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beerlover
01-11-2010, 12:15 PM
#1 St. Louis - Ndamukong Suh, DT Nebraska

#2 Detroit - u-Gerald McCoy, DT Oklahoma

#3 Tampa Bay - u-Eric Berry, DB Tennessee

#4 Washington - u-Sam Bradford, QB Oklahoma

#5 Kansas City - u-Anthony Davis, OT Rutgers

#6 Seattle - u-Jimmy Clausen, QB Notre Dame

#7 Cleveland - u-Joe Haden, CB Florida

#8 Oakland - u-Derrick Morgan, DE/OLB Gerogia Tech

#9 Buffalo - Russell Okung, OT Oklahoma State

#10 Jacksonville - u-Rolando McClain, LB Alabama

#11 Denver (from Chicago) - u-Dez Bryant, WR Oklahoma State

#12 Miami - u-Golden Tate, WR Notre Dame

#13 San Francisco - u-Earl Thomas, DB Texas

#14 Seattle - Charles Brown, OT USC

#15 New York Giants - Brandon Spikes, LB Florida

#16 San Franciso - Trent Williams, OT Oklahoma

#17 Tennessee - Dan Williams, DT Tennessee

#18 Pittsburgh - u-Bryan Bulaga, OT Iowa

#19 Atlanta - u-Carlos Dunlap, DE Florida

#20 Houston - C.J.Spiller, RB Clemson

#21 Cincinnati - Taylor Mays, DB USC

#22 New England - u-Bruce Campbell, OT Maryland

#23 Green Bay - Mike Iupati, OG Utah

#24 Philadelphia - u-Everson Griffith, RDE USC

#25 Baltimore - Jermaine Gresham, TE Oklahoma

#26 Arizona - Javier Arenas, DB/KR Alabama

#27 New York Jets - u-Damian Wiliams, WR USC

#28 Dallas - Terrence Cody, NT Alabama

#29 Minnesota - u-Donovan Warren, CB Michigan

#30 San Diego - u-Ryan Mathews, RB Fresno State

#31 New Orleans - Corey Wootton, DE Northwestern

#32 Indianapolis - u-Brian Price, DT UCLA

* u- denotes underclassman

badboy
01-11-2010, 12:31 PM
Looks like you are thinking Slaton may not heal 100%? I am ok with this pick but you better pick up a power back later. Joiqe Bell?

beerlover
01-11-2010, 12:54 PM
Looks like you are thinking Slaton may not heal 100%? I am ok with this pick but you better pick up a power back later. Joiqe Bell?

there are three quality RB's @ the top, well maybe four if you consider Jonathan Dwyer? they are Ryan Mathews, Fresno State 5-11 220, Toby Gerhart, 6-1 235 & CJ Spiller 5-11 195. In my ratings Spiller is the clear #1 RB in this class, hence should be the 1st RB off the board.

studying Ryan who was my personel favorite I discoverd his teammate Senior Lonyae Miller, 5-11 215, very impressed with him & did not get the exposure because Ryan got the majority of reps. The Texans have two 6th rd. picks so I would use one of those on him thus giving you a RB by committee of Spiller, Slaton, Foster, Moats, Miller.

“The ovation that C.J. Spiller received was very special. I can’t remember going to a graduation anywhere and seeing the Board of Trustees recognize a student-athlete like that. It certainly shows the level of respect C.J. has on this campus. It is well deserved.”

Spiller has already graduated (Dec. 17th) seems as solid off the field as on. A characteristic not lost with the Texans organization principles.

JWarren14
01-11-2010, 01:10 PM
CJ Spiller FTW!

Helps the RB situation and gives us a KR/PR with explosive play ability.

Like the pick.

badboy
01-11-2010, 01:15 PM
there are three quality RB's @ the top, well maybe four if you consider Jonathan Dwyer? they are Ryan Mathews, Fresno State 5-11 220, Toby Gerhart, 6-1 235 & CJ Spiller 5-11 195. In my ratings Spiller is the clear #1 RB in this class, hence should be the 1st RB off the board.

studying Ryan who was my personel favorite I discoverd his teammate Senior Lonyae Miller, 5-11 215, very impressed with him & did not get the exposure because Ryan got the majority of reps. The Texans have two 6th rd. picks so I would use one of those on him thus giving you a RB by committee of Spiller, Slaton, Foster, Moats, Miller.

