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Khari
01-08-2010, 12:09 AM
on lord don't cry colt

awtysst
01-08-2010, 12:11 AM
on lord don't cry colt

Maybe he will request a Medical Redshirt year!!!

kastofsna
01-08-2010, 12:12 AM
better luck next year

mexican_texan
01-08-2010, 12:13 AM
better luck next year

Didn't you call this two years ago?

Marcus
01-08-2010, 12:14 AM
Interesting comment from Colt regarding his arm.

"No pain, my arm's just dead".

Khari
01-08-2010, 12:17 AM
he's still got a pink shirt

bckey
01-08-2010, 12:21 AM
I don't want this to sound like sour grapes, or making excuses, but I really don't feel like the best team won tonight.
I know the score board is what it is, but that's the way I feel.

That's a surprising statement coming from me, considering the fact that I thought Bama was the better team before the game started.


Show some class Sabin and kneel on the freakin ball.. little *****.


These two posts by michaelm sum up exactly how I feel about this game.

gwallaia
01-08-2010, 12:22 AM
I was very impressed with how Gilbert responded in the 2nd half. Great performance for a freshmen going against Alabama.

Glad UT lost though.

mexican_texan
01-08-2010, 12:22 AM
I don't want this to sound like sour grapes, or making excuses, but I really don't feel like the best team won tonight.
I know the score board is what it is, but that's the way I feel.

That's the same thing USC and its fans said after they lost to UT. This is football, the best team doesn't always win; that's what makes it fun.

michaelm
01-08-2010, 12:27 AM
That's the same thing USC and its fans said after they lost to UT. This is football, the best team doesn't always win; that's what makes it fun.

I totally agree that the best teams don't always win... USC was wrong though, Texas was the better team! LOL

BattleRedToro
01-08-2010, 12:28 AM
gilbert = vy #2? :kitten:

He did remind me of VY, throwing all of those interceptions.

Khari
01-08-2010, 12:29 AM
ppl at work r gonna be crabby tomorrow.......and i'll hafta listen to them explain how they would of won if colt would of stayed in the game over and over.....yipee....

gtexan02
01-08-2010, 12:30 AM
Odds on Saban already looking for a new job?

SheTexan
01-08-2010, 12:48 AM
ppl at work r gonna be crabby tomorrow.......and i'll hafta listen to them explain how they would of won if colt would of stayed in the game over and over.....yipee....

Already started!! Just listen to Tim Melton and Bob Allen! Damn, I wish Longhorn fans didn't remind me so much of Cowboy fans! :mcnugget:



For a little while I was actually pulling for the young QB Gilbert to pull it off. Just have a soft spot for the underdog. Looks like he just might be the Horns QB of the future. BUT, happy the Tide made my life a little happier!!

disaacks3
01-08-2010, 01:10 AM
ppl at work r gonna be crabby tomorrow.......and i'll hafta listen to them explain how they would of won if colt would of stayed in the game over and over.....yipee....

That's where I'm at..let the boo-hooing begin. I'll just ask those same fans if they were crying over the Heisman winning RB out early in the 2nd half w/ calf cramps. Or the 1st or second Shipley TD being completed against a DB who they repeatedly showed as fighting off some sort of ailment as well during the game.

Injuries are part of the game which you had best be prepared for with depth. I honestly have to say this for Mack Brown - he did the RIGHT thing by Colt. He took the big picture on his future health and/or career by keeping him out.

Carr Bombed
01-08-2010, 01:25 AM
That's where I'm at..let the boo-hooing begin. I'll just ask those same fans if they were crying over the Heisman winning RB out early in the 2nd half w/ calf cramps. Or the 1st or second Shipley TD being completed against a DB who they repeatedly showed as fighting off some sort of ailment as well during the game.

Injuries are part of the game which you had best be prepared for with depth. I honestly have to say this for Mack Brown - he did the RIGHT thing by Colt. He took the big picture on his future health and/or career by keeping him out.

So a RB = a QB. :rolleyes: That logic is so flawed I'm not even going to comment. Especially with the backup option Bama has.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching about the loss....Texas lost, but to act like losing Colt didn't drastically change the game is ignorant.

TexanSam
01-08-2010, 01:33 AM
Already started!! Just listen to Tim Melton and Bob Allen! Damn, I wish Longhorn fans didn't remind me so much of Cowboy fans! :mcnugget:

Yup. They are both very irritating. I'm glad there were a few Alabama fans at Pluckers tonight just to heckle all the UT people

disaacks3
01-08-2010, 01:34 AM
So a RB = a QB. :rolleyes: That logic is so flawed I'm not even going to comment. Ah, but you did anyways...right? Yep two Heisman candidates, one of which who won. I guess if being a Texans fan hasn't taught you the value of a good RB yet, nothing will. (I never said QB and RB were EQUAL and nice avoid on my mention of the injured DB that UT gets their TD against)

Would it have been a BETTER game w/ Colt? - no doubt in my mind. But any UT drone who tries to tell me tomorrow that Bama played their best football ALL the 2nd half, rather than just trying to run clock will lose just as much credibility with me as I evidently have with you.

I had no dog in this particular hunt - I still think the better (more talented) team won.

Brisco_County
01-08-2010, 01:59 AM
Ah, but you did anyways...right? Yep two Heisman candidates, one of which who won. I guess if being a Texans fan hasn't taught you the value of a good RB yet, nothing will. (I never said QB and RB were EQUAL and nice avoid on my mention of the injured DB that UT gets their TD against)

Would it have been a BETTER game w/ Colt? - no doubt in my mind. But any UT drone who tries to tell me tomorrow that Bama played their best football ALL the 2nd half, rather than just trying to run clock will lose just as much credibility with me as I evidently have with you.

I had no dog in this particular hunt - I still think the better (more talented) team won.

Alabama was not the better team. They barely beat our second string offense.

Carr Bombed
01-08-2010, 02:44 AM
Ah, but you did anyways...right? Yep two Heisman candidates, one of which who won. I guess if being a Texans fan hasn't taught you the value of a good RB yet, nothing will. (I never said QB and RB were EQUAL and nice avoid on my mention of the injured DB that UT gets their TD against)

But, but but this team had one of the best RBs a year ago, (talking about the Texans) but didn't have the QB due to injury....Gasp, the top two seeds in the NFL this year have crappy running games. gasp your argument went into the crapper.

umm...sorry pal, if you're really going to sit here and act like Ingram is a more important loss than Colt, you're flat out CRAZY....and yes, that stance is IGNORANT. (Care to tell me what else I "learned from being a Texans fan", sorry been through it all and seen it all) That is flat out crazy.... a QB is hands down more important than a RB. I mean if you're a "Texas hater" more power to you (which it seems that's all you are)........but don't play the "well Bama lost Ingram for just a little while" Card, because that's dumb. You can say you don't think (in you own words) the "QB and RB were EQUAL" but then you proceed to act like they were...so what is to be made of that statement?

One team lost their QB completely, another team lost their running back for just a little while even though he was in the game long enough for 22 carries and 116 yards rushing and 2 TDs... Obviously he didn't miss that many snaps. But lets act like both losses were equal :rolleyes: Yeah, that equals out, but I'm not trying to act like a RB = a QB in terms of loss.

GuerillaBlack
01-08-2010, 07:17 AM
lol, Gilbert threw an interception to Arenas.

Kaiser Toro
01-08-2010, 07:28 AM
Mack is gonna have to let that young man air it out. If he's gonna pass, might as well take a deep shot when you do... IMO.

I was yelling at the TV for Davis to allow Gilbert to air it out and get a feel. Davis single handedly killed the Longhorns after the McCoy injury. The first half was so Kubiak & Kids that I had that sick feeling in my stomach again.

BattleRedToro
01-08-2010, 08:09 AM
Alabama was not the better team. They barely beat our second string offense.

