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thunderkyss
01-23-2010, 07:35 AM
In your opinion, what do you think of Scout.com's 2009 RB rankings (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=11&yr=2009)?


Knowshon Moreno....... 5 Star
Beanie Wells............... 5 Star
Donald Brown............. 5 Star
LeSean McCoy............. 5 Star
Rashad Jennings......... 4 Star

etc.. etc..

Is there anyone on the list they over-rated?

Anyone they under-rated?

Anyone they left off the list?

JB
01-23-2010, 08:24 AM
In your opinion, what do you think of Scout.com's 2009 RB rankings (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=11&yr=2009)?


Knowshon Moreno....... 5 Star
Beanie Wells............... 5 Star
Donald Brown............. 5 Star
LeSean McCoy............. 5 Star
Rashad Jennings......... 4 Star

etc.. etc..

Is there anyone on the list they over-rated?

Anyone they under-rated?

Anyone they left off the list?

Shonn Greene?

thunderkyss
01-23-2010, 08:37 AM
In your opinion, what do you think of Scout.com's 2009 RB rankings (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=11&yr=2009)?


Knowshon Moreno....... 5 Star
Beanie Wells............... 5 Star
Donald Brown............. 5 Star
LeSean McCoy............. 5 Star
Rashad Jennings......... 4 Star

etc.. etc..

Is there anyone on the list they over-rated?

Anyone they under-rated?

Anyone they left off the list?

Shonn Greene?

Follow the link, Shonn Greene is on that list. I want your opinion of Scout.com's list, not mine. I don't have a list.

Do you think Scout.com over-rated or under-rated any of the RBs from the 2009 draft?

JB
01-23-2010, 08:51 AM
Sorry, I missed the link. I think that they have Jennings way overrated as well as Ringer, Davis, A Brown and Goodson. I think that the others are pretty good. I do not really know as I have not had the opportunity to watch much of them.

SteveSlaton20
01-23-2010, 10:22 AM
shonn greene and beanie wells are the best rbs of 09 imo.

Goatcheese
01-23-2010, 03:21 PM
I don't think we've seen enough of them to make a firm judgment yet, but I'll throw in my two cents on what we've seen so far.

Wells looked good behind a terrible line
Greene looked good behind a great line
Ringer only got 8 touches but picked up 6 YPC
Moreno has been what I said he was. How does a 1st rounder average 3.8 YPC in Denver?
Rashad Jennings was better than I thought he'd be. 39 touches isn't enough to draw a conclusion though.
Coffee was pretty terrible. I never quite understood the flaming man crush people had for him.
Donald Brown didn't really get a fair shake behind Indie's line.
L.McCoy was adequate, but certainly not the best in the draft as some people around here held him up to be.
James Davis was worse than his low billing would have lead you to believe.

thunderkyss
01-23-2010, 06:23 PM
I don't think we've seen enough of them to make a firm judgment yet, but I'll throw in my two cents on what we've seen so far.


Thanks for your reply.

I agree, it's too early to tell if these guys were worthy of their draft spots. It will be years before we can determine that.

Right now, I'm asking if Scout.com know what they're talking about.

I don't know these players from Adam. Just trying to analyze my sources.

mussop
01-24-2010, 10:48 AM
Thanks for your reply.

I agree, it's too early to tell if these guys were worthy of their draft spots. It will be years before we can determine that.

Right now, I'm asking if Scout.com know what they're talking about.

I don't know these players from Adam. Just trying to analyze my sources.

I think there rankings were pretty much on par going into last years draft but there rating system sucks. They need to put a little more effort into that end.


