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Stemp
01-12-2010, 07:37 PM
Tennessee's Lane Kiffin has agreed in principle to become the next head coach at Southern California, sources close to the situation told ESPN.com's Chris Low on Tuesday.

Kiffin would replace Pete Carroll, who jumped to the NFL as coach of the Seattle Seahawks.

Kiffin, the former Oakland Raiders coach, led the Volunteers for only one season.

According to the sources, Kiffin will bring his father and defensive coordinator, Monte Kiffin, and assistant head coach and recruiting coordinator Ed Orgeron to Southern Cal with him, and wide receivers coach Kippy Brown will be named interim head coach at Tennessee.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=4820737

pbat488
01-12-2010, 07:38 PM
Just saw on ESPN...

Tennessee's Lane Kiffin has agreed in principle to become the next head coach at Southern California, sources close to the situation told ESPN.com's Chris Low on Tuesday.

Kiffin would replace Pete Carroll, who jumped to the NFL as coach of the Seattle Seahawks.

Kiffin, the former Oakland Raiders coach, led the Volunteers for only one season.

According to the sources, Kiffin will bring his father and defensive coordinator, Monte Kiffin, and assistant head coach and recruiting coordinator Ed Orgeron to Southern Cal with him, and wide receivers coach Kippy Brown will be named interim head coach at Tennessee.

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=4820737

Hutch13
01-12-2010, 07:42 PM
What has Lane Kiffin actually done? Overrated.

IlliniJen
01-12-2010, 07:46 PM
Wow, just wow. Was USC desperate?

rmartin65
01-12-2010, 07:48 PM
God he is a tool. Does he know what the hell the term "contract" means?

I supported him with the Oakland situation, but his behavior at Tennessee was pathetic.

TexanSam
01-12-2010, 08:09 PM
After just one year at Tennessee? C'mon man, that's ridiculous.

Also, isn't Tennessee already under review under Kiffin? And USC hires him to run their program when they're already under review?

Carr Bombed
01-12-2010, 08:11 PM
Dumping a major football program after only one season is not going to help him on the recruiting trail at his new job.

TexanSam
01-12-2010, 08:14 PM
Looks like USC fans aren't all that happy with the selection

http://usc.rivals.com/forum.asp?style=1&sid=995&fid=521&pid=

EDIT: this forum looks a little more level headed.

http://wearesc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3

Mr teX
01-12-2010, 08:22 PM
dude is a turd...Is pops coming with him there too?

Stemp
01-12-2010, 08:26 PM
Also, isn't Tennessee already under review under Kiffin? And USC hires him to run their program when they're already under review?

They need someone who will look the other way with superstar rule breakers. Shades of Sampson to IU while OU was under the microscope.

The Pencil Neck
01-12-2010, 08:35 PM
Wow.

I just saw it on the crawl on NFLN.

I don't know what to say. I did not expect this at all. Why would you even offer it to this guy?

4Texans
01-12-2010, 08:44 PM
Wow, just wow. Was USC desperate?

He was 7th on the list after Riley, Peterson, Fisher, Del Rio, Mooch, and Herm Edwards....

dude is a turd...Is pops coming with him there too?

Monte is moving west with him.

Hagar
01-12-2010, 09:05 PM
After just one year at Tennessee? C'mon man, that's ridiculous.

Also, isn't Tennessee already under review under Kiffin? And USC hires him to run their program when they're already under review?

Yep

ESPN: NCAA eyes use of hostesses (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4727155)

NYTimes: N.C.A.A. Puts Tennessee’s Recruiting Under Scrutiny (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/sports/ncaafootball/09tennessee.html)

The N.C.A.A. is conducting a wide-ranging investigation into the University of Tennessee’s football recruiting practices, according to interviews with several prospects, their family members and high school administrators. A significant part of the investigation is focused on the use of recruiting hostesses who have become folk heroes on Tennessee Internet message boards for their ability to help lure top recruits.

Texan4Ever
01-12-2010, 09:06 PM
WOW, this I never expected. Just when I thought that Kiffin was a Volunteer for a few more years to come, he made it seem like he had strong feelings about turning the program around...

I have lost ALL rescept for him. I feel for the Tenneessee fans and hopefully they can get someone better.

Stemp
01-12-2010, 09:10 PM
Avast ye mateys! Captain Leach claims Tennessee as the NEW Pirate nation! ARRGGGHHHHH!!!!

HoustonFrog
01-12-2010, 09:33 PM
This guy was a loose cannon at Tennessee in only one year and had rogue players. Now USC, who could be in trouble, brings him there. What a cluster-eff

Hardcore Texan
01-12-2010, 09:48 PM
This guy was a loose cannon at Tennessee in only one year and had rogue players. Now USC, who could be in trouble, brings him there. What a cluster-eff

I agree with this and most of the other sentiments here, the guy is a complete tool.

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2010, 10:08 PM
Kippy Brown was a coach here for four years.

Silver Oak
01-12-2010, 10:11 PM
I saw the thread headline, and seriously, the first thought through my mind was a joke thread.

Guess the Volunteer MB's are melting down about now...

Carr Bombed
01-12-2010, 10:26 PM
LOL, Urban Meyer at the Kentucky basketball game, receiving the news...

http://i47.tinypic.com/148ksw1.gif

Hagar
01-12-2010, 10:33 PM
LOL, Urban Meyer at the Kentucky basketball game, receiving the news...

http://i47.tinypic.com/148ksw1.gif

He's smiling because he just picked up 3 Tennessee Vol recruits.

IlliniJen
01-13-2010, 09:23 AM
Apparently Ed Orgeron, who's going to USC with Kiffin, is calling up TN recruits and telling them not to go to TN.

What a bunch of scumbags. Couldn't hang in the SEC, boys?

Texan_Bill
01-13-2010, 09:31 AM
Apparently Ed Orgeron, who's going to USC with Kiffin, is calling up TN recruits and telling them not to go to TN.

What a bunch of scumbags. Couldn't hang in the SEC, boys?

If true, that's ****ed up.

Ole Miss Texan
01-13-2010, 09:33 AM
I think it's pretty sh*tty for him to leave a major college football program in a major bcs conference after one year. It shows a lack of character and loyalty. I think USC is dumb to hire him and could have found someone better... but then again we don't know much about how many people they interviewed first.

Smart move taking his pops and Orgeron with him. Coach O is a really good recruiter and DL coach... one of the best. He was at USC before going to Ole Miss for the HC gig (epic fail). But he recruited some awesome talent. After not winning a single SEC game his final year, Nutt came in and took the same players to the Cotton Bowl and won. As a DL coach and recruiter though, he's one of the best.

