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houstonlibraria
01-23-2010, 09:43 AM
2010 Mock Draft (http://librarianchat.com/?p=412)

The Pencil Neck
01-23-2010, 10:07 AM
I don't know. The CB position doesn't worry me as much as the FS, NT, C/G, or RB positions.

If we're going to draft this guy (assuming we keep Dunta), then that means we're probably moving Glover Quinn over to FS. Glover had a good year as a CB and I don't see him moving over to a position where he'd be undersized although several people see him making that move.

Personally, I think our coaches are going to be fine with our defensive backs. I don't think they share our concern about the FS with Wilson and Barber stepping up before his injury. I think they like Robinson, Quinn, McCain, and Reeves at corner.

bckey
01-24-2010, 08:22 AM
I don't know. The CB position doesn't worry me as much as the FS, NT, C/G, or RB positions.

If we're going to draft this guy (assuming we keep Dunta), then that means we're probably moving Glover Quinn over to FS. Glover had a good year as a CB and I don't see him moving over to a position where he'd be undersized although several people see him making that move.

Personally, I think our coaches are going to be fine with our defensive backs. I don't think they share our concern about the FS with Wilson and Barber stepping up before his injury. I think they like Robinson, Quinn, McCain, and Reeves at corner.

Maybe they are fine with the cbs but free safety I don't know. Wilson can't stay healthy so he really needs to be a backup. He is pretty good though. The Texans have neglected the free safety spot their entire existence. I think our highest pick used on a safety was Glen Earl. And lets not forget CC Brown. Man that guy stunk it up for the Giants this year.

I just think that if the Texans could finally get a top tier free safety this year it would change the entire defense and allow Bush to be a little more creative. You shore up 2 positions when you have a really good free safety because cbs can play more agressive knowing they have help over the top. Not complaining about Bush though because he did an amazing job with what he had. We have 8 picks this year. I would let Bush have 4 of them. The other 4 I would spend on 3 ol and 1 rb.

IBleedTexans
01-24-2010, 11:20 AM
Maybe they are fine with the cbs but free safety I don't know. Wilson can't stay healthy so he really needs to be a backup. He is pretty good though. The Texans have neglected the free safety spot their entire existence. I think our highest pick used on a safety was Glen Earl. And lets not forget CC Brown. Man that guy stunk it up for the Giants this year.

I just think that if the Texans could finally get a top tier free safety this year it would change the entire defense and allow Bush to be a little more creative. You shore up 2 positions when you have a really good free safety because cbs can play more agressive knowing they have help over the top. Not complaining about Bush though because he did an amazing job with what he had. We have 8 picks this year. I would let Bush have 4 of them. The other 4 I would spend on 3 ol and 1 rb.

I do agree with what ur saying only problem is earl wont be the by the time we pick.I personally hope we somehow get an extra pick in the first or second round.Kubiak might have to make a splash to keep his job the year after next.

TheRealJoker
01-24-2010, 07:09 PM
If Earl is there it will be hard to pass him up. He can have a huge effect on our defense because we'd finally have a true centerfielder at FS. His presence would allow Pollard to do what he does best which is knock the piss out of people and the CBs could finally stop giving those 5-10 yard cushions because they'll know ET will be over the top covering the deep ball.

I'd prefer to get a guy like Iupati to give us a bluechip OL that can give us some push in the trenches but if ET is there he just might be BPA.

I think we desperately need a NT who can push the pocket but I am weary of taking one in the 1st round because of how difficult it is to project their success.

Bottomline is we need to draft an impact player in the 1st round at a position of need. We managed to do that last year with Cushing and our LB unit hit the next level. We need to do that again and push this team over the top to make them a playoff team.

TexansSeminole
01-25-2010, 01:56 AM
I don't know. The CB position doesn't worry me as much as the FS, NT, C/G, or RB positions.

If we're going to draft this guy (assuming we keep Dunta), then that means we're probably moving Glover Quinn over to FS. Glover had a good year as a CB and I don't see him moving over to a position where he'd be undersized although several people see him making that move.

Personally, I think our coaches are going to be fine with our defensive backs. I don't think they share our concern about the FS with Wilson and Barber stepping up before his injury. I think they like Robinson, Quinn, McCain, and Reeves at corner.

I don't agree that Earl Thomas is an NFL CB, he looks like a FS to me all the way.