Spiller has already graduated (Dec. 17th) seems as solid off the field as on. A characteristic not lost with the Texans organization principles.I don't think 215 qualifies for power back imo. Maybe if he can add 10 lbs or so of muscle? One of those 5 has to go to PS and unless Miller explodes on the scene...

A bigger line should help in red zone but I want a big boy ploughing in.

infantrycak
01-11-2010, 01:21 PM
I don't think 215 qualifies for power back imo.

Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, LT, Priest Holmes and Terrell Davis disagree. Unless the definition of power back is a circular one of big back then lots of the best short yardage and interior runners have been under 215 lbs.

Honoring Earl 34
01-11-2010, 01:23 PM
Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, LT, Priest Holmes and Terrell Davis disagree.

I thought Ray Rice looked good .

beerlover
01-11-2010, 01:33 PM
I don't think 215 qualifies for power back imo. Maybe if he can add 10 lbs or so of muscle? One of those 5 has to go to PS and unless Miller explodes on the scene...

A bigger line should help in red zone but I want a big boy ploughing in.

ZBS power back is someone w/quick, explosive first step who he can hit holes before a defense can react.

infantrycak
01-11-2010, 01:44 PM
I thought Ray Rice looked good .

As does MJD.

badboy
01-11-2010, 01:51 PM
Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, LT, Priest Holmes and Terrell Davis disagree. Unless the definition of power back is a circular one of big back then lots of the best short yardage and interior runners have been under 215 lbs.I think the backs you named had better Olines but I could be wrong. There are always exceptions but I say go with a bigger back in our situation. Of course I was wrong on having to have a huge DT to shut down the run.

badboy
01-11-2010, 01:52 PM
ZBS power back is someone w/quick, explosive first step who he can hit holes before a defense can react.Well Slaton and Moats are all we need then.

Ole Miss Texan
01-11-2010, 01:53 PM
Good job as usual beerlover.

I like the the Clausen/Brown picks to Seattle... especially with Carroll signing.

Spiller is an interesting choice. I don't buy into the whole "Kubiak will never draft a RB or OL in the 1st round mentality". Not my favorite pick for us but I understand it. He's a playmaker and would really help out our run game.

Interesting having Arenas in the 1st round. I'm not sure if he's ever going to be a starting corner in the league though. I can see him doing well in nickle packages and obviously return duties. Not sure if his return skills boosts him all the way into the 1st.... not a bad pick if he sees the field enough on defense. He can definitely change the momentum in a game.

And I totally see Golden Tate getting interest from teams in the 1st.

beerlover
01-11-2010, 02:14 PM
Good job as usual beerlover.

I like the the Clausen/Brown picks to Seattle... especially with Carroll signing.

Spiller is an interesting choice. I don't buy into the whole "Kubiak will never draft a RB or OL in the 1st round mentality". Not my favorite pick for us but I understand it. He's a playmaker and would really help out our run game.

Interesting having Arenas in the 1st round. I'm not sure if he's ever going to be a starting corner in the league though. I can see him doing well in nickle packages and obviously return duties. Not sure if his return skills boosts him all the way into the 1st.... not a bad pick if he sees the field enough on defense. He can definitely change the momentum in a game.

And I totally see Golden Tate getting interest from teams in the 1st.

Arenas has been ascending up my draft board for weeks, culminating off his BCS outstanding playmaking game (2 INT's). I recognize nobody has him this high in the country, but I could see him going even higher to Philadelphia #24 because short of Asante Samuel, 5-10 Sheldon Brown is not getting it done.

Javier is ready for the NFL both physically & mentally. he is a power-pack of intensity, he will be an impact player as a rookie, more complete coming out than Buffalo 2nd rd. pick from Oregon converted CB to FS Jarius Byrd who was outstanding & lone bright spot for Buffalo.

Ole Miss I know you'll appreciate this, I have the same sure feeling about him as I did about Patrick Willis :evil:

beerlover
01-11-2010, 02:15 PM
Well Slaton and Moats are all we need then.

