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redwhiteANDblue
01-10-2010, 06:45 PM
I've been watching the playoffs and I see these teams making many dropped balls, inaccurate passes and my point for this is that whenever I see these other teams play I always say to myself "man the texans could own these guys:texflag:" but on another note I say to myself "meh we're only 9-7". We have dominating LBs, amazing WRs, and arguably one of the most accurate QBs in the league. So why can't we ever get a win when we need it! With this skill we should be ATLEAST 10-6. This isn't a hit on Kubiak or anything. Anyways just thought I'd share my thought since there seems to be a drought of threads recently.

Goatcheese
01-10-2010, 06:46 PM
Having the 30th ranked running game and one of the worst kickers in the league this year kind of makes life harder than it really has to be.

Texans#1Fan
01-10-2010, 06:56 PM
I just hope we get rid of slaton. He can not hold onto the ball. Foster seems like the running back we need. We do have a good team and I think if they can fix the running problems and the field goals we will be a super bowl contender next year. But, it seems we keep on saying that every year don't we?

houstonspartan
01-10-2010, 06:58 PM
I just hope we get rid of slaton. He can not hold onto the ball. Foster seems like the running back we need. We do have a good team and I think if they can fix the running problems and the field goals we will be a super bowl contender next year. But, it seems we keep on saying that every year don't we?

Nah, I wouldn't get rid of Slaton. He still has some juice in him. I would try and work on the O line and see if we can open up some room for both he and Foster.

Kulluminatii
01-10-2010, 07:06 PM
Getting rid of Slaton would be a huge mistake, at least this early. I'm sure he'll bounce back from his mediocre sophomore season.

New_Texans
01-10-2010, 07:23 PM
Get rid of Slaton? For all the fumbling he had (which is a fixable problem) he still had 7 total touchdowns (3 rushing 4 recieving). When the ball is in slatons hands in space it is absolutely dangerous for the opposing defense. He just has to get the fundamentals of ball security down...like all the other backs on our team honestly.

Imagine the combo next season. Slaton/Foster/BIGA** Back

Maddict5
01-10-2010, 07:34 PM
notice the teams that are winning generally have:

-no choking kickers
-less turnovers
-good run games

Texecutioner
01-10-2010, 08:00 PM
I just hope we get rid of slaton. He can not hold onto the ball. Foster seems like the running back we need. We do have a good team and I think if they can fix the running problems and the field goals we will be a super bowl contender next year. But, it seems we keep on saying that every year don't we?

Why the hell does Foster seem like the RB we need. I laughed and laughed after he had those two good games knowing that so many people including Kubiak would probably start acting as if he's going to be the guy for next year just because of two good games at the end of the season. Some people had that same line of thinking with Chris Taylor all because he had like one or two good games at the end of the year for the Texans a few years back in the same types of meaningless games. Kubes acted like he was this great prospect for the next season to where he didn't need to address the RB situation. I'll bet he does it again this off season to. Foster played very well, but two games is not near enough to know what the guy's capable of. No name RB's pop up and have big games at the end of the season for different teams every year when certain guys get hurt.

Now I'm not saying any of this as a knock on Foster either. Maybe he can be a very good back. He had a good start, that's for sure. I just don't think two games is enough to know and the Texans had better not ignore the RB situation again, just because some no name guy popped up with two good games in our last two games of the season. Foster could come back next season and be total trash for all we know. We still need to go after a good bruising back that can make plays. And you have got to be crazy to want to get rid of Slaton. He's a damn good play maker and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he came back next year and had a big season. If not, he'd still be a very good 3rd down back to have and he can be used in the passing game a lot.

infantrycak
01-10-2010, 08:10 PM
Some people had that same line of thinking with Chris Taylor all because he had like one or two good games at the end of the year for the Texans a few years back in the same types of meaningless games.

BS on those last two games being meaningless. And some people act like they know what Taylor would have done if healthy which they don't. Dude blew a knee out. That could happen to Chris Johnson.

Texecutioner
01-10-2010, 08:20 PM
BS on those last two games being meaningless. And some people act like they know what Taylor would have done if healthy which they don't. Dude blew a knee out. That could happen to Chris Johnson.

Regardless of the fact, he had like one good game or two at the most. He hadn't done anything before that in the season. You don't just put your team's running game in the hands of an unknown who had a good game at the end of the season. I see RB's all the time pop up from being 3rd on the depth chart and having a big game, and then come back to reality. Then some guys end up rising from the ashes and become a good consistent runner for several years like Willie Parker did for the Steelers. Taylor hadn't done anything though before that though and he never looked like some majorly talented back either. The running game needs to be addressed on this team at some point in one of these off seasons. NO more picking up old veterans that have tons of miles on them and no more banking next season's hopes on guys that had a good game or two in weeks 16 and 17. Get a solid runner in between the tackles that can bang it in the RZ and also for depth since RB's get hurt so much these days. I'm really sick of the gambles Kubes makes with our running game. Fixing the running game and stacking the depth should be one of this team's main focuses for this off season.

Silver Oak
01-10-2010, 08:31 PM
I thought the SPCA had been called over this horse being beat this much.

