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Second Honeymoon
01-04-2010, 10:59 AM
There are lots of reasons why he shouldn't be extended, but most importantly, it is because he does not deserve to be extended. He has not done enough to show that he is the coach to lead this team to the championship level.

Let me illustrate the reasons why:

1. Pathetic divisional record. If you can't win in the division, you can't make the playoffs. Even with multiple teams imploding at the end of the season, our 1-5 divisional record damned us to another year of irrelevance in the postseason. If you can't win in the division, you don't deserve to be extended.

2. Way too stubborn. Gary wasted 1/2 of our season trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. How stubborn do you have to be to bring back Chris Brown and be so myopic to think it would actually work out. Then when the guy costs you at least 2 football games, you still stick with him because you are too stubborn to admit you and Rick screwed up. He also insisted on trying to run the ball when it was painfully obvious that our passing game gave us the best chance to win. Gary also showed the epitome of stubborness by continuing to start Chris Myers even though he is one of the worst starting Centers in the history of the league....but he was a Bronco so he got Gary's vote. Head Coaches need to show accountability and flexibility. To keep trotting out guys that suck when there are other capable guys available, just shows how he tries to be everyone's friend too much and doesn't hold people accountable.

3. Pathetic game management and in-game adjustments. Kubiak got outcoached by rookie head coaches in every instance this year. His decisions on requesting replay reviews were some of the worst decisions ever. Him calling timeout after Moats fumble was ruled down by contact giving Caldwell a chance to look over it cost us the season. First and Goal at the 1 yard line is invaluable and you shouldn't risk that to run 15 seconds off the clock. Are you so afraid of Peyton having :30 seconds that you are willing to risk a golden scoring opportunity. Just a moronic call. Maybe he was too busy hiding his head because he was afraid to watch that he didn't realize what game situation he is in. As for ingame adjustments, the fact that the team can't put together 2 halves of football is an idictment of our coaching staff as much as anything.

4. The offensive coordinator is going to be changed anyways. What if Gary and the new OC can't get the job done like they did this year. Do we want to be liable for the rest of the contract if we aren't even sure of what we are going to get next year from the offense after Lil' Shanny is presumably gone? Gary is having a hard of enough time to be a decent head coach than to have to run/rewire the offense next year.

5. Horrible clock management. We all know this is true. It's been evident since the day he got here.

6. Plays scared and can't even watch plays happen because he is so afraid of failure he can't watch. Not exactly inspirational.

7. His teams come out flat too much to start games and/or after halftime. He must have a problem delivering speeches to players and inspiring them because they are often flat and uninspired. He gives a great speech and everyone makes a big deal and they win and he calls out some of our stars (Mario) and they play well. Why not give a great speech every week? Why wait until you are almost mathematically eliminated from playoffs till you actually start being proactive? You can't pick your spots to inspire the troops when your playing the Rams and Seahawks. You need to make it happen every week, especially in division.

8. He is a .500 coach who has never gotten us to the playoffs. I don't see any reason why he should be extended past next year. If he can get the team to play well next year and we are at the midpoint 5-3 or better and some of his aforementioned shortcomings show improvement or are eliminated, I am all for him getting an extension. But reaching .500 as a coach and underachieving for the balance of the season, is not a reason to reup the guy.

I am willing to welcome Kubiak back but to give him a new contract extension reeks of the same scent of failure that giving Carr the maximum extension had. Just carebear attitude from a carebear organization that has created a lot of careless players. And if Gary has a problem with being .500 and not getting an extension, lets give ole Bill Cowher a call.

badboy
01-04-2010, 11:01 AM
Smart business would be to re-evaluate mid-season. I am more focused on what free agents we should keep and how compensatory draft picks will be given.

Second Honeymoon
01-04-2010, 11:23 AM
From McNair's comments, it looks like Gary is not going to get an extension but rather get 2010 to prove that he can take the next step. Maybe McNair has learned from his mistakes.

Thorn
01-04-2010, 11:25 AM
2010 should most certainly be a put up or get the heck out year for Kubiak.

Hagar
01-04-2010, 11:28 AM
Don't we have enough of these threads? For, Against, just cram them all into one ~ so I can ignor it.

