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Wolf6151
01-13-2010, 01:08 PM
I think we have needs at the following positions: CB, OG/C, FS, DT, RB, and then depth at SS and O-line. I think our teams 2 biggest needs are in the secondary and O-line. We haven't invested any high draft picks in the secondary in years or on the interior O-line. I think fixing the O-line will dramatically improve our running game and red zone/short yardage game. As these are our 2 biggest needs they should be addressed early and often. Unfortunately, reality says that the best players at a position of need aren't always available when you pick so you have to make compromises and fill a lesser need first, thus taking the best player available at a position of need. Example: 1st round, I'd love to have Joe Haden but he'll be gone by the 20th pick so we'll have to address other needs with top level talent or take someone else who's not as good at CB. Please keep this in mind while reading this mock draft.

1. Dan Williams-DT, I can't believe that I'm picking this guy either since I'm one of the guys who has repeatedly said we have to many high draft picks invested in the D-line and need to spread around that high level talent. Remember though that Joe Haden won't be available, there are no other CB's worth this high of a draft pick, this is a very deep year for FS/SS and can be had later as well, and good interior O-linemen can be had in later rounds. This guy is a stud DT/NT that we've never had, he'd take up 2 blockers and make Amobi Okoye much better. I really think this guy could complete our D-line. I think this guy would make Okam expendable though we'd still keep Cody and Robinson for depth. D-line:

Antonio Smith, Dan Williams, Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams

2. Nate Allen-FS, he's not on the elite level of Berry or Thomas but he's close and has lots of potential. This is a very deep Safety class so very good talent can be had after the 1st round. Paired with Pollard we'd have our Safety spots filled for years to come.

3. Mitch Petrus-OG, I'm actually not real picky about who we take at OG here, so long as we take the best available OG. It could be Mike Johnson, or Jon Asamoah but they'll probably be gone by this point in the draft.

4. Ben Tate-RB, he's very similar in size to Slaton but I think he's stronger and has good speed. He'd make Moats and Brown expendable. Sad though I really like Moats.

5. J.D. Walton-C, or Eric Olsen-C whoever is available. Hopefully he'd take Myers spot on the line within a year and add a little size to the C position and he and Caldwell would make Myers expendable.

6. Crezdon Butler-CB, this guy has fallen lately, not sure why though he was never real high on draft boards. He's got great speed and size.

6b. Larry Asante-SS, good speed and size, depth behind Pollard, and can't help but be better than Ferguson and Barber.

7. Zoltan Mesko-P, younger and cheaper than Turk and how many times are you going to get the chance to draft someone named Zoltan.

It's not perfect and I wish there were a way to get an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick in this draft. Any ideas? Opinions? Thanks.

badboy
01-13-2010, 01:22 PM
I think you have a solid G in Petrus in 3rd. Arkansas O is very complicated to learn and he has done well. Over all, I like your picks (mine are better, Haha)except we still don't have a power back. Foster looked good in minimum time but hate to put my eggs in one basket.

Goldensilence
01-13-2010, 01:44 PM
I think you have a solid G in Petrus in 3rd. Arkansas O is very complicated to learn and he has done well. Over all, I like your picks (mine are better, Haha)except we still don't have a power back. Foster looked good in minimum time but hate to put my eggs in one basket.

I don't think we need a power back as much as we need an OL that can get a push and create holes. If you have a line that can do both it's not as important who is running out of the backfield.

Far as the mock goes itself. I'd be pissed if we sunk another top pick in the DL, well unless it is Suh but, that ain't happening.

I think we're better off completing the other side of the line and getting our offense to a point where we can score at will through the air and grind games out with the running game.

IMO if Iupti is there at 19/20, which I'm sure he will be, try and trade back a few spots if possible if not take him then. Plug him in at either guard spot and Caldwell at the other it's less important that we have to wait for your 5th rounder Olsen or Walton (both whom i like) to replace Myers.

In the second round I'd prefer Burnett(if we're looking at safeties) if he's still there if not allen is suitable. Though if Gerhart is in the second I'd likely take him or best CB available.

My third pick would depend on who we took in the second and what position we address. I'd be tempted to address DT is Lamar Houston DT Texas is here. Fills what you're looking for with Williams but, not as high an investment. Could definitely go with your original pick in Petrus here and solidify our line for the forseeable future though.

Other then that I'd run with the rest of your draft.

Blake
01-13-2010, 02:21 PM
Looks like you hit all of our needs pretty well.

And I guess we could drop down out of the first if you wanted an extra 3rd this year.

Of course its all personal opinion, but I just cant sink another first round pick into the D-line. No matter how good I feel about Dan Williams. The Dline coaches better get some production out of who they have. And they have a ton of potential.

I am going to focus on the secondary in round 1 with a CB, or safety depending on if Robinson comes back. Mays or Thomas would be great picks.

Second round we can go DT with Marvin Austin, or RB with Best or Dwyer. But knowing the Texans they will wait till round 3/4 to get the RB they covet.