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gary
01-10-2010, 08:41 PM
We could win but we don't. Why don't we? We just don't even though the big picture is in place to do so or close to it. You feeling me?

gafftop
01-10-2010, 09:38 PM
Why the hell does Foster seem like the RB we need. I laughed and laughed after he had those two good games knowing that so many people including Kubiak would probably start acting as if he's going to be the guy for next year just because of two good games at the end of the season. Some people had that same line of thinking with Chris Taylor all because he had like one or two good games at the end of the year for the Texans a few years back in the same types of meaningless games. Kubes acted like he was this great prospect for the next season to where he didn't need to address the RB situation. I'll bet he does it again this off season to. Foster played very well, but two games is not near enough to know what the guy's capable of. No name RB's pop up and have big games at the end of the season for different teams every year when certain guys get hurt.

Now I'm not saying any of this as a knock on Foster either. Maybe he can be a very good back. He had a good start, that's for sure. I just don't think two games is enough to know and the Texans had better not ignore the RB situation again, just because some no name guy popped up with two good games in our last two games of the season. Foster could come back next season and be total trash for all we know. We still need to go after a good bruising back that can make plays. And you have got to be crazy to want to get rid of Slaton. He's a damn good play maker and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he came back next year and had a big season. If not, he'd still be a very good 3rd down back to have and he can be used in the passing game a lot.

I agree with above. I would not get rid of Slaton now, but I think they really need to watch Slaton early to see what they have. I hope the Texans don't feel that they are set with Slaton and Foster next year. Foster could possibly be a capable backup, but there is no telling what Slaton will be next year. At BEST he should be counted as what he was originally drafted as a 3rd down change of pace back. I like Ryan but he is too small as you could plainly see when they platooned Foster and Moats. Chris better not be taking up a rooster spot. Bottom line is the Texans better not sit tight like they did last year. Those actions last year really troubled me because it showed that the organization really had no idea about their own talent at RB. I don't want to hear Kubiak talk about how poor he running attack is next year and how it all revolves around the run game. If true then do something about it.

Texans WEAK in pass rush. Really both lines are average at best. The defensive line is the most disappointing because we have used high round draft choices and still have close to nothing. I know we have Mario but he is over rated. Until Texans improve in D line you can chalk up losses to Indy.

Coaching philosophy. For instance, if this staff coached track , and they jumped out to a lead, they would slow down until the other runner caught up. In the NFL talent level is close and EVERY game is tough and EVERY game is important, not just the ones in December.
The whole coaching mentality is everything is OK until it is critical or already over. Maybe they just can't anticipate the problem or see the problems before they are actually in trouble. Now that thought is scary.

That said unless they could have gotten Cowher I am glad Kubiak is still here. I just hope he learned from his many mistakes this year.

beerlover
01-10-2010, 10:01 PM
did anyone else notice or was it just me the play where Ahman Green leaped over the top for two yards & a first down tonight for Green Bay vs Arizona then think to themselves why couldn't he have at least done that for Texans? Do y'all realize the Texans spent 23 million on a four year contract to sign Ahman Green all for what? so they don't use a 1st pick on a RB? from such hypocrisy :clown: mediocrity is bourne :barman:

Brisco_County
01-10-2010, 10:28 PM
I just hope we get rid of slaton. He can not hold onto the ball. Foster seems like the running back we need. We do have a good team and I think if they can fix the running problems and the field goals we will be a super bowl contender next year. But, it seems we keep on saying that every year don't we?

Terrible assessment of Slaton. You must have a really short memory.

Having the 30th ranked running game and one of the worst kickers in the league this year kind of makes life harder than it really has to be.

This is the answer. Thread's over, let's move along to the next.

djohn2oo8
01-10-2010, 10:51 PM
They didn't win because they don't have "THAT" running back, one who can carry the team at times if needed. Slaton needs help. Look at the teams who made the playoffs:

Colts: Joseph Addai
Ravens: Ray Rice, Willis McGahee
Chargers: LT, Darren Sproles
Jets: Thomas Jones
Vikings: Adrian Peterson
Cowboys: Marion Barber, Felix Jones
Patriots: Laurence Maroney, Kevin Faulk
Cardinals: Beanie Wells


I think someone like CJ Spiller would work wonders for the Texans

The Pencil Neck
01-11-2010, 12:31 AM
They didn't win because they don't have "THAT" running back, one who can carry the team at times if needed. Slaton needs help. Look at the teams who made the playoffs:

Colts: Joseph Addai
Ravens: Ray Rice, Willis McGahee
Chargers: LT, Darren Sproles
Jets: Thomas Jones
Vikings: Adrian Peterson
Cowboys: Marion Barber, Felix Jones
Patriots: Laurence Maroney, Kevin Faulk
Cardinals: Beanie Wells


I think someone like CJ Spiller would work wonders for the Texans

Add Shonn Green to the Jets, Chester Taylor to the Vikings, Tashard Choice to the Cowboys, Morris to the Patriots, and Hightower to the Cardinals. Maybe Brown for the Colts.

Almost all of those teams have at least 2 good backs. And that's what we need.

PHAROAH
01-11-2010, 02:28 AM
I agree if the texans add a 1st rate running back with steve slaton & foster as the 3rd running back now we have something working. The interior offensive line has to be addressed in the off season either in free agency or the draft as well.

TexanBacker93
01-11-2010, 05:01 AM
This is the first year I've watched a playoff game and really felt that not only should we be there instead of someone who is, but that we could be winning games as well.

DeMarCushPoll
01-11-2010, 07:12 AM
I just hope we get rid of slaton. He can not hold onto the ball. Foster seems like the running back we need. We do have a good team and I think if they can fix the running problems and the field goals we will be a super bowl contender next year. But, it seems we keep on saying that every year don't we?

