords line and he blows away anything Gerhart accomplished.

There really is no comparison between the two. Dwyer is a first round talented RB, Gerhart is (at best) a 3rd round talent.

TexansSeminole
02-13-2010, 01:50 AM
Thats absolutely crazy. Dwyer is 10X more natural RB than Gerhart who is really nothing more than a FB with good speed who looked better than he really is because he ran behind an OL that consistantly opened huge holes for him. You put Dwyer behind Stanfords line and he blows away anything Gerhart accomplished.

There really is no comparison between the two. Dwyer is a first round talented RB, Gerhart is (at best) a 3rd round talent.

I also think Dwyer is the much better prospect. He could be a workhorse back in his rookie year IMO.

Corrosion
02-13-2010, 02:36 AM
Thats absolutely crazy. Dwyer is 10X more natural RB than Gerhart who is really nothing more than a FB with good speed who looked better than he really is because he ran behind an OL that consistantly opened huge holes for him. You put Dwyer behind Stanfords line and he blows away anything Gerhart accomplished.

There really is no comparison between the two. Dwyer is a first round talented RB, Gerhart is (at best) a 3rd round talent.

Thats a pretty big assumption - Gerhart is a physical runner with good speed , shifty moves and great balance - the only question about him is his tendancy to not keep contact with the ball on three points ..... I think he may turn out to be a very good pro if he can solve that issue. I dont think he will have a long career because of the physicality of his running but I do think with the right coaching he will be a very good back. I'd take him in the thrid round without question - pending that two of the three of the following were addressed in the forst two rounds - DL , OL and secondary.

rmartin65
02-13-2010, 10:46 AM
Thats absolutely crazy. Dwyer is 10X more natural RB than Gerhart who is really nothing more than a FB with good speed who looked better than he really is because he ran behind an OL that consistantly opened huge holes for him. You put Dwyer behind Stanfords line and he blows away anything Gerhart accomplished.

There really is no comparison between the two. Dwyer is a first round talented RB, Gerhart is (at best) a 3rd round talent.

Really? Gerhart is nothing more than a FB with good speed? Watch some games. Watch when he gets the ball with space, hell, he is more agile than Dwyer laterally.

The OLine is a bit of a concern, but look when they played superior opponents, he still averages 5+ yards per carry. If anything, Dwyer's system is better for RB's. There are 3 legitimate threats on the field. The D has account for all of them. The QB (Nesbitt) chooses the best looking option, which is normally the one with the least defenders in the area. Look what happened when GT faced a good D. Against Iowa he averaged a staggering 3.5 yards per carry.

steelbtexan
02-13-2010, 11:50 AM
Really? Gerhart is nothing more than a FB with good speed? Watch some games. Watch when he gets the ball with space, hell, he is more agile than Dwyer laterally.

The OLine is a bit of a concern, but look when they played superior opponents, he still averages 5+ yards per carry. If anything, Dwyer's system is better for RB's. There are 3 legitimate threats on the field. The D has account for all of them. The QB (Nesbitt) chooses the best looking option, which is normally the one with the least defenders in the area. Look what happened when GT faced a good D. Against Iowa he averaged a staggering 3.5 yards per carry.

There isn't much difference between Gerhart and Dwyer running the ball or catching the ball. Gerhart is better at pass protection. Both are what the Texans need as a RB in terms of style.

The reason I've got Dwyer rated above Gerhart is Gerharts past knee injury history and his fumbling issues.

Without the past knee injuries Gerhart is a 2nd rd pick. I dropped him to the 3rd because of this.

Do you really want to draft a RB with an injury history to be the Texans feature RB? Ahman Green

Or a RB that has fumbling issues? Slaton

I like Gerhart but am wary of making him the Texans no.1 RB. Sign a FA RB and draft Gerhart in the 3rd rd. I've got no problems with this strategy

beerlover
02-14-2010, 12:36 AM
There isn't much difference between Gerhart and Dwyer running the ball or catching the ball. Gerhart is better at pass protection. Both are what the Texans need as a RB in terms of style.

The reason I've got Dwyer rated above Gerhart is Gerharts past knee injury history and his fumbling issues.

Without the past knee injuries Gerhart is a 2nd rd pick. I dropped him to the 3rd because of this.