2010 Scout.com NFL Draft Rankings Year:
Prospects by: Overall Rank | POSITION | College | Home State | Name
Position:RB


Rank Rating Name Yr Ht/Wt/40 College Home
RB 1 C.J. Spiller SR 5-11/195/- Clemson Lake Butler, FL
RB 2 Jonathan Dwyer JR 6-0/235/- Georgia Tech Marietta, GA
RB 3 Jahvid Best JR 5-10/185/- California Richmond, CA
RB 4 Ryan Mathews JR 5-11.5/220/- Fresno State Bakersfield, CA
RB 5 Anthony Dixon SR 6-1/235/- Mississippi State Terry, MS
RB 6 Toby Gerhart JR 6-1/235/- Stanford Norco, CA
RB 7 Joe McKnight JR 6-0/180/- USC River Ridge, LA
RB 8 Joique Bell SR 5-11/212/- Wayne State (Michigan) Benton Harbor, MI
RB 9 Ben Tate SR 5-11/217/- Auburn Snow Hill, MD
RB 10 Charles Scott SR 6-0/234/- LSU Jonesboro, LA
RB 11 Montario Hardesty SR 6-0/215/- Tennessee New Bern, NC
RB 12 James Starks SR 6-2/206/- Buffalo Niagara Falls, NY
RB 13 Chris Brown SR 5-10/190/- Oklahoma Alexandria, LA
RB 14 Andre Anderson SR 6-0/216/- Tulane Stone Mountain, GA
RB 15 Keith Toston SR 6-1/210/- Oklahoma State Angleton, TX
RB 16 Stafon Johnson SR 6-1/210/- USC Los Angeles, CA
RB 17 Joseph Turner SR 6-1/225/- TCU Austin, TX
RB 18 LeGarrette Blount SR 6-2/240/- Oregon Perry, FL
RB 19 LaMarcus Coker SR 5-10/205/- Hampton Antioch, TN
RB 20 Darius Marshall JR 5-10/189/- Marshall Milledgeville, GA
RB 21 Andre Dixon SR 6-1/202/- Connecticut New Brunswick, NJ
RB 22 Roy Upchurch SR 6-0/191/- Alabama Tallahassee, FL
RB 23 Javarris James SR 6-0/200/- Miami (FL) Immokalee, FL

These rankings are pretty close to what I have also. The top 6 are dead on. I have Hardesty and Blount rated alot higher though.

thunderkyss
01-24-2010, 11:35 AM
I have Hardesty and Blount rated alot higher though.

Speaking of Blount.... how would you feel if Smithiak passed on the top 6, addressing other needs early in the draft, then take Blount later in the draft?

Not saying that it is likely we'll go after a "character" guy.. but what if?

mussop
01-24-2010, 01:27 PM
Speaking of Blount.... how would you feel if Smithiak passed on the top 6, addressing other needs early in the draft, then take Blount later in the draft?

Not saying that it is likely we'll go after a "character" guy.. but what if?

Actually I could live with that. Blounts stock obviously took a hit :) this year with the pucnching incident. He made a mistake for sure but he is just a kid and seems to have learned from the mistake. If he truly has then some team is going to get good value from him in the later rounds. I would love for it to be us.

How about something like this

1. Mike Iupati, G, Idah
10 year starter and someone to run behind in short yardage situations.

2. Chad Jones S 6'3" 218 LSU
A Pollard clone with better cover skills. Now we have 2 safeties that will knock the piss out you. Yeh throw it over the middle Peyton, please!

3. Maurkice Pouncey* C 6'5" 312 Florida
Could probably start right away and be an upgrade at LG and eventually take over for Myers in the middle.

4. Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State
Solid return man and cover corner who likes to hit. Isnt big enough to knock the piss out of you but hits hard enough to knock a drop or two out.

5. LeGarrette Blount SR 6-2/240/- Oregon
If maturity level checks out this is a way better value here than Gerhart in the second or third. "Think of him like a mini Brandon Jacobs with more speed"-Mike Mayock

5. Boo Robinson DT 6'2" 326 Wake Forest
Another DT for the rotation.


6. Javarris James Running Back University of Miami
Looked like a solid ZB RB in the Shrine practices.


Watch these videos with an open mind of Blount (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPjKLI9u8i4) and Gerhart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw) and tell me what the big difference is talent wise. I dont see much difference.

Side note: Who ever made the Toby highlight needs to be kicked in the balls for showing the same highlight over and over from every angle ever concieved. Man that irritates the sheet out of me.

steelbtexan
01-24-2010, 01:42 PM
Speaking of Blount.... how would you feel if Smithiak passed on the top 6, addressing other needs early in the draft, then take Blount later in the draft?

Not saying that it is likely we'll go after a "character" guy.. but what if?

If Smithiak waits until the later rds of the draft my 2 5th rd. picks would be
Stafon Johnson and my favorite Lamarcus Coker. Coker is also a dynamic KR/PR.

Johnson was USC's main goal line RB (he was very good at this job) until his injury.

