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barrett
01-04-2010, 10:24 AM
Per Nick Scurfield via twitter - NickScurfield

The Texans will have either the 19th or 20th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft. Will depend on a coin flip with the Atlanta Falcons

mussop
01-04-2010, 10:30 AM
Yeh I was hoping for somewhere around 14 or 15 for trade down possibiities. Its still possible but I think thats less likely now.

Thorn
01-04-2010, 10:54 AM
You can get a good starters at that position in the draft in both the 1st and 2nd rounds, if you pick a "need" position. I'm sure there'll be a good CD/safety or a lineman avaliable for that pick who could start and help.

badboy
01-04-2010, 11:00 AM
Yeh I was hoping for somewhere around 14 or 15 for trade down possibiities. Its still possible but I think thats less likely now.Agreed. I had #15 on last mock from about three weeks ago.

Norg
01-04-2010, 11:02 AM
Our 1st pick we need a Bonified Lockdown CB

i would like dunta to stay but he will prob be asking way more for what hes worth

How is the CB class looking this year ????

Goatcheese
01-04-2010, 11:06 AM
Our 1st pick we need a Bonified Lockdown CB

i would like dunta to stay but he will prob be asking way more for what hes worth

How is the CB class looking this year ????

Haden looks like a top 10 pick, and then you're looking at marginal 1st round talents. I'm sure somebody will blaze a fast 40 and move up, but it's not because they played exceptionally well.

jaayteetx
01-04-2010, 11:09 AM
I want some stud interior offensive linemen myself.

gtexan02
01-04-2010, 11:12 AM
Trade down and pick Berry.
Mays will probably be available around 19 or 20

mariowillshine15
01-04-2010, 11:12 AM
Safety, corner, DT, OL would be great.

Although if we went with a CJ Spiller, Jahvid Best or Dez Bryant i wouldnt complain.

ObsiWan
01-04-2010, 11:18 AM
Our 1st pick we need a Bonified Lockdown CB

i would like dunta to stay but he will prob be asking way more for what hes worth

How is the CB class looking this year ????

I think we need a fleet-footed, ball-hawking FS. I'd rather not go into next year having to pick from an aging Ferguson, an injury-prone Barber, or a too slow Busing to get our starting FS.

I'd rather use the 1st day picks on a FS and/or a stud interior lineman (offensive or defensive, we could use upgrades in the middle of both) and either make do with the younguns we have at CB or try and grab one with a 2nd day pick.

While a stud CB would be sweet, I think we're fixed better there than at FS or DT/C/OG.

Goatcheese
01-04-2010, 11:19 AM
I want some stud interior offensive linemen myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWdvfRhTruw

This year he played 807 snaps, and didn't give up a sack. Dude is beast.

mariowillshine15
01-04-2010, 11:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWdvfRhTruw

This year he played 807 snaps, and didn't give up a sack. Dude is beast.

That guy is a monster.

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 11:22 AM
For those that want a trade up: I wouldn't count on it.....historically speaking anyways.

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 11:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWdvfRhTruw

This year he played 807 snaps, and didn't give up a sack. Dude is beast.

Brandon Carter from Tech's a beast too. He basically shut down Suh. I'm not sure he fits the ZBS well, but he's darn good. Probably too freaky for the Texans to take. LOL

Wolf6151
01-04-2010, 11:39 AM
I think we need a fleet-footed, ball-hawking FS. I'd rather not go into next year having to pick from an aging Ferguson, an injury-prone Barber, or a too slow Busing to get our starting FS.

I'd rather use the 1st day picks on a FS and/or a stud interior lineman (offensive or defensive, we could use upgrades in the middle of both) and either make do with the younguns we have at CB or try and grab one with a 2nd day pick.

While a stud CB would be sweet, I think we're fixed better there than at FS or DT/C/OG.

I disagree. We've got Eugene Wilson under contract for another 2 yrs. at FS and though an upgrade would be nice it's not our highest priority. A stud
OG would really be nice as well and is a distinct possibility but good OG's can be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If Dunta leaves then CB instantly becomes our highest priority. None of the younguns we've currently got on roster is ready to be a true #1 CB, Dunta is the best we've got and he's marginal as a #1 CB. I'd like to see the Texans trade down if possible to the mid-late 20's and then pick one of the following players.

Trevard Lindley or Patrick Robinson-CB
Mike Iupati-OG
Dan Williams-DT

Hagar
01-04-2010, 11:42 AM
Our 1st pick we need a Bonified Lockdown CB

i would like dunta to stay but he will prob be asking way more for what hes worth

How is the CB class looking this year ????According to Scott Wright of DraftCountdown.com, there is a big drop off once Hayden goes off the board.

