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bckey
01-16-2010, 09:43 AM
Richard Justice is at it again. His latest article is titled,"Cowboys still bigger in Texas". Justice loves to get Texans fans fired up for some reason. He takes great pleasure in it. Here is an excerpt from the article.

The Cowboys didn't just win more games than the Texans this season. They had more good players and better coaches.

Would you trade Bob McNair for Jerry Jones? Yes, you would. In a heartbeat.



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6818671.html

GuerillaBlack
01-16-2010, 09:48 AM
I wouldn't trade Bob McNair for Jerry Jones, but I wish McNair would be like Jones, as far as cutting and adding players are concerned and getting things done fast.

Pollardized
01-16-2010, 10:13 AM
Would you trade Bob McNair for Jerry Jones? Yes, you would. In a heartbeat.



I would almost trade Richard Justice for a hemorrhoid and a bad case of VD...

SAMURAITEXAN
01-16-2010, 10:25 AM
By criticizing people/team or anything, you'll get more attention. It is much more difficult to get an attention by saying positive things. What do you expect? After all, he is a media guy. Unfortunately, he lacks creativity. So sad that only chronicle is available in Houston for local news.

Joe Texan
01-16-2010, 10:39 AM
I wouldn't trade Bob McNair for Jerry Jones, but I wish McNair would be like Jones, as far as cutting and adding players are concerned and getting things done fast.

There is no way I want Bob to be like Jerry Jones. He is a Way Better Owner and does not have to be always in the spotlight with the team. Bob is a patient man who has a good thing going and he know people will come and go but when he has the team on top Everyone and thier mother will be on the Wagon. You will even get the Closet Cowboy Fans Back.


Justice can Kiss My Ass adn I am going over there to tell his ass

Bubbajwp
01-16-2010, 10:39 AM
The title should have been "Justice is smoking pot again".

Stemp
01-16-2010, 10:41 AM
I wouldn't trade Jerry Jones for an enima.

GuerillaBlack
01-16-2010, 10:42 AM
There is no way I want Bob to be like Jerry Jones. He is a Way Better Owner and does not have to be always in the spotlight with the team. Bob is a patient man who has a good thing going and he know people will come and go but when he has the team on top Everyone and thier mother will be on the Wagon. You will even get the Closet Cowboy Fans Back.


Justice can Kiss My Ass adn I am going over there to tell his ass

Well, whenever that happens...

I know Jerry, Kraft, etc., would have cut Kris Brown after the MNF game and had a new kicker in here (for all the other missed FGs Kris Brown had after that game). We've only seen progress this year, as far as record goes, and still no playoffs. Kubiak would have been fired if he had been under Jones or Kraft. But, we're the boy scout, good boy team, so none of that will ever happen.

False Start
01-16-2010, 10:48 AM
The title should have been "Justice is smoking pot again".

Or..... Juck Fustice! :boogereater:

b0ng
01-16-2010, 10:51 AM
Don't even give him the page hits he writes this crap for.

I haven't read that guy in about 6 months and I damn sure am not going to start now.

False Start
01-16-2010, 10:54 AM
Don't even give him the page hits he writes this crap for.

I haven't read that guy in about 6 months and I damn sure am not going to start now.

Same here. I never read his articles/blog, I just read the quotes of the shit he spews folks post on message boards. Juck Fustice!

Joe Texan
01-16-2010, 10:58 AM
I left Dick a comment


Dick,
You are the reason the Chronicle is failing, Your Journalism Smells and your Arrogance Reeks of Cowboy Fan. Because you sit there working on a Houston Paper and Spew this garbage like it was true you single handedly are ruining the Houston Sports Seen. Do you realize that no one wants to pick up a paper and look at the putrid stuff you smear all over the pages. We Tell you and Tell you but you still puke all over the sports page and laugh in our faces. Too bad they let you in the news room when you should be shoveling everybodies poop at the Dallas Morning News. Why Don't you just Move down to your little outhouse in Dallas and leave the sports writing in Houston to those that know what they are doing.
If you were on fire I would not spit on you to put you out. Good Day Sir.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2010, 10:58 AM
I'm actually not sure what he said wrong and I hate the guy. He wasn't acting like JJ was the end all, be all, he just said that while everyone was laughing that they loaded up with talent and are being successful. All truths.

Justice may be the worst of the worst and he certainly goes out of his way to stir the pot. I just think every once in awhile he hits a nerve because he is right 1% of the time. He pissed me off about TCU and then wrote an incredible article about them and Ft. Worth that was spot on. Stunned

Joe Texan
01-16-2010, 11:02 AM
I'm actually not sure what he said wrong and I hate the guy. He wasn't acting like JJ was the end all, be all, he just said that while evryone was laughing that they loaded up with talent and are being successful. All truths.

This is Houston, Take that crap to the Dallas morning News, That is some truths that I do not want to see in My Houston Paper

beerlover
01-16-2010, 11:09 AM
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/31420-buzz_lightyear.jpg You are a sad, strange little man

Second Honeymoon
01-16-2010, 11:25 AM
Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than McNair. How can anyone argue that? It took him a while to find a QB (and some would say he is still looking for one) but the guy has presided over 3 championships and has done everything to help his team win.

His worst move was trading for Galloway. That was a horrible move, and no one should let him off the hook for that, but what else has he done that has been so bad. You could argue that he ran Jimmy Johnson out of town, but I think Jimmy was done anyway as Cowboys head coach. He wanted a new challenge with more power. He got that wish and failed at Miami.

McNair has given Carr maximum extension and wanted to draft a QB to begin with. Horrible move to go with a rookie QB #1 overall in your first draft. Just ignorant. Hired Casserley to run his football operations. He has also made little to no extra effort to improve his team to be championship caliber. Signing Antonio Smith, Weaver, and Greenwood aren't championship moves.

and for all the haters on Jerry, guess where most of his players came from? Yup, the draft. And guess who is in charge of the draft in Big D? Jerry is. So maybe he aint so bad after all. Some of you act like you know more than Jerry does about football...that is laughable. Jerry is actually one of the longest tenured GMs in all football if not the longest tenured.

I Am not saying McNair sucks, but Justice is just calling a spade a spade. McNair has had opportunities to greatly improve the team, and he has not done it. Haynesworth, Michael Turner, and Kris Jenkins have all been available at positions of need and we dont even make a run at them. We decide to roll with what we got. That sure has worked out well for us, huh?

at the end of the day, Jerry has 3 trophies, runs the most valuable sports franchise in America, and we are a losing football franchise who have some fans that act like 9-7 is some validation of McNair's plan while in the same breath criticize the Cowboys for not winning playoff games. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. expansion team or not, there is no argument that McNair is a better owner. it just doesn't hold water.

I love my Texans but the Texans aren't in the same class as the Cowboys...yet. Maybe we should focus more on our real rivals, Justice. Like the Titans. ThIs make believe fairy tale Texans-Cowboys rivalry is a total joke...its not a rivalry. It's an inferiority complex by many of the Texans fans..not a rivalry.

jaayteetx
01-16-2010, 11:30 AM
Well, whenever that happens...

I know Jerry, Kraft, etc., would have cut Kris Brown after the MNF game and had a new kicker in here (for all the other missed FGs Kris Brown had after that game). We've only seen progress this year, as far as record goes, and still no playoffs. Kubiak would have been fired if he had been under Jones or Kraft. But, we're the boy scout, good boy team, so none of that will ever happen.

I disagree, Jones has stuck with Phillips when most owners would've fired him after the butt whooping the Eagles gave them last year. So what makes you think he would've gone off an fired Kubiak when all he has done is never take a step backwards and handed the team its first winning season? Do I think Kris Brown should've been cut? In hindsight, ya probably, but hopefully that gets addressed in the offseason and the team brings in some legit competion.

infantrycak
01-16-2010, 11:48 AM
And guess who is in charge of the draft in Big D? Jerry is.

Jerry was not in charge of the draft when JJ was there nor when Parcells was there and much of the talent on the team is from the Parcells era.

Craig.
01-16-2010, 11:54 AM
Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than McNair. How can anyone argue that? It took him a while to find a QB (and some would say he is still looking for one) but the guy has presided over 3 championships and has done everything to help his team win.

His worst move was trading for Galloway. That was a horrible move, and no one should let him off the hook for that, but what else has he done that has been so bad. You could argue that he ran Jimmy Johnson out of town, but I think Jimmy was done anyway as Cowboys head coach. He wanted a new challenge with more power. He got that wish and failed at Miami.

McNair has given Carr maximum extension and wanted to draft a QB to begin with. Horrible move to go with a rookie QB #1 overall in your first draft. Just ignorant. Hired Casserley to run his football operations. He has also made little to no extra effort to improve his team to be championship caliber. Signing Antonio Smith, Weaver, and Greenwood aren't championship moves.

and for all the haters on Jerry, guess where most of his players came from? Yup, the draft. And guess who is in charge of the draft in Big D? Jerry is. So maybe he aint so bad after all. Some of you act like you know more than Jerry does about football...that is laughable. Jerry is actually one of the longest tenured GMs in all football if not the longest tenured.

I Am not saying McNair sucks, but Justice is just calling a spade a spade. McNair has had opportunities to greatly improve the team, and he has not done it. Haynesworth, Michael Turner, and Kris Jenkins have all been available at positions of need and we dont even make a run at them. We decide to roll with what we got. That sure has worked out well for us, huh?

at the end of the day, Jerry has 3 trophies, runs the most valuable sports franchise in America, and we are a losing football franchise who have some fans that act like 9-7 is some validation of McNair's plan while in the same breath criticize the Cowboys for not winning playoff games. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. expansion team or not, there is no argument that McNair is a better owner. it just doesn't hold water.

I love my Texans but the Texans aren't in the same class as the Cowboys...yet. Maybe we should focus more on our real rivals, Justice. Like the Titans. ThIs make believe fairy tale Texans-Cowboys rivalry is a total joke...its not a rivalry. It's an inferiority complex by many of the Texans fans..not a rivalry.

As a Cowboys fan since I was a wee lad and a current Texans season-ticket holder I agree with you. There has to be a mutual hatred for there to be a rivalry. Dallas fans are far more concerned about beating the Egirls, Gnats, and Foreskins than the Texans...who play Dallas for real twice a decade. And for those that don't want to read what RJ says, skip right on past it or don't buy the Chronic.

ESAD2-14
01-16-2010, 12:40 PM
and for all the haters on Jerry, guess where most of his players came from? Yup, the draft. And guess who is in charge of the draft in Big D? Jerry is. So maybe he aint so bad after all. Some of you act like you know more than Jerry does about football...that is laughable. Jerry is actually one of the longest tenured GMs in all football if not the longest tenured.

Jerry is the owner, he is that tenured as a GM because his ego is to big to fire himself.

He deserves credit for hiring a couple of coaches that reinvigorated that franchise, Jimmy and Bill. More then likely Jerry was drafting during the Switzer (1 SB win here, but can be argued that a marshmallow could have won a SB with the talent Jimmy left behind), Campo and Gailey era's of Cowboy greatness.

m5kwatts
01-16-2010, 01:07 PM
More nonsensical shock-jock drivel from Dickface

stingray
01-16-2010, 01:09 PM
I love my Texans.

Really?

GuerillaBlack
01-16-2010, 01:16 PM
I disagree, Jones has stuck with Phillips when most owners would've fired him after the butt whooping the Eagles gave them last year. So what makes you think he would've gone off an fired Kubiak when all he has done is never take a step backwards and handed the team its first winning season? Do I think Kris Brown should've been cut? In hindsight, ya probably, but hopefully that gets addressed in the offseason and the team brings in some legit competion.

Did you think this post through?

That game was in Wade's second year. The year before, the Cowboys went 13-3. They did lose to the Giants, but they went on to win the Super Bowl. The next year, at Philly, the Cowboys were trying to get a playoff spot, but failed miserably in Philly. Stuff like that happens, but that was only Wade's second year. They still ended up 9-7, our best record. I don't think I have to explain this year. Look at what they did to those Eagles.

RipTraxx
01-16-2010, 01:29 PM
Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than McNair. How can anyone argue that? It took him a while to find a QB (and some would say he is still looking for one) but the guy has presided over 3 championships and has done everything to help his team win.

His worst move was trading for Galloway. That was a horrible move, and no one should let him off the hook for that, but what else has he done that has been so bad. You could argue that he ran Jimmy Johnson out of town, but I think Jimmy was done anyway as Cowboys head coach. He wanted a new challenge with more power. He got that wish and failed at Miami.

McNair has given Carr maximum extension and wanted to draft a QB to begin with. Horrible move to go with a rookie QB #1 overall in your first draft. Just ignorant. Hired Casserley to run his football operations. He has also made little to no extra effort to improve his team to be championship caliber. Signing Antonio Smith, Weaver, and Greenwood aren't championship moves.

and for all the haters on Jerry, guess where most of his players came from? Yup, the draft. And guess who is in charge of the draft in Big D? Jerry is. So maybe he aint so bad after all. Some of you act like you know more than Jerry does about football...that is laughable. Jerry is actually one of the longest tenured GMs in all football if not the longest tenured.

I Am not saying McNair sucks, but Justice is just calling a spade a spade. McNair has had opportunities to greatly improve the team, and he has not done it. Haynesworth, Michael Turner, and Kris Jenkins have all been available at positions of need and we dont even make a run at them. We decide to roll with what we got. That sure has worked out well for us, huh?

at the end of the day, Jerry has 3 trophies, runs the most valuable sports franchise in America, and we are a losing football franchise who have some fans that act like 9-7 is some validation of McNair's plan while in the same breath criticize the Cowboys for not winning playoff games. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. expansion team or not, there is no argument that McNair is a better owner. it just doesn't hold water.

I love my Texans but the Texans aren't in the same class as the Cowboys...yet. Maybe we should focus more on our real rivals, Justice. Like the Titans. ThIs make believe fairy tale Texans-Cowboys rivalry is a total joke...its not a rivalry. It's an inferiority complex by many of the Texans fans..not a rivalry.

His worst move was trading his 3 top picks for Roy Williams. IMO

m5kwatts
01-16-2010, 01:37 PM
BTW for the purposes of this discussion, Parcells built that Cowboys team and is responsible for their core of players not Jerry Jones. If anything JJ has disgraced what Parcells built by bringing in trash like Roy Williams and TO before that.

WWJD
01-16-2010, 01:47 PM
His worst move was trading his 3 top picks for Roy Williams. IMO

He didn't use his top 3 picks to pick up Roy. Just his 2009 top pick.

The rest were mid to late picks.

Not a good trade for what Roy has done (although he's playing better now) but it wasn't 3 "top" picks.

Unless your definition of "top" pick and mine are different.

Thorn
01-16-2010, 01:51 PM
The Cowturds are a better team than the Texans. But that doesn't change my feelings toward them. I hate the Cowpatties more than our division foes. Just hate them.