Goatcheese
01-04-2010, 11:48 AM
1. Pathetic divisional record. If you can't win in the division, you can't make the playoffs. Even with multiple teams imploding at the end of the season, our 1-5 divisional record damned us to another year of irrelevance in the postseason. If you can't win in the division, you don't deserve to be extended.

The only loss out of our division games that I hang on Kubes is the HB option in Jax. The players lost those games after his gameplan put them in position to win.

2. Way too stubborn. Gary wasted 1/2 of our season trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. How stubborn do you have to be to bring back Chris Brown and be so myopic to think it would actually work out. Then when the guy costs you at least 2 football games, you still stick with him because you are too stubborn to admit you and Rick screwed up. He also insisted on trying to run the ball when it was painfully obvious that our passing game gave us the best chance to win. Gary also showed the epitome of stubborness by continuing to start Chris Myers even though he is one of the worst starting Centers in the history of the league....but he was a Bronco so he got Gary's vote. Head Coaches need to show accountability and flexibility. To keep trotting out guys that suck when there are other capable guys available, just shows how he tries to be everyone's friend too much and doesn't hold people accountable.

Definitely something I can get behind. He is way too loyal to his veterans.

3. Pathetic game management and in-game adjustments. Kubiak got outcoached by rookie head coaches in every instance this year. His decisions on requesting replay reviews were some of the worst decisions ever. Him calling timeout after Moats fumble was ruled down by contact giving Caldwell a chance to look over it cost us the season. First and Goal at the 1 yard line is invaluable and you shouldn't risk that to run 15 seconds off the clock. Are you so afraid of Peyton having :30 seconds that you are willing to risk a golden scoring opportunity. Just a moronic call. Maybe he was too busy hiding his head because he was afraid to watch that he didn't realize what game situation he is in. As for ingame adjustments, the fact that the team can't put together 2 halves of football is an idictment of our coaching staff as much as anything.

How did he get outcoached? The Jets flat out manhandled them for 4 quarters. He had the team in position to beat Caldwell twice, but the players couldn't get it done.

He didn't call timeout after the Moats fumble. It was the 2:00 warning. The play took place 40+ yards from where he was standing, and he didn't see a replay until after it was too late. Monday morning quarterback more.

4. The offensive coordinator is going to be changed anyways. What if Gary and the new OC can't get the job done like they did this year. Do we want to be liable for the rest of the contract if we aren't even sure of what we are going to get next year from the offense after Lil' Shanny is presumably gone? Gary is having a hard of enough time to be a decent head coach than to have to run/rewire the offense next year.

Kubiak has run the offense every year, giving his coordinators a very short leash. If there's a change in OC it would be the 4th in 5 years, without a hitch.

5. Horrible clock management. We all know this is true. It's been evident since the day he got here.

His clock management has been quite good this year. When they get the ball at the end of the half/game they are almost certain to get into scoring range with time to kick it.

6. Plays scared and can't even watch plays happen because he is so afraid of failure he can't watch. Not exactly inspirational.

Which has less than nothing to do with the outcome of the play. Why don't you whine about something equally irrelevant like his Denny's menu.

7. His teams come out flat too much to start games and/or after halftime. He must have a problem delivering speeches to players and inspiring them because they are often flat and uninspired. He gives a great speech and everyone makes a big deal and they win and he calls out some of our stars (Mario) and they play well. Why not give a great speech every week? Why wait until you are almost mathematically eliminated from playoffs till you actually start being proactive? You can't pick your spots to inspire the troops when your playing the Rams and Seahawks. You need to make it happen every week, especially in division.

Do you want a coach or a motivational speaker? If your players need to be inspired to play for their millions then they should just be cut.

8. He is a .500 coach who has never gotten us to the playoffs. I don't see any reason why he should be extended past next year. If he can get the team to play well next year and we are at the midpoint 5-3 or better and some of his aforementioned shortcomings show improvement or are eliminated, I am all for him getting an extension. But reaching .500 as a coach and underachieving for the balance of the season, is not a reason to reup the guy.