Sorry can't copy from story so see 3rd question about the Falcon's defense: (http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/AskScott/archive/12-18-2009.php)

Its also an interesting take on the Falcon's who may be picking in front of us should we lose the coin toss.

Carr Bombed
01-04-2010, 12:10 PM
Earl Thomas if he's there.

Mari-OWNED!
01-04-2010, 12:42 PM
Some guys to look at that I've been paying attention to that could potentially be our first round selection.

*Personally I don't see us going offense with our first round selection.*

Donovan Warren: CB, Michigan
Patrick Robinson: CB, Florida State
Ras-I Dowling: CB/FS, Virginia
Earl Thomas: FS, Texas (I doubt he will be available at #19 or #20)
Taylor Mays: FS, USC (I'm not really big on him, but some people are)
Brian Price: DT, UCLA

^ Check these guys out, they're who are on my radar.

Brisco_County
01-04-2010, 02:41 PM
This year is deep for DT, but if Earl Thomas is on the board (unlikely) by the time we pick, I don't see us passing him up. He loves studying football and would be an excellent fit for us.

This guy (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=72819&draftyear=2010&genpos=C) recently caught my attention as a possible value pick in later rounds. John Estes from Hawaii.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 02:42 PM
Im a fan of Ras-I Dowling or Taylor Mays but anyone of those picks will help this defense

Carr Bombed
01-04-2010, 02:48 PM
I think Taylor Mays is going to be a HUGE bust. He'll be another big hitter who can't cover. I hope we do not draft that guy.

mariowillshine15
01-04-2010, 02:58 PM
I think Taylor Mays is going to be a HUGE bust. He'll be another big hitter who can't cover. I hope we do not draft that guy.

Roy Williams 2.0

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 03:02 PM
I think Taylor Mays is going to be a HUGE bust. He'll be another big hitter who can't cover. I hope we do not draft that guy.

You know what? Admittedly, I didn't know much about him last season when he was the rave of draft mocks. I made it a point to look out for him this season. Like you, color me unimpressed. It might've just been the small sample of the couple games I watched, but there wasn't much of anything about him that was worthy of a 1st round pick.

Brisco_County
01-04-2010, 03:06 PM
I think Taylor Mays is going to be a HUGE bust. He'll be another big hitter who can't cover. I hope we do not draft that guy.

Agreed.

You know what? Admittedly, I didn't know much about him last season when he was the rave of draft mocks. I made it a point to look out for him this season. Like you, color me unimpressed. It might've just been the small sample of the couple games I watched, but there wasn't much of anything about him that was worthy of a 1st round pick.

I bet Oakland takes him as their first pick.

Dan B.
01-04-2010, 03:08 PM
Not big on Mays myself. There is nothing that he provides that Pollard doesn't. Maybe someone else will bite and Thomas will drop -- I think it is unlikely that all 3 top safeties are taken before our pick.

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 03:12 PM
Agreed.



I bet Oakland takes him as their first pick.

:spit: If he runs a good 40, it's a lock. If not, they'll turn to the fastest Long-Snapper out there.

Wolf
01-04-2010, 07:43 PM
after seeing what Pollard did for this defense, I'd like to see a safety in the 1st round (of course if one of the top ones are there).. Wilson would be nice to have back, but the other guys .. please no more ...

ATXtexanfan
01-04-2010, 07:44 PM
earl thomas is to good to be true. 1st rd pick has to be a starter.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 07:47 PM
If earl drops down to us i think we have to take him but if he is taken before our pick i think we scout the dt with price and dan williams and also the cb with warren and dowling

treduke
01-04-2010, 08:04 PM
if thomas has a good game thursday with the whole country watching we can kiss him good-bye

mussop
01-04-2010, 08:33 PM
Trade down and pick Berry.
Mays will probably be available around 19 or 20

Berry will most likely be gone top 10 and Mays sucks. Mays is the most over rated player in this draft. His best chance at becoming a succcesfull NFL player is a position change to OLB where his combination of size and speed can be better utilized and his lack of coverage skills can be masked IMO. I wouldnt draft him in the top 2 rounds.