Do you really want to draft a RB with an injury history to be the Texans feature RB? Ahman Green

Or a RB that has fumbling issues? Slaton

I like Gerhart but am wary of making him the Texans no.1 RB. Sign a FA RB and draft Gerhart in the 3rd rd. I've got no problems with this strategy

Gerhart will be a better NFL all around back because of his balance, his center of gravity is lower. Dwyer is a big, tall back & a much less elusive target to mark. Gerhart is short & stocky, very durable his entire Senior year & reliable hands.

steelbtexan
02-14-2010, 12:57 AM
Gerhart will be a better NFL all around back because of his balance, his center of gravity is lower. Dwyer is a big, tall back & a much less elusive target to mark. Gerhart is short & stocky, very durable his entire Senior year & reliable hands.

Gerhart in the 3rd would be the better value then it seems.

BL Do you have any concerns about Gerhart?

How would Gerhart compare to Hillis?

mussop
02-14-2010, 03:17 AM
I guess I just see things differently than you guys. I really think Dwyer is going to be a really good pro while Gerhart ehhh. We'll see.

TexansSeminole
02-14-2010, 01:16 PM
Gerhart will be a better NFL all around back because of his balance, his center of gravity is lower. Dwyer is a big, tall back & a much less elusive target to mark. Gerhart is short & stocky, very durable his entire Senior year & reliable hands.

Dwyer looks to have great balance to me. I think he is quicker than Gerhart and gets more force behind his runs. I think he is more explosive. You can see that in the stats a little bit when you talk about long runs and catches. We'll see what happens when teams can get these guys out of their element during the combine. Gerhart and Dwyer can show teams what they can do in the pass catching/blocking game.

The question for me is, do you wait until the 3rd round to get Gerhart or do you make a move on a Jonathan Dwyer or Ryan Matthews earlier. Both have similiar, maybe better power than Gerhart and have better than 4.6 speed. One of them might be available in the 2nd round by our pick but it's doubtful. We'd have to trade down in the 1st round, or trade up in the 2nd round.

Thats a pretty big assumption - Gerhart is a physical runner with good speed , shifty moves and great balance - the only question about him is his tendancy to not keep contact with the ball on three points ..... I think he may turn out to be a very good pro if he can solve that issue. I dont think he will have a long career because of the physicality of his running but I do think with the right coaching he will be a very good back. I'd take him in the thrid round without question - pending that two of the three of the following were addressed in the forst two rounds - DL , OL and secondary.

I'd take Gerhart in the 3rd round for sure, probably not in the 2nd round though. I expect him to run a 4.6 and that is pretty representative of his speed. He won't be a home-run hitter but may be able to wear others teams down with his physical style. Let's just hope he learns to protect the ball when he runs.

beerlover
02-14-2010, 08:51 PM
Gerhart in the 3rd would be the better value then it seems.

BL Do you have any concerns about Gerhart?

How would Gerhart compare to Hillis?

Toby seems pretty serious about Football, that is my only concern. don't give as much value to his forty as someone else like Spiller or McCluster who need that kind of speed to be elusive. His footwork in tight space is ten times that of Dwyer but in open space there is a similarity to Chuck Muncie (takes some time to reach top speed) that some team will covet.

Hillis was an underutilized FB @ Arkansas. I think he would fit perfectly in ZBS because he is a downhill runner like Gerhart with better than expected cut-back ability & you know he can block. I would have no problem trading a 5th rd. pick on him, his downside- injurys. Toby is clearly a much more productive & viable option worth a 2nd/3rd rd. grade :shades:

TexansSeminole
02-15-2010, 12:27 AM
Really? Gerhart is nothing more than a FB with good speed? Watch some games. Watch when he gets the ball with space, hell, he is more agile than Dwyer laterally.

The OLine is a bit of a concern, but look when they played superior opponents, he still averages 5+ yards per carry. If anything, Dwyer's system is better for RB's. There are 3 legitimate threats on the field. The D has account for all of them. The QB (Nesbitt) chooses the best looking option, which is normally the one with the least defenders in the area.

Well, they are two totally different offenses. Stanford was a power running theam, they ran alot of conventional running plays out of I formation and 1 back sets. The Stanford O line was really good this year. Watch some Gerhart highlights and see the offensive line dominating people. Gerhart did a good job and showed some real power. I'd be surprised if he was available by our 3rd round pick.

I was telling people during the season that it is hard to compare Dwyer with other backs because of the system. In that scheme the FB gets hit every play because every defense has to make the dive play their #1 priority. If they don't they will have the ball ran right up the middle on them, see the Florida State game in 2008 and 2009. So the FB, Dwyer, gets hit no matter if he gets the ball or not. A guy has to be tough to endure that kind of punishment on a weakly basis. Most of the runs Dwyer had the past two years were right up the middle in really tight spaces, and he showed a knack for breaking tackles and taking it all the way.