I don't think he's earned an extension at this point, but I agree with Lucky that a lame duck year would hurt the team.

thunderkyss
01-04-2010, 11:54 AM
If I were McNair, I would give him an extension that I can walk away from at anytime.

If I were Kubiak, I would sign no such thing.

Drew_Smoke
01-04-2010, 11:59 AM
Thats why not everyone gets to be the boss. It's too tough to see thru the fog for 90% of us.

I mean dang...some of you can't even pick the right Hamburger Helper flavor for din-din but you have the Texans woes solved.

Most people are better off just punching the clock and whining in the break room. (See not drafting VY was a mistake/Not drafting Reggie NCAA Violator was a mistake and blah blah blah)

Kubes is the right guy.

Sincerely,

Told Ya So Guy

b0ng
01-04-2010, 12:13 PM
The only loss out of our division games that I hang on Kubes is the HB option in Jax. The players lost those games after his gameplan put them in position to win.



Definitely something I can get behind. He is way too loyal to his veterans.



How did he get outcoached? The Jets flat out manhandled them for 4 quarters. He had the team in position to beat Caldwell twice, but the players couldn't get it done.

He didn't call timeout after the Moats fumble. It was the 2:00 warning. The play took place 40+ yards from where he was standing, and he didn't see a replay until after it was too late. Monday morning quarterback more.



Kubiak has run the offense every year, giving his coordinators a very short leash. If there's a change in OC it would be the 4th in 5 years, without a hitch.



His clock management has been quite good this year. When they get the ball at the end of the half/game they are almost certain to get into scoring range with time to kick it.



Which has less than nothing to do with the outcome of the play. Why don't you whine about something equally irrelevant like his Denny's menu.



Do you want a coach or a motivational speaker? If your players need to be inspired to play for their millions then they should just be cut.



I don't think he's earned an extension at this point, but I agree with Lucky that a lame duck year would hurt the team.

You've pretty much laid out any argument I would make so I will agree with you up until the last part. Kubiak was a lame duck coach from the Monday night game on (if not earlier). Nobody knew if he was going to be back or not, and the team rallied in the end. Unless the extension he signed was very friendly to the Texans (Which he would either be an ego maniac or an ***** to sign), he should be re-evaluated during the season. To me a 2 year extension right now seems like it would do nothing more than enhance the bind the Texans have to Kubiak fiscally when his future is still in question.

The first post is an indicator of reasons why a typical fan would be upset with Kubiak, but does not really illustrate any good reasons why he shouldn't be extended. I don't see why saying "You will get to finish your contract out" should automatically equal "Here's a few more years".

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 12:14 PM
Thats why not everyone gets to be the boss. It's too tough to see thru the fog for 90% of us.

I mean dang...some of you can't even pick the right Hamburger Helper flavor for din-din but you have the Texans woes solved.

Most people are better off just punching the clock and whining in the break room. (See not drafting VY was a mistake/Not drafting Reggie NCAA Violator was a mistake and blah blah blah)

Kubes is the right guy.

Sincerely,

Told Ya So Guy

I'm trying to figure out how 9-7 and winning the last game all of a sudden makes this so. You do know that everyone wants the same thing here?Shakes head....for another time

Texan_Bill
01-04-2010, 12:21 PM
I was in favor of Kubiak coming back next season, however I am against giving him a contract extension. What's the point really? Next year is his final season per current contract. Let's have this conversation after the playoffs next season about a new contract or letting him go.

Drew_Smoke
01-04-2010, 12:26 PM
I'm trying to figure out how 9-7 and winning the last game all of a sudden makes this so. You do know that everyone wants the same thing here?Shakes head....for another time

Hardly "all of a sudden"...I have been getting grief from the water cooler crowd since all of this started. Not much different form when I was saying...

"We really need to look hard at this dude from NC St...."

:kitten:

bckey
01-04-2010, 12:28 PM
Don't we have enough of these threads? For, Against, just cram them all into one ~ so I can ignor it.

Like you did this one? :stirpot:

spurstexanstros
01-04-2010, 12:33 PM
Thats why not everyone gets to be the boss. It's too tough to see thru the fog for 90% of us.