I think our first round pick has to start. So

C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
Rolando McClain LB Alabama
Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech
Trent Williams OT Oklahoma
Mike Iupati OG Idaho
Earl Thomas FS Texas
Dan Williams DT Tennessee

Are my 1st round hopefulls. All would be good value at #20.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 08:37 PM
Berry will most likely be gone top 10 and Mays sucks. Mays is the most over rated player in this draft. His best chance at becoming a succcesfull NFL player is a position change to OLB where his combination of size and speed can be better utilized and his lack of coverage skills can be masked IMO. I wouldnt draft him in the top 2 rounds.


I think our first round pick has to start. So

C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
Rolando McClain LB Alabama
Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech
Trent Williams OT Oklahoma
Mike Iupati OG Idaho
Earl Thomas FS Texas
Dan Williams DT Tennessee

Are my 1st round hopefulls. All would be good value at #20.

IMO Rolando McClain will be gone way before 20 and also where would he play he is an ILB and id rather have Demeco. I guess you could try and change him to OLB but id rather go Earl if available or Dan. G in the first round is reaching IMO becuase you can get similar ones in the 3rd and 4th round. I think we need defensive help alot more then offensive so searl or dan would be my pick. Brian Price DT at UCLA is another possibilty

mussop
01-04-2010, 08:58 PM
IMO Rolando McClain will be gone way before 20 and also where would he play he is an ILB and id rather have Demeco. I guess you could try and change him to OLB but id rather go Earl if available or Dan. G in the first round is reaching IMO becuase you can get similar ones in the 3rd and 4th round. I think we need defensive help alot more then offensive so searl or dan would be my pick. Brian Price DT at UCLA is another possibilty

Any of the players I mentioned could be gone. Rolondo is so good IMO you draft him if he is the BPA and find a way to make it work.

Guard would be a reach in the first round if it was anyone else other than Iupati. He is an incredible prospect that is so good he will get talked up as a OT at the combine.

Also Im not so sure that getting defensive help outways getting the running game going again. We can win with the defense as is. We cant win with the running game as is.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 09:01 PM
Any of the players I mentioned could be gone. Rolondo is so good IMO you draft him if he is the BPA and find a way to make it work.

Guard would be a reach in the first round if it was anyone else other than Iupati. He is an incredible prospect that is so good he will get talked up as a OT at the combine.

Also Im not so sure that getting defensive help outways getting the running game going again. We can win with the defense as is. We cant win with the running game as is.

i think that our running backs are not the problem. Ive been a slaton fan since his days as a mountaineer and i know that he will be able to over come this fumbling problem. He had a monster year his first year whats to stop him from doing it agian. Foster can also be that short yardage back Chris Brown never was. IMO FS or DT is what our defense needs

rmartin65
01-04-2010, 09:06 PM
I dont understand the people who want Spiller or Best. We have a player like that, Slaton. The Texans lack a power runner. Gerhart, Matthews, Dwyer. Those kind of guys.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 09:07 PM
I dont understand the people who want Spiller or Best. We have a player like that, Slaton. The Texans lack a power runner. Gerhart, Matthews, Dwyer. Those kind of guys.

I would love gehart in this draft but thats around 3rd round

DocBar
01-04-2010, 09:46 PM
i think that our running backs are not the problem. Ive been a slaton fan since his days as a mountaineer and i know that he will be able to over come this fumbling problem. He had a monster year his first year whats to stop him from doing it agian. Foster can also be that short yardage back Chris Brown never was. IMO FS or DT is what our defense needs I'm a big fan of what SS did his rookie year, but I have thoughts od DD(W) on my mind. He did squat this year and, regardless,
this is a "what have you done for me lately" league. Was he hiding nerve damage all season, or what? In the end I really don't care, because his lack of production and fumbles cost the Texans dearly. I wish SS the speediest of recoveries and a return to his 2008 form, but I hope the Texans don't bank on it. Foster showed glimpses, but lots of RB's have shown us greatness in short spurts. If the running game means to us what Kubes tells us it does, quit trying to find another Terrel Davis and spend the high draft pick it sometimes takes to get a premier RB. An upgrade at C wouldn't hurt my feelings either, just not in the 1st round.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 09:49 PM
I'm a big fan of what SS did his rookie year, but I have thoughts od DD(W) on my mind. He did squat this year and, regardless,
this is a "what have you done for me lately" league. Was he hiding nerve damage all season, or what? In the end I really don't care, because his lack of production and fumbles cost the Texans dearly. I wish SS the speediest of recoveries and a return to his 2008 form, but I hope the Texans don't bank on it. Foster showed glimpses, but lots of RB's have shown us greatness in short spurts. If the running game means to us what Kubes tells us it does, quit trying to find another Terrel Davis and spend the high draft pick it sometimes takes to get a premier RB. An upgrade at C wouldn't hurt my feelings either, just not in the 1st round.