Don't claim your team was better than the team that just beat your team. It makes you look like a crybaby.

I wish Colt McCoy hadn't been injured so I could hear some other whining excuses for why the Longhorns lost, instead of just accepting that Alabama played better, which makes them the better team atleast for that night.

Scooter
01-08-2010, 08:17 AM
gilbert didnt stand a chance. between the playcalling, drops, and officiating ... the dude was doomed. who DIDNT tell their television in the first quarter "ok, you have to let the kid try to join the game eventually"? run, run, 3rd and 14 - good luck freshman. williams couldnt catch a cold, shipley had atleast 2 drops, and the far side line judges wouldnt have called a foul for beating someone with a stick. not that anything was inconsistant per team ... near side judges called a couple of penalties for looking at someone the wrong way.

anyone remember the crap that kubiak got for allowing grossman to throw when schaub went down? yeah ... there's the alternative.

Silver Oak
01-08-2010, 08:22 AM
last nights unannounced entertainment. sure wish the police would start using tasers to bring these guys down.

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4264/1262929898518.jpg

Scooter
01-08-2010, 08:30 AM
Don't claim your team was better than the team that just beat your team. It makes you look like a crybaby.

I wish Colt McCoy hadn't been injured so I could hear some other whining excuses for why the Longhorns lost, instead of just accepting that Alabama played better, which makes them the better team atleast for that night.

first, i hate UT. second ... what game did you watch? with colt, the game ends 45-10 texas. congrats alabama ... you were able to stop a spread offense running the ball exclusively for 3 quarters behind a true freshman quarterback, but needed a few gifts to do so. ummm, no.

Blake
01-08-2010, 08:34 AM
Texas' defense was awesome.

BattleRedToro
01-08-2010, 08:42 AM
:cry2:first, i hate UT. second ... what game did you watch? with colt, the game ends 45-10 texas. congrats alabama ... you were able to stop a spread offense running the ball exclusively for 3 quarters behind a true freshman quarterback, but needed a few gifts to do so. ummm, no.

:cry2:

gwallaia
01-08-2010, 08:52 AM
... what game did you watch? with colt, the game ends 45-10 texas.

This is why I like internet message boards.

kastofsna
01-08-2010, 09:03 AM
Didn't you call this two years ago?

i dunno, what did i say?

Mr teX
01-08-2010, 09:18 AM
first, i hate UT. second ... what game did you watch? with colt, the game ends 45-10 texas. congrats alabama ... you were able to stop a spread offense running the ball exclusively for 3 quarters behind a true freshman quarterback, but needed a few gifts to do so. ummm, no.

:gun:..logic like this is why i have to take breaks from this place at times..

HoustonFrog
01-08-2010, 09:20 AM
You know how they constantly tell us that Shipley is McCoy's roommate. Well I hope that Williams kid isn't Gilbert's roommate, because he must hate him. Did he drop 6-7 passes, including a TD.

I agree with someone above...I'm a TCU guy but UT is winning this game, IMHO, with McCoy. The running game, with the speed backs, wasn't too shabby. Colts's poise and accurary doesn't give Ala that mo or run in the 1st half.

WWJD
01-08-2010, 09:22 AM
Too bad. I was pulling for UT.

Goatcheese
01-08-2010, 09:32 AM
I was impressed with Earl Thomas' run defense. Other guys were bouncing off Ingram, but when he got 2 hands on him it was hit, wrap and play over. None of this lower your shoulder and bounce off horse shit.

Texan_Bill
01-08-2010, 09:42 AM
Tackling, tackling, tackling. :cool:

It's a shame for the 'Sips that Colt got knocked out of the game. I thought Texas had a legitimate chance to win that game.

Why didn't VY touch Colt's head? After all, Vince has "healing powers".

SheTexan
01-08-2010, 09:42 AM
Injuries are part of the game which you had best be prepared for with depth. I honestly have to say this for Mack Brown - he did the RIGHT thing by Colt. He took the big picture on his future health and/or career by keeping him out.

I bet Mack Brown had nothing to do with that decision. Colts DAD looked like he was pretty much in control of that situation. NO WAY was that man gonna let MB ruin his son's chances in the NFL. JMO!!

Mr teX
01-08-2010, 09:43 AM
So a RB = a QB. :rolleyes: That logic is so flawed I'm not even going to comment. Especially with the backup option Bama has.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching about the loss....Texas lost, but to act like losing Colt didn't drastically change the game is ignorant.

Nobody's saying it didn't hurt texas to lose colt, but it does explain in part why Bama struggled a bit to execute their run game in the 2nd half when the main guy that makes your offense go misses over half the 3rd & 4th quarters due to cramps or whatever it was.

A key part of why Ingram was so good this year is b/c of yards after contact & undoubtedly some of the times Richardson was tackled Ingram would've broken through them to extend the play..

Second Honeymoon
01-08-2010, 09:43 AM
I bet Mack Brown had nothing to do with that decision. Colts DAD looked like he was pretty much in control of that situation. NO WAY was that man gonna let MB ruin his son's chances in the NFL. JMO!!

what chances? i was never a huge Colt guy because of his size, but I felt sorry for the guy.

anyone who got pleasure out of seeing Texas lose is a loser, fwiw.

Mr teX
01-08-2010, 09:44 AM
what chances? i was never a huge Colt guy because of his size, but I felt sorry for the guy.

anyone who got pleasure out of seeing Texas lose is a loser, fwiw.

well call me a loser then...

Texan_Bill
01-08-2010, 09:46 AM
anyone who got pleasure out of seeing Texas lose is a loser, fwiw.

Anyone who tries to dictate who one should root for is a loser.

*EDIT*
fwiw. It ain't worth snot.

Texan_Bill
01-08-2010, 09:46 AM
well call me a loser then...

You're not a loser because Doug says so.

Mr teX
01-08-2010, 09:49 AM
You're not a loser because Doug says so.

It doesn't bother me what doug says, b/c at the end of the day i go home to the wife & kids......& also i know it's b/c he's a bit upset about last nights result.....:whip:

headsplint
01-08-2010, 09:49 AM
i was never a huge Colt guy because of his size, .

Huh?

Scooter
01-08-2010, 09:50 AM
:gun:..logic like this is why i have to take breaks from this place at times..

where did i miss? UT stops the first drive and sniffs out the trick play, drives the ball and their spread offense (you know, the easy 2pt conversion type) is handcuffed at the 1yrd line by "oh noes, colt's out we should try to bulldoze when we're not a heavy team" - i thought you learned that from kubiak. UT kicks short and capitolizes on a mistake ... with gilbert and an OC that could actually locate his testicles this is a touchdown on momentum alone. at the end of the half ... worst case scenario, when do you see colt not only throwing, but missing an inside toss? nevermind that with 15 seconds left texas would be going into halftime favorably.

alabama won PFG ... which is points from gilbert. they dang sure didnt do anything else. alabama's pass defense was exposed, and only being ignored right now because of drops and UT's offensive coordinator being a tool. last i heard, the new york jets are filing a protest for a game being given away.

i tend to root for texas based teams but found myself more often cheering for alabama. this game only showed me again that the best team doesnt always win.

WWJD
01-08-2010, 09:51 AM
It didn't matter what Colt's dad thought or didn't..Colt said after the game his arm was dead and he couldn't feel it. He tried throwing in the tunnel and couldn't. There was no way he was going back in that game.

I thought the frosh played admirably..he made a ton of mistakes but he'll learn and I can only imagine the butterflies in his stomach were the size of the new skyscaper in Dubai.

They'll just reload. They always do.

Texan_Bill
01-08-2010, 09:51 AM
It doesn't bother me what doug says, b/c at the end of the day i go home to the wife & kids......& also i know it's b/c he's a bit upset about last nights result.....:whip:

Right on!!! Good for you, bro!!