They don't need to get rid of Slaton, they just need to utilize him correctly as a 3rd down back. That's what he was drafted for in the first place. I think they'll get a stud everydown RB either in FA or draft and Slaton will emerge as one of the best 3rd down backs in the league.

DeMarCushPoll
01-11-2010, 07:14 AM
This is the first year I've watched a playoff game and really felt that not only should we be there instead of someone who is, but that we could be winning games as well.

I think we could have beat Cinci or NE

El Tejano
01-11-2010, 07:28 AM
notice the teams that are winning generally have:

-no choking kickers
-less turnovers
-good run games

When you look at it those are the things that cost us games and areas we need to focus on in free agency and draft.

BigBull17
01-11-2010, 07:47 AM
BS on those last two games being meaningless. And some people act like they know what Taylor would have done if healthy which they don't. Dude blew a knee out. That could happen to Chris Johnson.

Well said sir. That said, I still draft a RB fairly early. Maybe 2nd or third round.

infantrycak
01-11-2010, 09:41 AM
They didn't win because they don't have "THAT" running back, one who can carry the team at times if needed. Slaton needs help. Look at the teams who made the playoffs:

Colts: Joseph Addai
Ravens: Ray Rice, Willis McGahee
Chargers: LT, Darren Sproles
Jets: Thomas Jones
Vikings: Adrian Peterson
Cowboys: Marion Barber, Felix Jones
Patriots: Laurence Maroney, Kevin Faulk
Cardinals: Beanie Wells


I think someone like CJ Spiller would work wonders for the Texans

Which sounds good except the Colts and San Diego are the 32nd and 31st ranked rushing teams in the NFL. Arizona was 28th. Manning, Rivers and Warner are carrying those teams.

JB
01-11-2010, 09:48 AM
Which sounds good except the Colts and San Diego are the 32nd and 31st ranked rushing teams in the NFL. Arizona was 28th. Manning, Rivers and Warner are carrying those teams.

Exactly! Also, the Colts only lost 4 fumbles this year and the Chargers only lost 7.

There is a lot more to being a good team than just having a running game.

beerlover
01-11-2010, 09:50 AM
There is a lot more to being a good team than just having a running game.

maybe a good kicking game?

JB
01-11-2010, 09:51 AM
maybe a good kicking game?

That would have improved our win total...

Vinny
01-11-2010, 09:53 AM
Why can't we win? To me it's thinks like having 12 penalties and Kubiak praising the game immediately and throwing down the kindergarten love. Making poor personel decisions at running back. The guy that totes the rock makes a big difference (see Cowboys with and without their full stable). Slow to make decisions - stuff like taking two freakin years to figure out Brandon Harrison isn't a NFL player and expecting him to start this year. Lot's of stuff like that keeps you down.

HOU-TEX
01-11-2010, 09:55 AM
Which sounds good except the Colts and San Diego are the 32nd and 31st ranked rushing teams in the NFL. Arizona was 28th. Manning, Rivers and Warner are carrying those teams.

I was trying to figure out why those teams you mentioned are better than us. Statistically, there's really not much difference between the 4 teams. I was going to say turnovers killed us, but the Cards blew that theory out of the water being -7. Indy +2, SD +8

Maybe turnovers in crucial points of games? Maybe the Cards are just an exception to the rule? Who knows?

JB
01-11-2010, 10:03 AM
I was trying to figure out why those teams you mentioned are better than us. Statistically, there's really not much difference between the 4 teams. I was going to say turnovers killed us, but the Cards blew that theory out of the water being -7. Indy +2, SD +8

Maybe turnovers in crucial points of games? Maybe the Cards are just an exception to the rule? Who knows?

I think a lot of it is experience. You have to learn how to win. Our youth in all aspects ( players & coaches) has been an impediment to early wins.

Goldensilence
01-11-2010, 10:07 AM
Which sounds good except the Colts and San Diego are the 32nd and 31st ranked rushing teams in the NFL. Arizona was 28th. Manning, Rivers and Warner are carrying those teams.

Despite having an off year LT still scored 12 Tds. Still efficient in the RZ when they needed to punch it in. Sproles rushed for 3 and caught 4 Tds. Yeah they are on the later part of the league but, they're still getting good production from their RBs.

Addai's yards aren't impressive either, but he still rushed for 10 TDs and caught 3 in shared time with rookie Donald Brown. Still good production.

Cards started terribly this season, but I think as Wells got healthy their production started to take off. Hightower got 8 TDs and Wells 7, but both backs averaged over 4 yards a carry.

I think leaguewide people are moving less towards a franchise backs, and more towards having two backs who can split the load. Looks like getting 1000 yards ina season will go back to meaning something.

That said, yeah we can get by with a weaker run game, but we need better production and it to be timely, instead of timely fumbles for other teams.

Ole Miss Texan
01-11-2010, 10:14 AM
They didn't win because they don't have "THAT" running back, one who can carry the team at times if needed. Slaton needs help. Look at the teams who made the playoffs:

Colts: Joseph Addai
Ravens: Ray Rice, Willis McGahee
Chargers: LT, Darren Sproles
Jets: Thomas Jones
Vikings: Adrian Peterson
Cowboys: Marion Barber, Felix Jones
Patriots: Laurence Maroney, Kevin Faulk
Cardinals: Beanie Wells

I think someone like CJ Spiller would work wonders for the Texans

Adrian Peterson is the only "THAT" running back in the playoffs. He's the only superstar. No doubt the other RB's are good and I'd love them on this team but they're not superstars and they're not the reason those teams are in the playoffs.