Good job though.

Wolf6151
01-13-2010, 06:46 PM
I don't think we need a power back as much as we need an OL that can get a push and create holes. If you have a line that can do both it's not as important who is running out of the backfield.

Far as the mock goes itself. I'd be pissed if we sunk another top pick in the DL, well unless it is Suh but, that ain't happening.

I think we're better off completing the other side of the line and getting our offense to a point where we can score at will through the air and grind games out with the running game.

IMO if Iupti is there at 19/20, which I'm sure he will be, try and trade back a few spots if possible if not take him then. Plug him in at either guard spot and Caldwell at the other it's less important that we have to wait for your 5th rounder Olsen or Walton (both whom i like) to replace Myers.

In the second round I'd prefer Burnett(if we're looking at safeties) if he's still there if not allen is suitable. Though if Gerhart is in the second I'd likely take him or best CB available.

My third pick would depend on who we took in the second and what position we address. I'd be tempted to address DT is Lamar Houston DT Texas is here. Fills what you're looking for with Williams but, not as high an investment. Could definitely go with your original pick in Petrus here and solidify our line for the forseeable future though.

Other then that I'd run with the rest of your draft.


I agree with you regarding a power RB, it's not necessarily a huge need. Also a power RB doesn't mean he has to be physically large, he just has to be strong and I think Tate fills that roll.

I understand your aversion to taking a DT in the 1st round but honestly I see him as best value available at a position of need. Williams will be a 1st round pick and the other CB's besides Haden would be a reach at 20.

I also like Burnett but I think he'll be gone in the early 2nd round and won't be available by the time we pick.

I like Iupati as well but not at #20, maybe if we traded down and picked up an extra 3rd. I like Petrus in the 3rd and that he and a FA OG should give us alot better O-line.

I also like Lamarr Houston but I think he'll be an DT/UT like Okoye and not a NT.

beerlover
01-13-2010, 07:40 PM
I have Dan Williams projected earlier. Great young two-gap tackles don't last long, with so many 3-4 teams in need using older &/or more expensive options.

mussop
01-14-2010, 12:32 AM
I have Dan Williams projected earlier. Great young two-gap tackles don't last long, with so many 3-4 teams in need using older &/or more expensive options.

If I had to bet on who we will pick at 20 my top 4 players are Spiller, Dwyer, Williams and Odrick. IMO RB and DT will be our focus early unless we fill those needs in FA.

steelbtexan
01-14-2010, 12:58 AM
If I had to bet on who we will pick at 20 my top 4 players are Spiller, Dwyer, Williams and Odrick. IMO RB and DT will be our focus early unless we fill those needs in FA.

Kubes said at his last presser fixing the run game would be a top priority.

His 2008 last presser he said getting playmakers on defense was a priority. Cushing,Barwin and Quin were drafted in rds 1,2 and 4.

I think out of the first 3 rds you will see a RB and a OL taken with 2 of those picks.

McNair spoke of this team needing more leadership. I hope he brings in one vet. OL and one vet DT to help lead the way.

whiskeyrbl
01-14-2010, 05:59 AM
In my first 3 rd's I would look at OG,FS and RB and hopefully it would fall this way

RD1 Iupati OG

RD2 Major Wright FS

RD3 Toby Gerhart RB

In FA I would target Richard Seymore DT and Tramon Williams CB( if we release Dunta).

badboy
01-14-2010, 09:39 AM
I don't think we need a power back as much as we need an OL that can get a push and create holes. If you have a line that can do both it's not as important who is running out of the backfield.

Far as the mock goes itself. I'd be pissed if we sunk another top pick in the DL, well unless it is Suh but, that ain't happening.

I think we're better off completing the other side of the line and getting our offense to a point where we can score at will through the air and grind games out with the running game.

IMO if Iupti is there at 19/20, which I'm sure he will be, try and trade back a few spots if possible if not take him then. Plug him in at either guard spot and Caldwell at the other it's less important that we have to wait for your 5th rounder Olsen or Walton (both whom i like) to replace Myers.

In the second round I'd prefer Burnett(if we're looking at safeties) if he's still there if not allen is suitable. Though if Gerhart is in the second I'd likely take him or best CB available.

My third pick would depend on who we took in the second and what position we address. I'd be tempted to address DT is Lamar Houston DT Texas is here. Fills what you're looking for with Williams but, not as high an investment. Could definitely go with your original pick in Petrus here and solidify our line for the forseeable future though.

Other then that I'd run with the rest of your draft.Most everyone recognizes both Oline and RB as dire need of improvement. We can address LG and Rb in first two rounds. It is not like we have to ignore one if we draft the other in first. My concern is both premier power backs, Dwyer and Gerhart will be gone by round #2 when we select. There will be high quality guards available.

rmartin65
01-14-2010, 10:22 AM
Nice job.

I dont think Williams will be there. As people have said, talented DT's go earl, especially those who can play the nose in the 3-4.

I like the safety, good idea. I probably would have gone for a back, but safety is a need.