I wouldnt draft a C until at least the 3rd i dont see any Mangolds or Macks in this draft. Maybe its cause i have always been a Steve Slaton fan, but i think him and foster could be a good tandem together. I think our defensive needs are much more important then our offensive needs(except the interior line which can be reguarded to in the 2nd to 4th rounds)

DocBar
01-04-2010, 10:14 PM
I wouldnt draft a C until at least the 3rd i dont see any Mangolds or Macks in this draft. Maybe its cause i have always been a Steve Slaton fan, but i think him and foster could be a good tandem together. I think our defensive needs are much more important then our offensive needs(except the interior line which can be reguarded to in the 2nd to 4th rounds) I hope SS and AF ARE a dynamic duo and run all over the NFL next year. I also hope the Texans exercise proper judgment and target RB and IOL appropriately in te offseason. They were both sore spots this season, whether due to injury, bad play or both. C just happens to be the biggest OL deficiency I see, so far.

Ole Miss Texan
01-04-2010, 10:35 PM
1st Rd - OG Mike Iupati, Idaho
2nd Rd - CB Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest
3rd Rd - WR Dexter McCluster, Ole Miss

RagingBull
01-05-2010, 01:43 AM
For the first time ever, I think we can truly go best player available. We can get by at any position without an upgrade, but any position outside of QB could use an upgrade. Stud WR on the board? Take him. Stud linebacker? Get him. Stud Corner, OL, DL, Safety? We could use help at all of those postions. Obviously our areas where we need help most are OL, DL, Secondary, and RB, but they are all serviceable as is.

It is because we were "forced" to take need positions that we missed out on guys like Revis and Willis for Okoye. The next year our "need" for a LT had us miss on guys like Felix Jones and Chris Johnson. In 2009, we got really lucky that our need corresponded to one of the very best guys in the draft.

I really hope that our guys just pick the best players on the board every round.

mexican_texan
01-05-2010, 02:00 AM
You know what? Admittedly, I didn't know much about him last season when he was the rave of draft mocks. I made it a point to look out for him this season. Like you, color me unimpressed. It might've just been the small sample of the couple games I watched, but there wasn't much of anything about him that was worthy of a 1st round pick.

Ditto

Brisco_County
01-05-2010, 05:02 AM
You know what? Admittedly, I didn't know much about him last season when he was the rave of draft mocks. I made it a point to look out for him this season. Like you, color me unimpressed. It might've just been the small sample of the couple games I watched, but there wasn't much of anything about him that was worthy of a 1st round pick.

I read on Daniel Jeremiah's twitter page that Mays doesn't ever wrap up, he just hits. He said Berry is way more valuable.

Houston_Fanatic
01-06-2010, 10:23 PM
How many picks do we get this year? I know we have all our early rounds. Any late round extras? Did we get a late-round pick for trading TJ to the Chargers?

awtysst
01-07-2010, 07:34 AM
How many picks do we get this year? I know we have all our early rounds. Any late round extras? Did we get a late-round pick for trading TJ to the Chargers?

Extra 6th for TJ. There is a possibility it goes to a 5th with certain playing time.

so:
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No More 8-8's
01-07-2010, 09:56 AM
How has TJ done over there in California? im sure he is liking the In-N-Out Burgers.

Ole Miss Texan
01-07-2010, 10:41 AM
How has TJ done over there in California? im sure he is liking the In-N-Out Burgers.

Played in 13 games, started none. Had 16 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 FF, 0 Int's and 1 pass deflection.

Is it possible that we'd actually have to owe the Chargers for taking him? :strangle:

TexCanada
01-08-2010, 01:29 PM
There is a fair number of football "experts" saying that Earl Thomas is better suited as a SS in the NFL. If thats so, it is quite possible that we would pass on him if he is available. It is also quite possible that he is gone by our pick, with Pitt a couple picks ahead of us and in need of a safety.

Ras-I Downling ends up being our pick in a number of mocks, since he could play either CB or FS. Anybody know anything about this kid?

bah007
01-08-2010, 01:33 PM
There is a fair number of football "experts" saying that Earl Thomas is better suited as a SS in the NFL. If thats so, it is quite possible that we would pass on him if he is available. It is also quite possible that he is gone by our pick, with Pitt a couple picks ahead of us and in need of a safety.

Ras-I Downling ends up being our pick in a number of mocks, since he could play either CB or FS. Anybody know anything about this kid?