I truly think if we get the interior OL fixed, Slaton and Foster can be a good combo for us. I would like a RB like Gerhart too. CJ Spiller would be amazing. I'll concede the fact that Slaton has had a down year (plus injury) and Foster is still an unknown. But if we fix our OL I really think our run game will improve, we'd make the playoffs, and someone on another message board would have a list like yours with "Texans: Slaton, Foster" on it.

Vinny
01-11-2010, 10:14 AM
Despite having an off year LT still scored 12 Tds. Still efficient in the RZ when they needed to punch it in. Sproles rushed for 3 and caught 4 Tds. Yeah they are on the later part of the league but, they're still getting good production from their RBs.

Addai's yards aren't impressive either, but he still rushed for 10 TDs and caught 3 in shared time with rookie Donald Brown. Still good production.

Cards started terribly this season, but I think as Wells got healthy their production started to take off. Hightower got 8 TDs and Wells 7, but both backs averaged over 4 yards a carry.

I think leaguewide people are moving less towards a franchise backs, and more towards having two backs who can split the load. Looks like getting 1000 yards ina season will go back to meaning something.

That said, yeah we can get by with a weaker run game, but we need better production and it to be timely, instead of timely fumbles for other teams.
You don't HAVE to run the ball well but you end up in shootouts like the Cards - Green Bay game yesterday if you can't put a lid on your opponent when you have a lead. I agree about the red zone production also....If you look at Schaub's stats he had lots of yards but most of the guys with similar yardage had more scoring out of their offenses with the similar amounts of yardage.

infantrycak
01-11-2010, 10:16 AM
That said, yeah we can get by with a weaker run game, but we need better production and it to be timely, instead of timely fumbles for other teams.

I wasn't suggesting we should have an attitude of getting by with a weak run game. They need to do something about it. Add a mid level rushing game to this team and they are a deep playoff contender. My point was simply that those guys aren't carrying their teams. LT is no longer the star of the team, Rivers is. If Addai went down nothing would change for the Colts.

I agree about the red zone production also....If you look at Schaub's stats he had lots of yards but most of the guys with similar yardage had more scoring out of their offenses with the similar amounts of yardage.

That's getting pretty nit picky. Schaub was 5th on TDs for the season and ahead of a number of playoff QBs such as Brady, Rivers, Romo, Warner, McNabb... The guys in front of him are three hall of famers and one very good young QB.

Goldensilence
01-11-2010, 10:24 AM
You don't HAVE to run the ball well but you end up in shootouts like the Cards - Green Bay game yesterday if you can't put a lid on your opponent when you have a lead. I agree about the red zone production also....If you look at Schaub's stats he had lots of yards but most of the guys with similar yardage had more scoring out of their offenses with the similar amounts of yardage.

I totally agree that you don't HAVE to have a great running game anymore to win in the league, just you have to still get great production from it when it matters and especially in the redzone.

Strangely I was going to talk about ball security from the running backs, but the Cards dipped in that category with 6 lost. Chargers , LT lost 2, Sproles 1, and Hester 1. Between Addai and Brown however, only one fumble lost.

Maddict5
01-11-2010, 10:24 AM
Slow to make decisions - stuff like taking two freakin years to figure out Brandon Harrison isn't a NFL player and expecting him to start this year. Lot's of stuff like that keeps you down.

just about that- its not like we had a good player waiting in the wings. hes was the best of a bad lot plus you never know when young players will get it. barber didnt look too hot earlier in the season but he looked pretty good later on when kubiak played him again. same with studdard & white

Goldensilence
01-11-2010, 10:30 AM
I wasn't suggesting we should have an attitude of getting by with a weak run game. They need to do something about it. Add a mid level rushing game to this team and they are a deep playoff contender. My point was simply that those guys aren't carrying their teams. LT is no longer the star of the team, Rivers is. If Addai went down nothing would change for the Colts.



That's getting pretty nit picky. Schaub was 5th on TDs for the season and ahead of a number of playoff QBs such as Brady, Rivers, Romo, Warner, McNabb... The guys in front of him are three hall of famers and one very good young QB.

Nor was I implying that you said we should have that attitude. In that same post I said more teams league wide are going to a two back system.

I'm sorry you only zoned in on what you quoted instead of getting what I was saying overall. No we don't NEED to be even the 20th ranked rushing team. What we need however, is production from our running backs when it matters. We obviously didn't get that this year and got lucky last year with Slaton.

Vinny
01-11-2010, 10:30 AM
just about that- its not like we had a good player waiting in the wings. hes was the best of a bad lot plus you never know when young players will get it. barber didnt look too hot earlier in the season but he looked pretty good later on when kubiak played him again. same with studdard & whiteYou don't "wait around" in this league. If you do, the other teams pass you by or you just stay at .500 or so. He was awful when he played, so I'm not sure what you were looking at....he was awful last year too. I ranted about him openly. This team just makes glacial speed decisions far too often.

GuerillaBlack
01-11-2010, 10:34 AM
We could win but we don't. Why don't we? We just don't even though the big picture is in place to do so or close to it. You feeling me?

I feel ya brotha!

DexmanC
01-11-2010, 10:46 AM
You don't "wait around" in this league. If you do, the other teams pass you by or you just stay at .500 or so. He was awful when he played, so I'm not sure what you were looking at....he was awful last year too. I ranted about him openly. This team just makes glacial speed decisions far too often.