I have to admit that for one of those rare moments I was pulling for Texas University, but I'm not all butt hurt because they lost.

Texan_Bill
01-08-2010, 10:03 AM
F.U. Shorthorn Scott!!


Hey Longhorn Scott,

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/billbink/ambulance.png

Silver Oak
01-08-2010, 10:08 AM
It doesn't bother me what doug says, b/c at the end of the day i go home to the wife & kids......& also i know it's b/c he's a bit upset about last nights result.....:whip:


http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/Chuck_Norris_Approves.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=2319)

JDizzle
01-08-2010, 10:09 AM
Further proof the SEC is the superior conference in all of JV football. Texas loses, I am happy.

Can't wait to watch real football tomorrow night though.

michaelm
01-08-2010, 10:13 AM
Some times the anti Longhorn crowd is as obnoxious as they accuse Longhorn fans of being...

Hardcore Texan
01-08-2010, 10:14 AM
some times the anti longhorn crowd is as obnoxious as they accuse longhorn fans of being...

qft!

JDizzle
01-08-2010, 10:16 AM
Some times the anti Longhorn crowd is as obnoxious as they accuse Longhorn fans of being...

That's the point. See when I have to go the entire season surrounded by smug longhorn fans it's nice to rub it in some when they get beat by a better team.

Silver Oak
01-08-2010, 10:16 AM
:thinking:

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/mattgid/tuacademy.jpg

rmartin65
01-08-2010, 10:16 AM
Some times the anti Longhorn crowd is as obnoxious as they accuse Longhorn fans of being...

Eh, its like politics, people see it how they want to see it. Personally, I see people from both sides acting pretty obnoxious. And that is why I am staying out of it, I dont feel like contributing to that.

Texan_Bill
01-08-2010, 10:17 AM
Some times the anti Longhorn crowd is as obnoxious as they accuse Longhorn fans of being...

Two words: Longhorn Scott

Mr teX
01-08-2010, 10:17 AM
where did i miss? UT stops the first drive and sniffs out the trick play, drives the ball and their spread offense (you know, the easy 2pt conversion type) is handcuffed at the 1yrd line by "oh noes, colt's out we should try to bulldoze when we're not a heavy team" - i thought you learned that from kubiak. UT kicks short and capitolizes on a mistake ... with gilbert and an OC that could actually locate his testicles this is a touchdown on momentum alone. at the end of the half ... worst case scenario, when do you see colt not only throwing, but missing an inside toss? nevermind that with 15 seconds left texas would be going into halftime favorably.

alabama won PFG ... which is points from gilbert. they dang sure didnt do anything else. alabama's pass defense was exposed, and only being ignored right now because of drops and UT's offensive coordinator being a tool. last i heard, the new york jets are filing a protest for a game being given away.

i tend to root for texas based teams but found myself more often cheering for alabama. this game only showed me again that the best team doesnt always win.


#1... If you go by McCoy's performance's against top defenses this year (terrible) It's not a guarantee he's gonna lite it up...#2 Bama blitzed damn near every 3rd & long against young gilbert. If McCoy's in the game it's unlikely that they have the same game plan, they probably sit back in coverage more. #3, Gilbert didn't miss on the inside toss, Newton bobbled it & was immediately hit.....that was a dumb play call simply from the standpoint, It's unlikely you gain enough to put yourself in fg range at the end of the half..They should've had him kneel it...

mcCoy's injury didn't just alter UT's game plan, it altered bama's as well.

Mr teX
01-08-2010, 10:20 AM
:thinking:

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/mattgid/tuacademy.jpg

epic fail

Khari
01-08-2010, 10:23 AM
:thinking:

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/mattgid/tuacademy.jpg

is that in austin or houston? lol

Texan_Bill
01-08-2010, 10:23 AM
:thinking:

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/mattgid/tuacademy.jpg

epic fail

:lol:

Ole Miss Texan
01-08-2010, 10:31 AM
Great post Mr teX. It's unfortunate Colt got injured, I just wanted to see a well-fought, close game with no injuries.

That injury effected so much in the game. For Texas, bringing in a true freshman in the national championship game against the #1 team in the nation brings a lot of pressure on the kid. On offense, they had to slow the game down for him, be conservative and run the ball. As Pete Carroll said, 65-70% of their playcalls go out the window. In the 2nd half, they did a good job of getting the ball out of his hands quickly. Once they established this, then they could take some chances downfield (see two TD passes). This effected Texas' defense tremendously, especially in the 1st half too. They were on the field a TON more because their O went 3 and out or had a turnover in like 6 straight drives. This does not help the defense at all.

For Alabama, their defensive strategy shifted from contain contain contain colt mccoy... to pressure the heck out of the frosh and force him to make bad decisions and go down field. For Alabama's offense, their strategy obviously was to pound the football over and over. Run the clock out and don't give Texas time to come back. Their offensive playcalling became overly conservative to pound the rock and at all costs DONT turn the ball over.

Those 4 coordinators and 2 head coaches deserved their salary last night.... wasn't the best game but they were ALL forced to coach on the fly.

michaelm
01-08-2010, 11:13 AM
That's the point. See when I have to go the entire season surrounded by smug longhorn fans it's nice to rub it in some when they get beat by a better team.

Understandable. Everybody handles this kind of stuff in their own way.

This isn't pointed at you, but when I see Joe Blow criticize another person or group for being obnoxious, then at the very first opportunity Joe Blow turns around and is obnoxious back at them, I pretty much know what I can expect from that dude.

9 times out of 10, Joe Blow is probably just another obnoxious dude, but his team isn't a perennial top ten team, so his opportunities to express his obnoxiousness are limited...

Second Honeymoon
01-08-2010, 11:45 AM
Anyone who tries to dictate who one should root for is a loser.

*EDIT*
It ain't worth snot.

i didn't tell anyone who to root for, i just think revelling in another team's misfortune when your own team sucks (not necessarily yours, bill) and is pretty pathetic. if your a Bama fan, you can revel in the misfortune but if your just some bitterman and you are just basking in Texas' failure to win another NC then you are a loser...whether you like it or not.

i am proud of the way Texas showed some heart and if you want to look at the glass as half full, we did get a true freshman some very good experience last night. and mr. tex, i am not butt hurt. it wasn't that painful of a loss. Bama was the better team last night and if Colt plays there is no guarantee that Texas wins.

Colt's lack of size and inability to take a good hit, came back to haunt Texas....again. Never really been a huge Colt guy and last night he showed me why. He just doesn't have the size and physicality to compete with the big boys of the NCAA much less the NFL....and if his dad kept him out to preserve his NFL chances...he probably did the exact opposite. Sadly, it wasn't his dad's call supposedly. Guy can't even feel his arm and I am sure that would be tough to play QB against anyone if you can't feel your arm.

Teams will be afraid of him due to lack of size. he is Major Applewhite - The Sequel except he beats OU.

Texan_Bill
01-08-2010, 11:58 AM
i didn't tell anyone who to root for, i just think revelling in another team's misfortune when your own team sucks (not necessarily yours, bill) and is pretty pathetic. if your a Bama fan, you can revel in the misfortune but if your just some bitterman and you are just basking in Texas' failure to win another NC then you are a loser...whether you like it or not.

i am proud of the way Texas showed some heart and if you want to look at the glass as half full, we did get a true freshman some very good experience last night. and mr. tex, i am not butt hurt. it wasn't that painful of a loss. Bama was the better team last night and if Colt plays there is no guarantee that Texas wins.

Colt's lack of size and inability to take a good hit, came back to haunt Texas....again. Never really been a huge Colt guy and last night he showed me why. He just doesn't have the size and physicality to compete with the big boys of the NCAA much less the NFL....and if his dad kept him out to preserve his NFL chances...he probably did the exact opposite. Sadly, it wasn't his dad's call supposedly. Guy can't even feel his arm and I am sure that would be tough to play QB against anyone if you can't feel your arm.