Petrus is a good pick. Maybe not the most athletically gifted guy, but he is mean and field smart.

Not a fan of Tate. He just never stood out to me when watching the Iowa games. Probably would take a corner here.

If Walton is available, the Texans better run to the podium. I have him as a 3rd, maybe 4th rounder.

JB
01-14-2010, 10:35 AM
Nice job.

I dont think Williams will be there. As people have said, talented DT's go earl, especially those who can play the nose in the 3-4.

I like the safety, good idea. I probably would have gone for a back, but safety is a need.

Petrus is a good pick. Maybe not the most athletically gifted guy, but he is mean and field smart.

Not a fan of Tate. He just never stood out to me when watching the Iowa games. Probably would take a corner here.

If Walton is available, the Texans better run to the podium. I have him as a 3rd, maybe 4th rounder.


This is not surprising as Auburn did not play Iowa this year.

Goldensilence
01-14-2010, 10:39 AM
Most everyone recognizes both Oline and RB as dire need of improvement. We can address LG and Rb in first two rounds. It is not like we have to ignore one if we draft the other in first. My concern is both premier power backs, Dwyer and Gerhart will be gone by round #2 when we select. There will be high quality guards available.

Hey if Gerhart and/or Dwyer are there in the second awesome. I'm simply trying to point out that last year and looks like again this year people are looking for a "power back" for our backfield. I'm just saying we don't NEED one to improve the running game necessarily.

Also like as Wolf pointed out there's good value in a guy like Ben Tate later in the draft IF we address the interior of the OL early.

I agree though take RB or OG or C in first and second the offense should be able to score at will and grind out games if they need to.

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2010, 11:05 AM
Hey if Gerhart and/or Dwyer are there in the second awesome. I'm simply trying to point out that last year and looks like again this year people are looking for a "power back" for our backfield. I'm just saying we don't NEED one to improve the running game necessarily.

Also like as Wolf pointed out there's good value in a guy like Ben Tate later in the draft IF we address the interior of the OL early.

I agree though take RB or OG or C in first and second the offense should be able to score at will and grind out games if they need to.

Right now we're just throwing out names . If Gerhart hits a 4.7 at the combine and Ryan Matthews hits a 4.4 , he'll be the chosen one .

I think you decide what are the main needs , me G/C , RB , CB? , FS . At #20 , I'm picking the best player at those positions , keeping in mind the drop off from that player to the next at his position . The exception would be if a guy that was rated as a top 10 pick fell .

If I think Iupati is a future pro bowler and the next G/C isn't even close but there's plents of backs and safety's ... I'm taking Iupati .

HuttoKarl
01-14-2010, 11:10 AM
OK...I am now going to be obsessed with Zoltan. If we don't get him, I will be disappointed.

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2010, 11:21 AM
Zoltan ?

badboy
01-14-2010, 11:21 AM
Kubes said at his last presser fixing the run game would be a top priority.
His 2008 last presser he said getting playmakers on defense was a priority. Cushing,Barwin and Quin were drafted in rds 1,2 and 4.

I think out of the first 3 rds you will see a RB and a OL taken with 2 of those picks.

McNair spoke of this team needing more leadership. I hope he brings in one vet. OL and one vet DT to help lead the way.He said this prior to the last draft also and did not draft a back.

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2010, 11:25 AM
Zoltan ?

Ok ... the punter .

We can draft Zoltan but we need Crezdon also .

badboy
01-14-2010, 11:29 AM
Iupati is rated a bit ahead of Asamoah. How do you rate the two? On my board, I have Texans taking Asamoah in 2nd as I really like his speed 5.08 at his size 6'4" 315. He also is experienced in a ZBS. Both should be long fixtures on the line but I do have a concern about Iupati going 16 games at his weight.

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2010, 11:33 AM
He said this prior to the last draft also and did not draft a back.

They didn't draft a RB last year because they had Slaton had a really good year and one could only expect him to get better .

They need to get themselves in a position like Dallas who took Jones in the 1st and Choice in the 4th . They had Barber but had the luxury of taking a good player because he's good and not for need . I'll bet that Barber's gone next year ... why ... he's on the downside and takes carries away from the other two .

Last year the Texans took OLB ( need ) , pass rusher ( need ) C/G ( big need ) , Blocking TE ( need ) , CB ( need ) . Where would you like them to draft a RB and how much better is a 5th rd. RB gonna be over Foster or Johnson ?

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2010, 11:39 AM
Iupati is rated a bit ahead of Asamoah. How do you rate the two? On my board, I have Texans taking Asamoah in 2nd as I really like his speed 5.08 at his size 6'4" 315. He also is experienced in a ZBS. Both should be long fixtures on the line but I do have a concern about Iupati going 16 games at his weight.

Iupati looks lean , he has a big lower body . He moves well and one thing about playing against smaller schools , sometimes you go against smaller , quicker DL , and he had no problems . It all depends on him being physical and and a little nasty in the trenches .