Anybody who says that is not a football expert and they are flat out wrong.

I'm not always right when it comes to prospect evaluation but I pride myself on my ability to evaluate DBs. I've missed before but I've nailed pretty much all of them in the last few years. Thomas will be either a CB or a FS.

TexCanada
01-08-2010, 02:09 PM
Anybody who says that is not a football expert and they are flat out wrong.

I'm not always right when it comes to prospect evaluation but I pride myself on my ability to evaluate DBs. I've missed before but I've nailed pretty much all of them in the last few years. Thomas will be either a CB or a FS.

Sounds like he would fit in just fine for our team then.

wolf123
01-08-2010, 02:18 PM
Anybody who says that is not a football expert and they are flat out wrong.

I'm not always right when it comes to prospect evaluation but I pride myself on my ability to evaluate DBs. I've missed before but I've nailed pretty much all of them in the last few years. Thomas will be either a CB or a FS.

He'll never be a CB.

bah007
01-08-2010, 02:30 PM
He'll never be a CB.

If you say so. I said the same thing about Michael Griffin and y'all told me I was wrong and he would be a SS. Lo and behold he played CB his first year and FS ever since.

Thomas has 8 picks and the majority have come from man to man coverage as the nickel CB. We play the majority of our snaps from the nickel so right now he is more of a CB than he is a FS anyway.

Texan4Ever
01-08-2010, 02:37 PM
Not to hijack this thread, but Earl Thomas might be in my class next semester so if he is I'll try to convince him to play for us :shades:!

Right now I would love for us to take a stud corner back like Joe Haden or trade out of the first round if our guys are not there. There are some studs to be had in the second round (Javier Arenas anyone?)

wolf123
01-08-2010, 05:30 PM
If you say so. I said the same thing about Michael Griffin and y'all told me I was wrong and he would be a SS. Lo and behold he played CB his first year and FS ever since.

Thomas has 8 picks and the majority have come from man to man coverage as the nickel CB. We play the majority of our snaps from the nickel so right now he is more of a CB than he is a FS anyway.

He also didn't play well at CB and so the staff moved him to FS. Every year people talk about a safeties ability to switch and play some corner and every year the team finds out they don't have the coverage skills to move to CB. Look at Huff, Nelson, kenny phillips, etc

rollinstone18
01-09-2010, 04:21 PM
i think thomas is similiar to eugene wilson. and both are athletic enough to play cb in nickel packages. thomas is an absolute ballhawk, so i'd love it if we selected him.

SteveSlaton20
01-10-2010, 03:00 AM
1st Rd - OG Mike Iupati, Idaho
2nd Rd - CB Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest
3rd Rd - WR Dexter McCluster, Ole Miss

isnt dexter a rb?

bah007
01-10-2010, 03:29 PM
He also didn't play well at CB and so the staff moved him to FS. Every year people talk about a safeties ability to switch and play some corner and every year the team finds out they don't have the coverage skills to move to CB. Look at Huff, Nelson, kenny phillips, etc

Not sure where you got your info but Thomas has been a FS ever since he walked on campus at UT. And his coverage skills, not lack of, are what allow us to move him down to the nickel CB every time we use that package.

You don't have to preach to me about moving a S to CB or vice versa. I'm very much against that idea in almost all cases.

TexansSeminole
01-10-2010, 03:32 PM
What I like about Thomas is his ability to play man up on a slot receiver if we want to keep our base package in against a 3 receiver set. The only thing I wonder about is his ability to tackle the Ray Rice/Adrian Peterson/Matt Forte/Jones Drews of the league.

bah007
01-10-2010, 03:40 PM
What I like about Thomas is his ability to play man up on a slot receiver if we want to keep our base package in against a 3 receiver set. The only thing I wonder about is his ability to tackle the Ray Rice/Adrian Peterson/Matt Forte/Jones Drews of the league.

This is where most people will worry. I saw him come up and wrap up Ingram a few times, but I saw him whiff one or two as well.

He goes 197 right now. If he adds 5-10 pounds I think most scouts will be satisfied. He has the best coverage skills of all the safeties in this draft though. Even better than Berry in that regard.

Ole Miss Texan
01-10-2010, 04:08 PM
isnt dexter a rb?
He's not going to be a full-time RB in the NFL. Maybe a few snaps a game, but mostly be used as a WR and on special teams.


Now that Earl Thomas has declared, I'd be interested in him and then maybe an OG in the 2nd rd. Does Jon Asamoah last till our 2nd rd pick?