Teams will be afraid of him due to lack of size. he is Major Applewhite - The Sequel except he beats OU.

Let me preface by saying that I actually wanted Texas to win (and that's very hard for me to admit). Any criticisms or reveling in a Texas loss is self induced. Many of Texas' fan base are extremely arrogant (see the VY saga). With that said, it was a good game and the frosh acquitted himself nicely IMO.

With regards to McCoys size, did you feel the same way about Drew Brees when he was coming out of Purdue.

McCoy: 6'-2"; 210 lbs.
Brees: 6'-1"; 209 lbs.

(Note: not comparing skillz - just size)

Khari
01-08-2010, 12:01 PM
i've been a good girl and haven't even brought up the loss at work......even to the people that give me crap when the texans lose......

Second Honeymoon
01-08-2010, 12:04 PM
Let me preface by saying that I actually wanted Texas to win (and that's very hard for me to admit). Any criticisms or reveling in a Texas loss is self induced. Many of Texas' fan base are extremely arrogant (see the VY saga). With that said, it was a good game and the frosh acquitted himself nicely IMO.

With regards to McCoys size, did you feel the same way about Drew Brees when he was coming out of Purdue.

McCoy: 6'-2"; 210 lbs.
Brees: 6'-1"; 209 lbs.

(Note: not comparing skillz - just size)

I wasn't that enamored with Brees when he came out and that was a lot due to size and somewhat to due with me perceiving him as a system QB out of Purdue. Obviously, Brees has proven me wrong on that note. Yup, I was wrong about something. I know. hard to believe, huh?

As for the measurements of McCoy, I think you might be reading the UT Media Program for his height. There is no way in hell he is actually 6'2". No way. He is between 6'0 and 6'1 and just can't take a good hit. That hit last night had no business taking the QB out.

As for me labeling you as someone who is revelling in the loss, I didn't read that anywhere in this thread from you. Mostly it has been on the radio (1560 trolling for Longhorn Scott) and by some of the losers at work and on this board. No big deal, its just football. I have more important things to worry about like why the hell my electric bill was $550. My heater must really suck the life out of electricity. time to re-budget because with a newborn we gotta keep the house warm and its cold as **** out there right now.

Mr teX
01-08-2010, 12:05 PM
i didn't tell anyone who to root for, i just think revelling in another team's misfortune when your own team sucks (not necessarily yours, bill) and is pretty pathetic. if your a Bama fan, you can revel in the misfortune but if your just some bitterman and you are just basking in Texas' failure to win another NC then you are a loser...whether you like it or not.

i am proud of the way Texas showed some heart and if you want to look at the glass as half full, we did get a true freshman some very good experience last night. and mr. tex, i am not butt hurt. it wasn't that painful of a loss. Bama was the better team last night and if Colt plays there is no guarantee that Texas wins.
Colt's lack of size and inability to take a good hit, came back to haunt Texas....again. Never really been a huge Colt guy and last night he showed me why. He just doesn't have the size and physicality to compete with the big boys of the NCAA much less the NFL....and if his dad kept him out to preserve his NFL chances...he probably did the exact opposite. Sadly, it wasn't his dad's call supposedly. Guy can't even feel his arm and I am sure that would be tough to play QB against anyone if you can't feel your arm.

Teams will be afraid of him due to lack of size. he is Major Applewhite - The Sequel except he beats OU.

Now, see i can respect that...hell would have to freeze over for many other UT fans to admit as much...just gets under my skin to hear these morons on the radio & elsewhere talk as if it was a sure win had colt played. Just not true. Then still others "well, there should be an asterik b/c they had to play a freshman qb.." whatever. I didn't hear them crying when they beat OU who had to start their Freshman qb earlier this year.

Scooter
01-08-2010, 12:06 PM
#1... If you go by McCoy's performance's against top defenses this year (terrible) It's not a guarantee he's gonna lite it up...#2 Bama blitzed damn near every 3rd & long against young gilbert. If McCoy's in the game it's unlikely that they have the same game plan, they probably sit back in coverage more. #3, Gilbert didn't miss on the inside toss, Newton bobbled it & was immediately hit.....that was a dumb play call simply from the standpoint, It's unlikely you gain enough to put yourself in fg range at the end of the half..They should've had him kneel it...

mcCoy's injury didn't just alter UT's game plan, it altered bama's as well.

again, i cant emphasize this more ... i in no way want to defend colt or UT.

1 ... nobody said a word about colt lighting it up. he finishes and as he's done as the winningest quarterback in NCAA is able to establish and complete against the best defenses. 2 .... bama didnt change anything about their defense for gilbert. they did exactly what they planned for colt - win the line against the rush, blitz inside to prevent colt from running, and adjust to the most successful outside play. 3 ... dumb call. the game is no worse than 17-6 at halftime without that play and wouldnt even be an option with colt. the same could be said that with colt it's 14-0 after saban's "WTF" fake punt and muffed kick return.

JDizzle
01-08-2010, 12:12 PM
i've been a good girl and haven't even brought up the loss at work......even to the people that give me crap when the texans lose......

Get motivated!

Second Honeymoon
01-08-2010, 12:13 PM
Now, see i can respect that...hell would have to freeze over for many other UT fans to admit as much...just gets under my skin to hear these morons on the radio & elsewhere talk as if it was a sure win had colt played. Just not true. Then still others "well, there should be an asterik b/c they had to play a freshman qb.." whatever. I didn't hear them crying when they beat OU who had to start their Freshman qb earlier this year.

Colt isn't that great. He struggled more than his fair share this year and he has thrown way too many picks. I was glad to see Gilbert out there getting some experience against an NFL-sized defense and obviously in a big game atmosphere. We are going to need him to play well against OU early next year.

Great point about the OU win this year. They lost Bradford and we didn't hold a pity party for them...that ruined their season.

Oh here is another thought. Just imagine how much Texas would have gotten rolled by Florida instead of Alabama. If we lose Colt to injury against Florida, things could have gotten ugly. Luckily Saban's philosophy kept us in the game. Urban Myer would have rolled up big points.

WWJD
01-08-2010, 12:19 PM
Well Colt will be gone next year and the Horns will be fine with Gilbert who I think has a huge upside...he had everything go wrong last night that could and he hung in there and still made some plays.

If anything UT needs to go get some receivers that can catch. They're gonna be fine at QB.

Texan_Bill
01-08-2010, 12:20 PM
I wasn't that enamored with Brees when he came out and that was a lot due to size and somewhat to due with me perceiving him as a system QB out of Purdue. Obviously, Brees has proven me wrong on that note. Yup, I was wrong about something. I know. hard to believe, huh?

As for the measurements of McCoy, I think you might be reading the UT Media Program for his height. There is no way in hell he is actually 6'2". No way. He is between 6'0 and 6'1 and just can't take a good hit. That hit last night had no business taking the QB out.

As for me labeling you as someone who is revelling in the loss, I didn't read that anywhere in this thread from you. Mostly it has been on the radio (1560 trolling for Longhorn Scott) and by some of the losers at work and on this board. No big deal, its just football. I have more important things to worry about like why the hell my electric bill was $550. My heater must really suck the life out of electricity. time to re-budget because with a newborn we gotta keep the house warm and its cold as **** out there right now.

First off, get that light bill squared away. That's ridiculous!!

The stats (height and weight) I got for McCoy were from ESPN.go.com: Colt McCoy (http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175772). Since I've never met Colt I can only go by what I read, although I know that heights and weights are manipulated all the time.

Ya know, I kinda felt the same way about Brees when he first came out too. We were both wrong on that one. Maybe that's why I don't discount McCoy as a QB, although I do agree that that hit didn't look bad enough to knock someone out of a national championship game.