This looks very bad on Kiffen for recruiting purposes at USC though. The only plus to this is that this job is his dream job, to be Head Coach at Southern Cal so I can't totally fault the guy. In my perspective, he's not going to get up and leave this job like he did in Oakland and Tennessee, this is where he wants to be. On the downside, he's probably going to get fired after 2 seasons for sucking.

It will be interesting to see what sort of sanctions Tenn and USC will be under for ncaa violations from previous years.

Joe Texan
01-13-2010, 09:58 AM
Said on ESPN that Kiffin left a day before the new recruits were to practice and seal the deal with Tennessee, This guy is a real joke and to think the kids he recruited last year are just well stuck with nothing so to speak.
What a worm of a coach.

WWJD
01-13-2010, 09:58 AM
Haven't heard or read anything about Tennessee being in trouble with NCAA.

USC yes.

ChampionTexan
01-13-2010, 10:13 AM
Haven't heard or read anything about Tennessee being in trouble with NCAA.

USC yes.

Read Post #13 in this thread.

bah007
01-13-2010, 10:14 AM
Haven't heard or read anything about Tennessee being in trouble with NCAA.

USC yes.

They have racked up at least six recruiting violations in just the one year that Kiffin was there.

ChampionTexan
01-13-2010, 10:15 AM
Not in any way shape or form a USC fan, but if I were, I think I'd be clinging to the hope that Kiffin was hired because he's gonna be easy to fire in a year or two.

Tennessee will be far better off once all is said and done.

Wolf6151
01-13-2010, 10:16 AM
Apparently Ed Orgeron, who's going to USC with Kiffin, is calling up TN recruits and telling them not to go to TN.

What a bunch of scumbags. Couldn't hang in the SEC, boys?


I heard that as well and would think that Tennessee would have very good ground for a lawsuit against Kiffin and Co..

WWJD
01-13-2010, 10:33 AM
Read Post #13 in this thread.

That's what I get for not reading the whole thread.

GP
01-13-2010, 11:17 AM
Urban Meyer has no need to be stressed our anxious anymore.

Outside of Alabama, he has NO competition for his Gators team.

USC is officially done.

Other than Alabama and Florida, the landscape looks pretty flat. Even mack brown is going to have problems with the departure of Colt. Stoops is probably not going to bounce completely back next year, either.

ChampionTexan
01-13-2010, 11:26 AM
Urban Meyer has no need to be stressed our anxious anymore.

Outside of Alabama, he has NO competition for his Gators team.

USC is officially done.

Other than Alabama and Florida, the landscape looks pretty flat. Even mack brown is going to have problems with the departure of Colt. Stoops is probably not going to bounce completely back next year, either.

It doesn't matter if there are only two names on the list when you're the second name.

Blake
01-13-2010, 02:12 PM
What a retarted move by USC. How do you hire a guy like Lane with the track record he has to coach your football team that is probably about to be put on NCAA probation?

The NCAA also needs to take a hard look at the affect that coaches who switch after 1 year or so, have on the players, and the school.

Lane Kiffin is officially a snake in my book. Dude is messed up in the head.

Mr teX
01-13-2010, 02:50 PM
Uh oh....Muschamp to Tennessee?.......again?

http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/colleges/2010/01/will-muschamp-to-tennessee-probably-not-but-hell-be-tempted.html

JB
01-13-2010, 02:54 PM
Uh oh....Muschamp to Tennessee?

link?

Mr teX
01-13-2010, 02:55 PM
link?

no, i'm saying will he be able to resist again?

hobie
01-13-2010, 02:57 PM
It may be a clasless move, but it doesn't effect me at all.. Yeah, he may be an asshat, but it happens every year, even though he didn't last more than 1 season...Making a big deal out of it if it doesn't effect you personally.. happens all the time !!

ChampionTexan
01-13-2010, 02:59 PM
Uh oh....Muschamp to Tennessee?.......again?

http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/colleges/2010/01/will-muschamp-to-tennessee-probably-not-but-hell-be-tempted.html

Unclench UT fans...

LINK (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=td-newsflash011310&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Blake
01-13-2010, 03:05 PM
Unclench UT fans...

LINK (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=td-newsflash011310&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

I dont think any UTexas fan is worried about losing Muschamp. He has a guarantee for the job he wants. Anyone who would pass on the UTexas head coach job is a moron. And Muschamp is no moron.

Texecutioner
01-13-2010, 03:05 PM
Sorry, but college football is not about the student athletes and all of that other giz. It's a huge business just like the NFL and people are kidding themselves when they try separating one from the other. I might even argue that there is less integrity all over the board in college football with the way the NCAA runs things.

Has anyone asked themselves what Tennessee might have done had Urban Meyer called them up and told their AD that he would much rather coach there than at Florida if they would just get rid of Kiffin?

This doesn't make Kiffin a scumbag at all to me. He was offered a better opportunity and so he took it. He has already coached there before, he knows how to recruit there, and this was probably a dream job for Kiffin. He should just say no, because he recently signed on with Tennessee and miss this once and a life time opportunity? I don't think so. I think he's good hire there and a much better fit over than he would have been at Tennessee any way. He's been there before and he's got ties to the program. He's young and energetic and I think that he'll have some similar success there unless USC ends up getting sanctioned like many suspect. If not, then I think Kiffin's a good hire for USC.

Blake
01-13-2010, 03:08 PM
It may be a clasless move, but it doesn't effect me at all.. Yeah, he may be an asshat, but it happens every year!, even though he didn't last more than 1 season...Making a big deal out of it if it doesn't effect you personally.. happens all the time !

Taking a SEC headcoaching job with millions of followers, then leaving after 1 season happens all the time?

Yes, coaching changes happen every year. But not like this.

Blake
01-13-2010, 03:10 PM
Sorry, but college football is not about the student athletes and all of that other giz. It's a huge business just like the NFL and people are kidding themselves when they try separating one from the other. I might even argue that there is less integrity all over the board in college football with the way the NCAA runs things.

Has anyone asked themselves what Tennessee might have done had Urban Meyer called them up and told their AD that he would much rather coach there than at Florida if they would just get rid of Kiffin?

This doesn't make Kiffin a scumbag at all to me. He was offered a better opportunity and so he took it. He has already coached there before, he knows how to recruit there, and this was probably a dream job for Kiffin. He should just say no, because he recently signed on with Tennessee and miss this once and a life time opportunity? I don't think so. I think he's good hire there and a much better fit over than he would have been at Tennessee any way. He's been there before and he's got ties to the program. He's young and energetic and I think that he'll have some similar success there unless USC ends up getting sanctioned like many suspect. If not, then I think Kiffin's a good hire for USC.

I doubt you feel that way if you are one of his recruits.

Mr teX
01-13-2010, 03:16 PM
I dont think any UTexas fan is worried about losing Muschamp. He has a guarantee for the job he wants. Anyone who would pass on the UTexas head coach job is a moron. And Muschamp is no moron.