In the words of Jimmy Johnson , You can't be great if you don't take some risk in the draft . Iupati ... IMO ... has a much higher ceiling than most players . Of course he may never reach that ceiling but it's high .

Jimmy's quote was about this player .

http://www.nfl.com/players/darylgardener/profile?id=GAR133203

badboy
01-14-2010, 12:00 PM
They didn't draft a RB last year because they had Slaton had a really good year and one could only expect him to get better .

They need to get themselves in a position like Dallas who took Jones in the 1st and Choice in the 4th . They had Barber but had the luxury of taking a good player because he's good and not for need . I'll bet that Barber's gone next year ... why ... he's on the downside and takes carries away from the other two .

Last year the Texans took OLB ( need ) , pass rusher ( need ) C/G ( big need ) , Blocking TE ( need ) , CB ( need ) . Where would you like them to draft a RB and how much better is a 5th rd. RB gonna be over Foster or Johnson ?:goodpost: but I disagree in several ways. First, Kubiac has said he wanted Glen Coffee Rb but he was gone. Slaton was not to be "the guy" but bascially a 3rd down back. Folks have been saying for 2 years that Barber will be gone, bound to go sooner or later I guess.

Cushing turned into a great pick, I wanted Jenkins CB who went #14.
2nd Barwin good pick but plays sparsely. Shonne Green RB 5'11" 227
3rd Caldwell can't beat out starter at center or RG or backup Studdard. Andre Brown RB 6' 224
4th 2nd pick Anthony Hill not quite the blocker he was thought to be but will develop. Andre Brown was still on the board. My favorite was Gartrell Johnson 5'10" 219 and taken by Chargers 12 picks later in 4th.
I would have taken Rashad Jennings before Troy Nolan SS in 7th. Jags got him in 7th.

rmartin65
01-14-2010, 12:02 PM
This is not surprising as Auburn did not play Iowa this year.

Haha, good catch. I was thinking of a mock I am working on, got school names mixed up.

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2010, 12:07 PM
:goodpost: but I disagree in several ways. First, Kubiac has said he wanted Glen Coffee Rb but he was gone. Slaton was not to be "the guy" but bascially a 3rd down back. Folks have been saying for 2 years that Barber will be gone, bound to go sooner or later I guess.

Cushing turned into a great pick, I wanted Jenkins CB who went #14.
2nd Barwin good pick but plays sparsely. Shonne Green RB 5'11" 227
3rd Caldwell can't beat out starter at center or RG or backup Studdard. Andre Brown RB 6' 224
4th 2nd pick Anthony Hill not quite the blocker he was thought to be but will develop. Andre Brown was still on the board. My favorite was Gartrell Johnson 5'10" 219 and taken by Chargers 12 picks later in 4th.
I would have taken Rashad Jennings before Troy Nolan SS in 7th. Jags got him in 7th.

I think their idea of a RB gets in the way sometimes . I still think Barwin will be a really good player and Greene's running behind what maybe the best run blocking OL in the business , that doesn't translate to us so well .

I agree Hill and Nolan are the cavities in last year drafts smile . I think I'll see how some of these other RBs did .

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=RB&draftyear=2009&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC&startspot=0

badboy
01-14-2010, 12:56 PM
I think their idea of a RB gets in the way sometimes . I still think Barwin will be a really good player and Greene's running behind what maybe the best run blocking OL in the business , that doesn't translate to us so well .

I agree Hill and Nolan are the cavities in last year drafts smile . I think I'll see how some of these other RBs did .

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=RB&draftyear=2009&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC&startspot=0I agree that Greene does well behind the line but in our ZBS he'd have been very good and make the fake hand off by Schaub work even better. Don't get me wrong, I like our draft and Hill should be good. I think Nolan backs up Pollard this year and Barber may be gone.

b0ng
01-14-2010, 12:59 PM
I agree that Greene does well behind the line but in our ZBS he'd have been very good and make the fake hand off by Schaub work even better. Don't get me wrong, I like our draft and Hill should be good. I think Nolan backs up Pollard this year and Barber may be gone.

Is Barber due a contract? If so then yeah he's probably gone unless he's cheap, but he seemed like a decent backup. Is Eugene Wilson coming back?

infantrycak
01-14-2010, 01:08 PM
and Barber may be gone.

They were starting Barber before he went down and there was a big drop off to Busing. Barber has a cheap contract for the next two years. I'd expect him to make the team as swing depth.

badboy
01-14-2010, 01:09 PM
Is Barber due a contract? If so then yeah he's probably gone unless he's cheap, but he seemed like a decent backup. Is Eugene Wilson coming back?Barber is under contract but not guaranteed and cap not going to be a factor so I'd dump him. Wilson's toes should be healed before season. I am more concerned about Slaton's shoulder.

badboy
01-14-2010, 01:13 PM
They were starting Barber before he went down and there was a big drop off to Busing. Barber has a cheap contract for the next two years. I'd expect him to make the team as swing depth.Correct & I am no fan of Busing. Barber seems so inconsistent o me. Reminds me of JJ in that occasionally he gets an INT or makes a good play but otherwise I wonder where he is. I am drafting a FS in 4th to back up or replace Wilson unless Thomas shocks the MB and falls to us in first.

b0ng
01-14-2010, 01:14 PM
Barber is under contract but not guaranteed and cap not going to be a factor so I'd dump him. Wilson's toes should be healed before season. I am more concerned about Slaton's shoulder.