Mr teX
01-08-2010, 12:32 PM
again, i cant emphasize this more ... i in no way want to defend colt or UT.

1 ... nobody said a word about colt lighting it up. he finishes and as he's done as the winningest quarterback in NCAA is able to establish and complete against the best defenses. 2 .... bama didnt change anything about their defense for gilbert. they did exactly what they planned for colt - win the line against the rush, blitz inside to prevent colt from running, and adjust to the most successful outside play. 3 ... dumb call. the game is no worse than 17-6 at halftime without that play and wouldnt even be an option with colt. the same could be said that with colt it's 14-0 after saban's "WTF" fake punt and muffed kick return.

Sure, Bama's defensive gameplan didn't change any with UT having to go to their freshman Qb...who'd only thrown 26 passes all year......in garbage time...against garbage teams..:rolleyes: & Why in the hell would they be worried about Colt running the ball with a 360 lb monster in the middle & them primarily playing zone? They weren't playing against VY or Tebow, 2 guys who primarily got it done on the ground.

& Unless you were in the film room & study sessions with Bama, i can't see how you would know what the gameplan for Colt would've been in 2 short series.

& how exactly do you know that the shuffle pass wasn't an option for McCoy. If anything, it probably would've worked better for him since, Bama wouldn't have been expecting it.. but it was a dumb call from UT's stand point in that there was only 30 something seconds left in the game, you've got a qb who's reeling & it's very unlikely you'll move the ball enough to get into FG range. Should've just kneeled it & went to half-time to lick your wounds.

I get that the half-time score would've been different but to what extent no noone really knows.

Scooter
01-08-2010, 12:33 PM
edit.

disaacks3
01-08-2010, 01:00 PM
#1... If you go by McCoy's performance's against top defenses this year (terrible) It's not a guarantee he's gonna lite it up...#2 Bama blitzed damn near every 3rd & long against young gilbert. If McCoy's in the game it's unlikely that they have the same game plan, they probably sit back in coverage more. #3, Gilbert didn't miss on the inside toss, Newton bobbled it & was immediately hit.....that was a dumb play call simply from the standpoint, It's unlikely you gain enough to put yourself in fg range at the end of the half..They should've had him kneel it...

mcCoy's injury didn't just alter UT's game plan, it altered bama's as well. But the UT homers just won't let go the "McCoy is God" fable (see VY-effect). They fail to recognize that 'Bama had game-planned for Colt and that they had to re-plan defensively the moment he went down. I've heard that Bama losing their HEISMAN-winning RB early in the 3rd wasn't a big impact either. (I guess those people missed the first half) So, everything went against UT and nothing against Bama and that UT still almost came back. (I guess those folks missed the first two series.)

COULDA-WOULDA-SHOULDA - Injuries are part of the game, deal with it. If Sam Bradford doesn't go down in the Oklahoma game, then UT isn't IN this game at all. Sorry, can't have it both ways - You win as a team or lose as one.

treduke
01-08-2010, 01:10 PM
http://houndstooth.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/crimsontide.jpg
roll tide!!
i lost a bet it was either this or wear a crimson suit and a bear bryant hat to a party tonight!

Scooter
01-08-2010, 01:13 PM
it's a pretty slick hat ....

treduke
01-08-2010, 01:17 PM
it's a pretty slick hat ....

yeah i would've worn just the hat but the crimson suit with the elephant tie was too much! i still might wear the hat though

Vinny
01-08-2010, 01:31 PM
This season Bama reminded me of some of those old Nebraska teams back when the big boy College teams ran the ball in a dominant manner. Thier stable of backs and ball handlers combined with a big time red zone defense is a beautiful thing to watch.

treduke
01-08-2010, 01:40 PM
This season Bama reminded me of some of those old Nebraska teams back when the big boy College teams ran the ball in a dominant manner. Thier stable of backs and ball handlers combined with a big time red zone defense is a beautiful thing to watch.

i'm not old enough to remember those "old" nebraska teams but i remember being 12 and watching that '95 nebraska team just dominate everybody!
still to this day the most impressive season i've seen

bah007
01-08-2010, 02:21 PM
Boy am I glad I stayed out of this thread last night!

I have a couple of things I wanted to add about my thoughts on the game.

First off, congrats to Alabama. I personally feel that they caught all the breaks last night but that doesn't really matter. They took advantage of the things that fell their way and did what they were supposed to do. Champions finish the way Alabama finished and they deserved to win.

Second, I feel like my team was disrespected coming into this game. Nobody gave us a chance in hell and if I had said that we would only be down 3 with 3 minutes left y'all would have called me a homer and a moron. I know that a lot of UT fans act like the rest of y'all should just bow down to us but I don't feel that way. I hope that the heart my team showed last night earned the respect of a few of you "haters".

On to the game:

I put the offense's failures squarely on the shoulders of Greg Davis and the WRs. I know Gilbert made some mistakes. He made a few bad throws and two of the INTs were his fault. But I counted 9 dropped passes by Texas, one of which would have surely been a TD and two others that led directly to INTs (Monroe on the shovel pass and Goodwin on the last pick).

Davis handcuffed the offense because he was scared to let Gilbert play. On top of that, Gilbert got absolutely no help from the players around him until late in the third quarter. Shipley was nails in the second half though. Stepped up big time when we needed someone to make plays.

I thought the defense was amazing. I feel like only 17 of the 37 Alabama points should be attributed to the defense. The offense gave them the other 20. Texas' gameplan was to make the Tide one dimensional on offense and they did. Sure they gave up 205 rushing yards but they kept Bama under 300 yards of total offense for the game. They had as many sacks as McElroy had completed passes. They allowed the Tide only 3 yards of offense in the third quarter. Now I know that some of that can be contributed to Bama going conservative late in the game and I admit that. But the Texas defense kept us in the game long enough for us to have a shot to win. That's all you could ask of them really.

treduke
01-08-2010, 02:22 PM
Boy am I glad I stayed out of this thread last night!

I have a couple of things I wanted to add about my thoughts on the game.

First off, congrats to Alabama. I personally feel that they caught all the breaks last night but that doesn't really matter. They took advantage of the things that fell their way and did what they were supposed to do. Champions finish the way Alabama finished and they deserved to win.

Second, I feel like my team was disrespected coming into this game. Nobody gave us a chance in hell and if I had said that we would only be down 3 with 3 minutes left y'all would have called me a homer and a moron. I know that a lot of UT fans act like the rest of y'all should just bow down to us but I don't feel that way. I hope that the heart my team showed last night earned the respect of a few of you "haters".

On to the game:

I put the offense's failures squarely on the shoulders of Greg Davis and the WRs. I know Gilbert made some mistakes. He made a few bad throws and two of the INTs were his fault. But I counted 9 dropped passes by Texas, one of which would have surely been a TD and two others that led directly to INTs (Monroe on the shovel pass and Goodwin on the last pick).

Davis handcuffed the offense because he was scared to let Gilbert play. On top of that, Gilbert got absolutely no help from the players around him until late in the third quarter. Shipley was nails in the second half.

:bravo:

HOU-TEX
01-08-2010, 02:33 PM
Boy am I glad I stayed out of this thread last night!

I have a couple of things I wanted to add about my thoughts on the game.

First off, congrats to Alabama. I personally feel that they caught all the breaks last night but that doesn't really matter. They took advantage of the things that fell their way and did what they were supposed to do. Champions finish the way Alabama finished and they deserved to win.

Second, I feel like my team was disrespected coming into this game. Nobody gave us a chance in hell and if I had said that we would only be down 3 with 3 minutes left y'all would have called me a homer and a moron. I know that a lot of UT fans act like the rest of y'all should just bow down to us but I don't feel that way. I hope that the heart my team showed last night earned the respect of a few of you "haters".