Slaton did as a rookie, he was lighter in fact & more explosive :pop:

HOU-TEX
01-11-2010, 02:18 PM
If history's any indication, I doubt we'll be looking at RB until round 3. Personally, I think we'll be looking at a player in the trenches and/or a DB in the first 2 rounds.

beerlover
01-11-2010, 02:24 PM
I really tried to go BPA with every pick fully expecting several of these prospects to rise up boards in the next four months, who knows for sure? the fact the Texans wound up taking the 1st RB off the board was #1 BPA & #2 Need, it just fell into place that way I had no agenda to select C.J. Spiller for the Texans. If truth be told I wanted Charles Brown, who is a converted TE, obvious athletic with elite measureables to play LT but with Carrol heading to Seattle & their need to take a QB & OT to protect him I could not in all fairness project him to be available @ #20 :chef:

badboy
01-11-2010, 02:31 PM
Slaton did as a rookie, he was lighter in fact & more explosive :pop:Oh.. how many TDs from Red Zone or first and short did he get up the middle?:chickendance:

JB
01-11-2010, 02:38 PM
What do you guys think of Ben Tate? Should be available in the 3rd or 4th.

infantrycak
01-11-2010, 02:39 PM
I think the backs you named had better Olines but I could be wrong. There are always exceptions but I say go with a bigger back in our situation. Of course I was wrong on having to have a huge DT to shut down the run.

Over the course of NFL history the big back theory has largely been proven wrong. If you are looking for short yardage you need a RB with vision and an ability to make short space corrections. If all you needed was size teams would be running their FBs in short yardage situations. Instead there are guys like Emmitt who yes had a great OL but took full advantage of it on his own fantastic vision and his short space ability to turn a body or shoulder tackle into an arm tackle and then run through it or to reach out and grab an arm and redirect it as he ran past. There's a reason the single season TD records haven't been held by big RBs. Only 2 of the top 10 are over 225 lbs and none over 230 lbs. I use Emmitt as the primary example because he was never a CJ scoring off speed. Emmitt was a power RB who ran right up the gut and played at his heaviest at 215 lbs.

Goldensilence
01-11-2010, 02:43 PM
Oh.. how many TDs from Red Zone or first and short did he get up the middle?:chickendance:

IMO that's just as much on playcalling. When you've got a guy with the speed Slaton has why not have him try and make the corner on a toss or stretch play?

Icak did a great job of pointing out that some of the best goal line backs aren't the ones that weigh 2 tons.

To me a power running game is more on the OL then it is on the size of a back.

JB
01-11-2010, 02:44 PM
Over the course of NFL history the big back theory has largely been proven wrong. If you are looking for short yardage you need a RB with vision and an ability to make short space corrections. If all you needed was size teams would be running their FBs in short yardage situations. Instead there are guys like Emmitt who yes had a great OL but took full advantage of it on his own fantastic vision and his short space ability to turn a body or shoulder tackle into an arm tackle and then run through it or to reach out and grab an arm and redirect it as he ran past. There's a reason the single season TD records haven't been held by big RBs. Only 2 of the top 10 are over 225 lbs and none over 230 lbs. I use Emmitt as the primary example because he was never a CJ scoring off speed. Emmitt was a power RB who ran right up the gut and played at his heaviest at 215 lbs.

But he had terrific leg drive and could push the pile when he needed a yard

beerlover
01-11-2010, 02:46 PM
Oh.. how many TDs from Red Zone or first and short did he get up the middle?:chickendance:

all I can remember is about 9 TD's can't remember how or where he got them point is he got them.

Honoring Earl 34
01-11-2010, 02:54 PM
IMO that's just as much on playcalling. When you've got a guy with the speed Slaton has why not have him try and make the corner on a toss or stretch play?

Icak did a great job of pointing out that some of the best goal line backs aren't the ones that weigh 2 tons.

To me a power running game is more on the OL then it is on the size of a back.


