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HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 09:35 AM
I'm used to getting ripped for strong opinions and being a Dallas fan.

I'm not trying to be negative but I can't be happy about 9-7. Maybe I have a different mind set but when people were asked what to expect this year it seemed many said 10-6 or 11-5. Yet now the city seems giddy at 9-7. It seems like Groundhog Day of the "we finished strong, next year will rock" mentality. I mean it is great to hit a milestone but is it good enough? When Kubiak was hired, if someone told you the Texans would get to 9-7 after 4 years would you be happy? As I've said 50 times I think there needs to be a new standard in place. The new standard should be that of franchises like the Colts, Cowboys, Steelers, etc. Playoffs or bust. In the dance or disappointment. I still get concerned that with one game to make it the team didn't wake up until about 13 minutes left in the game. This has been a problem all year. Maybe it all gets fixed. I just don't like celebrating ok...which is 9-7

Don't get mad at me.....just the way I see it.

silvrhand
01-04-2010, 09:39 AM
I'm used to getting ripped for strong opinions and being a Dallas fan.

I'm not trying to be negative but I can't be happy about 9-7. Maybe I have a different mind set but when people were asked what to expect this year it seemed many said 10-6 or 11-5. Yet now the city seems giddy at 9-7. It seems like Groundhog Day of the "we finished strong, next year will rock" mentality. I mean it is great to hit a milestone but is it good enough? When Kubiak was hired, if someone told you would get to 9-7 after 4 years would you be happy? As I've said 50 times I think there needs to be a new standard in place. The new standard should be that of franchises like the Colts, Cowboys, Steelers, etc. Playoffs or bust. In the dance or disappointment. I still get concerned that with one game to make it the team didn't wake up until about 13 minutes left in the game. This has been a problem all year. Maybe it all gets fixed. I just don't like celebrating ok...which is 9-7

Don't get mad at me.....just the way I see it.

100% agree, my biggest dissapointment this year besides our kicker has to be Mario, he needs to step it up big time next year. We need a pass rush BADLY..

FirstTexansFan
01-04-2010, 09:42 AM
Well, my predication at the beginning of the year was 9 - 7, but being right doesn't make me happy. So many opportunities wasted this year, and when this team should have stepped up, it fail on it's face. But I'm a masochist, being a fan of any team in Houston makes us that way. I'll keep my hopes alive for next year, and a dramatic turn-around :)

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 09:42 AM
I've already made my feelings pretty clear these past few weeks. I'm happy for our first winning season, but unhappy on what could have been, if that makes sense.

We failed to take care of business coming off our bye week and it cost us a sure spot in the post season.

In the end, rather than going through another coaching change, I'm giving Kubiak one last shot. I like the guy and pray to the good Lord that he's the one that can make this team a consistent winner for Houston and it's fans.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 09:44 AM
I've already made my feelings pretty clear these past few weeks. I'm happy for our first winning season, but unhappy on what could have been, if that makes sense.

We failed to take care of business coming off our bye week and it cost us a sure spot in the post season.

In the end, rather than going through another coaching change, I'm giving Kubiak one last shot. I like the guy and pray to the good Lord that he's the one that can make this team a consistent winner for Houston and it's fans.

Rep. I agree. 9-7 gives him a 5th year. But no excuses. The schedule sets up with some difficult games. The talk of expectations has to be real this year.

FirstTexansFan
01-04-2010, 09:46 AM
my biggest dissapointment this year besides our kicker has to be Mario, he needs to step it up big time next year. We need a pass rush BADLY..

We should rename him Mari-O-Round, the guy 99% of the time takes the wide arc rush approach. I guess if we had pressure in the middle from Amobi and Cody, he would flush the QB into their arms. All I do know, getting behind the QB on just about every play shows you can apply pressure, but eventually you have to apply pressure intelligently.

Tailgate
01-04-2010, 09:46 AM
I am not happy, but definitely not as upset had we lost yesterday. To think our offense is where its at... DESPITE having zero running game this year gives me very high hopes for our future. Especially with our D coming into form.

I predicted 9 wins this year, and we hit that mark. I never knew if it was going to be enough to get in or not. Regardless... 6 wins, 8 wins, 8 wins, and now 9 wins. The arrow is pointing up people.

Next year is definitely the year its playoffs or BUST.

houstonspartan
01-04-2010, 09:48 AM
Wow. I thought it was just me. Yesterday, out at the bar watching the afternoon games, I was happy and excited and celebrating with my friends, but, deep down, something was nagging at me.

It was nagging at me when I got home last night, and it nagged me as I was sleeping. And it nagged me this morning. I'm happy for the win, but, for some reason, something about the Texans season feels unsatisfactory to me. It's this dull, knawing feeling that I can't shake.

I'll take 9-7 and what that entails, but, something about this season has left me feeling cold.

Of course, I also have the season ticket issue hanging over my head like an anvil. I wonder how much McNair is going to raise prices AGAIN.

Khari
01-04-2010, 09:49 AM
i'm not that happy with 9-7 either.........we could of ended up so much better.....but I am happy we had a shot

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 09:53 AM
Rep. I agree. 9-7 gives him a 5th year. But no excuses. The schedule sets up with some difficult games. The talk of expectations has to be real this year.

Heck, it was real to me this year. LOL. That's why I've been such a pessimist since that dadgum MNF game against the titans. I truly expected a shot in the playoffs this season, without having to rely on other teams.

Once again, our off-season has begun and it darn well better be a good one. I expect to be a shoe-in for the playoffs next season. We deserve it, dadgummit!!

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 09:56 AM
Heck, it was real to me this year. LOL. That's why I've been such a pessimist since that dadgum MNF game against the titans. I truly expected a shot in the playoffs this season, without having to rely on other teams.

Once again, our off-season has begun and it darn well better be a good one. I expect to be a shoe-in for the playoffs next season. We deserve it, dadgummit!!

Well that is one reason I wrote this. I remember people having this conversation before last season. "No more expansion, time to step up." Yet it didn't happen again. I also was disappointed to see McNair talk about how great it was because of "injuries, etc." I hate the excuses.

GP
01-04-2010, 09:57 AM
I basically laid off my bad attitude, yesterday, to not be a pain in the rear to everyohe else on this board.

I took my "Good little boy" pills and was as cheery as could be.

Once we missed two FGs and an extra point, then found ourselves down by 14, I completely banned myself from the board for the rest of the game. I still watched the game, but I never ONCE believed that we'd end up winning it. I figured someone would screw it up somehow.

And that's where I'm at on this very day for how I think 2010 will go: Somehow, there will be enough "suckage" for this team to still manage to lose enough games that we're hoping and praying on the last weekend of the season.

I just don't see the killer instinct in Kubiak, and I think head coaches in the NFL are solely responsible for that type of attitude. The great coaches have this demeanor about them that you KNOW they can ride through the gates of hell and come back clean as a whistle. Some of those do it in short bursts and are gone quickly (Dungy, for example), and some have long legacies of being great (Bilichick is a current example). Regardless of the window of time, there exists a great coach who had the right mix for the right team.

I just don't see it with Kubiak.

The abismal divisional record tells me he does not know how to overcome a known foe, even after having 24 shots at those teams. 6 divisional games a year, multiplied by 4 years, is 24 divisional games. This year's record against our KNOWN FOES was 1-6. There was no big, wide, sweeping changes made by any of those rivals.

Gary Kubiak is great at tinkering with things behind the scenes. I can't deny that he took a pretty stale offense and has really made it into a good one.

But I have zero confidence in his ability to actually find strategies that out-fox the opponent from week-to-week. And you know what? That's going to put the players in a tough situation.

Love this team, but the head coach is not good enough.

HJam72
01-04-2010, 09:57 AM
That nagging feeling is called "1-5."

