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Carr Bombed
01-04-2010, 08:31 PM
Is anybody watching this game? TCU is struggling.....If Kellen Moore was on his game the horned frogs would already be down by like 3 TDs. Moore has missed some wide open receivers.

stingray
01-04-2010, 08:37 PM
I've been watching. TCU looks nervous. I guess the bright lights have made them look out of it. Especially the QB.

Carr Bombed
01-04-2010, 08:45 PM
TCU needs to kick it into gear.

treduke
01-04-2010, 08:46 PM
frogs need to score here before the half

Carr Bombed
01-04-2010, 08:51 PM
TD Frogs.

treduke
01-04-2010, 08:51 PM
this kinda reminds me of last years game boise was up 10-0 or 13-0 and tcu came back and won

Carr Bombed
01-04-2010, 08:56 PM
this kinda reminds me of last years game boise was up 10-0 or 13-0 and tcu came back and won

Yeah, I think all those missed opportunities are going to come back and bite Boise State in the ass. Missed FG and missed about 2 wide open receivers for TDs.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 10:18 PM
This game is tearing me up. Worst game I've seen them play this year. Dalton and the offense just are stagnant and the D is keeping us in it. That fake punt is going to kill us

Carr Bombed
01-04-2010, 10:21 PM
I would hate to play Boise State in a bowl game........they sure do have a big bag of tricks, don't they?

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 10:27 PM
I would hate to play Boise State in a bowl game........they sure do have a big bag of tricks, don't they?

I told everyone when this game came out that it was the worst possible matchup for TCU. I think they could beat Ga Tech, Iowa and Cincy but after barely beating them last bowl season, Boise scared me.

This is the worst I've seen them all year. They aren't playing that consistent ball and moving it

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-04-2010, 10:33 PM
TCU receivers blowing it with all the dropped passes.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 10:36 PM
TCU receivers blowing it with all the dropped passes.

Yeah that was a perfect throw and a TD. They dropped 2 last 3 and out. Need a 4th down here

Fudge..this sucks. Take advantage of the field position

mariowillshine15
01-04-2010, 10:38 PM
Who says the Mountain West and WAC cant play D?

Great defensive game especially by Boise. You always here about their offense but their D is playing great as is TCUs.

Texas and Bama would not wanna play these teams.

Carr Bombed
01-04-2010, 10:40 PM
Texas and Bama would not wanna play these teams.

I'd rather Texas play both of these teams, than have to play Alabama.

mariowillshine15
01-04-2010, 10:44 PM
I'd rather Texas play both of these teams, than have to play Alabama.

Lol. The BCS: Where playoffs are like the Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl, never gonna happen.

Carr Bombed
01-04-2010, 10:50 PM
Lol. The BCS: Where playoffs are like the Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl, never gonna happen.

Yep, sucks doesn't it.


I'm just saying......Dalton threw 3 picks tonight. Texas stuffs the run and has the best secondary in the entire country. I'd like their chances.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 10:54 PM
Yep, sucks doesn't it.


I'm just saying......Dalton threw 3 picks tonight. Texas stuffs the run and has the best secondary in the entire country. I'd like their chances.

I still think TCU would match up with them well. That was a horrible game for Dalton and the D still played well. Overall I'm proud. They beat Boise last year and then went undefeated this year. They beat 6 bowl teams and the MW was 4-0 until today against good comp. Tough loss

bah007
01-04-2010, 10:56 PM
Andy Dalton sucks. And the coaching staff didn't help him. It almost seemed like they didn't even run the ball after the first quarter. You cannot be one dimensional against a good defense.

This is a blowout if the TCU defense isn't so good. They really only allowed Boise St to move the ball on two drives the whole game.

Both defenses were fantastic. That is what football is supposed to look like.

LonerATO
01-04-2010, 11:02 PM
Dalton's INT for a return killed them in the end, but I still love how CP draws up great gadget plays. I would love to see Boise State move to the Pac-10 and whoop some of those teams every year.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 11:03 PM
Andy Dalton sucks. And the coaching staff didn't help him. It almost seemed like they didn't even run the ball after the first quarter. You cannot be one dimensional against a good defense.