I mean dang...some of you can't even pick the right Hamburger Helper flavor for din-din but you have the Texans woes solved.

Most people are better off just punching the clock and whining in the break room. (See not drafting VY was a mistake/Not drafting Reggie NCAA Violator was a mistake and blah blah blah)

Kubes is the right guy.

Sincerely,

Told Ya So Guy

Amen and I am repping that.....


9-7 to you soapers...BEST RECORD EVER SCOREBOARD.

Runner
01-04-2010, 12:39 PM
The op makes several points that support the decision McNair should make: fire Kubiak. It may be a difficult decision, but it would show McNair's commitment to winning. This isn't the decision that is being made.

If McNair is committed to winning, and truly believes that Kubiak is the right guy, he should extend him.

It appears that McNair will take the milquetoast way out. He'll keep Kubiak because he hopes he can put it together, but deep down he probably believes that Kubiak won't come through. He will not risk bringing in a new coach, and he will not risk extending his chosen one. At worst the team probably will be average, at best it will probably take another incremental step. It is unlikely there will be a big step either forward or back.

This is a commitment to mediocrity, not to excellence. At least this clarifies the owner's position on winning in my mind.

Runner
01-04-2010, 12:46 PM
9-7 to you soapers...BEST RECORD EVER SCOREBOARD.

"Best record ever" for the Texans, anyway. There are usually many teams that exceed 9-7 any given year.

How's this for a marketing tagline:

Your Texans: the slighlty above averagest team in the league.

Silver Oak
01-04-2010, 12:50 PM
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Brisco_County
01-04-2010, 01:00 PM
Yeah, extending his contract makes NO sense. I mean, four years after inheriting a 2-14 team I expect PERFECTION.

I would elaborate further, but I'm off to go belittle my 10 year old nephew for not being able to slam dunk already.

b0ng
01-04-2010, 01:01 PM
The op makes several points that support the decision McNair should make: fire Kubiak. It may be a difficult decision, but it would show McNair's commitment to winning. This isn't the decision that is being made.

If McNair is committed to winning, and truly believes that Kubiak is the right guy, he should extend him.

It appears that McNair will take the milquetoast way out. He'll extend Kubiak because he hopes he can put it together, but deep down he probably believes that Kubiak won't come through. He will not risk bringing in a new coach, and he will not risk extending his chosen one. At worst the team probably will be average, at best it will probably take another incremental step. It is unlikely there will be a big step either forward or back.

This is a commitment to mediocrity, not to excellence. At least this clarifies the owner's position on winning in my mind.

What if the reason he's not extending Kubiak is because of the impending CBA hoopla and possible 2011 lockout?

Runner
01-04-2010, 01:08 PM
What if the reason he's not extending Kubiak is because of the impending CBA hoopla and possible 2011 lockout?

Why would these things keep McNair from extending a coach he truly believes will be a big winner with this team? Shouldn't he lock down what he can in the face if this (mostly theoretical) turmoil?

b0ng
01-04-2010, 01:09 PM
Why would these things keep McNair from extending a coach he truly believes will be a big winner with this team? Shouldn't he lock down what he can in the face if this (mostly theoretical) turmoil?

Why would he want to pay a coach for a season that may not be played? What if he's not sure if the NFL could pull through this?

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 01:11 PM
"Best record ever" for the Texans, anyway. There are usually many teams that exceed 9-7 any given year.

How's this for a marketing tagline:

Your Texans: the slighlty above averagest team in the league.

I was going to respond but your response was better.

Hardly "all of a sudden"...I have been getting grief from the water cooler crowd since all of this started. Not much different form when I was saying...

"We really need to look hard at this dude from NC St...."

:kitten:

And I argued Carr sucked and that Schaub was good...so where does that leave us? 9-7 after 4 years doesn't impress me. A rookie coach with a rookie QB just did that. He gets his 5th year to prove it. There isn't a right or wrong..let's move on

Runner
01-04-2010, 01:17 PM
I would elaborate further, but I'm off to go belittle my 10 year old nephew for not being able to slam dunk already.

I get it! Kubiak trying to coach an NFL team is analogues to a ten year old boy trying to dunk a basketball.