We take players like Barwin on the first day, knowing they won't make a
difference until "maybe" next year. Kubiak coaches and drafts like he has
a year to play with.

HOU-TEX
01-11-2010, 10:48 AM
I think a lot of it is experience. You have to learn how to win. Our youth in all aspects ( players & coaches) has been an impediment to early wins.

Yeah, I reckon that factors in a little bit. The Pack is a pretty young group as well. Maybe the learing how to win has more to do with the coaching?

Vinny
01-11-2010, 10:49 AM
We take players like Barwin on the first day, knowing they won't make a
difference until "maybe" next year. Kubiak coaches and drafts like he has
a year to play with.turns out he did. They did everything but give him a Gatorade shower after they got that impressive 9th win. I thought Kubiak was gonna break his face with that smile. Rich Lord actually asked Winston if they considered giving Kubiak a Gatorade shower after the Pats win. Good grief.

Vinny
01-11-2010, 10:50 AM
Yeah, I reckon that factors in a little bit. The Pack is a pretty young group as well. Maybe the learing how to win has more to do with the coaching?That defense looked familiar. Capers is past his prime and it seems that the league has passed his concepts up.

JB
01-11-2010, 11:03 AM
Yeah, I reckon that factors in a little bit. The Pack is a pretty young group as well. Maybe the learing how to win has more to do with the coaching?

That was why I mentioned the coaches as well. Our staff led by Kubiak has to learn also. While they have plenty of experience in certain individuals, as a staff they have to put it together.

GP
01-11-2010, 11:14 AM
turns out he did. They did everything but give him a Gatorade shower after they got that impressive 9th win. I thought Kubiak was gonna break his face with that smile. Rich Lord actually asked Winston if they considered giving Kubiak a Gatorade shower after the Pats win. Good grief.

The immensely brutal beatdown that the Ravens put upon the Patriots puts our win over the Patriots into better perspective.

1. We might not have beaten the Patriots had Welker stayed healthy. We always get eaten up by the Dallas Clark-type receivers. Likewise, it seemed to affect the Patriot's morale and gameplanning vs. the Ravens Sunday. To me, this reinforces the idea that we beat up on teams that are not really at 100% or have had some distraction that weakens their intensity and focus when they play us.

2. The Ravens practically ran the ball the whole game. Flacco was subpar and still walked away with a win. Now, is this a result of the Ravens having (1) a wayyy better oline than we have? or (2) Having better RBs than we have? or (3) a combination of both? If we had ran the ball as well and as much as the Ravens did, would we have blown out the Patriots? Therefore, I have a concern about the quality of both our oline and our RBs in relation to what I saw the Ravens do this past Sunday.

3. Did the Ravens truly gameplan to run the ball like they did, or did they freak out with Flacco's ineptitude in the passing attack and in desparation turned to the running game and strike gold on a blind swing of the pick-axe this past Sunday?

Harbaugh strikes me as a coach who coaches on gameday.

Kubiak strikes me as the guy who is running HIS plays whenever he wants, at what times HE wants to run them, instead of doing the necessary diligence of formulating a strategy to attack the weaknesses and tendencies of each week's opponent.

Which is why we get put on full blast by good teams, and can only manage to take advantage of unfocused, distracted, or totally inept teams.

Hence, we are not really "winners" because our whole team's philosophy is jacked up in terms of what defines "progress" from year-to-year.

Did we achieve a winning record? Yes. But in the greater context of things, what does that really do for us? It inspires our team to reach 10-6, perhaps?

If we were the bizness right now, I don't think Kyle Shanahan leaves to go to a hell-hole in D.C. That move might just have more to do with where Kyle thinks the Texans are headed in 2010 than it does with him working with his dad again. Of course, I'm already biased to think that Kubiak sucks as a head coach, so maybe that's just me. i think if you feel you're on the cusp of really 100% turning the corner in the next season, you won't leave and miss out on that opportunity...just to enter a place that's as cursed as the Redskins are.

disaacks3
01-11-2010, 11:14 AM
This year? If you change TWO things, this team was COMFORTABLY in the playoffs.

1. TURNOVERS - Turnovers KILLED us this year, especially the ones IN the Red Zone.

2. 3rd & 1, 4th &1 production - Especially in the Red Zone. We may not even need a 1000-yd back, but we need to be able to punch it in from 1st and goal inside the 5.

Watching the playoff games this weekend made it apparent how far our running game needs to go. There were several instances where guys got 1st downs, touchdowns on 2nd / 3rd effort. IMHO - those are the little plays that make it ALL happen.

HOU-TEX
01-11-2010, 11:15 AM
That defense looked familiar. Capers is past his prime and it seems that the league has passed his concepts up.

While that might be true, the Pack's defense was pretty stout this season. Statistically, #1 against the run and #5 against the pass ain't nothing to be ashamed of.

Yesterday, OTOH, was abysmal at best.

Vinny
01-11-2010, 11:16 AM
While that might be true, the Pack's defense was pretty stout this season. Statistically, #1 against the run and #5 against the pass ain't nothing to be ashamed of.
yeah, that's true, but they sure looked clueless last night.

HOU-TEX
01-11-2010, 11:21 AM
yeah, that's true, but they sure looked clueless last night.

Oh my, I posted in a thread in the NFL section about both defenses in that game. I was taken aback at how poor they were. Worst I've seen in quite some time.

