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TimeKiller
01-11-2010, 09:18 AM
Pick up an elite big man, sitting at 19/20 there should still be a highly rated LT on the board. Move Duane Brown into G. I think covering up his pass pro and further enabling his tenacious run blocking/strength/athleticism for pulling across the line will bolster a weak interior. Caldwell rounds into the C they drafted, Brisiel returns from injury, Winston holds his usual RT. ByeBye Chester.

1st LT - Brown - Caldwell - Brisiel - Winston

Butler - Studdard - Myers - White - Butler

Hell, that's basically the starting line this past season. That's excellent, experienced depth. The price is high but I think the outcome should be an OL with decent size (starters in the range of 315 each), good quickness, athleticism and decent interior muscle. With Foster looking to capitalize on recent success, Slaton looking to prove himself again, Moats still grinding out 5 yards where there was 3 I think that's a chance for a damn good line and a hole on offense to be filled.

This is no knock on Brown either. Maybe the answer is move Winston inside. Maybe the answer is draft a bigtime OG. Maybe the answer is getting Myers, Studdard and White the hell off the field.

ArlingtonTexan
01-11-2010, 09:42 AM
There is about a 1% chance that they are moving Brown to draft a rookie LT, who probably will have the same sort of learning curb that Brown did. LG is a much easier position to find a guy in the middle rounds of the draft than LT is even with a first rounder.

TimeKiller
01-11-2010, 09:58 AM
There is about a 1% chance that they are moving Brown to draft a rookie LT, who probably will have the same sort of learning curb that Brown did. LG is a much easier position to find a guy in the middle rounds of the draft than LT is even with a first rounder.

Same learning curve as a guy who played LT for 1 year prior to being drafted? Color me skeptical. I don't think too many of those guys make it to the 1st round (and when they do it's largely considered a reach).

There are plenty of routes to take here. I just don't want to see the day 1 starting OL go Brown - Pitts - Myers - Brisiel - Winston

Ole Miss Texan
01-11-2010, 10:03 AM
I wonder if we'll see Caldwell as our starting LG. Keep Brown, Myers and Winston in place. Draft Iupati or Asamoah and plug him in at RG. Have backups of Butler, Brisiel, White and Studdard.

ArlingtonTexan
01-11-2010, 10:13 AM
Same learning curve as a guy who played LT for 1 year prior to being drafted? Color me skeptical. I don't think too many of those guys make it to the 1st round (and when they do it's largely considered a reach).

There are plenty of routes to take here. I just don't want to see the day 1 starting OL go Brown - Pitts - Myers - Brisiel - Winston

and it looks like the Texans got the Brown pick right...wanna take the chance that they do it again?

So your solution is to move the person who played his position as well as if not better than anyone else on the OL @ the hardest position to fill on the OL.

beerlover
01-11-2010, 10:19 AM
Pick up an elite big man, sitting at 19/20 there should still be a highly rated LT on the board. Move Duane Brown into G. I think covering up his pass pro and further enabling his tenacious run blocking/strength/athleticism for pulling across the line will bolster a weak interior. Caldwell rounds into the C they drafted, Brisiel returns from injury, Winston holds his usual RT. ByeBye Chester.

1st LT - Brown - Caldwell - Brisiel - Winston

Butler - Studdard - Myers - White - Butler

Hell, that's basically the starting line this past season. That's excellent, experienced depth. The price is high but I think the outcome should be an OL with decent size (starters in the range of 315 each), good quickness, athleticism and decent interior muscle. With Foster looking to capitalize on recent success, Slaton looking to prove himself again, Moats still grinding out 5 yards where there was 3 I think that's a chance for a damn good line and a hole on offense to be filled.

This is no knock on Brown either. Maybe the answer is move Winston inside. Maybe the answer is draft a bigtime OG. Maybe the answer is getting Myers, Studdard and White the hell off the field.

I agree with you but the reality, while greater than a paltry 1% depends entirely on who is available. Kubiak hire of Rick Dennison also could assist in this scenero since Denver has selelcted franchise tackle early, see Clady.

My idea of the ideal franchise LT is not Brown, he struggled big time as a rookie (had to split snaps with Salaam) still has problems with both speed on the edge & bull rush. However Duane has improved in run blocking & can anchor in tight space against less than premier ends combined with lack of height, wingspan therefore bubble. In his defense Duane does have good feet, strength & weight to flip inside to LG with excellent pulling ability. I really think this is what the Texans liked about him but honestly this was a pick intended to save Schaub. Duane Brown was a need pick over bpa but if moved to LG would be the 2nd highest rated OG in the 08 draft behind Brandon Albert who is also mistakingly being used @ LT.