This is a blowout if the TCU defense isn't so good. They really only allowed Boise St to move the ball on two drives the whole game.

Both defenses were fantastic. That is what football is supposed to look like.

No, he is good in doses. Youa re dead right though and I said it above. They were actually getting 6-7 yards a pop when they ran and then they quit. It was unexplainable. When they did run they went away from the spread option and had Dalton run out of the shotgun. I hadn't seen this all year. I'm kind of stunned and disappointed they didn't show the nation what I saw all year.

LonerATO
01-04-2010, 11:06 PM
No, he is good in doses. Youa re dead right though and I said it above. They were actually getting 6-7 yards a pop when they ran and then they quit. It was unexplainable. When they did run they went away from the spread option and had Dalton run out of the shotgun. I hadn't seen this all year. I'm kind of stunned and disappointed they didn't show the nation what I saw all year.

I agree with both of you guys about not running the ball and getting away from what got them there.

bah007
01-04-2010, 11:09 PM
No, he is good in doses. Youa re dead right though and I said it above. They were actually getting 6-7 yards a pop when they ran and then they quit. It was unexplainable. When they did run they went away from the spread option and had Dalton run out of the shotgun. I hadn't seen this all year. I'm kind of stunned and disappointed they didn't show the nation what I saw all year.

That was kind of a knee jerk statement. I meant he sucked tonight. He had a great year. He's obviously not terrible.

Key stat tonight: TCU only ran 16 designed running plays all night against 47 designed passes.

If that is the style of offense you want to run then Dalton isn't the guy you want at QB. He is effective in their normal offense, but not in that crap they threw out there tonight.

Based on the playcalling, you would have thought they were down 21 points, not in a tied game.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 11:23 PM
That was kind of a knee jerk statement. I meant he sucked tonight. He had a great year. He's obviously not terrible.

Key stat tonight: TCU only ran 16 designed running plays all night against 47 designed passes.

If that is the style of offense you want to run then Dalton isn't the guy you want at QB. He is effective in their normal offense, but not in that crap they threw out there tonight.

Based on the playcalling, you would have thought they were down 21 points, not in a tied game.

Right. If you saw any other games this year they were scarily efficient with that hybrid type read option. They were getting 5 yard chunks in many games. Tonight it was Dalton with a draw or handing off for a draw. Not much on the corners at all. I was stunned also that in the 3rd they established that the short throws would get 5-6 yards. Then they started going downfield. Again, shaking head

TD
01-05-2010, 07:23 AM
After watching that game, my money is on Florida finishing #2 after the bowls.

Nerves or whatever, this looked like a game between two "not ready for prime time players". JMO, but I think Texas, Alabama, Florida (and probably a few others) demolishes both those teams. Too bad there's no way to know for sure :(

HoustonFrog
01-05-2010, 08:15 AM
After watching that game, my money is on Florida finishing #2 after the bowls.

Nerves or whatever, this looked like a game between two "not ready for prime time players". JMO, but I think Texas, Alabama, Florida (and probably a few others) demolishes both those teams. Too bad there's no way to know for sure :(

I don't buy that after 1 game. It is like the argument that UT didn't vbelogn because they looked like crap against A&M and Nebraska. TCU beat 6 bowl teams. BYU and Utah beat Oregon St and Cal in their bowls and TCU beat them by an average of 24 points or something. They had a bad game. I think against the other teams it is different circumstances and different teams.

Blake
01-05-2010, 08:31 AM
What a bummer for TCU. They really had a chance to make a statement here and missed the mark.

Texan_Bill
01-05-2010, 08:54 AM
What a bummer for TCU. They really had a chance to make a statement here and missed the mark.

Exactly. Especially when this could've helped the Mountain West obtain an automatic BCS Bowl bid down the road.