For this weekend, I'm a Viking fan. And that really hurts because I'm still sick of hearing Farve's name. LOL

gary
01-16-2010, 01:53 PM
The Chron does not care about what Justice is writing and I do not care either. Why should I? I am not allowed to fire him. No one tells you to read his crap so just don't read it. He knows there are Cowboys fans in Houston and as long as his boss does not have a problem with him writing about the Cowboys he is going to do so possibly reaching out to Cowboys fans here in Houston. You don't like it then let your thoughts be known and try and get a change in line in one way, shape, or form but for me it does not matter because I am not made to read it. As far as Jerry over Bob goes it is hard to say because having someone bring in talent from another HC and then that HC leavs makes you look like a better owner than you really are. But he did hire Bill who knew who was going to stick as a Cowboy and who was not so I'd say he gets credit for hiring a HC who knows NFL talent so you may flip the coin both ways. Bob I like but I wish he would stop only trying to put a winning team team together and go out and sign a big time FA in other words make that big splash but AS is not it. I also worry he does not know or understand how to scout for a proven HC one with a real track record and I have been thinking this for quite awhile now but have not had the guts to say it up untill now some may agree and some may disagree but I don't really care. He have known what Dom is great at and that is being a DC now I know the Packers got picker apart just one week ago but overall Dom has done well with that group so if he was going to to hire him for anything it should been as a DC not an HC IMO. The samething goes for Gary you know he is made to be an OC so that is what you hire him as if anything at all. Does he not see the very bad choises Gary has made time and time again on the sidelines? I know there has been OC's and DC's who have become good HC's and I am not against that by any means but I just feel like with a brand spanking new franchise you hire an OC and a DC to preform their respected task while hiringb a vet HC to at least get the team off the ground running and then later on once your team has been around for while and has gotten their feet wet then either premote from withinor hire a brand new HC but not untill then a rookie HC or lest one without a winning record even more so one who has never been an HC before is not the way to start out with a brand new team just is not the way to go JMO.

Goatcheese
01-16-2010, 02:00 PM
Every time you read one of Dick's articles Baby Jesus kills another kitten. Please, think of the kittens.

Bubbajwp
01-16-2010, 02:05 PM
A couple years ago Steven Jackson was still on the board and Jerry Jones traded back and took Juluis Jones. Big Mistake

GuerillaBlack
01-16-2010, 02:07 PM
BTW for the purposes of this discussion, Parcells built that Cowboys team and is responsible for their core of players not Jerry Jones. If anything JJ has disgraced what Parcells built by bringing in trash like Roy Williams and TO before that.

How has JJ disgraced what Bill did? JJ still added some big pieces after he left and they won a playoff game, too. There goes the one thing we could make fun of the Cowboys about. Not winning a playoff game while the Texans have been in the league.

WWJD
01-16-2010, 02:08 PM
A couple years ago Steven Jackson was still on the board and Jerry Jones traded back and took Juluis Jones. Big Mistake

At the time that was a HUGE mistake but RB is not a problem area with the Cowboys anymore. They have 3 very capable backs.

Eh Jerry is what he is..he makes dumb mistakes and has for years. But he'll go out and spend his money and he markets the team as well as anybody could. I like the fact that he'll go out and spend money on a Leonard Davis. I thought it was great to go out and get Deion when one player was the difference between the Cowboys and the Niners.

Jerry's one of those guys that marches to a different drummer.

kozanack
01-16-2010, 02:09 PM
I quit listening to 1560 because Justice pops up here and there. You can't avoid him. I have been reading the Chronic, but avoiding Justice. As of now, I'm going to quit readin the Chronic until they ditch Justice.

SheTexan
01-16-2010, 02:21 PM
I quit listening to 1560 because Justice pops up here and there. You can't avoid him. I have been reading the Chronic, but avoiding Justice. As of now, I'm going to quit readin the Chronic until they ditch Justice.

I canceled my sub to the local ragsheet several years ago because I got tired of our so callled sports writers lovefest with the Cowboys and Titans. I've never been sorry either. If the Chron wants to support the enemy FINE, I won't support the Chron. Screw them all!!! I'm ONE HAPPY TEXAN fan and I don't need the Chron to get news about my team. Let the "girl" and "meatball" fans of this city support that piece of crap newspaper. I refuse to do it.

gary
01-16-2010, 02:26 PM
He probably should be fired or talked to at least but that is up to the Chron to do so not any of us.

GuerillaBlack
01-16-2010, 02:30 PM
A couple years ago Steven Jackson was still on the board and Jerry Jones traded back and took Juluis Jones. Big Mistake

It would have been a bigger mistake had the Cowboys not had their three back tandem now. The Texans have made just as big mistakes, too. Every team does really.

powerfuldragon
01-16-2010, 02:31 PM
the fact that one of his articles causes threads like these is why justice is kept around. if you want him gone, ignore him. completely. shun him like the amish.

gary
01-16-2010, 02:35 PM
Mistakes are going to be made it is just a matter of who makes them the least and who backs them up and corrects them.

Second Honeymoon
01-16-2010, 02:39 PM
His worst move was trading his 3 top picks for Roy Williams. IMO

not a good move either, but 2 1st Rounders for Galloway was just stupid.

Second Honeymoon
01-16-2010, 02:43 PM
Really?

yeah, really? because I am honest and objective, I don't love my team? whatever man, I am sorry I don't drink the koolaid and homer for my team when its painfully obvious that the Cowboys are far superior to the Texans now and in the past. The future could change that and I hope it does, but to be ignorant of the past just makes you another ignorant Houston sports fan.

I have been a season ticket holder since 2002 (4 seats in the endzone) and my name is etched on the glass outside of the stadium. In other words, I helped build that damn stadium our team plays in, so dont come here with your Haterade. I guess your Vikings avatar makes you a Texans fan, huh? Oh wait, its your Napoleonic complex coming out as a Houston fan towards Dallas. Your probably one of the people that think Cowboys-Texans is actually a rivalry....lol

Second Honeymoon
01-16-2010, 02:47 PM
BTW for the purposes of this discussion, Parcells built that Cowboys team and is responsible for their core of players not Jerry Jones. If anything JJ has disgraced what Parcells built by bringing in trash like Roy Williams and TO before that.

actually Parcells and Jones collaborated and One of the biggest draft busts in recent Cowboys history was a Parcells pick. Carpenter sucks and had no business being drafted but Bill loved Carpenter's father and had to draft him.

Jones is a good owner. Period. 3 trophies. Billion dollar stadium. Commitment to trying to win. Doesn't always work, but they are trying to win championships while people around here throw parades for 9-7.

gary
01-16-2010, 02:48 PM
Just stop reading his blog have his ratings lowered then he'll get caned problem solved.

Wolf
01-16-2010, 02:52 PM
I don't know.. one thing Cowboys do have going for them is their history.. if you were a player and the Cowboys and Texans both sent you the same contract offer, which one would some choose? A chance to create history with one the the historically good teams of the NFL or the an upstart franchise? Texans have to work a little harder to sell their product IMO..

and on a plus with the Texans starting out, they had to overpay some guys to come to town. With that being said, with what the Texans are doing with a very good offense (without a running game mind you) and a defense that finally has some young core players. hopefully it will get a little easier luring in some FA.

dalemurphy
01-16-2010, 03:01 PM
Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than McNair. How can anyone argue that?

Here's how I would argue that: I was a Cowboy fan since 1977... which is my first memory of football- watching the Cowboys in the playoffs at 4 years old. They were my team in 1989 when he bought them, fired Tom Landry and hired Jimmy. I was thrilled. I continued to be a huge fan and enjoyed 2 Superbowls in 1992 and 93. Then, he dismissed Jimmy in order to prove to the world his genius. He hired that moron that attempted to carry a gun on to a commercial airplane. I continued to try and root for them. The 1995 Superbowl victory versus Pitt was the emptiest victory I've ever witnessed. I knew then that I couldn't continue to root for him... After all, the players and coaches all change, only the owner remains constant... well, and the city... but, who in their right mind feels a connection to Dallas?

So, I was a man without a team until Houston announced. I'm thrilled to root for Bob McNair and his organization. The year when I became an even bigger fan was the worst W/L season we've ever have: 2005. Right after Katrina, I drove from Austin to Houston in order to volunteer for the relief effort. I was overwhelmed by the generosity of Mr. McNair and of Houston. He openned up these new, expensive, and beautiful facilities to these people. That is the kind of character, leadership that I'm interested in. Clearly some people define success differently. But, according to the way I see things, few things said are more obnoxious than: "Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than Bob McNair."

None of that discounts the fact that I want to win... I just think some things are more valuable. And, my experience rooting for that SOB is that the winning becomes pretty darn empty.

TD
01-16-2010, 03:04 PM
Just stop reading his blog have his ratings lowered then he'll get caned problem solved.

As sweet as that sounds, this ain't Singapore. ;)

gary
01-16-2010, 03:08 PM
As sweet as that sounds, this ain't Singapore. ;)Trust me if enough people stop reading he would be out.

gwallaia
01-16-2010, 03:08 PM
His parents named him Dick for a reason. They knew long before anyone else did.

WWJD
01-16-2010, 03:09 PM
I do like Chron.com but more for the news and I like their faith page so....isn't Richard KNOWN for writing stuff like this? If so I'm sure he does it with their support and knowledge and that's what the Chronicle wants.

A writer that people read his blog. Even if you hate him you're reading his blog. And that's good for business.

I bet there are tons of pages of responses to his column on their website and this thread will probably go on for pages as well.

Richard is having a good day. He got attention. People read what he wrote. And that's all he cares about I imagine. Chronicle too.

Sports fans take this stuff as serious as a heart attack.

False Start
01-16-2010, 03:14 PM
I canceled my sub to the local ragsheet several years ago because I got tired of our so callled sports writers lovefest with the Cowboys and Titans. I've never been sorry either. If the Chron wants to support the enemy FINE, I won't support the Chron. Screw them all!!! I'm ONE HAPPY TEXAN fan and I don't need the Chron to get news about my team. Let the "girl" and "meatball" fans of this city support that piece of crap newspaper. I refuse to do it.


Right on G'ma! I'm with ya. :jam: :cool:

Juck Fustice! BTW..... :cutthroat:

dalemurphy
01-16-2010, 03:15 PM
I do like Chron.com but more for the news and I like their faith page so....isn't Richard KNOWN for writing stuff like this? If so I'm sure he does it with their support and knowledge and that's what the Chronicle wants.

A writer that people read his blog. Even if you hate him you're reading his blog. And that's good for business.

I bet there are tons of pages of responses to his column on their website and this thread will probably go on for pages as well.

Richard is having a good day. He got attention. People read what he wrote. And that's all he cares about I imagine. Chronicle too.

Sports fans take this stuff as serious as a heart attack.

The reality about the chronicle is that the two best football writers at the chronicle are the two fan bloggers: Jeremy Rice and Stephanie Stradley. Solomon occasionally writes an interesting column and McClain sometimes has the inside scoop. But, the writing, as a whole, is just horrid!

WWJD
01-16-2010, 03:18 PM
The reality about the chronicle is that the two best football writers at the chronicle are the two fan bloggers: Jeremy Rice and Stephanie Stradley. Solomon occasionally writes an interesting column and McClain sometimes has the inside scoop. But, the writing, as a whole, is just horrid!

I do go sometimes and read John's "chat" but I don't get much sports news from the Chronicle...people on here get links and such on so fast here I can stay more up to date just logging on here and the variety of links is better anyway on here.

houstonspartan
01-16-2010, 03:40 PM
yeah, really? because I am honest and objective, I don't love my team? whatever man, I am sorry I don't drink the koolaid and homer for my team when its painfully obvious that the Cowboys are far superior to the Texans now and in the past. The future could change that and I hope it does, but to be ignorant of the past just makes you another ignorant Houston sports fan.

I have been a season ticket holder since 2002 (4 seats in the endzone) and my name is etched on the glass outside of the stadium. In other words, I helped build that damn stadium our team plays in, so dont come here with your Haterade. I guess your Vikings avatar makes you a Texans fan, huh? Oh wait, its your Napoleonic complex coming out as a Houston fan towards Dallas. Your probably one of the people that think Cowboys-Texans is actually a rivalry....lol

Second,

Isn't it funny how we season ticket holders are often the most critical of the team, and we end up being called haters? LOL. Constructive criticism is constructive criticism. The truth is the truth. I have been VERY hard on this team, mainly because I love it so much.

I'm sure that letter from Bob McNair announcing a price increase will arrive in my mailbox any day now.

As for the topic at hand, this is a complicated issue. I hate Jerry Jones, and think he's a total joke and moron. However, I respect his concrete decision making skills. He notices a problem, identifies it, and deals with it - immediately.

Jones knew that they were having trouble with their kicker towards the end of the season. He also knew they were going to be trying for the playoffs. So what did he do to the kicker that he liked and respected? He got rid of him. I'm sure it wasn't easy for him. Nick Folk was a pro-bowl kicker, and Jones probably liked the guy. But this is a business. Jones had to do what he had to do. I respect him for that.

Meanwhile, a few hours south of Big D, we have Kris Brown and Gary Kubiak. Brown has missed 11 field goals this year. That number needs to be spelled out for emphasis: E-L-E-V-E-N. He has often missed multiple field goals in one game.

Instead of politely sending him packing, we let him stay on the team. And, instead of cutting him in the offseason, we're going to bring in "competition" and supposedly make him "earn" his job. Never mind that said competition would be a sham because the coaches like Kris and he will keep his job regardless.

If Kris was a kicker for the Cowboys (or almost any other team, for that matter) he would have been unemployed after the Monday night disaster.
I hate Jerry Jones, but I respect him.

gary
01-16-2010, 03:49 PM
I agree, not liking someone and respecting someone are two different things.

GuerillaBlack
01-16-2010, 03:50 PM
Here's how I would argue that: I was a Cowboy fan since 1977... which is my first memory of football- watching the Cowboys in the playoffs at 4 years old. They were my team in 1989 when he bought them, fired Tom Landry and hired Jimmy. I was thrilled. I continued to be a huge fan and enjoyed 2 Superbowls in 1992 and 93. Then, he dismissed Jimmy in order to prove to the world his genius. He hired that moron that attempted to carry a gun on to a commercial airplane. I continued to try and root for them. The 1995 Superbowl victory versus Pitt was the emptiest victory I've ever witnessed. I knew then that I couldn't continue to root for him... After all, the players and coaches all change, only the owner remains constant... well, and the city... but, who in their right mind feels a connection to Dallas?

So, I was a man without a team until Houston announced. I'm thrilled to root for Bob McNair and his organization. The year when I became an even bigger fan was the worst W/L season we've ever have: 2005. Right after Katrina, I drove from Austin to Houston in order to volunteer for the relief effort. I was overwhelmed by the generosity of Mr. McNair and of Houston. He openned up these new, expensive, and beautiful facilities to these people. That is the kind of character, leadership that I'm interested in. Clearly some people define success differently. But, according to the way I see things, few things said are more obnoxious than: "Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than Bob McNair."