All time TD leaders .
1. Emmitt Smith 164 1990-2004 2TM
2. LaDainian Tomlinson (30) 138 2001-2009 sdg
3. Marcus Allen+ 123 1982-1997 2TM
4. Walter Payton+ 110 1975-1987 chi
5. Jim Brown+ 106 1957-1965 cle
6. John Riggins+ 104 1971-1985 2TM
7. Shaun Alexander 100 2000-2008 2TM
Marshall Faulk 100 1994-2005 2TM
9. Barry Sanders+ 99 1989-1998 det
10. Jerome Bettis 91 1993-2005 2TM
Franco Harris+

infantrycak
01-11-2010, 02:58 PM
But he had terrific leg drive and could push the pile when he needed a yard

Sure and so do Ray Rice, MJD, so did Payton. That kind of leg drive is not unique to people over 225 lbs either. I'd even argue what you typically see in 230+ RBs are taller guys with correspondingly longer legs and that shorter legs are better at that kind of leg drive just like huge wingspan guys like LTs struggle in the 225 lb lift at the combine.

As an aside, after the Cowboys 1st SB win Aikman, Irwin and Emmitt had a competition to get to the lowest body fat and Emmitt lost a few lbs. I can't remember which was which but Irwin and Emmitt got to 5 and 7% with Aikman bringing up the rear at 10%.

Jackie Chiles
01-11-2010, 02:58 PM
I think Spiller would be a real nice fit because he can can make explosive plays in the running and passing game. Pair him up with Slaton and give Foster some time as well so none of them get too worn down. I doubt he lasts till 20 though. Starting to warm up to Best a bit myself. For the first time since Kubiak arrived I won't be shocked if they go RB in round 1. I don't think its the favorite but I believe its a possibility.

JB
01-11-2010, 03:23 PM
Sure and so do Ray Rice, MJD, so did Payton. That kind of leg drive is not unique to people over 225 lbs either. I'd even argue what you typically see in 230+ RBs are taller guys with correspondingly longer legs and that shorter legs are better at that kind of leg drive just like huge wingspan guys like LTs struggle in the 225 lb lift at the combine.

As an aside, after the Cowboys 1st SB win Aikman, Irwin and Emmitt had a competition to get to the lowest body fat and Emmitt lost a few lbs. I can't remember which was which but Irwin and Emmitt got to 5 and 7% with Aikman bringing up the rear at 10%.

I agree and imo that is the type of runner we need. Someone who runs with a lower center of gravity that will not be brought down with an arm tackle. I am starting to think of someone like Ben Tate.

badboy
01-11-2010, 03:48 PM
Over the course of NFL history the big back theory has largely been proven wrong. If you are looking for short yardage you need a RB with vision and an ability to make short space corrections. If all you needed was size teams would be running their FBs in short yardage situations. Instead there are guys like Emmitt who yes had a great OL but took full advantage of it on his own fantastic vision and his short space ability to turn a body or shoulder tackle into an arm tackle and then run through it or to reach out and grab an arm and redirect it as he ran past. There's a reason the single season TD records haven't been held by big RBs. Only 2 of the top 10 are over 225 lbs and none over 230 lbs. I use Emmitt as the primary example because he was never a CJ scoring off speed. Emmitt was a power RB who ran right up the gut and played at his heaviest at 215 lbs.I agree but just don't see and Emmett type back in draft. Of course, that probably could have been said about him also. I think a Gerhart who has shown his skill level consistently would do better than a Best for example. Just my opinion. We have had ony a modicum of success with free agent big backs but all of them (that I can recall anyway) have had injury problems. I'd like to see what someone like TG or even Dwyer could do behind a stronger Houston oline. Mark Ingram could be a good back for us with his style if he were elig.

rmartin65
01-11-2010, 07:19 PM
I just cant get behind the Spiller pick. Slaton is our explosive back. And how many of the little speed backs work out? You cite CJ, but there is a myriad of busts of little speed guys.

Other than that though, your draft looks good. I would not be surprised if this is how it goes down.

playa465
01-11-2010, 07:43 PM
#20 Houston - C.J.Spiller, RB Clemson

I'm still not fond of this pick, for some reason I don't get excited about this guy when he fits the Slaton mold

#28 Dallas - Terrence Cody, NT Alabama

Interesting that Mt Cody falls here especially when they have a beast in Ratliff who is still young...I cringe at that thought of Myers going up against either

steelbtexan
01-11-2010, 08:48 PM
BL as you know I'm a fix the trenches kind of guy. Smithiak never follow this philosopy and the Texans continually have RZ woes.