On to the game:

I put the offense's failures squarely on the shoulders of Greg Davis and the WRs. I know Gilbert made some mistakes. He made a few bad throws and two of the INTs were his fault. But I counted 9 dropped passes by Texas, one of which would have surely been a TD and two others that led directly to INTs (Monroe on the shovel pass and Goodwin on the last pick).

Davis handcuffed the offense because he was scared to let Gilbert play. On top of that, Gilbert got absolutely no help from the players around him until late in the third quarter. Shipley was nails in the second half though. Stepped up big time when we needed someone to make plays.

I thought the defense was amazing. I feel like only 17 of the 37 Alabama points should be attributed to the defense. The offense gave them the other 20. Texas' gameplan was to make the Tide one dimensional on offense and they did. Sure they gave up 205 rushing yards but they kept Bama under 300 yards of total offense for the game. They had as many sacks as McElroy had completed passes. They allowed the Tide only 3 yards of offense in the third quarter. Now I know that some of that can be contributed to Bama going conservative late in the game and I admit that. But the Texas defense kept us in the game long enough for us to have a shot to win. That's all you could ask of them really.

I normally am rooting for UT, but I'm not "in depth" as far as knowledge about the on-goings of the program. You're obviously in tune with what goes on with UT, so I want to ask you an honest question.

Has Gilbert been the direct backup to Colt? I know Chiles used to be before he switched to WR. It seems strange that Mack's only backup option would be a true Freshman. Why is this?

It looks like Gilbert might have a bright future ahead of him, but a true Frosh to debut (other than mop up) in a National Championship?

Mr teX
01-08-2010, 02:34 PM
Boy am I glad I stayed out of this thread last night!

I have a couple of things I wanted to add about my thoughts on the game.

First off, congrats to Alabama. I personally feel that they caught all the breaks last night but that doesn't really matter. They took advantage of the things that fell their way and did what they were supposed to do. Champions finish the way Alabama finished and they deserved to win.

Second, I feel like my team was disrespected coming into this game. Nobody gave us a chance in hell and if I had said that we would only be down 3 with 3 minutes left y'all would have called me a homer and a moron. I know that a lot of UT fans act like the rest of y'all should just bow down to us but I don't feel that way. I hope that the heart my team showed last night earned the respect of a few of you "haters".

On to the game:

I put the offense's failures squarely on the shoulders of Greg Davis and the WRs. I know Gilbert made some mistakes. He made a few bad throws and two of the INTs were his fault. But I counted 9 dropped passes by Texas, one of which would have surely been a TD and two others that led directly to INTs (Monroe on the shovel pass and Goodwin on the last pick).

Davis handcuffed the offense because he was scared to let Gilbert play. On top of that, Gilbert got absolutely no help from the players around him until late in the third quarter. Shipley was nails in the second half though. Stepped up big time when we needed someone to make plays.

I thought the defense was amazing. I feel like only 17 of the 37 Alabama points should be attributed to the defense. The offense gave them the other 20. Texas' gameplan was to make the Tide one dimensional on offense and they did. Sure they gave up 205 rushing yards but they kept Bama under 300 yards of total offense for the game. They had as many sacks as McElroy had completed passes. They allowed the Tide only 3 yards of offense in the third quarter. Now I know that some of that can be contributed to Bama going conservative late in the game and I admit that. But the Texas defense kept us in the game long enough for us to have a shot to win. That's all you could ask of them really.

Fair, unbiased.....:goodpost:

bah007
01-08-2010, 02:40 PM
I normally am rooting for UT, but I'm not "in depth" as far as knowledge about the on-goings of the program. You're obviously in tune with what goes on with UT, so I want to ask you an honest question.

Has Gilbert been the direct backup to Colt? I know Chiles used to be before he switched to WR. It seems strange that Mack's only backup option would be a true Freshman. Why is this?

It looks like Gilbert might have a bright future ahead of him, but a true Frosh to debut (other than mop up) in a National Championship?

Gilbert is the #2 QB at Texas and has been ever since the spring. John Chiles never had a chance but Mack promised him he could at least compete at QB. He was never gonna play and finally saw the writing on the wall and moved over to WR.

The only other choice was Sherrod Harris. Gilbert beat him out head to head for the #2 job in the spring.

I had every confidence in Gilbert. He was the #1 QB in high school last year and he was by far the best QB on our roster when Colt got hurt.

I know he is only a freshman but it is the coaching staff's fault that he wasn't completely prepared. The only position on the entire team where we didn't have extensive experience among our backups was at QB. Although Shipley is our best player on offense, the one guy we could not afford to lose was Colt because we had nobody with experience behind him.

Gilbert has a NFL arm already. He has a bright future ahead of him.

WolverineFan
01-08-2010, 02:45 PM
I normally am rooting for UT, but I'm not "in depth" as far as knowledge about the on-goings of the program. You're obviously in tune with what goes on with UT, so I want to ask you an honest question.

Has Gilbert been the direct backup to Colt? I know Chiles used to be before he switched to WR. It seems strange that Mack's only backup option would be a true Freshman. Why is this?

It looks like Gilbert might have a bright future ahead of him, but a true Frosh to debut (other than mop up) in a National Championship?

Yes he is. Originally they had Jevan Snead, but he transferred. Then they had John Chiles, but he was moved to WR. Now they have Sherrod Harris, who is an upperclassmen that has not ever taken a snap to my knowledge, and Gilbert, who is a blue chip prospect and reigning Gatorade National Player of the Year.

Everybody seems to be getting down on Mack because they didn't have an experienced backup, but in this day and age there is no way they were going to be able to get a good QB recruit and convince him to waste half his career sitting on the bench. Young kids want to play and they have that opportunity now more than ever before. Gilbert was the backup because he was the best QB left on the roster and because for the next 3 years he is the man.

HOU-TEX
01-08-2010, 02:46 PM
Gilbert is the #2 QB at Texas and has been ever since the spring. John Chiles never had a chance but Mack promised him he could at least compete at QB. He was never gonna play and finally saw the writing on the wall and moved over to WR.

The only other choice was Sherrod Harris. Gilbert beat him out head to head for the #2 job in the spring.

I had every confidence in Gilbert. He was the #1 QB in high school last year and he was by far the best QB on our roster when Colt got hurt.

I know he is only a freshman but it is the coaching staff's fault that he wasn't completely prepared. The only position on the entire team where we didn't have extensive experience among our backups was at QB. Although Shipley is our best player on offense, the one guy we could not afford to lose was Colt because we had nobody with experience behind him.

Gilbert has a NFL arm already. He has a bright future ahead of him.

Definitely agree with that, even though Gilbert seemed to look like he was getting comfortable towards the end of the game. Too little, too late I reckon.

Yes, he does appear to have a bright future. He'll obviously have plenty of time as the starter.

Texan_Bill
01-08-2010, 02:47 PM
Second, I feel like my team was disrespected coming into this game. Nobody gave us a chance in hell and if I had said that we would only be down 3 with 3 minutes left y'all would have called me a homer and a moron. I know that a lot of UT fans act like the rest of y'all should just bow down to us but I don't feel that way. I hope that the heart my team showed last night earned the respect of a few of you "haters".

I'm no fan of Texas but I actually picked Texas to win last night. Things were turning out as I expected until it became painfully obvious that McCoy was not coming back. I felt like Mack Brown was a better coach with a better coaching staff coupled with the great equalizer (30 days to prepare) would propel Texas to a National Championship.

Mr teX
01-08-2010, 02:48 PM
Gilbert is the #2 QB at Texas and has been ever since the spring. John Chiles never had a chance but Mack promised him he could at least compete at QB. He was never gonna play and finally saw the writing on the wall and moved over to WR.

The only other choice was Sherrod Harris. Gilbert beat him out head to head for the #2 job in the spring.