It's all about the money & prestige, but Duane Brown is almost a carbon-copy of Charles Pitts, 6-4 320 lbs with better footwork. :)

Goldensilence
01-11-2010, 10:28 AM
If there was anyone I'd consider sliding in it's Winston.

Really much as I wish they would I'm just not sold on the idea that this staff could put an early priority on the OL this year considering who they continue to keep around.

To me, fixing the line means Studdard, White, Myers and Brisiel don't see any kind of starting nod, if the first two got cut that'd be even better.

Really I'm also surprised that parts of this board are already giving Pitts the Fred Weary treatment.

beerlover
01-11-2010, 10:42 AM
If there was anyone I'd consider sliding in it's Winston.

Really much as I wish they would I'm just not sold on the idea that this staff could put an early priority on the OL this year considering who they continue to keep around.

To me, fixing the line means Studdard, White, Myers and Brisiel don't see any kind of starting nod, if the first two got cut that'd be even better.

Really I'm also surprised that parts of this board are already giving Pitts the Fred Weary treatment.

you just have to light a fire under Winston. He is a much better RT than Duane is a LT IMO :)

BigBull17
01-11-2010, 10:48 AM
There is about a 1% chance that they are moving Brown to draft a rookie LT, who probably will have the same sort of learning curb that Brown did. LG is a much easier position to find a guy in the middle rounds of the draft than LT is even with a first rounder.

I don't see any way we move Brown. I think he would be better there, but they wont.

DexmanC
01-11-2010, 10:48 AM
you just have to light a fire under Winston. He is a much better RT than Duane is a LT IMO :)

Also a shame that Weary was a much better guard than Brisiel.

ArlingtonTexan
01-11-2010, 11:06 AM
I agree with you but the reality, while greater than a paltry 1% depends entirely on who is available. Kubiak hire of Rick Dennison also could assist in this scenero since Denver has selelcted franchise tackle early, see Clady.

My idea of the ideal franchise LT is not Brown, he struggled big time as a rookie (had to split snaps with Salaam) still has problems with both speed on the edge & bull rush. However Duane has improved in run blocking & can anchor in tight space against less than premier ends combined with lack of height, wingspan therefore bubble. In his defense Duane does have good feet, strength & weight to flip inside to LG with excellent pulling ability. I really think this is what the Texans liked about him but honestly this was a pick intended to save Schaub. Duane Brown was a need pick over bpa but if moved to LG would be the 2nd highest rated OG in the 08 draft behind Brandon Albert who is also mistakingly being used @ LT.

It's all about the money & prestige, but Duane Brown is almost a carbon-copy of Charles Pitts, 6-4 320 lbs with better footwork. :)

The main point is that the Texans (as well as the league in general) values an average LT more than they do a good guard.

Maddict5
01-11-2010, 11:18 AM
our tackles are good. duane struggled a little after getting injured but overall both made big jumps in performance this year imo.

our C is fine. he'll always struggle in short yardage & against NT monsters because of his size but overall is an above average C in league-wide terms

the G's are where the trouble was this year (obviously with the starters injured) but even they started coming on at the end of the year & are all young players so you never know- we may already have our answers at those spots but id still invest in an athletic mid rounder at that spot in case pitts or briesel arent able to come back strong.

no matter who we get or what happens i feel alot better about our depth at those spots after this year

TexCanada
01-11-2010, 11:28 AM
Hopefully Dennison will breathe a little life into this line. If Kubes is still the one making all the O-line decisions then I think we will see Myers stay on as our center. If we upgrade ours G's then Myers might not look as bad out there.

I'm hoping that Dennison provides a bit of a reality check for Kubes, and Caldwell will be given the chance at center. Draft an OG in the first 2 rounds and let Pitts and Briesel fit it out for the other spot. I would like to see a mid-round pick be used on another OG as well.