If Iupati or Campbell fall to the Texans They should run to the podium with their card to take one of them.

Campbell is one of the most physically gifted OT's to come out in a long time. (doubt he will fall to 20) I was a proponent of drafting J.Gaither (who's also from Maryland) in the supp. draft. Character ? kept Smithiak from drafting Gaither just like they will Campbell. Gaither will be a 10 yr starter barring injuries.

I'm hoping Dwyer who is the type of RB I'm looking for falls to the Texans in the 2nd rd.

Good catch on Miller, I dont know much about him but he's playing in the East/West Shrine. I will watch him.

I think the draft may fall a little differently than your mock because teams will reach more than you did to meet a need.

Great job on slotting the most talented players where they should go.

Great job, look forward to your post all star/scouting combine mocks.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-11-2010, 09:06 PM
Beerlover, I am assuming you will come up with Post-Senior Bowl Mock Darft as well right? You better, because I am looking forward to it.

Wolf6151
01-11-2010, 11:42 PM
What do you guys think of Ben Tate? Should be available in the 3rd or 4th.


I like Ben Tate and Montario Hardesty both should be good picks in the 3rd round and great value picks in the 4th round. Tate has good power and speed.

Texaninlild
01-12-2010, 12:12 AM
Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, LT, Priest Holmes and Terrell Davis disagree. Unless the definition of power back is a circular one of big back then lots of the best short yardage and interior runners have been under 215 lbs.

Exactly. We saw what 10 lbs of muscle did to Slaton. It totally changed his game. If it is not broke, don't fix it.

mariowillshine15
01-12-2010, 12:40 AM
I like Spiller or Jahvid Best. Both are really fast guys.

Spiller is more of an all around threat running, catching, returning while Best has better vision as a runner.

TexansSeminole
01-12-2010, 02:01 AM
I like this mock draft alot all around.

I would take a RB in the first round if I felt the guy was worth the pick. We need to improve our group of running backs if we want to make a difference in the playoffs. I'm not a big Spiller fan because I question his leg strength to run up the middle, but I could get behind a RB at 20. You never know who impresses at the Combine. I could see both Dwyer and Matthews shoot up the boards if they test well, because the production on the field is already there.

Spiller just reminds me of Reggie Bush. Don't get me wrong, he would be valuable to any team if he turns out like Reggie Bush did, but I just don't think that is what the Texans need. Slaton can do all of the same things Spiller can do for cheaper.

steelbtexan
01-12-2010, 02:40 AM
BL

What do you think of Amari Spievey CB from Iowa. Hee shut down Thomas in his bowl game. He is a great tackler. Norm Parker was his DB coach and he says he's the best DB that he's ever coached.

I hope he falls to the 2nd rd for the Texans. Like another DB that Parker coached at Iowa and fell to the 2nd rd where the Colts took him. (Sanders)

beerlover
01-12-2010, 02:50 AM
In the ACC Championship, Dryer rushed 24 times, 110 yards & 2 TD's. Spiller rushed 20 times, 234 yards & 4 TD's. He is not at all like Reggie Bush, he is more like Marshall Falk. He also doesn't have the supporting cast or help splitting carries so doesn't come out of games in key situations. CJ is an everydown franchise RB. Competition with Slaton should enhance both & from what we've seen the Texans could use the help.

beerlover
01-12-2010, 03:05 AM
BL

What do you think of Amari Spievey CB from Iowa. Hee shut down Thomas in his bowl game. He is a great tackler. Norm Parker was his DB coach and he says he's the best DB that he's ever coached.

I hope he falls to the 2nd rd for the Texans. Like another DB that Parker coached at Iowa and fell to the 2nd rd where the Colts took him. (Sanders)

I don't think you can go wrong with Iowa guys, their tough & well coached. I really like AJ Edds, he is one of the best cover LB's I've ever seen. Amari is coming out early, not super productive but could be another sleeper like Glover in the 4th. have to see how he does @ the combine in competition against rest of the group.

infantrycak
01-12-2010, 09:56 AM
BL as you know I'm a fix the trenches kind of guy. Smithiak never follow this philosopy and the Texans continually have RZ woes.