Yeah, b/c Tennessee surely can't compete with UT right? Give me a break. The Tennessee HC job is just as attractive of a job as the Texas job. Great tradition, great facilities, great fan base & great conference, good recruits...etc.

Texecutioner
01-13-2010, 03:18 PM
I doubt you feel that way if you are one of his recruits.

I'd probably be ticked off, but that's part of the business and that's part of the real world. Would Kiffin have taken the Tennessee job had he known that Carroll would have left USC out of nowhere and then all of a sudden been offered the job there? Obviously not. He got offered a great opportunity to coach and recruit at what is arguably the best program in the country that he's already coached at, so why shouldn't he do that if that's what he's always wanted. That is selfish from fans and recruits to think a person shouldn't take that opportunity.

And funny how Kiffin gets all of this criticism from all of this and his recruits get mentioned, but yet when Carroll pulled this same stint out of nowhere just last week no one said any of this about Pete Carroll just leaving out of nowhere and called him a snake and scumbag for it. Many people called him smart, because they figured USC was going to get sanctioned, and hell he's obviously been part of all of that and most likely is running from the consequences of USC's transgressions. I'd say that's a hell of a lot more of being a snake than what Kiffin is doing.

So why aren't you questioning Carroll's recruits since he just left and did the same thing?

WWJD
01-13-2010, 03:18 PM
I dont think any UTexas fan is worried about losing Muschamp. He has a guarantee for the job he wants. Anyone who would pass on the UTexas head coach job is a moron. And Muschamp is no moron.

Yea that's true. They made a big deal last year that after Brown retires the job is his. And I think they gave him a huge raise.

Goldensilence
01-13-2010, 03:19 PM
Urban Meyer has no need to be stressed our anxious anymore.

Outside of Alabama, he has NO competition for his Gators team.

USC is officially done.

Other than Alabama and Florida, the landscape looks pretty flat. Even mack brown is going to have problems with the departure of Colt. Stoops is probably not going to bounce completely back next year, either.

When they let him do his thing Gilbert didn't look too bad at all in the title game, considering his first meaningful collegiate action was in a title game against one of the best defenses in the nation. Aside from losing Shipley the receiving corps looks like it has a ton of speed going into next year and Newton looks like might capable of filling the void at RB. They also havea Freshman coming in next year Sheed, who i saw in the Army all-american game. Kid has wheels.

I think OU will rebound. Landri Jones will have a year under his belt and the team can build off the Sun Bowl win. He still recruits well.

TCU is going to be returning a lot of people next year, I just think they came out flat against a good Boise Team. Speaking of which they are returning pretty much everyone as well.

Far as Florida goes they lose Tebow and Charlie Strong took a deserved HC gig. They also had some close calls in the SEC this year.

Auburn gave Alabma all they could handle could handle as well.

Maybe the landscape looks flat from the sky, but when on the ground it doesn't look that way to me.

Mr teX
01-13-2010, 03:26 PM
When they let him do his thing Gilbert didn't look too bad at all in the title game, considering his first meaningful collegiate action was in a title game against one of the best defenses in the nation. Aside from losing Shipley the receiving corps looks like it has a ton of speed going into next year and Newton looks like might capable of filling the void at RB. They also havea Freshman coming in next year Sheed, who i saw in the Army all-american game. Kid has wheels.

I think OU will rebound. Landri Jones will have a year under his belt and the team can build off the Sun Bowl win. He still recruits well.

TCU is going to be returning a lot of people next year, I just think they came out flat against a good Boise Team. Speaking of which they are returning pretty much everyone as well.

Far as Florida goes they lose Tebow and Charlie Strong took a deserved HC gig. They also had some close calls in the SEC this year.

Auburn gave Alabma all they could handle could handle as well.

Maybe the landscape looks flat from the sky, but when on the ground it doesn't look that way to me.


Everyone 1 of these teams u mentioned except for TCU has a top 10 recruiting class as of now. So i don't think it looks flat at all.

Blake
01-13-2010, 03:28 PM
Yeah, b/c Tennessee surely can't compete with UT right? Give me a break. The Tennessee HC job is just as attractive of a job as the Texas job. Great tradition, great facilities, great fan base & great conference, good recruits...etc.

Haha. You are nieve. Muschamp would have taken it when Fulmer was fired if he wanted that job.

Besides, Muschamp has already informed Tennessee that he is not interested. So yeah, it sounds like Tennessee cant compete with UT.

:bravo:

mariowillshine15
01-13-2010, 03:29 PM
Not exactly a classy move my Kiffin but the guy wasnt known for being an honest guy.

He took one of the top 5 jobs in college its not his fault the AD was stupid enough to offer it to him.

I just feel bad for the recruits who were recruited by them. You think your coach is going to be there and then leaves and has the balls to ask you to come with him.

College Football is a nasty business.

Mr teX
01-13-2010, 03:32 PM
Haha. You are nieve. Muschamp would have taken it when Fulmer was fired if he wanted that job.

Besides, Muschamp has already informed Tennessee that he is not interested. So yeah, it sounds like Tennessee cant compete with UT.

:bravo:

I think you're the only one niave, especially with all the hoping around that happens in college/pro sports these days. Besides, he's in a bit better position this time around to negotiate for more money. If Tennessee throws a richie rich vault at him.....

Texecutioner
01-13-2010, 03:36 PM
Haha. You are nieve. Muschamp would have taken it when Fulmer was fired if he wanted that job.

Besides, Muschamp has already informed Tennessee that he is not interested. So yeah, it sounds like Tennessee cant compete with UT.

:bravo:

WHen and where did he say this? You got a link? I've been pretty nervous about this since I heard that Kiffin jumped ship. Muschamp is my favorite coach in college football, so I don't want him going anywhere. Where did you read this?

Mr teX
01-13-2010, 03:38 PM
WHen and where did he say this? You got a link? I've been pretty nervous about this since I heard that Kiffin jumped ship. Muschamp is my favorite coach in college football, so I don't want him going anywhere. Where did you read this?

Just rumors man relax...They've been after him since last year, but rumors have been circulating that they're going to go after him a bit harder this go round...

Blake
01-13-2010, 03:39 PM
I'd probably be ticked off, but that's part of the business and that's part of the real world. Would Kiffin have taken the Tennessee job had he known that Carroll would have left USC out of nowhere and then all of a sudden been offered the job there? Obviously not. He got offered a great opportunity to coach and recruit at what is arguably the best program in the country that he's already coached at, so why shouldn't he do that if that's what he's always wanted. That is selfish from fans and recruits to think a person shouldn't take that opportunity.