BigBull17
01-11-2010, 11:43 AM
our tackles are good. duane struggled a little after getting injured but overall both made big jumps in performance this year imo.

our C is fine. he'll always struggle in short yardage & against NT monsters because of his size but overall is an above average C in league-wide terms

the G's are where the trouble was this year (obviously with the starters injured) but even they started coming on at the end of the year & are all young players so you never know- we may already have our answers at those spots but id still invest in an athletic mid rounder at that spot in case pitts or briesel arent able to come back strong.

no matter who we get or what happens i feel alot better about our depth at those spots after this year

Considering almost every team in the AFC runs a 3-4, you may want a guy who can kind of move a NT. Myers needs to be a back up.

Vinny
01-11-2010, 11:52 AM
This fan base never really appreciated Pitts and once out this line crumbled. Brown just had a scope...he will be the LT next season. No way they move him to Guard and draft a LT.

DexmanC
01-11-2010, 12:00 PM
I won't believe our OL is fixed, until it happens. Every time a key
lineman went down since 2006, the guy we've replaced him with has
been progressively worse.

Steve Mckinney replaced by Chris Myers:
"Chris is a starter in this league." -- Gary Kubiak

Fred Weary replaced by Mike Brisiel:
"Mike has proven he's a starter in this league. Once in the lineup
he's hard to get out of there." -- Gary Kubiak

Chester Pitts replaced by Kasey Studdard: "Kasey has the fire and
nastiness we need at the position. He's a starter in this league." -- Gary Kubiak

Mike Brisiel replaced by Revolving Door: "We're letting Catfish and Antoine
battle it out to see who's a starter in this league." -- Gary Kubiak

You get my point. This guy wouldn't know good linemen if they bit him
in the ass. We'll just keep throwing guys at the position until one
sticks. Kubes is hoping he gets a couple hits before he's fired.

beerlover
01-11-2010, 12:04 PM
The main point is that the Texans (as well as the league in general) values an average LT more than they do a good guard.

exactly which is why teams select quote: "LT's in the first rd". then latter as play sometimes dictate move to more natural position inside :cool:

I happen to have the opinion that a Pro-Bowl quality LG is still vital to great overall OL performance, Hutchinson case in point for Vikings signed away from Seattle in the biggest contract ever for an OG. Since then Seattle can't run the ball & line has suffered immeasreably combined with LT Walter Jones impending retirement/injurys.

My point is that if a LT who fits the Texans scheme is available in the first round (Charles Brown, 6-6 300 USC) the combination of Brown & Brown would give the Texans a dynamic duo coveted by all NFL teams. unfortunatley w/Carrol going to Seattle expect Pete to take his guy (Charles Brown) with one of those two 1st rd. picks.

HOU-TEX
01-11-2010, 12:08 PM
This fan base never really appreciated Pitts and once out this line crumbled. Brown just had a scope...he will be the LT next season. No way they move him to Guard and draft a LT.

I agree on Pitts and I think he'll be back. It's kind of a win, win for the Texans. We get a quality G back this season without having to give him a raise. Kinda crappy for Pitts, but he's in a similar situation as OD. I think he's going to have to prove it again before he gets paid.

DexmanC
01-11-2010, 12:08 PM
our tackles are good. duane struggled a little after getting injured but overall both made big jumps in performance this year imo.

our C is fine. he'll always struggle in short yardage & against NT monsters because of his size but overall is an above average C in league-wide terms

the G's are where the trouble was this year (obviously with the starters injured) but even they started coming on at the end of the year & are all young players so you never know- we may already have our answers at those spots but id still invest in an athletic mid rounder at that spot in case pitts or briesel arent able to come back strong.

no matter who we get or what happens i feel alot better about our depth at those spots after this year

Why avoid getting better at Center, because Myers is so likeable? We play
the Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, Jets, Ravens, Chargers, Broncos, Redskins, out
of our division next year. I'm not gonna mention our division teams, 'cause
it's not like we're gonna beat them anyway. However, most teams we
face are gonna use Myers as a doorway to Schaub now that such a strategy
is on tape.

Kasey Studdard? A starter?? Brisiel?? Catfish?? Myers?? Starters??
Get ready for not being able to pound it in from 3rd and Goal at the one,
for the third consecutive season.

IBleedTexans
01-11-2010, 12:20 PM
Considering almost every team in the AFC runs a 3-4, you may want a guy who can kind of move a NT. Myers needs to be a back up.