I had every confidence in Gilbert. He was the #1 QB in high school last year and he was by far the best QB on our roster when Colt got hurt.

I know he is only a freshman but it is the coaching staff's fault that he wasn't completely prepared. The only position on the entire team where we didn't have extensive experience among our backups was at QB. Although Shipley is our best player on offense, the one guy we could not afford to lose was Colt because we had nobody with experience behind him.

Gilbert has a NFL arm already. He has a bright future ahead of him.

what happened with Malcolm Williams? he was primed to be a stud off of what i seen of him last year but it didn't translate this year..

Silver Oak
01-08-2010, 03:10 PM
Gilbert is the #2 QB at Texas and has been ever since the spring. John Chiles never had a chance but Mack promised him he could at least compete at QB. He was never gonna play and finally saw the writing on the wall and moved over to WR.

The only other choice was Sherrod Harris. Gilbert beat him out head to head for the #2 job in the spring.

I had every confidence in Gilbert. He was the #1 QB in high school last year and he was by far the best QB on our roster when Colt got hurt.

I know he is only a freshman but it is the coaching staff's fault that he wasn't completely prepared. The only position on the entire team where we didn't have extensive experience among our backups was at QB. Although Shipley is our best player on offense, the one guy we could not afford to lose was Colt because we had nobody with experience behind him.

Gilbert has a NFL arm already. He has a bright future ahead of him.

good take on the game...as usual.

question on the bolded part...why on earth have him run that option play, a play in which there is a damn good chance of getting hit hard by a strong defensive unit, if they have no depth at QB?

hindsight is 20-20, and I realize they ran the play all year long, but it just didn't seem like the right kind of play to be running so deep in Alabama's end after the turnover.

bah007
01-08-2010, 03:13 PM
what happened with Malcolm Williams? he was primed to be a stud off of what i seen of him last year but it didn't translate this year..

Malcolm is what he always has been: The best athlete on the team but he can't catch the damn ball.

We all expected to see him in the starting lineup this year from day one, but he couldn't hack it. He dropped too many balls in practice so John Chiles got the starting nod. When it became apparent that Chiles is just a woeful waste of athleticism Williams got the job. Much like last year against Tech, he played well in only one game this year (A&M).

He has Calvin Johnson measurables but at this point it looks like he will never learn to how catch the ball consistently.

bah007
01-08-2010, 03:18 PM
good take on the game...as usual.

question on the bolded part...why on earth have him run that option play, a play in which there is a damn good chance of getting hit hard by a strong defensive unit, if they have no depth at QB?

hindsight is 20-20, and I realize they ran the play all year long, but it just didn't seem like the right kind of play to be running so deep in Alabama's end after the turnover.

The funny thing is that we have run speed option less than ten times all year. The pundits have been talking all year about how Colt has not been a threat with his feet and it is because we haven't let him. He has been given explicit orders to try not to run with the ball because the coaches wanted him fresh when we actually needed him to run (like we did vs A&M).

Since it was the last game of the year I expect that the coaches figured there was no reason to hold back now. There are no more games after this one. Colt took the hit the wrong way. Instead of putting his shoulder down he turned his back to the guy. He forgot how to take a hit because we have been protecting him from them.

Second Honeymoon
01-08-2010, 04:45 PM
Two words: Longhorn Scott

Scott lost me when he said that Vince Young was a better QB than Schaub and that Schaub is only better than young at holding a clipboard. Vince has some tools and could continue to improve as an NFL QB, but Schaub is light years ahead of him in every aspect except scrambling/running the ball.

Schaub was a Top 5 QB statistically and should be in any sane person's Top 10 QB list overall.

Let the Gilbert era begin. I think he is going to get another opportunity at the BCS National Championship before he is done in Austin.

WWJD
01-08-2010, 05:09 PM
I agree.

The Horns will be fine at QB. That kid can play.

Double Barrel
01-08-2010, 05:23 PM
this game only showed me again that the best team doesnt always win.

I don't understand these kind of statements. What quantifies "better team" if not scoreboard? Isn't that why they play the game?

I could understand the statement if Rice beat UT, but this was the no. 1 vs. the no. 2 teams. Both are deserving and both are very talented.

If you're talking talent on paper, then the run and shoot Oilers were one of the greatest NFL teams in history. Yet, they won...nothing.

I'm not criticizing you, but I've heard this mantra repeated throughout the day today on sports talk radio, Facebook, and in forums. It seems more based on perception than anything else.

p.s. I don't have a dog in this hunt, so I'm not biased for either school.

Some times the anti Longhorn crowd is as obnoxious as they accuse Longhorn fans of being...

The key part of your statement, my friend, is "some times".

Many (not all) Longhorn fans are always obnoxious and arrogant, and I put them in the same classification as Cowboys and Yankee fans. They are so blindingly loyal to their teams that they lose any objectivity.

The haters do not get to spew very often, so when they get that chance, years of built up hatred come out. And all that emotion is but a fraction of the obnoxious behavior often displayed by those they dislike.

This season Bama reminded me of some of those old Nebraska teams back when the big boy College teams ran the ball in a dominant manner. Thier stable of backs and ball handlers combined with a big time red zone defense is a beautiful thing to watch.

I told my dad the same thing today, that they reminded me of those Nebraska teams that would just dominate with fundamentals of running the ball and a stout defense. It's not pretty or finesse, but it obviously gets the job done. I like it, too, and wish our pro team had that kind of backbone and consistency.

axman40
01-08-2010, 05:45 PM
The Horns need a stud running back.
:thinking:

BattleRedToro
01-08-2010, 11:01 PM
For those that keep claiming that the Longhorns were the better team there is no better evidence to the contrary than the fact that the Longhorns aren't the same team without Colt McCoy. You could take any single player off of that Alabama team and they would have still been the same team, just as they were able to run the ball well when Ingram was sidelined. Depth is the best measure of the quality of a TEAM. McCoy may have been the MVP of the game, but the best team was Alabama.

PapaL
01-08-2010, 11:12 PM
Rings out handed out to the "better" team, they're handed to the team with the most points at the end of the game.

UT lost, get over it.

wagonhed
01-09-2010, 06:39 AM
For those that keep claiming that the Longhorns were the better team there is no better evidence to the contrary than the fact that the Longhorns aren't the same team without Colt McCoy. You could take any single player off of that Alabama team and they would have still been the same team, just as they were able to run the ball well when Ingram was sidelined. Depth is the best measure of the quality of a TEAM. McCoy may have been the MVP of the game, but the best team was Alabama.
I guess the Colts aren't that great of a team, then.


Look, Alabama won fair and square, and they are deserving of the national championship. But anyone pretending that losing McCoy wasn't a HUGE blow to Texas is completely ****ing crazy.

If the Texans had made it to a wildcard game and then we lost Matt Schaub in the first quarter and went on to lose, this place would be like a kicked ant pile. Not a single person here would be saying stuff like the Texas haters are saying in this thread.

It's not that Texas proved they are a better team cause they almost won without McCoy. No, that wouldn't be fair. But the fact is we really don't know who the better team is, because Texas lost their chance at showing it when McCoy went down and we had to bring in a freshman with 30 snaps in college, and anyone saying it's obviously Bama just because they won is full of shit.

Silver Oak
01-09-2010, 08:28 AM
But the fact is we really don't know who the better team is, because Texas lost their chance at showing it when McCoy went down and we had to bring in a freshman with 30 snaps in college, and anyone saying it's obviously Bama just because they won is full of shit.

I would counter that anyone who believes Gilbert should have only had 30 snaps, in a season in which Texas had huge leads in many games by the 3rd quarter, is equally full of feces.

BattleRedToro
01-09-2010, 09:28 AM
I guess the Colts aren't that great of a team, then.


Look, Alabama won fair and square, and they are deserving of the national championship. But anyone pretending that losing McCoy wasn't a HUGE blow to Texas is completely ****ing crazy.