Ole Miss Texan
01-11-2010, 11:23 AM
I think my answer to "why can't we win?" is because we havn't. That sounds redundant, but what I mean is that we never have had a winning season and there's baggage that comes with that. We just went 9-7, that breeds confidence. They've got a taste, they've got a taste of being so close to the playoffs, they know its attainable and they're not just saying it... they feel it. There's the idea that a team has 'turned the corner'. It took too long, 8 seasons, but we're there and we're going forward. There is a passion on this team that I havn't seen before. The players are pissed off, have a chip on their shoulder and we're fielding the best team we've ever had. This defense plays pissed off.

We've been the "little brother" in this league for so long. As a little brother, you know you can beat up your big brother. Sometimes its a good fight but you lose time after time. That time you finally come out on top victorious changes everything. You've now got the confidence, the satisfaction, the taste and you KNOW you can. With the Texans, Indy/Jags/Tacks havn't been our big brother... the monkey on our back is never even having a winning record. We've got that now and this team never wants to give that up. These players/coaches can talk all they want about confidence, even at 8-8, knowing they're a good team but you know that 9-7 record is a sigh of relief.

I'm not saying that 9-7 is good enough and that we "won", but its that first battle we won.
Now this team is out to win the war.

Vinny
01-11-2010, 11:26 AM
I think my answer to "why can't we win?" is because we havn't. That sounds redundant, but what I mean is that we never have had a winning season and there's baggage that comes with that. We just went 9-7, that breeds confidence. They've got a taste, they've got a taste of being so close to the playoffs, they know its attainable and they're not just saying it... they feel it. There's the idea that a team has 'turned the corner'. It took too long, 8 seasons, but we're there and we're going forward. There is a passion on this team that I havn't seen before. The players are pissed off, have a chip on their shoulder and we're fielding the best team we've ever had. This defense plays pissed off.

We've been the "little brother" in this league for so long. As a little brother, you know you can beat up your big brother. Sometimes its a good fight but you lose time after time. That time you finally come out on top victorious changes everything. You've now got the confidence, the satisfaction, the taste and you KNOW you can. With the Texans, Indy/Jags/Tacks havn't been our big brother... the monkey on our back is never even having a winning record. We've got that now and this team never wants to give that up. These players/coaches can talk all they want about confidence, even at 8-8, knowing they're a good team but you know that 9-7 record is a sigh of relief.

I'm not saying that 9-7 is good enough and that we "won", but its that first battle we won. Now this team is out to win the war.
I don't think that 9-7 feels anything different than 7-9 to the players. Making the playoffs is "different". Not getting in with the other good teams feels the same as 8-8. I think the fans and the Texans marketing people are really putting way too much stock in the Texans being "winners" now. Winners don't go home and watch the entire Nation fawn all over the teams in the SB tournament.

HoustonFrog
01-11-2010, 11:36 AM
The immensely brutal beatdown that the Ravens put upon the Patriots puts our win over the Patriots into better perspective.

1. We might not have beaten the Patriots had Welker stayed healthy. We always get eaten up by the Dallas Clark-type receivers. Likewise, it seemed to affect the Patriot's morale and gameplanning vs. the Ravens Sunday. To me, this reinforces the idea that we beat up on teams that are not really at 100% or have had some distraction that weakens their intensity and focus when they play us.

2. The Ravens practically ran the ball the whole game. Flacco was subpar and still walked away with a win. Now, is this a result of the Ravens having (1) a wayyy better oline than we have? or (2) Having better RBs than we have? or (3) a combination of both? If we had ran the ball as well and as much as the Ravens did, would we have blown out the Patriots? Therefore, I have a concern about the quality of both our oline and our RBs in relation to what I saw the Ravens do this past Sunday.

3. Did the Ravens truly gameplan to run the ball like they did, or did they freak out with Flacco's ineptitude in the passing attack and in desparation turned to the running game and strike gold on a blind swing of the pick-axe this past Sunday?

Harbaugh strikes me as a coach who coaches on gameday.

Kubiak strikes me as the guy who is running HIS plays whenever he wants, at what times HE wants to run them, instead of doing the necessary diligence of formulating a strategy to attack the weaknesses and tendencies of each week's opponent.

Which is why we get put on full blast by good teams, and can only manage to take advantage of unfocused, distracted, or totally inept teams.

Hence, we are not really "winners" because our whole team's philosophy is jacked up in terms of what defines "progress" from year-to-year.

Did we achieve a winning record? Yes. But in the greater context of things, what does that really do for us? It inspires our team to reach 10-6, perhaps?

If we were the bizness right now, I don't think Kyle Shanahan leaves to go to a hell-hole in D.C. That move might just have more to do with where Kyle thinks the Texans are headed in 2010 than it does with him working with his dad again. Of course, I'm already biased to think that Kubiak sucks as a head coach, so maybe that's just me. i think if you feel you're on the cusp of really 100% turning the corner in the next season, you won't leave and miss out on that opportunity...just to enter a place that's as cursed as the Redskins are.

I think when Ray Rice emerged about the 4th week...against the Pats.. of the season or so, they started relying on him more. He was doing well until then but they also used McGahee. But in games vs Minny, Pitt and some other strong teams he took over and ran hard. He had 11 carries for 103 in that regular season game. After that they didn't need Flacco as much. Rice was one of their best performers from then on out. Heck, you run 83 yards for a TD on the first play of scrimmage yesterday and I think the Ravens knew pregame that Rice's burst could kill the Pats, like it did earlier.