Huh? 1st round draft picks under Kubiak/Smithiak - DE, DT, OT, LB. One non-trench guy.

TexansSeminole
01-12-2010, 10:20 AM
In the ACC Championship, Dryer rushed 24 times, 110 yards & 2 TD's. Spiller rushed 20 times, 234 yards & 4 TD's. He is not at all like Reggie Bush, he is more like Marshall Falk. He also doesn't have the supporting cast or help splitting carries so doesn't come out of games in key situations. CJ is an everydown franchise RB. Competition with Slaton should enhance both & from what we've seen the Texans could use the help.

Hope your right, but I have watched enough of Spiller during his career to think otherwise.

beerlover
01-12-2010, 12:05 PM
Hope your right, but I have watched enough of Spiller during his career to think otherwise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxkNT9IxEu8

also should bring up the more obvious comparison & that is Chris Johnson of Tennessee. Both are yards from scrimmage guys, true but isn't it smart to incorporate as many options/weapons to an offensive scheme to make it dynamic? I scouted Chris Johnson, watched several East Carolina games & was impressed not only with his speed but ability to run between the tackles, yes between the tackles he attacked the line of scrimmage, then once breaking though initial point of contact blew out the hole like a shot. The Texans did not have a 2nd so I was trying to work him into mocks via trading down, Texans did trade down, to #26 while Heimerdinger convinced Fisher to take Chris Johnson #24. Spiller selected @ #20 is not a reach & would be the playmaker to balance the load with Andre Johnson not to mention add much needed infusion of talent & depth to staple of RB's.

"I believe he is a much better receiver than what they thought," Faulk said. "I was at the [scouting] combine when he was there and I didn't see his ability to catch the ball to be as much [of] an asset as it is for him right now. There is endless potential."

HOU-TEX
01-12-2010, 12:37 PM
I'm just getting started in this season's draft talk so don't rag on me too hard.

What do y'all think about getting Dwyer, RB from GT in the mid-rounds?

beerlover
01-12-2010, 12:56 PM
I'm just getting started in this season's draft talk so don't rag on me too hard.

What do y'all think about getting Dwyer, RB from GT in the mid-rounds?

Dwyer is a favorite power back prospect for many, he is still weighing his options if he wants to come out early or not. I don't see him as a 1st rd. back. 2nd rd. is about right, reminds me of Marion Barber, runs aggressive, in ZBS I think he could be a one cut downhill runner & complement a runner like Spiller/Slaton as did James Davis @ Clemson.

Looking at this mock, the Texans could trade down as there should be much interest in Spiller, take OG Iupati, draft Pouncey the stud Florida Center who is coming out early in 2nd & add Dwyer with extra pick (assuming the team who moves up offers a 2nd in return). A first day haul of OG Iupati, C Pouncey & RB Dwyer would be epic, transforming the Texans interior OL & running game in one fell swoop, but thats wishfull thinking, I'm trying to keep things real :)

Blake
01-12-2010, 01:23 PM
I could live without the Spiller pick. I think a safety, CB, or OL should be the pick.

According to your mock we passed on the following.

Bruce Campbell, OT Maryland - Kubiak may wish to slide Winston to guard, and start Campbell at RT giving us the potential of one hell of a line.

Mike Iupati, OG Utah - If ready slide Caldwell into center and Iupati can pair with Brisel for our guards.

Taylor Mays, DB USC or Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan - Depending how Dunta works out, corner or safety has been a top 2 need for years.

I just feel that the front office is going to be fine with Steve Slaton, Arian Foster, and maybe a Joe McNight, Toby Herhart, Ryan Mathews, Montario Hardesty, or Charles Scott in the 4th round.

HOU-TEX
01-13-2010, 05:04 PM
Dwyer is a favorite power back prospect for many, he is still weighing his options if he wants to come out early or not. I don't see him as a 1st rd. back. 2nd rd. is about right, reminds me of Marion Barber, runs aggressive, in ZBS I think he could be a one cut downhill runner & complement a runner like Spiller/Slaton as did James Davis @ Clemson.