Steals in the 5th rd. IMO

was385
01-25-2010, 09:18 AM
I really don't think we can judge them that well. As someone said, Shonn Greene is running behind a great line, while someone like Donald Brown is running behind a poor run blocking line out of the shotgun normally.

badboy
01-25-2010, 09:53 AM
I was surprised that J.Johnson was rated 3 stars like Foster as he is noted at 198- 209lbs with slow speed. I was fan of Jennings and will probably follow his pro career as one that "got away".

badboy
01-25-2010, 10:09 AM
Actually I could live with that. Blounts stock obviously took a hit :) this year with the pucnching incident. He made a mistake for sure but he is just a kid and seems to have learned from the mistake. If he truly has then some team is going to get good value from him in the later rounds. I would love for it to be us.

How about something like this

1. Mike Iupati, G, Idah
10 year starter and someone to run behind in short yardage situations.

2. Chad Jones S 6'3" 218 LSU
A Pollard clone with better cover skills. Now we have 2 safeties that will knock the piss out you. Yeh throw it over the middle Peyton, please!

3. Maurkice Pouncey* C 6'5" 312 Florida
Could probably start right away and be an upgrade at LG and eventually take over for Myers in the middle.

4. Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State
Solid return man and cover corner who likes to hit. Isnt big enough to knock the piss out of you but hits hard enough to knock a drop or two out.

5. LeGarrette Blount SR 6-2/240/- Oregon
If maturity level checks out this is a way better value here than Gerhart in the second or third. "Think of him like a mini Brandon Jacobs with more speed"-Mike Mayock

5. Boo Robinson DT 6'2" 326 Wake Forest
Another DT for the rotation.


6. Javarris James Running Back University of Miami
Looked like a solid ZB RB in the Shrine practices.


Watch these videos with an open mind of Blount (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPjKLI9u8i4) and Gerhart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw) and tell me what the big difference is talent wise. I dont see much difference.

Side note: Who ever made the Toby highlight needs to be kicked in the balls for showing the same highlight over and over from every angle ever concieved. Man that irritates the sheet out of me. I would jump all over this mock and it addresses need positions with players that should be there. I question only Blount, but in 5th I would accept the selection. Most remember him for the punch but he was suspended season before also with coach conflicts. I can over look this as the coach left and new guy re-instated Blount but curiously he did not participate in all the voluntary practices. Seems like he would want to show new coach he was trying to change. I feel the need for a power back is so huge I'd rather not gamble only on this player, unless you had more of a guarantee that Foster is the real deal. WHat do you have on the other back you chose?

link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeGarrette_Blount

steelbtexan
01-25-2010, 10:24 AM
Another reason you want to take Blount in the 5th rd is $.

You dont want to give Blount high draft pick $ and watch him go crazy with it. I.E. making it rain.

bah007
01-25-2010, 10:33 AM
Another reason you want to take Blount in the 5th rd is $.

You dont want to give Blount high draft pick $ and watch him go crazy with it. I.E. making it rain.

I doubt Blount gets drafted at all. He will get picked up as a UDFA somewhere though.

He can't catch out of the backfield, he can't pass protect, he doesn't move well laterally, and he lacks top end speed. Plus he has had a multitude of attitude problems not even counting the Boise St incident.

He is basically a goal line back at the next level.

But he is a "big back" so of course this board will be all over his balls.

mussop
01-25-2010, 12:20 PM
I doubt Blount gets drafted at all. He will get picked up as a UDFA somewhere though.

He can't catch out of the backfield, he can't pass protect, he doesn't move well laterally, and he lacks top end speed. Plus he has had a multitude of attitude problems not even counting the Boise St incident.

He is basically a goal line back at the next level.

But he is a "big back" so of course this board will be all over his balls.

Let me guess, Todd McShay? Watch the guy play and you will see your assesment of him is innacurate. You are right that he might not get drafted but it wont be because of lack of talent.

bah007
01-25-2010, 02:26 PM
Let me guess, Todd McShay? Watch the guy play and you will see your assesment of him is innacurate. You are right that he might not get drafted but it wont be because of lack of talent.

I don't listen to McShay. Look into my post history and you will see my stance on him is well documented. He is garbage.

I watch the players on my own time. I do my own research. I look at a couple of sites to confirm or maybe change my stance on a player. But everything I say about a guy is things I have seen with my own eyes. I don't just repeat things I have heard elsewhere.

I hope I don't come off as arrogant but very few people on this board are right more than I am when it comes to draft time. So no offense intended, but I'm gonna trust my eyes over yours on this one.

WolverineFan
01-25-2010, 03:56 PM
I don't listen to McShay. Look into my post history and you will see my stance on him is well documented. He is garbage.