So why dump him? If I'm correct depth chart would dictate Wilson -> Barber -> Busing, why would we be getting rid of Barber right now (since you are advocating getting rid of him before seeing FA moves)? If the guy wasn't even activated for enough games (10 I believe) then he could even go back to the P. Squad.

badboy
01-14-2010, 01:45 PM
So why dump him? If I'm correct depth chart would dictate Wilson -> Barber -> Busing, why would we be getting rid of Barber right now (since you are advocating getting rid of him before seeing FA moves)? If the guy wasn't even activated for enough games (10 I believe) then he could even go back to the P. Squad.Never said to dump him now just when we have better and that would be my draft pick. Either Owusu-Ansah, CHad Jones or Robert Johnson in 4th. Don't forget that Glover Quin was rated as the 7th best Free Safety when he came out.

Wolf6151
01-14-2010, 07:49 PM
I actually have 2 mock drafts right now but only posted the one. The other one only changes the first 3 players selected and I can't really decide which one I like better. Try this:

1. Earl Thomas-FS
2. Mike Johnson-OG or Jon Asamoah-OG
3. Lamarr Houston-DT
4. Ben Tate-RB
5. J.D. Walton-C
6. Crezdon Butler-CB
6. Larry Asante-SS
7. Zoltan Mesko-P

Which one is better the first one posted or this one?

beerlover
01-14-2010, 08:37 PM
I actually have 2 mock drafts right now but only posted the one. The other one only changes the first 3 players selected and I can't really decide which one I like better. Try this:

1. Earl Thomas-FS
2. Mike Johnson-OG or Jon Asamoah-OG
3. Lamarr Houston-DT
4. Ben Tate-RB
5. J.D. Walton-C
6. Crezdon Butler-CB
6. Larry Asante-SS
7. Zoltan Mesko-P

Which one is better the first one posted or this one?

Earl Thomas would answer many fans prayers. kinda high for both Johnson or Asamoah. Lamarr about right but is DT this big of need? Ben Tate is solid as is Walton but can't see him lasting to the 5th. Butler/Asante would have a tough time making roster & drafting a punter?

how about this -

1. C.J. Spiller, RB Clemson - running/receivng/special teams weapon to keep the dogs off Schaub & spread defenses out
2. Maurkice Pouncey, C Florida - elite center prospect who can start as a rookie, solidify interior line & create holes for Spiller
3. Walter McFadden, CB Auburn - SEC cover corner use to single coverage assisngments, also good technician & run support
4. Thomas Autstin, OG Clemson - have to bring in one of CJ's guys to open holes, might be a little late if not no problem moving Edds up
5. A.J. Edds, OLB Iowa - excellent length/range in coverage, can lock down a TE, personel favorite who compliments current roster
6. Walter Thurmand, CB Oregon - coming off acl nicely, 2nd rd. talent makes plays on the ball & has return expereince
6. Ekom Udofia , DT Stanford - developmental nose tackle, smart & productive, has frame to beef up even more if needed
7. Joique Bell, RB Wayne (Mich.) State - late round, coveted power back, address this need late no sense in spending a 1st day pick here

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2010, 08:51 PM
I actually have 2 mock drafts right now but only posted the one. The other one only changes the first 3 players selected and I can't really decide which one I like better. Try this:

1. Earl Thomas-FS
2. Mike Johnson-OG or Jon Asamoah-OG
3. Lamarr Houston-DT
4. Ben Tate-RB
5. J.D. Walton-C
6. Crezdon Butler-CB
6. Larry Asante-SS
7. Zoltan Mesko-P

Which one is better the first one posted or this one?

The first draft has more bang for the buck according to these guys .

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2010?&start_row=1

Ole Miss Texan
01-14-2010, 10:19 PM
Never said to dump him now just when we have better and that would be my draft pick. Either Owusu-Ansah, CHad Jones or Robert Johnson in 4th. Don't forget that Glover Quin was rated as the 7th best Free Safety when he came out.

I'm really intruiged by "Born on Sunday" Owusu-Ansah. Big, athletic small school guy with tons of potential. I like him in the 4th.