I wouldn't have been that harsh. I think Kubiak has enough qualifications to expect something other than mediocrity.

Brisco_County
01-04-2010, 01:28 PM
I get it! Kubiak trying to coach an NFL team is analogues to a ten year old boy trying to dunk a basketball.

I wouldn't have been that harsh. I think Kubiak has enough qualifications to expect something other than mediocrity.

I guess I can't humor everyone.

But Detroit, Cleveland, and St. Louis thought it was funny.

powerfuldragon
01-04-2010, 01:35 PM
if he doesn't do something to address rb this offseason, i'll agree... 1'st ranked passing attack and 30'th rushing... no thanks.

OzzO
01-04-2010, 01:42 PM
I think I saw in the chronic today as Bobby Mac being quoted that Kubiak will be back next year, but that he won't make a decision on the extension till later this month (which is interesting as I would think it would be mid-next season to make this decision as well)

edit - never mind, he wasn't quoted - it was just mentioned in the article by Johnny Mac (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6796978.html).
McNair said last month he would wait to evaluate Kubiak after the season. A few minutes after the Texans’ 34-27 victory over the New England Patriots at Reliant Stadium on Sunday, McNair said Kubiak would return for the fifth and final year of his contract.

There is a chance Kubiak will get an extension. That decision will be made later this month.

Brisco_County
01-04-2010, 01:45 PM
if he doesn't do something to address rb this offseason, i'll agree... 1'st ranked passing attack and 30'th rushing... no thanks.

I'm not happy with that either, but you should check out who #'s 31 and 32 are.

(Hint: One rhymes with Hindianoplis and one rhymes with Fandiego.)

I prefer to have a stout running game mixed in with my offense, but lacking one isn't as much of a fatal flaw as it once was.

b0ng
01-04-2010, 02:05 PM
I'm not happy with that either, but you should check out who #'s 31 and 32 are.

(Hint: One rhymes with Hindianoplis and one rhymes with Fandiego.)

I prefer to have a stout running game mixed in with my offense, but lacking one isn't as much of a fatal flaw as it once was.

Foster, Moats and Slaton, maybe bring in a vet to compete.

Brisco_County
01-04-2010, 02:17 PM
Foster, Moats and Slaton, maybe bring in a vet to compete.

I think Slaton will bounce back. The guy's always been a special runner, and one bad year shouldn't tank his value. I'd be perfectly happy with a healthy Slaton and Foster in the backfield with a change at center. Another guard would be nice too.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 02:18 PM
I think Slaton will bounce back. The guy's always been a special runner, and one bad year shouldn't tank his value. I'd be perfectly happy with a healthy Slaton and Foster in the backfield with a change at center. Another guard would be nice too.

ive watched slaton since he broke out at the sugarbowl in his days at wvu. The kid can flat out run and has great awareness. One bad season is not the death of him and he and foster should be a good backfield next year.

Runner
01-04-2010, 03:30 PM
Why would he want to pay a coach for a season that may not be played? What if he's not sure if the NFL could pull through this?

I want to make sure I understand this. You contend that if there is no 2011 season (I seriously doubt such a cancellation occurs), then the Texans should not have a coaching staff? They should start from scratch in 2012?

thunderkyss
01-04-2010, 08:01 PM
I'm not happy with that either, but you should check out who #'s 31 and 32 are.

(Hint: One rhymes with Hindianoplis and one rhymes with Fandiego.)

I prefer to have a stout running game mixed in with my offense, but lacking one isn't as much of a fatal flaw as it once was.

That'S no excuse for a man with a running system, the best rushing OL coach in recent history & a pedigree for running the ball. Don't get me wrong, i'm all about bringing Kubiak back but this is no excuse for our running game.

But speaking of Hindianapolis is it worth two 1st round picks (not counting the OL) to have the 31st rushing attack?

m5kwatts
01-04-2010, 08:57 PM
That'S no excuse for a man with a running system, the best rushing OL coach in recent history & a pedigree for running the ball. Don't get me wrong, i'm all about bringing Kubiak back but this is no excuse for our running game.