El Tejano
01-12-2010, 01:41 PM
What I like about Thomas is his ability to play man up on a slot receiver if we want to keep our base package in against a 3 receiver set. The only thing I wonder about is his ability to tackle the Ray Rice/Adrian Peterson/Matt Forte/Jones Drews of the league.

He did a decent job on Mark Ingram. He's not a tackler that goes for the big hit even though he can, but he does make good open field tackles.

El Tejano
01-12-2010, 01:42 PM
So I'm wondering if he last til the 20th pick. I saw that we just got the 20th pick.

silvrhand
01-12-2010, 01:56 PM
This is where most people will worry. I saw him come up and wrap up Ingram a few times, but I saw him whiff one or two as well.

He goes 197 right now. If he adds 5-10 pounds I think most scouts will be satisfied. He has the best coverage skills of all the safeties in this draft though. Even better than Berry in that regard.

Ugh, he's too small, I can imagine MJD having a field day with this guy at FS. I'd like someone a few inches taller as well. 5'10" is a bit short for a FS.

Wolf6151
01-12-2010, 02:39 PM
Ugh, he's too small, I can imagine MJD having a field day with this guy at FS. I'd like someone a few inches taller as well. 5'10" is a bit short for a FS.


No offense intended but your worried about the wrong thing when discussing a FS ability to play in the NFL. His coverage ability, ability to read the play, recognize routes, read the QB are all much more important than his ability to tackle large RB's. If a RB is consistently making it to the FS, who's our last line of defense, then we've got much bigger issues on the D-line, LB's, and SS. I'm not worried about his tackling ability against RB's, give me Earl Thomas in the 1st round if he's available.

Vinny
01-12-2010, 02:47 PM
A FS needs to play like a larger CB but they sure need to be good tacklers or it won't work.

GP
01-12-2010, 03:50 PM
1st Rd - OG Mike Iupati, Idaho
2nd Rd - CB Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest
3rd Rd - WR Dexter McCluster, Ole Miss

There is no way McCluster lasts until the 3rd round.

He has way too much to offer teams who need that type of guy that we have in Jacoby, or that Minnesota has in Harvin, or the Eagles have in DeSean Jackson.

McCluster is going to be BIG time, IMO.

I would take him in round 1 if I had the 20th pick.

I think he's special. I think he can play RB in this league. I really do.

Ole Miss Texan
01-12-2010, 04:09 PM
There is no way McCluster lasts until the 3rd round.

He has way too much to offer teams who need that type of guy that we have in Jacoby, or that Minnesota has in Harvin, or the Eagles have in DeSean Jackson.

McCluster is going to be BIG time, IMO.

I would take him in round 1 if I had the 20th pick.

I think he's special. I think he can play RB in this league. I really do.

I'm glad that makes two of us that want him! I'm starting to have my doubts he lasts till our 3rd rounder. The playmaking ability is just too much to pass on... very similar to DeSean Jackson. I'm thinking we're going to need to take him in the 2nd round.

1. FS/CB
2. Dexter
3. OG

GP
01-13-2010, 09:54 AM
I'm glad that makes two of us that want him! I'm starting to have my doubts he lasts till our 3rd rounder. The playmaking ability is just too much to pass on... very similar to DeSean Jackson. I'm thinking we're going to need to take him in the 2nd round.

1. FS/CB
2. Dexter
3. OG

McCluster is one of those guys that a great team will spend it's late 1st rounder upon.

Teams that go deep into the playoffs, who then sit at the back end of the first round, will let other teams draft up the big olinemen and dlinemen and other household names like Bradford and McCoy and Ingram etc.

Then, they snatch up McCluster with the 29th or 30th or 31st pick and add instant playmaking ability to their team. The other guys are gone by then, and McCluster has value as a late first rounder.

His burst, his balance, his vision, and his tenacity are soooo valuable to a team that needs an x-factor. I think a lot of the Vikings early success this season was due to the x-factor of having Percy Harvin.

McCluster might make it into round 2...but not sure he can last until our pick. And I really doubt that Kubiak would take him at that spot, either.

But who knows.

GP
01-13-2010, 09:56 AM
I also think Snead is going to be a better NFL QB, over the long haul, than any of the other household names that are further up the QB draft chart.

Ole Miss is a hot-bed of talent.

bah007
01-13-2010, 10:05 AM
Ugh, he's too small, I can imagine MJD having a field day with this guy at FS. I'd like someone a few inches taller as well. 5'10" is a bit short for a FS.

That's what Pollard is for. Thomas will have different responsibilities.