If the Texans had made it to a wildcard game and then we lost Matt Schaub in the first quarter and went on to lose, this place would be like a kicked ant pile. Not a single person here would be saying stuff like the Texas haters are saying in this thread.

It's not that Texas proved they are a better team cause they almost won without McCoy. No, that wouldn't be fair. But the fact is we really don't know who the better team is, because Texas lost their chance at showing it when McCoy went down and we had to bring in a freshman with 30 snaps in college, and anyone saying it's obviously Bama just because they won is full of shit.

Oh, I'm not saying that the loss of McCoy was not a huge blow. On the contrary, I am saying that it was a huge blow and that is why Texas is not the best team. Depth matters and that was shown on Thursday night.

Don't mistake my claim that Alabama is better for a lck of respect for Texas. Texas did a very good job getting back into the game in the Second Half, and that is a testament to the quality of their coaches and players. The coaches must have made adjustments at halftime, and I bet they challenged the players to give their best effort in locker room speech. Whatever they did it worked because they were back in the game before Alabama took over, though I do suspect that Alabama let their foot of the gas for awhile as well.

BattleRedToro
01-09-2010, 09:39 AM
I guess the Colts aren't that great of a team, then.


Look, Alabama won fair and square, and they are deserving of the national championship. But anyone pretending that losing McCoy wasn't a HUGE blow to Texas is completely ****ing crazy.

If the Texans had made it to a wildcard game and then we lost Matt Schaub in the first quarter and went on to lose, this place would be like a kicked ant pile. Not a single person here would be saying stuff like the Texas haters are saying in this thread.

It's not that Texas proved they are a better team cause they almost won without McCoy. No, that wouldn't be fair. But the fact is we really don't know who the better team is, because Texas lost their chance at showing it when McCoy went down and we had to bring in a freshman with 30 snaps in college, and anyone saying it's obviously Bama just because they won is full of shit.

As for your Matt Schaub analogy, if the Texans lost Matt Schaub in a Wildcard game on a designed QB run play I would have been pissed at the coaches for making such a call. If he was hurt on a broken pass play then I would be pissed at the Offensive Line and Backfield for not protecting him. If he was hurt because he held onto the ball too long then I'd be pissed at Matt.

Finally to answer your first question, no the Colts aren't that good of a team if the loss of any one person would cause them to fall apart. I counter your question with this question: Has Peyton Manning ever missed playing time in the NFL?

WWJD
01-09-2010, 12:13 PM
I feel badly as a UT fan that Colt didn't get to play the most important game of his college career..

I think he would have been the difference for them but that's life and Bama is a deserving champion.

LonerATO
01-09-2010, 04:32 PM
Gilbert is the #2 QB at Texas and has been ever since the spring. John Chiles never had a chance but Mack promised him he could at least compete at QB. He was never gonna play and finally saw the writing on the wall and moved over to WR.

The only other choice was Sherrod Harris. Gilbert beat him out head to head for the #2 job in the spring.

I had every confidence in Gilbert. He was the #1 QB in high school last year and he was by far the best QB on our roster when Colt got hurt.

I know he is only a freshman but it is the coaching staff's fault that he wasn't completely prepared. The only position on the entire team where we didn't have extensive experience among our backups was at QB. Although Shipley is our best player on offense, the one guy we could not afford to lose was Colt because we had nobody with experience behind him.

Gilbert has a NFL arm already. He has a bright future ahead of him.

I see him all the time on 6th st. trying to get people to buy him drinks

LonerATO
01-09-2010, 04:36 PM
I would counter that anyone who believes Gilbert should have only had 30 snaps, in a season in which Texas had huge leads in many games by the 3rd quarter, is equally full of feces.

That is my biggest problem with Mack. He doesnt trot the backups on the field that often and when Gilbert did get to see action he was handing off to rb's.

Dan B.
01-10-2010, 03:09 AM
I would counter that anyone who believes Gilbert should have only had 30 snaps, in a season in which Texas had huge leads in many games by the 3rd quarter, is equally full of feces.

You are 100% correct. This was a massive failure on Brown and Davis' parts. Not just during the season, but even within the game itself. I am really starting to question Mack on his deference to Davis. I am really starting to itch for the Muschamp era to start. I suspect that his gambling and aggressive instincts would not allow for some of Davis' more turtle like antics. Mack's staff needs to be capable of maximizing their players' potential. I also hope he has learned how important it is to have a team where any player is capable of stepping in when necessary rather than pimping a guy's stats for the Heisman. If Brown screws up Gilbert the way he screwed up Simms ima be pissed. I'm not making a direct comparison here, which would have meant that Brown pulled a senior McCoy and made Gilbert a first year starter (Craig James musta been taking notes). I'm saying by thrusting a freshman into a hostile environment rather than gradually allowing them to get a feel for the game and their teammates you are basically hindering their future chances. Sort of nurturing a Brad Lidge syndrome, with the added plus that you are messing with 19 year old kids' heads.

It's not going to get any easier in 2010. I know that to SEC fans the Big 12 is just another minor nothing conference, but there are going to be a ton of dangerous teams fighting it out next year. Apart from OU Texas also gets the pleasure of going into Lincoln and Lubbock, but at least gets OSU and A&M at home (as well as their lone legit non conference game in UCLA). None of these are gimmie games for a first year QB, and right now I don't see how they can go undefeated again. Granted they have yet another elite class coming in, but losing Thomas, Kindle, and Houston hurts immensely -- as much as losing McCoy and Shipley IMO. UT will still have an incredibly impressive secondary and I think they will be a defensive team next year. I just think one or two games will do them in. I'm leaning towards either Nebraska or OU in consecutive games at the onset of their Big 12 season.

Texas had a phenomenal year and I was very proud of their performance Thursday. This was a special season for Longhorn fans. Though no one will truly know what might have happened, we know what actually did happen. Alabama ran it down UT's throat. The team that made fewer mistakes and had fewer turnovers won. Texas couldn't stop 'Bama's bread and butter. I suspect that this would have killed them eventually whether Colt played or not. Regardless I thought the Longhorn players did exceptionally well given the circumstances. Even Gilbert seemed to be literally growing by the play. I really wish that he had had a chance to get those inevitable first plays out of his system before that game. That sack and fumble to kill UT was the first sack he has taken as a collegiate athlete. I would have much rather he taken it against OSU, Mizzou, or Kansas. I can honestly say that I have never been more impressed with a QB's performance that featured 4 interceptions as well as a fumble and two turnovers in the last 6 minutes inside his own 10 yard line with his team down by 3 at first. He needed to learn to take a hit. His WR's needed to learn how he threw. He also needs to get a little more height on his passes. Way too many tipped balls. These problems are fixed through repitition and playing together in practice and game day situations.

Sorry to all for the long and rambling post. I've been thinking and talking about the game a lot the last few days and just kind of felt like writing about it. The list of times I've experienced this feeling is just so short. I obviously have the '06 Rose Bowl. I've also had the Rockets in the '90's and the 'Stros World Series. Making the Final Four was nice, but not the same thing. I've never been nuts about Texas baseball. I've been to games and I root for them but I really enjoyed Rice winning in 2003 more than any UT CWS. I can also honestly say I'd really enjoy it if Rice somehow beat UT next year in their first football game -- admittedly in part because it won't happen. I certainly wouldn't bask in it, but it's really neat to see a University that does things the right way and that is smaller than my high school win (especially a NC). Reckling is a great cheap way to blow off an afternoon.

I read the last few pages of this thread after posting and I'm repeating a lot of points already made -- there are a lot of smart people on this here MB :bravo:.

SteveSlaton20
01-10-2010, 03:37 AM
im disappointed how the game turned out. guess we'll never know what would happen if mccoy was in for the whole game. but anyways, congrats to bama. they deserved it.