Agree on other aspects you wrote about concerning what kind of Pats team the Texans got. Entered my mind yesterday.

On the news last night I saw "Caveman O-lineman" interviewed and he was talking about how they have to learn to win those important games and to hopefully keep focus when they need to. It was just a weird answer. Came out in a real matter of fact way like, "yeah, we need to do it but can we?" Almost a lazy answer. At times I keep thinking back to the Bill Maas interview where he said Schottenheimer brought some "aha discipline" moments to the Chiefs when they hired him. I'm not sure they get it at times.

houstonspartan
01-11-2010, 11:36 AM
I don't think that 9-7 feels anything different than 7-9 to the players. Making the playoffs is "different". Not getting in with the other good teams feels the same as 8-8. I think the fans and the Texans marketing people are really putting way too much stock in the Texans being "winners" now. Winners don't go home and watch the entire Nation fawn all over the teams in the SB tournament.

I agree with this.

Even though, technically, it's a "winning" season, there's something about this season that just left me feeling kind of empty.

utahmark
01-11-2010, 11:51 AM
I don't think that 9-7 feels anything different than 7-9 to the players. Making the playoffs is "different". Not getting in with the other good teams feels the same as 8-8. I think the fans and the Texans marketing people are really putting way too much stock in the Texans being "winners" now. Winners don't go home and watch the entire Nation fawn all over the teams in the SB tournament.

i pretty much agree with this. although at the very least i got to be interested in football for the full 16 weeks this season. although that win felt good and they should of been happy afterwards, i hope that good feeling went away after sunday night and our coaches and players realize that a winning season does'nt necessarily mean a successfull season.

Ole Miss Texan
01-11-2010, 12:42 PM
I don't think that 9-7 feels anything different than 7-9 to the players. Making the playoffs is "different". Not getting in with the other good teams feels the same as 8-8. I think the fans and the Texans marketing people are really putting way too much stock in the Texans being "winners" now. Winners don't go home and watch the entire Nation fawn all over the teams in the SB tournament.

Gary Kubiak
(on how he feels after the win) "I'm happy for everybody in the organization. It's a lot of hard work to win in this league and to get a franchise to have the chance week in and week out and I think we're pretty darn close to that. I'm just happy for (owner) Bob (McNair), his family, happy for (WR) Andre (Johnson), (CB) Dunta (Robinson), I'm going to miss somebody if I start this, so just all these people that have been here fighting the fight, for you guys in this city. I want to see this place win and it would be nice to get on Kirby today and feel like this football team's got a winner for the first time."

Mario Williams
(on what it felt like to win this game) "It's very satisfying. It's the first time we've ever had a winning season so clearly that meant a lot to us."

Dunta Robinson
(on how emotional the win was) "It's a very emotional moment. I gave (LB) DeMeco (Ryans) a big hug, he's been around a little while, I gave (WR) Andre (Johnson) a big hug, he's been around for a long time. We're winners, we're not right at .500, we're over .500 so it's a great day. I can say that I was part of the first winning season for the Houston Texans, and not a lot of people can say that. There won't be any after (us), and there's definitely not any before. We're apart of something special, and it's going to go down in history."

Matt Schaub
(on what it means to get the win) "Well, it means a ton to win the game. It gets us to 9-7, the first winning team in franchise history. It keeps us in the hunt. We'll sit back, see what happens, we might be able to get in the playoffs, but any time you can win in this league, it's so hard that it's very rewarding. Beating a team at the end of the year like the New England Patriots, it's huge for us going into hopefully the playoffs, but if not, moving forward."

Eric Winston
(on how big this winning season is) "Especially for a guy like (WR) Andre (Johnson), who's been here swinging for years and years, and this is my fourth season. I was lucky enough to come in with (head coach Gary) Kubiak, and we said we were going to do everything we can to make this a winner, and to become consistent winners, it wasn't just a one year off, one year on thing, and we consistently built. It's been about as painfully slow as it can get sometimes but it's been constant progress. Whether or not we make it in tonight, it matters, but at the same time in the grand scheme of things you can see where we're going, and it's pretty exciting to be a part of."

Duane Brown
(on the franchise's first winning season) "It means a lot. To have a winning season for this organization means a lot. This is my second year, and that's all I have heard about since I've been here. To do it against the Patriots, to get that final win against them, that makes it even sweeter."

Jacoby Jones
(on the winning season) "It means a lot to the organization, to the fans, and to us. It feels good to go 9-7 instead of 8-8 again."


http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5996

Goldensilence
01-11-2010, 01:33 PM
I think when Ray Rice emerged about the 4th week...against the Pats.. of the season or so, they started relying on him more. He was doing well until then but they also used McGahee. But in games vs Minny, Pitt and some other strong teams he took over and ran hard. He had 11 carries for 103 in that regular season game. After that they didn't need Flacco as much. Rice was one of their best performers from then on out. Heck, you run 83 yards for a TD on the first play of scrimmage yesterday and I think the Ravens knew pregame that Rice's burst could kill the Pats, like it did earlier.

Agree on other aspects you wrote about concerning what kind of Pats team the Texans got. Entered my mind yesterday.

On the news last night I saw "Caveman O-lineman" interviewed and he was talking about how they have to learn to win those important games and to hopefully keep focus when they need to. It was just a weird answer. Came out in a real matter of fact way like, "yeah, we need to do it but can we?" Almost a lazy answer. At times I keep thinking back to the Bill Maas interview where he said Schottenheimer brought some "aha discipline" moments to the Chiefs when they hired him. I'm not sure they get it at times.