But speaking of Hindianapolis is it worth two 1st round picks (not counting the OL) to have the 31st rushing attack?

Bingo. 1st round backs don't equal an automatic dominant rushing attack. This team needs interior line upgrades way before it needs RB upgrading.

There's no excuse for not being a great running team next year though. The problem is obvious and I'm gonna trust Rick Smith and co. will address it.

houstonspartan
01-04-2010, 09:10 PM
The op makes several points that support the decision McNair should make: fire Kubiak. It may be a difficult decision, but it would show McNair's commitment to winning. This isn't the decision that is being made.

If McNair is committed to winning, and truly believes that Kubiak is the right guy, he should extend him.

It appears that McNair will take the milquetoast way out. He'll keep Kubiak because he hopes he can put it together, but deep down he probably believes that Kubiak won't come through. He will not risk bringing in a new coach, and he will not risk extending his chosen one. At worst the team probably will be average, at best it will probably take another incremental step. It is unlikely there will be a big step either forward or back.

This is a commitment to mediocrity, not to excellence. At least this clarifies the owner's position on winning in my mind.

Runner, great points. It solidifies why I'm so frustrated today. McNair brought up the "injuries" Gary had to deal with (which I think was a cop-out), but never said anything about our divisional record, for example. It is EXTREMELY disturbing that we can't win in our division, yet the owner doesn't seem to get it.

Maybe he does, and says so in private meetings. We'll never know. But, as you said, this looks like McNair is taking the easy road here.

Second Honeymoon
01-04-2010, 09:16 PM
if Kubiak is extended before next season, i may have a coniption (sic) fit. there is no reason to extend him other than to be nice....and we all know how well that has worked in the past.

Bulluck53
01-04-2010, 09:43 PM
From McNair's comments, it looks like Gary is not going to get an extension but rather get 2010 to prove that he can take the next step. Maybe McNair has learned from his mistakes.


I'm a fan of this. I think Kubiak has done well with the team but extending him would be rewarding him too early. The first step was a winning record and he helped achieve that. Playoffs are next, if Kubiak does that I think he would have earned another contract.

What sucks is our teams seem to be heading in different directions right now. I thought about it last night (while celebrating the Jets win :cowboy1: ) and realized that yall were one game away from a playoff berth without two major guys on offense. If Kubiak finds someone to plug the hole in the defensive backfield.... that blows for us.

Congratulations on the winning record and 2nd in the division.

houstonspartan
01-04-2010, 10:21 PM
I'm a fan of this. I think Kubiak has done well with the team but extending him would be rewarding him too early. The first step was a winning record and he helped achieve that. Playoffs are next, if Kubiak does that I think he would have earned another contract.

What sucks is our teams seem to be heading in different directions right now. I thought about it last night (while celebrating the Jets win :cowboy1: ) and realized that yall were one game away from a playoff berth without two major guys on offense. If Kubiak finds someone to plug the hole in the defensive backfield.... that blows for us.

Congratulations on the winning record and 2nd in the division.

Classy post. Thanks for the shout out.

You guys will turn it around. Fisher is still a good coach.

The important thing is that both teams have the quarterbacks we each should have. Things turned out the way they were supposed to.

thunderkyss
01-04-2010, 10:59 PM
Bingo. 1st round backs don't equal an automatic dominant rushing attack. This team needs interior line upgrades way before it needs RB upgrading.

There's no excuse for not being a great running team next year though. The problem is obvious and I'm gonna trust Rick Smith and co. will address it.

Is it too much for me to say Chris Myers was awesome yesterday?

If you can go back & watch the game, please do.

He's been playing very well for the last 4 weeks. & I don't mean well for Chris Myers...... I mean very well.

m5kwatts
01-05-2010, 12:43 AM
Is it too much for me to say Chris Myers was awesome yesterday?

If you can go back & watch the game, please do.

He's been playing very well for the last 4 weeks. & I don't mean well for Chris Myers...... I mean very well.

Well even so the guard spots need serious addressing

houstonspartan
01-05-2010, 12:44 AM
Well even so the guard spots need serious addressing

Indeed. Moreso than the RB situation, in my opinion.