Wolf6151
01-15-2010, 12:34 AM
Earl Thomas would answer many fans prayers. kinda high for both Johnson or Asamoah. Lamarr about right but is DT this big of need? Ben Tate is solid as is Walton but can't see him lasting to the 5th. Butler/Asante would have a tough time making roster & drafting a punter?

how about this -

1. C.J. Spiller, RB Clemson - running/receivng/special teams weapon to keep the dogs off Schaub & spread defenses out
2. Maurkice Pouncey, C Florida - elite center prospect who can start as a rookie, solidify interior line & create holes for Spiller
3. Walter McFadden, CB Auburn - SEC cover corner use to single coverage assisngments, also good technician & run support
4. Thomas Autstin, OG Clemson - have to bring in one of CJ's guys to open holes, might be a little late if not no problem moving Edds up
5. A.J. Edds, OLB Iowa - excellent length/range in coverage, can lock down a TE, personel favorite who compliments current roster
6. Walter Thurmand, CB Oregon - coming off acl nicely, 2nd rd. talent makes plays on the ball & has return expereince
6. Ekom Udofia , DT Stanford - developmental nose tackle, smart & productive, has frame to beef up even more if needed
7. Joique Bell, RB Wayne (Mich.) State - late round, coveted power back, address this need late no sense in spending a 1st day pick here

I like Spiller but I'm just not sure if I want a RB in the 1st round since they have such short careers and someone his size could get banged up easily, maybe Dwyer instead? One benifit of the bigger RB's is that they can usually take the pounding a little better than smaller ones. Pouncey in the 2nd would be great, I love that pick. I'm not familiar with McFadden but I just looked him up and Walterfootball.com has him listed as a 7th-FA player, I'd rather have Kyle Wilson in the 3rd. Austin in the 4th would be another good pick, he can play C as well, not sure if he'll still be available though. I'm not familiar with Edds and I don't see LB as a need this year. I thought about Thurmond in the 6th for my mock as well but Butler has alot more speed and everything else is coachable except speed. Speed also helps you compensate for mistakes in coverage. I also watched some of the YouTube videos of Thurmond and I was unimpressed. I don't know anything about Udofia or Bell but in the 6th and 7th what have we got to lose. I picked Mesko just because Turk is old and nearing retirement and by picking him we wouldn't be wasting our 7th round pick on someone who stands little to no chance of making the team.

Wolf6151
01-15-2010, 12:37 AM
The first draft has more bang for the buck according to these guys .

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2010?&start_row=1


Yeah, the 2nd mock gives us a better FS and better OG but a worse DT and DT isn't a huge need this year. Dan Williams would be hard to turn down if available in the 1st though.

Honoring Earl 34
01-15-2010, 12:44 AM
Yeah, the 2nd mock gives us a better FS and better OG but a worse DT and DT isn't a huge need this year. Dan Williams would be hard to turn down if available in the 1st though.

A 330 lb DT who can play is worth way more than most positions . Not that it makes a difference but the Vols have produced some elite big guys . Having said that , if Williams has good workouts , he'll be gone .

beerlover
01-15-2010, 02:32 AM
I like Spiller but I'm just not sure if I want a RB in the 1st round since they have such short careers and someone his size could get banged up easily, maybe Dwyer instead? One benifit of the bigger RB's is that they can usually take the pounding a little better than smaller ones. Pouncey in the 2nd would be great, I love that pick. I'm not familiar with McFadden but I just looked him up and Walterfootball.com has him listed as a 7th-FA player, I'd rather have Kyle Wilson in the 3rd. Austin in the 4th would be another good pick, he can play C as well, not sure if he'll still be available though. I'm not familiar with Edds and I don't see LB as a need this year. I thought about Thurmond in the 6th for my mock as well but Butler has alot more speed and everything else is coachable except speed. Speed also helps you compensate for mistakes in coverage. I also watched some of the YouTube videos of Thurmond and I was unimpressed. I don't know anything about Udofia or Bell but in the 6th and 7th what have we got to lose. I picked Mesko just because Turk is old and nearing retirement and by picking him we wouldn't be wasting our 7th round pick on someone who stands little to no chance of making the team.

think I forgot to switch McFadden with Austin then wanted to move Edds up after which take him. my bad.

overall I like players on both mocks, yes we've been discussing Kyle Wilson too, would be heck of 3rd rd. pick :)

it would not surprise me if the Texans took a DT in first, OG in second & CB in third, knocking out needs in order with bpa who fit scheme. I'm just having a real hard time passing on another elite RB when the opportunity presents itself :cutthroat:

Honoring Earl 34
01-15-2010, 10:30 AM
think I forgot to switch McFadden with Austin then wanted to move Edds up after which take him. my bad.

overall I like players on both mocks, yes we've been discussing Kyle Wilson too, would be heck of 3rd rd. pick :)

it would not surprise me if the Texans took a DT in first, OG in second & CB in third, knocking out needs in order with bpa who fit scheme. I'm just having a real hard time passing on another elite RB when the opportunity presents itself :cutthroat:

I think that Suh and Williams will be gone . The question then is , will they pick Cody .

Here's a little trench observation .

The all pro team's offensive line , ten players in total ( 1st and 2nd team ) consist of six first round picks , two second round picks , one fourth round pick , and one undrafted free agent .