I watch the players on my own time. I do my own research. I look at a couple of sites to confirm or maybe change my stance on a player. But everything I say about a guy is things I have seen with my own eyes. I don't just repeat things I have heard elsewhere.

I hope I don't come off as arrogant but very few people on this board are right more than I am when it comes to draft time. So no offense intended, but I'm gonna trust my eyes over yours on this one.

No use bah. Blount is a big RB so many people on this board are going to want him. A lot of them will have legitimate reasons and arguments, but there is also the whole "big back" crowd that just wants him for that sole purpose. These are the same people that are convinced that we need a 360 lb NT to stop the run.

mussop
01-26-2010, 08:03 PM
I don't listen to McShay. Look into my post history and you will see my stance on him is well documented. He is garbage.

I watch the players on my own time. I do my own research. I look at a couple of sites to confirm or maybe change my stance on a player. But everything I say about a guy is things I have seen with my own eyes. I don't just repeat things I have heard elsewhere.

I hope I don't come off as arrogant but very few people on this board are right more than I am when it comes to draft time. So no offense intended, but I'm gonna trust my eyes over yours on this one.


Well as of now it looks like you are off to a bad start.

LaGarrette Blount/RB/Oregon: Blount was a late addition to the Senior Bowl, and he displayed the skills which made him such a highly rated running back coming into the season. He ran tough between the tackles and showed a burst, which many did not know he possessed.

We'll see.

bah007
01-27-2010, 10:46 AM
Well as of now it looks like you are off to a bad start.

LaGarrette Blount/RB/Oregon: Blount was a late addition to the Senior Bowl, and he displayed the skills which made him such a highly rated running back coming into the season. He ran tough between the tackles and showed a burst, which many did not know he possessed.

We'll see.

We'll see. I've been wrong before so I'm not gonna get too upset if I am again.

I wouldn't consider it a bad start when you find one guy that you think I'm wrong on out of two hundred plus prospects.

beerlover
01-27-2010, 10:51 AM
nobody doubts the athlete Blount as a power, short yardage back its between the ears that will keep his name off teams boards :slapfight:

HOU-TEX
01-27-2010, 10:56 AM
We'll see. I've been wrong before so I'm not gonna get too upset if I am again.

I wouldn't consider it a bad start when you find one guy that you think I'm wrong on out of two hundred plus prospects.

Hey bah, speaking of large RB's. What do you think of Anthony Dixon? The dude's built like a brick shithouse and ain't skeered to hit ya like a mack truck, IMO. I just wonder if he'd translate to a ZBS RB.

El Tejano
01-27-2010, 11:33 AM
I was a big fan of Gartrell Johnson and Glenn Coffee. Glenn Coffee didn't do what I thought he would but Gartrell Johnson's name hasn't even been mentioned at all? Anyone know what happened to that guy?

infantrycak
01-27-2010, 11:42 AM
I was a big fan of Gartrell Johnson and Glenn Coffee. Glenn Coffee didn't do what I thought he would but Gartrell Johnson's name hasn't even been mentioned at all? Anyone know what happened to that guy?

San Diego drafted him and then waived him during pre-season and he was picked up by the Giants.

El Tejano
01-27-2010, 11:47 AM
Speaking of Blount.... how would you feel if Smithiak passed on the top 6, addressing other needs early in the draft, then take Blount later in the draft?

Not saying that it is likely we'll go after a "character" guy.. but what if?

I would love it. I think he is a good talent. At some point McSmithiak (uh oh new name) is going to have to look at the character of their football team and say 'we have enough character guys to set the precedent of how to act when you play football here.' and take a low risk gamble on a guy like this.

The fact that he isn't going to get a huge amount of carries should also be what helps him adjust to NFL life.

El Tejano
01-27-2010, 12:15 PM
San Diego drafted him and then waived him during pre-season and he was picked up by the Giants.

Dang!!!! I was off on that guy. I guess I saw the size and speed and thought he could play. Guess I was wrong.

BTW, given all the "bust" seasons that these running backs had, shouldn't Smithiak get some credit for not drafting these guys? They catch alot of flack for not drafting these guys because RB was an area of need and we came out with absolutely zero. Instead we signed an undrafed free agent in Arian Foster who produced as much or more than some of the other guys not named Beanie Wells, and Knowshawn Moreno.

BTW2, for my money give me Anthony Dixon, Charles Scott, and LeGarrette Blount.

thunderkyss
01-27-2010, 05:48 PM
Dang!!!! I was off on that guy. I guess I saw the size and speed and thought he could play. Guess I was wrong.