Porky
01-04-2010, 10:01 AM
I know what you are saying, but sometimes it's the journey and not the destination that gives us the greatest satisfaction. We can be happy with progress, with incremental steps while lamenting all of the lost opportunities and issues that still exist. I don't see it as the either/or proposition that you seem to be pushing here. It seems you are proposing that those of us who are happy are satisifed. There is a difference. One can be happy at the first time accomplishments of the team - first winning record, best O, best D etc, while being ultimately dissatisifed by the wasted opportunities. This team could have had an 11-12 win season but for a few kicks and bounces... easily so, with not a stretch at all. You say your not happy with 9-7? What were your feelings with 4-12?

houstonspartan
01-04-2010, 10:04 AM
I basically laid off my bad attitude, yesterday, to not be a pain in the rear to everyohe else on this board.

I took my "Good little boy" pills and was as cheery as could be.

Once we missed two FGs and an extra point, then found ourselves down by 14, I completely banned myself from the board for the rest of the game. I still watched the game, but I never ONCE believed that we'd end up winning it. I figured someone would screw it up somehow.

And that's where I'm at on this very day for how I think 2010 will go: Somehow, there will be enough "suckage" for this team to still manage to lose enough games that we're hoping and praying on the last weekend of the season.

I just don't see the killer instinct in Kubiak, and I think head coaches in the NFL are solely responsible for that type of attitude. The great coaches have this demeanor about them that you KNOW they can ride through the gates of hell and come back clean as a whistle. Some of those do it in short bursts and are gone quickly (Dungy, for example), and some have long legacies of being great (Bilichick is a current example). Regardless of the window of time, there exists a great coach who had the right mix for the right team.

I just don't see it with Kubiak.

The abismal divisional record tells me he does not know how to overcome a known foe, even after having 24 shots at those teams. 6 divisional games a year, multiplied by 4 years, is 24 divisional games. This year's record against our KNOWN FOES was 1-6. There was no big, wide, sweeping changes made by any of those rivals.

Gary Kubiak is great at tinkering with things behind the scenes. I can't deny that he took a pretty stale offense and has really made it into a good one.

But I have zero confidence in his ability to actually find strategies that out-fox the opponent from week-to-week. And you know what? That's going to put the players in a tough situation.

Love this team, but the head coach is not good enough.


I agree. Yeah, I think it's the divisional performance that nags at me. We should know those teams backwards and forwards, yet we do not. Meanwhile, they certainly know us well.

I just don't understand how someone can do poorly on 90 percent of his job - the divisional games - and still be considered a good coach.

And, people are underestimating the potential schedule next year. It's going to be rough. Then again, that'll just set us up for the "but we had a tough schedule" excuse.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 10:08 AM
I think it is perfectly fine to not be happy because personally i feel the Texans played much better this year than a 9-7 team. The first winning season is a accomplishment but this team is better then that and choked in close games. This team couldve eaisly been 11-5 and the playoffs wouldnt have even been a question.

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 10:11 AM
That nagging feeling is called "1-5."

Ugh! QFT!

Two against the Jags! :gun:

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 10:17 AM
I know what you are saying, but sometimes it's the journey and not the destination that gives us the greatest satisfaction. We can be happy with progress, with incremental steps while lamenting all of the lost opportunities and issues that still exist. I don't see it as the either/or proposition that you seem to be pushing here. It seems you are proposing that those of us who are happy are satisifed. There is a difference. One can be happy at the first time accomplishments of the team - first winning record, best O, best D etc, while being ultimately dissatisifed by the wasted opportunities. This team could have had an 11-12 win season but for a few kicks and bounces... easily so, with not a stretch at all. You say your not happy with 9-7? What were your feelings with 4-12?

I actually wasn't trying to make it an indictment on a faction here or certain posters. It was more what I heard city wide driving to work and yesterday. A contentment citywide that "one more year" will get it done. I heard it last year too. That is what bothers me. People have short memories on the feelings from past years. After awhile you are just piling up "one more years."

Texan_Bill
01-04-2010, 10:19 AM
Ugh! QFT!

Two against the Jags! :gun:

So much for the 'ol "we own the Jags" talk. We're 8-8 lifetime. :gun:

ChrisG
01-04-2010, 10:19 AM
its a weird feeling this morning...im pumped we got our 1st winning season. Last year I would have been happy with this outcome, but after seeing all the wasted opportunities all i can think about today is what if. What if we started the season prepared, what if we won one more game (preferably in our division)....

overall i'm happy but ik i could have been happier

euro-Texan
01-04-2010, 10:20 AM
I can understand people wanting more. I just choose to see that we had a long way to go and while I assumed it was inevidable for us to progress, we could have just as easily wound up like the Lions the way we were going.

Indy fans are pissed right now because they didn't get a perfect season. They have every right.

Steeler fans are pissed because they didn't get back into the playyoffs after winning it all. They have every right.

As far as the Texans fans expectations go, I understand the dissappointment, but we had a lot of demons going into this season and while we didn't get past all of them, we did get past a couple of big ones.

houstonspartan
01-04-2010, 10:21 AM
I can understand people wanting more. I just choose to see that we had a long way to go and while I assumed it was inevidable for us to progress, we could have just as easily wound up like the Lions the way we were going.

Indy fans are pissed right now because they didn't get a perfect season. They have every right.

Steeler fans are pissed because they didn't get back into the playyoffs after winning it all. They have every right.

As far as the Texans fans expectations go, I understand the dissappointment, but we had a lot of demons going into this season and while we didn't get past all of them, we did get past a couple of big ones.


Very good points. Well said.

I am happy we hit 9-7. And, I hope and pray that Kubiak learns from his coaching mistakes. Something tells me he won't, but one can only hope.

Pantherstang84
01-04-2010, 10:28 AM
Well that is one reason I wrote this. I remember people having this conversation before last season. "No more expansion, time to step up." Yet it didn't happen again. I also was disappointed to see McNair talk about how great it was because of "injuries, etc." I hate the excuses.

You know we could all put on loin cloths sit in the ashes and feel sorry for ourselves like Job, but what good would it do?

What happened, happened. There will be no coaching change this year to much consternation of some posters. Could the Texans have closed out some winnable games? Sure, but they didn't and I for one will move on and look forward to next year.

I wonder how many coaches have ever been fired after going 9-7? Anyone know?

BigTimeTexanFan
01-04-2010, 10:30 AM
Wow. I thought it was just me. Yesterday, out at the bar watching the afternoon games, I was happy and excited and celebrating with my friends, but, deep down, something was nagging at me.

It was nagging at me when I got home last night, and it nagged me as I was sleeping. And it nagged me this morning. I'm happy for the win, but, for some reason, something about the Texans season feels unsatisfactory to me. It's this dull, knawing feeling that I can't shake.

I'll take 9-7 and what that entails, but, something about this season has left me feeling cold.

Of course, I also have the season ticket issue hanging over my head like an anvil. I wonder how much McNair is going to raise prices AGAIN.


You know my wife?

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 10:31 AM
So much for the 'ol "we own the Jags" talk. We're 8-8 lifetime. :gun:

Especially considering the Jags were mediocre at best this season. Oh, the Monday nighter against the titans was lovely too. That one about sent me into cardiac arrest.

Oh, what could have been. Bastages!

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 10:34 AM
You know we could all put on loin cloths sit in the ashes and feel sorry for ourselves like Job, but what good would it do?

What happened, happened. There will be no coaching change this year to much consternation of some posters. Could the Texans have closed out some winnable games? Sure, but they didn't and I for one will move on and look forward to next year.

I wonder how many coaches have ever been fired after going 9-7? Anyone know?

I'm not advocating firing....right now...was earlier. But Schottenheimer got fired after 14-2. Wade Phillips probably saved his job at 11-5 and winning the division but he isn't safe. It depends on the standard. The Jets just made the playoffs with a new coach and a rookie QB. They weren't bad last year.(edit)....9-7. Just saying, it has happened.