Look what happened when GT faced a good D. Against Iowa he averaged a staggering 3.5 yards per carry.

If a team has a good defense and is able to stop the dive play than the GT offense was not very good. They weren't able to throw the ball with any consistency at all, and without the dive play to hold linebackers in the middle of the field, the pitch game wasn't effective.

steelbtexan
02-15-2010, 01:28 AM
Toby seems pretty serious about Football, that is my only concern. don't give as much value to his forty as someone else like Spiller or McCluster who need that kind of speed to be elusive. His footwork in tight space is ten times that of Dwyer but in open space there is a similarity to Chuck Muncie (takes some time to reach top speed) that some team will covet.

Hillis was an underutilized FB @ Arkansas. I think he would fit perfectly in ZBS because he is a downhill runner like Gerhart with better than expected cut-back ability & you know he can block. I would have no problem trading a 5th rd. pick on him, his downside- injurys. Toby is clearly a much more productive & viable option worth a 2nd/3rd rd. grade :shades:

Thanks for the info.

Gerhart is my pick if he's there in the 3rd.

He may be comparable to Shonn Greene.

badboy
02-15-2010, 02:01 PM
There isn't much difference between Gerhart and Dwyer running the ball or catching the ball. Gerhart is better at pass protection. Both are what the Texans need as a RB in terms of style.

The reason I've got Dwyer rated above Gerhart is Gerharts past knee injury history and his fumbling issues.

Without the past knee injuries Gerhart is a 2nd rd pick. I dropped him to the 3rd because of this.

Do you really want to draft a RB with an injury history to be the Texans feature RB? Ahman Green

Or a RB that has fumbling issues? Slaton

I like Gerhart but am wary of making him the Texans no.1 RB. Sign a FA RB and draft Gerhart in the 3rd rd. I've got no problems with this strategyGerhart's attempts were not lessened by any knee injury nor were his almost 2,000 yards. I see little to worry about especially if he comes to Texans with a Slaton and maybe a Chris Henry (OK) to pair with.

Blake
03-09-2010, 03:43 PM
Updated today: If this happened today, I would litteraly crap my pants.

Houston Texans: Earl Thomas (http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010ethomas.php), FS, Texas http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Texas_logo.gif
Houston's primary goal is to beat the Colts. They came close twice this year, but ultimately failed because of missed field goals and sloppy turnovers. However, their inability to stop Peyton Manning didn't help matters. In those two contests, Manning was a combined 61-of-85, 562 yards, four touchdowns and three interceptions.

Eugene Wilson was placed on injured reserve in the middle of the season. Wilson has now missed 29 games in the last four years. The Texans can no longer count on him.

Houston Texans: Jonathan Dwyer (http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010jdwyer.php), RB, Georgia Tech http://www.walterfootball.com/college/GeorgiaTech_logo.gif
The Texans are usually up front regarding what they are looking for. Virtually everyone - from the owner down to the head coach - has stated that addressing the running back position is a huge priority for them this offseason. Look for Houston to draft a runner in the first two rounds this April.

Houston Texans: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State http://www.walterfootball.com/college/FloridaState_logo.gif
Dunta Robinson is officially an ex-Texan. Houston will need to find a cornerback relatively early in the 2010 NFL Draft.

Houston Texans: Mike Neal, DT, Purdue http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Purdue_logo.gif
The Texans are really hurting in the interior of their defensive line.

BigBull17
03-09-2010, 03:47 PM
Updated today: If this happened today, I would litteraly crap my pants.

Houston Texans: Earl Thomas (http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010ethomas.php), FS, Texas http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Texas_logo.gif
Houston's primary goal is to beat the Colts. They came close twice this year, but ultimately failed because of missed field goals and sloppy turnovers. However, their inability to stop Peyton Manning didn't help matters. In those two contests, Manning was a combined 61-of-85, 562 yards, four touchdowns and three interceptions.

Eugene Wilson was placed on injured reserve in the middle of the season. Wilson has now missed 29 games in the last four years. The Texans can no longer count on him.