I completly agree with this comment . Myers gets blown up at the line of scrimmage . we need to move caldwell to what he was drafted for ,and draft 1 more OG. Pitts has been the back bone of the OL for years and seriously with him on the line i think he lights a fire under the rest of the OL.Absolutely no reason to give him the weary treatment

utahmark
01-11-2010, 12:57 PM
I won't believe our OL is fixed, until it happens. Every time a key
lineman went down since 2006, the guy we've replaced him with has
been progressively worse.
Steve Mckinney replaced by Chris Myers:
"Chris is a starter in this league." -- Gary Kubiak

Fred Weary replaced by Mike Brisiel:
"Mike has proven he's a starter in this league. Once in the lineup
he's hard to get out of there." -- Gary Kubiak

Chester Pitts replaced by Kasey Studdard: "Kasey has the fire and
nastiness we need at the position. He's a starter in this league." -- Gary Kubiak

Mike Brisiel replaced by Revolving Door: "We're letting Catfish and Antoine
battle it out to see who's a starter in this league." -- Gary Kubiak

You get my point. This guy wouldn't know good linemen if they bit him
in the ass. We'll just keep throwing guys at the position until one
sticks. Kubes is hoping he gets a couple hits before he's fired.

really, our backups are'nt as good as our starters?

TimeKiller
01-11-2010, 01:28 PM
Really I'm also surprised that parts of this board are already giving Pitts the Fred Weary treatment.

He's older, never been great, coming off an injury and probably wanting a "good" contract. Meh?

I just think Brown's abilities would make him a hell of a G and getting a premier pass blocker in the 1st would improve 2 spots with one pick. Brown has done an admirable job as the LT for 2 years, he has his flaws but I like his style. Looking to maximize his strengths, cover his weakness.

Oh, the chance of getting a hit in the 1st round? It's the same every year with any position.

Honoring Earl 34
01-11-2010, 01:32 PM
He's older, never been great, coming off an injury and probably wanting a "good" contract. Meh?

I just think Brown's abilities would make him a hell of a G and getting a premier pass blocker in the 1st would improve 2 spots with one pick. Brown has done an admirable job as the LT for 2 years, he has his flaws but I like his style. Looking to maximize his strengths, cover his weakness.

Oh, the chance of getting a hit in the 1st round? It's the same every year with any position.

I'm not sure your going to get a premier pass blocker at 20 . Also if Brown struggles against Freeney's bullrush ... what's the 330 lb guys gonna do to him .

Texan4Ever
01-11-2010, 01:42 PM
I think we can safely say that Duane Brown and Eric Winston are locks for the offensive tackle positions. The only thing we need to do is upgrade the guard and center positions via FA or the NFL Draft.

As far as the guard position goes, in the FA the only guy I want considered is Logan Mankins from the Pats'. He is a powerful run blocker and excells in pass protection and would be an immediate upgrade over what we currently have.

In the draft I'm looking at three guys, Zane Beadles from Utah, Mike Johnson from Bama', and Mitch Petrus from Arkansas. Anyone of these guys would do but if I had to pick then I would choose Beadles and Johnson.

Now we get to the center. I hate our ZBS scheme but we need someone at center who is strong and stout at the point of attack and doesn't get ***** slapped by nose tackles.

At center I'd like to get (from the draft) Eric Olsen from Notre Dame or Thomas Austin from Clemson.

Imagine this....

Duane Brown, Logan Mankins, Thomas Austin, Mike Johnson, Eric Winston (this is my "dream" offensive line that actually might happen)

JB
01-11-2010, 02:01 PM
I think we can safely say that Duane Brown and Eric Winston are locks for the offensive tackle positions. The only thing we need to do is upgrade the guard and center positions via FA or the NFL Draft.

As far as the guard position goes, in the FA the only guy I want considered is Logan Mankins from the Pats'. He is a powerful run blocker and excells in pass protection and would be an immediate upgrade over what we currently have.

In the draft I'm looking at three guys, Zane Beadles from Utah, Mike Johnson from Bama', and Mitch Petrus from Arkansas. Anyone of these guys would do but if I had to pick then I would choose Beadles and Johnson.

Now we get to the center. I hate our ZBS scheme but we need someone at center who is strong and stout at the point of attack and doesn't get ***** slapped by nose tackles.

At center I'd like to get (from the draft) Eric Olsen from Notre Dame or Thomas Austin from Clemson.

Imagine this....

Duane Brown, Logan Mankins, Thomas Austin, Mike Johnson, Eric Winston (this is my "dream" offensive line that actually might happen)

Mankins is a RFA... no way Pats let him go

BigBull17
01-11-2010, 02:11 PM
I'm not sure your going to get a premier pass blocker at 20 . Also if Brown struggles against Freeney's bullrush ... what's the 330 lb guys gonna do to him .