None of that discounts the fact that I want to win... I just think some things are more valuable. And, my experience rooting for that SOB is that the winning becomes pretty darn empty.

I'm pretty sure Bill White started it all with sending the evacuees to the Astrodome. It just trickled down from there. Still, Jerry Jones has some qualities that I wish McNair had.

Good job volunteering though!

HoustonFrog
01-16-2010, 04:06 PM
Here's how I would argue that: I was a Cowboy fan since 1977... which is my first memory of football- watching the Cowboys in the playoffs at 4 years old. They were my team in 1989 when he bought them, fired Tom Landry and hired Jimmy. I was thrilled. I continued to be a huge fan and enjoyed 2 Superbowls in 1992 and 93. Then, he dismissed Jimmy in order to prove to the world his genius. He hired that moron that attempted to carry a gun on to a commercial airplane. I continued to try and root for them. The 1995 Superbowl victory versus Pitt was the emptiest victory I've ever witnessed. I knew then that I couldn't continue to root for him... After all, the players and coaches all change, only the owner remains constant... well, and the city... but, who in their right mind feels a connection to Dallas?
So, I was a man without a team until Houston announced. I'm thrilled to root for Bob McNair and his organization. The year when I became an even bigger fan was the worst W/L season we've ever have: 2005. Right after Katrina, I drove from Austin to Houston in order to volunteer for the relief effort. I was overwhelmed by the generosity of Mr. McNair and of Houston. He openned up these new, expensive, and beautiful facilities to these people. That is the kind of character, leadership that I'm interested in. Clearly some people define success differently. But, according to the way I see things, few things said are more obnoxious than: "Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than Bob McNair."

None of that discounts the fact that I want to win... I just think some things are more valuable. And, my experience rooting for that SOB is that the winning becomes pretty darn empty.

I find this kind of thinking pathetic. You are a fan of a TEAM, their history, etc. You can't influence who owns the team or what they do but you sure can keep supporting the players. That is the constant you speak of. I grew up in Ft. Worth. Lived there 23 years before moving here. So it is types like me that feel close to their city, which is Cowboy country. Your statement about Dallas can only be explained as dumb. Been a fan of the Boys since 1975, when I remember football. Do I like all that Jerry has done...no. But just as he gets flogged for his miscues then he gets credit for his triumphs..hiring Jimmy, hiring Parcells and winning SBs but paying and keeping talent. Moves like bringing in Charles Haley, Dieon, etc. So from that standpoint is is hands down a better owner.

If you knew anything about the Jimmy/Jerry fued it is that Jerry didn't just up and fire Jimmy. Jimmy called him out on many occassions, made fun of him, taunted him. He wanted out and Jerry was tired of the talking back and forth. Jimmy admits this. It is why they are still best friends and Jimmy was his guest on opening night of the stadium. They both are to blame.

You are the worst kind. You weren't a fan to start with your attitude.

BTW, you bring up Katrina....you know Jones and his wife have been awarded some of the highest cheritable honors for their work with the Salvation Army and the Girls and Boys Club

stingray
01-16-2010, 04:12 PM
yeah, really? because I am honest and objective, I don't love my team? whatever man, I am sorry I don't drink the koolaid and homer for my team when its painfully obvious that the Cowboys are far superior to the Texans now and in the past. The future could change that and I hope it does, but to be ignorant of the past just makes you another ignorant Houston sports fan.

I have been a season ticket holder since 2002 (4 seats in the endzone) and my name is etched on the glass outside of the stadium. In other words, I helped build that damn stadium our team plays in, so dont come here with your Haterade. I guess your Vikings avatar makes you a Texans fan, huh? Oh wait, its your Napoleonic complex coming out as a Houston fan towards Dallas. Your probably one of the people that think Cowboys-Texans is actually a rivalry....lol

There's a difference between being a realist and a hater. Just like there's a difference between being a homer and a realist. I too didn't like some of Gary's playcalling. And he is stubborn as hell... But he also has brought this team to a very respectable level so far in his tenure. Do you remember how bad this team was when he took over? I am sure you do... They were as bad as the Lions are right now.

And you don't have to love Gary or the current owner, but when you continually use words like "suck", "suckage", "terrible". It's hard to take you serious because all I see is hate from you even if you do make some good points. I really don't even remember you even giving any props to the current regime. Hell, you were the one who started a "Fire Frank Bush" thread like two games into the season...LOL!!!!

And I too am a season ticket holder. And I live 350 miles away. I get home at 10:00 pm on Sundays after a game. Doesn't make me a better or worse fan.

And No... I don't think that the Texans and Cowboys are rivals.. They only play each other every four years.. But don't act like the Cowboys are the premier franchise either at this moment. I wouldn't want Jerry Jones as an owner because he meddles to much. He has done two good things since buying the franchise. Hiring Jimi Johnson and hiring Bill Parcells. He will eventually drive this team into a black hole just like Al Davis did unless he gets a GM. He might get lucky with a draft or two but eventually his lack of knowledge of scouting and pro personell will catch up to him.

Ohh.. I have a Vikings avatar because I wanna piss off many closet cowboy fans like you...

Brando
01-16-2010, 04:18 PM
There's a difference between being a realist and a hater. Just like there's a difference between being a homer and a realist. I too didn't like some of Gary's playcalling. And he is stubborn as hell... But he also has brought this team to a very respectable level so far in his tenure. Do you remember how bad this team was when he took over? I am sure you do... They were as bad as the Lions are right now.

And you don't have to love Gary or the current owner, but when you continually use words like "suck", "suckage", "terrible". It's hard to take you serious because all I see is hate from you even if you do make some good points. I really don't even remember you even giving any props to the current regime. Hell, you were the one who started a "Fire Frank Bush". Thread like two games into the season...LOL!!!!

And I too am a season ticket holder. And I live 350 miles away. I get home at 10:00 pm on Sundays after a game. Doesn't make me a better or worse fan.

And No... I don't think that the Texans and Cowboys are rivals.. They only play each other every four years.. But don't act like the Cowboys are the premier franchise either at this moment. I wouldn't want Jerry Jones as an owner because he meddles to much. He has done two good things since buying the franchise. Hiring Jimi Johnson and hiring Bill Parcells. He will eventually drive this team into a black hole just like Al Davis did unless he gets a GM. He might get lucky with a draft or two but eventually his lack of knowledge of scouting and pro-football will catch up to him.

Well said sir! +REP

HoustonFrog
01-16-2010, 04:27 PM
There's a difference between being a realist and a hater. Just like there's a difference between being a homer and a realist. I too didn't like some of Gary's playcalling. And he is stubborn as hell... But he also has brought this team to a very respectable level so far in his tenure. Do you remember how bad this team was when he took over? I am sure you do... They were as bad as the Lions are right now.

And you don't have to love Gary or the current owner, but when you continually use words like "suck", "suckage", "terrible". It's hard to take you serious because all I see is hate from you even if you do make some good points. I really don't even remember you even giving any props to the current regime. Hell, you were the one who started a "Fire Frank Bush" thread like two games into the season...LOL!!!!

And I too am a season ticket holder. And I live 350 miles away. I get home at 10:00 pm on Sundays after a game. Doesn't make me a better or worse fan.

And No... I don't think that the Texans and Cowboys are rivals.. They only play each other every four years.. But don't act like the Cowboys are the premier franchise either at this moment. I wouldn't want Jerry Jones as an owner because he meddles to much. He has done two good things since buying the franchise. Hiring Jimi Johnson and hiring Bill Parcells. He will eventually drive this team into a black hole just like Al Davis did unless he gets a GM. He might get lucky with a draft or two but eventually his lack of knowledge of scouting and pro personell will catch up to him.

Ohh.. I have a Vikings avatar because I wanna piss off many closet cowboy fans like you...


Most people said he already was leading them to nowhere and look where they are. And your statement about all he has done good.....he changed the NFL for all owners. You do know Jones and McNair are buddies, right? All the owners know that Jerry basically made the revenues to what they are today through stadium sponsorships, etc. When he first started to get Visa and Pepsi to sign deals with the Cowboys, other owners balked and then got behind it because of the revenue. This is one of many things

Joe Texan
01-16-2010, 04:30 PM
I will tell you that I was Born and Raised a Houston Texan. The Cowpies are just that SHIT. And you Second Honey Mooner, Pink Soap, "We Season Ticket Owners", Closet Cowboy fans can shove the pink soap right down your throats. Love on Jerrah all you want But I will never tolerate a Houston Rag Spewin Cowboy Vomit all over this town. The Squeaky Wheel gets the grease
and dick face justice is just that a squeaky wheel.

stingray
01-16-2010, 04:31 PM
Most people said he already was leading them to nowhere and look where they are. And your statement about all he has done good.....he changed the NFL for all owners. You do know Jones and McNair are buddies, right? All the owners know that Jerry basically made the revenues to what they are today through stadium sponsorships, etc. When he first started to get Visa and Pepsi to sign deals with the Cowboys, other owners balked and then got behind it because of the revenue. This is one of many things

I was talking about football only issues.. Listen, I would love Jerry Jones as an owner, IF he took himself out of the GM role permanlty. I love owners who really care about winning and jerry wants to win. But I don't like an owner in the "The wizard of Oz" role.

Ryan
01-16-2010, 04:38 PM
I don't give this clown the page views he craves.

gary
01-16-2010, 04:47 PM
The thing that gets me about Jerry is he's just too power hungry for my taste. He just wants to be it all he sort of reminds me of Hitler because he is such a control freak without there being any merit to be IMO.

redwhiteANDblue
01-16-2010, 04:48 PM
I left Dick a comment


Dick,
You are the reason the Chronicle is failing, Your Journalism Smells and your Arrogance Reeks of Cowboy Fan. Because you sit there working on a Houston Paper and Spew this garbage like it was true you single handedly are ruining the Houston Sports Seen. Do you realize that no one wants to pick up a paper and look at the putrid stuff you smear all over the pages. We Tell you and Tell you but you still puke all over the sports page and laugh in our faces. Too bad they let you in the news room when you should be shoveling everybodies poop at the Dallas Morning News. Why Don't you just Move down to your little outhouse in Dallas and leave the sports writing in Houston to those that know what they are doing.
If you were on fire I would not spit on you to put you out. Good Day Sir.

:clap:

Craig.
01-16-2010, 04:50 PM
I will tell you that I was Born and Raised a Houston Texan. The Cowpies are just that SHIT. And you Second Honey Mooner, Pink Soap, "We Season Ticket Owners", Closet Cowboy fans can shove the pink soap right down your throats. Love on Jerrah all you want But I will never tolerate a Houston Rag Spewin Cowboy Vomit all over this town. The Squeaky Wheel gets the grease
and dick face justice is just that a squeaky wheel.

You're really 46?

Mr. White
01-16-2010, 05:04 PM
I was talking about football only issues.. Listen, I would love Jerry Jones as an owner, IF he took himself out of the GM role permanlty. I love owners who really care about winning and jerry wants to win. But I don't like an owner in the "The wizard of Oz" role.

I guess that means you aren't an Astros fan.

Craig.
01-16-2010, 05:04 PM
The thing that gets me about Jerry is he's just too power hungry for my taste. He just wants to be it all he sort of reminds me of Hitler because he is such a control freak without there being any merit to be IMO.

You just compared Jerry Jones to Hitler? Some of y'all take this stuff WAY too seriously.

Ryan
01-16-2010, 05:06 PM
You just compared Jerry Jones to Hitler? Some of y'all take this stuff WAY too seriously.

Exactly. Maybe we can start comparing the two if Jerry kills 6 million people.

Wolf
01-16-2010, 05:08 PM
Goodwin's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) has been enacted http://www.allemoticons.com/People/judge.gif

Mr. White
01-16-2010, 05:09 PM
12 playoff appearances and 3 Lombardi trophies > 0 playoff appearances and 0 Lombardi trophies.

Jerry Jones has scoreboard and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it.

gary
01-16-2010, 05:10 PM
You just compared Jerry Jones to Hitler? Some of y'all take this stuff WAY too seriously.The control factor not the murder oh, get over it.

gary
01-16-2010, 05:13 PM
I just think some overeact period. He just wants sure power like that is all I'm saying. MY GOD

GuerillaBlack
01-16-2010, 05:24 PM
The thing that gets me about Jerry is he's just too power hungry for my taste. He just wants to be it all he sort of reminds me of Hitler because he is such a control freak without there being any merit to be IMO.

Hitler? Come on bro.

12 playoff appearances and 3 Lombardi trophies > 0 playoff appearances and 0 Lombardi trophies.

Jerry Jones has scoreboard and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it.

Not to mention that he is in the playoffs still...while the Texans have been sitting at home. Looks like him being a control freak is paying off for them.

Edit:

I just think some overeact period. He just wants sure power like that is all I'm saying. MY GOD

With all due respect, this is an overreaction post, too.

WWJD
01-16-2010, 05:31 PM
Generally speaking I think most men with Jerry's money and influence are just use to being "in control"...

Jerry's always been honest about it. Day one he came in and said he was going to run the team the way he wanted. He's just wired that way and he's got the bankroll to live life like that.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2010, 05:34 PM
I was talking about football only issues.. Listen, I would love Jerry Jones as an owner, IF he took himself out of the GM role permanlty. I love owners who really care about winning and jerry wants to win. But I don't like an owner in the "The wizard of Oz" role.

And there are many Cowboy fans,myself included, that feel the same alot of times, but I have to give him his due too.

gary
01-16-2010, 05:35 PM
With all due respect, this is an overreaction post, too.How? Look past the killing stop being blind power is all I mean man. You know he does not kill bro and so do I.

The Pencil Neck
01-16-2010, 05:46 PM
I'm a Texan fan. I'm not a season ticket holder. I live in Dallas but I grew up in Houston. I get to come down for maybe 1 game per year.

I don't like the Cowboys. Never have.

I've lived through a lot of suck seasons. Most of them Oiler seasons.

I didn't much care when Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys. My mom was really unhappy with how he treated Landry and even though I wasn't much of a Cowboy fan, it left a sour taste in my mouth, too.

But he made some right decisions and with Jimmie Johnson, he put together a really great team. But I think that Jerry started to think a bit too much of his own football prowess at that point and he's been paying for that ever since. With Switzer (and Jimmie's team), Jerry thought he was right and he really was a football genius. His record since then has shown that he isn't as great as he thinks he is.

Although he made the right decisions to build that first powerhouse of a team, he made all the wrong decisions and destroyed it. He made a right decision to get Parcells but he screwed up by bringing in TO and losing Parcells. Parcells was taking his time and building a team that could be a perennial powerhouse. Jerry may have learned his lessons and maybe he'll be able to build something but judging from his Roy Williams trade, I doubt it. I think Jerry is his own worst enemy.

Even though Jones has had a ton more success in his football career, I prefer McNair as an owner. I think he's doing it right. He brought in football people and he trusted them. They were the wrong football people. That didn't work and he's trying it again and getting much better results. I think that a very, very good team is being built here and I think it's being built the right way.