SheTexan
01-04-2010, 10:38 AM
Why is McNair being nailed for using injuries as an excuse? Think where we might be today if OD ALONE had not been injured. Our entire offense suffered due to injuries and that's a FACT, not an excuse! backups are called BACKUPs for a reason, they are not good enough to be STARTERS!! Moats and Foster stepped it up, but, it took some time, and we ran out of time.

Kubiak continuing to play CB is an excuse, or KB shanking easy kicks, that's an excuse, but, injuries are NOT excuses, they are a hard reality.

Am I happy? Of course not! I want MORE Texan football, and don't want to wait until Sept to get it. BUT, since I have my doubts our team is ready for a playoff run anyway, I would rather them be right where they are, healing old injuries, and getting ready for 2010. JMO

Pantherstang84
01-04-2010, 10:41 AM
I'm not advocating firing....right now...was earlier. But Schottenheimer got fired after 14-2. Wade Phillips probably saved his job at 11-5 and winning the division but he isn't safe. It depends on the standard. The Jets just made the playoffs with a new coach and a rookie QB. They weren't bad last year.(edit)....9-7. Just saying, it has happened.

And a couple of gift wrapped games. If Indy and Cincy had not laid down the last 2 weeks, would the Jets be in the playoffs? Not a strong argument you're making there.

Schott's problem was he couldn't win in the playoffs and that was a knee jerk firing IMO that stunned the league.

El Tejano
01-04-2010, 10:58 AM
I don't think anything is wrong with not being happy but there would be something wrong with being upset over this record. If that makes any sense.

I see what you are saying about how Steelers, Cowboys etc.. football teams view their seasons. However if you are a fan of those teams you probably weren't there at their inception and you grew up with these teams winning Super Bowls. So yes, your perspective could be off based on circumstance. Those teams also had to learn how to be winners first though. The Steelers weren't exactly a team that was created and started winning championships.

I don't know about many of you but yesterday when I saw us win our 9th game of the season, I quickly thought of 150 sack season in 02, the not being able to win two in a row in 03, in 04 getting happy that our team was 7-8 week 15 with a chance to go 8-8 for the first time ever only to be let down by losing to an even worse Cleveland Browns team, 2-14 in 05, being the laughing stock of the league in 06 for not drafting Vince or Reggie, and then the two 8-8 seasons.

I thought about those seasons and realized that noone can say we suck anymore. Noone can say we are losers.

So yes if you grew up with your team winning Super Bowls and having winning seasons, yes you can be mad. But if you are truly a fan of the Texans from day 1, you know the journey it has been to get here and you can still be proud because the future still has light, and it's shining a bit brighter than it did in the middle of this season.

We ended the season on a 4 game win streak. The longest streak in franchise history.

Norg
01-04-2010, 11:00 AM
who says all of the texans fans are happy iam sure most of the hardcore ones are disopinted on how this season went

Thorn
01-04-2010, 11:01 AM
meh.....sounds like more crying over spilt milk to me. What all of us wanted and what we got is, I'm sure, two different things. Time to move on.

Sadly, it's that time to start discussing next year again. And as repetitive and boring as that gets, it's all we got right now.

BigTimeTexanFan
01-04-2010, 11:05 AM
Here's to 4 months of draft talk :barman:

Speedy
01-04-2010, 11:12 AM
I'm not going to jump all over anyone about how they feel, happy, unhappy, whatever. For me, though 9-7 is warm and fuzzy, I'm very disappointed with the way the season turned out. Especially after a 5-3 start. So close after so long and now we're back to 0-0 and with an uncapped season coming up, there's no telling what to expect next year.

I'm just upset at what should have been, angry at our division play, disappointed that the great season Matt Schaub had will go virtually unnoticed and that Andre Johnson will not get to the big stage that is the playoffs, to showcase himself to the world.

Texecutioner
01-04-2010, 11:15 AM
I'm used to getting ripped for strong opinions and being a Dallas fan.

I'm not trying to be negative but I can't be happy about 9-7. Maybe I have a different mind set but when people were asked what to expect this year it seemed many said 10-6 or 11-5. Yet now the city seems giddy at 9-7. It seems like Groundhog Day of the "we finished strong, next year will rock" mentality. I mean it is great to hit a milestone but is it good enough? When Kubiak was hired, if someone told you the Texans would get to 9-7 after 4 years would you be happy? As I've said 50 times I think there needs to be a new standard in place. The new standard should be that of franchises like the Colts, Cowboys, Steelers, etc. Playoffs or bust. In the dance or disappointment. I still get concerned that with one game to make it the team didn't wake up until about 13 minutes left in the game. This has been a problem all year. Maybe it all gets fixed. I just don't like celebrating ok...which is 9-7

Don't get mad at me.....just the way I see it.

Agree with everything here.

Hervoyel
01-04-2010, 12:55 PM
You know, this is just my opinion but I don't think it's ok to not be happy today. I think it's just fine to be not grinning ear to ear and dancing in the streets but I think everyone should be more or less "happy" today. No matter what you think is best for the Texans future you should be somewhere between relieved and happy about 9-7.

I'm as sarcastic and pessimistic as ever and yet today I'm not really mad about anything in particular. Winning cures everything they say and while we just did a tiny little bit of winning this year we did win more than we lost so I feel better than I did either of the last two years. I can't deny it.

Norg
01-04-2010, 12:59 PM
THe Jets loss this year is just one that really bugs me more then anything this year for some reason

treduke
01-04-2010, 01:23 PM
i'm happy about our first winning season but i'm far from content
all 9-7 does is up the ante for kubes and his crew
so i'll wait till next year but for me it's playoffs or pinkslip

Khari
01-04-2010, 01:24 PM
if yer not happy and u know it clap your hands

Runner
01-04-2010, 01:35 PM
I'm not entirely pleased with the Texans' success at snatching nine wins from an eleven win season.

axman40
01-04-2010, 01:39 PM
My happiness does not rely on the Houston Texas, Thank God!
"Happiness is nothing more than good health and a bad memory."
by Albert Schweitzer.
:good:

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 01:39 PM
I'm not entirely pleased with the Texans' success at snatching nine wins from an eleven win season.

QFT! That's for dadgum sure!

MannyFresh
01-04-2010, 01:43 PM
I blame the two Kr/Chr-is'

Yankee_In_TX
01-04-2010, 01:47 PM
I'm used to getting ripped for strong opinions and being a Dallas fan.

I'm not trying to be negative but I can't be happy about 9-7. Maybe I have a different mind set but when people were asked what to expect this year it seemed many said 10-6 or 11-5. Yet now the city seems giddy at 9-7. It seems like Groundhog Day of the "we finished strong, next year will rock" mentality. I mean it is great to hit a milestone but is it good enough? When Kubiak was hired, if someone told you the Texans would get to 9-7 after 4 years would you be happy? As I've said 50 times I think there needs to be a new standard in place. The new standard should be that of franchises like the Colts, Cowboys, Steelers, etc. Playoffs or bust. In the dance or disappointment. I still get concerned that with one game to make it the team didn't wake up until about 13 minutes left in the game. This has been a problem all year. Maybe it all gets fixed. I just don't like celebrating ok...which is 9-7

Don't get mad at me.....just the way I see it.

I can be happy about an awesome win to finish the season. It was very exciting Sunday. The crowd was great. We finally played 4 quarters. Made for exciting football watching (well, until Cinci).

However, I did not paint my face the last 2 games (in protest) because I am pretty ticked off about 1-5 in the division. 9-7 and almost playoffs means squat when you go 1-5. Period. That's horrible.

(though I did ask the trivia question worst division finish to make the playoffs a year or two ago, I bet we would have been the answer to that question if we made it this year)

silvrhand
01-04-2010, 01:58 PM
We should rename him Mari-O-Round, the guy 99% of the time takes the wide arc rush approach. I guess if we had pressure in the middle from Amobi and Cody, he would flush the QB into their arms. All I do know, getting behind the QB on just about every play shows you can apply pressure, but eventually you have to apply pressure intelligently.

Mario needs to study some reggie white tapes of how to use outside speed and then go with the inside stiff arm and throw tackles off balance and go in for the sack..