Freeney beats you with the bull rush cause he has a lower center of gravity and you have to watch his speed and spin move so much he bulls you over. Freeney is damn near the best pure pass rusher in the game. You have to run at him and use a big blocking TE(Hill if he ever can play)to wear him down.

DexmanC
01-11-2010, 02:23 PM
really, our backups are'nt as good as our starters?

My overall point, is that we LEAVE THEM IN AS STARTERS in the following
season.

Honoring Earl 34
01-11-2010, 03:03 PM
Freeney beats you with the bull rush cause he has a lower center of gravity and you have to watch his speed and spin move so much he bulls you over. Freeney is damn near the best pure pass rusher in the game. You have to run at him and use a big blocking TE(Hill if he ever can play)to wear him down.

The player with the lowest pad level wins . That's why saying a 6'7 Eric Winston can move to guard so easily is not right . Brown is 6'5 and a former TE , which makes me think he's more athlete than road grader . Iupati is 6'6 and 330 lbs with legs like tree stumps and a strong upper body , he's a guard .

infantrycak
01-11-2010, 03:05 PM
My overall point, is that we LEAVE THEM IN AS STARTERS in the following
season.

And your overall point is silly. Brown and Winston aren't in there because anyone went down. They were drafted to those positions. Pitts went down for the 1st time this year. Briesel did a good job last year. They drafted someone to back him and Myers up or to replace one of them eventually. Myers was brought in a season after McKinney went down. You're just making stuff up to rant about at this point.

JB
01-11-2010, 03:09 PM
And your overall point is silly. Brown and Winston aren't in there because anyone went down. They were drafted to those positions. Pitts went down for the 1st time this year. Briesel did a good job last year. They drafted someone to back him and Myers up or to replace one of them eventually. Myers was brought in a season after McKinney went down. You're just making stuff up to rant about at this point.

Negativity- the one constant?

TimeKiller
01-11-2010, 03:24 PM
I'm not sure your going to get a premier pass blocker at 20 . Also if Brown struggles against Freeney's bullrush ... what's the 330 lb guys gonna do to him .

I'm not sure that you can be sure of anything in the draft....soooo....:shrug:

Who is the 330 lb guy? The hypothetical 1st round LT? An elite pass blocker will likely have a better shot of locking down the best pure pass rusher in the league than DB will. DB is not an elite pass blocker.

Maybe the solution is just drafting a high round OG but we got time to explore all possibilites.

Brown - Pitts - Caldwell - Drafted G - Winston

Jesus, just about any combo you can put up without Studdard, Myers and White in the middle looks golden.

beerlover
01-11-2010, 03:25 PM
here is the most simple fix- draft Florida C Maurkice Pouncey in 2nd rd.

Maurkice Pouncey, a 6-foot-5, 318-pound junior from Lakeland, was awarded the Rimington Trophy as the nation's top center in 2009. He is projected to be a second-round pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4815630

datchapin
01-11-2010, 03:36 PM
Make Alex Gibbs be more involved with the coaching of the line this coming yr. than the one that just went by. We had a good balanced line the first yr. Gibbs was here. I'm confident if he's involved we'll get a better run blocking line. That was our biggest problem on the line this yr. The pass blocking was exceptional, minus a few snaffus.

If Caldwell isn't being groomed for center next yr. than I would like to see a center drafted in the later rds.

Honoring Earl 34
01-11-2010, 03:44 PM
I'm not sure that you can be sure of anything in the draft....soooo....:shrug:

Who is the 330 lb guy? The hypothetical 1st round LT? An elite pass blocker will likely have a better shot of locking down the best pure pass rusher in the league than DB will. DB is not an elite pass blocker.

Maybe the solution is just drafting a high round OG but we got time to explore all possibilites.

Brown - Pitts - Caldwell - Drafted G - Winston

Jesus, just about any combo you can put up without Studdard, Myers and White in the middle looks golden.

The 330 lb guy is a guard .

Elite pass blockers go high in 1st rd . Actually I've read the LTs and CBs are the easiest to project . You have your exceptions , guys like Michael Roos ( 2nd rd ) but for the most part , elite LTs go high .

If you look at last years class , there were some good OTs . Maybe Brown in another year moves up in the draft . Brown in last years re-draft was actually picked higher . In wrapping up , Brown's not that bad .