StarStruck
01-16-2010, 05:57 PM
A couple years ago Steven Jackson was still on the board and Jerry Jones traded back and took Juluis Jones. Big Mistake

Five years, but nevertheless, I would have chosen Jackson.

dalemurphy
01-16-2010, 06:01 PM
I find this kind of thinking pathetic. You are a fan of a TEAM, their history, etc. You can't influence who owns the team or what they do but you sure can keep supporting the players. That is the constant you speak of. I grew up in Ft. Worth. Lived there 23 years before moving here. So it is types like me that feel close to their city, which is Cowboy country. Your statement about Dallas can only be explained as dumb. Been a fan of the Boys since 1975, when I remember football. Do I like all that Jerry has done...no. But just as he gets flogged for his miscues then he gets credit for his triumphs..hiring Jimmy, hiring Parcells and winning SBs but paying and keeping talent. Moves like bringing in Charles Haley, Dieon, etc. So from that standpoint is is hands down a better owner.

If you knew anything about the Jimmy/Jerry fued it is that Jerry didn't just up and fire Jimmy. Jimmy called him out on many occassions, made fun of him, taunted him. He wanted out and Jerry was tired of the talking back and forth. Jimmy admits this. It is why they are still best friends and Jimmy was his guest on opening night of the stadium. They both are to blame.

You are the worst kind. You weren't a fan to start with your attitude.

BTW, you bring up Katrina....you know Jones and his wife have been awarded some of the highest cheritable honors for their work with the Salvation Army and the Girls and Boys Club


Celebrating the Deion signing is the perfect example of why you're a Cowboy fan and I'm not, anymore. As is typical with Cowboy fans, you don't take rejection well. Regarding your point about supporting the players: what players are contributing to the team that were their before Jerry Jones was? none! The only constant is the owner! Heck, even the city has changed. You used to play in that dump in Irving. Now, you play in Arlington. If you are like most Cowboy fans, you loved Terrell Owens and defended is honor for 3 years. As a 49er and an Eagle, you hated the man and thought him a despicable human being. I can't justify that kind of leap. And, to be a Cowboy fan, you spend most of your life having to justify all kinds of crap like that.

gary
01-16-2010, 06:05 PM
I am very sorry about my post some think and feel differently and I sit here not knowing what my hurt other posters behind my keyboard just like you. If you'd like to have my post deleted then please do so but you all have known me for a very long time and know I never mean any harm.

StarStruck
01-16-2010, 06:05 PM
I canceled my sub to the local ragsheet several years ago because I got tired of our so callled sports writers lovefest with the Cowboys and Titans. I've never been sorry either. If the Chron wants to support the enemy FINE, I won't support the Chron. Screw them all!!! I'm ONE HAPPY TEXAN fan and I don't need the Chron to get news about my team. Let the "girl" and "meatball" fans of this city support that piece of crap newspaper. I refuse to do it.

I read Chronicle online for local news, and read DMN for my sports, Jean-Jacques Taylor in particular. He has caught heat from some of his Cowboys comments, but my opinion is just improve, and an opinion piece will line up with my passion as a fan. If the Texans were 13-3, I would bet that Justice wouldn't be annoying.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2010, 06:08 PM
Celebrating the Deion signing is the perfect example of why you're a Cowboy fan and I'm not, anymore. As is typical with Cowboy fans, you don't take rejection well. Regarding your point about supporting the players: what players are contributing to the team that were their before Jerry Jones was? none! The only constant is the owner! Heck, even the city has changed. You used to play in that dump in Irving. Now, you play in Arlington. If you are like most Cowboy fans, you loved Terrell Owens and defended is honor for 3 years. As a 49er and an Eagle, you hated the man and thought him a despicable human being. I can't justify that kind of leap. And, to be a Cowboy fan, you spend most of your life having to justify all kinds of crap like that.

1) What was wrong with the Dieon move? The 49ers did the same. It helped both teams. He wasn't a thug or anything. Just a world class athlete that helped teams win. I guess bringing in talent is too over the top for you.

2) There were plenty from Landry....Irvin was his choice. Though for a year. There were linemen too. You missed the point though. Why stop supporting a TEAM?You live and die by the team through thick and thin. It's the difference between a bandwagoner and a true fan.

3) Hate to tell you but MOST Cowboy fans hated TO and what he stood for. We talked about it here.

4) 35 years of fandom, nothing is ever perfect. So I don't have to justify anything. I'm not the one who jumps ship and then becomes a koolaid drinker of another team. Hope they don't do anything bad because you might be a Charger fan next.

StarStruck
01-16-2010, 06:12 PM
actually Parcells and Jones collaborated and One of the biggest draft busts in recent Cowboys history was a Parcells pick. Carpenter sucks and had no business being drafted but Bill loved Carpenter's father and had to draft him.

Jones is a good owner. Period. 3 trophies. Billion dollar stadium. Commitment to trying to win. Doesn't always work, but they are trying to win championships while people around here throw parades for 9-7.

Hey, Carpenter has done so well of late, I was tempted to included him in my Cowboys avitars. When he recovered that fumble last week, I was up out of my seat as though he had made a touchdown. But, he did miss a tackle the week before made me scream in frustration.

GuerillaBlack
01-16-2010, 06:14 PM
Celebrating the Deion signing is the perfect example of why you're a Cowboy fan and I'm not, anymore. As is typical with Cowboy fans, you don't take rejection well. Regarding your point about supporting the players: what players are contributing to the team that were their before Jerry Jones was? none! The only constant is the owner! Heck, even the city has changed. You used to play in that dump in Irving. Now, you play in Arlington. If you are like most Cowboy fans, you loved Terrell Owens and defended is honor for 3 years. As a 49er and an Eagle, you hated the man and thought him a despicable human being. I can't justify that kind of leap. And, to be a Cowboy fan, you spend most of your life having to justify all kinds of crap like that.

I hope this isn't a serious question.

dalemurphy
01-16-2010, 06:19 PM
1) What was wrong with the Dieon move? The 49ers did the same. It helped both teams. He wasn't a thug or anything. Just a world class athlete that helped teams win. I guess bringing in talent is too over the top for you.

2) There were plenty from Landry....Irvin was his choice. Though for a year. There were linemen too. You missed the point though. Why stop supporting a TEAM?You live and die by the team through thick and thin. It's the difference between a bandwagoner and a true fan.

3) Hate to tell you but MOST Cowboy fans hated TO and what he stood for. We talked about it here.

4) 35 years of fandom, nothing is ever perfect. So I don't have to justify anything. I'm not the one who jumps ship and then becomes a koolaid drinker of another team. Hope they don't do anything bad because you might be a Charger fan next.


I'm not sure why I'm a "bandwagoner" since I left a championship team and wandered in the wilderness for 7 years before becoming, and remaining, a fan of a team that just had its first winning season in 8 years.

Most Cowboy fans justified T.O. all over the place. Cowboy fans are everywhere and we all know that to be true. If you did not, then you were certainly in the minority.

If Bob McNair sells his team to someone like Jerry Jones or if McNair begins to behave and run his team like Jerry Jones, I am sure I will have difficulty continuing to root for the Texans. I hope it doesn't happen. Certainly, I would immediate discontinue my season tickets and stop buying Texan products... just like I stopped support the Astros until they changed the name of the park from Enron Field. If that sort of thinking makes me a bandwagoner, then so be it. Perhaps, though, people like you place too much importance in tradition. There are other things more important, IMO.

dalemurphy
01-16-2010, 06:22 PM
I hope this isn't a serious question.

It's central to the point. Ownership is the constant, not players. The fact that you root for Andre Johnson is secondary to your fandom of the organization headed by McNair. If AJ leaves for Indy, you will continue to root for the Texans to beat Indy, right?

GuerillaBlack
01-16-2010, 06:27 PM
It's central to the point. Ownership is the constant, not players. The fact that you root for Andre Johnson is secondary to your fandom of the organization headed by McNair. If AJ leaves for Indy, you will continue to root for the Texans to beat Indy, right?

I see what you're saying, and of course I would route for the Texans still.

StarStruck
01-16-2010, 06:31 PM
Second,

Isn't it funny how we season ticket holders are often the most critical of the team, and we end up being called haters? LOL. Constructive criticism is constructive criticism. The truth is the truth. I have been VERY hard on this team, mainly because I love it so much.


Jones knew that they were having trouble with their kicker towards the end of the season. He also knew they were going to be trying for the playoffs. So what did he do to the kicker that he liked and respected? He got rid of him. I'm sure it wasn't easy for him. Nick Folk was a pro-bowl kicker, and Jones probably liked the guy. But this is a business. Jones had to do what he had to do. I respect him for that.

Meanwhile, a few hours south of Big D, we have Kris Brown and Gary Kubiak. Brown has missed 11 field goals this year. That number needs to be spelled out for emphasis: E-L-E-V-E-N. He has often missed multiple field goals in one game.



Yeah, Folk's dismissal was quiet as Rowdy's.

I am also a Texans PSL/Season Ticket holder since day-one, and for some reason always forget to check out the board to find my name etched. I thought it would be cool being fans and supporters of both Texas teams and do enjoy going to both Cowboys and Texans games. Being naturally competitive, it is disappointing that the Texans are still awaiting an appearance in the Playoffs.

Having that competitive spirit is the reason why I was very vocal in my displeasure of how Romo gave the stadium opening game away to the Giants. Losing a hard fought battle is one thing, but losing and acting as though there are more important things in life to be concerned about (Carr) is disappointing to say the least.

DiehardChris
01-16-2010, 06:32 PM
If Richard Justice has sex with Vince Young in the forest, would anyone hear it?

ObsiWan
01-16-2010, 06:39 PM
It's central to the point. Ownership is the constant, not players. The fact that you root for Andre Johnson is secondary to your fandom of the organization headed by McNair. If AJ leaves for Indy, you will continue to root for the Texans to beat Indy, right?

We should have you lobotomized for having that thought even enter your brain.
LOL

WWJD
01-16-2010, 06:39 PM
Yeah, Folk's dismissal was quiet as Rowdy's.

I am also a Texans PSL/Season Ticket holder since day-one, and for some reason always forget to check out the board to find my name etched. I thought it would be cool being fans and supporters of both Texas teams and do enjoy going to both Cowboys and Texans games. Being naturally competitive, it is disappointing that the Texans are still awaiting an appearance in the Playoffs.

Having that competitive spirit is the reason why I was very vocal in my displeasure of how Romo gave the stadium opening game away to the Giants. Losing a hard fought battle is one thing, but losing and acting as though there are more important things in life to be concerned about (Carr) is disappointing to say the least.

I want a loan! Pretty please :)...you got some major bucks tied up there girlfriend.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2010, 06:40 PM
I'm not sure why I'm a "bandwagoner" since I left a championship team and wandered in the wilderness for 7 years before becoming, and remaining, a fan of a team that just had its first winning season in 8 years.

Most Cowboy fans justified T.O. all over the place. Cowboy fans are everywhere and we all know that to be true. If you did not, then you were certainly in the minority.

If Bob McNair sells his team to someone like Jerry Jones or if McNair begins to behave and run his team like Jerry Jones, I am sure I will have difficulty continuing to root for the Texans. I hope it doesn't happen. Certainly, I would immediate discontinue my season tickets and stop buying Texan products... just like I stopped support the Astros until they changed the name of the park from Enron Field. If that sort of thinking makes me a bandwagoner, then so be it. Perhaps, though, people like you place too much importance in tradition. There are other things more important, IMO.

I always look at bandwagon as not just cheering on good teams but in jumping ship at the first sign of something bad.

The funny part is that probably the 1st or 2nd critique of a Cowboy fan is he is a bandwagon fan and that alot of fans joined in the 90s. While I completely disagree because there have been fans everywhere since I was a kid, it is funny that you are arguing that if I was a real fan I would have done the opposite....leave my fandom for another team. Sorry, can't do that. Again, the Cowboys are the team I love. There is crap to put up with but EVERY team has owners that they have to deal with. In fact there are many owners who don't care a bit about winning and fans still come. So I have no problem with Jerry in the grand scheme since he cares more than most owners and despite his flaws, wants to win. Were the Tank, PacMan, TO moves flawed? Yeah but he moved on.

BTW, Clint Murchinson and Bum Bright weren't very well liked by alot of people. Bum wanted Landry gone years before and almost fired him pre-3-13. Yet you had no problems then...probably because as a kid and later, ownership didn't matter as much as the team and coach....

StarStruck
01-16-2010, 06:41 PM
Ohh.. I have a Vikings avatar because I wanna piss off many closet cowboy fans like you...

Cool. But, until it was mentioned in a previous post, I had not noticed the avitar. Thank goodness I'm not closet.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2010, 06:53 PM
Cool. But, until it was mentioned in a previous post, I had not noticed the avitar. Thank goodness I'm not closet.

LOL..me too. Your name and avatar don't seem too closet to me..lol

StarStruck
01-16-2010, 07:09 PM
LOL..me too. Your name and avatar don't seem too closet to me..lol

LOL. Last night I was wearing a Cowboy's hoodie, and a man made the remark that Cowboys fans are coming out of the woodwork since they made the playoffs. I smiled, but thought most of my casual attire is made up of either a Cowboys jersey, t-shirt or hoodie.

gary
01-16-2010, 07:10 PM
What a thread this has turned out to be again, I am deeply sorry and hope it is excepted.

StarStruck
01-16-2010, 07:18 PM
What a thread this has turned out to be again, I am deeply sorry and hope it is excepted.

I'm sorry because this is something I rarely do. Perhaps a lilttle redirection was needed.

gary
01-16-2010, 07:27 PM
I'm sorry because this is something I rarely do. Perhaps a lilttle redirection was needed.You do know that if I thought for one second that it would do damage I would never have posted it.

stingray
01-16-2010, 07:33 PM
You do know that if I thought for one second that it would do damage I would never have posted it.

No biggie gary, it's just about Dickie J...., And we can all agree that he is an A-hole...

gary
01-16-2010, 07:44 PM
Thanks, I really felt bad wether you all think so or not I know I am sorry and that is all that counts.

gary
01-16-2010, 09:25 PM
How about fire Justice avatars?

WWJD
01-16-2010, 10:14 PM
Thanks, I really felt bad wether you all think so or not I know I am sorry and that is all that counts.

I can only speak for myself Gary but you're one of my board favorites!

Always enjoy reading your opinion and take on threads you post on.

Silver Oak
01-16-2010, 10:20 PM
If Richard Justice has sex with Vince Young in the forest, would anyone hear it?

as if they haven't already.

dalemurphy
01-16-2010, 10:32 PM
If Richard Justice has sex with Vince Young in the forest, would anyone hear it?

I saw the movie! it's called "Antichrist"... DON'T SEE IT!

gary
01-16-2010, 10:39 PM
I can only speak for myself Gary but you're one of my board favorites!