TD
01-05-2010, 08:58 AM
I don't buy that after 1 game. It is like the argument that UT didn't vbelogn because they looked like crap against A&M and Nebraska. TCU beat 6 bowl teams. BYU and Utah beat Oregon St and Cal in their bowls and TCU beat them by an average of 24 points or something. They had a bad game. I think against the other teams it is different circumstances and different teams.

The one game is what matters....both teams are better than they looked last night, but it doesn't change the fact that they both semi-choked on the big stage. The perennial big boys rarely do that.

SheTexan
01-05-2010, 09:02 AM
Poor Dante!! Sorry 84!

Texan_Bill
01-05-2010, 09:10 AM
Poor Dante!! Sorry 84!

Karma for this:

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k325/Texan_Bill/Texans/Dante_owned.jpg

:winky:

WWJD
01-05-2010, 09:17 AM
too much time off...they got away from what got them there in the first place!

GP
01-05-2010, 09:20 AM
I don't buy that after 1 game. It is like the argument that UT didn't vbelogn because they looked like crap against A&M and Nebraska. TCU beat 6 bowl teams. BYU and Utah beat Oregon St and Cal in their bowls and TCU beat them by an average of 24 points or something. They had a bad game. I think against the other teams it is different circumstances and different teams.

As someone who has only watched ONE game of TCU, which was last night, color me unimpressed.

Dalton looks like a prototypical QB, but his passes seemed as if they were thrown too late, and it seemed he got in a habit of only looking for the WR named Christian when he needed first downs. When he needed big yardage gains, Dalton went to the WR named Jimmy Young, IIRC.

The running game was stuffed all night long. I do give them credit for not being stubborn by trying to force running plays that were obviously never going to work against BSU's defense. Gary Kubiak would have tried to show that he could run the ball in that situation.

I think, and this is just my opinion, that BSU had revenge on their minds. And I think TCU was a bit star-struck to be on that large of a stage. Those two factors, together, meant that TCU could not catch their breath all night long.

TCU was technically "in" the game until the very end, which I think is something they can be proud of. Jerry Hughes and that defensive line looks VERY impressive to me. VERY impressive.

WWJD
01-05-2010, 09:23 AM
TCU has a much better team than they showed last night.

HoustonFrog
01-05-2010, 10:21 AM
As someone who has only watched ONE game of TCU, which was last night, color me unimpressed.

Dalton looks like a prototypical QB, but his passes seemed as if they were thrown too late, and it seemed he got in a habit of only looking for the WR named Christian when he needed first downs. When he needed big yardage gains, Dalton went to the WR named Jimmy Young, IIRC.

The running game was stuffed all night long. I do give them credit for not being stubborn by trying to force running plays that were obviously never going to work against BSU's defense. Gary Kubiak would have tried to show that he could run the ball in that situation.

I think, and this is just my opinion, that BSU had revenge on their minds. And I think TCU was a bit star-struck to be on that large of a stage. Those two factors, together, meant that TCU could not catch their breath all night long.

TCU was technically "in" the game until the very end, which I think is something they can be proud of. Jerry Hughes and that defensive line looks VERY impressive to me. VERY impressive.

Sorry you didn't see more. They had GameDay at TCU earlier in the year against Utah and that was a pressure game. That is the team that showed up all year. Running, mixing the pass and smothering defense. They killed teams and even kept killing the bad teams without let ups. In all my years growing up and going there and then post-grad this team was the most complete. Even the team that finished #7 last year wasn't as good on O.

They went away from the run too early and then couldn't get the momentum back. Dalton can make mistakes and isn't expected to throw all game. The defense did its job. It was disappointing that they picked this game to have a bad one. They beat Boise last year and I think the pressure to have to kill them to make a statement got to them. I'd still pick them easily against Iowa, Ga Tech, Cincy and others. Their D might be good against a Fla teams ground game because of their speed. But Ala and UT would be alot tougher.