BTW, given all the "bust" seasons that these running backs had, shouldn't Smithiak get some credit for not drafting these guys? They catch alot of flack for not drafting these guys because RB was an area of need and we came out with absolutely zero. Instead we signed an undrafed free agent in Arian Foster who produced as much or more than some of the other guys not named Beanie Wells, and Knowshawn Moreno.

BTW2, for my money give me Anthony Dixon, Charles Scott, and LeGarrette Blount.

I remember right after the draft, many people were upset that we didn't draft a RB in 2009. But right after the draft, Smithiak picked up Foster & Jeremiah Johnson.

Then, the general consensus was that Smithiak did well, getting RBs undrafted of comparable quality to guys drafted in the second round.

I believe the biggest gripe concerning RBs, is that he's too conservative, when it comes to playing time. Most people feel Foster should have been given snaps earlier in the season.

At the same time, we understand how important the games became after our 5-3 start.

I'm somewhere in the middle. I can understand why Kubiak would be cautious to stick a rookie in the game with the all-important divisional gauntlet we were subject to. But once you tell yourself that Kris Brown is our best option... how hard is it to get the kid one snap or two.

steelbtexan
01-27-2010, 08:35 PM
My two favorite late rd sleepers are

Stafon Johnson- He played in pro offense at USC. They ran the ZBS. Can pass protect, Was goal line RB and split carries with McKnight. He can also catch the football.

If he hadn't drpped 275 lbs on his throat he would be a third rd pick. I've been watching him closely at the Sr.Bowl. He stood out in blocking and catching drills. The game will be the first contact he's had since his injury. I'm looking forward to seeing how he does.

LaMarcus Coker- Got in trouble for smoking pot at Tenn. Transfered to Hampton. I read an article where is coach said he had turned his life around. If the Texans ever take a chance with a plyer with a troubled past it should be this guy. If his background checks out. Coker has Chris Johnson spped and also runs with power. He also is a great kick returner. That alone would be enough to choose him.

These 2 guys would be my two 5th rd choices. or if the T.Johnson trade is a 6th rd pick I wuold take. Johnson in the 5th rd and Coker in the 6th rd.

Taking these guys would allow the Texans to fill other needs in rds 1-4

threetoedpete
01-28-2010, 12:59 AM
shonn greene and beanie wells are the best rbs of 09 imo.

There's a reason the Beaner couldn't get on the field the first part of the season. Got to be able to read and pick up the blitz and remember where you 're supposed to go on plays. Long as he doesn't have to block or think too much and just run, Beenie's a fine prospect.

This is Daja vu all over again for us isn't it....got all of these RBs on the board and we can only guess if one of them will light Kubiak's fire. You gotta figure Stafon is living life to the fullest now. Once you're almost dead facing up and blocking a 260 pound blitzing linebacker's doesn't seem so courageous any more.

I've kept up with Richie Incognito a little bit. What you know for a fact is that when you get a rep in the NFL like being a hot head...or fumbling.....everyone in the NFL will pick at it. Blount is a rare athlete. But every game you can bet money...he and his hot head will be tested. They passed on Cedric Benson last year , I find it kinda hard to believe they'd reverse course with the high character guys in the locker room. Never know though.

bah007
01-28-2010, 01:46 AM
My two favorite late rd sleepers are

Stafon Johnson- He played in pro offense at USC. They ran the ZBS. Can pass protect, Was goal line RB and split carries with McKnight. He can also catch the football.

If he hadn't drpped 275 lbs on his throat he would be a third rd pick. I've been watching him closely at the Sr.Bowl. He stood out in blocking and catching drills. The game will be the first contact he's had since his injury. I'm looking forward to seeing how he does.

LaMarcus Coker- Got in trouble for smoking pot at Tenn. Transfered to Hampton. I read an article where is coach said he had turned his life around. If the Texans ever take a chance with a plyer with a troubled past it should be this guy. If his background checks out. Coker has Chris Johnson spped and also runs with power. He also is a great kick returner. That alone would be enough to choose him.

These 2 guys would be my two 5th rd choices. or if the T.Johnson trade is a 6th rd pick I wuold take. Johnson in the 5th rd and Coker in the 6th rd.

Taking these guys would allow the Texans to fill other needs in rds 1-4

I'm a huge fan of Stafon Johnson. That guy will be a good NFL back.