And funny how Kiffin gets all of this criticism from all of this and his recruits get mentioned, but yet when Carroll pulled this same stint out of nowhere just last week no one said any of this about Pete Carroll just leaving out of nowhere and called him a snake and scumbag for it. Many people called him smart, because they figured USC was going to get sanctioned, and hell he's obviously been part of all of that and most likely is running from the consequences of USC's transgressions. I'd say that's a hell of a lot more of being a snake than what Kiffin is doing.

So why aren't you questioning Carroll's recruits since he just left and did the same thing?

You are really compairing Carroll's departure with Kiffin's? I am not giving a pass to Pete for abandoning his recruits. He will have to answer to them as well.

Pete Carroll is going to the NFL. Whether it was to avoid NCAA sanctions or to take on the challenge of the NFL is debatable at this point. And I dont expect either coach to tell his recruits that he might be leaving if the right offer comes along. That is not going to win trophy's.

Kiffin went NCAA to NCAA after 1 year! He doesnt give a **** about anybody but himself. I am sorry that Carroll didnt resign last year, and the stars didnt alight for him to coach USC, but who knows, maybe that job will open up in the future. He is a young man. You took the Tennessee head coach job. Now do your job and coach that program back up. Dont leave it high and dry, and try to steal its recruits to USC.

If you cant see he is a assclown then i dont know what to tell you. We just think differently.

Texecutioner
01-13-2010, 03:41 PM
Not exactly a classy move my Kiffin but the guy wasnt known for being an honest guy.

He took one of the top 5 jobs in college its not his fault the AD was stupid enough to offer it to him.

I just feel bad for the recruits who were recruited by them. You think your coach is going to be there and then leaves and has the balls to ask you to come with him.

College Football is a nasty business.

And again, why aren't you criticizing Carroll for the same freaking thing? He just did the same thing just last week. I don't remember hearing so many people crying about the poor recruits that Carroll had been coddling all of this time. And Kiffin would have never gotten this opportunity in the first place had Carroll not decided to leave out of nowhere most likely because USC is being sanctioned? You think Carroll told these recruits that USC might be getting sanctioned possibly and that he would be scatting out of town most likely if that is why he left which many people assume? Of USC is going to get sanctioned which many believe, Carroll obviously had some sort of role in all of that as well which to me makes him look worse than any college coach out there, because not only did he contribute to all of this, but he'll be scatting away once the consequences come. Now, that's a snake.

Blake
01-13-2010, 03:41 PM
WHen and where did he say this? You got a link? I've been pretty nervous about this since I heard that Kiffin jumped ship. Muschamp is my favorite coach in college football, so I don't want him going anywhere. Where did you read this?

I will see if one comes out soon. Not all information is documented right away. It will probably come out on print tomorrow morning.

Goldensilence
01-13-2010, 03:42 PM
Everyone 1 of these teams u mentioned except for TCU has a top 10 recruiting class as of now. So i don't think it looks flat at all.

Right and Gary has done pretty well even without top ten recruiting classes. Same with Boise.

I hate to mention it was well but, Ohio State might be in the mix as well next year as well as I'm curious to see Kelly's first year at ND.

Goldensilence
01-13-2010, 03:44 PM
WHen and where did he say this? You got a link? I've been pretty nervous about this since I heard that Kiffin jumped ship. Muschamp is my favorite coach in college football, so I don't want him going anywhere. Where did you read this?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=td-newsflash011310&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


I wouldn't be surprised to see a pay raise in the near future though.

Texecutioner
01-13-2010, 03:52 PM
You are really compairing Carroll's departure with Kiffin's? I am not giving a pass to Pete for abandoning his recruits. He will have to answer to them as well.

Pete Carroll is going to the NFL. Whether it was to avoid NCAA sanctions or to take on the challenge of the NFL is debatable at this point. And I dont expect either coach to tell his recruits that he might be leaving if the right offer comes along. That is not going to win trophy's.

Oh, so it's okay in Carroll's case since he's going to the NFL completely out of nowhere, but not in Kiffin's case since he's still coaching in college? Lol!

Talk about one pathetic double standard here. It's the exact same freaking thing no matter how you chop it up. They both have been talking to recruits and both schools will most likely lose recruits over the coaches leaving to other places. It's no different at all.

Kiffin went NCAA to NCAA after 1 year! He doesnt give a **** about anybody but himself.

And Carroll is most likely running from negative consequences that the University is going to suffer from in which he helped to cause but yet you want to conveniently ignore that. Lol!

He is a young man. You took the Tennessee head coach job. Now do your job and coach that program back up.

One season of Kiffin being there and leaving isn't going to destroy that program at all. If that is the case then the program itself was already destroyed. They had a long way to go to get things turned around before Kiffin was ever even freaking hired.

If you cant see he is a assclown then i dont know what to tell you. We just think differently.

No, I don't see a person as an ass clown for wanting to take an opportunity to coach at one of the best places in the country that he's always dreamed of coaching for as the HC where this will most likely be his only chance at this opportunity and he's got ties to. How you and all of these other anti/Kiffin bashers can't understand this is beyond me and I think most of you would go work for a top company if you guys were offered the same type of opportunity as well if you had ties there and always dreamed of one day working there as the head guy. I won't sit here on my high horse and act like I wouldn't have done the same thing especially in a greedy and shady atmosphere like college football. Pete Carroll did the exact same thing, and no one criticizes him one bit. INcredible actually.

Texecutioner
01-13-2010, 03:54 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=td-newsflash011310&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


I wouldn't be surprised to see a pay raise in the near future though.

This looks a little better, but I won't feel safe until someone else is officially hired. There is no telling what could be being negotiated behind close doors. You just never know man.

Texecutioner
01-13-2010, 03:59 PM
Just rumors man relax...They've been after him since last year, but rumors have been circulating that they're going to go after him a bit harder this go round...

I bet they are going to radically go after him like crazy regardless if he says no at first. I would if I were them. There was a lot of smoke when Auburn was hiring Chizik regarding Muschamp and he ended up not going but there was waaaayy to many rumors and stuff going on for me to think that the smell of the smoke wasn't justified. I'd bet my bottom dollar that Tennessee is going to pull out every little trick in their playbook to get Muschamp this time. I'll feel better about it once Tennessee announces their new HC and his name is something other than Will Muschamp.

Blake
01-13-2010, 04:00 PM
Oh, so it's okay in Carroll's case since he's going to the NFL completely out of nowhere, but not in Kiffin's case since he's still coaching in college? Lol!

Talk about one pathetic double standard here. It's the exact same freaking thing no matter how you chop it up. They both have been talking to recruits and both schools will most likely lose recruits over the coaches leaving to other places. It's no different at all.



And Carroll is most likely running from negative consequences that the University is going to suffer from in which he helped to cause but yet you want to conveniently ignore that. Lol!