WolverineFan
01-13-2010, 11:40 AM
I also think Snead is going to be a better NFL QB, over the long haul, than any of the other household names that are further up the QB draft chart.

Ole Miss is a hot-bed of talent.

Ole Miss usually does have good NFL talent even if their team isn't that good. However, I don't think Snead is one of those guys. He proved this year that he cannot play with expectations. He was pretty good last year when he was under the radar, but he wasn't playing at an All-American level or anything. And this year he was just downright bad. He has a good arm, but has erratic accuracy, and above all else he doesn't have an NFL mind IMO. When I say that I mean I don't think he can handle the mental side of being an NFL QB. He has the physical tools, but the mental side is missing. If you can't do it in college then you can't do it in the NFL.

GP
01-13-2010, 03:29 PM
Ole Miss usually does have good NFL talent even if their team isn't that good. However, I don't think Snead is one of those guys. He proved this year that he cannot play with expectations. He was pretty good last year when he was under the radar, but he wasn't playing at an All-American level or anything. And this year he was just downright bad. He has a good arm, but has erratic accuracy, and above all else he doesn't have an NFL mind IMO. When I say that I mean I don't think he can handle the mental side of being an NFL QB. He has the physical tools, but the mental side is missing. If you can't do it in college then you can't do it in the NFL.

I say what I say because I thought that very same thing about Eli Manning.

There's something about that program that just seems to be producing good talent lately.

But, you might be right.

Ole Miss Texan
01-13-2010, 04:05 PM
I've got mixed emotions about Snead. Should he stay or should he go?

He obviously underperformed this season, but then again our entire offense did. There were a handful of times when I thought, "we finally GET it" but then we'd follow it up with a terrible game. McCluster WAS our offense, that's it.

Ole Miss has some good competition for the QB spot next season, so much so that if Snead continues what he did this season... he may get benched. That would really hurt. I think staying for another year, fine tuning what he does well and growing more as a QB would do him really well and increase his draft stock. Can't make the dumb mental mistakes, poor reads or poor decisions he did this season.

On the other hand, he's a senior who finished his degree (lost a year of eligibility due to transfer from UT). His dream is to be a QB in the NFL and he's got that opportunity right now after graduating from college. Everyone wants to start but I think coming into the NFL and sitting behind a veteran QB is a really really smart thing to do. So why risk injury in college when all you're doing is trying to improve your draft stock and game a little?

He's got everything NFL teams want in a franchise QB and with some coaching and time, he might (one would hope) be able to improve on his reads, decision making, etc etc. Go be a 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick... sit behind a vet for a while, learning the NFL system, that team's system and then go forward? He's going to go in get paid $500K minimum a year to fine tune his skills and then get a shot. Maybe the QB goes down with an injury, maybe the QB goes to prison on dogfighting charges, maybe he gets traded after a couple years and lands a huge contract like Schaub!?

If your good your going to get paid. It may take a tad longer, but I bet a year of coaching in the nfl will be what he gets from the ole miss program. I think Snead sees the big picture and isn't worried so much about where he gets drafted. Of course you never know what might happen, it could bite him in the ass. I wish him the best of luck though!!

TexansSeminole
01-13-2010, 04:27 PM
A FS needs to play like a larger CB but they sure need to be good tacklers or it won't work.

Exactly. Your safeties need to be able to consistently tackle anybody (big receiver, TE, RB, whatever). Doesn't matter if it is your free safety or your strong safety. I'm not saying that your free safety needs to be able to come down and stone MJD at the line of scrimmage, but if MJD breaks past the first two levels of your defense you need a guy who can run him down and tackle him. Sometimes you just need to limit the big plays to large gains, not touchdowns. Maybe then you can hold the offense to a FG or better yet force a mistake. That was the Texans problem early in the year, if a guy got past the linebackers, there wasn't anyone in the secondary that could make the TD saving tackle.

I love Thomas' coverage ability, he reminds me alot of a cornerback. I've seen him make some good tackles, and I have also seen him just run past a guy and whiff. It happens, there isn't a guy in this draft that doesn't do that occasionally. My thing with Thomas is can he make those tackles against big NFL RBs?

I think he is worth the 20th pick for sure. If he was there I would take him in a heartbeat.

WolverineFan
01-14-2010, 02:51 AM
I say what I say because I thought that very same thing about Eli Manning.

There's something about that program that just seems to be producing good talent lately.

But, you might be right.