SAMURAITEXAN
01-11-2010, 06:49 PM
I would like to see the following starting line ups in 2010

Brown - Caldwell - Draft/FA - Brisiel - Winston
(if rook, groom him to be a starter material by mid season)

Brown - Caldwell - Draft/FA - Butler(is this possible?) - Winston

Brown - Pitts - Caldwell - Brisiel - Winston
(I don't know if Pitts would be back for us)

Brown - Pitts - Caldwell - Butler - Winston

Brown - Butler - Draft/FA - Caldwell - Winston

Brown - Butler - Caldwell - Brisiel - Winston


If we draft OG, I have to re do the above.

Go Texans!!!

DexmanC
01-11-2010, 08:22 PM
And your overall point is silly. Brown and Winston aren't in there because anyone went down. They were drafted to those positions. Pitts went down for the 1st time this year. Briesel did a good job last year. They drafted someone to back him and Myers up or to replace one of them eventually. Myers was brought in a season after McKinney went down. You're just making stuff up to rant about at this point.

I didn't name Brown and Winston. Don't change the context of my post.
I SPECIFICALLY named Myers,Studdard,Brisiel,
and Catfish, and illustrated how Kubiak sees these guys as STARTER MATERIAL!!

What's wrong about what I said?

Joe Texan
01-11-2010, 11:01 PM
Why is Pitts gone and where did this info come from

leebigeztx
01-11-2010, 11:47 PM
I think with a slow footed staue like schaub, its more important to be good inside than out. I like caldwell because he has a very high iq and can play multiple positions. I would prefer a jamaal jackson type of center, but those are very rare. The kid from Idaho is pretty good and if you can draft him in the 2nd and groom for a yr, then that would be a good situation.

ArlingtonTexan
01-11-2010, 11:51 PM
Why is Pitts gone and where did this info come from

Pitts is a free agent.

Carr Bombed
01-11-2010, 11:52 PM
So let me get this straight.....Duane Brown who everybody called a "reach" and a "project" shows tremendous improvement in his second year as a pro, on a team that was 4th in pass attempts (but only 5th in sacks allowed in the entire league), needs to be moved inside for another rookie LT that'll again have to be drafted around the 20th spot in the first round?

Sorry, that doesn't make any sense. You're not going to get a LT who's better than Duane Brown with the 20th pick in the draft......you're going to get another player deemed a "project", because if said player had Brown's athletic skills and measurables and wasn't labeled and deemed a "project" he's going to go MUCH higher than #20 in the draft.

Yeah, why don't we stick with the guy who we already went through the growing pains with and who's actually starting to pay off at the position. Next year is NOT the year to break in a rookie LT..(has anyone bothered looking at the schedule, not the year for a rookie LT, especially one drafted in the bottom of the first round)....if we do that, Schaub is not making it through the year.

Upgrade the guards, keep the guy who helped keep Schaub healthy this year at the same position please, thank you.

steelbtexan
01-12-2010, 12:10 AM
It's possible that one of the LT's coud fall.

Bulaga,Davis,Brown and Campbell and Costanza if he declares, one could be available at 19/20.

I would take Iupati provided that he does well in the all star games/combine.

They should take the OL that is pro ready.

Hopefully Dennison talks Kuper into coming with him from Denver in FA

Brown-Kuper-Caldwell-Iupati-Winston as the starting OL

Butler-re-signed Brisiel-Myers (He'll start until Caldwell is ready) and a 4th/5th rd developmental pick doesn't look to bad.

Hopefully Dennison and Gibbs can lobby Smithiak into investing another high draft pick.

Bronco Texan
01-12-2010, 12:39 AM
Considering almost every team in the AFC runs a 3-4, you may want a guy who can kind of move a NT. Myers needs to be a back up.


correct me if i am wrong, but all the teams in our division run a 4-3

buddyboy
01-12-2010, 01:41 AM
I didn't name Brown and Winston. Don't change the context of my post.
I SPECIFICALLY named Myers,Studdard,Brisiel,
and Catfish, and illustrated how Kubiak sees these guys as STARTER MATERIAL!!

What's wrong about what I said?

Yes, because of injuries, they were thrust into the starter's positions. Sure, he saw them as starter material after our starters were down.

Meyers probably needs an upgrade.