One season of Kiffin being there and leaving isn't going to destroy that program at all. If that is the case then the program itself was already destroyed. They had a long way to go to get things turned around before Kiffin was ever even freaking hired.



No, I don't see a person as an ass clown for wanting to take an opportunity to coach at one of the best places in the country that he's always dreamed of coaching for as the HC where this will most likely be his only chance at this opportunity and he's got ties to. How you and all of these other anti/Kiffin bashers can't understand this is beyond me and I think most of you would go work for a top company if you guys were offered the same type of opportunity as well if you had ties there and always dreamed of one day working there as the head guy. I won't sit here on my high horse and act like I wouldn't have done the same thing especially in a greedy and shady atmosphere like college football. Pete Carroll did the exact same thing, and no one criticizes him one bit. INcredible actually.

Has anyone told you, you are awful to argue with? You seem to bring the same things back up over and over again, like they are new points.

I won't sit here on my high horse and act like I wouldn't have done the same thing especially in a greedy and shady atmosphere like college football.

So since you are just as immoral and sleazy as Kiffen, everyone else should be ok with what he is doing. Gotcha.

Texecutioner
01-13-2010, 04:16 PM
Has anyone told you, you are awful to argue with? You seem to bring the same things back up over and over again, like they are new points.

I'll take this comment as a lack to form a reasonable rebuttal. You're trying to criticize one man for something while ignoring it on the other. Sorry, but that's hypocritical and that's a double standard that you're putting on Kiffin. I haven't heard you say one thing that was any different from your initial comments and all you've brought up were recruits and tried to excuse Carroll because he was going to the NFL instead of another coaching job in college football which is no different and you know it.

So since you are just as immoral and sleazy as Kiffen, everyone else should be ok with what he is doing. Gotcha.

I am immoral and sleazy for saying that I would take on a better opportunity at a job that I had been ambitiously wanting for years and years? Lol!

Get off of your high horse already. I think you're full of it.

Mr teX
01-13-2010, 05:31 PM
I'll take this comment as a lack to form a reasonable rebuttal. You're trying to criticize one man for something while ignoring it on the other. Sorry, but that's hypocritical and that's a double standard that you're putting on Kiffin. I haven't heard you say one thing that was any different from your initial comments and all you've brought up were recruits and tried to excuse Carroll because he was going to the NFL instead of another coaching job in college football which is no different and you know it.



I am immoral and sleazy for saying that I would take on a better opportunity at a job that I had been ambitiously wanting for years and years? Lol!

Get off of your high horse already. I think you're full of it.

http://jshurwitz.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/cash-wad.jpg

yep..all it takes is enough of this & most people would do pretty much anything..which is why regardless of what muschamp says, you can bet your ass he's still listening.

Texecutioner
01-13-2010, 05:41 PM
http://jshurwitz.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/cash-wad.jpg

yep..all it takes is enough of this & most people would do pretty much anything..which is why regardless of what muschamp says, you can bet your ass he's still listening.

I agree with you. Money talks and you know the rest.

Muschamp and his wife love it in Austin though. But with every year there being some top HC vacancy, Muschamp isn't going to want to continue telling all of these top tier programs "no" and wanting to be the DC forever. If he doesn't take this job, and next year some big time program especially one in the SEC offers him the HC job with a lot of mula, than I think he leaves. Texas won't get to keep him forever as the DC. I wish Texas could replace Mack Brown with him right now. If Muschamp were to leave right now, I can almost guarantee you that a ton of Longhorn fans would immediately bash him for it and call him a traitor and stuff like that. Not me though. You can't blame someone for taking a great opportunity in life. You only live once, so you should do what makes you happy as long as you're not hurting others.

Goldensilence
01-13-2010, 05:55 PM
I agree with you. Money talks and you know the rest.

Muschamp and his wife love it in Austin though. But with every year there being some top HC vacancy, Muschamp isn't going to want to continue telling all of these top tier programs "no" and wanting to be the DC forever. If he doesn't take this job, and next year some big time program especially one in the SEC offers him the HC job with a lot of mula, than I think he leaves. Texas won't get to keep him forever as the DC. I wish Texas could replace Mack Brown with him right now. If Muschamp were to leave right now, I can almost guarantee you that a ton of Longhorn fans would immediately bash him for it and call him a traitor and stuff like that. Not me though. You can't blame someone for taking a great opportunity in life. You only live once, so you should do what makes you happy as long as you're not hurting others.

Really I'm fine with Mack there and HC, but I really would like to see Greg Davis go.

Like I said I expect Muschamp to get a pay raise shortly that will make it even harder to leave Austin. Really I think Muschamp has got a pretty good deal at UT. Mack does the recruiting in the best football state in the US and Muschamp gets to coach top tier talent.

Texecutioner
01-13-2010, 06:06 PM
Really I'm fine with Mack there and HC, but I really would like to see Greg Davis go.

I agree about Davis, but with Mack you get Davis as a package deal. Texas tried to fire Davis years ago right before VY got there and Mack told them if Davis goes he goes. He has unconditional loyalty towards Davis, so we'll always have Davis as long as we have Mack.

Like I said I expect Muschamp to get a pay raise shortly that will make it even harder to leave Austin. Really I think Muschamp has got a pretty good deal at UT. Mack does the recruiting in the best football state in the US and Muschamp gets to coach top tier talent.

He deserves another pay raise and I hope that he gets one. Yeah, Mack has always been able to recruit. No argument there. I think Muschamp could recruit just as good though if given the opportunity and hoping he never leaves us for a HC gig, I can't wait to see what he does as a recruiter.

Wolf6151
01-14-2010, 07:00 PM
I think Kiffin is a douche bag, I've lost respect for him and hope the USC fails with him. I think Muschamp should take the Tennessee job, and I think that he'd be very good at recruiting. I wish Tennessee all the best in their new head coach search.

b0ng
01-15-2010, 11:55 AM
I think Kiffin is a douche bag, I've lost respect for him and hope the USC fails with him. I think Muschamp should take the Tennessee job, and I think that he'd be very good at recruiting. I wish Tennessee all the best in their new head coach search.

Welp, that ain't gonna happen:

Derek Dooley, ya'll (http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20100115/SPORTS/100115014)

I Love Everything.

More confirmation (http://www.wrcbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11829306).

Goldensilence
01-15-2010, 12:14 PM
Welp, that ain't gonna happen:

Derek Dooley, ya'll (http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20100115/SPORTS/100115014)

I Love Everything.

More confirmation (http://www.wrcbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11829306).

Interesting hire by Tenn.

Thought it was kind of left field, but the first articles says he's been on Saban's staff at LSU and was the recruiting coordinator that landed two top classes.