Always enjoy reading your opinion and take on threads you post on.Thanks very much my TT friends are the best.

BigBull17
01-16-2010, 10:40 PM
Well, whenever that happens...

I know Jerry, Kraft, etc., would have cut Kris Brown after the MNF game and had a new kicker in here (for all the other missed FGs Kris Brown had after that game). We've only seen progress this year, as far as record goes, and still no playoffs. Kubiak would have been fired if he had been under Jones or Kraft. But, we're the boy scout, good boy team, so none of that will ever happen.

Kraft is a prety good owner, Jones is in a league of his own. I wish we could have Parcells build us a team, truth be told, cause he has a scary ye for talent.

Mr. White
01-16-2010, 10:55 PM
I saw the movie! it's called "Antichrist"... DON'T SEE IT!

I'll take your word for it. I heard it was really disturbing. The reviews were god-awful.

StarStruck
01-16-2010, 11:04 PM
Thanks very much my TT friends are the best.

I didn't give any thought to your comment about JJ or the comparison. There is simply too much value that you add to this board to give a second thought to a comment that I could disagree.

Personally, I lilke Jerry Jones. I don't think he's perfect, thank goodness, and he has made some decisions that angered me, and to a lesser extent, I disagreed. However, I do feel that Jerry is probably more a fan of the Dallas Cowboys than anyone, and wants above all the bottom line profits, a very successful francise as a winner. With that in mind, I can overlook what appears to be meddling and see it as a sincere and passionate desire for the team to be among if not the best in the league. IMO, Jerry sees this organization as more than a profitable investment.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2010, 11:33 PM
I didn't give any thought to your comment about JJ or the comparison. There is simply too much value that you add to this board to give a second thought to a comment that I could disagree.

Personally, I lilke Jerry Jones. I don't think he's perfect, thank goodness, and he has made some decisions that angered me, and to a lesser extent, I disagreed. However, I do feel that Jerry is probably more a fan of the Dallas Cowboys than anyone, and wants above all the bottom line profits, a very successful francise as a winner. With that in mind, I can overlook what appears to be meddling and see it as a sincere and passionate desire for the team to be among if not the best in the league. IMO, Jerry sees this organization as more than a profitable investment.

Very well said:clap:

houstonspartan
01-16-2010, 11:57 PM
I didn't give any thought to your comment about JJ or the comparison. There is simply too much value that you add to this board to give a second thought to a comment that I could disagree.

Personally, I lilke Jerry Jones. I don't think he's perfect, thank goodness, and he has made some decisions that angered me, and to a lesser extent, I disagreed. However, I do feel that Jerry is probably more a fan of the Dallas Cowboys than anyone, and wants above all the bottom line profits, a very successful francise as a winner. With that in mind, I can overlook what appears to be meddling and see it as a sincere and passionate desire for the team to be among if not the best in the league. IMO, Jerry sees this organization as more than a profitable investment.


Well, sure. It's the point I made several pages ago. As much as Jerry Jones is the biggest buffon in the NFL, I respect him because he really, really loves his team and his city and wants them to win. Unfortunately he usually makes the wrong decisions, but, at the end of the day, I think his heart is in the right place. I respect that.

Bob McNair loves the Texans as well, and he also loves Houston, but, Bob doesn't have that killer attitude that Jerry Jones has.

At least not yet.

Norg
01-17-2010, 12:41 AM
All i gotz to say is we will see dem Cowgirls Next YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!:texflag:

Pollardized
01-17-2010, 10:59 AM
Dick looking for VY?

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Second Honeymoon
01-17-2010, 11:02 AM
Celebrating the Deion signing is the perfect example of why you're a Cowboy fan and I'm not, anymore. As is typical with Cowboy fans, you don't take rejection well. Regarding your point about supporting the players: what players are contributing to the team that were their before Jerry Jones was? none! The only constant is the owner! Heck, even the city has changed. You used to play in that dump in Irving. Now, you play in Arlington. If you are like most Cowboy fans, you loved Terrell Owens and defended is honor for 3 years. As a 49er and an Eagle, you hated the man and thought him a despicable human being. I can't justify that kind of leap. And, to be a Cowboy fan, you spend most of your life having to justify all kinds of crap like that.

you are criticizing the Deion signing by Jones? omfg, that was a great move and was extremely critical to Jones getting his 3rd trophy. Deion is one of, if not the best, cover corner in the history of the NFL. Add in his special teams ability and any owner who can sign him is good in my book.

is it because Deion is too black for you? is it because Deion is too good of a player or too confident? Deion is a helluva football player and has never gotten in trouble with the law or been a bad teammate.

I only wish our owner, McNair, could sign and lure a player of the caliber of Deion to come to our team. To act like you hate Jones because he would bring in a player like Deion is just crazy.

gary
01-17-2010, 11:10 AM
Well, sure. It's the point I made several pages ago. As much as Jerry Jones is the biggest buffon in the NFL, I respect him because he really, really loves his team and his city and wants them to win. Unfortunately he usually makes the wrong decisions, but, at the end of the day, I think his heart is in the right place. I respect that.

Bob McNair loves the Texans as well, and he also loves Houston, but, Bob doesn't have that killer attitude that Jerry Jones has.

At least not yet.Exactly.

dalemurphy
01-17-2010, 11:28 AM
you are criticizing the Deion signing by Jones? omfg, that was a great move and was extremely critical to Jones getting his 3rd trophy. Deion is one of, if not the best, cover corner in the history of the NFL. Add in his special teams ability and any owner who can sign him is good in my book.

is it because Deion is too black for you? is it because Deion is too good of a player or too confident? Deion is a helluva football player and has never gotten in trouble with the law or been a bad teammate.

I only wish our owner, McNair, could sign and lure a player of the caliber of Deion to come to our team. To act like you hate Jones because he would bring in a player like Deion is just crazy.


yeah, that's it exactly. I like my CBs to be white! It couldn't be that I loath the attitude of the signing- that one player will make them a champion again, watching Jerry and Barry jump around a laugh like hyenas in the press conference. It couldn't have anything to do with the me-first attitude and his lust for attention. Nor could it be the incestual nature of these signings- one year the entire fanbase hates him as a 49er, then they all love him... Then, he becomes a Redskin and they all hate him again.

Wolf
01-17-2010, 11:41 AM
Dick looking for VY?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NliQl_vuj1Q/R9feYFCGFfI/AAAAAAAAAlA/rqvGMdcd3KU/s320/justice-winner.jpg

I heard Justice had surgery where they put a piece of plexiglass in where his belly button is so that he can see where he's going when he walks

Drew_Smoke
01-17-2010, 12:43 PM
LOL....I wonder if Richie laughs his arse off at all of this like I do. Okay...he prolly doesn't read it. It would be like a 3rd grade teacher stressing over what a kid wrote on RateMyProfessor.com

He just sucks y'all in and you all line up and make your way to your spot in the back of the cattle car.

And the bloggers on Chron.com are the better sportswriters...that is great!

This thread reeks of stale bong water.

Silver Oak
01-17-2010, 01:27 PM
good thing Jerry Jones tinkered with that kicking game...

those hands on owners are soooooo good!


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Dr2bKay
01-17-2010, 01:34 PM
After reading some of the comments...I think some folks are only Texans season ticket holders because:

A- They live in Houston and don't want to move to the same city as their fav team
B- They can't think of anything else to do with their money
C- Don't want to spend the money to become season ticket holders and travel to their real fav team

It is just very interesting to me.....off to work on my pfufa application.

GuerillaBlack
01-17-2010, 01:48 PM
good thing Jerry Jones tinkered with that kicking game...

those hands on owners are soooooo good!


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Extremely weak.

After reading some of the comments...I think some folks are only Texans season ticket holders because:

A- They live in Houston and don't want to move to the same city as their fav team
B- They can't think of anything else to do with their money
C- Don't want to spend the money to become season ticket holders and travel to their real fav team

It is just very interesting to me.....off to work on my pfufa application.

D - Care about their team and are allowed to critic the Texans.

People are really sensitive.

WWJD
01-17-2010, 02:03 PM
good thing Jerry Jones tinkered with that kicking game...

those hands on owners are soooooo good!


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They settled for Suisham and only then because he was the best of the worse. And he'd been there before.

Folk couldn't kick 20 yard FG's anymore. They had NO choice.

Joe Texan
01-17-2010, 02:05 PM
Care about their team and are allowed to critic the Texans while contantly sucking Jerry Jones ass!




there you go I fixed it for you

GuerillaBlack
01-17-2010, 02:05 PM
there you go I fixed it for you

While you're polishing Bob McNair's.

Silver Oak
01-17-2010, 02:22 PM
Extremely weak.



People are really sensitive.

instead of attacking me, try to debate my post. they have indeed rattled Romo, and it was indeed a good plan.

your turn.

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GuerillaBlack
01-17-2010, 02:32 PM
instead of attacking me, try to debate my post. they have indeed rattled Romo, and it was indeed a good plan.

your turn.

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How did I attack you? And what is there to debate from your post? It was weak smack at the posters who gave Jerry props for getting rid of his kicker...who had missed 10 FGs this season. We kept Brown and know where that got us. And, didn't Brown miss a 30-something yarder in the game against New England?

Silver Oak
01-17-2010, 02:56 PM
good thing Jerry Jones tinkered with that kicking game...

those hands on owners are soooooo good!




this


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houstonspartan
01-17-2010, 03:00 PM
After reading some of the comments...I think some folks are only Texans season ticket holders because:

A- They live in Houston and don't want to move to the same city as their fav team
B- They can't think of anything else to do with their money
C- Don't want to spend the money to become season ticket holders and travel to their real fav team

It is just very interesting to me.....off to work on my pfufa application.

I'm not sure what your point was here, and i can't figure out the tone, but,those of us who are ticket holders are ticket holders because we like the team. It's that simple.

If I'm not mistaken, weren't you asking an another forum about playoff tickets back when we were still in the running? I believe you said that if the Texans made the playoffs, you would forgo a trip to the Galleria and buy playoff tickets.

You spend your money your way, I'll spend mine my way.

SheTexan
01-17-2010, 03:47 PM
Dick looking for VY?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NliQl_vuj1Q/R9feYFCGFfI/AAAAAAAAAlA/rqvGMdcd3KU/s320/justice-winner.jpg

Best post EVER, esp in this thread!!

blitz90
01-17-2010, 04:00 PM
Make the world a better place, punch Dick Justice in the face.

Texecutioner
01-17-2010, 04:39 PM
Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than McNair. How can anyone argue that? It took him a while to find a QB (and some would say he is still looking for one) but the guy has presided over 3 championships and has done everything to help his team win.

His worst move was trading for Galloway. That was a horrible move, and no one should let him off the hook for that, but what else has he done that has been so bad. You could argue that he ran Jimmy Johnson out of town, but I think Jimmy was done anyway as Cowboys head coach. He wanted a new challenge with more power. He got that wish and failed at Miami.

McNair has given Carr maximum extension and wanted to draft a QB to begin with. Horrible move to go with a rookie QB #1 overall in your first draft. Just ignorant. Hired Casserley to run his football operations. He has also made little to no extra effort to improve his team to be championship caliber. Signing Antonio Smith, Weaver, and Greenwood aren't championship moves.

and for all the haters on Jerry, guess where most of his players came from? Yup, the draft. And guess who is in charge of the draft in Big D? Jerry is. So maybe he aint so bad after all. Some of you act like you know more than Jerry does about football...that is laughable. Jerry is actually one of the longest tenured GMs in all football if not the longest tenured.

I Am not saying McNair sucks, but Justice is just calling a spade a spade. McNair has had opportunities to greatly improve the team, and he has not done it. Haynesworth, Michael Turner, and Kris Jenkins have all been available at positions of need and we dont even make a run at them. We decide to roll with what we got. That sure has worked out well for us, huh?

at the end of the day, Jerry has 3 trophies, runs the most valuable sports franchise in America, and we are a losing football franchise who have some fans that act like 9-7 is some validation of McNair's plan while in the same breath criticize the Cowboys for not winning playoff games. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. expansion team or not, there is no argument that McNair is a better owner. it just doesn't hold water.

I love my Texans but the Texans aren't in the same class as the Cowboys...yet. Maybe we should focus more on our real rivals, Justice. Like the Titans. ThIs make believe fairy tale Texans-Cowboys rivalry is a total joke...its not a rivalry. It's an inferiority complex by many of the Texans fans..not a rivalry.

Agreed. I thought Justice was pretty spot on. I've always hated the Cowboys and always will, but Jerry has a much stronger passion for winning than Mcnair does. The Cowboys have been much more successful the last 5 years than the Texans have been as well and I won't even count the first few years of expansion. Most of our fans are stoked to be 9-7 even though is was a very disappointing season where we should have been in the playoffs. Until the majority of Texans fans demand more from our team and the team's management or the HC staff and team delivers and over achieves instead of under achieves, the Cowboys will be the bigger hit in Texas. As of right now they are. Hopefully that changes starting next season.

GuerillaBlack
01-17-2010, 04:48 PM
this


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Doesn't make sense.

SheTexan
01-17-2010, 04:54 PM
Geeeezzzz! Can't all our closet Cowboy fans go away for just ONE day?? Let us diehard Texans revel in their loss!! It's OUR RIGHT ya know. This is a TEXAN MESSAGE BOARD!!!:zipit:

Texans#1Fan
01-17-2010, 04:57 PM
How come is this guy being able to write something like this in the houston paper? This is not right! This guys should of been fired a long time ago. McNair is a better owner than Jones. McNair doesn't hire players with big egos that destroys the team. Kub's is a good coach and the Texans are improving each and every year. The teams did not want to play the texans in the playoffs this year. thats saying something. We are a good team and I think if the cowboys played us this year we would win that game. Jones is a horrible owner. Everyone thinks the cowboys are a good team. If they were a good team then why did they lose to the vikings and a 40 year old QB? All I can say is way to go Favre!!!

houstonspartan
01-17-2010, 05:27 PM
Agreed. I thought Justice was pretty spot on. I've always hated the Cowboys and always will, but Jerry has a much stronger passion for winning than Mcnair does. The Cowboys have been much more successful the last 5 years than the Texans have been as well and I won't even count the first few years of expansion. Most of our fans are stoked to be 9-7 even though is was a very disappointing season where we should have been in the playoffs. Until the majority of Texans fans demand more from our team and the team's management or the HC staff and team delivers and over achieves instead of under achieves, the Cowboys will be the bigger hit in Texas. As of right now they are. Hopefully that changes starting next season.

Yep. McNair needs a little bit of Jerry Jones in him, and Kubiak needs a little bit of Bill Bellecheck.

worldlyman
01-17-2010, 06:43 PM
Agreed. I thought Justice was pretty spot on. I've always hated the Cowboys and always will, but Jerry has a much stronger passion for winning than Mcnair does. The Cowboys have been much more successful the last 5 years than the Texans have been as well and I won't even count the first few years of expansion. Most of our fans are stoked to be 9-7 even though is was a very disappointing season where we should have been in the playoffs. Until the majority of Texans fans demand more from our team and the team's management or the HC staff and team delivers and over achieves instead of under achieves, the Cowboys will be the bigger hit in Texas. As of right now they are. Hopefully that changes starting next season.