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 02:08 PM
I can be happy about an awesome win to finish the season. It was very exciting Sunday. The crowd was great. We finally played 4 quarters. Made for exciting football watching (well, until Cinci).

However, I did not paint my face the last 2 games (in protest) because I am pretty ticked off about 1-5 in the division. 9-7 and almost playoffs means squat when you go 1-5. Period. That's horrible.

(though I did ask the trivia question worst division finish to make the playoffs a year or two ago, I bet we would have been the answer to that question if we made it this year)

I have to ask about this. I thought they played uninspired and sloppy for 3 quarters and with about 13 minutes left they woke up. I also thought, on TV, the crowd seemed to waiting for something bad to happen. Can you explain the 4 quarters part.

Battle Red Flash
01-04-2010, 02:11 PM
100% agree, my biggest dissapointment this year besides our kicker has to be Mario, he needs to step it up big time next year. We need a pass rush BADLY..

Agreed.
Need a pass rush, and the ability to run the ball again.

All my good thoughts are hampered by the thought that we only needed one more win against a division foe. Just one! ....just one darnit.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 02:13 PM
100% agree, my biggest dissapointment this year besides our kicker has to be Mario, he needs to step it up big time next year. We need a pass rush BADLY..

Mario has played with a bum shoulder for most of the season and has still managed to put up decent stats

HOU-TEX
01-04-2010, 02:29 PM
I have to ask about this. I thought they played uninspired and sloppy for 3 quarters and with about 13 minutes left they woke up. I also thought, on TV, the crowd seemed to waiting for something bad to happen. Can you explain the 4 quarters part.

Maybe sloppy, but not uninspired. Heck, the offense easily moved the ball on them all game.

1st quarter: We drove 76 yards for a TD. Went 3 and out.

2nd quarter: Went 3 and out. Drove 78 yards to NE 1 and turned it over on downs, but ended up a defensive TD by Pollard. Drove 32 yards with :45 left for Brown to miss a FG.

3rd quarter: Drove 64 yards to NE 15 for JJ's tip drill INT. Drove 53 yards for yet another missed FG by Brown.

4th quarter: Drove 69 yards for TD. Drove 66 yards for TD. Drove 28 yards for TD.

We had a chance for points on all but 2 possessions.

Defensively, I was unimpressed about half the game, primarily due to lack of a pass rush and coverage. It seemed as if we began dialing up blitzes in the later stages, but I might be mistaken.

BTW, this isn't meant to change your opinion of the game, just merely proving to myself, more or less.

worldlyman
01-04-2010, 02:53 PM
I know what you are saying, but sometimes it's the journey and not the destination that gives us the greatest satisfaction. We can be happy with progress, with incremental steps while lamenting all of the lost opportunities and issues that still exist. I don't see it as the either/or proposition that you seem to be pushing here. It seems you are proposing that those of us who are happy are satisifed. There is a difference. One can be happy at the first time accomplishments of the team - first winning record, best O, best D etc, while being ultimately dissatisifed by the wasted opportunities. This team could have had an 11-12 win season but for a few kicks and bounces... easily so, with not a stretch at all. You say your not happy with 9-7? What were your feelings with 4-12?

This is the post of the year or of any time since this franchise was born a mere seven seasons ago.

I too have been disappointed with certain games and game decisions this season and to be sooo close. But think of what our franchise has accomplished. I remember living in San Diego, watching that embarassing 42-7 beatdown by the Seattle Seahawks in 2005 on national TV.

Remember how we knew they had no chance? Remember those days of what it was like to watch our team?

Now, we know they at least they have a shot. What they did to Brady in CRUNCH time says a lot about where we're headed in the seasons to come. Yeah, playoffs would have been nice. But remember, it's HOW you respond to adversity that counts. A four game losing streak? Well, the Texans didn't fold the tents. They fought back and won their final four.

I see this Patriots game as a passing of the torch. One franchise is decline while the other is on the rise. It's a historical game for our team. A lot to be proud of.

Now, we've got a team with all sorts of offense...and a defense that's picked it up big time. This team has the foundation for success now. It's all about improving, making progress and moving forward. Learn from the mistakes but put them aside and put your best shoe forward.

worldlyman
01-04-2010, 02:55 PM
I can be happy about an awesome win to finish the season. It was very exciting Sunday. The crowd was great. We finally played 4 quarters. Made for exciting football watching (well, until Cinci).

However, I did not paint my face the last 2 games (in protest) because I am pretty ticked off about 1-5 in the division. 9-7 and almost playoffs means squat when you go 1-5. Period. That's horrible.

(though I did ask the trivia question worst division finish to make the playoffs a year or two ago, I bet we would have been the answer to that question if we made it this year)

Yeah, 1-5 in the division sucks. But it's done now. It's about reflecting and recognizing what the Texans have finally gathered on offense and defense...and moving on to next season. They've got a harder schedule and they've got to grow even more...as well as fine tune the roster at the sore spots.

Yankee_In_TX
01-04-2010, 03:00 PM
I have to ask about this. I thought they played uninspired and sloppy for 3 quarters and with about 13 minutes left they woke up. I also thought, on TV, the crowd seemed to waiting for something bad to happen. Can you explain the 4 quarters part.

See Hou-Tex for recap.I think deep down we were waiting for the big let down. Not due to they way they played Sunday, but most every other game this year.

When I say 4 quarters, I don't mean we destroyed them for four quarters, I mean we actually made some plays and had some stops. As opposed to, say, scoring all your points in one half.

The crowd was standing and cheering most of the second half, which is rare in Reliant.

They did, however, boo Kris most of them game. I pointed out to those around us - I understand your point of view, but is booing him in every field goal and PAT going to help the team win a game where we're behind?!

Yankee_In_TX
01-04-2010, 03:00 PM
Yeah, 1-5 in the division sucks. But it's done now. It's about reflecting and recognizing what the Texans have finally gathered on offense and defense...and moving on to next season. They've got a harder schedule and they've got to grow even more...as well as fine tune the roster at the sore spots.

Deja Vu all over again? I hope we improve next year, but I'm not making a 10-6 prediction.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 03:18 PM
See Hou-Tex for recap.I think deep down we were waiting for the big let down. Not due to they way they played Sunday, but most every other game this year.

When I say 4 quarters, I don't mean we destroyed them for four quarters, I mean we actually made some plays and had some stops. As opposed to, say, scoring all your points in one half.

The crowd was standing and cheering most of the second half, which is rare in Reliant.

They did, however, boo Kris most of them game. I pointed out to those around us - I understand your point of view, but is booing him in every field goal and PAT going to help the team win a game where we're behind?!

Thanks!!It is hard to gauge these things while watching on TV

Silver Oak
01-04-2010, 03:19 PM
I'm used to getting ripped for strong opinions and being a Dallas fan.

The new standard should be that of franchises like the Colts, Cowboys, Steelers, etc. Playoffs or bust. In the dance or disappointment.

in the current version of the Cowboys, it's playoffs, then bust. :texflag:

GuerillaBlack
01-04-2010, 03:32 PM
I basically laid off my bad attitude, yesterday, to not be a pain in the rear to everyohe else on this board.

I took my "Good little boy" pills and was as cheery as could be.

Once we missed two FGs and an extra point, then found ourselves down by 14, I completely banned myself from the board for the rest of the game. I still watched the game, but I never ONCE believed that we'd end up winning it. I figured someone would screw it up somehow.

And that's where I'm at on this very day for how I think 2010 will go: Somehow, there will be enough "suckage" for this team to still manage to lose enough games that we're hoping and praying on the last weekend of the season.

I just don't see the killer instinct in Kubiak, and I think head coaches in the NFL are solely responsible for that type of attitude. The great coaches have this demeanor about them that you KNOW they can ride through the gates of hell and come back clean as a whistle. Some of those do it in short bursts and are gone quickly (Dungy, for example), and some have long legacies of being great (Bilichick is a current example). Regardless of the window of time, there exists a great coach who had the right mix for the right team.