Houston Texans: Jonathan Dwyer (http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010jdwyer.php), RB, Georgia Tech http://www.walterfootball.com/college/GeorgiaTech_logo.gif
The Texans are usually up front regarding what they are looking for. Virtually everyone - from the owner down to the head coach - has stated that addressing the running back position is a huge priority for them this offseason. Look for Houston to draft a runner in the first two rounds this April.

Houston Texans: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State http://www.walterfootball.com/college/FloridaState_logo.gif
Dunta Robinson is officially an ex-Texan. Houston will need to find a cornerback relatively early in the 2010 NFL Draft.

Houston Texans: Mike Neal, DT, Purdue http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Purdue_logo.gif
The Texans are really hurting in the interior of their defensive line.

That's....a decent draft...Holy cow dat would be nice. So, would Patrick Robinson wear 23? Then I could get extra milage out of my Dunta jersey.

kiwitexansfan
03-09-2010, 03:47 PM
Updated today: If this happened today, I would litteraly crap my pants.

Houston Texans: Earl Thomas (http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010ethomas.php), FS, Texas http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Texas_logo.gif
Houston's primary goal is to beat the Colts. They came close twice this year, but ultimately failed because of missed field goals and sloppy turnovers. However, their inability to stop Peyton Manning didn't help matters. In those two contests, Manning was a combined 61-of-85, 562 yards, four touchdowns and three interceptions.

Eugene Wilson was placed on injured reserve in the middle of the season. Wilson has now missed 29 games in the last four years. The Texans can no longer count on him.

Houston Texans: Jonathan Dwyer (http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010jdwyer.php), RB, Georgia Tech http://www.walterfootball.com/college/GeorgiaTech_logo.gif
The Texans are usually up front regarding what they are looking for. Virtually everyone - from the owner down to the head coach - has stated that addressing the running back position is a huge priority for them this offseason. Look for Houston to draft a runner in the first two rounds this April.

Houston Texans: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State http://www.walterfootball.com/college/FloridaState_logo.gif
Dunta Robinson is officially an ex-Texan. Houston will need to find a cornerback relatively early in the 2010 NFL Draft.

Houston Texans: Mike Neal, DT, Purdue http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Purdue_logo.gif
The Texans are really hurting in the interior of their defensive line.

Nice, I'd be pretty happy with this too.

steelbtexan
03-09-2010, 04:25 PM
Dancing in the streets if the Texans can draft those 4 guys.

Then Re-sign Pitts and add Weigmann and Hamilton from Denver in FA.

That's a team that can make the playoffs.

Blake
03-09-2010, 04:28 PM
Just looked up at the calendar. Kinda shocked that the draft is only a little over a month away. Its coming up on us.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-09-2010, 06:55 PM
Just looked up at the calendar. Kinda shocked that the draft is only a little over a month away. Its coming up on us.

How about OL Mario? Is anyone you consider OL in later rounds?

Go Texans!!!

Blake
03-10-2010, 10:26 AM
How about OL Mario? Is anyone you consider OL in later rounds?

Go Texans!!!

I feel we are good at the tackle position with our 2 studs and a valuable swing tackle. But you might make the case that a Zane Beadles who could play guard or tackle in the 4th. I am thinking that Eric Olsen would be a good later round pick to eventually take over at center.


Marshall Newhouse out of TCU is an interesting player who was brought to my attention, taken later in the draft. Mike Johnson of Alabama will probably go in the top 3 rounds.

infantrycak
03-10-2010, 10:43 AM
I'm going to be a little pissed if the Texans take Dwyer. Don't think he fits what we do at all and from what I have seen of him I'll be surprised if he becomes a starting RB anywhere that doesn't have a fantastic power blocking OL. What other RBs did you have on your board at that point?

JB
03-10-2010, 11:36 AM
I'm going to be a little pissed if the Texans take Dwyer. Don't think he fits what we do at all and from what I have seen of him I'll be surprised if he becomes a starting RB anywhere that doesn't have a fantastic power blocking OL. What other RBs did you have on your board at that point?

I think he had both Gerhart and Tate in the 4th. I do not think Dwyer is a fit here either.

Blake
03-10-2010, 12:01 PM
I'm going to be a little pissed if the Texans take Dwyer. Don't think he fits what we do at all and from what I have seen of him I'll be surprised if he becomes a starting RB anywhere that doesn't have a fantastic power blocking OL. What other RBs did you have on your board at that point?

Only RB's OFF the board at this point were Best, Spiller, and Matthews.