I don't think most fans are "stoked" to be 9-7. Sure it was a nice feeling after the Pats game. It is what it is in the SHORT history of our Houston Texans, a franchise not even a decade old but moving in the right direction.

It's disappointing they didn't get in the playoffs nonetheless they accomplished things this year that they never did before: a QB tops in passing yards, WR tops in receiving yards, a TE who was tops in receiving before a season-ender, a Defensive ROY, a defense that shot up to about 13 in rank, least dropped passes in the NFL...and first winning season ever.

It points well to the future. These Texans may have dropped or missed some balls this year...but no one can deny they they still worked hard all year except the Jets game.

And the Cowboys...eh, they're simply an opponent on the Texans schedule next season.

The Dallas Cowboys of now are rooted to what Bill Parcells' administration started in 2003. They've been a steady enough ship since late 2006. And that's the year that Gary Kubiak took over an absolute train wreck, and in his 4th season, finally accomplished a winning season...with loads of hope for the near future.

There's no reason to throw our improving Texans under the bus on account of some glamor franchise that's been around for a half century.

houstonspartan
01-17-2010, 07:14 PM
I don't think most fans are "stoked" to be 9-7. Sure it was a nice feeling after the Pats game. It is what it is in the SHORT history of our Houston Texans, a franchise not even a decade old but moving in the right direction.

It's disappointing they didn't get in the playoffs nonetheless they accomplished things this year that they never did before: a QB tops in passing yards, WR tops in receiving yards, a TE who was tops in receiving before a season-ender, a Defensive ROY, a defense that shot up to about 13 in rank, least dropped passes in the NFL...and first winning season ever.

It points well to the future. These Texans may have dropped or missed some balls this year...but no one can deny they they still worked hard all year except the Jets game.

And the Cowboys...eh, they're simply an opponent on the Texans schedule next season.

The Dallas Cowboys of now are rooted to what Bill Parcells' administration started in 2003. They've been a steady enough ship since late 2006. And that's the year that Gary Kubiak took over an absolute train wreck, and in his 4th season, finally accomplished a winning season...with loads of hope for the near future.

There's no reason to throw our improving Texans under the bus on account of some glamor franchise that's been around for a half century.

You are massively understating what occurred this season. This team waaaaay underachieved.

I agree with you that, of course, the team is headed in the right direction, and that we have made baby steps every year. But at some point, the training wheels have to come off and the kid has to ride the bike by himself. When are we going to stop accepting this middle-of-the-road performance and start demanding excellence?

For some strange reason, a lot of fans think it's ok that it's taking Gary four or five years to do what it takes a lot of coaches three or four years to do (or, in the case of Rex Ryan, about nine monts).

Kubiak BARELY deserves a fifth year, and people are clamouring for him to get an extension, even though he has not earned it. We were talking about the Dallas Cowboys. Guess what? Wade Phillips took his team into the second round of the playoffs, and Jerry Jones STILL HAS NOT AGREED TO EXTEND HIM. (At least not tonight. He may tomorrow).

Everyone is saying, "Gary needs an extension because it'll be a distraction for the players next year if he doesn't get one."

So? Make him, and the players, sweat it out next year. Somehow, the Cowboys were able to eek out enough energy to get to playoffs while their coach was hanging in the wind. If the Texans players love him SO much, they will play for him and get him that extension.

I agree with what Tex and a few others have said: Throwing a parade for a 9-7 record is kind of weak.

I'm tired of the "Gary is a nice guy" bullshit. Yes, he is. But it's time for him to stop being coddled and time for some accountablity.

Silver Oak
01-17-2010, 07:56 PM
Throwing a parade for a 9-7 record is kind of weak.

I'm tired of the "Gary is a nice guy" bullshit. Yes, he is. But it's time for him to stop being coddled and time for some accountablity.

where was this parade you speak of?


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gary
01-17-2010, 08:42 PM
where was this parade you speak of?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhy wasn't I informed about this?

Second Honeymoon
01-17-2010, 08:50 PM
Doesn't make sense.

he is either A. trying to show that he is cool cause he has an Iphone.

or B. too much of a n00b to know how to disable the auto-signature on his app. :)

but i don't want to hate on him too bad because i am a proud iphone user too. i just don't post on TT with it or have it in my signature that I am posting from an iphone.

Second Honeymoon
01-17-2010, 08:52 PM
Geeeezzzz! Can't all our closet Cowboy fans go away for just ONE day?? Let us diehard Texans revel in their loss!! It's OUR RIGHT ya know. This is a TEXAN MESSAGE BOARD!!!:zipit:

you are better than that SheTexan. to revel in another team's demise when your own team is irrelevant and wasn't in the picture to begin with is kinda wack. to each his own but I was pulling for the Pokes, its a Texas thing with me though. I root for all things Texan except maybe the Spurs but I am not going to revel in their defeat.

FirstTexansFan
01-17-2010, 08:58 PM
Sorry, but as a Texan fan who is surrounded by fans of that team in Arlington, I can attest to their ability to reach new heights in asshatness. Anytime I can pull against them and rub it in the faces of those atrocious fans, I will take it. Irregardless of how insignificant some might believe my team to be... F the boyz and their fans :)

steelbtexan
01-17-2010, 09:08 PM
you are better than that SheTexan. to revel in another team's demise when your own team is irrelevant and wasn't in the picture to begin with is kinda wack. to each his own but I was pulling for the Pokes, its a Texas thing with me though. I root for all things Texan except maybe the Spurs but I am not going to revel in their defeat.

This

Silver Oak
01-17-2010, 09:14 PM
he is either A. trying to show that he is cool cause he has an Iphone.

or B. too much of a n00b to know how to disable the auto-signature on his app. :)

but i don't want to hate on him too bad because i am a proud iphone user too. i just don't post on TT with it or have it in my signature that I am posting from an iphone.

most people I know use a smart phone sig to let people know they are:

a) not in the office and are mobile
b) forgive for brevity and possible typos

please...carry on with your form of ignorance.

gary
01-17-2010, 09:21 PM
Should the tittle of the thread be changed to SH and Sliver Oak stiring the pot now? LOL, J/K.

worldlyman
01-17-2010, 09:28 PM
You are massively understating what occurred this season. This team waaaaay underachieved.

I agree with you that, of course, the team is headed in the right direction, and that we have made baby steps every year. But at some point, the training wheels have to come off and the kid has to ride the bike by himself. When are we going to stop accepting this middle-of-the-road performance and start demanding excellence?

For some strange reason, a lot of fans think it's ok that it's taking Gary four or five years to do what it takes a lot of coaches three or four years to do (or, in the case of Rex Ryan, about nine monts).

Kubiak BARELY deserves a fifth year, and people are clamouring for him to get an extension, even though he has not earned it. We were talking about the Dallas Cowboys. Guess what? Wade Phillips took his team into the second round of the playoffs, and Jerry Jones STILL HAS NOT AGREED TO EXTEND HIM. (At least not tonight. He may tomorrow).

Everyone is saying, "Gary needs an extension because it'll be a distraction for the players next year if he doesn't get one."

So? Make him, and the players, sweat it out next year. Somehow, the Cowboys were able to eek out enough energy to get to playoffs while their coach was hanging in the wind. If the Texans players love him SO much, they will play for him and get him that extension.

I agree with what Tex and a few others have said: Throwing a parade for a 9-7 record is kind of weak.

I'm tired of the "Gary is a nice guy" bullshit. Yes, he is. But it's time for him to stop being coddled and time for some accountablity.

To be honest, the Texans, did underachieve, if looked at one way. But not so much "waaaaay." What's the understatement? (And we might wonder how much the Colts and Cowboys would have well-achieved if Dallas Clark and Jason Witten went down for the year in mid-season. I still marvel how the Texans offense still scrapped as well as they could without a crucial offensive piece like Owen Daniels; never underestimate the TE importance when the running game is suffering.)

The negative side of the overall performances by the 2009-2010 Houston Texans, if we can beat this like a dead horse, came down to last second missed field goals, a last second dropped goal line fumble and last second inability to punch it in at the goal line. I venture to guess, that if the Texans made these fine hair plays and gone into 4 overtime games, I figure they would have won ONE of those games at least and would have been in the playoffs. And the naysayer negative nellies would still, ah, who knows.

Again, under Gary Kubiak, the Texans put SUPREME EFFORT this year, even with some bonehead plays and miscues.

What did coaching have to do with those gaffs by the players? Owner McNair is right. In those circumstances, the players HAVE TO make plays.

We should not give a rat's behind what Wade Phillips or Rex Ryan did. They could very well hit bottom next year.

Exhibit A: Atlanta Falcons coach Mike Smith. 11-5 last year, playoffs his first year. This year, nada.

And as noted, Wade Phillips INHERITED a team essentially built by Bill Parcells. Gary Kubiak had to RE-BUILD from the BOTTOM. I wonder why this is so hard to grasp.

So I look at the big picture. Gary has this team built for the long haul. His defense may not be as solidly tooled as the Jets...but hey, from 32 to 13 in rank...I don't believe Gary Kubiak his 1st choice DC, Frank Bush, are a problem at this point. Kubiak should get an extension.

ESAD2-14
01-17-2010, 09:58 PM
Should the tittle of the thread be changed to SH and Sliver Oak stiring the pot now? LOL, J/K.

I think this smiley should be the title. :slapfight:

gary
01-17-2010, 10:05 PM
I think this smiley should be the title. :slapfight:Or this.:stirpot::stirpot:

TD
01-17-2010, 11:49 PM
you are better than that SheTexan. to revel in another team's demise when your own team is irrelevant and wasn't in the picture to begin with is kinda wack. to each his own but I was pulling for the Pokes, its a Texas thing with me though. I root for all things Texan except maybe the Spurs but I am not going to revel in their defeat.

That's OK...several of us are doing enough reveling to more than cover for you. :)

StarStruck
01-18-2010, 01:26 AM
After reading some of the comments...I think some folks are only Texans season ticket holders because:

A- They live in Houston and don't want to move to the same city as their fav team
B- They can't think of anything else to do with their money
C- Don't want to spend the money to become season ticket holders and travel to their real fav team

It is just very interesting to me.....off to work on my pfufa application.

A. I live in Houston, and have no plans to relocate. Since I am a Cowboys fan #1, and an avid football fan #2, I thought it would be great to go to games in the city that I live. I was a fan of the Oilers as well and was quite disappointed when they moved to another city. When we had an opportunity to vote on getting a new stadium, I thought it was awesome and was quite disappointed in the number of Houstonians who were against it. To follow that, when it was announced that we would have a team in Houston I made a commitment to be a part of the reality by purchasing a PSL.
B. Not really. I like the Rockets, but not as much as I do football.
C. I am a season ticket holder of my real fav team. I do travel, but since I'm still employed, Sunday and Monday night games pose a challenge.

I don't read many sports columns in the Chronicle and was not that familiar with Richard Justice's column. I do read DMN and some of their columns have been quite critical of the Cowboys. I tend to read both, but I'm somewhat wired for a good challenge especially if they know what they are talking about and if they don't great comic relief.

Texecutioner
01-18-2010, 01:48 AM
I don't think most fans are "stoked" to be 9-7. Sure it was a nice feeling after the Pats game. It is what it is in the SHORT history of our Houston Texans, a franchise not even a decade old but moving in the right direction.

It's disappointing they didn't get in the playoffs nonetheless they accomplished things this year that they never did before: a QB tops in passing yards, WR tops in receiving yards, a TE who was tops in receiving before a season-ender, a Defensive ROY, a defense that shot up to about 13 in rank, least dropped passes in the NFL...and first winning season ever.

It points well to the future. These Texans may have dropped or missed some balls this year...but no one can deny they they still worked hard all year except the Jets game.

And the Cowboys...eh, they're simply an opponent on the Texans schedule next season.

The Dallas Cowboys of now are rooted to what Bill Parcells' administration started in 2003. They've been a steady enough ship since late 2006. And that's the year that Gary Kubiak took over an absolute train wreck, and in his 4th season, finally accomplished a winning season...with loads of hope for the near future.

There's no reason to throw our improving Texans under the bus on account of some glamor franchise that's been around for a half century.

I did not throw the Texans under the bus at all. I simply spoke the truth about what Justice's article was about and what happened this season if you compare both teams. It's not hard math here either. The Cowboys have been to the post season the last 3 out of 4 seasons while the Texans just barely got their first winning season this year. The Cowboys had the best record in the NFC two years ago as well while we had our first 8-8 season and we're still right there at 8-8 while they're back in the playoffs. I mean, there is no way to argue who the bigger "hit" is as a franchise regardless of who you're a fan of. Fans across the United States don't even hardly think about the Texans, because we've yet to do anything relevant at this point and we under achieved this season a lot and I hear other team's fans tell me that all the time and I agree with them. Hopefully all of that changes starting next season. I'll be rooting for that, but I won't hide from the truth or be in denial just because of a team I root for and support. It is what it is.

Craig.
01-18-2010, 09:28 AM
It is just very interesting to me.....off to work on my pfufa application.

Don't forget this part in the app.

Also, it is not necessary for possible draftees to dress up in costumes or outfits. Instead, we are looking for fans who passionately represent their team, BUT who will also respect another fan that passionately roots for another team.

HOU-TEX
01-18-2010, 10:00 AM
It's now officially the off-season. :gun:

TD
01-18-2010, 10:02 AM
It's now officially the off-season. :gun:

Not quite....I still want the Jets to beat the Colts. I could snack on that little piece of irony all the way to September. :chef:

HOU-TEX
01-18-2010, 10:09 AM
Not quite....I still want the Jets to beat the Colts. I could snack on that little piece of irony all the way to September. :chef:

Yes, there's still a little bit of football left, but I was meaning off-season for the MB. You know, meaningless debates over something you can't control started by the local hack.

I dislike anything NY and I don't like the Colts, so I'm kinda in a pickle on who to root for in that game. Either way, It looks like I'll be rooting for the NFC in the Bowl. I can't remember if I've ever done that.

houstonspartan
01-18-2010, 10:25 AM
To be honest, the Texans, did underachieve, if looked at one way. But not so much "waaaaay." What's the understatement? (And we might wonder how much the Colts and Cowboys would have well-achieved if Dallas Clark and Jason Witten went down for the year in mid-season. I still marvel how the Texans offense still scrapped as well as they could without a crucial offensive piece like Owen Daniels; never underestimate the TE importance when the running game is suffering.)

The negative side of the overall performances by the 2009-2010 Houston Texans, if we can beat this like a dead horse, came down to last second missed field goals, a last second dropped goal line fumble and last second inability to punch it in at the goal line. I venture to guess, that if the Texans made these fine hair plays and gone into 4 overtime games, I figure they would have won ONE of those games at least and would have been in the playoffs. And the naysayer negative nellies would still, ah, who knows.