I just don't see it with Kubiak.

The abismal divisional record tells me he does not know how to overcome a known foe, even after having 24 shots at those teams. 6 divisional games a year, multiplied by 4 years, is 24 divisional games. This year's record against our KNOWN FOES was 1-6. There was no big, wide, sweeping changes made by any of those rivals.

Gary Kubiak is great at tinkering with things behind the scenes. I can't deny that he took a pretty stale offense and has really made it into a good one.

But I have zero confidence in his ability to actually find strategies that out-fox the opponent from week-to-week. And you know what? That's going to put the players in a tough situation.

Love this team, but the head coach is not good enough.

I'm the same way. I honestly believe the only reason why we had any chance at the playoffs this year is because the AFC stepped down a bit this year. Last year, the Patriots were 11-5 and didn't make the playoffs. I'm feeling it's going to be more of the same next year with Kubiak. Hopefully I'm 100% wrong though.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 03:34 PM
in the current version of the Cowboys, it's playoffs, then bust. :texflag:

Zing!:) I'll take the division title, 11 wins and the opportunity any day of the week though. I'd rather be disappoited in 2 division titles in 3 years and ***** and moan about not winning in the playoffs than not getting there and being fine with 9-7. That really is my point. Get to a point where the standard is being peeved your not in the dance or your losing in the dance. I know I have felt it for 14 years. It's a different mindset that started in the 70s.

As for the crowd...from the King...I know, he sucks

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2010/01/texans_7.html

I was shocked that the stands at Reliant were not full for such a big game. Yeah, yeah, I know media have been calling all these games for the past two months the biggest in team history, but my goodness, this was a season finale with a chance to make the playoffs.

A Patriots executive asked me at halftime what the heck was wrong with the fans, and I didn't have an answer for him.

He complimented the franchise and said he thinks it has such a great infrastructure and is primed to be among the league best for some time. He was just surprised at the crowd.

So was I.

Are you that over your Texans? I mean, yes they have been disappointments so often, but so often that you have tickets for this game and don't show up?

It's weird. Houston has showed how great a sports town it is by selling out every Texans game, but it also disappoints with showings like yesterday.

GuerillaBlack
01-04-2010, 03:55 PM
Zing!:) I'll take the division title, 11 wins and the opportunity any day of the week though. I'd rather be disappoited in 2 division titles in 3 years and ***** and moan about not winning in the playoffs than not getting there and being fine with 9-7. That really is my point. Get to a point where the standard is being peeved your not in the dance or your losing in the dance. I know I have felt it for 14 years. It's a different mindset that started in the 70s.

As for the crowd...from the King...I know, he sucks

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2010/01/texans_7.html

The 2010 will begin the playoffs or bust. It's Kubiak's last season, and hopefully the players "play" for him this season to keep his job. The Texans will start following the Rockets' approach. Playoffs or bust every year.

worldlyman
01-04-2010, 04:09 PM
Deja Vu all over again? I hope we improve next year, but I'm not making a 10-6 prediction.

That'll be my prediction for next year...barring injuries. I appreciate that Schaub stayed relatively healthy this year but they really got to fix that running game and add a piece or two to the O Line. I'm a big Schaub fan but I see him as a bit less stout than some of my other fave QBs of olde such as Fouts, Moon and Marino. But that Jax game did show something inspiring though.

Going back to last season, I still think the Texans had question marks to answer this year. So I had them at 7-9 to 9-7, depending on the flow, this year. I know we wanted 11-5 or better this year, but they were not there yet.

This season, they established their offensive stars as bonafide, albeit with a slip by Slaton but we'll see if he gets past the sophy slump. Last year was not some fluke, as I was hoping it wouldn't be. The Houston Texans are truly a legit offensive force. And they built a credible and hard-hitting defense that's starting to find a nose for the ball in crunch time.

So the Texans did answer a lot of questions this year in the affirmative. They now only have to fill in gaps and get guys like Daniels, Briesel and Pitts back to healthy form.

And they must finish their games next season with the desired results. They will.

Silver Oak
01-04-2010, 04:14 PM
Zing!:) I'll take the division title, 11 wins and the opportunity any day of the week though. I'd rather be disappoited in 2 division titles in 3 years and ***** and moan about not winning in the playoffs than not getting there and being fine with 9-7. That really is my point. Get to a point where the standard is being peeved your not in the dance or your losing in the dance. I know I have felt it for 14 years. It's a different mindset that started in the 70s.

As for the crowd...from the King...I know, he sucks

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2010/01/texans_7.html

IMO, that is where your argument stating the team settles for mediocrity gets extremely weak. Mr. McNair waited only 4 years before giving Capers his pink slip, and this year he waited until after the last game of the season and posting the franchises best record ever...before giving Kubiak his support after year 4. If anything, each time you bring this up, it only illustrates more clearly how everyone from the owner, down through the organization, want to bring titles to this city.

4 years is a pretty short leash in my opinion in which to prove or not prove your talent. Any person with some football knowledge should see this as an unsatisfied team. I could just as easily throw that out there about your beloved Cowboys and it would make as much sense.

Furthermore...the Cowboy-speak at the top of your message is easily the reason most Cowboy fans are simply thought of as *******s. Arrogance, and this underlying belief that the team is truly "America's team" is why I for one find it very easy to ridicule their every misstep.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 04:27 PM
IMO, that is where your argument stating the team settles for mediocrity gets extremely weak. He waited 4 years before giving Capers his pink slip, and this year he waited until after the last game of the season and posting the franchises best record ever...before giving Kubiak his support after year 4.

If anything, this illustrates the franchise and it's owner to win titles. 4 years is a pretty short leash in my opinion. Any person with some football knowledge should see this as an unsatisfied team.

Further...the Cowboy-speak at the top of your message is easily the reason most Cowboy fans are simply thought of as *******s. Arrogance, and this belief that the team is truly "America's team" is why I for one find it very easy to ridicule their every misstep.

You seem angry to me. Seriously. Nothing I said was arrogant. There is no mention of Americas Team. I mentioned the Steelers and Colts too in earlier thoughts. I guess sticking up for my team is bad but calling out a team as choking losers is OK? You can't have it both ways. I said I've been disappointed for 14 years..how is that arrogant?All I said is that I'd rather be in the dance and feel the failure than be happy with 9-7. It is a fact. You have a Cowboy issue you need help with. There is a legal phrase.."opening the door." It's when someone on the stand basically brings up an issue that might normally be barred from being questioned. Once they open the door, opposing counsel can hammer away at it. You opened the door with your comment. Do you see me running around here inciting Cowboy talk, talking trash or disrespecting other fans?No. Yet I see you do it constantly.

As for your Texans paragraphs. That really doesn't explain how an owner is striving for excellence over gate receipts and really doesn't explain why people are excited over 9-7 when it could be much more. Alot of it skips the Carr extension, etc.

infantrycak
01-04-2010, 04:54 PM
Deja Vu all over again? I hope we improve next year, but I'm not making a 10-6 prediction.

There is a funny phenomenon going on here. It seems like if you are disappointed with 9-7 then you have to believe as currently constructed the team was capable of more wins. So unless you feel like something is going to get worse next year it seems like you should predict what you feel they are capable of.

Side note - one of the times you see teams make big record changes is the season after they lose games close and then the next year they learn to win those close teams. We had one non-close loss this year. Classic example would be the 7-9 Carolina Panthers who lost 5 games by a TD or less and then went 11-5 the next year and on to the SB.

Silver Oak
01-04-2010, 04:55 PM
You seem angry to me. Seriously. Nothing I said was arrogant. There is no mention of Americas Team. I mentioned the Steelers and Colts too in earlier thoughts. I guess sticking up for my team is bad but calling out a team as choking losers is OK? You can't have it both ways. I said I've been disappointed for 14 years..how is that arrogant?All I said is that I'd rather be in the dance and feel the failure than be happy with 9-7. It is a fact. You have a Cowboy issue you need help with. There is a legal phrase.."opening the door." It's when someone on the stand basically brings up an issue that might normally be barred from being questioned. Once they open the door, opposing counsel can hammer away at it. You opened the door with your comment. Do you see me running around here inciting Cowboy talk, talking trash or disrespecting other fans?No. Yet I see you do it constantly.