Dixon is available to us in the 3rd. But Our 3rd round pick is Patrick Robinson. So you would have to take one of those guys in the 2nd. Or rather trade back into the 3rd and take:

1 Earl Thomas
2 Vlad Ducasse or Daryl Washington
3 Patrick Robinson
3 Anthony Dixon

infantrycak
03-10-2010, 01:43 PM
Only RB's OFF the board at this point were Best, Spiller, and Matthews.

Dixon is available to us in the 3rd. But Our 3rd round pick is Patrick Robinson. So you would have to take one of those guys in the 2nd. Or rather trade back into the 3rd and take:

1 Earl Thomas
2 Vlad Ducasse or Daryl Washington
3 Patrick Robinson
3 Anthony Dixon

I think he had both Gerhart and Tate ion the 4th. I do not think Dwyer is a fit here either.

I'm by no means kicking your effort here, I just wouldn't even have Dwyer on my board. I'd find something else of value in the 2nd, maybe a CB (I didn't see where you posted your entire board), and then take Tate or Dixon in the 3rd.

steelbtexan
03-10-2010, 01:48 PM
Only RB's OFF the board at this point were Best, Spiller, and Matthews.

Dixon is available to us in the 3rd. But Our 3rd round pick is Patrick Robinson. So you would have to take one of those guys in the 2nd. Or rather trade back into the 3rd and take:

1 Earl Thomas
2 Vlad Ducasse or Daryl Washington
3 Patrick Robinson
3 Anthony Dixon

trading a 2011 2nd to get a 2010 3rd would be the way to go. Because this draft is so deep. A 3rd this year is = to a low 1st in 2011. IMHO

I-Cak Dwyer isn't as bad as you make him out to be. But drafting Hardesty,Tate or Gerhart in the 3rd would be the way to go. IMHO One of those guys should fall to the Texans pick in the 3rd rd.

steelbtexan
03-10-2010, 01:53 PM
I feel we are good at the tackle position with our 2 studs and a valuable swing tackle. But you might make the case that a Zane Beadles who could play guard or tackle in the 4th. I am thinking that Eric Olsen would be a good later round pick to eventually take over at center.


Marshall Newhouse out of TCU is an interesting player who was brought to my attention, taken later in the draft. Mike Johnson of Alabama will probably go in the top 3 rounds.

I know this wasn't diected at me but late rd OL I like are

1. Shawm Lauvao G ARZ St.
2. JaMarcus Webb Tx A&M Kingsville
3. Tony Washington Abeline Christian

infantrycak
03-10-2010, 02:39 PM
I-Cak Dwyer isn't as bad as you make him out to be. But drafting Hardesty,Tate or Gerhart in the 3rd would be the way to go. IMHO One of those guys should fall to the Texans pick in the 3rd rd.

Well first off I am not inclined to big backs to begin with. I am particularly not inclined to tub of goo, slow footed very long striding, not very strong big backs. Add in not having played in a pro-style offense plus coming to our one cut system and I don't particularly like him for any team that high and certainly not us.

bah007
03-10-2010, 02:43 PM
I think Dwyer is gonna be alright but I certainly agree with Infantrycak that he is not a fit for our offense.

beerlover
03-10-2010, 02:45 PM
I think Dwyer is gonna be alright but I certainly agree with Infantrycak that he is not a fit for our offense.

Marion Barber IV

steelbtexan
03-10-2010, 02:46 PM
I think Dwyer is gonna be alright but I certainly agree with Infantrycak that he is not a fit for our offense.

Definitely not as good a fit as Hardesty,Tate or Mathews.

Blake
03-10-2010, 03:02 PM
Definitely not as good a fit as Hardesty,Tate or Mathews.

I think Hardesty in round 3 would be a great selection. I know Tate has some fans around here, but I wouldnt consider him until the 4th. JMHO.

1 Earl Thomas
2 Patrick Robinson
3 Montario Hardesty
4 Marshall Newhouse
5 Eric Olsen

steelbtexan
03-11-2010, 12:30 AM
I think Hardesty in round 3 would be a great selection. I know Tate has some fans around here, but I wouldnt consider him until the 4th. JMHO.

1 Earl Thomas
2 Patrick Robinson
3 Montario Hardesty
4 Marshall Newhouse
5 Eric Olsen

This mock is possible and would be great if the Texans added these guys to the roster.

The secondary and running game would be much improve. All that is missing is the space eater DT. But you cant fill all of the holes in one draft.

I would love to get this mock and trade a 2011 3rd for Shaun Rodgers.

Then all of the holes would be filled.