The All Pro defensive , eight players total , line has four first round picks , one third , one fourth , one fifth , and one seventh . The first rounders are two DT's and two DE's . I think the one thing you can't measure for a player on the DL is his motor . The road is littered with big , athletic guys , who get out of shape and don't pan out . How a big DT plays and how a QB reacts to the speed of the game are really hard to predict .

beerlover
01-15-2010, 11:45 AM
I think that Suh and Williams will be gone . The question then is , will they pick Cody .

Here's a little trench observation .

The all pro team's offensive line , ten players in total ( 1st and 2nd team ) consist of six first round picks , two second round picks , one fourth round pick , and one undrafted free agent .

The All Pro defensive , eight players total , line has four first round picks , one third , one fourth , one fifth , and one seventh . The first rounders are two DT's and two DE's . I think the one thing you can't measure for a player on the DL is his motor . The road is littered with big , athletic guys , who get out of shape and don't pan out . How a big DT plays and how a QB reacts to the speed of the game are really hard to predict .

Agreed. Also this is a decent class so teams will move to address interior DT needs making a run on them not out of the question, meaning they could all be gone by the 3rd so taking one in 1st or 2nd rd. imperative if the need is there.

There is another name who scares the crap out of me that the Texans might be looking at who just recently declared UCLA DT Brian Price. Had him @ the end of rd. 1 going to the Colts but the more I see of him the more I'm impressed. I think he is worth the 20th pick :eek:

b0ng
01-15-2010, 11:51 AM
Agreed. Also this is a decent class so teams will move to address interior DT needs making a run on them not out of the question, meaning they could all be gone by the 3rd so taking one in 1st or 2nd rd. imperative if the need is there.

There is another name who scares the crap out of me that the Texans might be looking at who just recently declared UCLA DT Brian Price. Had him @ the end of rd. 1 going to the Colts but the more I see of him the more I'm impressed. I think he is worth the 20th pick :eek:

Lets say something ridiculous happened and McCoy (Gerald) slipped to like. . . pick #10. Would you think he is worth a huge trade-up to get?

beerlover
01-15-2010, 12:06 PM
Lets say something ridiculous happened and McCoy (Gerald) slipped to like. . . pick #10. Would you think he is worth a huge trade-up to get?

Jacksonville? that would be a great pick for them. actually every team could use him guess that's why elite interior DT's go in 1st over most other positions.

But no for Texans, too many needs to trade away picks. I don't really see a huge drop off to Price anyway he just played on a bad team.

Honoring Earl 34
01-15-2010, 12:32 PM
Jacksonville? that would be a great pick for them. actually every team could use him guess that's why elite interior DT's go in 1st over most other positions.

But no for Texans, too many needs to trade away picks. I don't really see a huge drop off to Price anyway he just played on a bad team.

The Jags like really big DTs or so I thought . To me Houston from UT has a high motor and played well in the biggest game . He's a guy I'd take in the 3rd , to go along with __ in the 1st and __ in the 2nd .

Wolf6151
01-15-2010, 01:07 PM
Agreed. Also this is a decent class so teams will move to address interior DT needs making a run on them not out of the question, meaning they could all be gone by the 3rd so taking one in 1st or 2nd rd. imperative if the need is there.

There is another name who scares the crap out of me that the Texans might be looking at who just recently declared UCLA DT Brian Price. Had him @ the end of rd. 1 going to the Colts but the more I see of him the more I'm impressed. I think he is worth the 20th pick :eek:


Price in the 1st round scares me. He's a junior and only 300 lbs. I'm afraid that he would not be mature enough, like Okoye, and that we'd have 2 DT's that need to grow up and fill out. Also at only 300 lbs. he seems small to play NT and would seem to be more of an DT/UT. I wouldn't want to take such a big risk on such a questionable player. He seems like he'd be good value in the 2nd round or to a team that has the luxury of allowing him to mature and get bigger if taken in the 1st, but we don't have that luxury. He's to big of a risk/project in the 1st round and he seems very similar to Lamarr Houston who's only a 3rd round projection. I think that Dan Williams has a very good chance of being available at #20 and would be very difficult to turn down. It all depends on what position Kubiak sees as more important OG, DT, RB, CB, or FS.

Wolf6151
01-15-2010, 01:31 PM
A 330 lb DT who can play is worth way more than most positions . Not that it makes a difference but the Vols have produced some elite big guys . Having said that , if Williams has good workouts , he'll be gone .

I think he stands a strong chance of being available at #20 but what scares me is that Tennessee may take him earlier and then we'd have to face the guy twice a year. Maybe we should learn from Tennessee's example (Haynesworth) that one really powerful big man in the middle is worth his weight in gold.

mussop
01-15-2010, 02:39 PM
Agreed. Also this is a decent class so teams will move to address interior DT needs making a run on them not out of the question, meaning they could all be gone by the 3rd so taking one in 1st or 2nd rd. imperative if the need is there.