As for your Texans paragraphs. That really doesn't explain how an owner is striving for excellence over gate receipts and really doesn't explain why people are excited over 9-7 when it could be much more. Alot of it skips the Carr extension, etc.

angry? me? you're barking up the wrong tree Bubba. :kitten:

You glossed over the meat of my post and instead opted to defend your beloved Cowboys. Take a deep breath, calm down a little, and try addressing my valid points regarding Mr. McNair and his desire to win, which I believe is as much, if not more as the Cowboys owner. Now maybe you have access to meetings with McNair and Rick Smith where they glibly discuss raising ticket prices, placing an inferior product on the field, and raping the fans of Houston in the process. If so...please share with us the notes of these meetings as I would be curious to read them.

Now, back to Cowboy stuff. Yeah, I hate them, always have, always will. Respected some of the players, respected Landry as well, but the overwhelming majority of their fans come across as arrogant jerks who seem to imply they personally had a stake in the teams Super Bowl trophies and records, and much like yourself, are all too eager to hold that team up as the roadmap by which all others should copy. Quite frankly Frog, I ain't gonna stop with the anti-Cowboy stuff, so if it's too tough for you to read...sorry? I will however keep it in a different section so as to not irritate you.

GuerillaBlack
01-04-2010, 04:55 PM
There is a funny phenomenon going on here. It seems like if you are disappointed with 9-7 then you have to believe as currently constructed the team was capable of more wins. So unless you feel like something is going to get worse next year it seems like you should predict what you feel they are capable of.

Side note - one of the times you see teams make big record changes is the season after they lose games close and then the next year they learn to win those close teams. We had one non-close loss this year. Classic example would be the 7-9 Carolina Panthers who lost 5 games by a TD or less and then went 11-5 the next year and on to the SB.

Let's all hope that is us next year.

DexmanC
01-04-2010, 04:56 PM
Why is McNair being nailed for using injuries as an excuse? Think where we might be today if OD ALONE had not been injured. Our entire offense suffered due to injuries and that's a FACT, not an excuse! backups are called BACKUPs for a reason, they are not good enough to be STARTERS!! Moats and Foster stepped it up, but, it took some time, and we ran out of time.

Kubiak continuing to play CB is an excuse, or KB shanking easy kicks, that's an excuse, but, injuries are NOT excuses, they are a hard reality.

Am I happy? Of course not! I want MORE Texan football, and don't want to wait until Sept to get it. BUT, since I have my doubts our team is ready for a playoff run anyway, I would rather them be right where they are, healing old injuries, and getting ready for 2010. JMO

The OD excuse, in my opinion has been WAAYYY overblown. If you
remember, Week 1, our offense couldn't move the ball AT ALL against
the Jets. We still had OD, Brisiel, Slaton, AND Pitts. Offensively, we
three-and-outed damn near the whole game. Kubiak should've schemed
a way to use Dreessen or Casey much earlier than the final two games
of the regular season.

The Jets, by the way, lost their best defensive player, Kris Jenkins, in the same game
for the SEASON, yet they found away to become the #1 overall defense
without him. If Mark Sanchez would've handed the ball off more, with
his dominant defense, you're talking about the Jets having a 12 win season.

The Texans are the main reason they didn't make the playoffs. I'm just
sick of the new excuses every year. 2010, it's playoffs or clean house.

Silver Oak
01-04-2010, 04:59 PM
Let's all hope that is us next year.

I would hope that people wait for the team to take shape by free agency,the draft, and training camp before placing unattainable goals on them and then calling for heads to roll when those goals are not met.

euro-Texan
01-04-2010, 05:04 PM
i'm happy about our first winning season but i'm far from content
all 9-7 does is up the ante for kubes and his crew
so i'll wait till next year but for me it's playoffs or pinkslip

I think 2010 is a reasonable season to say this. I think the team needed to get past some loser demons first and we did this year. I'll be happy with a 10-5 season next year. I hope it's enough for the playoffs.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 05:21 PM
angry? me? you're barking up the wrong tree Bubba. :kitten:

You glossed over the meat of my post and instead opted to defend your beloved Cowboys. Take a deep breath, calm down a little, and try addressing my valid points regarding Mr. McNair and his desire to win, which I believe is as much, if not more as the Cowboys owner. Now maybe you have access to meetings with McNair and Rick Smith where they glibly discuss raising ticket prices, placing an inferior product on the field, and raping the fans of Houston in the process. If so...please share with us the notes of these meetings as I would be curious to read them.

Now, back to Cowboy stuff. Yeah, I hate them, always have, always will. Respected some of the players, respected Landry as well, but the overwhelming majority of their fans come across as arrogant jerks who seem to imply they personally had a stake in the teams Super Bowl trophies and records, and much like yourself, are all too eager to hold that team up as the roadmap by which all others should copy. Quite frankly Frog, I ain't gonna stop with the anti-Cowboy stuff, so if it's too tough for you to read...sorry? I will however keep it in a different section so as to not irritate you.

Again, where have I ever acted like this and when have I ever said this?Find it. You can't. Those who have talked to me here over the years have seen me constantly rip JJ and how he tries to play GM. I've ripped them for the last 14 years, etc. I'm not sure what you are reading. I don't hold them to be the gold standard. All I know is that in my 35 years of fandom of them, I never took 9-7 or less and thought..."prety good." AS I SAID, I bet Steeler fan feels the same way. Probably Colt and Pats fans after the last decade. There is nothing arrogant with stating that I think this organization needs a new standard....playoffs or bust. I find the whole Cowboy hate thing pretty silly and from what I've read from your fellow fans, many others think the same way. Did you see me in the NFL section yesterday jumping up and down and talking crap about winning the division?No. I kept it in the game thread and we discussed what might happen. You think I'm an arrogant fan for no reason at all..except I'm a Cowboy fan. You hate the arrogance of some you say. Yet you are no better running around making fun of them and hoping they lose while talking noise. You just don't see that you aren't any better than the people you proport to hate

As for the Texans. I have my opinion that it is their standard because right now they are expressing that they are happy with a 9-7 season after 8 years. McNair stated it and so did Schaub. I get that it is historical but it isn't something to be celebrating. If anything they should be more peeved that they were 9-7 and could have been much better. I think watching a guy string together 3 seasons that ends up being 1 game above .500 shows me where their head is at. That is JMO. I think McNair's management style...which at times has seemed to value how he feels for someone over results.....Carr and Kubes....can be a hinderance. I tghink 4 years in the NFL is a lifetime and obviously they need a 5th. I just found it ironic that Bob said he thought changing coaches would ruin the continuity they have built yet the Jets were 9-7 last year with talent, got a new coach, threw in a rookie QB and beat the Texans and are in the playoffs at 9-7 again. I think next year should be make or break....actually I thought this year was but it changes around the club when things don't go as planned. I think they don't get enough credit for the talent on the team and people undervalue them...thus thinking they had a perfect shot this year.

playa465
01-04-2010, 05:39 PM
As someone mentioned before I think most of us are not satisfied with the 9-7 record but are happy that we finally have a winning season. That is very important because so much of this game is mental. I would hope that the team now realizes that they can be winners and play/coach like winners. The silly mistakes and bad individual/head coaching performances killed us at times this year. Kubiak better start working on next season right now. We still struggle against physical defenses and teams will not just sit back and not try to counter what we have been successful at. That's what the elite teams do they stayed prepared and work hard at it so they can sustain success over several years. From Kubiak, I expect better in game management (time, adjustments etc.). From the players; every game I expect 4 quarters of 100% effort without dumb mistakes (this is not a coach's fault). We as fans are always gonna have different opinions from each other, some think we need a coaching change, some think its personnel and some think its both. The key here is that we are ALL fans and while we never accept losing or mediocrity, we ALL agree that its better to have a team to discuss than not have a team at all.