Not related to the OP, but to your post Pencil Neck. In this league you need 3 or 4 corners who can really play to stop the top offenses. Having a 1st or 2nd rounder plus Reeves, Quin, and McCain would be a good young crew of CBs. I don't think it's overkill at all to think we need that many guys who can cover. Teams like the Saints and the Colts (superbowl bound teams) force you to prove that you can cover 4 deep. Look what happened to the Jets yesterday. The Colts basically said, "ok Revis can cover, but what can your other corners do?", and they picked on those guys ALL game. They had Collie and Garcon killing Sheppard and Lowery.

I look at our corners now and I am uneasy. Even with Dunta. We've got Dunta, Quin, Reeves, McCain, and Molden. Bennett is done with this team IMO, he may stay on the roster but I don't think Frank Bush trusts him. I think we need to address replacing Dunta with a draft pick between the 1st and 3rd round. If we started a more mature Quin, Reeves and had a capable rookie playing the nickel I would feel better than what we had this past year.

Having alot of guys who can cover in your secondary opens up your defense to a ton of packages/blitzes/coverages that you simply can't run without.

bah007
01-25-2010, 08:37 AM
In today's game there is no such thing as having "too many" good DBs.

badboy
01-25-2010, 04:19 PM
It was interesting that NFLDRAFTSCOUT.COM recently decided Thomas would play Cb rather than FS in the NFL. If he is 4.45 fast, he has the speed, but I'm not sure he is a full time corner. That is ok because he is a tremendous free safety that covers the field & would allow a DR or Quin some leeway by backing them up. If on the board he is the guy we should go for as one of those players that maked the whole D improve.

bah007
01-25-2010, 04:22 PM
It was interesting that NFLDRAFTSCOUT.COM recently decided Thomas would play Cb rather than FS in the NFL. If he is 4.45 fast, he has the speed, but I'm not sure he is a full time corner. That is ok because he is a tremendous free safety that covers the field & would allow a DR or Quin some leeway by backing them up. If on the board he is the guy we should go for as one of those players that maked the whole D improve.

I've been saying this for months now. Thomas could play CB in the NFL but I would prefer to use him as a FS/nickel type guy.

He has more experience in man than zone coverage in Texas' defensive system anyway.

He is a FS with better coverage skills than most of the CBs in this class.

beerlover
01-25-2010, 08:47 PM
Thomas would be great, but if is already the #2 safety plus a top 3 CB wouldn't that help improve his stock not hurt it? Just saying its a higher value which means more money, hence higher draft slot. sometimes I don't know if its just me or these guys who fail to fairly value prospects :firehair:

ObsiWan
01-25-2010, 08:59 PM
2010 Mock Draft (http://librarianchat.com/?p=412)

If the draft actually unfolds as you have it, and Spiller is still on the board when we pick, why wouldn't we snatch him?

I've heard all the good things about Thomas but one thing worries me. His age. He's coming out as a soph... Amobi Okoye has me leary of taking young guys. Especially at a position that requires so much thinking like FS does. If we already had a quality defense where he could come in and learn with other guys around him to hide his rookie mistakes, then maybe.... but we don't.

...just sayin', those things considered, I'd take Spiller over Thomas.

TexCanada
01-25-2010, 09:19 PM
If the draft actually unfolds as you have it, and Spiller is still on the board when we pick, why wouldn't we snatch him?

I've heard all the good things about Thomas but one thing worries me. His age. He's coming out as a soph... Amobi Okoye has me leary of taking young guys. Especially at a position that requires so much thinking like FS does. If we already had a quality defense where he could come in and learn with other guys around him to hide his rookie mistakes, then maybe.... but we don't.

...just sayin', those things considered, I'd take Spiller over Thomas.

We still do have Eugene Wilson though, so its not like Thomas would be the only guy back there from day one.

theanswer000
01-25-2010, 09:24 PM
We still do have Eugene Wilson though, so its not like Thomas would be the only guy back there from day one.

I think Kubes should draft a guy that is going to make a immediate impact on the team. C.J. Spiller would be that guy. :fans:

Ole Miss Texan
01-26-2010, 09:10 AM
I've been saying this for months now. Thomas could play CB in the NFL but I would prefer to use him as a FS/nickel type guy.

He has more experience in man than zone coverage in Texas' defensive system anyway.