Again, under Gary Kubiak, the Texans put SUPREME EFFORT this year, even with some bonehead plays and miscues.

What did coaching have to do with those gaffs by the players? Owner McNair is right. In those circumstances, the players HAVE TO make plays.

We should not give a rat's behind what Wade Phillips or Rex Ryan did. They could very well hit bottom next year.

Exhibit A: Atlanta Falcons coach Mike Smith. 11-5 last year, playoffs his first year. This year, nada.

And as noted, Wade Phillips INHERITED a team essentially built by Bill Parcells. Gary Kubiak had to RE-BUILD from the BOTTOM. I wonder why this is so hard to grasp.

So I look at the big picture. Gary has this team built for the long haul. His defense may not be as solidly tooled as the Jets...but hey, from 32 to 13 in rank...I don't believe Gary Kubiak his 1st choice DC, Frank Bush, are a problem at this point. Kubiak should get an extension.

Uh, ok. Let's tackle the "it's the players fault for not making plays" argument.

Sure, it's ultimately up to the players. But, when those players do not perform, it is up to the coach to deal with that situation.

I have two names for you: 1) Kris Brown. 2) Chris Brown.

These two kept screwing up over and over and over and over again. Between the two of them they cost us three or four games. So what did Gary do? Nothing. He kept going with them as if nothing was wrong, as if this were 8th grade and this was pee wee football.

Gary is the head coach. He could have snapped his fingers and gotten a new kicker in less than a day or two. After the Monday night game, he could have had a new kicker in the locker room by Thursday. But, he didn't want to hurt Kris's feelings, so he kept going with him. You see where they got us.

As you said, we don't want to beat a dead horse, but, this teams issues are all about coaching.

infantrycak
01-18-2010, 10:35 AM
As you said, we don't want to beat a dead horse, but, this teams issues are all about coaching.

And there is your perspective problem. This team's issues aren't all about any one thing.

Trying to paint every issue as all on the players or all on the coaches is weak either way.

gary
01-18-2010, 10:41 AM
I just want to say that I don't think any of us had a party over a winning record but overall team sprite wise it's better than an 8-8 record for them going into next season. Yes, I am sure we'd all agree on that. Right?

gary
01-18-2010, 11:00 AM
Uh, ok. Let's tackle the "it's the players fault for not making plays" argument.

Sure, it's ultimately up to the players. But, when those players do not perform, it is up to the coach to deal with that situation.

I have two names for you: 1) Kris Brown. 2) Chris Brown.

These two kept screwing up over and over and over and over again. Between the two of them they cost us three or four games. So what did Gary do? Nothing. He kept going with them as if nothing was wrong, as if this were 8th grade and this was pee wee football.

Gary is the head coach. He could have snapped his fingers and gotten a new kicker in less than a day or two. After the Monday night game, he could have had a new kicker in the locker room by Thursday. But, he didn't want to hurt Kris's feelings, so he kept going with him. You see where they got us.

As you said, we don't want to beat a dead horse, but, this teams issues are all about coaching.All three RB's were having problems. Take a kicker who is paid but has not produced they were both drafted to play. I don't see who you turn to mid season like that when everyone is sucking at the time.

Malloy
01-18-2010, 11:32 AM
There is no way I want Bob to be like Jerry Jones. He is a Way Better Owner and does not have to be always in the spotlight with the team. Bob is a patient man who has a good thing going and he know people will come and go but when he has the team on top Everyone and thier mother will be on the Wagon. You will even get the Closet Cowboy Fans Back.


Justice can Kiss My Ass adn I am going over there to tell his ass

woop woop, ditto! ;)

TimeKiller
01-18-2010, 11:48 AM
7 freaking pages. I'm not going to read the damn Justice article, I don't care how many pages you guys go through. Just here to express my displeasure with his continued employment. Carry on.

TD
01-18-2010, 12:00 PM
I wonder what Justice's columns (and this board) would have read like with the exact same season, but the NYJ loses one of its last two games.

Joe Texan
01-18-2010, 12:20 PM
you are better than that SheTexan. to revel in another team's demise when your own team is irrelevant and wasn't in the picture to begin with is kinda wack. to each his own but I was pulling for the Pokes, its a Texas thing with me though. I root for all things Texan except maybe the Spurs but I am not going to revel in their defeat.


Dude I know your a Cowboy Jerry Jones suck ass now, And I will also tell you when you go up against Grandma you take on all of this board that was here before your Cowboy loving Ass even knew this board existed. You go ahead and hate on the Texans and Keep up your Cowboy Drivel with your lust to get inside Jerry Jones Pants but you leave Grandma alone or you will never hear the end of it. You Guys want to agree with an ***** that said
YOU WOULD TRADE BOB FOR JERRY PERIOD, he did not ask he flat out told Us in Houston that we would love Jerry and Hate Bob if we had the chance. I will tell him personally that you bone heads that defend him will gladly eat the crust out of his underwaer but I and I know Grandma would never let him finish a speach with out Praising our Texans While Making sure he heard and knew how we felt about Jerry' s Kids.

Texecutioner
01-18-2010, 12:39 PM
And there is your perspective problem. This team's issues aren't all about any one thing.

Trying to paint every issue as all on the players or all on the coaches is weak either way.

Chris Brown the RB shouldn't have even been on the team, much less been the short yardage back or the guy that got those crucial carries at the end of games. Even after he failed so many times, Kubes kept giving him opportunities at crucial moments where the team's chances relied on him. That was just horrible personal decisions from the jump that hurt the team and put 3 losses in the L column. Sure players like Brown messed up, but the point that Spartan was making is that he should have never had the opportunity in the first place and Kubes should have known that. 1 time of that mistake was bad. Two times was horrible. The 3rd time was inexcusable and unforgettable.

HoustonFrog
01-18-2010, 12:45 PM
Dude I know your a Cowboy Jerry Jones suck ass now, And I will also tell you when you go up against Grandma you take on all of this board that was here before your Cowboy loving Ass even knew this board existed. You go ahead and hate on the Texans and Keep up your Cowboy Drivel with your lust to get inside Jerry Jones Pants but you leave Grandma alone or you will never hear the end of it. You Guys want to agree with an ***** that said
YOU WOULD TRADE BOB FOR JERRY PERIOD, he did not ask he flat out told Us in Houston that we would love Jerry and Hate Bob if we had the chance. I will tell him personally that you bone heads that defend him will gladly eat the crust out of his underwaer but I and I know Grandma would never let him finish a speach with out Praising our Texans While Making sure he heard and knew how we felt about Jerry' s Kids.

Therein lies the difference between you and most rational people in the world. He never said you would hate McNair. He said you would chose Jerry because of his success. Many people find it pretty silly to hate a person just because they own another team. It isn't like he is Bud and took the team.

WWJD
01-18-2010, 12:59 PM
This thread has gotten WAY too personal.

Texecutioner
01-18-2010, 01:07 PM
Dude I know your a Cowboy Jerry Jones suck ass now, And I will also tell you when you go up against Grandma you take on all of this board that was here before your Cowboy loving Ass even knew this board existed. You go ahead and hate on the Texans and Keep up your Cowboy Drivel with your lust to get inside Jerry Jones Pants but you leave Grandma alone or you will never hear the end of it. You Guys want to agree with an ***** that said
YOU WOULD TRADE BOB FOR JERRY PERIOD, he did not ask he flat out told Us in Houston that we would love Jerry and Hate Bob if we had the chance. I will tell him personally that you bone heads that defend him will gladly eat the crust out of his underwaer but I and I know Grandma would never let him finish a speach with out Praising our Texans While Making sure he heard and knew how we felt about Jerry' s Kids.

WTF? Come on Joe. Lighten up bud. It isn't that serious.

ObsiWan
01-18-2010, 01:24 PM
he is either A. trying to show that he is cool cause he has an Iphone.

or B. too much of a n00b to know how to disable the auto-signature on his app. :)

but i don't want to hate on him too bad because i am a proud iphone user too. i just don't post on TT with it or have it in my signature that I am posting from an iphone.

I don't get your point? ...what's wrong with using whatever tech you have to access the msg board? I've used my BlackBerry from training camp to post the goings-on. It's the Twenty-First Century for goodness sakes. If someone is techno-savvy enough to post on the go, good for them.

Back to topic...
The fact that this thread is 9 pages long means Justice got what he wanted... fan reaction.
Like it or not, this time Justice won.

Joe Texan
01-18-2010, 01:35 PM
I am Lightened up but Justice Sucks and anyone who Sucks Justice is a nomrod

Texecutioner
01-18-2010, 01:44 PM
I am Lightened up but Justice Sucks and anyone who Sucks Justice is a nomrod

I think we need to arrange a "sit down" between you and Justice Joe. Let you two guys debate and counter each other over the Texans and the Cowboys. Now that would be hilarious. Lol!

I know you're down. :pirate:

Pollardized
01-18-2010, 01:53 PM
http://www.dailyraider.com/features/iwantanotherrodneyking/rodneyking.jpg

Can't we all just get along????

BIG TORO
01-18-2010, 02:14 PM
I think we should write the chronicle and make them send Justice to Dallas where he belongs. There are alot of teams who did better than us in the last 5 years but who gives a sh-t. We are here in Houston Texas, do I want us to do better h-ll yea, but we are not and we are still fans and our own paper talking sh-t on us while polishing jerry's nob is disrespectful and bull sh-t!

GuerillaBlack
01-18-2010, 02:34 PM
I just want to say that I don't think any of us had a party over a winning record but overall team sprite wise it's better than an 8-8 record for them going into next season. Yes, I am sure we'd all agree on that. Right?

I'd have rather they went 8-8 and had Cowher as our new coach. That didn't happen though.

All three RB's were having problems. Take a kicker who is paid but has not produced they were both drafted to play. I don't see who you turn to mid season like that when everyone is sucking at the time.

But when they can't play anymore, you cut him. We should have had a new kicker after the MNF game...no question. Kubiak should not have started Chris Brown in that Tennessee game. This isn't a Disney movie, Kubes. Brown was not going to get revenge on his former team.

Joe Texan
01-18-2010, 04:45 PM
Give me a time and date

houstonspartan
01-18-2010, 05:22 PM
I'd have rather they went 8-8 and had Cowher as our new coach. That didn't happen though.



But when they can't play anymore, you cut him. We should have had a new kicker after the MNF game...no question. Kubiak should not have started Chris Brown in that Tennessee game. This isn't a Disney movie, Kubes. Brown was not going to get revenge on his former team.

LOL!!! You just made my day with that one.

Texan_Bill
01-18-2010, 05:27 PM
If Jerry is in charge of the draft, that means he's responsible for drafting the likes of Quincy Carter and Roy Williams (no not that Roy Williams - OU Roy Williams).

:lol:

gary
01-18-2010, 06:56 PM
I'd have rather they went 8-8 and had Cowher as our new coach. That didn't happen though.



But when they can't play anymore, you cut him. We should have had a new kicker after the MNF game...no question. Kubiak should not have started Chris Brown in that Tennessee game. This isn't a Disney movie, Kubes. Brown was not going to get revenge on his former team.I am not so sure 8-8 would have gotten Gary fired and now is a better time to cut players IMO.

Second Honeymoon
01-18-2010, 07:36 PM
If Jerry is in charge of the draft, that means he's responsible for drafting the likes of Quincy Carter and Roy Williams (no not that Roy Williams - OU Roy Williams).

:lol:

haha. i forgot about Quincy's selection. That was a major reach, too. 2nd Round pick for UFA talent. OU Roy was a pretty damn good player but obviously not worth where they took him. He made some big hits but he was toast in the secondary once team's recognized his inability to play coverage.

Goldensilence
01-18-2010, 08:58 PM
9 pages on a Justice thread?

Damnit people, stop clicking on his links, stories, whatever drivel he gets out into print somehow.

Richard Justice is like a bad case of poison ivy, the sooner you stop scratching it, the sooner it will go away.

m5kwatts
01-18-2010, 11:53 PM
9 pages on a Justice thread?

Damnit people, stop clicking on his links, stories, whatever drivel he gets out into print somehow.

Richard Justice is like a bad case of poison ivy, the sooner you stop scratching it, the sooner it will go away.

A bad case of poison ivy? More like a raging case of bleeding ass herpes dipped in lemonade.

SheTexan
01-19-2010, 09:33 AM
you are better than that SheTexan. to revel in another team's demise when your own team is irrelevant and wasn't in the picture to begin with is kinda wack. to each his own but I was pulling for the Pokes, its a Texas thing with me though. I root for all things Texan except maybe the Spurs but I am not going to revel in their defeat.

I'm no phony SH. I'm perfectly happy knowing the Cowboys, and their fans, will be watching the rest of the playoff at home, just like me. I accepted the fate of my team a long time ago, and live with the heat and sarcasm caused by their demise on a daily basis, mostly from Cowboy fans. Such is life of a football fan. If ya can't take the heat, don't have a favorite team you pull for. To pull for a team just because they are from the State of Texas is pretty lame, IMHO. I've hated the Cowboys for the better part of 50 yrs, I'm not gonna stop now. My dislike for that team has NOTHING to do with my passion for the Texans. SO, if I'm "wack" because of it, then so be it.

JT
01-19-2010, 09:44 AM
I am Lightened up but Justice Sucks and anyone who Sucks Justice is a nomrod

Seriously dude?! Not of fan of the holier than thou attitude...when you make a post you are certain to get a post back...no matter if your that grandma or like you "here from the begining" I am God schmoe.

record
01-19-2010, 10:00 AM
I stopped clicking on links from Justice that were Texans related a long time ago mainly due to him constantly contradicting himself from article to article and his overall mean spiritness towards the Texans, their GM in particular. I can't believe this many die hard Texans fans, 9 pages worth of replies, still read the man. When it comes to writing about football and the Texans, he isn't a very good journalist w/ little integrity. You guys didn't realize that long ago? He is knowledgable about the Astros and baseball and I do occassionally read his articles about them, but football no.

SheTexan
01-19-2010, 10:33 AM
I stopped clicking on links from Justice that were Texans related a long time ago mainly due to him constantly contradicting himself from article to article and his overall mean spiritness towards the Texans, their GM in particular. I can't believe this many die hard Texans fans, 9 pages worth of replies, still read the man. When it comes to writing about football and the Texans, he isn't a very good journalist w/ little integrity. You guys didn't realize that long ago? He is knowledgable about the Astros and baseball and I do occassionally read his articles about them, but football no.

Go back and read the entire 9 pages. Not everyone reads his crap. It's nine pages of opinions on the man, not nine pages of fans claiming they read the drivel he writes.

b0ng
01-19-2010, 10:50 AM
Everytime I see this thread title I think it says

"Justice is smoking the pot again"

Of course, that could be indicative of other things :uchicken: <---what on earth is this?