Not sure about his coaching ability at LA Tech, but then again it's probably not easy to coach and win there, but not a bad background.

Texecutioner
01-15-2010, 12:28 PM
Interesting hire by Tenn.

Thought it was kind of left field, but the first articles says he's been on Saban's staff at LSU and was the recruiting coordinator that landed two top classes.

Not sure about his coaching ability at LA Tech, but then again it's probably not easy to coach and win there, but not a bad background.

Well I'm happy about this. I just wanted Tennessee to hire someone, so I could be completely sure that Muschamp wasn't leaving even though he said he was going to stay. You can never trust what these coaches say these days.

Sounds like a good hire though for Tennessee considering the fact that everyone else was turning them down.

b0ng
01-15-2010, 12:43 PM
I don't think Dooley is going to do squat at UT. I'm also willing to bet Hamilton will get fired very soon.

They got turned down by the HC of Duke. DUKE.

bah007
01-15-2010, 02:14 PM
I don't think Dooley is going to do squat at UT. I'm also willing to bet Hamilton will get fired very soon.

They got turned down by the HC of Duke. DUKE.

Just to set the record straight: Cutliffe didn't turn down the job because he thought it was a bad job. It would be an upward move for him. He turned it down because he is best friends with Phil Fulmer, who was fired two years ago for reasons that Cutliffe doesn't agree with. He has said that he will never again work in any capacity with Tennessee because of the way they treated Fulmer.

TexanSam
01-15-2010, 03:13 PM
Why did they fire Fulmer in the first place?

WWJD
01-15-2010, 03:49 PM
Wasn't Fulmer asked politely to retire?

I think the program was just in decline win wise.

I imagine the fans were screaming for them to do something..they have a 100K stadium they pack every week. Must please the masses.

b0ng
01-15-2010, 04:40 PM
Just to set the record straight: Cutliffe didn't turn down the job because he thought it was a bad job. It would be an upward move for him. He turned it down because he is best friends with Phil Fulmer, who was fired two years ago for reasons that Cutliffe doesn't agree with. He has said that he will never again work in any capacity with Tennessee because of the way they treated Fulmer.

I think it speaks volumes about your school when your program gets turned down by a coach, for whom the job would be a massive step higher. Also, I think it's really funny that the program that fired it's storied HC that put them on the map is now having problems finding his replacement 2 years later and are having to ask Derick Dooley (Is he really an upgrade from Kip Brown or Fulmer himself?) to coach their program.

WWJD
01-15-2010, 04:54 PM
All this has surprised me.

I always thought UT was one of the premier college jobs. Huge following. Get loads of national coverage.

I'm not getting why this program has fallen so far. Maybe that's overexaggerating it but I would think they'd have a line of quality coaches ready to take over the Vols program.

b0ng
01-15-2010, 05:00 PM
All this has surprised me.

I always thought UT was one of the premier college jobs. Huge following. Get loads of national coverage.

I'm not getting why this program has fallen so far. Maybe that's overexaggerating it but I would think they'd have a line of quality coaches ready to take over the Vols program.

Their recruiting class this year is totally screwed due to when Kiffin left and how long it's taken for them to find a replacement. The AD at Tennessee is already on the ropes for making the buyout for Kiffin so low (800k, which i'm sure is pocket change to some USC donors), and they are being investigated for recruiting violations.

Sure it's a major school in a BCS conference, but as was alluded to earlier, some coaches didn't like how they handled Fulmer.

WWJD
01-15-2010, 06:27 PM
Their recruiting class this year is totally screwed due to when Kiffin left and how long it's taken for them to find a replacement. The AD at Tennessee is already on the ropes for making the buyout for Kiffin so low (800k, which i'm sure is pocket change to some USC donors), and they are being investigated for recruiting violations.

Sure it's a major school in a BCS conference, but as was alluded to earlier, some coaches didn't like how they handled Fulmer.

Maybe Peyton can be encouraged to retire after this season and he'll go back to UT...for his first coaching gig!

:)

mariowillshine15
01-15-2010, 06:58 PM
Just to set the record straight: Cutliffe didn't turn down the job because he thought it was a bad job. It would be an upward move for him. He turned it down because he is best friends with Phil Fulmer, who was fired two years ago for reasons that Cutliffe doesn't agree with. He has said that he will never again work in any capacity with Tennessee because of the way they treated Fulmer.

I believe Cutcliffe wanted the job but was told he'd have to keep most of the assistant coaches from Kiffins staff and he didnt want to do that.

4Texans
01-15-2010, 07:28 PM
Why did they fire Fulmer in the first place?

Here's a pretty good summary of their coaching history going back to Majors that someone put on Texags.com.
http://www.texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=1561944&forum_id=5
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Vol fans of a certain age always looked at Johnny Majors, two-time SEC MVP and runner up for the 1956 Heisman Trophy, as a god and the key to making Tennessee a power in the SEC. Majors did very well at Pitt while Bill Battle went .723 at Tennessee between 1970 and 1976.

Unfortunately, Battle didn't beat Alabama enough. The fact that he was also a Bama letterman didn't help, and the big money Vols of the era threw Battle overboard and brought Majors in after he won the MNC at Pitt.

Majors took a bit to get up to speed but was winning within a couple of years. Three SEC championships in the 1980s and a near-miss at the MNC. Phil Fulmer was Majors' OL coach and then OC, and he was very well connected those upcoming big $$ guys who were too young to remember Majors' glory days. Incidentally, Fulmer and Phil Garner were roommates during their time at UT.

Comes 1992. Majors complains publically about his contract during spring banquets around the state, causing much consternation with high $$ boosters. He has a near heart attack and has bypass surgery just as the season begins, leaving Fulmer to lead the team in his absence.

(It's still hard for longtime Knoxvillians like my family to figure out how Johnny could have had blocked arteries since his blood was 10% Jack Daniels most of the time. He was well known for showing up at the Sigma Chi house after games. The joys of life before cell phone cameras.}

Fulmer goes 5-0. Johnny comes back and goes 0-3, a stretch during which the student section chanted "BLOCK THAT ARTERY!" A power struggle ensues with Fulmer engaging in all sorts of intrigue with the AD, Doug Dickey - who also coached Fulmer. Politically, Majors never had a chance - and many long-time Vols were disgusted with the open backstabbing in which Phil indulged.

In a scenario that will strike most Aggies as very familiar, Fulmer won early with Majors' recruits, eventually winning two SEC championships and the 1998 MNC. But he never beat Florida with any consistency. The seniors on the 1998 MNC team lost only five games, three of which were to Florida and one to Memphis (!). This is the time when Spurrier - a native Tennessean - makes the pronouncement that "You can�t spell 'Citrus Bowl' without UT." He�d rack up wins in front of 105,000 against lesser teams, then get pounded by Florida or Alabama, even occasionally blowing up against Memphis, Vanderbilt, Mississsippi State or even Wyoming. He�s got a reputation for being a bit slimy on the recruiting trail. Every year, a Fulmer recruit was arrested, and not for piddling stuff.