D-ReK
01-12-2010, 02:15 AM
Mankins is a RFA... no way Pats let him go

There has been quite a precedent of teams letting their guards go if they ask for too much. Steve Hutchinson, Jacob Bell, Jake Scott, and LeCharles Bentley come to mind immediately. Aside from the Seahawks and Hutchinson, each team has been fine after letting their player go and have soldiered on with rookies or unheralded vets.

The Patriots would definitely let Mankins go if the price and compensation were right. It would cost at least our 1st rounder, and probably an additional 3rd, to sign him, though so I don't see it happening.

steelbtexan
01-12-2010, 04:02 AM
There has been quite a precedent of teams letting their guards go if they ask for too much. Steve Hutchinson, Jacob Bell, Jake Scott, and LeCharles Bentley come to mind immediately. Aside from the Seahawks and Hutchinson, each team has been fine after letting their player go and have soldiered on with rookies or unheralded vets.

The Patriots would definitely let Mankins go if the price and compensation were right. It would cost at least our 1st rounder, and probably an additional 3rd, to sign him, though so I don't see it happening.

Scott replaced Bell for the Tacks.

You could be right the Pats could let Mankins go.

I think the best the Texans can hope for is Kuper. He would definitely be an upgrade and provide much needed leadership on the OL. Dennison was his OL coach in Denver last year. He was Denvers 2nd best O-Lineman last year behind Clady. IMO

infantrycak
01-12-2010, 10:08 AM
I didn't name Brown and Winston. Don't change the context of my post.
I SPECIFICALLY named Myers,Studdard,Brisiel,
and Catfish, and illustrated how Kubiak sees these guys as STARTER MATERIAL!!

What's wrong about what I said?

Here is what you said:

My overall point, is that we LEAVE THEM IN AS STARTERS in the following
season.

So clearly that statement doesn't apply to Studdard or Caldwell since they have no following season. Briesel played well and did show himself to be starter material. Slaton averaged 5.6 ypc to the right side in 2008. Myers wasn't an injury replacement. He was brought in to be C a year after McKinney went down. Plus McKinney was all over the place as C with some years sucking and some years being good.

HuttoKarl
01-12-2010, 10:16 AM
I think we can safely say that Duane Brown and Eric Winston are locks for the offensive tackle positions. The only thing we need to do is upgrade the guard and center positions via FA or the NFL Draft.

As far as the guard position goes, in the FA the only guy I want considered is Logan Mankins from the Pats'. He is a powerful run blocker and excells in pass protection and would be an immediate upgrade over what we currently have.

In the draft I'm looking at three guys, Zane Beadles from Utah, Mike Johnson from Bama', and Mitch Petrus from Arkansas. Anyone of these guys would do but if I had to pick then I would choose Beadles and Johnson.

Now we get to the center. I hate our ZBS scheme but we need someone at center who is strong and stout at the point of attack and doesn't get Chris slapped by nose tackles.

At center I'd like to get (from the draft) Eric Olsen from Notre Dame or Thomas Austin from Clemson.

Imagine this....

Duane Brown, Logan Mankins, Thomas Austin, Mike Johnson, Eric Winston (this is my "dream" offensive line that actually might happen)

Fixed that for you.

HuttoKarl
01-12-2010, 10:19 AM
Barring injury Duane Brown will be our starting LT. We gave Mario more than a year. It's too soon to say anything about Duane being a bust or not. We need help in the middle of the line, plain and simple.

DexmanC
01-12-2010, 12:58 PM
Here is what you said:



So clearly that statement doesn't apply to Studdard or Caldwell since they have no following season. Briesel played well and did show himself to be starter material. Slaton averaged 5.6 ypc to the right side in 2008. Myers wasn't an injury replacement. He was brought in to be C a year after McKinney went down. Plus McKinney was all over the place as C with some years sucking and some years being good.

My second line was a response to someone removing a line from my previous
statement. You're doing the same thing. It's call context switching, and
it's landed many an innocent man in prison.

I'll restate it for you clearly.
Studdard, Myers, Brisiel, and Catfish ARE NOT QUALITY NFL STARTERS.

Kubiak thinks they ARE, which is my main gripe. He WILL NOT upgrade
those positions, and he's hoping that SLATON makes those guys look good.
Our LINE wasn't good, even when SLATON was getting those yards. Steve
was great at making the 1st guy miss, and wreaking havoc in the open
field. When SLATON declined, the RUN BLOCKING WAS EXPOSED.

Take what I say, and LEAVE IT IN ITS ORIGINAL CONTEXT.

Thank you.