There is another name who scares the crap out of me that the Texans might be looking at who just recently declared UCLA DT Brian Price. Had him @ the end of rd. 1 going to the Colts but the more I see of him the more I'm impressed. I think he is worth the 20th pick :eek:

Im really hoping we go after a proven DT in FA but it wouldnt surprise me to see us draft Odric, Williams or Price if any were available at 20. I think any one of them would be a good value at 20.

b0ng
01-15-2010, 03:02 PM
Im really hoping we go after a proven DT in FA but it wouldnt surprise me to see us draft Odric, Williams or Price if any were available at 20. I think any one of them would be a good value at 20.

Is Hampton going to be the only FA available that plays nose that won't be affected by the CBA stuff?

infantrycak
01-15-2010, 03:13 PM
Johnny Jolly will be an RFA. He is playing 3-4 DE but that's like Gary Walker - in a 4-3 he's a DT. 6'3" 325 lbs.

Aubrayo Franklin will be an UFA and plays NT for San Francisco who had a good run D.

Ryan Pickett Green Bay's NT will also be an UFA.

beerlover
01-15-2010, 06:38 PM
Johnny Jolly will be an RFA. He is playing 3-4 DE but that's like Gary Walker - in a 4-3 he's a DT. 6'3" 325 lbs.

Aubrayo Franklin will be an UFA and plays NT for San Francisco who had a good run D.

Ryan Pickett Green Bay's NT will also be an UFA.

Aubrayo Franklin 36 25 11 2 0
Amobi Okoye 37 25 12 1.5

infantrycak
01-15-2010, 09:13 PM
Aubrayo Franklin 36 25 11 2 0
Amobi Okoye 37 25 12 1.5

Just answering a question, not advocating. I frankly didn't see Franklin enough to have an opinion but have heard good things about him.

steelbtexan
01-15-2010, 10:02 PM
If Jolly gets off on his Drug charges I would be for bringing him home.

They need to get a vet. DT that already knows the ropes of the NFL. The upcoming season isn't the year for OJT. (see OkOye)

A successful offseason in FA would include Jolly and Kuper. Both could be had for reasonable contracts.

I've read that the 49ers are going to cut Nate Clements this offseason. It's an uncapped year and they can get from under his contract with no cap ramifications.

Would you sign him and if so for how many years/$ ?

beerlover
01-15-2010, 10:29 PM
Just answering a question, not advocating. I frankly didn't see Franklin enough to have an opinion but have heard good things about him.

I've heard good things about him too which is why that's interesting because we don't hear or see the same things in regards to Amobi, yet their numbers are almost identical, just FYI.

infantrycak
01-15-2010, 10:54 PM
I've heard good things about him too which is why that's interesting because we don't hear or see the same things in regards to Amobi, yet their numbers are almost identical, just FYI.

I guess it could be a Sharper v. Foreman thing. Looking at profootballfocus.com Franklin has a lot more stops (failed O plays) while Amobi had a ton more QB pressures. Of course Franklin is playing 3-4 NT so that isn't surprising. Might be a great guy to stick next to Amobi.

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2010, 12:36 AM
http://www.ourlads.com/pdfs/PhysAttributes_NFLSuccess.pdf

beerlover
01-16-2010, 01:53 AM
I guess it could be a Sharper v. Foreman thing. Looking at profootballfocus.com Franklin has a lot more stops (failed O plays) while Amobi had a ton more QB pressures. Of course Franklin is playing 3-4 NT so that isn't surprising. Might be a great guy to stick next to Amobi.

If the 49'ers are unable to re-sign him it would force them to use one of their two first rd. picks on a DT like Dan Williams to execute a steller 3-4. so his value to them is higher than numbers alone may indicate, but yeah if the Texans could pry him away without paying Antonio Smith type numbers? guess we're not going to worry about cap hell anymore but still seems like a disproportionate amount of dollars would be spent on the DL.

infantrycak
01-16-2010, 02:20 AM
If the 49'ers are unable to re-sign him it would force them to use one of their two first rd. picks on a DT like Dan Williams to execute a steller 3-4. so his value to them is higher than numbers alone may indicate, but yeah if the Texans could pry him away without paying Antonio Smith type numbers? guess we're not going to worry about cap hell anymore but still seems like a disproportionate amount of dollars would be spent on the DL.

I don't expect the Texans to spend a ton on DT. I think they will expect Barwin to develop as a passing down edge rusher with Smith moving inside. That leaves any new DT as a 2 down player and most likely they won't open the piggy bank too far for that. Whether that is the best course is another matter, but that's what I expect. Having said that I don't think they think another Smith type contract is breaking piggy, but we'll see.

b0ng
01-16-2010, 02:45 AM
I don't expect the Texans to spend a ton on DT. I think they will expect Barwin to develop as a passing down edge rusher with Smith moving inside. That leaves any new DT as a 2 down player and most likely they won't open the piggy bank too far for that. Whether that is the best course is another matter, but that's what I expect. Having said that I don't think they think another Smith type contract is breaking piggy, but we'll see.

They couldn't really operate assuming that Barwin is going to develop though and not have something bite them in the ass right? I don't think they have to break the bank or anything like that, but we should definitely be in the market for somebody to play NT.