Looking at this mock, the Texans could trade down as there should be much interest in Spiller, take OG Iupati, draft Pouncey the stud Florida Center who is coming out early in 2nd & add Dwyer with extra pick (assuming the team who moves up offers a 2nd in return). A first day haul of OG Iupati, C Pouncey & RB Dwyer would be epic, transforming the Texans interior OL & running game in one fell swoop, but thats wishfull thinking, I'm trying to keep things real :)

Georgia Tech RB Jonathan Dwyer will forgo his senior year and enter the NFL Draft.

Dwyer took over as the Yellow Jackets' starter after Tashard Choice graduated in 2008. The ACC Player of the Year as a sophomore, Dwyer's YPC average fell from 7.0 to 5.9 in 2009, but he improved his touchdown total from 13 to 14 and ran for 1,395 yards. The 20-year-old isn't a pass catcher, but at 6'0/235 has a Beanie Wells-like power back skill set. He'll be joined in the pros by Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan, who led the ACC with 12.5 sacks.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL&line=166190

badboy
01-13-2010, 05:10 PM
Dwyer is a favorite power back prospect for many, he is still weighing his options if he wants to come out early or not. I don't see him as a 1st rd. back. 2nd rd. is about right, reminds me of Marion Barber, runs aggressive, in ZBS I think he could be a one cut downhill runner & complement a runner like Spiller/Slaton as did James Davis @ Clemson.

Looking at this mock, the Texans could trade down as there should be much interest in Spiller, take OG Iupati, draft Pouncey the stud Florida Center who is coming out early in 2nd & add Dwyer with extra pick (assuming the team who moves up offers a 2nd in return). A first day haul of OG Iupati, C Pouncey & RB Dwyer would be epic, transforming the Texans interior OL & running game in one fell swoop, but thats wishfull thinking, I'm trying to keep things real :)Just stop it ok? Quit teasing.

TexansSeminole
01-13-2010, 05:30 PM
If we could get Dwyer or Morgan Burnett in round 2 at our selection, I would be giddy.

TexansSeminole
01-13-2010, 05:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxkNT9IxEu8

also should bring up the more obvious comparison & that is Chris Johnson of Tennessee. Both are yards from scrimmage guys, true but isn't it smart to incorporate as many options/weapons to an offensive scheme to make it dynamic? I scouted Chris Johnson, watched several East Carolina games & was impressed not only with his speed but ability to run between the tackles, yes between the tackles he attacked the line of scrimmage, then once breaking though initial point of contact blew out the hole like a shot. The Texans did not have a 2nd so I was trying to work him into mocks via trading down, Texans did trade down, to #26 while Heimerdinger convinced Fisher to take Chris Johnson #24. Spiller selected @ #20 is not a reach & would be the playmaker to balance the load with Andre Johnson not to mention add much needed infusion of talent & depth to staple of RB's.

Here's a Reggie Bush USC highlight video. It's alot of the same stuff you see in the CJ Spiller video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YcbWSoSBsM

Spiller probably played against better competition. Another thing I am not sold on about Spiller, outside of what I see as limited leg power, is pass protection. It's inconsistent at best.

Here is a highlight/lowlight video of Spiller. Start at about 2:20.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7GPt6OQw4E

beerlover
01-13-2010, 08:11 PM
I don't like comparing Reggie Bush to CJ Spiller it automatically casts a negative impression for reasons unrelated to C.J. Spillers indiviaual accomplishments & future as a prime time player in the NFL.

This hating on a divisional foe is not a first (Clemson plays in the ACC Atlantic with FSU) same thing with YoungTexan despising Big 12 North rival Missouri because of his beloved Kansas. It's understandable to a point but when it taint's your personel evals it makes your opinions less valued.

steelbtexan
01-13-2010, 09:30 PM
I haven't seen alot of Spiller but it doesn't appear that he hits the hole as hards as Johnson does. Instead he tries to break things outside.

That doesn't work in the NFL.

I could be wrong. BL obviously you've seen more of him than I have,what do you think?

beerlover
01-13-2010, 10:29 PM
I haven't seen alot of Spiller but it doesn't appear that he hits the hole as hards as Johnson does. Instead he tries to break things outside.

That doesn't work in the NFL.

I could be wrong. BL obviously you've seen more of him than I have,what do you think?