Silver Oak
01-04-2010, 05:49 PM
As for the Texans. I have my opinion that it is their standard because right now they are expressing that they are happy with a 9-7 season after 8 years. McNair stated it and so did Schaub. I get that it is historical but it isn't something to be celebrating. If anything they should be more peeved that they were 9-7 and could have been much better. I think watching a guy string together 3 seasons that ends up being 1 game above .500 shows me where their head is at. That is JMO. I think McNair's management style...which at times has seemed to value how he feels for someone over results.....Carr and Kubes....can be a hinderance. I tghink 4 years in the NFL is a lifetime and obviously they need a 5th. I just found it ironic that Bob said he thought changing coaches would ruin the continuity they have built yet the Jets were 9-7 last year with talent, got a new coach, threw in a rookie QB and beat the Texans and are in the playoffs at 9-7 again. I think next year should be make or break....actually I thought this year was but it changes around the club when things don't go as planned. I think they don't get enough credit for the talent on the team and people undervalue them...thus thinking they had a perfect shot this year.

Truly, what did you want them to do, run wildly around the locker room firing people because they didn't win the division??? I would think every player at the NFL level desires to excel and win, and insinuating that the players and coaches are somehow content with anything less than championships is disrepectfula dn off target. 4 years is a lifetime, if the team isn't showing signs of being on the correct path, but Kubiak and Smith have shown they know the correct path, and have the team on that path.

9 teams changed coaches last season...only two showed progress, yet you pull out one of those two to hold up as your indefensible proof. I have to laugh...sorry.

I won't even bring up the Cowboys again as you are obviously too thin skinned and emotionally vested to carry on a debate without becoming angry.

Hervoyel
01-04-2010, 06:53 PM
I would hope that people wait for the team to take shape by free agency,the draft, and training camp before placing unattainable goals on them and then calling for heads to roll when those goals are not met.

Never too soon to start laying the groundwork for 2010 I see.

Khari
01-04-2010, 06:56 PM
I would hope that people wait for the team to take shape by free agency,the draft, and training camp before placing unattainable goals on them and then calling for heads to roll when those goals are not met.

unattainable? we should of won more than 9 games this year....

2slik4u
01-04-2010, 07:10 PM
100% agree, my biggest dissapointment this year besides our kicker has to be Mario, he needs to step it up big time next year. We need a pass rush BADLY..

I see what your saying on the pass rush issue but Mario quietly put up 9 sacks. Thats better than a lot of other teams. I think our issue with the pass rush lies in the interior D-line. Okoye is officially a bust in my book. Zgonina contributes but the guy is approaching 87 years old. We have a lot of plug in play type guys but we need a Casey Hampton, Haynesworth fat boy type that just requires extra attention every play. Im satisfied with Mario on one side and Barwin/Smith on the other. We need a stud in the middle. Damn Okoye.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 07:13 PM
I see what your saying on the pass rush issue but Mario quietly put up 9 sacks. Thats better than a lot of other teams. I think our issue with the pass rush lies in the interior D-line. Okoye is officially a bust in my book. Zgonina contributes but the guy is approaching 87 years old. We have a lot of plug in play type guys but we need a Casey Hampton, Haynesworth fat boy type that just requires extra attention every play. Im satisfied with Mario on one side and Barwin/Smith on the other. We need a stud in the middle. Damn Okoye.

In this draft i dont see that DT besides suh or mccoy, and unless we trade up their is not a chance we are getting them. Okoye has been very disappointing but he is still young and i see the potential in him. I would love to see them get that DT but unless they sign one in the FA i dont see them getting one

2slik4u
01-04-2010, 07:30 PM
In this draft i dont see that DT besides suh or mccoy, and unless we trade up their is not a chance we are getting them. Okoye has been very disappointing but he is still young and i see the potential in him. I would love to see them get that DT but unless they sign one in the FA i dont see them getting one

I completely agree with you. Theres no way we will get a sure fire hit in the first round. I heard that DT is the hardest position to predict especially in the first round. I would like McNair to open up the check book a bit and get someone good. My point was that Mario isnt the problem on the D-line nor is the other side. The problem is in the middle.

2slik4u
01-04-2010, 07:31 PM
In this draft i dont see that DT besides suh or mccoy, and unless we trade up their is not a chance we are getting them. Okoye has been very disappointing but he is still young and i see the potential in him. I would love to see them get that DT but unless they sign one in the FA i dont see them getting one

What about Terrance Cody?

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 07:32 PM
I completely agree with you. Theres no way we will get a sure fire hit in the first round. I heard that DT is the hardest position to predict especially in the first round. I would like McNair to open up the check book a bit and get someone good. My point was that Mario isnt the problem on the D-line nor is the other side. The problem is in the middle.

Yea i completely agree with you. Mario also played with a bum shoulder for part of the year and still put up a quiet 8.5 sacks. If he was healthy and had some help from the middle he wouldve put up some insane stats

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 07:35 PM
What about Terrance Cody?

I dont know how good mount cody will be as an nfl player. What kind of shape is he in? Will he be able to contribute right away? I would rather get a fs or cb with our first round pick because i think they can help right away. Does anyone know much about Brian Price from UCLA. I have heard that he is a good player but dont know much about him. He could fall to us at 19/20 and possibly be our pick.

Ndevine7
01-04-2010, 07:39 PM
Vince Oghobaase out of duke is a possible 3rd to 4th round pick who is a good dt had a rough season this year but has a lot of potential

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 09:42 PM
Truly, what did you want them to do, run wildly around the locker room firing people because they didn't win the division??? I would think every player at the NFL level desires to excel and win, and insinuating that the players and coaches are somehow content with anything less than championships is disrepectfula dn off target. 4 years is a lifetime, if the team isn't showing signs of being on the correct path, but Kubiak and Smith have shown they know the correct path, and have the team on that path.
9 teams changed coaches last season...only two showed progress, yet you pull out one of those two to hold up as your indefensible proof. I have to laugh...sorry.

I won't even bring up the Cowboys again as you are obviously too thin skinned and emotionally vested to carry on a debate without becoming angry.

Says who?Since when does 8-8, 8-8 and 9-7 show progress and that a team knows what they are doing when each of those years you have allegedly had more talent, and a better offense and a better defense. If anything it is an indictment on the staff that you didn't get more out of them. Your statement is nothing but your own b.s.

So it is OK to show teams that haven't made progress after one year of a coaching change but it is ok to accept a 1 game progression over 3 years? You really like to dig your own grave.

I'm the thin skinned one? You are the one obsessed over a team you don't like and constantly post about because their fans bother you at times. Really?You do a great job of arguing for me. Please stop.

Pantherstang84
01-04-2010, 10:01 PM
Again, where have I ever acted like this and when have I ever said this?Find it. You can't. Those who have talked to me here over the years have seen me constantly rip JJ and how he tries to play GM. I've ripped them for the last 14 years, etc. I'm not sure what you are reading. I don't hold them to be the gold standard. All I know is that in my 35 years of fandom of them, I never took 9-7 or less and thought..."prety good." AS I SAID, I bet Steeler fan feels the same way. Probably Colt and Pats fans after the last decade. There is nothing arrogant with stating that I think this organization needs a new standard....playoffs or bust. I find the whole Cowboy hate thing pretty silly and from what I've read from your fellow fans, many others think the same way. Did you see me in the NFL section yesterday jumping up and down and talking crap about winning the division?No. I kept it in the game thread and we discussed what might happen. You think I'm an arrogant fan for no reason at all..except I'm a Cowboy fan. You hate the arrogance of some you say. Yet you are no better running around making fun of them and hoping they lose while talking noise. You just don't see that you aren't any better than the people you proport to hate

As for the Texans. I have my opinion that it is their standard because right now they are expressing that they are happy with a 9-7 season after 8 years. McNair stated it and so did Schaub. I get that it is historical but it isn't something to be celebrating. If anything they should be more peeved that they were 9-7 and could have been much better. I think watching a guy string together 3 seasons that ends up being 1 game above .500 shows me where their head is at. That is JMO. I think McNair's management style...which at times has seemed to value how he feels for someone over results.....Carr and Kubes....can be a hinderance. I tghink 4 years in the NFL is a lifetime and obviously they need a 5th. I just found it ironic that Bob said he thought changing coaches would ruin the continuity they have built yet the Jets were 9-7 last year with talent, got a new coach, threw in a rookie QB and beat the Texans and are in the playoffs at 9-7 again. I think next year should be make or break....actually I thought this year was but it changes around the club when things don't go as planned. I think they don't get enough credit for the talent on the team and people undervalue them...thus thinking they had a perfect shot this year.