He is a FS with better coverage skills than most of the CBs in this class.

Thomas would be great, but if is already the #2 safety plus a top 3 CB wouldn't that help improve his stock not hurt it? Just saying its a higher value which means more money, hence higher draft slot. sometimes I don't know if its just me or these guys who fail to fairly value prospects :firehair:
I havn't watched him enough to comment on the play but tend to agree with both of you. A safety that is able to come up on the line of scrimmage and cover a WR INCREASES his value. I would love our S duo of Thomas and Pollard. Having a safety that can come up and play man on a wr does wonders for your defense from a personnel standpoint and mixing up coverages.

If I've heard all the good things about Thomas but one thing worries me. His age. He's coming out as a soph... Amobi Okoye has me leary of taking young guys. Especially at a position that requires so much thinking like FS does. If we already had a quality defense where he could come in and learn with other guys around him to hide his rookie mistakes, then maybe.... but we don't.
Thomas is a redshirt sophomore, so he is 3 years removed from high school. Amobi was 19 going into the draft, Thomas is 20 (will turn 21 in may). He's got 3 years of being on the Texas football team. I'll agree with you if you mean another year of starting at FS would do him good, but it's not enough for me to pass on him.

badboy
01-26-2010, 03:20 PM
Thomas would be great, but if is already the #2 safety plus a top 3 CB wouldn't that help improve his stock not hurt it? Just saying its a higher value which means more money, hence higher draft slot. sometimes I don't know if its just me or these guys who fail to fairly value prospects :firehair:I think if you drank more beer, you would not be so dehydrated and probably would not catch on fire. Just saying...

beerlover
01-26-2010, 06:03 PM
I think if you drank more beer, you would not be so dehydrated and probably would not catch on fire. Just saying...

tend to have a butterfly affect :butterfly:

threetoedpete
01-28-2010, 01:27 AM
So....are we all agreed that the lack of production from Taylor Mays scares everyone to death ? I can't comment on Thomas because I like all Horns.....

the other thing I think is pretty certain....there aren't any corners on the board who'll beat out what they already got ? I don't see any Mckelvin's or DRC's or Darrelle Revis's ? If you see one out there do tell.

threetoedpete
01-28-2010, 01:36 AM
2010 Mock Draft (http://librarianchat.com/?p=412)

I'm giving you props just because you didn't have Dez Bryant going to Denver....which is just about the highest form of stupidity I have ever seen in the mockers, ever !!!! Denver is going to trade one mal-content head ache WR for another ? And Dez Brayant's agent is ? Jacoby Jones is looking better to me every year.

bah007
01-28-2010, 01:48 AM
So....are we all agreed that the lack of production from Taylor Mays scares everyone to death ? I can't comment on Thomas because I like all Horns.....

the other thing I think is pretty certain....there aren't any corners on the board who'll beat out what they already got ? I don't see any Mckelvin's or DRC's or Darrelle Revis's ? If you see one out there do tell.

I think Haden has true shutdown potential. But we won't even get a sniff of him at #20.

TexansSeminole
01-28-2010, 03:09 AM
I think Haden has true shutdown potential. But we won't even get a sniff of him at #20.

No way. Top 10 pick for sure. He does look like a shutdown cover corner.

If Patrick Robinson has a good senior bowl showing and tests well I think he could go in the top 20. Perrish Cox could do the same thing.

WolverineFan
01-28-2010, 12:54 PM
No way. Top 10 pick for sure. He does look like a shutdown cover corner.

If Patrick Robinson has a good senior bowl showing and tests well I think he could go in the top 20. Perrish Cox could do the same thing.

Patrick Robinson has not been very impressive. Right now my CB rankings are . . .