ACC > Conference USA advantage Spiller

Johnson rushed for 1,200 yards, 496 in receiving yards & 856 yards returning. He scored 22 TDs in his senior year.

Spiller rushed for 1,212 yards, 503 in receiving yards & 965 yards returning. He scored 16 TD's & threw for another his senior year.

seem pretty =

advantage Chris Johnson breaking the all time NFL record for yards from scrimmage.

both 5-11 195.

Will never be a lower the shoulder, fight for tough yards runner. However his performance throughout the season silenced a lot of doubts about his ability to withstand a pounding, run between the tackles and pass block. A complete back? maybe not but would be coveted 1st rd. impact player Texans could use in running game.

steelbtexan
01-13-2010, 10:45 PM
Thanks for the info.

Other than ST's how much different is Spiller than Slaton was his rookie year?

TexansSeminole
01-13-2010, 10:50 PM
I don't like comparing Reggie Bush to CJ Spiller it automatically casts a negative impression for reasons unrelated to C.J. Spillers indiviaual accomplishments & future as a prime time player in the NFL.

This hating on a divisional foe is not a first (Clemson plays in the ACC Atlantic with FSU) same thing with YoungTexan despising Big 12 North rival Missouri because of his beloved Kansas. It's understandable to a point but when it taint's your personel evals it makes your opinions less valued.

??

I've never been one to hate on a player for where he plays. Perhaps you don't remember last year when I was talking up Michael Hamlin from Clemson (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57569&highlight=Michael+Hamlin). Or when Mario Williams came out of NC State. Or when Aaron Curry and Alphonso Smith came out of Wake Forest last year. I sat out in the pouring rain at Doak Campbell Stadium and watched Wake Forest dominate FSU 30-0 and I still loved these two guys as prospects. I am constantly talking up players from the ACC Atlantic and ACC overall. I was the first person to shine the light on Clemson S DeAndre McDaniel this year.

Perhaps you ought to check post history before making such claims.

I just legitimately see Spiller as a McFadden/Bush type of back that has all the speed in the world but limited leg power. Last year I was talking up James Davis all year. Same school, same position. I promise you, it has nothing to do with any sort of bias.

Honoring Earl 34
01-13-2010, 11:08 PM
FWIW .

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2010/01/the_zreport_top_10_draft_prosp.html

mussop
01-14-2010, 12:27 AM
Posted this in another thread but it fits here so

#1A C.J. Spiller 5-10, 195 4.30 Clemson
Video Highlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wf0kC-w9lU)
Video Highlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6h-RM0VDBo&feature=fvw)

NFL comparison Reggie Bush/Chriss Johnson

Projection - first round

My case for Spiller - He is taylor made this offense. He not only gives our running game a boost with his crazy speed he is capable of improving our passing game. Watch the highlight videos above and you will see him turning the same screen plays we run into long TD runs.

However having a smaller back like Spiller would mean that we would have to continue to more of a pass to set up the run style ala Indy. Its not as big a stretch as some might think. We pretty much did it all year and did it well. You add Spiller to this years offense and I believe our 10 plus yard runs more than double. He also would improve our kickoff return game. Adding another big play threat like Spiller to our offense would make us one of the most dangerous offenses in the league.

Some will point out that he will have trouble in pass protection because of his size but that is going to be a problem with any rookie RB and I feel like his big play threat will nullify that enough to overlook it. Teams will have to put a spy on him or risk giving up a big play. That means one less blitzer to worry about.

Others will point out that he isnít strong enough or big enough to run between the tackles on a regular basis. I agree that in a run oriented offense this would be true. It is my opinion that we stay true to our strengths and continue spread the ball around and get it to our playmakers in the open field. He would flourish in this type offense.

A Spiller, Slaton combination assuming Slaton returns to last years form could be one of the better more dangerous backfields in all of the NFL. If Slaton doesnít return we would still have Spiller and Foster as a one two punch and we should be able to find another more traditional RB in FA or later in the draft.

So going into next season our stable of RBís would look like this.
Slaton, Spiller, Foster and Moats or FA or late draft pick. I would really like to see Moats let go and us pick up another bigger back that can get tough yards since he wouldnít be getting much playing time with Spiller on the team.