You know I have seen this spouted on this board several times the last 2 days and it is such an epic fail. Do you really want to use the NY Jets as your shining example for your argument? If you do, I have three words for you...
Curtis Freaking Painter!

The Jets were given their last 2 games. No Curtis Painter and the Texans are in the playoffs based on yesterday's results and you would probably still be bitching. Did the Texans give a couple of games away this year? Absolutely. but they were a Curtis Painter staying on the bench away from the playoffs. Give it a rest. The constant sniping and harping is getting pretty old around here.

The 2009 Houston Texans season is over. Time to move on and quit whining.

thunderkyss
01-04-2010, 10:10 PM
I'm sure you won't find one fan who isn't disappointed that we didn't get into the play-offs. You won't find one fan who wouldn't have preferred to have won in Jacksonville or Arizona. Very winnable games. then that Indy, Tennessee, Indy, Jacksonville stretch..... unacceptable not to have won one of those games. All very winnable games.

I bet every fan is upset that we looked pathetic & unprepared on opening day against the Jets.

The only difference between our fans, is how much of the "blame" we associate with Kubiak.


But 9-7 is something else, that stands on it's own, & we're giddy about that for another reason, totally unrelated to all the other drama surrounding it.

houstonspartan
01-04-2010, 10:11 PM
You know I have seen this spouted on this board several times the last 2 days and it is such an epic fail. Do you really want to use the NY Jets as your shining example for your argument? If you do, I have three words for you...
Curtis Freaking Painter!

The Jets were given their last 2 games. No Curtis Painter and the Texans are in the playoffs based on yesterday's results and you would probably still be bitching. Did the Texans give a couple of games away this year? Absolutely. but they were a Curtis Painter staying on the bench away from the playoffs. Give it a rest. The constant sniping and harping is getting pretty old around here.

The 2009 Houston Texans season is over. Time to move on and quit whining.

Good point, but, I think what Frog was trying to say was that we should be past crossing our fingers and waiting for other teams' results. He's right.

Agree with you, though, about the Jets: They are frauds. Totally overrated this year.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2010, 10:12 PM
I'm sure you won't find one fan who isn't disappointed that we didn't get into the play-offs. You won't find one fan who wouldn't have preferred to have won in Jacksonville or Arizona. Very winnable games. then that Indy, Tennessee, Indy, Jacksonville stretch..... unacceptable not to have won one of those games. All very winnable games.

I bet every fan is upset that we looked pathetic & unprepared on opening day against the Jets.

The only difference between our fans, is how much of the "blame" we associate with Kubiak.

But 9-7 is something else, that stands on it's own, & we're giddy about that for another reason, totally unrelated to all the other drama surrounding it.

Really nice post. As for the bolded. This thread wasn't supposed to be a Kubes thread. Just saying that more should be expected.

houstonspartan
01-04-2010, 10:14 PM
I'm sure you won't find one fan who isn't disappointed that we didn't get into the play-offs. You won't find one fan who wouldn't have preferred to have won in Jacksonville or Arizona. Very winnable games. then that Indy, Tennessee, Indy, Jacksonville stretch..... unacceptable not to have won one of those games. All very winnable games.

I bet every fan is upset that we looked pathetic & unprepared on opening day against the Jets.

The only difference between our fans, is how much of the "blame" we associate with Kubiak.


But 9-7 is something else, that stands on it's own, & we're giddy about that for another reason, totally unrelated to all the other drama surrounding it.

Well said, and I agree.

We're also all - every single one of us - giddy about the potential of our additions this year: Brian Cushing and Bernard Pollard. These two guys are simply amazing.

We can all agree on that.
I hope. lol.

Pantherstang84
01-04-2010, 10:28 PM
Good point, but, I think what Frog was trying to say was that we should be past crossing our fingers and waiting for other teams' results. He's right.

Agree with you, though, about the Jets: They are frauds. Totally overrated this year.

I don't disagree with that either. However, like I said the Jets "taking care of business" argument is so pathetic; well, I don't have anymore words to describe it. The Ravens took care of their business, the Jets are the luckiest team in the NFL.

thunderkyss
01-04-2010, 10:45 PM
Well that is one reason I wrote this. I remember people having this conversation before last season. "No more expansion, time to step up." Yet it didn't happen again. I also was disappointed to see McNair talk about how great it was because of "injuries, etc." I hate the excuses.

You know, we can say this, or we can say that... doesn't make either true. & whether we want to believe it or not, this was an expansion team.

I agree, 8 years is too long to carry that moniker... but that's what they were. The best Franchise team ever..... maybe, but before yesterday, they were an expansion team.

Yesterday, our leaders stepped up their game, & the team responded. I think the crowed had a lot to do with it in the 4th Qtr. If you weren't there, I don't think you could possibly understand. We stepped it up for them, & they stepped it up for us.

They aren't an expansion team anymore, but they didn't outgrow that until yesterday in the 4th Qtr.

GNTLEWOLF
01-04-2010, 10:59 PM
I'm used to getting ripped for strong opinions and being a Dallas fan.

I'm not trying to be negative but I can't be happy about 9-7. Maybe I have a different mind set but when people were asked what to expect this year it seemed many said 10-6 or 11-5. Yet now the city seems giddy at 9-7. It seems like Groundhog Day of the "we finished strong, next year will rock" mentality. I mean it is great to hit a milestone but is it good enough? When Kubiak was hired, if someone told you the Texans would get to 9-7 after 4 years would you be happy? As I've said 50 times I think there needs to be a new standard in place. The new standard should be that of franchises like the Colts, Cowboys, Steelers, etc. Playoffs or bust. In the dance or disappointment. I still get concerned that with one game to make it the team didn't wake up until about 13 minutes left in the game. This has been a problem all year. Maybe it all gets fixed. I just don't like celebrating ok...which is 9-7

Don't get mad at me.....just the way I see it.
I couldn't agree more with your statement. Except, unlike you I grew up as a Green Bay Packer fan in the heart of Cowboy country. I remember all the years that the pokes could not "win the big one", While my Packers semed to be perrienial winners. The coach, Lombardi( is there really anybody else who can be called "the coach"?) always said, "winning is not everything, it is the only thing." A decade later the Cowboys learned how to be champions every year. Excellence and victory was all that made those teams happy. 9-7 would have been considered a failure. Now, we have this team in Houston that is ecstatic over 9-7....It isn't losing, it is ONE game over .500( BTW that is still mediocre). But everyone acts like it is the superbowl. Now, before anyof you self-appointed enforcers and definers of Houston Texans fandom tell me to leave, I do want to make it clear that I am glad this team won. I am a fan. I just believe that with the talent on this team and the schedule this year that this team should have done much better. Looks like coaching to me, but that is a dead horse. Like the rest of you, I will be back next year( the Texans Motto) and pulling hard for this team and Kubiak to win. I am not optimistic as the schedule next year will be very brutal and I haven't really seen anything that tells me that this team can win under those circumstances, until the season is shot. 9-7 ...happy..no way...more like..."so what!" Go Texans!