Well I don't think much of Eli either to be honest. The Giants won a Super Bowl off of an outstanding defense and dominant running game. All he had to do was not screw it up. Now he has played better since then and has shown me that he has the potential to be a top QB. But he has yet to actually get there. I don't see that potential in Snead however.

BOLIO
01-14-2010, 08:08 PM
1) Thomas FS Texas - Starter day one
2) Mike Johnson OG Bama - Starter day one
3) Gerhart RB Stanford - Part time starter day on

whiskeyrbl
01-17-2010, 09:58 AM
This is sorta lengthy:

There are alot of things to take into consideration. First of all is the OG position. We will have Chester Pitts 30 yrs. old coming off IR in a contract year, and Briesel coming off IR. We also have the DRob delima, do we keep or cut, then J. Reeves who played better this year a young guy named Quin who looked like a solid #2, and McCain who showed flashes, and Bennett who was a better cheerleader than CB this year. SS is an issue with E. Wilson coming off IR in which he was out twice with injuries, and a revolving door after him. DT is still a concern with improved run stoppage the last 13 weeks but literally no pass rush to speak of. At RB we have the Slaton nerve issue(I heard on radio he should be ok without surgery) an emerging Foster in the last two games, Moats who is servicable, J. Johnson on IR, Chris Henry on PS, and Chris Brown hopefully on the next plane out of Houston. At WR we have Walter who is an above ave. hands guy in a contract year, an emerging JJ as a good reciever, an overpaid Andre Davis and an overachieving David Anderson. A small center in Myers. And last but not least we have OD, Ryans, Pollard to resign. So let's assume we decide not to re-sign Pitts, we release DRob and Bennett at CB, release C Brown and C henry at RB, and do not re-sign Walter and cut A Davis at WR. How do we draft then? I think our need's fall to OG, SS, CB, DT as our most glaring needs with a RB a fast WLB and a PK needed and maybe a WR. We still have Martinez that looks like a good #3. So in this scenario here are some options I think we could do.


In looking at 5-6 different mock drafts from walter football, draft Tek and a few others I have come up with a list of possibles to put on our draft board watch. At #20 I would say our most glaring need to fill is FS or OG. The two names that jump out here are Mike Iupati and Taylor Mays both showing being picked between #16 and a high 2nd rd. pick. If this is the case I think I would pick Mays as probably BPA and fill a need at the same time and be able to get a OG in a later rd. So onto the second I would look at OG and CB as a need to fill here or a RB if he was a "just can't pass up". Here I find names on the board Of Toby Gerhart RB, Jahvid Best RB, Johnathon Dwyer RB, Patrick Robinson CB, Perrish Cox CB, Jon Asomoah OG, Kyle Wilson CB, Maurice Pouncey OG. Looking at these few guys I really think I found a "can't pass up" RB in Dwyer and can probably get my OG and CB in rd's 3 & 4. So I would take Dwyer in Rd 2. RD 3 I have got to look at my CB and OG position's. I found some good names here as we have Perrish Cox, Jon Asomoah, Vladimir Ducasse OG, Lamarr Houston DT, and Daryl Washington ILB/OLB. We the afore mentioned scenario I think I would lean to Perrish Cox CB in the 3rd. So my first 3 rounds look as such

RD1 Taylor Mays FS USC 6'4 225

RD2 Jonathon Dwyer RB Georgia Tech 6'1 235

RD3 Perrish Cox CB OSU 6'1 195

Now that the all important first 3 rd's are in I will take a look at rd's 4-7 remembering we have two 6th rd picks.

In Rd 4 I am still seeing Daryl Washington's name pop up so I believe I would jump on him as BPA in rd 4 giving us another LB that can play both ILB and OLB. In Rd 5 I am looking at John Jerry OG from Mississippi, younger brother of Peria Jerry. In rd. 6
Brandon Carter OG and Leigh Tiffin K. In rd 7 I would go Josh Gordy CB. So my 7 rd. mcok looks as such

RD1 Taylor Mays FS USC 6'4 225

RD2 Jonathon Dwyer RB Georgia Tech 6'1 235

RD3 Perrish Cox CB OSU 6'1 195

RD4 Daryl Washington ILB/OLB TCU 6'3 234

RD5 John Jerry OG Mississippi 6'5 350

RD6(a) Brandon Carter OG Texas Tech 6'7 374

RD6(b) Leigh Tiffin PK Alabama 6'1 198

RD7 Josh Gordy CB Cent. Michigan 5'11 190

In free agency I would go after Richard Seymore or Vince Wolfork at DT. That way we have a proven DT not a prospect