1. Joe Haden, Florida (won't be there at #20)
2. Donovan Warren, Michigan (might be there)
3. Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest (will be there, can trade back though to late 1st)
4. Kyle Wilson, Boise State (same as Ghee)
5. Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State (not a 1st rd pick, but could trade back to early 2nd)

Insideop
01-29-2010, 10:51 AM
If Thomas is there at 19/20 I think the Texans will take him. The problem is, I think he will be gone by then. At this point in time, it's looking more likely they will have to pick from Dan Williams, Iupati, or Mays (I hope not). As much as I would like to get Iupati, I think the best choice of these 3 would be Williams. Then in the 2nd, they could get Mike Johnson, G, Alabama or Nate Allen, FS, S. Fla. The Combine should give us a better idea of who will be there at 19/20, maybe. :shades:

Also, why do a lot of people think Thomas is too small to play FS? He's listed as 5'10" and 195 lbs. Eugene Wilson is listed as 5'10" and 200 lbs. I guess what I'm saying is, the size may not be ideal, but if he has the head, heart, and talent to play FS, then play him at FS!

bah007
01-29-2010, 11:59 AM
If Thomas is there at 19/20 I think the Texans will take him. The problem is, I think he will be gone by then. At this point in time, it's looking more likely they will have to pick from Dan Williams, Iupati, or Mays (I hope not). As much as I would like to get Iupati, I think the best choice of these 3 would be Williams. Then in the 2nd, they could get Mike Johnson, G, Alabama or Nate Allen, FS, S. Fla. The Combine should give us a better idea of who will be there at 19/20, maybe. :shades:

Also, why do a lot of people think Thomas is too small to play FS? He's listed as 5'10" and 195 lbs. Eugene Wilson is listed as 5'10" and 200 lbs. I guess what I'm saying is, the size may not be ideal, but if he has the head, heart, and talent to play FS, then play him at FS!

He weighs 195 because he is pretty muscled up. He does have a very thin frame though. I think he will be just fine but at first look, he does look like a CB (based on body type).

beerlover
01-29-2010, 12:18 PM
He weighs 195 because he is pretty muscled up. He does have a very thin frame though. I think he will be just fine but at first look, he does look like a CB (based on body type).

Earl reminds me of Louis Delmas, taken #33 last year by Detroit. a centerfielder, with coverage skill who can hit. Unlike Louis Delmas (little known Western Michigan) Earl Thomas comes from an elite national power with butt loads of national exposure http://susansternberg.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/ut-logo.jpg

badboy
01-29-2010, 01:59 PM
Earl reminds me of Louis Delmas, taken #33 last year by Detroit. a centerfielder, with coverage skill who can hit. Unlike Louis Delmas (little known Western Michigan) Earl Thomas comes from an elite national power with butt loads of national exposure http://susansternberg.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/ut-logo.jpgWow! Great comparison and a blast from the past. I was on then off Delmas as I allowed others to talk me out of him.

Insideop
01-29-2010, 03:07 PM
Earl reminds me of Louis Delmas, taken #33 last year by Detroit. a centerfielder, with coverage skill who can hit. Unlike Louis Delmas (little known Western Michigan) Earl Thomas comes from an elite national power with butt loads of national exposure http://susansternberg.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/ut-logo.jpg

Yes, that's a good comparison. Here's Delmas' Rookie stats from this past season along with Cush and Laurinaitis who were ranked ahead of him for Rookies.

Rk Player Team Pos Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int TDs Yds Lng FF Rec TD
1 Brian Cushing HOU OLB 133 86 47 4.0 1 14 4 0 26 20 2 -- --
2 James Laurinaitis STL MLB 120 107 13 2.0 -- 7 2 0 28 21 1 1 0
3 Louis Delmas DET FS 94 65 29 1.0 1 10 2 1 130 101T 0 1 1

Blake
01-29-2010, 03:25 PM
It wont happen IMO, but Indy getting Iupati is down right my nightmare.

mussop
01-30-2010, 02:47 AM
So....are we all agreed that the lack of production from Taylor Mays scares everyone to death ? I can't comment on Thomas because I like all Horns.....

the other thing I think is pretty certain....there aren't any corners on the board who'll beat out what they already got ? I don't see any Mckelvin's or DRC's or Darrelle Revis's ? If you see one out there do tell.

Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest or Kyle Wilson, Boise State could work their way into the first round if they keep impressing at the Senior Bowl and the combine.

Ole Miss Texan
01-30-2010, 10:25 AM
Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest or Kyle Wilson, Boise State could work their way into the first round if they keep impressing at the Senior Bowl and the combine.
As does Perrish Cox. At a 'relatively' weak CB class at the top, they've really made themselves money this week. After the Florida CB goes top 10, these next guys could push to go in the 1st.

steelbtexan
01-30-2010, 01:12 PM
One of them will fall to the 2nd rd.

Most likely Ghee or Cox. IMO