HuttoKarl
01-19-2010, 11:11 AM
Jerry Jones got NOTHING out of their draft last year. They've got residual Parcells talent and some of that is fading towards retirement. They have to hop to plug all their holes via draft because they won't be able to add FA's unless they lose FA's, and the Boys don't really have a whole lot coming off their books.

McNair's doing it right...although it's seemingly really slow.

GuerillaBlack
01-19-2010, 12:32 PM
I am not so sure 8-8 would have gotten Gary fired and now is a better time to cut players IMO.

Bad kickers can be cut anytime.

Thorn
01-19-2010, 12:49 PM
This thread has gotten WAY too personal.

I'm the only one on this board with all the right opinions. It is plainly obvious that everyone else has the WRONG idea of things and all of you are complete *********s and should listen to me, because I'm always right.

So there. That should take care of things. :)

The off season. It's upon us all like Houston humidity and bad TV. LOL

WWJD
01-19-2010, 12:59 PM
Jerry Jones got NOTHING out of their draft last year. They've got residual Parcells talent and some of that is fading towards retirement. They have to hop to plug all their holes via draft because they won't be able to add FA's unless they lose FA's, and the Boys don't really have a whole lot coming off their books.

McNair's doing it right...although it's seemingly really slow.

Buehler..lead the league in touchbacks. He was about it this year.

Most of their draft choices were hurt. Don't get what you mean by they can't add FA's with losing FA's. Huh?

WWJD
01-19-2010, 01:02 PM
I'm the only one on this board with all the right opinions. It is plainly obvious that everyone else has the WRONG idea of things and all of you are complete *********s and should listen to me, because I'm always right.

So there. That should take care of things. :)

The off season. It's upon us all like Houston humidity and bad TV. LOL

I have a delicate nature..the namecalling gets to me. Sports sure gets personal doesn't it?

I don't remember it being as bad as it is nowadays. Over saturated media feeds the flames and people just get ALL riled up!

dalemurphy
01-19-2010, 01:11 PM
Buehler..lead the league in touchbacks. He was about it this year.

Most of their draft choices were hurt. Don't get what you mean by they can't add FA's with losing FA's. Huh?

Under the 2010 rules without a collective bargaining agreement, the top 8 teams can not sign free agents over $4.9 million per year unless another such player was signed away from their team.

HuttoKarl
01-19-2010, 01:11 PM
Buehler..lead the league in touchbacks. He was about it this year.

Most of their draft choices were hurt. Don't get what you mean by they can't add FA's with losing FA's. Huh?



http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80864e15&template=with-video&confirm=true

Playoff restrictions

If the league gets to the point of an uncapped year, people are afraid that deep-pocket owners such as Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder will come in and buy a championship. If the aggressive owners already have playoff teams, there will be restrictions on how much money they can spend. The formula may slide with the number of players they lose in free agency, but the plan is designed to not let teams buy a championship. The truth is, the first two triggers aren't going to leave too many players available to acquire anyway.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d808736ba&template=with-video&confirm=true

The rule will restrict the final eight teams in the playoffs from signing free agents. The final four teams shall not be permitted to negotiate and sign any unrestricted free agent to a player contract except for players who acquired their status by being cut or were on the final four team when their contract expired. Playoff teams five thru eight get a break to sign one player with a salary of $4,925,000 or more and any number of players with a first-year salary of no more than $3,275,000 and an annual increase of no more than 30 percent in the following years.

There is a mechanism to permit the final eight teams to sign an unrestricted free agent for each one of their own unrestricted free agents who sign with another club as long as they don't spend more than what their own lost player received from his new club.

JB
01-19-2010, 01:12 PM
Buehler..lead the league in touchbacks. He was about it this year.

Most of their draft choices were hurt. Don't get what you mean by they can't add FA's with losing FA's. Huh?


If 2010 is uncapped, then playoff teams cannot sign any FA until they lose a FA from their team.

WWJD
01-19-2010, 01:15 PM
Okey dokey. Didn't know that. Thanks.

infantrycak
01-19-2010, 01:29 PM
If 2010 is uncapped, then playoff teams cannot sign any FA until they lose a FA from their team.

The last 8 teams in the playoffs are subject to this rule, not the 4 that left wildcard weekend.

JB
01-19-2010, 01:34 PM
The last 8 teams in the playoffs are subject to this rule, not the 4 that left wildcard weekend.

Yes, thanks for cleaning up my explanation. I should have made that clear.

brosef
01-19-2010, 05:28 PM
******* dick justice.

gary
01-19-2010, 09:02 PM
Bad kickers can be cut anytime.Right, but to go out a sign one of the other four or five kicker who have been costing their teams important playoff games. Where do you go from there? Just draft a long term kicker now it is time I agree.

HoustonFrog
01-20-2010, 09:26 AM
Jerry Jones got NOTHING out of their draft last year. They've got residual Parcells talent and some of that is fading towards retirement. They have to hop to plug all their holes via draft because they won't be able to add FA's unless they lose FA's, and the Boys don't really have a whole lot coming off their books.

McNair's doing it right...although it's seemingly really slow.

I wouldn't call Ware, Spencer, Felix Jones, Choice, Miles Austin, Romo, Ogletree, Scandrick, Jay Ratliff and Mike Jenkins(stud) heading towards retirement. All are young or like Romo, only a few years in to playing. All these guys are their base and core. So what you said is untrue.

As far as FAs, true

HuttoKarl
01-20-2010, 09:44 AM
I wouldn't call Ware, Spencer, Felix Jones, Choice, Miles Austin, Romo, Ogletree, Scandrick, Jay Ratliff and Mike Jenkins(stud) heading towards retirement. All are young or like Romo, only a few years in to playing. All these guys are their base and core. So what you said is untrue.

As far as FAs, true

"Some of that" is the operative phrase. And again...they're not Jones guys...they're Parcells guys for the most part.

HoustonFrog
01-20-2010, 09:53 AM
"Some of that" is the operative phrase. And again...they're not Jones guys...they're Parcells guys for the most part.

They're Jones guys in that he hired Parcells. As I've told people, you can't take Jerry in a vacuum and act like his ownership doesn't include Jimmy Johnson and Parcells. They were his two smartest hires. Yes, he isn't a great GM and he meddles. But he stepped back and let those guys do their job when they were hired. He gets credit for that in my book because they were his 2 best football moves. So I don't like splitting guys up. But overall the list I put up there includes all their best guys and their are pretty young. Guys like Terrence Newman aren't top notch in my book anymore. I have a story on him but another day.

IlliniJen
01-20-2010, 11:57 AM
Dick Justice = Skip Bayless's emotionally unstable retarded little brother.

HuttoKarl
01-20-2010, 12:28 PM
They're Jones guys in that he hired Parcells. As I've told people, you can't take Jerry in a vacuum and act like his ownership doesn't include Jimmy Johnson and Parcells. They were his two smartest hires. Yes, he isn't a great GM and he meddles. But he stepped back and let those guys do their job when they were hired. He gets credit for that in my book because they were his 2 best football moves. So I don't like splitting guys up. But overall the list I put up there includes all their best guys and their are pretty young. Guys like Terrence Newman aren't top notch in my book anymore. I have a story on him but another day.

Jerry let Parcells and Johnson handle the drafting. In drafts that Jones acted as GM, they got Quincy Carter types.

WWJD
01-20-2010, 12:59 PM
Jerry let Parcells and Johnson handle the drafting. In drafts that Jones acted as GM, they got Quincy Carter types.

And who can forget Bill's great choice of his friend's kid..Bobby Carpenter.

Think he was a first round choice.

High one anyway.

HuttoKarl
01-20-2010, 01:18 PM
And who can forget Bill's great choice of his friend's kid..Bobby Carpenter.

Think he was a first round choice.

High one anyway.

True, but much like Travis Johnson, Carpenter was expected to be a solid NFL player...if I remember correctly, he was taken about where mocks had him.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/bobby_carpenter.html

Bobby Carpenter LB 6í3 255 Ohio St.
By: Robert Davis

Bobby Carpenter is a part of arguably the best linebacking group in the country. He teams with A.J. Hawk and Anthony Schlegel to form the heart and soul of the Ohio St. team this season. As a sophomore in 2003, Carpenter played in a part time role, but still managed to finish the year with 37 tackles, 6.5 for loss, and 4.5 sacks. In his first year as a starter in 2004, he was in on more plays, tallying 93 tackles, 6.5 for loss, 2 sacks, and 3 interceptions. As a senior this past season, Carpenter tallied 49 tackles, 10.5 for loss, with eight sacks.

Carpenter is a jumbo linebacker at the college level. You do not see too many 250+ linebackers that are quick enough to play in space. But Carpenter can. He is a good athlete, moves around the field fluidly, and closes very well on the ball. He plays hard on the field, and does not shy away from contact. He is strong and can take on a block, get off and bring down the ball carrier.

There isnít much to not like about Carpenter. He may not be the 6í3 listed, but thatís being picky. Even though he is a good athlete, he does not always display it in coverage. He can have trouble when isolated in space. Carpenter will also need to have his ankle examined. His season ended early on in the Michigan game after breaking his ankle.

Bobby Carpenter doesnít have the upside of a lot of the linebackers in this draft, but he looks like a safe bet to be a solid NFL linebacker. As long as his ankle checks out fine - and it should - Carpenter will be a Day One selection and should move on to a successful NFL career.

WWJD
01-20-2010, 01:32 PM
True, but much like Travis Johnson, Carpenter was expected to be a solid NFL player...if I remember correctly, he was taken about where mocks had him.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/bobby_carpenter.html

Bobby Carpenter LB 6í3 255 Ohio St.
By: Robert Davis

Bobby Carpenter is a part of arguably the best linebacking group in the country. He teams with A.J. Hawk and Anthony Schlegel to form the heart and soul of the Ohio St. team this season. As a sophomore in 2003, Carpenter played in a part time role, but still managed to finish the year with 37 tackles, 6.5 for loss, and 4.5 sacks. In his first year as a starter in 2004, he was in on more plays, tallying 93 tackles, 6.5 for loss, 2 sacks, and 3 interceptions. As a senior this past season, Carpenter tallied 49 tackles, 10.5 for loss, with eight sacks.

Carpenter is a jumbo linebacker at the college level. You do not see too many 250+ linebackers that are quick enough to play in space. But Carpenter can. He is a good athlete, moves around the field fluidly, and closes very well on the ball. He plays hard on the field, and does not shy away from contact. He is strong and can take on a block, get off and bring down the ball carrier.

There isnít much to not like about Carpenter. He may not be the 6í3 listed, but thatís being picky. Even though he is a good athlete, he does not always display it in coverage. He can have trouble when isolated in space. Carpenter will also need to have his ankle examined. His season ended early on in the Michigan game after breaking his ankle.

Bobby Carpenter doesnít have the upside of a lot of the linebackers in this draft, but he looks like a safe bet to be a solid NFL linebacker. As long as his ankle checks out fine - and it should - Carpenter will be a Day One selection and should move on to a successful NFL career.

Can't you say that about alot of players? It's all a crap shot until they start playing in the NFL...

I'm still wondering how Bobby continues to get a roster spot every year. And Bill's long gone. I guess he practices well. Maybe he jumps high when they have drills.

HuttoKarl
01-20-2010, 01:39 PM
Can't you say that about alot of players? It's all a crap shot until they start playing in the NFL...

I'm still wondering how Bobby continues to get a roster spot every year. And Bill's long gone. I guess he practices well. Maybe he jumps high when they have drills.

You can definitely say that about any player. There's no "sure thing" in the draft. For every Peyton Manning, there's a dozen Couch, Bozworth or Mandarich-es.

I'm guessing they keep him around because he's probably a big cap hit if they outright ditch him.

HoustonFrog
01-20-2010, 01:40 PM
Jerry let Parcells and Johnson handle the drafting. In drafts that Jones acted as GM, they got Quincy Carter types.

Well everyone brings up Quincy Carter but forgets post Parcells that Jerry has moved around, gotten some extra picks and right now can take credit for Anthony Spencer, Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins, Tashard Choice, Orlanda Scandrich.

He also, post Jimmy drafted Larry Allen(hall of famer), Randal Godfrey, Dexter Coakley, Omar Stoutmire(7th), Greg Ellis, Flozell Adams, Dat Nguyen Roy Williams(who was considered a stud and played like one for a few years until coverage skills and horse collaring happened), Andre Gurode, Antonio Bryant.

Granted there were a ton of misses in those years. Alot more. Some full drafts were busts. Jerry isn't a stud GM. Not close. I'm just saying, the list above has some really nice players and some studs. Yet Quincy gets all the hype and not Larry Allen.

WWJD
01-20-2010, 01:42 PM
You can definitely say that about any player. There's no "sure thing" in the draft. For every Peyton Manning, there's a dozen Couch, Bozworth or Mandarich-es.

I'm guessing they keep him around because he's probably a big cap hit if they outright ditch him.

I THINK he's an ok special teams player. That's probably it.

He's always the one guy on the roster though that every fan picks out and says BUST! It's always Bobby.

WWJD
01-20-2010, 01:47 PM
Actually I'm starting to wonder if there are any "can't miss" players anymore?

Like this Suh guy...keep hearing that about him. He's a "can't miss"...well is he?

I saw him throw Colt around like a rag doll but what will he do in the NFL? Will he be able to do that?

I guess that's what makes the draft so interesting..guys like that.

HuttoKarl
01-20-2010, 05:19 PM
Actually I'm starting to wonder if there are any "can't miss" players anymore?

Like this Suh guy...keep hearing that about him. He's a "can't miss"...well is he?

I saw him throw Colt around like a rag doll but what will he do in the NFL? Will he be able to do that?

I guess that's what makes the draft so interesting..guys like that.

I remember a lot of us clamoring for the OT from Vandy that Chicago ended up with....he was a stud prospect everyone had very high expectations from...back injury and haven't heard anything about him since...no such thing as "can't miss".

WWJD
01-20-2010, 05:55 PM
I remember a lot of us clamoring for the OT from Vandy that Chicago ended up with....he was a stud prospect everyone had very high expectations from...back injury and haven't heard anything about him since...no such thing as "can't miss".

I remember all the talk about Robert Gallery but I don't know how well he plays for the Raiders.

I remember him grading out as a "can't miss" but then I know he hurt his leg or something.

Remember all the hype and he was maybe the 2nd pick that year?

The Pencil Neck
01-20-2010, 06:51 PM
I remember all the talk about Robert Gallery but I don't know how well he plays for the Raiders.

I remember him grading out as a "can't miss" but then I know he hurt his leg or something.

Remember all the hype and he was maybe the 2nd pick that year?

Busted as a tackle. Moved inside to guard.

WWJD
01-20-2010, 06:56 PM
And wasn't it Gallery that broke his leg or something major like that?

infantrycak
01-21-2010, 10:00 AM
And wasn't it Gallery that broke his leg or something major like that?

Not before he busted as a LT. He played his full first two seasons and couldn't beat out Matt Turk's older brother Barry Sims.