Comes 2003, Coach Dickey retires and costs Fulmer his biggest political backer. His replacement changes ticket policy and requires donations for good seats for the first time, resulting in a lot of outrage. The dissatisfaction grows for so many just as Fulmer starts to slip on the field. He has a whopping 4 career wins against Meyer, Richt and Saban, and it's apparent that Meyer�s game is far, far past anything Fulmer could ever develop. So, in 2008, he's forced to resign mid-season � and walks away with $15 million, thanks to the new contract he had signed just the year before. Old Vols hate him and new Vols hate him while middle-age Vols are ambivalent at best.

I'm no Fulmer fan by any stretch, but I did think they should have given him another year. Cutcliffe's potential return makes the current Vols fan feel an order of magnitude more depressed than Aggies were at the prospect of Bennett coming in as DC.

Here's an indication of how bad support is now: they had backing to offer $21 million over 7 years to Muschamp and close to that for Calhoun. That money evaporated when Cutcliffe came into play. Thanks to Fulmer's buyout the perennially sold-out Vols can�t swing a $3 million buyout of the assistant coaches that Kiffin insisted upon.

I wouldn't want to be Mike Hamilton

b0ng
01-15-2010, 07:52 PM
He�s got a reputation for being a bit slimy on the recruiting trail. Every year, a Fulmer recruit was arrested, and not for piddling stuff.



They don't call it the Fulmer Cup for no reason (http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2010/01/14/lo-the-fulmer-cup-beginneth/#more-14230)

TD
01-16-2010, 02:21 PM
I love the south...:)

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_ncaaf_experts__31/ept_sports_ncaaf_experts-211458893-1263561810.jpg?ymSBghCDvhDerprj

Blake
01-18-2010, 02:08 PM
I'll take this comment as a lack to form a reasonable rebuttal. You're trying to criticize one man for something while ignoring it on the other. Sorry, but that's hypocritical and that's a double standard that you're putting on Kiffin. I haven't heard you say one thing that was any different from your initial comments and all you've brought up were recruits and tried to excuse Carroll because he was going to the NFL instead of another coaching job in college football which is no different and you know it.



I am immoral and sleazy for saying that I would take on a better opportunity at a job that I had been ambitiously wanting for years and years? Lol!

Get off of your high horse already. I think you're full of it.

I dont know why I even bother replying here. I dont expect anything new from you. Just a copy/paste of your old posts.

But yes, you would be immoral and sleazy for leaving Tennessee and your players after that 1 season they had for USC. Unless you think leaving your recruits, the university, and the fan base out to dry is cool. Then what more is there to say?

And what is with all the high horse talk? I prefer the soapbox myself.

Blake
01-18-2010, 02:12 PM
From Peter Kings MMQB today.

***
This Lane Kiffin story really ticks me off.
The gall of Kiffin. The unmitigated, outrageous gall of this kid. And the idiocy of Tennessee apparently giving Kiffin -- when, let's be honest, what options did he have coming off his disastrous 5-15 run with the Raiders? -- an $800,000 buyout after one year of his contract. But I blame Kiffin far more. Tennessee bought out Phil Fulmer's coaching staff, then brought in Kiffin and his staff (including his father, Monte, for a reported $1-million-a-year deal to be a college defensive coordinator) and the minute there's an opening at USC, Lane Kiffin bolts ... in the prime part of recruiting season, a terrible time to hire a coaching staff.
I wonder if Kiffin ever said to a single recruit since getting hired by Tennessee 13-plus months ago, "USC's my dream job, so if it ever opens up, I've got to go?'' Of course not. I'm sure the conversation was something like, "Come to Tennessee, I'm going to be here a long, long time, and we're going to win a national championship together.''
One 7-6 season. After Tennessee rescued a tarnished Kiffin. After Tennessee's athletics department backed Kiffin through six secondary recruiting violations, and after Tennessee backed Kiffin in a potential violation of having campus "hostesses'' make "visits'' to recruits all over the southeast.
And he's rewarded by another institution of higher learning (and I type that with as much sarcasm as I can muster), making him even richer than if he'd stayed at Tennessee .
Where's the decency? The maturity? The gratitude? The simple sense of even a pinch of loyalty?
My favorite part of this story is that Kiffin left Tennessee so hurriedly that he didn't even bother to call his brother-in-law, the brother of his wife, who was also his quarterbacks coach at Tennessee . The New York Times reported David Reaves found out Kiffin was bolting when he saw the news on TV at a local restaurant.

Texecutioner
01-18-2010, 02:43 PM
I dont know why I even bother replying here. I dont expect anything new from you. Just a copy/paste of your old posts.

But yes, you would be immoral and sleazy for leaving Tennessee and your players after that 1 season they had for USC. Unless you think leaving your recruits, the university, and the fan base out to dry is cool. Then what more is there to say?

And what is with all the high horse talk? I prefer the soapbox myself.

Man, you certainly are hypocritical not only with the way you criticize college coaches, but also with your own responses. First off I challenged several of your points and ellaborated on my counter points and brought new points after my first response to you, and then when you couldn't muster up a reasonable response and were ill equipped to continue the discussion civilly, so you come back with this garbage about saying the same thing only to quote me again for YOU to say the EXACT SAME THING. How about trying to take your own advice, even though you weren't even accurate with it in the first place.



Funny how now you try posting an article about the University standing behind Kiffin with possible recruiting violations that were never actually proven because Tennessee was never even punished, but yet you completely forget that USC had a horrible investigation involving Reggie Bush while Pete Carroll was there and then just had another one involving Joe Mcnight. Do you even know who Joe Mcnight is? Are you even aware of this at all? USC has been involved in more recruiting scandals than any school I can think of in the last ten years, yet you continually ignore that.

And why aren't you whining about Rich Rodriguez, or the HC that just left Cinci out of nowhere? Do you even realize that this stuff happens every season in college football when HC's get offered new jobs and different opportunities?

You might want to pay more attention to the sport and the politics that have been involved in this sport if you're going to stand on your high horse or soap box and point fingers and chastise people who challenge your rantings. And before you come back with the same line of "You're just saying the same thing" garbage, do yourself a favor and read up on some of this stuff for a change so we can at least be on the same wave length here.

Blake
01-18-2010, 03:32 PM
Man, you certainly are hypocritical not only with the way you criticize college coaches, but also with your own responses. First off I challenged several of your points and ellaborated on my counter points and brought new points after my first response to you, and then when you couldn't muster up a reasonable response and were ill equipped to continue the discussion civilly, so you come back with this garbage about saying the same thing only to quote me again for YOU to say the EXACT SAME THING. How about trying to take your own advice, even though you weren't even accurate with it in the first place.