WWJD
01-05-2010, 10:25 AM
Sorry you didn't see more. They had GameDay at TCU earlier in the year against Utah and that was a pressure game. That is the team that showed up all year. Running, mixing the pass and smothering defense. They killed teams and even kept killing the bad teams without let ups. In all my years growing up and going there and then post-grad this team was the most complete. Even the team that finished #7 last year wasn't as good on O.

They went away from the run too early and then couldn't get the momentum back. Dalton can make mistakes and isn't expected to throw all game. The defense did its job. It was disappointing that they picked this game to have a bad one. They beat Boise last year and I think the pressure to have to kill them to make a statement got to them. I'd still pick them easily against Iowa, Ga Tech, Cincy and others. Their D might be good against a Fla teams ground game because of their speed. But Ala and UT would be alot tougher.

Was it just me or did Patterson get outcoached this game? Which is very unusual because he's a fine coach.

I think the layoff did them in. I really do. That's just an excuse but it's the one I'll stick with!

Goldensilence
01-05-2010, 10:27 AM
TCU struggled, but I gotta give props to the BSU defense. They played very well and Thompson made big plays.

WWJD
01-05-2010, 10:30 AM
Well one good thing about BS's participation is that the game wasn't played on that blue field of theirs. That thing is headache inducing.

bah007
01-05-2010, 12:32 PM
Exactly. Especially when this could've helped the Mountain West obtain an automatic BCS Bowl bid down the road.

I think the Mountain West already has that bid locked up for the 2012 season.

GP
01-06-2010, 09:42 AM
Sorry you didn't see more. They had GameDay at TCU earlier in the year against Utah and that was a pressure game. That is the team that showed up all year. Running, mixing the pass and smothering defense. They killed teams and even kept killing the bad teams without let ups. In all my years growing up and going there and then post-grad this team was the most complete. Even the team that finished #7 last year wasn't as good on O.

They went away from the run too early and then couldn't get the momentum back. Dalton can make mistakes and isn't expected to throw all game. The defense did its job. It was disappointing that they picked this game to have a bad one. They beat Boise last year and I think the pressure to have to kill them to make a statement got to them. I'd still pick them easily against Iowa, Ga Tech, Cincy and others. Their D might be good against a Fla teams ground game because of their speed. But Ala and UT would be alot tougher.

Yeah, I'd like to start watching them more than the one game I saw.

Their defense seems to be just out of this world. BSU's tackles were borderline "holding" on almost every BSU passing play. And the refs missed two or three very obvious holding calls where the TCU DEs would have sacked the Qb or destroyed the ball carrier on a few running plays.

Plus, the bogus pass interference call on TCU, when it should have been on BSU's WR, was just over the top WRONG. The TCU guy had position and was going to intercept that pass.

HoustonFrog
01-06-2010, 09:50 AM
Yeah, I'd like to start watching them more than the one game I saw.

Their defense seems to be just out of this world. BSU's tackles were borderline "holding" on almost every BSU passing play. And the refs missed two or three very obvious holding calls where the TCU DEs would have sacked the Qb or destroyed the ball carrier on a few running plays.

Plus, the bogus pass interference call on TCU, when it should have been on BSU's WR, was just over the top WRONG. The TCU guy had position and was going to intercept that pass.

Their D is a blast to watch. They fly to the ball. They have had a Top 5 D for years now and I love feeling confident with a lead when your D only gives up 12 a game. And I agree on the holdings. There was a pass play in the 1st and 2nd quarter where the DT exploded off the line and into the gap. He was in the QBs face in seconds and the O-lineman just grabbed him from behind to impede him. they got a pass off for yardage and there was no call. It sucked.

You would have seen a different O too. My folks were at the game and everyone agrees that Patterson just tried to get cute with the passing game. They ate up chunks of yards running this year and then used the speed at Wr when teams stacked the run. It is like they just scrapped the whole season O for that game.

WWJD
01-06-2010, 11:05 AM
Well regardless of the loss the other night TCU made huge strides this year on a national stage and the future should be bright for them.

They're well coached, it's a great campus and hopefully Patterson will continue to recruit well.