Or possibly that the bolded part might've been a gut shot. After that it looked like the Pats were struggling to get their breath back the entire game.

I think most people knew the Ray Lewis and the Raven's D was going to bring it but, could the offense keep up with the Patriots? Answer was it really didn't need to, it just needed to take advantage of the short fields it was given by to it by the defense with turnovers. Which it did.

Speaking of OLmen. The Ravens are definitely committed to building one for sure and it continues to pay off. They've got bookend tackles for the next decade.

HOU-TEX
01-11-2010, 02:10 PM
Or possibly that the bolded part might've been a gut shot. After that it looked like the Pats were struggling to get their breath back the entire game.

I think most people knew the Ray Lewis and the Raven's D was going to bring it but, could the offense keep up with the Patriots? Answer was it really didn't need to, it just needed to take advantage of the short fields it was given by to it by the defense with turnovers. Which it did.

Speaking of OLmen. The Ravens are definitely committed to building one for sure and it continues to pay off. They've got bookend tackles for the next decade.

Now that you mentioned the Ravens Oline it reminded me of how impressed I was with Yanda. Honestly, it was the first time I'd even heard of him. He had a whale of a game! You name it, chipping inside then upfield pushing outside during run plays, pass blocking and even made some very nice blocks pulling to the outside.

I know Oher, Gaither and Birk get a lot of the pub, but Yanda had a very good game.

thunderkyss
01-11-2010, 02:34 PM
I've been watching the playoffs and I see these teams making many dropped balls, inaccurate passes and my point for this is that whenever I see these other teams play I always say to myself "man the texans could own these guys:texflag:" but on another note I say to myself "meh we're only 9-7". We have dominating LBs, amazing WRs, and arguably one of the most accurate QBs in the league. So why can't we ever get a win when we need it! With this skill we should be ATLEAST 10-6. This isn't a hit on Kubiak or anything. Anyways just thought I'd share my thought since there seems to be a drought of threads recently.

If you watch the teams that win, it seems that they make plays when they need them. We don't.

I don't know that we make any more mistakes than those other teams do, but I know we make our mistakes at the wrong time. If you look at our scoring differential this year, we killed. We avg more points made, than given up.

But it's when we made those points.

I'm excited about our defense, because they can now force a 3 & out. We need to be able to force a 3 & out, when we need to, not whenever it happens. Like that Jacksonville game, when MJD couldn't run for squat, but when they needed a first down to kill the clock.. three straight runs by MJD.

Same thing offensively. We can score in bunches, but we can't score at will. We need to be able to score before the half, & coming out of the half... We can't seem to get a field goal on most occasions.

We haven't developed the resolve to impose our will, when we need to. That last game against NE looked good, & showed promise.. we'll see.

thunderkyss
01-11-2010, 02:41 PM
Having the 30th ranked running game and one of the worst kickers in the league this year kind of makes life harder than it really has to be.

notice the teams that are winning generally have:


-good run games

Normally, I would agree. But behind us in rushing offense at 31 & 32 are the Colts & the Chargers.

The Cardinals are only a few spots ahead at 28. The Eagles are at 22.

BigBull17
01-11-2010, 02:47 PM
Normally, I would agree. But behind us in rushing offense at 31 & 32 are the Colts & the Chargers.

The Cardinals are only a few spots ahead at 28. The Eagles are at 22.

Yeah, you don't have to run to win, thats changing. I don't have the stat in front of me, but we are VERY low in scoring befor the half and giving up points befroe said half. All the teams around us are horrible. Maybe with a new play caller things could change. If our run game is going well, we stop. If it isn't working, we stick to it. The Pats game was prime example. We were running all over them, yet threw the pass to JJ that was pick six-ed. Our game plan is very random.

Carr Bombed
01-11-2010, 04:11 PM
The immensely brutal beatdown that the Ravens put upon the Patriots puts our win over the Patriots into better perspective.

1. We might not have beaten the Patriots had Welker stayed healthy. We always get eaten up by the Dallas Clark-type receivers. Likewise, it seemed to affect the Patriot's morale and gameplanning vs. the Ravens Sunday. To me, this reinforces the idea that we beat up on teams that are not really at 100% or have had some distraction that weakens their intensity and focus when they play us.

I don't really buy that at all. It's easy for a team to overcome a injury like that on a spur of the moment. See Edelman's career day against us. Where it hurts is when a team knows they don't have that guy and teams can game plan for them not having that guy. The Patriots still had a big lead and we were able to battle back when at the time everything was on the line. Houston historically doesn't win many of those games so that was still a huge win for us.

Are we as good as the Ravens.......no, but does that "cheapen" that win over the Pats.......no. The Patriots were just not as good as their record showed. They sucked on the road all year and couldn't hold leads in the 4th quarter even when they had a healthy Wes Welker. That says more about them. They simply weren't a great team this year (even with a healthy Welker) like they have been in years past.

As for everyone wanting to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB........fix the freaking Oline first, because until we do that, we're just wasting a high draft pick. I love how all these people want to list these "franchise backs" or good running back tandems, but they flat out ignore the offensive lines that those backs are running behind. Slaton had a huge drop off this year, but the offensive line also played a huge part in that drop off. I want to be a team that's able to manufactures good runners, because of dominant line play. Not to mention I don't really think this draft has a true "franchise back" projected to go in the early rounds (1st and 2nd).