Funny how now you try posting an article about the University standing behind Kiffin with possible recruiting violations that were never actually proven because Tennessee was never even punished, but yet you completely forget that USC had a horrible investigation involving Reggie Bush while Pete Carroll was there and then just had another one involving Joe McKnight. Do you even know who Joe McKnight is? Are you even aware of this at all? USC has been involved in more recruiting scandals than any school I can think of in the last ten years, yet you continually ignore that.

I am well aware of Joe McKnight, the USC scandals and the Tenn. recruiting violations, including the Hostesses. I posted the Peter King article to show you that even some of the media thinks the guy is a slug. Not just me. And I didn't post it to debate about the schools scandals. Thatís your problem. You focus on the wrong stuff. You missed the entire point of me posting his article.

Also, you keep saying that this stuff happens all the time. And you are both right and wrong. Yes, there are coaching changes every off season. But each coaching change is different, with different circumstances. I canít understand how you see Pete Carroll leaving USC after 9 years and 2 BCS championships to coach the Seahawks, is the same as Kiffin leaving Tenn. after 1 year, and a 7-6 record, directly after a 2 year disaster stint with the Raiders where he was 5-15 and was fired by the owner for being a ****ty coach, to coach USC!



And why aren't you whining about Rich Rodriguez, or the HC that just left Cinci out of nowhere? Do you even realize that this stuff happens every season in college football when HC's get offered new jobs and different opportunities?

You might want to pay more attention to the sport and the politics that have been involved in this sport if you're going to stand on your high horse or soap box and point fingers and chastise people who challenge your rantings.

The HC that just left Cincy? You donít abbreviate Cincinnati with Cinci smart guy. Oh wait, I am the one who needs to brush up on my sports knowledge. You mean Brian Kelly? Maybe you are the one who needs to pay more attention to the sport.

Was Brian Kelly called a "flat-out liar", or that he was guilty of "bringing disgrace to the organization" by Al Davis? Was Brian Kelly the one Tom Cable said he had lost respect for? I donít think so. That was Lane Kiffin.

Brian Kelly is the guy that took Cincy from nobody in the East, to a BCS game and almost a BCS title game.

And I donít think we have to be reminded of what Carroll did for USC by reviving it. What has Kiffin donít for anyone? Nothing!

Same goes for Rich Rodriquez. He was one of the most successful coaches in West Virginia History. I dont even need to go into his accomplishments.

And donít get me wrong. I am not giving Carroll, Rich, or Kelly a free pass. But they are nowhere near the pile of trash Lane Kiffin is. Not even close.

And before you come back with the same line of "You're just saying the same thing" garbage, do yourself a favor and read up on some of this stuff for a change so we can at least be on the same wave length here.

We will never be on the same page. You have the mindset that if other coaches leave, then Kiffin should be able to leave as well. Well welcome to the real world. Everything is not black and white. And until you understand that we will never see eye to eye.

Texecutioner
01-18-2010, 03:48 PM
I am well aware of Joe McKnight, the USC scandals and the Tenn. recruiting violations, including the Hostesses. I posted the Peter King article to show you that even some of the media thinks the guy is a slug. Not just me. And I didn't post it to debate about the schools scandals. Thatís your problem. You focus on the wrong stuff. You missed the entire point of me posting his article.

Also, you keep saying that this stuff happens all the time. And you are both right and wrong. Yes, there are coaching changes every off season. But each coaching change is different, with different circumstances. I canít understand how you see Pete Carroll leaving USC after 9 years and 2 BCS championships to coach the Seahawks, is the same as Kiffin leaving Tenn. after 1 year, and a 7-6 record, directly after a 2 year disaster stint with the Raiders where he was 5-15 and was fired by the owner for being a ****ty coach, to coach USC!




The HC that just left Cincy? You donít abbreviate Cincinnati with Cinci smart guy. Oh wait, I am the one who needs to brush up on my sports knowledge. You mean Brian Kelly? Maybe you are the one who needs to pay more attention to the sport.

Was Brian Kelly called a "flat-out liar", or that he was guilty of "bringing disgrace to the organization" by Al Davis? Was Brian Kelly the one Tom Cable said he had lost respect for? I donít think so. That was Lane Kiffin.

Brian Kelly is the guy that took Cincy from nobody in the East, to a BCS game and almost a BCS title game.

And I donít think we have to be reminded of what Carroll did for USC by reviving it. What has Kiffin donít for anyone? Nothing!

Same goes for Rich Rodriquez. He was one of the most successful coaches in West Virginia History. I dont even need to go into his accomplishments.

And donít get me wrong. I am not giving Carroll, Rich, or Kelly a free pass. But they are nowhere near the pile of trash Lane Kiffin is. Not even close.



We will never be on the same page. You have the mindset that if other coaches leave, then Kiffin should be able to leave as well. Well welcome to the real world. Everything is not black and white. And until you understand that we will never see eye to eye.

Are you honestly going to try and use AL Davis's words to try and belittle Lane Kiffin? Really? Al Davis is a disgrace to the NFL and has made a mockery of that franchise. Kiffin actually coached well there for what he had on his plate. No coach in thus entire decade other than Art Shell can be criticized for what they did in Oakland. Surely you can see that, and if not this is just a personal thing you have with Kiffin.


Now other than that, I won't go much further because we simply won't agree here and I'd rather just agree to disagree since neither one of us will see eye to eye like you mentioned, but you can't sit here and blame someone for taking on a great opportunity that they've always wanted. Do you honestly think Kiffin would have taken that job had he known that the USC job would be offered to him the very next season? Of course he wouldn't have, but he can't look into the future. Pete Carroll has said numerous times that he's been wanting to go to an NFL team for years, but he just wanted full control, so he might have left after one season had he gotten full control as well. If you think that tons of college coaches wouldn't have left their HC gigs at other schools to coach at USC, then I just don't know what else to tell you. USC is a top 3 job in college football. Maybe the #1 job. You only live once, and you should take the opportunities that make you happy and that please you. Kiffin took a better job that was a much better situation for him. People do that in all types of careers. It's nothing new. People do what's best for them, just like a company does what's best for them.

Blake
01-18-2010, 03:55 PM
Sorry if I came off as a jerk here Tex. Lets just move on to another wonderful topic!

/thread.

Texecutioner
01-18-2010, 06:20 PM
Sorry if I came off as a jerk here Tex. Lets just move on to another wonderful topic!

/thread.

Cool man. We obviously won't agree here. It's all good man. Agree to disagree.

We'll have to to just wait and see what happens in the next few seasons any way.